The One With Snooze Clues and Legal Blues

In this episode of Sip, Spill & Solve, we pull back the covers on the bizarre case of the Sleeping Bandit—a criminal who napped mid-heist—and dive into Part 1 of the chilling disappearance of Pennsylvania DA Ray Gricar. Was it foul play, a planned escape, or something stranger? Pour a glass and join us for the clues, the chaos, and a couple of wild theories.

Keywords

true crime, podcast, wine, burglary, disappearance, mystery, investigation, Pennsylvania, Ray Gricar, Mark Smith


Summary

In this episode of Sip, Spill, and Solve, the hosts delve into two intriguing stories: the comedic tale of a burglar who fell asleep on the job and the mysterious disappearance of Pennsylvania district attorney Ray Gricar. The conversation flows from light-hearted banter about wine to serious discussions about crime and unsolved mysteries, exploring various theories and speculations surrounding Gricar's case.


Takeaways

The podcast combines true crime with humor and wine.
Mark Smith, the sleepy burglar, fell asleep while robbing a house.
Ray Gricar's disappearance remains one of Pennsylvania's most famous mysteries.
Gricar's car was found locked near the Susquehanna River.
The hard drive from Gricar's laptop was removed before it was found.
There are multiple theories about Gricar's disappearance, including suicide and witness protection.
The hosts express a desire to investigate Gricar's case further.
The case is complex with many layers and unanswered questions.
Gricar was known to have been a district attorney involved in high-profile cases.
The episode ends with a teaser for future discussions on the case.


Titles

Naptime Disappearing DAs
The Sleepy Bandit: A Comedic Crime


Sound bites

"This case gives me chills."
"We should solve this one."
"The hard drive was removed from the laptop."


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Sip, Spill, and Solve
02:28 The Sleepy Bandit: A Hilarious Burglary
07:00 The Mysterious Disappearance of Ray Grecar
29:03 Conclusions and Future Investigations
31:15 New Chapter

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Transcript

Karen (00:02)
Hi there, welcome back to Sip, Spill, and Solve, the podcast where we pair true crime with wine and highly questionable opinions. We're two girls, one bottle, and we have zero qualifications. That's right. And today is episode six. It is for anyone who's ever needed a nap.

or wanted to disappear entirely. right, because we're talking about a burglar who literally fell asleep on the job and a Pennsylvania district attorney who walked away and never came back.

today what we're drinking, Jeannie, is we're drinking Clover Hill, a Shamborson. That's a big word for girls that have already had a whole bottle of wine. Because this is our second episode we're recording, so we always have to give a disclaimer. Yes. That's our disclaimer for today. So Clover Hill Winery is in Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania. Pretty area. Yep. And this is one of the few Pennsylvania wineries that actually has a dry wine.

Okay. Okay. That's typically we find the sweet wines, which I know are your favorite. But this one, okay, is light body and it's a dry aged in oak with hints of cherry and raspberry. Yes. Let's just talk about, can we just talk about the oak? Yeah. I always talk about the oak. Yeah, we do because I'm also not a, oak is so overpowering. I think. When you do the oak and like,

What possess them to do oak? Like why couldn't they have not done like cherry or a pine? Why oak? I'm sure there's a reason. There has to be. There's a very educated reason. Yeah, we'll have to Google it or something. But all I taste is like grapes and a branch.

I'm just saying. I taste that branch pretty good. I mean it's good if you like oak-y wines. This is good and Clover Hill you have amazingly good wines. They do. We're not dissing the wine. But maybe also because we just came off of that sweet wine in episode five. That maybe. But when you sniff it, because that's what you're supposed to do, like sniff and swirl, but I still smell. I still smell.

branch. The pine needles. I smell the oak. No, there's no pine needles in oak. I know. It's good. And like I said, we will drink the whole bottle. Yeah. So take that with a grain of salt. But it's a very lovely. It is. is. Anyway, cheers. And I hope that you guys all grab a bottle and drink along with us. let's see, where else are we going?

I'm criminal the wine wine and what wth yes what the hell this one is about Mark Smith a man with a dream and apparently a pillow okay oh do you want to the article yeah why don't you read the article okay so this is called title the sleepy bandit mark smith it happened in Indiana

and he broke into a home and he stole a lot of valuables and he did the unthinkable. He climbed into the homeowner's bed and fell asleep. He even drifted off holding the TV remote. my. When the homeowner returned, they found him snoring peacefully. Police were called and officers discovered him still asleep. Smith was arrested on burglary.

I can't say the word when she has even when she's sober I can't can't caught in your it and you can't see what you're So it's the kind of crime that's equal parts be bewildering

hilarious the only sleepover no one invited him to I like that okay that's not speak like like Goldilocks yeah that's what made me totally yeah totally that yeah you come home and you find somebody in your bed and like when he said like like he stole their valuables like where did he put them yeah at the foot of the bed

Or probably, yeah, maybe in the backpack. I don't know. did he try other beds? And then he just found like, know, this one's too soft and this one's just right. I don't even know. like, can you imagine like walking into your house and finding somebody snoring in your bed? Yeah, a stranger. And I picture it. Don't ask me why with this one.

I picture, you know the old timey burglars that had like, they showed that like with the black and white striped shirts and like the bandit, like the burglar bandit. I picture you coming home and you're like this guy with his like, I don't know. And then the funny thing is too, it's a typical man, had the remote control in his hand. Yeah, you know, yeah, we go back to that.

I'm so exhausted from robbing this. I'm just gonna watch a little but maybe maybe his favorite football team was on that I Just can't I cannot figure like but but I this is like I can like relate to his energy It's like it's like it's like robbery, but you make it self-care. yeah All in one all the way in the back. Yeah, got a bubble bath Dirty he's a dirty bandit

And yeah, he was arrested for charges, but then also maybe being too cozy was another. had to be a charge. And I like the visual like this man said, like, yeah, I'll steal your flat screen, first I need a nap. Yes, I need a nap. I love it. It cracks me up. love it. And to his defense, though, was exhausting. the law is a pain. says it's tiring. He had to think about it, plan it. I know. Even talking about it sometimes, I get tired. Yeah.

I'm kind of like ready for a nap right now. To be completely honest. Maybe he was drinking Clover Hill. Maybe, yes. Because wine can make you sleepy. yes. Does it make you sleepy? It does. does. It does not make me It doesn't? No. And if I drink it at night time, especially red, it gives me like heart palpitations. Ooh. But yet I'll still drink it.

Why? Why do we do the things that we regret but yet continue to do them? Over and over again. That's why I moved to hard liquor. Okay. I don't get that with vodka or gin, but I get that with red wine. Really? I have to drink it during the day. I can't drink it at any time. No, see I don't have that. But again, I'm not a red wine.

for um you know so maybe you're smarter maybe that's why you could be smarter it doesn't give me work i just keep drinking it well yeah i don't know but there's a lot of but it gets heart palpitations i do yeah you know so i don't know what it is about now is it palpitations i've had people say red wine gives them heartburn no i don't have a heart i do get heart palpitations from it so i must be and i think it depends on the like if i'm drinking this is

like a rabbit hole kind of thing. But if I'm drinking a European wine, red wine, I do not get it as much as the American. And I think it's just because of the tannins. So I need to just buy expensive bougie European wines. There you go. anyway, we digress. So let's move on to our uncorked

segment.

This is a good one and now this is one that strikes very close to home for me. Yes. Yes. This is from my stomping grounds and we may I'm pretty sure this is gonna be segment one. Yeah. Because this is deep. Yeah. I think first of all this case gives me chills and it's not just a missing person story. Yeah. It's wrapped

on politics and secrets and what could have been. It's a lot wrapped in to this episode. agree. And what we're talking about is disappearance of Ray Grecar. Pennsylvania. He was a district attorney for Center County, Pennsylvania for like 20 years, something like that. He was a huge. I think that's how long he was. It was a long time. was. And this is one of the most famous missing persons.

Unsolved mysteries that's like out there like still today. So it's kind of crazy because I would love to solve this one Yeah, like I think you and I should solve this one. We talked Yeah last up last episode when we said that we just kind of like report the facts, right? But don't go digging. I this one. I feel like I'd like to go digging But yet there's people who've gone digging that it's gotten weird. It's little bit. Yeah, that's why we think this

this needs to be two episodes. we'll give you, let's give you the background of this case in case you're not familiar with it, which you may not be familiar with it. so, yeah. Okay. In 2005, the district attorney went for a drive

that was an out of the ordinary. He had a Mini Cooper. Yes, he loved. Yes, he loved taking drives, but he decided to play hooky. He even said to his girlfriend, Patty for Nicola, that he was going to play hooky that day. And she also worked for the courthouse. So they worked together. And I guess that wasn't unusual for him.

He had been working really, really hard. And he deserved a day to play hook. So, yes, so he drove to this area and his car was found in a parking lot near the Susquehanna River. Okay, can I just stop you for second? Only because all these, we listen to lot of podcasts, you know what mean, to get other people's takes on things like that. And everybody says, Susquehanna, like, it's Susquehanna.

And I'm not from this area. You said it right. You said Susquehanna. That is because on podcast I heard people say they even call it Hancock. So have you heard that Susquehanna Hanock River? No. I've heard that on podcast. And every time I heard it I'm like cringe worthy. Like it's Susquehanna. It's a Susquehanna River. We're saying it right. Y'all saying it wrong.

So it's the Lewisburg, is that the area we're talking? Yep, We drove from Center County, which that is where Penn State And we're explaining to you, yeah, near Penn State. yeah. And then he drove, he decided to take a drive, which wasn't unusual for him, like you said, to go to this antique mall. Yes. That's called the Street of Shops. Yes. Which is right by Susquehanna River. Like it sits almost beside it. Which is...

very pretty area too. it's beautiful. anyone hasn't been, it's very pretty. Can you hit me with a little bit of wine, Jean? She's like the pourer here. I am the pourer. Do you hear that? What a beautiful sound. anyway, here we go. yeah, it's a pretty area, but nothing was out of the ordinary so far. No, he called his, he had called Patty at around 11.

15, 11, 30, and just said, hey, I'm going to go out for a drive. you, I'm not going be here to take care of the dog. Because she thought he was going to be home to take care of the dog. so he did. Typical though. Let her know. Even though, I mean, I could tell this later, but he had been known, he had disappeared once before. He left, think he and his, he's been married two times. He was married two times and Patty was his live-in girlfriend.

I think he lived in with her. And so at one time, I believe when he was married to his second wife, I think they had a fight or whatever. And he like walked out. Now he's a district attorney. Right. So you don't just walk away. Walk away. You what mean? And so here he went to a Cleveland Indians game. So drove the whole way out to Ohio. Didn't tell anybody what he was doing. I think it was a doubleheader and came back the next day. Well, everybody was frantic, like looking for him, like police were looking for him.

and he came back rather sheepishly. You know, when he came back, didn't think people would be that concerned and had promised to never do that again. Okay. Right. So, so the fact that he did call Patty and say, I'm going for this drive was proof that he wasn't just, I think, like running away now, but continue. But, well, yeah, so we'll get into the deep dives. anyway, so his car was found.

And well, we have to say this, though. So he doesn't come home. Like the reason that was found was it was a day later. Yeah. He never came out. Yeah. It's like he Patty like he wasn't home when she got off work at five. So that was a bit, you know, well, maybe he's still out. Then he comes in as the hours tick by. She starts to get and she keeps texting him and it goes directly to voice. Yes. Yes. So he

keep going back to like drunk history. This is like wine, whatever. So if we keep going back and forth, that's just because. so she, so then she gets concerned, right? So then because he is a district attorney, they are all concerned and they start looking for him. They can't find him. And then the next day is when they find his car. found his car by the river and his cell phone was in the car, but his laptop was missing.

And now that was later found in the river too. That's very odd because the hard drive was removed. They eventually found the hard drive, but that was when they found the laptop, no hard drive. Little bit odd. Why would you take that out? Now he also was known as a womanizer. And I had

I You heard that. heard that. I heard he was a womanizer and he also had cases dealing with drugs. Of course, district DA and some sketchy characters, let's just say. Okay, they found his car. Let's just back up a second. So they found his car. It was locked, right? When they opened it up. So it's found in the street of shops. I have to say this. have to give this the

So the street of shops used to be, it was in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania. And that is like an antique mall, basically. And I go there all the time. Like whenever I go to visit my parents, I'm always going up there. I've never been there. Yeah. we thought, wait, that's fun. We call it SOS, the street of shops. We're going to SOS, whatever. So his car was parked there. It wouldn't have been unusual because it was parking lot. You know I mean?

Anyway, but when they did find his car and they opened it up, it smelled like smoke. Yeah. And he was a non smoker like an avid non smoker. Nobody smoked in his precious little car. So they found ashes on the outside around the car and some ash inside his passenger seat. the passenger side. Yeah. Which their thing is that somebody might have been like leaning in the wind through the window and smoking. Yeah.

Still odd. Still very odd. Still odd. Right. And then he was nowhere to be found. No. No. And they even brought, eventually, in dogs, the his scent was in the car, but nowhere else. No. And again, that laptop, did eventually found the laptop in the river, but it did not, at that point, it did not have the hard drive. Now, the hard drive did turn up, but not, it took a while. Right.

keep going backwards, sorry, back forth, back forth. He has Google searches on how to remove your... a hard drive. Yeah. But that was after, you know, now it's turned into a complete investigation. Right. So because he hasn't been found for what, 48 hours. Right. And I mean... now theories are swirling. Yes. Like where is he?

Yes. And his brother, mental illness does run in the family. His brother was bipolar. His brother went out, committed suicide to or had gone for a drive to kind of same situation. He jumped off a bridge. Yes. And now SOS is beside a bridge. it's it's almost Route 45. I think it's 45 that goes and Bucknell University is there. So Bucknell University is like right around the corner. And

there's a bridge there. And so then there's supposition because his brother committed suicide and evidently Ray had been like tired. He had been sleeping a lot that type of thing. They're just like, well, maybe he just committed suicide. Yes. However, as a native of that area, you would jump off that bridge, you would not die. It's not that high. I mean, it's not that high of a bridge. And I guess the water was flowing.

But they never found a body. I don't think he was so distraught about the fact that what his brother did, I don't think he would have done that. He had a daughter. He and his first wife adopted a daughter, and her name was Laura. So he had children. his brother had children. And so what his kids went through, I just don't think he would have killed himself. Well, that's a theory that has been floated around. Yeah.

And also the theory that he could have staged it all. And yes, yes, yes. Yes. And just disappeared. Although he was so he was set to retire. He was set to retire. He didn't have a ton of money, but he was looking forward to it. They said he was like really excited. He and Patty had plans. They're going to travel, do all these things. And he was he wasn't he wasn't sad that he was going to retire. You know, how some people like giving up their career. Right.

from what I have read or listened to, he wasn't sad about that. He was excited about retiring. So I don't, I just don't think he, I don't think he would have staged his own disappearance. You know? Yeah, I don't know because from what I'm hearing, I think he could because of some other, okay, because in 1998, the first

people came out of course reporting San... Anyone who knows Penn State knows about this pedophile named Sandusky, Dusty, whatever. He's a scum. He's a scum. He was the assistant football coach, defensive coordinator, I think it was, or defensive coordinator. We don't know which football... Well, I know commander's football. Okay. I do not know Penn State football. So that was the first...

accusation that came around about Jerry Sendeski. who was a definite pedophile. so obviously this guy, the DA, to supposedly refuse to take on the case. He refused to prosecute the case because he said there wasn't enough evidence. Yes. So I can see why some people would be a little bit ticked off. Right. And I think this was before, you said 98, but I think this

No, was 98. It was 98. You're right. was 98. He was in period. So that's another avenue. A whole other layer to this case. So this is Jerry Sandusky case, which if you're not a Penn State fan, that was huge because Joe Paterno, Penn State, they were like on a high. Yes. And so it was no small thing because if you accused Sandusky of it and then the whole thing with Joe

like did they know? And Penn State, I would say probably for Center County where he was a DA, Penn State probably brings in the highest revenues, especially football. You know what I mean? I know, that's what makes me think that it could be something to do with that case. so where are we gonna go with that? So anyway, that was the first like...

Questionable, I don't want to say first kind of thing, but that was something that came out. Right, did he know more than he was saying? Yes. was he pressured? Or, which is where I'm headed to, was he gathering evidence? Was he secretly possibly building a case against Jerry Sandusky? But wasn't Jerry Sandusky already? mean, not, I mean not when.

But in 2005, did Jerry, when was Jerry Sandusky found guilty? It was after that. It was way after that. I'm pretty sure. Okay. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. So it was one of those things where it was not out yet at all. Okay.

I think the reason that we're like so going back and forth is because the layers of this yes are so complex Yeah, right. So Of course he was a DA so he prosecuted many many people. Yeah, so was somebody else pissed off at him You know what I mean? It's very easily. Yes, it could be you know, there was talk of the Hells Angels like at this motorcycle group that they you know what wanted to off him or something like that or but I but I feel like with

everything that we have read that he left his house. think that it wasn't random that he took off. You know, I think that he, was meeting someone for a specific reason. think that that- he was seen in this antique mall with a brunette woman. but yet, and in all honesty, part of the problem too is from what I'm hearing, the police, it was comical.

They did not, they did not investigate this very well when it first happened. And which leads you to believe that's like, and there's, there's so much, there's so many other like weird things. he, so he, okay. He went into work the day before, I guess he had maybe taken a half day. I don't know. I don't remember. I mean, there's so many conflicting reports, but he did go into the office from like six something to eight something the night before.

which was weird, you know what I mean? Like, I guess it wasn't unusual, but it was like a little bit odd. Yeah, but if he, well, maybe when he files or something. maybe. But then his assistant, which is Mark Smith, goes in the next day and there's this book on his desk that is, it has to do with the protocol, basically, of what to do. Well, it's like laws, they forget what it's called.

But anyway, a trick to knowing where somebody was in the book last. I don't know if you know this or not. No, I didn't hear that. the book by the spine and drop it down. And where it opens up is probably the last page that somebody was on. And it sounds so weird. So are they thinking he left the book? I didn't hear about this. think it could be like a red herring. So the red herring, think that I think that this was all kind of like

a setup to get rid of him within the system. So it made it look like he left this book so that Mark Smith would know what to do in case he disappeared. It's like, who takes the place of the DA if the DA is missing? Now, I am sure that they knew who takes place if the DA is missing. It's obvious it's the assistant DA would take over, right?

I'm sure they've had this discussion before. makes no sense. Because also if he was retiring soon, they would have had that all lined up. because you have cases you're working on for months, months, months that... Even the Sandusky thing. Yeah, that you would have said, you know what, I'm retiring, not going to finish this case. Right. Right. that... Yeah. And so the theory was, he came in to leave that...

as like a suicide type of thing of like, well, you know, here's, I'm gonna be gone, but this is who takes over, which it doesn't, I think it's a red hair. I, yeah. I will tell you, I am not buying suicide. I'm just, I don't think he had too much to live for. He loved his daughter. don't think he would. Now they do talk about like people who are suicidal, like most people don't know how, you know what I mean? How, how that.

the mind works, you know, like you would think, well, there'd be clues. I should know. But that's, know, if you say, shouldn't know there'd been clues. Everybody says that because people can commit suicide and want to die. Yeah. You know what mean? But I don't think because of the fact that his car was found, it was locked. Right. So his computer was found. I forget how many.

months later, was like a month, one month later. His computer spent. Then the hard drive was found, but they couldn't get anything really off of it because it had been murky in the river. But the hard drive had actually been physically removed. Yes. Oh, yes. From the computer, which why would you do that? He wouldn't have done it. I mean, I don't think he would have done it himself, but there was something on that computer that somebody didn't want somebody to see. Yes. Right. Yes. Right. So.

I think we can all agree on that. Yes. So whether he did it himself, well, why would you go the whole way to Lewisburg just to chuck it in the river? makes no sense. that doesn't know. So and you know, somebody was either in his car or leaning over his car. Now there were butts around his door and they had tried to test that for DNA, but it didn't match anybody. Yeah. So they don't think it would have been like a federal employee because they always have to be fingerprinted. Right. So I think it was a hit. Yeah.

Well, and then whatever happened to the brunette that he was seen walking around. It was something that was a setup. Yeah, I mean, it's... So you have that, but he's gone. He's vanished. And he's never been seen again. No, not anything. I mean, there's been some people say, I think I saw him blah, blah, blah. they said what? There was one person said they saw him on OPEC.

in the audience of the Oprah Winfrey show. Because that's where I'd go to remain incognito. Yeah, I'm thinking really. No, well, and his bank accounts were never touched. No, which is, yes. That is very unusual as well. Now, he did know how that go. had, there's some reason that he knew how to go to another country and become like have a new.

Yes, yes. And I'll have to look that up to be able to talk coherently on that. I promise that, but I'll try to talk coherently on that. So there was a reason that people suspect that he could have just slightly walked away from his life. if it were, what if it was witness protection? That's, there's a part of me that is, and that's why the police didn't investigate it.

if it's not witness protection, there's a part of me that is wondering if he didn't do it on purpose. if he just did not, he was in fear. He was in danger and he didn't want Patty, his girlfriend or his daughter to have to maybe, I mean that's the layers of this case. Yes. And if it was witness protection, that would explain why the police have not.

Oh yeah, they haven't been very, you know, forthright or they've been lax-a-daisy in this whole... lax-a-daisy... okay. I'm sorry. They've been lax.

So anyway, next time, this is why I'd like to take it into...

another episode. Yeah, because it has come to our attention that there has been there was a podcast. And I'll tell you more about that podcast next episode where this woman had like she had several episodes on this where she was actually the one I got to listen to. She had emailed Mark Smith, which was the assistant DA at the time, because she had been told that he was offered

help in this investigation from Montgomery County. Not Maryland. Not Maryland. Pennsylvania. I want to say Montgomery. I think it was County. Because Center County only had one detective. So get that. So it's a huge county in Pennsylvania. those of who don't know, Penn State is in that, which is huge, and they had one detective. Makes no sense. So they were offering some additional detectives, and they turned, he turned it down. Now he responded,

And that's the facts, right? He responded to this woman, this other podcaster that he never was approached for help and with offers of help. I don't know about that because usually you get people, the FBI or something that approaches. But he said no. Right. So anyways, but this so this woman has all these episodes which she had not. I've just heard about her. I've not had time to listen to. But.

It's interesting because she was going to expose all of these things. And she went in zero dark 30. Nobody has heard from her. She hasn't podcast. I don't want to say heard from her. That's what I want to see about physically heard from her. But she blank on her podcast. Now, if she had a lot of listeners, like we're trying to do now, why would you just stop? But her podcast was a lot. It was like six episodes on this.

So I want to be able to take the time, listen to her episodes, see what she has to say, because they say she interviewed over 100 witnesses that the police did not. And like, why is she, why has she suddenly stopped podcasting without an explanation to her fans or anything? Yeah. And she was fun. Like she was fun. Like I liked her. She's like, I'm gripping my pearls as I speak. was. Yeah. So, so.

So I think we should like, there's just a lot of avenues in this case that we can go into. And like, and now it's like the 20 year anniversary, think like in April it's 20 years. So it's 2005 and this is 2025.

It's so interesting. it's so much. So many layers. Like why?

you know, like why was the car locked? Like why was it abandoned? Why was there no trace of him after this, you know, like he must've gotten into another car. Like who took him? Like where is he? Could he be in witness protection? Could he be? Could he be on an island someplace? Yeah, could he be just enjoying life and being like, ha ha? You don't know. I don't know.

And maybe we'll never know, it definitely is. Or could something have actually happened to him that... and here's something interesting. He was declared legally dead after 12 years so that his daughter actually was able to collect his money and life insurance, something like that. So he was declared legally dead, although it's still considered an open case. I guess so because there's no body. Right.

Right. So it's still an open case even though he was declared legally dead. Dun dun dun. Yeah. I know it's so fascinating to me. It is. is. And so anyway, stay tuned for a part two. Yep. Yep. Yep. Of the missing DA. And if you can, if you enjoyed today's tale of Naptime Bandits. Disappearing DAs.

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