But I Won't Do That
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But I Won't Do That
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In which Becky and Dan finally talk about Creed, the cheese-rock champ of the early 2000s. They take a close look at "Higher", the band's 1999 smash hit, and along the way ask some great questions like, Are these lyrics a perfect match for bad fantasy movies? Does it even matter what critics think? Does this music video have the best good/bad ratio ever? Would you go on a rock band cruise?
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SPEAKER_00Summer.
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SPEAKER_00Summer's a downtime, and in entertainment, you know, you know, there's not much happening. We thought we'd jump in here at the end of July with a I know it's almost August. No, don't say that. Teachers, that's the worst thing. Teachers don't want to hear that.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay. Well. I this summer. Yeah. For some reason I'm glad the summer's over.
SPEAKER_00This is not even August yet.
SPEAKER_01I know, but I'm ready for to dig out my sweaters.
SPEAKER_00Okay, calm down. Well, you just had you you just, you know, had a huge week. Your company's fashion week. Yeah, we So you you had like one of your biggest weeks of the year.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And then we came to stay with my mom post stroke, and she's doing uh very well. She's doing very well. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so you know, we're here in this other bedroom.
SPEAKER_01It's very like sort of elderly coded.
SPEAKER_00It is. Like we could be like we could be like in an economy motel based on that background.
SPEAKER_01It's she lives independent, but it could be uh you know, an old folks home.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01We should have put flowers in the background.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I know. I put those little books there just so there was a little something back there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Uh chairs were drinking um a favorite beer of mine, Pliny the Elder. It's a good one.
SPEAKER_01It is so good. I actually prefer that one with the little flowers on it that you got that's by the same people.
SPEAKER_00Happy hops.
SPEAKER_01Oh, that was so good.
SPEAKER_00The the the cover story in this month's National Geographic is about Mount Vesuvius, the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in in Roman times. And that's actually where Pliny the Elder, he was a naval commander, and he he came across the bay when it erupted. He burned ships across the bay when it was erupted to try to evacuate people, and he died from the fumes from the volcano. But his son, Pliny the Younger, goes on to be a famous Roman historian. He's a firsthand witness to the eruption. He wrote about it. That's how we know so much about it, because Pliny the Younger witnessed and wrote it down.
SPEAKER_01Pliny the younger write about his father, Pliny the Elder.
SPEAKER_00I think so. We should hope so. Anyway, so cheers to Pliny. Pliny trying to rescue.
SPEAKER_01What a good guy. My mom's covering her plants because it's 111.
SPEAKER_00It is so hot here.
SPEAKER_01She lives in Palm Desert, so Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00For context. She lives in Palm Desert and has been over 110 every day we've been here. We're leaving tomorrow, but later this week it's supposed to be 117. Which is I don't I don't know if at some point it doesn't do your notice.
SPEAKER_01I don't know, but I think you do. Because when we go for oh, like you went running this morning when I went walking, how hot do you think it was then?
SPEAKER_00It was probably push a 90.
SPEAKER_01It just feels so much cooler. It's like oh cooler. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's still hot, but you like really feel like this is not bad. And then if you go outside now it's probably not that bad right now, but when it gets to be 111, it's bad.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's bad. Um so Pliny the Elder from Roman Times. Speaking of antiquity, we saw the uh Odyssey yesterday.
SPEAKER_01Oh right.
SPEAKER_00Um and uh it was my second time seeing it. I really liked it.
SPEAKER_01Becky, maybe not as much, but I mean it's just so long. It's long.
SPEAKER_00It's lovely.
SPEAKER_01It's like long in the way that you feel like it's indulgently long. I feel like there's parts that could have been cut, but if you took all the time to making people climb up this mountain and do all this stuff, you better get that in the shot.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I it's it it's just that the the Odyssey's very so long. And so Nolan had to pick like what parts he wanted to do, and I don't see how you could tell the story, unless you made it two movies.
SPEAKER_01I guess you know, when you say the word Odyssey, you just sort of picture something long and cumbersome. So yeah.
SPEAKER_00It was actually so the uh Odyssey comes from Odysseus, first used in like the 1800s. Was the first time the word Odyssey was ever used.
SPEAKER_01Really?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. A journey, an epic journey. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01All right, well, good on you, 1800s, for creating a new artist.
SPEAKER_00And in the movie, you know, one of the characters is named Mentor. That's where we get the word from. He's Telemachus's uh mentor.
SPEAKER_01Because his name is Mentor. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I mean, I love etymology. So anything else? Cyclops.
SPEAKER_00Oh, poor Polythemus. Interesting. I mean, I do think that's a it's fascinating how Nolan depicted it, not so much like a guy with one eye, but just a creature that's like deformed, and that's why he has one eye. Not that he's like a breed of like or there's like a species of cyclops.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00But there's just this one guy that is apparently a bit deformed.
SPEAKER_01And a giant happens to look like the guy sloths from Goonies. Anyway, I'm sure Christopher Nolan could just have a lot of negative things to say about our podcast, too. You loved it though.
SPEAKER_00No, no, I'm not, yeah. I I I thought I thought it was great. I mean, I just love that Nolan, that there's just this people out there just doing things like this, and you know, and using very little CGI.
SPEAKER_01I love that about it. I mean, I do love that.
SPEAKER_00Well, you know, he filmed in like eight countries.
SPEAKER_01Less AI, less you know, CGI, all of much more human touch, which is what's happening in fashion right now, too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there's a craving.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, for like real work, real like let's see a crowd of people that's really a crowd, not like a CGI crowd. Right.
SPEAKER_00Let's give me natural fibers, give me all these things.
SPEAKER_01I want cotton.
SPEAKER_00It's just the question of is that sentiment strong enough to withstand the crush of technology, you know, that we're being fed every day. Not even technology, uh synthetic.
SPEAKER_01But that's gonna be the distinct the distinguisher, like probably between quality and lesser goods, like even in the movie industry, like natural fibers, wool, cotton, things that withstand the test of time for certain reasons, the fibers hold up better, all these things in the same way. Like, and they breathe. Like breathability is so important, but in like when you're looking at a crowd and like now you can even tell backgrounds are fake in like television shows and commercials.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's bad.
SPEAKER_01You know what I mean? So it's like getting those it's slop. It's like Ruby would call it like AI slop, you know?
SPEAKER_00It's like yeah, that's or everyone, I guess. Yeah, that's that's the term that's going around. I think we I think in terms of cinema, it's interesting because if we I think we probably peaked with shitty AI, CGI with probably wicked. I think wicked was when people sort of were like, how like is there anything real about this movie? And then I just thought that no one's gone the other way. Like it's this epic where it's really for the most part like real.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And it's it's it's a cool contrast to know, like, no, you don't have to make big budget movies just using green screens.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like Marvel. Ugh. This is what might makes me hate Marvel comics, like the movement of every earth cracking, shaking, like every human being like just freezing. Like, come on, everything is good, no one reacts that way. Like, it doesn't have humanity down, right? You don't know us, AI.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's pretty damn sure. So, so in in the movie, you know, Odysseus is called by Agamemnon to go fight in the Trojan War. Sorry, this is not an episode about this movie, we're about to get off it, but you know, because the movie it's it's the Odyssey, but it actually also taps a lot into the Iliad, which is the story of the Trojan War, and they have an amazing, amazing sequence with the horse, the Trojan horse. It's so cool. But um, he's called by Agamemnon to go fight in this war, and he he basically can't say no. He's the Odysseus is the king of Ithaca. But I'm thinking, what if in that moment when he's called upon by Agamemnon, he'd walked out on the balcony of his palace in in Ithaca, and he had just said, When dreaming, I'm guided to another world, time and time again. At sunrise, I fight to stay asleep, because I don't want to leave the comfort of this place. And then he stared out towards Troy. So let's go there. Let's make our escape. Come on, let's go there. Let's ask, can we stay? Oh It would it would kind of fit. I'm reading the first verse of today's song, and it strikes me if the lyrics are so dumb, but it strikes me you could just kind of plug it into a fantasy or or or adventure movie.
SPEAKER_01It's sort of yes, but not something so good. I mean, I feel like this needs to be in like you know so I so I trained your dragon.
SPEAKER_00Oh, how to train a dragon.
SPEAKER_01Well, no, because how it's like it's so what it's like the next like cheap iteration of uh, you know, something. But also let's ask, can we stay? I always thought it was saying, It's us, can we stay?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, he we we gotta talk about his voice and and and his singing style and how you can rarely tell what the hell he's actually saying. Today we're talking about Creed.
SPEAKER_01Creed.
SPEAKER_00My God, can we even it's you know, we've we've they've come into our orbit. Orbit, they've come into our discussion a few times. We've never actually taken on Creed. Um, and uh you know, we want to talk today about Hire, which was sort of their breakthrough hit, um, and featuring one of the worst slash best videos you've ever seen.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you guys should go watch it right now. Yeah, it's so good to bag on.
SPEAKER_00If you want to, if you really want to like get into this conversation, pause us, go watch Hire by Creed on YouTube, and uh and it and in the first 30 seconds you're gonna be like, oh my god, and all I can tell you is just wait. Let's talk about Creed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, let's talk about Creed.
SPEAKER_00Creed. Um I mean, what do you when you think of Creed, what do you, what comes to mind?
SPEAKER_01Well, like, okay, ballad rock, but also like um they were so big in this time, but they went like so high, higher that they just almost crashed so hard because in my recollection, like when they came out, I remember really sort of loving them. Like I can get behind a ballad, you know. Oh, absolutely. Um, and then it was just like the ubiquitous overplayed, obviously. And then also the band seemed to take themselves so seriously. And then the the then there came along this whole like like for for arms wide open, it's kind of like everyone knew that Scott Staff, Staff, wrote this about his son. Like the fact that I kind of know his name, like that we kind of knew like this singer's name, he was so in the like zeitgeist. He was just you know, and he more than the band, really, because then he was known for like like recommitting to his wife and or girlfriend or whatever who he had the baby with. There's just so much like in the in the tabloid world, yeah, um, about him. And so then it's like, and then he like foul hard, like alcoholism and everything. Like, I don't know, it would be hard to have this kind of fame because they were huge, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, I think he touched on so many things about Creed, like the earnestness, the self-seriousness was definitely, I think, part of their downfall. Yeah. I I I equate them as being like sort of the quintessential critics hated them, fans loved them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00They're like, like, I don't think any of their albums received any cred from critics, but they're hugely selling out. They're also an a band that benefits from the final days of the dominance of the CD, right? CD sales peak in 2001-ish. That's their heyday, right? They're able to sell massive amounts of of albums at a time when people were forking over 14, 15, 16 for a CD. So kicking off the description of them from Wikipedia, Creed is an American rock band formed in Tallahassee, Florida in 1994.
SPEAKER_01Florida, man from Florida.
SPEAKER_00Creed was prominent in the post-grunge movie. Post-grunge, okay. So this is that sort of mix of bands that are.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's like post-Metallica too. Like, when is Metallica in this? Like, because there's all these But Metallica's. No, they're legit, but I'm just saying they're before all this.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But I feel like they're on, they're like hanging on to the very last, like the tailpipe of that car or something. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um Creed scored three consecutive multi-platinum albums. Human Clay from 1999, which is this the album we're talking about today. The band's second studio album received 11 times platinum certification.
SPEAKER_01Um I mean, that sounds pretty hard to achieve.
SPEAKER_00Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Um, and yeah, the band is the band's made up of predominantly three or four members, but the most um memorable is Scott Stapp, the lead singer, the earnest lead singer. Um, here's a little description of Scott Stapp that I thought you could resonate with. Okay. Before we go to the break and start talking about hire. Creed started off in Tallahassee in the bar circuit in 1994. This is just from a uh a website I found. The time when the actual grunge giants were at their peak. Scott Stabb grew up in a strict Pentecostal family in Orlando, and rock and roll wasn't allowed in his house at all. Stabb struggled with all the restrictions that his family placed on him. When he snuck a copy of Def Leopard's Pyromania into the house, his parents found it and took it away.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, my mom wanted to bring Brad's records to a record burning at our church. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. No, yeah, I know. That's uh it's kind of it's kind of the apropos of us being at your mom's house because when I read that, I thought, okay, this sounds like the stories I've heard from Becky.
SPEAKER_01Totally. But these parents just took it away. Like, my mom was prepared to go and grab Brad's albums and take them. Like, I thought I think she would have thought that they would scream when you burn them. You know?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like what was it? The Pentecost, the holy Ark of the Covenant and Raiders of the Lost.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. Don't look, yeah. If you look at it, they're coming out after you. Yeah. So we're we'll talk a bit about the Christianity that influences the band as well. All right. Let's take a break. When we come back, higher by creed, and maybe the maybe the apex of little man sings like this. There's been a lot of them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Oh, I can't wait to go over that list.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. All right, we'll be right back. We are back. Um, this from uh New York Times article in 2002. They're writing about uh Creed's third album. Um, so after uh what we're talking about today. But uh this critic, their their main critic, map uh music critic, wrote, Early 1990s grunge sustained an unlikely balance of self-doubt and roaring guitars for a few years, but its aftermath is current mainstream rock full of tattooed young men groaning about how families and girlfriends let them down. Scott Stapp of Creed still testifies to his many burdens, but he sees beyond them. With its religious convictions, Creed nullifies both the ambivalence of grunge and the muscle-bound self-pity of more recent rock.
SPEAKER_01Muscle-bound self-pity.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm thinking like I think when I think of that, I think of like, I don't like muscle-bound, but there's a bit of like like matchbox 20 or like that sort of genre with these guys just constantly whining, but using like grunge guitars and the like.
SPEAKER_01But I I think of rock being harder than like matchbox 20 is it it seems so pop to me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know. Like, there's just that whole like all those people that came post-grunge, like who's ever last and ever clear and clear and uh vertical horizon. And we even talked about this. Oh, fuel, fuel, yeah, yes, all those. Okay, yeah, that's it. Like filter, yeah, yeah. But even like we talked about this with like Sugar Ray, like Sugar Ray is very pop, but they but all these different forms that came after Grunge.
SPEAKER_01Overarching theme is rock, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, exactly. Um, so the band the band scores big with its first album, but really scores big with its second album, Human Clay.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, because so isn't um Arms Wide Open on Human Clay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's on Human Clay. So this was released in uh September of 1999.
SPEAKER_0199, almost 2000.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, we're right, we're right at the edge there. And Hire um was released as the first single in August. The song became the band's breakthrough hit as it was their first song to reach the top 10 on the US Billboard Hot 100, peaking at number seven. Higher also became the band's second chart-topping hit on the rock on rock radio, uh, and just becomes generally like a huge hit, stays on the charts for a really long time.
SPEAKER_01Um I mean, you still hear it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01You could be somewhere. I bet you there's like an elevator version in this now. So Benny when you hear these elevator songs.
SPEAKER_00I mean, the the the sound is very like like this, just one description of sales from the New York Times that I think applies very much to this song and to you know their biggest hits. Creed learned one Led Zeppelin trick particularly well, starting with just finger-picked guitar, then having the full band crash in after a verse or two. It used that method in song after song with each crescendo drawing cheers by arena rock reflex. Yeah. He just had that sort of like do, do, do, do, doo, whatever, and then it's like stairway to heaven. Yeah, this big guitar coming in.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Scott Stapp's voice. We gotta talk about Scott Stapp's voice.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's almost like, you know how everyone can do like a Kermit or a Fozzie, you know, he almost has a Fozzie bear rock voice.
SPEAKER_00Is that it?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's kind of like, let me take you higher. What do you think it is?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I just think it's like it's just it's just 1990s guy, like Allison Chains. I mean, Eddie Vedder being like the best example. But like, you know, Stone Temple pilots, they're all just sort of like like Yell singing. Yell singing, kind of I mean, this is this is I'm not to discredit Eddie Vedder because he's got an amazing voice, but I think a lot of people want that voice. But just this sort of like I've just reaching for I love Scott Wyland too though. Scott Wyland, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Uh uh I mean I kind of think a lot of those guys have good voices, but Scott Stapp's voice sounds a lot more Muppet to me somehow. I don't know. Yeah um less Yeah guttural in a way or something like Eddie Vedder has a really pretty voice. Yeah, he's an amazing voice. You know, but is it just that it sounds more authentic?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know. Like I was I I I found this Reddit thread that was like bands with most recognizable voices, right?
SPEAKER_01Well, maybe that's a good thing.
SPEAKER_00And somewhere down the line, um, someone wrote Pearl Jam, to which someone responded, Maybe it's just because I didn't grow up listening to Pearl Jam, but I sometimes confuse the singer's voice with creed. Please don't murder me. And people responding, boo. I like this one though. The trick is to tell them apart is that Eddie Vedder doesn't inject an R sound into every word. He just has a naturally deep voice. The Rrr. Yeah. It's like he constantly is trying to make an R. That's a great way of putting it.
SPEAKER_01It's the pirate song. It's like the pirate voice. Rrr. What day are you going to have a party? Like, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And someone else wrote, I mean, the Creed guy is pretty much doing an Eddie Vetter impression, so I get it. And it does, it does sound a bit like that. Like he's just really reaching for that that sound.
SPEAKER_01No, there was no critics that like them, but it's still like um it's just I mean, it's something to be said for like have they stood this test of time though? Like, what are they doing now? I'm so curious.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well let's get to let's get to them.
SPEAKER_01But also, like, it can all the critic the crowds be wrong? Like, if everyone, if there's they're writing some music that really touches people.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, people were super into it. Arena rock. I mean, I think we talked about this with journey. There's a power to being like in a big space with people singing along and and Creed taps into that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because they're like like I was telling you, Arms Wide Open is so easy. Everyone kind of knows the lyrics to that song. Once you all know the lyrics to a song because it's you know played on the radio. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But you but stop, it's hard to tell what the lyrics are. You can't understand it.
SPEAKER_01Not in Arms Wide Open, though.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Higher is a little more like I made up my own words.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I could be wrong. Maybe if I said what I think the lyrics were versus what they really are. You could call me out on stuff, I'm sure. But I do have an idea that I know more.
SPEAKER_00One critic wrote: millions of people have mockingly imitated Stapp's vocals over the years, but nobody's ever approached the man's own absurdist backwoods hauler. He sounds like he can't possibly be serious, and yet he's so serious, it's too much. And I think that is kind of like nickelback a bit too. The downfall is that you sound kind of ridiculous, and you really seem to take yourself very seriously.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. The earnestness of being earnest. Like it's like we are always finding ourselves ripping on just don't be too earnest ever. Like you just can't.
SPEAKER_00You need to have it. It's it's interesting, like the line between being self-aware and having a sense of humor about yourself. I mean, I think you say the same about Maroon 5. I mean, Maroon 5 just always feels like a band that thinks it's so important. And it's like I know Can you guys just step back a second and just have a little bit more?
SPEAKER_01I think they do though. I think they don't take their selves themselves as seriously as you think they do, because they their videos are like so tongue-in-cheek. A lot of their videos.
SPEAKER_00Really?
SPEAKER_01Funny.
SPEAKER_00Oh, maybe now they are. I haven't watched a maroon five video in a long time. The early videos were definitely not. It's just like what's walking around staring at the wedding one?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, when they did all the weddings, they crashed all the weddings. I don't know. I think they're anyway. Okay, we can agree to disagree.
SPEAKER_00Well, we gotta do maroon five another time.
SPEAKER_01I think they're a lot cheekier than you think they are.
SPEAKER_00But it's not, it's not real cheek. It's not real cheek. It's like it's it's the kind of cheek when you see like a really famous egomaniacal athlete do an ad that's funny. Oh, can you believe? Can you believe how funny LeBron James is? No, he's just fucking doing this because he's he knows he needs to like put this in his bag of tricks. Like, like it's it's it it it's the whole thing is like feels so contrived because they're trying to be funny. And it's like, you're just doing this because your PR person told you this would be a good thing to have. Like, it's not real wit or humor. That's what I think with Maroon. That's what I think with Maroon 5. It feels so inauthentic. Like someone told them, do something that feels funny or or feels clever. You know, and Adam Levine's sitting there, like, you know, checking his jawline for the 17th time that day, and he's like, Yeah, yeah, cool, sign us up for that.
SPEAKER_01Like, you know, just so like all right, but the time when they were on Center at Live as the musical band, they were also in a skit, and I thought, I don't know. Anyway, we can move on.
SPEAKER_00I could be wrong. I could be wrong about that. We haven't done our five piece yet. Okay, well the lyrics or the uh the the the chorus. Can you take me higher to a place where blind men see? Can you take me higher to a place with golden streets and golden showers?
SPEAKER_01There's so many of these words that I've never heard. Like, although I would like our world to change, it helps me to appreciate those nights and those dreams. But my friend, you know, it's like, oh, when does it even say that?
SPEAKER_00I'd sacrifice all those nights if I could make the earth and my dreams the same. I mean, what the fuck is this song about?
SPEAKER_01If I could make the earth and my dreams the same.
SPEAKER_00The only differences. I mean, what is this song about?
SPEAKER_01To let love replace all our hate. I think it's it's um an optimistic ode to the possibility of heaven.
SPEAKER_00Okay. I could see that. Everyone's going to this youth church youth church service.
SPEAKER_01I've been to some of those.
SPEAKER_00You've been to many, I'm sure. And it was one of these, you know, like where they had a full-on rock band, just lights and all this stuff. But when when I we got there, they were um passing. They're they're playing music, you know, as you come in and sit down. And and one of the songs they play is If I ever lose my faith in you by sting.
unknownOh.
SPEAKER_00That's like kind of playing as people are getting seated. And in that moment, I was like, oh yeah. I mean, there's a certain genius to having a song that could be both like a radio hit and but also be used in like a church. You know, and then and to me, these lyrics are sort of like that, where I don't know what this song's about, but if you're like someone who's Christian, as I guess Scott Stout was, but like it's not but it's not so overtly Christian as to turn people off. The lyrics are this sort of like eyes towards heaven.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. That could be I mean, but l to let love replace all of our hate, let's go there. It's like it's this um sort of pining for um a utopia um of maybe a heaven on earth, you know, that's also probably impossible to achieve.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Especially with the alcohol available to us and drugs and women and that's true, yeah.
SPEAKER_00If you think of it from like a rock star point of view, they're getting all those things.
SPEAKER_01There's so much, like so being raised very Pentecostal Christian, just Christian in general, there's so much in the Bible, uh like even like in the New Testament about like Jesus being tested by the devil 40 days in Gethsemane, like where the devil's like, listen, I can do this for you, I can do this, and and Jesus is like, My God can do that. Like, I just I don't need you, I'm good, you know. Right. But like this kind of thing, you're always being tested if you're a rock star and you're a Christian. Like, you know, I don't know if he's even aware of the tests he would have to go through. Right. You know, maybe he's like my dad used to always say stuff like, I'm sure he's just laughing all the way to the bank.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I love that phrase, laughing all the way to the bank.
SPEAKER_01Because he's a ha ha ha ha ha, you all judge me and think I'm ridiculous and earnest. But I've got 11 times platinum, one of my albums. Yeah, you know, and whether or not you think I sing like a pirate, I you guys are talking about me. Like, you know, I don't know. Who has the last laugh, Scott? Stapp.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, that's like a lot of these artists that we make fuck out. It's like, yeah. Like the guy on YouTube. He did better than you about Fred Durst.
SPEAKER_01Put us in our place. Listen, I am in my place, but I still want to talk about like this ridiculous video.
SPEAKER_00Up high, I feel like I'm alive for the first time. Set up high, I'm strong enough to take these dreams and make them mine. Aspirational in so many ways. We gotta talk about the video. Before we get to the video, though. Question for you here. From 2000 to 2009, so the 2000s, right? Before we get to the 2010s. Can you think of any artists that you think would have been the best selling artists of 2000 to 2009? It's a tough one.
SPEAKER_01I was sort of like, oh Is it like is it like boy bands? Is it like a bit of a big thing?
SPEAKER_00It's a mix of interestingly enough, top in the top 10. I think I have a list longer than 10, but in the top 10, is I recall there's no boy bands.
SPEAKER_01Is there is Brittany then?
SPEAKER_00Britney's in there, yes.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so Christina as well then, right?
SPEAKER_00Christina's not top ten, but she might be further down. But in the top ten, Brittany is.
SPEAKER_01Um is it like you two, you two and stuff like that?
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_01In Oh, is it would it be like Whitney Houston? No.
SPEAKER_002000s. I mean, this is a hard question to ask you, but I'll tell you number one is rap.
SPEAKER_01Oh. So are we thinking like um is it is that when um is that like Dr. Dre?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but who who is this? Who is one of the things?
SPEAKER_01Ice Cube? Uh Stoop.
SPEAKER_00Stoop Doctor No, MM.
SPEAKER_01Oh, MM, Dr. Dre. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00So it so this is just an interesting list. And and I, you know, that's that's a tough question to throw in you because I wouldn't, I I was surprised. Number one was MM. It's 2009. Number two is the Beatles. Well, because they're just they're just constantly selling albums. Okay. Right. So they're just selling, selling, and selling.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00So these are the top, like, just what is this album sales for the n for 2000 to 2009.
SPEAKER_01So fra for that nine years.
SPEAKER_00That decade. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Ten years.
SPEAKER_00So Eminem's number one. Okay. The Beatles, which is just an attestament to just how Tim McGraw and Toby Keith coming in three and four.
SPEAKER_01I don't even know a song by either.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, it's country. Brittany's at five.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00Country. Kenny Chesney, number six.
SPEAKER_01Gosh, the country people really are.
SPEAKER_00Nelly.
SPEAKER_01Nelly.
SPEAKER_00Number seven, Lincoln Park.
SPEAKER_01Wow. Number eight. Gosh.
SPEAKER_00And number nine. Creed. And that ten is Jay-Z.
SPEAKER_01Wow.
SPEAKER_00You go further down. Nickelback, Josh Groben, Rascal Flat. Country really showing up. Metallica.
SPEAKER_01Yep.
SPEAKER_00Alan Jackson. There's in sync. So in sync number 16 is your first, like. Okay. But anyway, interesting though. So in among the best-selling albums of the 2000s, there's Creed. And they were fucking huge.
SPEAKER_01I still kind of can't get over that MM was from 2000 to 2010, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but that's his heyday. Yeah. That's his, you know, that's when he's got a big thing. All right.
SPEAKER_01So here's he's somebody who never took himself too seriously.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, he probably maybe maybe should have thought a little harder about some of the lyrics, but um Okay. We gotta talk about the music video.
unknownOh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god. This okay number one the higher music video.
SPEAKER_01Can we just talk about the new technology that must have just come out that that year about freeze framing or whatever it's called when they just freeze the person and then you do a 360 around them? It's kind of like, you know, so we can see that frozen person.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that in a whatever that technology you you know famously debut, maybe not debuted, but probably to mass audiences in Crouching Tiger, Head and Dragon.
SPEAKER_01I loved that movie.
SPEAKER_00The Matrix.
SPEAKER_01Love.
SPEAKER_00Right. So, in other words, the person usually does some kind of a movement, maybe off the ground. They're frozen. The camera goes around them. Cool technology. When it came out, everyone was like, holy shit.
SPEAKER_01Like this is yeah, the cool thing about it is like they're frozen, and then you can go around them and see their whole 3D body frozen, but then they move again.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, then they move again.
SPEAKER_01This video got them just frozen. Right.
SPEAKER_00So this so this is the video. The video was filmed. So this is what 99. The music video was shot in Orlando, Florida at the Hard Rock Cafe.
SPEAKER_01That's where that big dumb red screen was. So stupid. What is that screen made of? Like polyurethane.
SPEAKER_00So the the director um had also directed one of their earlier videos from the first album, What's This Life For? And she recalls coming up with the idea after listening to the song with a record label. The first idea she had was of an epic performance that's later questioned to have ever happened. It was the only idea she ever pitched for the video. So the video was some kind of a creative struggle, as Creed had only a short time to shoot the video before they went on tour in Japan. Over 300 extras, who we need to talk about, were used in the video as members of the audience as well as the people seen in the band with the band backstage.
SPEAKER_01So can you imagine the 300 extras? So those girls sitting there, they just like okay, who are the prettiest? They only found like four pretty girls out of those 300 people because you just kept seeing those same four girls over and over again.
SPEAKER_00So the video starts, the band's backstage. We I can't even put into words how bad the like this zoom feature they're using is and and the way that it's like a jump cut, like you're seeing from back, and now all of a sudden you're like right here at their chest looking at them. It's so bad.
SPEAKER_01But it's a girls' like bathing suit top, like it's the band. Now it's a bathing suit top.
SPEAKER_00It's bad. And then the band the band comes on stage and performs. So pretty like generic uh description, but the way it's shot is it's like a war crime. They should be round up on charges for this thing. Um let's see. So it says that um for the pause scenes, so this is what the effect Becky was talking about. The director had the band and audience freeze while the camera rotated around them and also used multiple camera setup around the band that were um then joined with hovering objects added later in post-production. Cables were also used for scenes where Stap is hovering above the audience. And this is this is this is you really gotta see this. I mean, first of all, his whole his whole demeanor on stage has this just it reeks of like God complex. He's like staring up at the heavens with these poses.
SPEAKER_01But who did the first? Is it um what's his face who it heads um Metallica?
SPEAKER_00James Hetfield.
SPEAKER_01You know how he does that step forward on stage.
SPEAKER_00I think it's Robert Plant. I think it's like Ledza. I think I think this is all comes from Robert Plant. I think he's like one of the first to do this sort of like demonstrably like I'm like like God up here on stage.
SPEAKER_01Well, he was.
SPEAKER_00He was. He wasn't Scott Staff. I mean, this video culminates. Scott Staff literally does like the Christ on the cross pose and hovers above the audience, which is being frozen in these, like a girl in a tube top, like like she's at a club dancing to him, singing higher.
SPEAKER_01I mean, it's a sequin bottom top. But it's also to know the technologies that like she had to freeze while they went around her. And then the fact, like he's saying, let me take you higher while he goes higher. You know, like he's the one who fl like flutters above everyone on his cables in his God um on the cross, Jesus on the cross depiction. Like it's it's like, what is the point of this? And then that at the end of it, it does not land that they didn't realize that happened.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, here's the description. Uh, at one point, Stapp's hanging mid-air with his arms out while wearing his signature leather pants. At the end of the video, the camera pans back to the band backstage as they are seen once again walking to the stage to perform as they did at the beginning, leaving the viewer to wonder if the original live performance was a dream or not.
SPEAKER_01That is not what you're wondering.
SPEAKER_00It's not what you're supposed to. You're wondering who commissioned this video.
SPEAKER_01And who did it, and who thought it was a good idea, and like whatever. It's also like just this that male gaze thing again that I am always bringing up. Like just how the girls are such this ancillary, like a thing for tits and ass, and that's all we want them for. And meanwhile, so much to you, though. It's just like uh also like it just shows, like in the very opening scene, that girl's like staring at him, talking at to him on the couch, and he's just staring straight ahead, and he just gets up while she's talking, and she's like blink, blink, like it's you don't even matter at all.
SPEAKER_00You but but you have to see these these shots of Scott Stapp, like these wide-eyed, like I'm possessed shots that I don't know if it's like they told him to freeze for a shot and he just did it with wide eyes, but he just looks so fucking ridiculous in so many of these shots.
SPEAKER_01He's he's so cute though. I mean, he is cute. You can see why he's like a good frontman for a band. Oh, yeah. Um his you know, healthy hair, he's fit, he's got his really very shiny leather pants and his ubiquitous, like you know, rock star like work boots.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. He looks very the whole yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Oh, and his wife beater, of course.
SPEAKER_00His chest's kind of hairy, but yeah. I'll cripple with that a little bit. But but yeah, yeah, yeah, he definitely looks the part. 100% looks the part. Um in 19 in 2009, VH1, which I guess was still around 2009, put out their hundred greatest hard rock songs, and higher came in at number 95.
SPEAKER_01Wow, it's pretty low.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I would have put it higher than that.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01Would you have ever put their it on there?
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I'd have to see the list to kind of get an idea of what I think.
SPEAKER_01Well, I saw something about Limp Biscuit, so.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01But it wasn't even Limp Biscuit Nookie, it was Break Things.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, Break Things, yeah. Oh, we did Nookie on this show, didn't we? Yeah, we did Nookie. Let's check out the let's check out the 2000 Billboard charts. Where do you think this song landed?
SPEAKER_01It's low. I feel like I want to say like 78.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like not that high. Yeah, but it was on the charts for a long time. But I I think you're I don't know. For the year, I feel like it might be. I'll go number 30.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_00You're gonna go in the 70s.
SPEAKER_0178.
SPEAKER_00Okay. 2000, here we go.
SPEAKER_01I feel like arms wide open got a lot higher. Oh, higher. Look at that. 11.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it's number 11.
SPEAKER_01That's so high.
SPEAKER_00Wow. Breathe by Faith Hill. Smooth. Well, Santana had two in the top three. Smooth and Maria Maria. But wow, number 11. Higher. Holy cow.
SPEAKER_01Same name. Same name.
SPEAKER_00Creed. And then uh Arms Light Open was number 36.
SPEAKER_01Wow. Wow. And that's lower.
SPEAKER_00And then um Wow, higher number 11. But I guess it does kind of make sense though, because this song, like it said it stayed on the charts for like 50 weeks or something. It was such a long time.
SPEAKER_01That song Music by Madonna. Music makes the people come together.
SPEAKER_00I like that song. She sang it at the halftime of the World Cup final. It was so bad. I cannot believe they brought that out.
SPEAKER_01Um look at Christina, 19.
SPEAKER_00What a girl wants. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Bye bye bye in saying.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, let's go through. Let's just go through here. The top 10. So Faith Hill number one, breathe, which I'm trying to remember what that sounds like. Smooth Maria Maria. I Wanna Know by Joe was number four.
SPEAKER_01I the only thing I can think of is I wanna know what Joe being. Tell me what's on your. That's not that song.
SPEAKER_00That's a R D Joe. I don't know. I don't know that song. Everything you want by Vertical Horizon, speaking of post-grunge.
SPEAKER_01I don't know that song.
SPEAKER_00Say my name. Destiny's Child. I knew I loved you by Savage Garden.
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Amazed by Lone Star in 2000. This is terrible. Bent by Matchbox 20. He wasn't man enough by Tony Braxton. I mean, this is really it's tough. Number 14 is a thong song.
SPEAKER_01Kryptonite three doors down.
unknownOh my god, three doors down.
SPEAKER_01There you go.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, I maybe I mean when you see the list, it's like it's not quite so impressive that higher was number 11. It was like those Olympic athletes that got gold medal in like one of the boycott years, you know. It's like, yeah, but half the countries weren't here.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, bye-bye, bye, by NSYNC.
SPEAKER_00Uh well, Mark Anthony coming in at number 22 and 23 with two songs I couldn't place. You sang to me, and I need to know.
SPEAKER_01No idea.
SPEAKER_00I mean, if this this show, what was number 200? If this is the stuff, or number 100, sorry, 100. At number 100, Shackles Praise You by Mary Mary.
SPEAKER_01Never heard of it.
SPEAKER_00Waiting for Tonight by J Lo. Gotta tell you, Samantha Moomba.
SPEAKER_01No idea.
SPEAKER_00Independent women. Okay, that was kind of either coming up or falling off the charts. Great song. Aaliyah, R.I.P. Cowboy Take Me Away. I mean, what is this? 24-7 by Kevin Edmonds.
SPEAKER_01Kevon.
SPEAKER_00Oh, let's check out Kevin Edmonds. There he is.
SPEAKER_01That's him. Oh, he's for sure.
SPEAKER_00He's the older brother of babyface Edmonds. Okay.
SPEAKER_01Oh, he looks like him, kinda.
SPEAKER_00Um wow. So 2000. I mean, is this like one of the worst years?
SPEAKER_01Yes. I'm going to say yes. This is terrible. Doesn't that look like Jenny McCarthy? Oh, it's Faith Hill. Faith Hill. How does Breathe Go? I feel like we totally know that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I want to pull it up.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So wait, this is crossover from country. Is she was she a country star, Faith Hill?
SPEAKER_00In fact, wasn't she married to Tim McGraw?
SPEAKER_01They might still be married.
SPEAKER_00Wait, was Faith Hill the one that um she I helped her when she was pregnant?
SPEAKER_01Oh she's really beautiful.
SPEAKER_00She is very pretty.
SPEAKER_01But I think Was Faith Hill the one that um Garth Brooks was obsessed with. Oh, are they married? Garth Brooks, maybe they got married. Whoever she married to, I think she's still married. Okay, I can't. Oh, sorry.
SPEAKER_00That's okay. I want to say though, Faith Hill.
SPEAKER_01Wait, Tim McGraw, yeah, it's Faith Hill.
SPEAKER_00It is Tim McGraw.
SPEAKER_01And are they still married?
SPEAKER_00Um Yeah. Yeah, they're married. But I remember there being maybe it was Treshie Crew, but I remember there being some story where it was like Garth Brooks was married, but he was obsessed with like a fellow country star, and it led to his first divorce or something. I don't I don't know. But wow, what a year for music. 2000.
SPEAKER_01Creed found the right time to good job, Creed, in like hitting your stride at the right time. Also the CD stride.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's it.
SPEAKER_01Knowing that these are this is the the last messages of people actually buying. Because is Napster, when did Napster come in?
SPEAKER_00It's about this time. It's all starting to happen. The CD model starts to collapse. But I think I want to say CD sales, hold on. It peaks around this time. CD sales by year. Yeah, they peaked in 2000 with 900 million units shipped, dropped sharply by 95% over the next two decades, right? So yeah, look at this. So CDs really pick up in the 90s and they continue to rise, peaking at 2000, and then it's a pretty precipitous drop-off, especially around 2005. It really drops off after that as streaming takes over. So if you're Creed, if you're Faith Hill, congratulations. You were you were at the right place, right time. I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Woof. Well, they went 11 times platinum with their CD.
SPEAKER_00I mean, that's like and we were paying, you know, 15 bucks a CD.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And today you can have a Spotify account for less than that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I mean a month, and still will complain about that. And you have this in your pocket, every song you could ever want to hear at any drop of a hat.
SPEAKER_00I mean, $12. So I'm gonna run this really quick. Let's let's just say a Spotify account. I know it's increased a lot. Let's just say $15. $15 today in let's say $2000. Uh $29 today. So that was like a double CD in those days. So we're we're paying. Today we are paying, which maybe is a testament to how poorly artists are paid, but I know. It's really we're paying this minuscule amount a month for what would have cost two CDs. The world's first CD, 1982. ABBA's The Visitors.
SPEAKER_01It was produced in a German factory. Philips.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. The CD was originally designed to hold 60 minutes of audio with a disc diameter of 150 millimeters. However, the capacity was eventually extended to 74 minutes. Um the advent of CD marks the beginning of the digital music era. Yeah. The CD was destroying something else.
SPEAKER_01Like you you never no one ever like they this existed. Like some people would make like a CD.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Burn a CD.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, burning CDs, yeah.
SPEAKER_01But like no one ever burned you a CD in the same way someone made you a mixtape.
SPEAKER_00It was hard, it was a lot harder. Yeah. It was a lot harder. Because those making a making a mixtape, you could have the double, the double tape player, right? Yes. So you put your recording on a wall and you're feeding, you know, or off the radio. And the CD, I remember it briefly, it was right like Napster, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You suddenly, oh, you can make a mix of CDs. It yeah, yeah, I agree. It never had the same oomph that a mixtape had.
SPEAKER_01Well, and it was such a way to tell someone something. The mixtape. Yeah, the mixtape.
SPEAKER_00Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01It was like, I love you, and these are all the songs that make me think of you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_01Um this is your stereo gum guy who we want to have on the show.
SPEAKER_00I know, I gotta, I know, I gotta figure it out. He's been on vacation. Um, so look, I mean, we gotta just at least say this about Scott Stapp at the end, right? Things kind of went downhill for him, but there's only this one thing that jumped out. I mean, that I just can't tell you about. Um, so this one, this is not it. But in 2002, outside Chicago, Stapp was so drunk and incoherent that a group of fans filed a class action lawsuit. Wow. A judge drove the suit out, but anytime a band gets sued by its own fans, that becomes a news story. Yeah, he had really had an alcohol problem.
SPEAKER_01Well, I remember that. And also he was so big about bringing his like son on tour with him. Yeah. And um, I don't know, his family, but then like she was supposed to, his wife was supposed to have kept him in line and off the bottle or something. Like there was just so much of that in the news.
SPEAKER_00They just, I mean, I think like so many bands, just prodigious drinkers. They they end up they kicked one member out of the band before the third album because of his drinking. Uh at the time it was like framed as he'd gone on radio and criticized Eddie Vetter, but it really was because of his drinking. Oh, with this one though. Stapp also sued to block the release of a sex tape that starred him, Kid Rock, and two women.
SPEAKER_01Oh man.
SPEAKER_00Kid Rock. It was on a tour bus.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00Stapp was charged with felony domestic abuse in 2007. In 2016, he replaced the late Scott Wyland as the new singer for the hard rock supergroup Art of Anarchy, and then his bandmates sued him two years later for refusing to tour or promote the album they'd made together.
SPEAKER_01Have you heard of Art of Anarchy? I never have. Me neither.
SPEAKER_00Um, all right. Well, I don't know what else there is to say about this. I mean, can you take me to a place where blind men see?
SPEAKER_01I want to go to that place with golden showers. That just means sunshine skies while it's raining. Yeah, definitely. That's definitely what it means.
SPEAKER_00That's definitely what it means. So if the place where blind men see, is that like what about if you already have sight? Do you lose your sight?
SPEAKER_01What about uh blind dogs?
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like Daisy could see.
SPEAKER_00Daisy could see. Odysseus's loyal servant, blind, John Leguizamo.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00He's gonna get an Oscar nomination. He was amazing in that. Well, there's there's Creed.
SPEAKER_01I mean, you know, look, Creed if the song comes on the radio, I'm gonna sing along. Oh my god, turn it up. Take it higher.
SPEAKER_00Turn it up. Exactly. The volume higher is an app name because people's volume is going higher when the song comes on.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's fun to that's this. Let's, babe. Can we do a pinky swear next time we do karaoke? We do this.
SPEAKER_00We'll do creed. Look, you gotta watch this video. You gotta watch the other videos too. Go watch the uh with arms wide open video, but also what about the rock hopping one? The one where he's falling. We we went down a rabbit hole of their videos, and they are truly the one you the one you gotta watch after you watch higher is um hold on, where is it? It's human clay. It was on the next album. Hold on.
SPEAKER_01Um I didn't even know the song when you when you said One Last Breath.
SPEAKER_00You've gotta watch the One Last Breath video. You know it when you hear it. He's falling like in the shape of he's doing again, he's doing the Christ pose. Calm down, Scott. It's so self-serious.
SPEAKER_01Pedestals in the desert, like skinny little rock pedestals, like or or like sand. I mean, it's just so crazy. Like, why? It's also like it also it reminded me so much of like Shark Boy and Lava Girl kind of video technique. It was so terrible.
SPEAKER_00It's bad.
SPEAKER_01It's really bad.
SPEAKER_00It's bad. It's it's I mean, it's just everything Creed. It's pretentious, it's self-serious, huge guitars, and you know what? You're probably gonna turn it up when it comes on.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we never even got to the what are they doing now?
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, I think they reunited.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that sounds right.
SPEAKER_00No, hold on. Creed. There we go. Um, after an 11-year hiatus, Creed reunited in July 2023 and subsequently announced headlining tours in 24, 25, and 26.
SPEAKER_01Do we have to go see them, babe?
SPEAKER_00Hold on. Let's see. Creed on tour. Creed official website. Here we go. Oh yeah. Oh yes!
SPEAKER_01They're the same.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, this picture.
SPEAKER_01Yep. They're still looking heavenward.
SPEAKER_00Perfect. Okay, here we go.
SPEAKER_01Um, with Limp Biscuit and Cypress.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it's the it's the summer of 99 tour.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Oh, yeah, bush.
SPEAKER_00Speaking of fucking guys that need to calm down. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um Gavin Rossdown.
SPEAKER_00Let's see. July. Oh, they're just Puddle of Mud. Where is it? In Illinois. They're playing a festival in Illinois right now.
SPEAKER_01Right now.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_01Gosh, are they coming to LA, babe?
SPEAKER_00No, it's a festival out there, but let's see here. Um oh, look at this though. They got something planned for April of 2027.
SPEAKER_01In Norway. Sold out, babe.
SPEAKER_00Wait, is it in Norway?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, in Norwegian.
SPEAKER_00On Norwegian Joy. That sounds like a cruise ship. It's a cruise ship. They're playing a cruise ship. They're on the Norwegian Joy.
SPEAKER_01Wait, what does this say here? Fifth sailing. Wow, they're doing cruise ship tours. That's what they're doing now.
SPEAKER_00This is incredible. Join Creed with Summer of New York. The vacation taking you higher. April 17th, 2027. Oh, unbelievable. Look at it's Miami to the Bahamas.
SPEAKER_01I mean, listen, I would do that.
SPEAKER_00This is incredible.
SPEAKER_01With Breaking Benjamin and Seven Dust. Have you heard of those bands? I've never heard of them. No.
SPEAKER_00The ship is full, but we may have room for you.
SPEAKER_01Oh, wow. Look at the crowd.
SPEAKER_00Louder on the ocean.
SPEAKER_01Nope. I know.
SPEAKER_00Are you ready for this lineup? Nope.
SPEAKER_01Look at that crowd. In the heat on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean. No.
SPEAKER_00Creed on cruise.
SPEAKER_01All right, I think we should end with that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't think we could get any higher than that. I mean, look at these people. Look at this. They're look at it. No. They're gambling on the we're taking over Norwegian Joy for the biggest and baddest party on the seas with multiple stages, food on deck, relaxing spas, and an onboard casino, including, including a board that says Creed on it.
SPEAKER_01But babe, all of which you'll welcome with arms wide open. The copywriter was on point, I have to say.
SPEAKER_00The cruise that will take your summer hire.
SPEAKER_01Nice, nicely done, Creed.
SPEAKER_00Good job by you.
SPEAKER_01Happy sales.
SPEAKER_00Love you.
SPEAKER_01Love you.
