Sacred Wholeness: Primordial Initiation, Physical Regeneration & Template Activation with Jade McWilliam | 16

In this illuminating episode of Frequency MA, we welcome Jade McWilliam, a quantum practitioner and registered nurse whose work bridges anatomical understanding with quantum mechanics to create pathways for profound transformation. The conversation explores Jade's transformative free birth experience and how her subsequent healing journey from birth injuries deepened her work with template activation and physical regeneration. Jade shares insights on language as quantum technology, the concept of spiritual androgyny as a biopsychospiritual experience rather than mental framework, and her perspective on our collaborative relationship with Earth beyond traditional ascension narratives. Throughout, she weaves a profound understanding of embodying the raw and erotic power of creation by embracing all aspects of human experience as pathways to spiritual transformation.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

About Jade:

Jade is a Quantum Practitioner, Energetic Mechanic, and Primordial Initiatrix whose work centers on template activation, physical regeneration, and multidimensional embodiment.

With a foundation as a Registered Nurse and over a decade in the healing arts, Jade brings a rare ability to weave anatomical understanding with quantum mechanics, creating pathways for profound transformation.

Her journey deepened in 2023 when she free-birthed her son, initiating her into new dimensions of primality and expanded psychic capacity.

Jade describes herself as a celestial poet and etheric analyst who merges the tones and textures of creation, acting as a spiritually androgynous bridge across all time and timelessness. Her methodology helps clients cut straight to the quantum core to become their whole, authentic selves.

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Jade's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sacredwholeness_

Jade's Website: https://www.sacredwholeness.au/

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Welcome to the Frequency Ma podcast. I am Alyssa Ma. I'm here with my co-host Sheena Israel, and we're so honored to have with us today Jade McWilliam of Sacred Wholeness. And Jade is a quantum practitioner, an energetic mechanic, and a primordial initiatrix whose work centers on template activation, physical regeneration, and multidimensional embodiment. With a foundation as a registered nurse and over a decade in the healing arts, Jade brings a rare ability to weave anatomical understanding with quantum mechanics, creating pathways for profound transformation. And her journey deepened in 2023 when she free birthed her son, initiating her into new dimensions of primality and expanded psychic capacity. And Jade describes herself as a celestial poet and etheric analyst who merges tones and textures of creation, acting as a spiritually androgynous bridge across all time and timelessness. And her methodology helps clients cut straight to the quantum core, becoming their whole authentic selves. So please join me in welcoming the luminous Jade McWilliam, whose work guides us toward anchoring deeper into what she calls the raw and erotic power of creation. 

eternality expressed through human being. Welcome, Jade. Thank you for that introduction. It's always beautiful to have yourself reflected back. You form these things, so you try and put yourself into some sort of digestible packet when you're trying to share your work, but then to have it reflected back is always lovely. Your words are just such rich words. textures to play in. So it's a delight to be swimming in your field and we're so happy to have you here. I'd love to start off by asking about the way that you have moved through this motherhood portal. I know you've spoken about it on Instagram and I've been personally quite curious, knowing your work before becoming a mother and yeah, just having this like, you know, delight and like watching you move through this, this portal, but also knowing that you through this initiation have, you know, met some, some points of what some might call a challenge or adversity in the birth experience. And I'd love for you to 

speak into your experience with birth and how that's impacted how you work, both as a woman and, yeah, as a quantum practitioner. I guess I'll share a little bit about my birth experience. I haven't publicly shared my birth story as such. I've spoken to bits and pieces of it, but as a whole, it was it the most beautiful experience. It was my husband and I, and we decided not to have a doula. I didn't want that. I really wanted the space to be private and contained. And we did a lot of work around feeling comfortable with it just being us because my husband initially was, you know, there was nervousness and there was fear and there was a concern for what could happen in that space. But having a background as a registered nurse, I really understood physiological birth. I understood the body. I didn't hold fear around that aspect. So I felt really comfortable. It was more mitigating how he felt and bringing him into a safe space to support me. But the birth was, I woke up at midnight. I could feel some cramping. 

and had a beautiful bath and my husband's a deep sleeper so he's sleeping through all of this and um was like shocked to find out like two hours later when I re-emerged that like I was in labor I was like oh oh my goodness I didn't even realize but you know it went on for 10 hours I had a really beautiful first phase of my labor it was really easy it was very psychically open we were just in a having a lot of vision, a lot of meeting and speaking and guiding the spirit of my son down into the earth plane. And I really felt in that moment that, oh, I'm going to have like an orgasmic birth. Like I'm going to have a pain-free birth because this is so beautiful. Like I was so high on the oxytocin. 

And so psychically open that I really felt like it was just going to continue in the same direction. You know, switching to active labor, it was very intense. I only had an hour of active labor. And it was just, it was really, really profound. It was beautiful. He landed. I had always had a sense that I was going to have a girl. I was excited. felt really strongly connected to a feminine energy. And then when he landed and we looked at him, we sort of were like, oh, it's a boy. Okay, that changes things. So he didn't have a name for three days. And then it came through to be Ewan. He was conceived on Ewan country, which is over on like the far south coast of New South Wales in Australia. And it also was to do with the symbolism of the yew tree. 

So that immortality, the beginning and the end, always being able to drop down those branches. And it was just a really, really beautiful experience. And it was magical and it was perfect. And it really showed me my power in that active labor because it was intense. And then from that, within the following days, I was in a lot of pain. And... I knew something wasn't quite right. And then I, I'm not too sure, sort of like the timeline, that phase is so intense, you lose like the scope of time itself. But I came to understand that I had a bladder prolapse. And then it wasn't until months and months later, almost until after he is probably one that I realized that I had partial avulsion of the the levator ani muscle on the left side so I 

That's the part of the deep pelvic floor. I pulled that off of the bone. And so it's like part of that is still intact, but part of that has been pulled off and is not like connected to that structure anymore. So that journey was huge because that created a huge rippling experience through my experience of motherhood, I had to physically heal. I had to confront the mental, emotional, energetic aspects of what that birth initiation required me to meet. And so there was a lot of, a lot of feeling, a lot of fear around my body and the injury, what my quality of life would be, would I be able to regenerate the injury, a lot of victimization within that, feeling really victimized by that experience that I didn't get to just have this beautiful birth. Like I had a beautiful birth, but the outcome sort of shifted the trajectory. I felt like that was like taken from me in a way. So there was this level of victimization there where I felt like I'd been robbed of something. 

in that first birth birth experience and that really left like this hollowing out within my heart and caused a lot of, a lot of heart fracturing through my initial postpartum, um, as well as a lot of shame, a lot of internalized blame, a lot of fear of being open around my experience because I was worried that people would just, you know, would just feel that I had caused that anyway by free birthing. So it was like, I felt like I was living two lives. Like I had the external way that I interacted and held myself. And then inside I was like breaking down, dying continuously, having to build a resiliency and a capacity that I'd never had to before, not just with motherhood, but with how I engaged myself. So it was an experience that I never asked for. Like I never would have consciously asked to enter into that sort of experience. But arriving two years later, I can really see why I entered that. And I really view it as... 

a necessary initiation and a portal for multiple things. But in the context of my work and my mission, it's brought me directly to the core of that work. And it kind of had to force me through these pain points to build the capacity and to come into contact with having physical injury to return to quantum technology. and regenerative capacity of the body and what we're, what we really are capable of doing. So it was this very long-winded experience and it continues to be an ongoing journey. Um, but yeah, it's, it's one that it's, it's really hard to place any clear label on because it was So many different things all wrapped into one. And I think any, any motherhood journey is that any postpartum is that, but dealing with injury on top of that and the shock of injury is, it's so incredibly obliterated. It really, really takes you into a space of despair and, 

it just requires, it requires so much of you and you're already being asked of so much within tending to a new babe and making those adjustments to your physical, mental, emotional, spiritual being. So having that experience was grueling, deliciously grueling. I'll say it that way because I'm at a point now where I've healed so much of the mental, emotional and energetic 80 to 90 percent corrected the prolapse. And then, you know, as we'll, I'm sure we'll get into through this discussion, the work with the evulsion is going to be something that I'm really focusing on and going deeper with through like a quantum approach. I thank you so much for sharing all of that. Um, I want to reflect back to you even just briefly, if I can possibly, because there's so much there and, 

um, being only briefly familiar, like a little bit familiar with your work before just through social media, when you did kind of emerge and started talking about motherhood, it was, it was a context woven in your shares that was deeply reflective of my own journey and hearing you share a little bit about your birth. Now I can see why it's like bringing it full circle because they're There is in these moments for myself that it kind of brought a lot of that. Well, I like to say that I've had, you know, one child, but two birth experiences in the process and the journey of how that unfolded for me and the physical healing after. It was grueling, deliciously grueling. And I, too, am so thankful for my experience because it was a wild initiation that I could not have planned. Nothing could have prepared me for that. I just had to move through it. And I feel that when you started to share about motherhood, as I said, those codes were woven in. And it was like... 

I don't know. I feel like maybe many people might have experienced this as well. It's like being seen without calling it out. And there's a quantum connection there. I feel that is etching the hearts of mothers just in general. And anyway, I just want to thank you for that and share a little bit. I feel like a question wants to emerge, but it's not here yet. I think that's okay. I can weave us back in. But also, thank you for sharing that, Jade. I'm sure many will resonate with those. Yeah, the kind of fearless way in which you're showing up and sharing about your birth story. And I guess I did have one question just because it was something that we've spoken to 

prior to recording about like the fear of speaking out about free birth because there is this kind of narrative that you are inviting injury. But I'm curious as a registered nurse, do you think that like had your birth happened outside of that kind of cave, dark cave-like space, had it happened in a medical setting, would you have averted that injury? Would you have incurred additional injury? Like, is there a felt sense of like an alternative pathway available to you had a more traditional medicalized route been taken with your birth? Yeah, I feel very clearly within myself that I wouldn't have birthed well within a hospital setting. And I worked in hospitals. I know what the environment feels like. I know what it does to my body. And it was a big reason that I left nursing. And as we discussed prior to starting this, 

It plays in with like the neurodivergency and the sensitivity and being so aware of lighting, sound, temperature, presence in the room, all of those things, you know, in any way are going to impact you. Add in like an extra vulnerability or sensitivity to those things. They become like sirens setting your body off. And so I had zero interest, zero inclination to birth in a hospital setting. And even now, if I would have a second birth, I would not be birthing in a hospital setting. I would free birth again. And I had a lot of biomechanical things with like, I had a really strong anterior tilt. I had, you know, like some torsion through my body. So biomechanically through my pregnancy, I was really strong and fit, but I 

I wasn't necessarily aligned. And so with him coming down into the pelvic bowl and there just wasn't necessarily enough supplements within the muscles, enough work with that to correct sort of like some structural components. But I think you learn these things or you do, you don't. For me, I've really spent this past two years realising that Oh, my posture needs correcting this way. Oh, my breathing needs this way. Birth taught me or the birth injury taught me that I've never known how to walk, to stand or to breathe. Like I literally in my whole life had never stood correctly, had never walked correctly, had never been breathing correctly. And it's a really strange thing to be like, what have I been doing? How have I been existing? Because I've been so structurally unsound. And the irony there is that I was still very quantumly embodied and able to access even though my physical body was quite contorted and struggling. So birth was like this corrective measure. And I don't see the injury as being something that has like weakened me. 

and broken me down, it's been realigning. And it's been like, I'm stronger now. Biomechanically, I'm really sound. I'm breathing more. I have correct biofeedback into different muscle groups, like my deep core, all of these components of my body that I never had a relationship with. I didn't know how to be what I was in the form. The birth injury pulled me down really aggressively, really hardly, and said, like, you cannot operate the way that you're operating blown out of the body anymore and allowing the physicality to be what it is. You really have to be in the body, land there. So, no, I don't feel that I would have had a better outcome in a hospital setting. I don't necessarily... I can't say that I would have had a worse outcome, but... 

I don't see the injury as a result of the birthing process alone. Like it's, it's so much more than that. And for me, it's almost this like contracted piece that I had to go into and look like we, we have to engage things in a way that is empowering to us and how we like find our understanding through our experiences and And for me, the understanding that I have of that is that I had to go into it to land my full self in my body, to reconnect with the truth that I know, to correct or like reopen and realign my access to God and my relationship with God. Because everything was very skew-wiffy and like collapsed. And it was strange in the pregnancy and leading into that where I'd stepped away from everything 

the ascension narrative and like the dogmatic material. So I was very much like, I want this relationship. I believe in these things. I want to work with this material, but all of the context has disappeared. The framework has gone. What, where does that leave me? And, you know, as humans, we're meaning makers. If we don't have a way of making meaning we start to go a little bit crazy. We start to collapse. We start to implode a little bit. We need context. We need a structure that gives us the containment for our meaning. Like that's how we exist at this level. So for me, I went through almost like three years of that structure collapsing and And really fighting, being like, I need context. I need a framework. I need the structure. And pretty much being on my knees going like, I need structure. I need to understand, God, what are you? What are we doing here? Why is this a fallen realm? Is this not a fallen realm? How am I supposed to engage this, my medicine, this technology? Because the framework that you operate within is going to determine how the medicine works. 

And that's like an integrity piece. You have to know that the system that you're operating within is going to shape the medicine. And I felt really strongly about that. I was like, I'm not comfortable having my medicine move through certain frameworks anymore. So the birth was like the reorientation of all of that. It's like moving a huge energetic mass into a new state shape and way of being. Yeah. I love that you've spoken to that discernment piece of, you know, experiencing a preset framework, like the Ascension framework, for instance. And then, you know, because I feel like a lot of people can find themselves in this, you know, seeking. And I think, what did you call it on your website? You said, we're in a space where it's abundant, but we're also impoverished. We're also starving in a sense. And so, 

This is the kind of context in which we find ourselves we're seeking. And so when we have these kind of frameworks that feel a lot like what our medicine is or feel a lot like they could hold our medicine, but there's just still something that's incongruent that there's almost this kind of like revulsion or this like, you know, this energy and action to like completely reject out of hand that, you as a framework and then to disidentify with the aspects of self that are resonant, like on a different frequency. They're, they're, they are connecting in with the content of what's being discussed in these realms. And yet there's just a, there's a tonal difference. And so I do, I mentioned this too early, but I do feel, I don't feel that your work is, um, 

part of that dogmatic structure. And yet, there's a real felt integrity to how you weave. And I think a lot of it comes through the language that you use, which we require to receive these transmissions through the digital, through the physicality of language words on a page. The power of that comes through that kind of embodied gnosis to give them this punch that can kind of penetrate through this digital realm. And so I think I'm kind of spiraling into a question around your use of language. Although I am curious, actually, before I go there, let me stop myself. Is there anything that... you would like to speak into on your birth like the the aspect of your birth and coming into this um diagnosis of being neurodivergent is there anything there that you feel led to speak into because i think that's a very um yeah relevant uh topic maybe i'll i'll use that as a segue into the language piece because it's kind of the same thing um 

But yeah, motherhood for me, as I shared prior, was alongside the intensity of the injury. I found the experience of mothering really, really intense. And not in a way, I wasn't lost to it. I was just so highly attuned to it that it impacted me to my core, even in the most mundane things. I... really struggled to let Ewan be upset. It was like I could feel everything in every cell of my being. And I just found I started to become aware of ways that I was doing things or the way that I experienced the world, the way that I experienced motherhood being different to the experiences of women that I was in connection with through like mother's group or different kind of like community groups within the town that I'm in. 

And it eventually led to sort of this circling of neurodivergency with a lot of resistance to that because I had sort of like seen all of the like explosion of diagnoses and self-diagnoses and being like, oh, you know, really rejected that and thought, oh, I'm not that. I don't want to be a part of that. I really don't like that space of that. just adopting things and over identifying and then claiming that as what you are. Um, and so coming closer to that was really confronting because then i had to like swallow my pride and be like, oh, okay, I do need to go into this space and look at this. Um, and then it kind of came through of really ticking so many of those boxes and having those aha moments, looking back on my life, like having a lot of being really academic, but having school refusal, like full, 

Meltdown, like being a 15, 16, 17 year old girl that like was like begging not to go to school, was so overwhelmed with school, but was doing really well and would school myself if I stayed home and in in year 12 was like being told that I was going to fail on attendance, but was doing really well, like getting A's on assignments and handing everything in before. But I wasn't meeting the criteria and the way of like performing or participating as to like their standard. So it kind of gave me this realization of it just this confirmation or this validation of what I've been through and that it like, um, it just reflected to me so many different things from child boys through my schooling, through my adult life, the way that I, um, interact with people um 

the way that my thoughts are sort of processed, the way that I'm this sort of like synesthetic quality. If I hear sound, sound impacts me at a really deep emotional level. Like the vibration of sound will really make me get teary straight away. It kind of like opens me and it's not something I can control. So I just started to be like, oh, I have, again, another framework that I can understand myself within, but then I can take it and bring it into the lens that I want to use it. So for me, it's, I see it as my brain is this way because I have a certain capacity to experience the world that I do for like the, for my work, for my medicine. I require, a 

a central nervous system that is like that so that I can receive and transmit information in a certain way. And so language for me is a really big piece of that. I really enjoy writing kind of these energetically provocative pieces that you fall into and you're hooked and then you're like outraged or shocked and that's a bit of a gas factor or I like that feeling I like the rhythm and the cadence of like bringing people into something that you're experiencing. It's not just something that you're reading and you're going, oh, that's nice. That's beautiful. It's a really like heartfelt piece of information or it's, you know, like it's pretty and it's packaged well. I like to use language as something that is, that each thing is a portal and it's not just what you're writing about that's creating the portal. 

It's the rhythm of the piece. It's like the way that it's spiraling. And as you're moving into it, all of a sudden you're hooked into a gravitational force and then you're moving into it. And then you landed in the, like the code itself. And so then all of a sudden you have this experience where you've read it and you've gone like, what the hell was that? Because like my body just had some sort of movement. I was pulled into something and, I find that really fun. I find that that's my form of play is using language in a way that I know is going to be able to, you know, like organically manipulate people's fields and bodies so that they can come into contact with material that they wouldn't otherwise come into contact with. So, yeah, that's sort of how I use language. And we can go into that deeper, but just as the beginning kind of segue into that. Yeah. 

I love that. I think, yeah, it's very much present that you have a masterful relationship with language as a quantum technology. And yeah, like I mentioned earlier, there's like that you have the embodied gnosis to push forward the kind of code that you are putting forward for consumption or for calibration with. I love how you put that. But I'm curious, looking at language as a quantum technology or an anchor point between dimensions, how can we work with the technology of language and tone to kind of bridge this time in which we are coming into greater awareness around our sensory capacity and um our extrasensory sensitivities, you know, both collectively and individually um and you know you know i really yeah i'm curious yeah just to hear you kind of speak into um yeah ways that we can attune to our own use of language um as that kind of uh 

a preparatory phase for more telepathic communication? I think the biggest thing with the engagement of language is you have to be honoring the, like your own energetic signature that's being imbued into it. It's like with anything, the minute we try and make it something that it's not, it just dissolves. It doesn't... It can't hold the structure. It can't hold like the string of information that it's trying to be and breathe because it's being sort of like artificially created. So when we're engaging it and it's, you know, I have a lot of people say to me, I think you need to like thin out your writing a bit. It's really like dense. It's confusing. I don't really understand what's happening. And for a long time, I was like, oh, maybe I do. And I have had seasons where I've tried to be like more direct, you know, more of a direct download. And then when I write it, I think this is so bland. Like it doesn't hit the mark at all. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't convey anything. It's lifeless. It's like a shell that I'm handing over a husk and saying, here, enjoy this. And people look at it and go, oh, well, I really don't want to 

That's not engaging. It's not entertaining. I'm not getting anything from it. But when I write in quite an elaborate and intricate way, even though people might not at a conscious level understand what's going on, it's so alive with me, my energetic signature, and then the information that I'm bringing through and sort of like filtering through that. So I think... Using language as a technology has to come through knowing yourself and knowing your energetic signature that's going to be the filter of your language. And it's sort of true for everything. It's that whole know yourself. It's the core of what we do. You can't utilize or express your medicine if you don't know the body of that medicine, the essence of that medicine. It's the same thing. 

that's true for language and for the way that you're going to play and dance and create this kind of choreographic like scaffolding. It's you're creating another body, you're creating another form or another like domain for people to be in. So you have to really understand the quantum implication of what these things can do as a technology. And you don't want to be creating something that's kind of this warped lifeless thing that's just trying to appease your ego so that other people accept you or understand you it has to be something that's this beautifully like architecturally coded emanation of your being and that's like it's so true for whenever you're working with anything quantumly you're always like creating these these sort of like other 

these other bodies, these other spaces for the consciousness to be moving through. There's that whole, like, spheres nested within spheres. Language is very much that. And, like, the linguistics of, like, the frequency is a really beautiful space. But we're in... I feel like we're in a really big shift with language. And I'm sure we could, like... speak to that in more of like a forking or a bifurcating way because language is losing a lot of its essence and we're getting a lot of like colloquial slang it's like void of potency but at the same time it feels like we're really starting to transition back in reclaiming language and I think that is just referring directly to the fact that we're reclaiming bodies we're reclaiming consciousness we're reclaiming frequencies and so 

Naturally, as we begin to speak through those bodies, the language is, it's dancing in a different way. It comes out and it's a living transmission. And I'm kind of fixated on this idea at the moment of being a living transmission, that when you start to work with being such a like calibrated open channel, your whole being is this transmission. Everything you say is, You can feel the frequency. You can feel the pitch, like the ebb and flow. It's the same within your breath. It's the same within your movements. And that impacts people. That creates shifts through the field. It creates this beautiful, like, melding and transference and then transfiguration. So language is so much more than what we think it is. It's like these entire fields, entire structures, things. 

It's a choreography. It's the way that we've chosen to transmit in quite an extensive part of humanity's history. We're in, you know, I'm just thinking how to tie this in with telepathy or like cellular telepathy. And again, it comes back to, the energetic signatures of your body. When you're reading the energetic signatures of yourself and you understand what your energetic signature is, um, you're going to start to be able to read other people's. You're picking up on like subtle energies. And so i don't think that we'll ever lose language. I don't think we'll ever, um, I think it's too beautiful. I think it's too fun for us to like want to separate from. And it may evolve in a way that we can't see at this point in time. But I know a lot of people say that, you know, written word has been this digressive form and it really like captures and locks down communication. But I find it to be really expansive. I find it to be a really liberating pathway. And I use it as a... 

processing method as well, because if i'm working with something and i need it to land and actually kind of like calibrate through the body, I'll write it as code and share it. And the minutes it's in the field, it locks into my body. So a lot of what i'm sharing is kind of like live transmission of something i'm working and then it gets put out and it lands in my body so it it acts as a tool for calibration. I love that. I love so much of what you shared. I love that, you know, furthering that differentiation from the kind of like, you know, we don't need to be reaching for telepathy. We don't need to be reaching for some other way. And I think that comes through so beautifully. And you celebrate being in form. Like, it is such a place of richness to be in form. It's a gift. And you just you 

right? So beautifully about the kind of ferility and what's the other word I wanted to use? Just the kind of raw texture of existence, like you really embrace that in how you transmit. And I love the idea of this living transmission. And I think part of what I receive from... being in your field is that real deep acceptance of all of the differentiated textures of reality regardless of um yeah whether they, uh, have a sheen of light or, you know, um, beauty that there's, uh, an acceptance of the kind of, um, yeah, more guttural, like primal, like dis disassociating and pooling into this kind of primordial soup and then reconfiguring from this place of complete disintegration. And yeah, I guess I just have a reflection that I love that about how you transmit, but I'm curious how that informs. Also, you speak a lot about the erotic 

And I think what is most erotic about your work is that you include it all. The grit and the disgust, every single expression of the human is part of this transmission that you are putting out. And so I'd love for you to speak into this idea of embodying the raw and erotic power of Eternality, as you say. Where do you begin? I think exactly as you said, it's like, you can't, you can't be in full erotic power if you're narrowing that down to mean specific things. Like it just, that's like, it's not hitting the mark. Royal erotic power comes from the capacity to be in all spaces, all shapes, all configurations, and to know how to be alive through them. That's the eroticism of it, is to feel the despair and the heartbreak and the grief and know that you're still so alive through it and that it's a bestowal. And you can do something with that. 

There is power within that. There is capacity to initiate yourself through that. A lot of what we see within the consciousness is that it gets stuck in these spaces. It sees them as unpalatable, locked down, detrimental. Like they're spaces that are often perceived or labeled or pathologized as negative, damaging, you know. so on, but they're actually spaces that we get like the most power we find most of our power. And so i have this like morbid fascination with being in like the darkest spaces and still being most alive. Um, and i think it's part of like this, this neurodivergency as well is that raw honesty. Like, you can't help but, like, be honest, even if it's, like, at a detriment. And I find it really challenging that people can't just accept that they're messy. They can't own what they're feeling. To me, that's really it's really confronting because I, within my own personal experience, am, like, very willing to put my hand up and say, like, I'm this today. I'm a mess. I'm a puddle right now. like 

this past week I'm falling apart and I'm reconfiguring and I'm frustrated and angry and I have so much rage and, you know what, I'm actually projecting that towards this person and I'm really angry at this person or I'm really angry at this event that happened in my life. I'm really okay with claiming, like, the trauma and the scope of being a human because we have this... this tendency to want to erase everything or trauma is bad the only way that we're going to be in our power is to like clear that, erase it, get rid of it like remove all like traces of it from the body. I don't believe in that like I believe that when we're talking about coming back into power and regenerative capacity as humans at this point in time, it's knowing that 

The trauma has a right to be there. Not like how do I, I'm trying to like word it so that we're understanding the nuance, not letting the trauma sit there and kind of fester and rot and like take over and necrotize the system. But in terms of like acknowledging that it was a part of our path, it was a part of our story to deny it is then inevitably going to deny a part of the aspect that was involved in it. So when we can, give full space to that and we can be alive even with that existing in the body, having imprints in the body. Then we're in our full erotic power. Then those things, although there might be echoes of them, they're not governing the body. They're not the authority in the body. The eroticism of being alive is the authority, is the true essence so it's it's why it comes through my work and my writing is, 

we need to be playing in like those paradoxes of being, um, most powerful when we're most broken and most broken when we're most powerful. You know, like there is always these like simultaneously true simultaneous truths that seek to derail each other. If you can't comprehend or have coherence around how they both have to exist And then they're like the midpoint exists as well. So it's like that's where eroticism comes through. It's like polarity, neutralization, all potentiality from that as well. And I'm really fascinated on that and being the alchemist, being an alchemist in that space. Like it's very easy to be victimized by your experiences when you're not alchemizing them. In terms of when you're not actually stepping in and being like the magician or the alchemist within that space and going, these are my raw materials. What am I going to do with them? What potion am I making? What magic am I going to create from this? If you're just sitting with the density of the raw material and you're not moving it and you're not creating something from it, you will be swallowed by it. But if you look at it and you say, I've got this, I've got this, what am I going to do? Let's see what happens when we merge them. Let's see what happens when we... 

change the shape here and here the form when we re-encrypt it when we re-encode it if we're like you know we have so much ability to quantumly play and then that's where we start to have really big leaps and bounds within our feeling of being free because we can't be bound to any single form when we know how to constantly change the form and change like the format of our experience I feel like this might actually be leading me into, I thought we wouldn't get to this, but I'm fascinated by this term that you use, spiritually androgynous, as part of how you self-identify and part of what you bring to your work. And I feel like it's fascinating in the context of this kind of 

fixation on the divine masculine and the divine feminine and really calcifying concepts around these terms. And I'm curious, not only from a point of view of your work, but just more broadly speaking, what is spiritual androgyny and how can it serve as a guide for us in this time of radical perversion around Gender, and i'm trying to word this in a way that feels true um but also this kind of wholly merging of the masculine and feminine that is part of this, you know, evolutionary enfoldment of humanity. Like, what does that term mean to you and how do you play with it? Yeah. I want to acknowledge what you're saying, first and foremost, because i think the way that you worded it, like this calcification around terms is really important. And, um, as we shared, like prior to recording, like it's really hard when you've been in like dogmatic spaces, it creates this like tarnishing of the way that you engage with certain materials that are divine. Like they are sacred and pure, but then the way that you've had them like fed to you has 

polluted the system so you're trying to re-engage with them from a point that isn't like it doesn't have that that quality to it um i think when it comes to like the divine feminine masculine i'm just trying to think where i want to go with this um i so spiritual androgyny is like really simple it's I think that people like try and overcomplicate it. Like if you were to drop into your body and to open like your vertical channel and just to allow God's source to flow through like ascending and descending and kind of start to have that zero point stabilization, that's what spiritual androgyny feels like. It's just like, we need to move away from concepts. We're very, very fixated on mentalizing things. 

And being like, what is the divine feminine? What is the divine masculine? How do we interact with these? Oh, divine feminine is this and this and this. And we create like a checklist of like categorizing and boxing qualities that is her or that he is. I love the time when we're like really fixated on these energies. It's just reflecting to us this yearning that we have within ourselves for some sort of like stabilization of those energies anyway and i find that really interesting within people that are always talking about like like heroes gamos type frameworks and oh like this is happening and he's anchoring and he wants her and they want to be united like no i think you want to be united like it's a lot of like the story that gets attached is like a projection field it doesn't mean there isn't like aspects of truth but 

We romanticize the feminine and masculine merging as if it is some sort of like romantic relationship. It's the way that we do it in the same sense. And we create like mother, father, God to be like parents. And we look to them as parents. It's like, yes, but no. And we really humanize the relationships. We create these relationships. We project the human relationships onto cosmic energies and it doesn't work that way. And the minute we do that, we're going to distort the way that we're engaging with them. So if we're speaking about spiritual androgyny, we need to be experiencing it somatically and having a visceral understanding of what those energies feel like merged. And that's kind of where we need to be as a whole. We're very... 

locked in on the way that i get confirmation the way that i know i locate myself in truth is by having like visual seeing like i can connect with guides i can connect with memories and stories we like to have a lot of like visual input and stimulus that is reaffirming to us that can be really distracting from being um like seeing blind or like walking blind and allowing the body to really be speaking the truth. And that's been a big part of my experience is that my vision doesn't show me, um, like collective memories or specific realms. I work in like the back end I see like the, the coding underneath the realms. And it was always a sore point for me. I was like, Oh, I'm not accessing 

I'm very open, but like, why am I not accessing into these spaces until it became really apparent that like, it can be really distracting. And if you're needing to work with like re-encrypting and recoding, working with like pure templating, sometimes memories can be disruptive. Sometimes working with like the visual field can be disruptive. So bringing it back into somatically processing and being able to have the cellular activation of what those energies are, is like a really like high fidelity experience. Like you're just shifting the way that you're tuning the system and the way that you're receiving truth. So it's just a unified experience of the cosmic energies. And I could go into that and like fluff it and like elaborate, but I don't think it really needs it. I think we're, again, we're like moving away from 

the center point when we're doing that. I just want to say to people, drop in, go into zero point, feel your body, that spiritual androgyny, breathe that through, allow that to stabilize your system and then return there as much as possible and operate from that space that's it it's not it's not complex we overcomplicate it or we desire the story that like frills it and makes it beautiful. And we're beautifying creatures. We need story, but sometimes we also need to pull the story back a little bit. I love that we got into the specific way that you connect with your own capacity as a quantum mechanic, because I feel like we can kind of flatten our projection around what that means and that there's only one way to work with 

the quantum. And so it's really, I just am reflecting that it's really fascinating. And I loved hearing about your specific manner of, of working, um, with quantum embodiment. And I, yeah, just in a great appreciation of the way that you, um, move quite surgically, you know, there's a kind of an element of like holy reclamation around, um, yeah, this kind of deeply penetrative element that I think has been, yeah, again, another framework, but the kind of the, you know, medical industrial complex and the way that it has coded our consciousness to fear penetration and to fear that kind of like standing in the light of truth and receiving recodes. And so there's just a real sense of inherent safety and how you work and move. And that's from experiencing a session with you and as well as I have a beautiful audio transmission with some quantum architecture that I'm going to revisit after this episode and just being a light with your codes. But I'm curious, Sheena, do you have anything to ask Jade? Do you like to jump in? 

Well, I wanted to just reflect too on the story sometimes being distracting or the visual being distracting. And I receive that messaging a lot within my own work that it's the story that it can be really helpful because it allows us to move through energies and to work with them. If we're doing so consciously, we're, We're not going to get stuck. We're going to process and be in harmony with that journey. But it's not always necessary. And sometimes it can be distracting because of that charge. We can get stuck in that. And if we're not needing to hold that within this expression or this experience, or it's time to move forward, or maybe the shift in our architecture doesn't allow for that story to be held anymore, the charge can be more harmful than anything. And I like how you explained using the word spiritual androgyny, because as you're speaking into the central pillar and being in the zero point, I kind of see that as a unification. And of course we romanticize 

the union of the feminine and masculine or the polarities, because it's quite beautiful. It is beautiful. And, and it is, there is so much, I feel collective desire to have that unification. But if we get stuck in the story around that, then it creates, I guess what I want to say is Through your words and how you're speaking to it. I'm seeing how there can be these. Like leaks within the energetic field there within, within somebody who's really stuck in that story or with any of us that is stuck in the story. And. Yeah, that just dropped. Yeah. Yeah. I think it, like, I personally believe it comes down to individual templating as well. But depending on how you're supposed to weave your medicine and how you're going to interact with the fields is going to, like, very much exactly that. Like, it's going to dictate your relationship to that and your need to have story or your need to be more, like, methodical and surgical for me I 

It's kind of like I love creating story, but I don't need story. Like I don't need story to process. I very much work in like pure coding. And I think story to me would be like too messy, too much, like too much material there. I like the surgical element of being in that coding, in that sort of like substrate, in like the walls and like the underneath and everything. Whereas for someone else, they're going to require so much more of that direct experience with those realms, with those lineages, with those storylines, with those arcs. And that's their piece. They genuinely require it. And it's why I think it's really important for people to be made aware of recognizing their own templating and what their own needs are. 

Because as you said, Alyssa, it's like we can really flatten the experience of, oh, if I'm activating or embodying this, it means like I'm experiencing this realm in this way. Or like this dimensional layer is connected to this lineage and this frequency. Therefore, my experience of that should be these things. I have never experienced other dimensions the way that they are written about. And the way that they are spoken about by most people. It's just not my experience at all. Because I'm not in them. I'm like in the walls of them. If that makes sense. So it's not my piece to be in those spaces. And to be having that experience. It would detract away from my function. And through my design. For other people they very much need to be imbued in that. And there's no like... 

There is literally no hierarchy within that because there are times where I'm like, I would love to be there. I would love to be in that experience and having that story, but I honour the truth for me. And so I want to just make that clear that I'm not dismissing having story. I think it's really dependent on who you are as an individual, but also with the caveat of being aware of not to be like sucked into the story and feeling like you need to pressurise people that experience if it's not true for you and you're just creating projection fields. Because I think for a long time that's what i did. I was like so desperate to have these experiences that i i can very much create any sort of holographic pocket that i want. It's like you as quantum beings, you can. So you have to be able to distinguish between the difference of creating a holographic pocket that you're just projecting yourself into to have that experience 

or having the real interaction with those realms. Yeah, I love that. Earlier you were speaking about your medicine and I wanted to, as you were talking about your playing with language and how you sometimes have problems tried to simplify it, I suppose. It's not your words, but as you were speaking about that, I was being shown my own experience with your language. And even just what I shared earlier about how reading something that you've shared on your journey with motherhood, even though you didn't speak any of the details, I felt seen. And the reason for that is because it's encoded. Your embodied experience is encoded and it is that living transmission. And it is, that is part of your medicine. And if you were to simplify that, you would be kind of, for lack of better way of saying it, dumbing it down. And yes, it might be too much for some people, or it might in some situations or scenarios or whatever it is, like they, 

There's a moment where maybe that's not for me. Maybe I'm not ready to receive the full encoding there. And that's okay. But that doesn't mean you have to show up any less right. Thank you. Are we needing to wrap up? Is it time? I was keeping track of it, but you said 11, your time. 11 o'clock. i can go like 10, 15 more. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I had one thing and then we can kind of, I'd love to also then open up a space for you to talk about how people can find you, how people can work with you, what are your current offerings um but i love something that you shared that connects up with what you were sharing just then, I think before we hit record about um you know, so in recognition of all of the uh varied templates that we, 

and body, all of it is needed as part of this, this earth project. And I love that you were speaking into your view of our role on earth and how we're co-dreaming with the earth and that we're not kind of meant to just ascend out. Like we're not just meant to evolve out and like leave earth behind. I'd love for you to speak into that. Um, and then we can flow into the next. Yeah. Um, Coming from the Ascension community background, I think Ascension is quite a broad label, but specifically speaking to the bifurcation narratives and ascending, descending timeline, and that the earth body was like, or this dimension was a descending space, and that ultimately that was just going to be this entropic experience that implodes on itself. 

that's like the narrative, the kind of context that I'd come from. And that was really dismantling within myself because I found it like, I just hated it. I just, I really reached a point where I felt like it was, it was disrespectful. I just felt this like very strong sense that that was not a truth for me. So I, I shared with you both like prior to us recording that the birth injury and that led me back to my sort of like my mission and working with the medicine and coinciding with that and quantum regenerative technology was understanding that we are here to work with the earth body and that there isn't part of that ascension, which is just like the accretion and the 

like activation embodiment of higher frequencies. It doesn't necessarily have to do with anything of leaving a space. It's to do with like what can be held in the body and embodied um a lot of that is connected to the earth templating being restored. And we hear this a lot, but um it gets really, it gets confusing with different narratives. Like what are we doing? People are always talking about, ascending leaving planet you have people that are speaking about this being a foreign matrix you constantly being exposed to language about like the cabal and power you know powers to be that are manipulating the reality fields here in consciousness and it can be hard to locate yourself and to know what that means as a human and what that means for how you're embodying yourself and the trajectory of that but 

I feel like since I've been returning back into the seat of myself, a really strong deepening with the relationship with the earth body and to the degree where in recent times, the physical body and the earth body are really calibrating as one system. And we know this, that like the templating connects into each other, but there is always an original intact template. even within something that is like corrupted that's why you can physically regenerate that's why you can regenerate anything because the original blueprint is still intact and if you move back to that layer of creation you can restore it back through to the form so it's the same thing within the earth body is going in and uncovering and accessing and interfacing with the original blueprint and bringing that back through 

the layers of creation through the morphogenetic fields into the actual expression of the form and the way that this field, this dimensional plane is going to be recoded and re-encrypted. So I don't, yeah, I really don't believe in like a descending space. I think that I have a lot of I have a strong sense of even if this was to be like a descending plane, I'd stay here and I'd choose to incarnate until the end anyway. Like I, I'm, I'm content with that. I don't need to gallivant off. Um, big part of my experience is being able to be outside time anyway. Like I know the experience of being completely formless very well. And I enjoy being in form. I enjoy joy being here and i think that we have a responsibility to hear and to the consciousness forms that are here um you know like even the trees the trees are really coming back to life and the network the way that they communicate through the earth body is really powerful so all of these like these ways in which the consciousness moves through the ley lines through these kind of um mycelium networks through the trees is 

activating we're seeing shifts within the earth body itself like these um like geometrical cavernous um how do i word it just corrections i guess that is like supporting these like tonal reverberations within the planetary body and that we're seeing that mirrored through our body and through our like cavernous like cavities and the way that we allow tones and sound to move and reverberate through our body So we're seeing these like really beautiful shifts. And I think that that's just going to continue. And ultimately, like you do, you do get to like play out the reality that you're holding, that you're working towards and you're weaving. So the more that you weave in this like corrective, corrective, regenerative experience with the earth body, the more you experience that as a feedback loop and the more you come into deep communication and telepathy with the aspects of her and the more you kind of start to attune to being a collaborator with that. 

So it's one of those funny things with consciousness is you get to locate and position yourself. And then once you position yourself, you're always going to create and stabilize a field that supports that reality. And that's why people who are having these bifurcating narratives and working with that material, it is a truth for them. Their reality is coded to that. And their body is responding to that. The DNA is activating in a certain way that is... going to support that trajectory. So again, it comes down to a metal matter of personal integrity and knowing what your truth is because you have to be wary of where you're positioning yourself because you will code yourself to that reality. Yeah. Yes. it's powerful. I feel like that's a beautiful place to invite people into connecting with you. Where can we 

uh find you are you offering I know you were offering continuum the 12-month container is that ongoing yeah so we just finished the continuum it ended up being just over six months and it was really beautiful I I set it as 12 months and then we like if it needs to finish sooner it will and it ran its course and it was really lovely it was a very like experimental space um And part of the reason why I like creating long containers is for experimentation. I'm not really a facilitator that's like, this is the curriculum. This is what we're doing. Sit down, do your homework. I'm like, so in the fields, when I was outside time, I was experiencing this and I want to bring this in and I want to see what that's like when you implement it. How do you experience it? What does that do? So we become these like... 

More of a team, like, working with different threads. But in terms of working with me at the moment, I have my long-term one-on-one containers, so my mentorship containers. I have space for people in those at the moment. And I'm just about to open up my single sessions again. I haven't had the capacity the past two years to be working with, like, a lot of different people. But I've just felt recently, like, the call to drop back into that because I'm missing... the interaction with different people, different bodies, different energies. So I'll be getting that up and running this week it will probably be up and running before you release this. And then, um, I have like a mini course this week, but that won't be out. Like this will be released after that. But yeah, I am, the plan is to offer 

a course coming out soon on the living, being a living transmission. So I'm sitting with that and I'm like working the structure for that at the moment, but I'm really excited because I wanting to bring people into a space of spiritual androgyny, like zero point becoming living transmission and working their coding and their medicine. So that's like a watch this space to be like advised at some point. Yeah. beautiful well we will link to your website and your instagram in the show notes so people can find you and is there anything else that we didn't ask that you feel like wants to come through or that you wish we would have asked yeah that feels pretty good um yeah i'm just appreciative for being here and having a discussion um i'm very much in my own little bubble um 

And so it's really nice to like come out occasionally and be a human and interact with other women. So I'm thankful for that experience. And I'm thankful to be able to have the discussion with you, with you both. It's just lovely to be speaking about these things in a field where it's like received and in resonance and held because so much of my reality is me doing the speaking and having to hold, hold that field as well, instead of being a, field that's already like held and supportive and like recognizes is really relaxing to my nervous system. So I'm appreciative of that. Oh, it's beautiful. Beautiful feedback. We're so grateful to have you here. It's an honor and a pleasure. And thank you all for tuning in and we will see you next time.