Episode 1 - What Floats Your Boat

In the inaugural episode of Upon Further Inspection, hosts Branden Stucky and Greg Alvarado kick things off with a conversation about their journeys in mechanical integrity and why this podcast exists. 

From the power of mentorship to the future of technology, they chat about what’s shaping the reliability and inspection world. They also explore how the industry continues to balance safety, environmental responsibility, and profitability. It’s an honest, insightful start to a series built on sharing knowledge and elevating the people behind the work.

00:00 Introduction to the Podcast

00:41 Meet the Hosts: Branden and Greg

02:04 Branden's Journey into Mechanical Integrity

07:27 The Role of Technology in Mechanical Integrity

10:41 Challenges and Future of the Industry

18:23 Goals and Vision for the Podcast

31:21 Conclusion and Final Thoughts 

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Episode Acronyms & Abbreviations

• API - American Petroleum Institute (USA)
• CML - condition monitoring locations
• ERP - enterprise resource planning
• OSHA - Occupational Safety & Health Administration (USA)
• PSM - process safety management (USA)
• RBI - risk-based inspection
• ROI - return on investment

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Transcript

Branden Stucky 0:00

Welcome to the very first episode of Upon Further Inspection on Mechanical Integrity Podcast. I'm Branden from CorrSolutions. With me is Greg Alvarado from Inspectioneering. Before we start diving into the industry, we figured it's only fair to introduce ourselves, who we are, how we got here, and why we started this podcast. So sit back, get comfortable, and let's kick things off we call

Greg Alvarado 0:39

this our inaugural podcast?

Branden Stucky 0:41

I think, I think inaugural is probably the better answer. Probably our, our inaugural one. But yeah, so this is it. This is, this is upon further inspection. So Greg, good having you. Nice seeing you. It's been been a while coming, trying to get this, to get this going. But luckily we've been able to. Work through a few things, some technical difficulties, a few, few other things happening, but we've, we are finally able to sit down and put together the, the first inaugural podcast episode of, of Upon Further Inspection. Thanks for, thanks for joining me today.

Greg Alvarado 1:21

Well, thanks for inviting me. I think it was a great idea you had, Branden. I mean, we're not chasing scratch, but we're chasing something here. And and I hope this winds up being a, a, a really educative and fun experience for everybody that joins us. So Branden, tell me how, how did you get started in this world of mechanical integrity? In in this industry.

Branden Stucky 1:47

I just lucked into it honestly. I was, I was at a school career fair. I started here, right outta school actually, and I was at a career fair. I saw I had already gone through, I don't know how many different lines standing, talking to people, talking to recruiters, selling myself and ended up. As I was like walking out, there was this guy standing there, just this big giant person of a man, and he's standing next to this booth that's got a TV monitor and says, equity engineering. And I was like, I don't know what this is, but it's engineering. I'll go talk to the guy. And so I go up to him and, and it was the most, looking back, it was the most ridiculous thing ever. I, I, I said, so what, what do you guys even do? Which looking back now is kind of a funny que funny question because, you know, when you're out on the road and you're talking with pe people, especially with equity, you know, a lot of people don't understand all the different things that equity does do. And so for me as a, as a college kid, to go up to, to the guy and say, what, what do you guys even do? He was very nice. He was very polite. He didn't have to be this was this was Ryan Jones though at the time, and you and I both know Ryan and, uh Right. A, a a super great guy. Really nice. And, and so he was very, very patient with me and explained to me everything, and I said, well, I'm looking for, I'm looking for an internship. And he goes, well, I'm sorry. We're, we're looking for new hires. I go, okay. But he gave me his card and I kept it, I put it in my, I had a, I had a Ford Escape. That thing was great. I could work on it all day. Never mess anything up. I had it, I put it in the, in the, the one of the little compartments there. And a year later when I was looking for jobs. I didn't wanna be a process engineer, so I'm a chemical engineer. I didn't wanna be a process engineer. So I, I interviewed with Turner Construction. I interviewed with Bloomberg to go be an analyst in New York. I, I even interviewed with Teach for America, thought I wanted to go be a teacher. I still wouldn't mind being a teacher, honestly. But ended up. Ended up coming across his card and and there was a, there was a posting there. I ended up finding a job posting reached out and yeah, I mean the rest was kind of history. Came in and worked as an RBI engineer for a little bit. And then, then January of 2020, thought I was gonna go travel the world and I moved into sales. It was gonna be the best job ever. I'm gonna go, go meet everybody.'cause I like, I like talking with people. I like meeting people. I like seeing different areas of the world. And you know, obviously lockdown happened and quarantine, so ended up on Zoom calls and teams calls and. But I, you know what, in doing that, you know, I tried to figure out what can I, what can I take from this? And so I tried to learn as much as I could as I was talking with people about the programs that they were developing and the different pieces that they were trying to put together. And then yeah, eventually ended up leading, leading our, our core solutions team now. So just over the years trying to talk with people, learn more and, and be able to. Provide the best, best level of service that I could. So yeah, honestly, I got into this world just by happenstance. Literally walking, walking past somebody and starting a conversation. So

Greg Alvarado 5:13

that's not, what are the things that like now, I mean, that's a great background and today, what are the things that float your boat? What are the things that you're passionate about in your job?

Branden Stucky 5:24

Yeah, you know, I think, I think I. Pushing, pushing for us to start this conversation right here is kind of, I think the crux of all of it. Uh mm-hmm. For, for me. For me it's, it's really trying to share knowledge. So my background, right? I, I talked about all the, the way I got here, but I also spent nine years coaching baseball at the college level. And, and so the, the coaching piece, the sharing knowledge, the learning and sharing knowledge, that whole piece is really important to me. I think that developing developing the younger groups, the, the newer age groups. It, it's something that can't be forgotten. And so for me, yes, our company, our group, we do, we do asset and tech, mechanical integrity, and we help people develop their programs. But like, that's just a piece of it for me. For me, the other side of it is trying to help spread knowledge, keep people safe and do what we can to help. Develop the younger people so that they can be solid, contributing individuals at whatever it is they end up doing. So for me, the goal of the goal of us having these conversations and, and starting this is, is to be able to, to do exactly that. Be able to, to talk with you, talk with other people, and pull information out out of people's brains so that it can be disseminated to, to everybody. That's, I mean, that's really my goal with, with anything is trying to be able to, to share knowledge.

Greg Alvarado 7:00

Yeah. One of the things I really enjoy about working with you, Branden, is you're also, you also have a thirst for new technology. And I see you, you know, implementing new technology in, in different areas, in different ways and in the group core solutions that you have responsibility for. Naturally he's doing a lot of work in statistics and, you know, one of the buzzwords of today or phrases is CML optimization and all that kind of stuff, but what are the things about what you're doing right now that really make you excited from a technology standpoint? What, where do you think we're going with technology? What, what can we do today and what are we on the vert to being able to do tomorrow?

Branden Stucky 7:41

You know, when. Yesterday in, in the last couple weeks as I've been thinking about kind of how we were gonna get this started this, this was actually something I was kind of thinking about. My, my hot take on, on the future for technology is actually that I think virtual reality doesn't have a place that's my hot take in, in our industry. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I, I think that, I think that for design and project work. Maybe there's a place for it, but where I really think there's a, a, a, a place moving forward is augmented reality. And so, so the augmented reality is, is where, let's say you have a right, like you and I wear glasses, right? And, and the ability to look at something and something to show up on that gla on the, on the lens that tells you about what you're looking at. So I think Google Glass has this, or meta people, people have these, right? I think that that augmented reality. The other example would be like for, I don't know if this resonates with you, but Pokemon Go. So it's an app on your phone and you can walk around and you turn your camera on and you can, you can point your phone at like a tree. And next to that tree, there'll be a little Pokemon on your phone. Obviously not in real life, right? But on your phone there's a little Pokemon that's augmented reality where it takes the ability to take a video or, or, or something that you're seeing and add to it. I think there's a huge place for that in our industry as, as you start looking at offshore. As you look at midstream with a lot of their remote facilities, the ability to send one person out in the field and have multiple people call in and see what they're seeing at the same time and be able to provide insights back, I think, I think that that's gonna be something that's gonna be useful. Or even if it's somebody that you can send out in the field. And if they're looking at the plant and having their systems or their circuits overlaid on the piping now that's like, we're, we're definitely not close to that happening. But think about it, when you're walking through and you're looking at the pipe rack and you're trying to figure out where does that line come from? Where does it go? And, and, and all the little bends and turns that happen that, oh, you get confused and now you're following the wrong piece. I, I, I think augmented reality has, has a future for us. What about, what about you? What do you think of the future of technology?

Greg Alvarado 10:14

Well, I, I think we have some challenges and one of those is that sometimes we get moving so far forward that we forget about what was behind us and. What did we learn from that? And you know, I've been in this business since that fixed equipment, reliability, industrial process industries since the mid seventies. And I've seen a lot, you know, I've seen OSHA come along in the early nineties. I had the pleasure of working for some awesome corrosion materials, engineering people and chemist in the early days. And one of the things that. I'd like to see, and maybe this is an augmented reality thing, maybe it's something else, but I really, I really think that in this industry is missing mentoring. People have become so busy, you don't see people mentoring anymore. And I don't know, I, I don't believe you can just replace that with ai and, and write in line with mentoring. Is contextualization is context. And you know, I, I recently posted something on LinkedIn that's got some really good time or a lot of coverage on, on the internet, but is about how important context, the context of what we do is, you know, I I framed it with talking with my son Tyler, a discussion we had years ago and I asked him, well, what he thought was more important, the spirit of the law or the letter of the law. And I've been on the API committee since 87 and been involved in, you know, 5 10, 5 70 RBI stuff, you know, damage mechanisms, other things, and what the people that aren't in the room when we're debating these different standards and recommended practices. What they don't get is the context of, of why around the arguments and the debates and. And how these things were brought up. And so I think, I think we're gonna be challenged, you know, where, where I think AI is a great tool. There are some things yet that it can't do, and I don't, I don't know how it's gonna pass along context. So that's where I think something like you were just talking about, this visualization in context is what you're talking about? Could be, could be some cool to help with that. I just hope we don't lose it. You know, like one of the books that I love going back to is called Wealth of Nations. It was written by Adam Smith. A lot of people consider him the godfather of capitalism. Our free enterprise, and what he says is that a business has no conscience. The basic purpose of a business is to return maximum profit to the shareholders, and that it's the organization and or the laws, whether they're city, county, state, federal, whatever. Those are the things that have to impose limits on the free enterprise. Otherwise, you wind up with sweatshops like we had, you know, way back when in the us but we still have sweatshops around the world where, you know, greed can take hold and I. What I like about working in the, in the realm of reliability and mechanical integrity is, is putting the safety of the people working in the plants and the communities that surround these facilities. Number one and environmental responsibility number two, and fiduciary responsibility number three, and realizing, see in the old days, and I saw this in the whole transition, especially when OSHA came along with the PSM, the process safety management Rule 1910. Point one nine back in the early nineties is a lot of management got afraid. Oh, they're gonna tie our hands and now we're gonna have to do all this useless, unnecessary stuff because of osha. But it was at that same time because some forward people thinking, people saw it coming. When API put out a bid. For facilitating development of risk-based inspection technology. And that was back in like 91. And so they saw this performance based standard coming and people were dreading a prescriptive type of rule, which is not what happened, it's performance based. But now you gotta realize that RBI is a very holistic way to approach issues and you know, making people accountable. So. You know, going back to Adam Smith and you know, to his credit too, he's the guy that came up with Separational labor, with our division of labor, which was very important especially, you know, for automobile making and other things, but anything really divisional labor. That was another thing just wanted to mention, but really it goes back to safety, environmental responsibility, reliability, and, and what I wanna say is that they're not mutually exclusive. And what I see over time is that the far what I believe are the forward thinking producers who are of the, you know, Hey, let's not strangle the goose to get the last golden egg out of it. Instead, let's nurture the goose. Let's take care of it so we can get a lot of golden eggs. So instead of being shortsighted and greedy, they're being more long sided, sided and making decisions. For the health of the organization to continue being profitable and learning how to balance all these things, learning how they all fit together so that we can be safe, we can be environmentally responsible and make a profit. So, you know, that's kind of what I, and we're still struggling with that. Right? Because I think a big thing that I'll say personally for me, and maybe this will cause some debate out there, is automation. You know, we've got all these software programs out there now, like asset performance management, software applications that are supposed to help us be more effective, be more efficient, and I say it that way because sometimes you know how engineers are we, you guys can work on, you wanna be efficient, efficient, efficient. The problem is if you're not effective first, you might just be doing the wrong thing faster. So it's important that we have the SMEs engaged and, and what I was gonna say is these asset performance management automation programs that are out there, they make a lot of promises but they really have to be stewarded and implemented properly. And I think that's a big challenge for the industry. You know, if you, if you listen to the McKenzies and the Ernst and Youngs and the Deloittes, and the Accentures and all these guys is the greatest stuff since sliced bread, and yeah, you're gonna spend X amount of dollars and you're gonna get a 5,000 x return for doing it. I never hear the people come back talking about getting the 5,000 x. They seem like they're still struggling just to really get these systems up and running and where they're user friendly. And they're being adopted and implemented fully and taken advantage of by the people in the plant. So that's, that's what I see realistically as still a big big challenge for us going forward.

Branden Stucky 17:31

So like any new endeavor at this point, we unfortunately experienced a small technical difficulty. And so we had a call it quits for the day. However today's a new day and we are starting back up, hopefully somewhere near where we left off, and are continuing our conversation forward. What is, what is your goal with these, with, with, with this endeavor? What is your goal with this endeavor?

Greg Alvarado 18:02

Right?

Branden Stucky 18:04

I mean, what is it?

Greg Alvarado 18:06

Well, my goal with this. Is to cover topics that are important to people running facilities today. Oil and gas, petrochemical, upstream, downstream, midstream related to fixed equipment, reliability, and mechanical integrity. So that means it's gonna cover the gamut. It's gonna, when I say mechanical integrity, most people conjure up the notion of compliance with regulators. When I say reliability. It's satisfying. The business side of it is how do we be profitable? So it's like, how do we be profitable without hurting or killing people? And I believe that those are both achievable. They're not mutually exclusive. Yeah. And, and, and we gotta overcome, we gotta give management the ammunition they need. Because in the old days, and maybe it's still today, somewhat, is management feels like compliance is an albatross. You know, it's like, like a slug. It's like, yeah, let's, you know, we have to do compliance. We're gonna spend a lot of money, wasting money on compliance. But what we really want to do is keep as many pounds flowing through the pipe as possible, because that's profitability, especially because things are so competitive.

Branden Stucky 19:24

Right.

Greg Alvarado 19:25

So, but also, but also keeping cover,

Branden Stucky 19:27

yeah. And also keeping the safety piece in there, right? Like

Greg Alvarado 19:30

Absolutely.

Branden Stucky 19:31

You know, we can be, yeah, we can be profitable, we can be profitable, but we can also, you know, make sure that we're doing it in a responsible way.

Greg Alvarado 19:39

Absolutely.

Branden Stucky 19:40

Yeah. Yeah. And so, so for me, my goal with this endeavor is, is to try and share as much knowledge as we can. For, for me, it's for people that are out there in the industry, sharing, sharing stories, sharing tidbits, little pieces. If there's something that if, if we bring somebody on on the show or if we have a conversation between us and it provides even the slightest amount of value to somebody, whether it's in their personal development, somebody up and coming and being able to grow themselves or take a little piece and think differently about something. Or if it's something that some type of manager or inspector or somebody had that they're able to take away and they're able to run their operation in a safer way or in a smarter way. That's something that I'm interested in providing back. And then just the humanizing point, like there's a lot of names and there's a lot of people that you and I both know. That we see one side of'em, but everybody else doesn't, maybe, doesn't see that, or it's just a, it's a name. It's somebody that's up on a pedestal and, and humanizing a lot of the people in this industry and helping people realize that. Like, you can be that person too. Yeah. There, you know, everybody, everybody's just a person. You. So like That's right. So you can be that person too. Because they are, as my daughter says, they're a human, they're all humans. You know, we're, we're all people. Yeah. So I mean, that's, that's what I'm looking to get out of this.

Greg Alvarado 21:13

You Yeah. And, and when you look at the, the continuum, the whole thing, it's like why do refineries and petrochemical plants and upstream and downstream oil and gas facilities exist? And it's to improve life for humans. The, it's ultimately it's about delivering products that help us enjoy the best way of living. Yeah. It's not for the sake of technology or for the sake of plastics or oil or gas. It's for people.

Branden Stucky 21:48

Yeah.

Greg Alvarado 21:48

Right. Yeah. I mean, that's the end game.

Branden Stucky 21:51

They're the, they're the final cons. They're the final customer. Right. We talk about internal external customers and sales. You know, they're, they're the, the, the people, the general public is the final customer. The end customer. That's right. Yeah. I get people all the time. They're like, are you concerned with where oil and gas is going? Do you think that it's gonna go away? No, it's not gonna go away. It's not gonna go away. We're, we're too right now, especially, at least for the next 20 years. It's too ingrained in the things that we do there. If, if, if the world is moving towards. Lith lithium ions and batteries, that's fine, but there's, there's still plastic and so people will just pivot on what they're developing. We'll see refineries reconfiguring and moving more towards the plastics, if that's the way that the market is gonna go. We we're gonna see that happen. We already see it with some of the companies out there selling, selling off the refining assets and staying mainly in chemicals or selling off chemicals and move. They're taking bets on whichever way they think the market's gonna go, but. Once the market makes a move and that happens, we'll see all of these companies pivot to the way that provides money. Right. It's again, it's all about, it's, it's that profit piece. They have to continue to show value back to their shareholders.

Greg Alvarado 23:04

Exactly. I mean, even if you look at the nuclear industry and how that's going through a renaissance and you know, a reemergence because of the amount of energy that it can produce. Still though, at the end of the day, I love the energy transfer commercial. I think it was on during the la, not this past Super Bowl with the previous one. But you know, it showed this lady who was pregnant and her water broke and she was having to go to the hospital and she got there. It was like, well, what if we didn't have oil and gas and they walked into the room and there's nothing there.

Branden Stucky 23:41

Yeah.

Greg Alvarado 23:41

Right. And then it Have you, did you see that one?

Branden Stucky 23:45

I did. Yeah. And

Greg Alvarado 23:45

then it all fills in when the oil and gas comes in. I mean, I. Like it or not. I mean, that's the reality.

Branden Stucky 23:53

Yeah.

Greg Alvarado 23:53

All these products, you know, medical products, our clothes, our homes, our cars, everything is in one way or another, dependent upon hydrocarbons. And we play a pivotal role in that in mechanical integrity and fixed equipment reliability. So we wanna protect the people in the plants. We wanna protect the people in the communities around the plants. We wanna protect the environments and there are ways for everybody to be happy at the end of the day, right? To, to see this. And that's what I hope we're able to impart in these series of podcasts through our different guests is you know, stories on how, how to get your heads around this and, and how to use them. And the other thing too is how not to abuse them.'cause you know, in the earlier discussion I mentioned about automation, you know, there's all these cool software programs and, you know, we got ai, we've got these enterprise programs for managing assets and businesses and everything. But this is tough. I mean, things are moving at breakneck speed. Technology's moving at breakneck speed and it's hard for people to all the time get their heads around this stuff. And, and let's face it, I was. I'll say this in a nice way, but there's overly aggressive salesmen out there and, and I'm hoping we can help add some sanity to this are some common sense to this and say, yeah, this technology and everything is great. It has a lot of promise. We just gotta apply it responsibly and with common sense and to make sure that another thing is about unqualified people making decisions'cause. A lot of times you don't know what you don't know. And, and I think that our, or I hope that in the course of these podcasts and our discussions, it'll help everybody get a better handle on this stuff.

Branden Stucky 25:50

Well, that, I mean, that's a big point, right? Consumer education is a huge thing. You know, when, when any of these new technologies, even, even just in conversations I have with people about RBI. You know, you get people that are like, oh, we want RBI this, well, there's a, there's a certain level of consumer education that has to occur when we start talking about CML optimization again. The technology behind those things. Consumer education that has to occur. Same thing, even at those low levels, same thing can happen at the higher level as well. Educating the overall public or the consumer around these different concepts and ideas. And that again, that we can, we can operate profitably, but we can also be responsible about it.

Greg Alvarado 26:30

Yeah. And exactly. And when we're, like, for instance, in the case of automation, these enterprise systems that are hooking up with. The ERPs, like, SAP and Oracle and so forth. What we, what we need, not forget, are the people charged with implementing this stuff. So we talk about all this technology, but are you thinking about work processes in the field? Are you thinking about how user friendly it is? I mean, yeah, they're disruptive technologies, but the juice has gotta be worth the squeeze. Right? There's,

Branden Stucky 27:08

there's so much more that goes into it, right? We're we can sell these things to, to the upper levels, but there's all the other pieces that, that, that trickle down to, to the frontline forces that, that nobody, nobody at that high, high level understands or sees. You can bring that software piece in, but how are we gonna get information in? How are we gonna get the data in? How does, what's the workflow? Right? All those things that you said. That, that's, that's not what's being sold. What's being sold is, is the, the big picture. And that's great. The big picture is really important, but we can't forget about how it, how it affects the day-to-day operations and Yeah. Okay. We can say, oh, it's gonna help everybody. That's a sales thing. You gotta really set it up and be forward thinking about how you operate, how you set it up so that it can help on the day to day.

Greg Alvarado 27:55

Yeah. And, and one of the things I see us lacking is I. Lacking in is that, that, and again, not to so much pick on automation, but they come in with these grandiose promises of, boy, if you spend this money to implement our system, it's gonna save you a gazillion dollars. Is anybody going back and saying, okay, we implemented these systems. What's the ROI been? What have we seen? What have the results been? You know,

Branden Stucky 28:29

I, I don't think we're far enough in, right. I think, I think all of those, I think for when we're talking automation and those, those types of efforts, I, I don't think we're far enough in to actually be able to show that I. For, for the big picture, we can sit there and say, oh yeah, this last two months, you know, we saved X number. But that's not the big picture, I think, I think people are still learning and figuring out. That's why, that's why I don't think virtual reality is something that's gonna be a long, a long term value adder for, for the, the people in the plant. I don't think, I just don't see it. Because I don't, I don't think that it's something that's gonna show that level of return. I think that that augmented reality, like we talked about, I think that shows value, that shows return. But some of these other things that are already in place, i, I, I think it's still too new for them to really be able to report back on.

Greg Alvarado 29:20

Yeah, I, well, I agree. I agree with you on the automation, but on the technology side, let me give you an example. So years ago. We may have done RBI and we did on thousands of heat exchangers, let's say, and I'm talking 20 years ago almost, has anybody gone back and said, what kind of reliability improvements have we seen? Are we getting fewer leaks per year? I mean, it's been long enough on that stuff, probably.

Branden Stucky 29:54

Probably, yeah. Right. We've been through a couple turnaround cycles.

Greg Alvarado 29:57

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, RBI now has been around an API, we pretty much shoved off in the late nineties,

Branden Stucky 30:06

so 20, 25, 30 years. Yeah.

Greg Alvarado 30:09

Yeah, that's been a long time ago. So who's reporting on what results we've seen as a result? You know.

Branden Stucky 30:17

I, I haven't, I haven't seen, or I, I, I don't know of these. I mean, I would hope, and I'm gonna guess that probably some of our, our larger facilities and our larger companies are, are maybe keeping track of that internally. But I, I don't, I don't know. I, I don't have any, I don't have any knowledge.

Greg Alvarado 30:34

Yeah, I'd like to think so. You know, and then when we talk about things like CML optimization and stuff like that. Okay. We started kind of toying around with that. Some years back, but hopefully we'll begin to start seeing some results from that and what the ROI has been from that

Branden Stucky 30:53

for sure. For sure. But yeah. Greg, I'm excited for this, this whole endeavor. You know, as we've said, it's, it's been a little, little time coming, but I'm, I'm excited. Every time we talk about it, every time we hop on and, and, and have a conversation about it, it gets me more and more excited to, to get more people on here and get their thoughts and, and continue to, to, to drive the, the thought process in this space.

Greg Alvarado 31:18

Yeah, me too. Looking forward to it, Branden. I hope everybody else is, and. And I hope they let us know, you know, our make recommendations about people to interview. I know we've already got a pretty good list, but there's more to come and technology, like I said, like it's developing at breakneck speed.

Branden Stucky 31:37

It is. It really is. Yep. Yep. So, all right, Greg, we, till next time, we'll talk to you.

Greg Alvarado 31:43

Sounds good, Branden. Have a good one, buddy.

31:46

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