Phreak Klass Season 1 Episode 7 Guest: Dr. Chuck Morris

Phaidra talks with Dr. Chuck Morris, founder of Midtown Biohack, a private wellness, human performance, and nervous system recovery studio located in Midtown Manhattan, New York City. Midtown Biohack combines data-driven diagnostics, AI-powered adaptive resistance equipment, electrical muscle stimulation (EMS), and specialized recovery protocols. 

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SPEAKER_01 0:20

In your house, add a DM, in your star, add a startup, so we thank you, sort of detailed. My guest today has been described as Google for scientists, so to speak, or as strategists. If you ask me, that describes the most important part of this. The data I go is funny as creational and visionary. He keeps focused on the goal to help all of us work to recover faster from training and competition. He is the originator of the term Confierted Wellness, which describes perfectly the baseball programs he puts together tailored to the needs of each individual. To present to some and to introduce to others one of the most important parts of my team, my friend and founder of Midtown BioHack, Dr. Chuck Morris. Dr. Chuck, welcome to my podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Z Original PK. Listen, as soon as you get done with the fighting, I want you to just come follow me around and do my introduction everywhere I go. I got you.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

I got you. I got you. I mean, Larry, Larry, you know, my my PR person and good friend is is is I gotta get credit. He has he has been a really large part of helping me create these intros. And so you got it. I got you. Larry and I got you. There you go. Awesome. Listen, I almost don't know where to start with you, right? Like you do a lot. I thought I did a lot, you do a lot. And just reading your bio would take more time than we've allotted for this show. But why don't you take a few minutes to give our listeners a snapshot? Tell us how you got your initial training that has led you to working as a high performance coach with thousands of elite athletes, including league MVPs, Super Bowl champions, Olympic gold medalists, and of course, Phaedra Knight. The originator.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

The story of me is a twisty, windy turn that I would definitely say at the heart of every intersection and every small moment that mushrooms into something beyond I could think of ever happening. The consistent theme was every time it came on the other side of me simply attempting to help somebody be better. Every single time. It was on the other side of someone saying would you, and me saying yes, and believing quite transparently that that's part of why God blew West of me. So um I could have mapped this if I wanted to. And it really started uh leaving high school, turning down scholarships with computer programming, being locked in a lab all day, going to the army, all whore, love it, receiving a uh semi-devastating injury that told me that my young jump out of the windows and airplanes when no parachute life was coming to a close. And um that injury sparked inside of myself based on the options that I was given. That that can't be right. There there had to be more options. It it couldn't be uh you just have to get your knees replaced and there's you have to get your knees replaced, and there's nothing we can do about it. I I just I couldn't believe that was the answer. Um, and that drove me down the rabbit hole of consuming every book, every course, uh building on top of my formal education through the army. And it mushrooms is something that that's beyond my imagination. I became a health of fitness coach study Philadelphia, cancer patients pro my my first pro athlete literally was from someone telling me I have a buddy that's that's hurt and he might lose his job. I said, Well, that's not gonna work. When he showed up in my facility, he was an NFL player, but I didn't know that at the time. Um I just think, well, come help. So it's it's been a wild ride, but the ride has been consistently trying to help people. And the the bio seems seems unreal to me when I read it. That's why I don't like to read it. Um, but I'll tell you that that's been the consistent theme. We've traveled around the world helping people be better, um, trying to figure out how to help people be better and use science and technology to do that.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Nah, I want to hear everything you have to say, but I want to hear about that injury that that shit that you gotta talk about the a little bit more about the thing that the Delta, you know, that the thing that changed your life.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

I split both of my patellas, uh, and the army said I can either get new knees surgery, and that the current technology in 1997, 96, I would have need that surgery redone roughly every 12 really much. So they also told me if I could 3, 2, 1. Yeah, the injury was uh something semi unique in the actuality. I split both of my titellas in an accident in the army. And at the time, based on the wonderful technology in 1996-97, they told me that I would have to get a knee replacement and then repeat that surgery every 12 to 15 years. I was 19 years old. And I just felt like that had to be a better answer. Um and the surgeon said, Well, hey, listen, if you can handle the pain, you don't have to get the surgery, but it's gonna diminish your quality of life. I said, So I won't hurt anything? They said, No, you're it's just gonna be pain. And that was the only answer they had. So I said, Okay, well, what is pain? Wow.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

What what is pain and how does that work? Well, did you feel pain when when you when you cracked both of your patellas or you didn't feel it? Oh, yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

They were just telling me that in so in order to correct it because it's the way that the split was, I could continue my life that way if I could put up with the with the discomfort and the pain. And I could never put but so much load on my on my joints, on my knees again. Um and I literally spent four and a half months on the uh kind of teaching myself how to walk again, and I never got the surgery. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

And the surgery would have been a knee replacement double knee replacement.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

It would have been a double knee replacement.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Oh God. Okay. Wow. So you worked through it, you worked through it, you you the the knees, uh the patellus healed because that's what the body does. And obviously, I I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna create a spoiler for my listeners, but um you know, it all worked out for you.

SPEAKER_00 6:55

It did, it did, it all worked out better, better than I could have ever imagined. Um, and the I began to find out that what was being taught commonly in the US was a lot of antiquated information when it came to human performance. It was it was a lot of half science that and that kind of people ran off the rails with, and there seemed to be an overwhelming theme of there's nothing you can do. Uh once you get injured, there's nothing you can do. You age, there's nothing you can do. There seemed to be this constant theme that said that aging and decaying are synonymous with each other, and there's nothing you can do about it.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

Which just isn't true.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

So um, that's what kind of started this whole Mad Mad Max thing we got going on here.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

Well, you know, I I alluded to it in the intro and in, you know, talking just in my first question to you, you've you've you've trained you know what people want to hear, a little bit, you've got to give people a little bit of candy, right? Listeners gotta give them a little bit of candy. So uh, you know, you've trained these MVPs, these Super Bowl champions, these Olympic gold medalists, you know, what is who are some of these people? Like can you name drop just a couple, a handful, some of them that you, you know, that you've worked with?

SPEAKER_00 8:11

We can. We can name drop some of the ones that aren't currently playing anymore because as you know with sports. Yeah, yeah. Uh any indication of you less than 100% mess with your message with your your paycheck. That's right, that's right. So uh let's see, uh Carly Lloyd, the legendary female soccer player, Carly Lloyd. Um, and interesting enough, when I was brought into her career was this last run that she made when they said she was too old to be any good anymore. And she trained with me, and we I did my part. She's she is who she is, and I did my part, and she performed uh amazingly at the French Open and at the Olympics. That trick and and everything, which was amazing. They said they said it was over for and it wasn't. That's awesome. Uh Trey Thomas, because I was Philly Boy, so Philadelphia Eagles, uh legendary, he had a back injury that they said most people thought was going to end his career, which it didn't. Not only did it not end his career, but after 15 weeks, we had him better condition than he was when he left college.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 9:12

Wow. And they came and did an interview, and he's 315 pounds, six foot nine, doing pull-ups. Trying to figure out what was going on. That's crazy. So uh, Marion Barber, Dallas Cowboys. Yep, uh Hank Cote. Hank Cotee was the champ uh with the New England, amazing uh cornerback. Maxine Gillis, another great eagle. So we'll name all of those, all of those people that are long past their contract, so that no one gets in trouble.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

That's right. That's right. Okay. That's excellent. I mean, that's a pretty star-studded roster. And I'm sure you I mean, I know you're working with and you know, work with some um some others, obviously, that you that you can't mention, but I think that's quite impressive. And and, you know, I the one person that I could probably mo know about, have the most no uh has the most notoriety is obviously Carly Lloyd. And she had an quite an impressive career, but um to be able to step out on the pitch, you know, after she'd been written off and have such an a performance, um it speaks volumes. It speaks volumes about everything that you stand for um and that you're about. So that's that's pretty incredible.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Well, I appreciate it. She's a wonderful, wonderful woman and an amazing, amazing athlete. Um and quite transparently, even in our first interaction, after I took her through our first assessment, I said, I call her CSS C. Now listen, this is going to be weird, but just go with me. She said, Okay, Doc. And when we got done, uh she says, I I've been doing what I do my entire life, and we've had people from all over, they bring everybody in. And I've never had an experience like this before. And PK, transparently hand of God, that was just the assessment. Yeah. We hadn't even started training yet. That was just for us to figure out how where she was to identify how we could help. Yeah. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

I mean, I know this because I've gone through this. So I agree, I agree with Carly. I agree with C 1000%. It was, you know, it it was crazy. It was crazy. It's a it's it was such a different experience. So that that makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

Because we we can't be random. We we are in an amazing point in human history where we finally have enough science, technology to do the science, and historical data and population that we we don't have to be reactive anymore.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

No.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Like we're we're living in the age of Aquarius right now. Like this is this is the moment we're in in terms of the human capacity of what we can do. So why are we guessing? Why are we pulling things out of the air? Why are we not hyper-personalized? Why is the human being not the center of the program? Not the practitioners. Gone with this model that all the practitioners were God and our athletes or our executives or our clients are these things that need to bow to us and just do whatever we tell them to do. That that's that's dead. It's insane anyway, but in in this moment that we're in, my hope is that that just can't survive. I try to push that out of the industry every chance I get.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

It's almost like we're entering the we're at the beginning of the golden age of of wellness and health spans. Yeah. You know, I know we're not in the quote unquote golden age, right? We're in in other parts of our wor of our lives, it's like, what is happening? But this is certainly it's just it feels like we are entering that golden era. And I agree with you a thousand percent. Like it's just a such a good time of and an opportunity, you know. And I think if you applied honestly, that you look through that, looked into that lens, into everything, you could you could actually see the the the gold, the gold lining. I don't even call it I don't want to even call it the silver lining. You could you could see that gold lining, the opportunity, right? Uh I think so. It's all about being able to that's what's important. Well, listen, in every description that I've read describing you, there's always that word scientist. How does how does that play into what you do and where does the biohacking actually come in?

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Great question. I I like to take science to the the basic true definition of science, which is really observation. At the basic level, all science is is observation and hypotheses and theories based on that observation, right?

SPEAKER_02 13:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

So I was a sports scientist before people knew that was a thing. I love it that it's a thing now that people I mean, people think it's new. It isn't, it isn't new. Um but the science really comes in uh at if we take a human being and their experiences and don't treat them like they're some kind of compartmentalized robot, but the totality of the human experience, I call it the five expressions of the human experience. If I if I slow down and I look at that, and I try to observe that, I try to identify as fast as I possibly can who is this person, who is this human being, and what uh what challenges do they have, high level, low level, and that I sit that on a table, and then I bring to the table, I go into this table and I pull out a new box. And this box has all these wonderful resources and information that we know about how the body works, how the earth works, how light works, how how sun works, how the the neurologically how we function. So now we have some more great data there. Well, the science combination of how do we take all these cool things that we know and apply it to the person and for the best result possible, and what that ends up looking like is a way to save people time so they get their time back, their their lives, which we don't get back easily. How do we make that more efficient? So let's use science to observe what's the most effective way to accomplish the goal. The the theory of no pain, no gain. Is that really true? Is that really accurate? Uh Ice I say uh ICE uh injury, is that really accurate? Is that really best? We we that's where the science comes in for me. The science comes in how do we figure out what's best for the human being that we're dealing with. And that led into this other concept of once you once you know the science, you can really master it and apply it well, then you get to be on the edge of it a little bit and say, wait a minute, the whole reality of of hacking something is moving around it or being more efficient or finding a faster, cleaner, sharper way. And the bio is exactly what it sounds like, it's a human being. So, okay, now we have all this cool science, and we no longer have to wait five years for a result because of some technology advancements, we can biohack it. So, how do we get how do we get PK stronger faster? How do we get our heel faster? How do we how do we do it faster? And then how do we measure it? It has to be quantifiable because if we can't measure it, we can't monitor it, and we can't make adjustments. Because in order for it to still be science, we have to have, again, that observation and hypotheses that we weigh against to see if we're accomplishing the goal. I know that's a fire hose, but uh, but uh you asked me the question.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

I get it, right? And I get it most recently, and uh you know, just we'll talk more about us later, but I want to talk about because I think it's relevant to what you just said. Like I I legitimately injured my neck, or could have potentially really injured my neck three weeks ago. I got basically I fell on the the corner of my head and you know neck folded in a way that it just it was very unnatural. And and and the reason why I probably didn't break my neck has to do with probably the fact that I have years of you know training and playing rugby and you know taking a lot of like impact. So the body was a little bit better at handling that. But I think some of it is also attributable to the workouts we've been doing and the strength that I've gained, the muscle, um, the resilience. Gotta give credit, you know, to like Glenn Diasso and working on the little muscles and stabilizers, but and and Eric, uh Eric Quintero. But but I you know, it was it was what happened that day was I I got injured and I I knew that I needed to be ready for our fight, which is coming up soon. And the first place I went was okay, I'm gonna go to Midtown, I'm sorry, I'm gonna I went to Motion because I knew that and I knew I was coming to you next. But I went to motion and I I got some of their PMF done, um which helped, right? Which helped like address the muscular issues. And then I then I hopped on my little Vespa and I rode up to Midhouse Hat BioHack because I knew number one, I needed to get into hyperbaric, right? But I also knew that you had a solution for the nervous uh the nerve part, the nerve, nervous system. And that was honestly like the the that was a a big part of it, right? You you you you know put on the probes, um, you did your magic, and I was literally 40 to 50 percent better by the end of the day. I got some acupuncture done later, but I can attest to the fact that yeah, you hacked everyone on that day, they biohacked that that might an injury that would would have actually taken me out of this fight, right? Because it wasn't it was a soft tissue, and it I didn't injure my spine, but the the the soft tissue, the nature of it and the impact and the trauma of it was so great. I wouldn't have been able to fight next week had not I come and seen you and seen Josh and and and or motion. It wouldn't have happened. It just wouldn't have happened. And so you literally shaved off four weeks of of recovery uh in in one in in a matter of a few days, a handful of days. That's crazy. That's crazy. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

And part of my first off, thank you. I appreciate the fact that you you admit it. There there was a very there was a a long period of time where I was being kept in a back room where people would not say what happened or where they went, and athletes wouldn't tell anybody. Athlete parents like younger are non-pros, didn't want to tell other parents. And I didn't get it. I couldn't understand it. And one day somebody said to me, they said, It's a doc, it's because you're looking at it the wrong way. I said, What do you mean? Yeah. They said, What's your what's your rule? Tell me what your rule is. I said, What do you mean? What's your rule if somebody walks into the space that you're in? What's the rule? I said, Oh, the rule is no one walks into the space that lets me know that that I that I know maybe find out that they're in some type of pain or discomfort, and I don't attempt to help them. And it's not about money, and it won't cost them a thing. That's just how I honor God with the gift that he gave me. He said, Yeah, see that right there? I was like, Yeah, he said, that's not what they're thinking. What they're thinking is they don't want anyone else to be as good as they are. That's right. And they don't want anybody to get ahead of them.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

I said, But it's their teammate. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Yeah.

unknown 21:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

With a different contract. Yeah. That was about 16 years ago, PK. That really it really set me back. It hurt my soul a little bit to tell the truth. Because I was so far in my own rabbit hole of how but we can help. Yeah. Uh I had to I had to become more sober minded about that reality.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

And that yeah, that that was so that's what I'm saying. Thank you for the fact that you say it, that you tell people about what we're doing. Yeah. Um because you don't have fear. You don't have this this mentality of lack. It's this this crazy mentality of if anybody else is doing good, then there's going to be less good available for you. Yeah. And that's insane. It is insane.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

It is insane. And it's a very Very and unfortunately it's it's it's the mindset of most highly competitive, uh particularly highly competitive people, highly competitive athletes. And it was honestly, I can't sit here and like pretend that I haven't had shared in that mindset. I can't even pretend that I'm entirely immune from that. But when it comes to health and wellness, I think that's a that's a that's almost an entitlement for everyone that everyone has. Everyone should feel entitled to health span and wellness and being pain-free. I really believe that. And I think that is, and so if if everyone stepped into the octagon with that on unequal footing, then it becomes about skills, right? It becomes about skills and and and evolution and and systems and you know, like that's what real competition is. Like having these, having these other like you know, like plaguing injuries, like who wants to who wants to battle a wounded animal? Like that's not fair. That's not fair. So, you know, maybe this is a lesson to everyone. Like I I I want to be, like, there's I mean no secrets about it. I I want to be at the top. That's my goal. At the top of the, you know, of the top of the greatest promotion in the world. But does that mean that I want to get there? I want to, but I want to earn it. I want to earn it honestly. I want to earn it and I want to get there because I belong there, not because I'm making my way through a bunch of opposition that's injured and not at their best. I want people to be at their best. Yeah. Right?

SPEAKER_00 23:46

And for you, I love it. And for me, uh the way that I shifted my my viewpoint and the people that I focus on, this is how it's very interesting to hear you say this because this is how I framed it for myself about, I guess, 12 years ago now. I said, okay, so if you're a pro-athlete and what you do is sports, then it's your job to find, to always be attempting to get better. And if that if that search bumps you into me one day, so be it. Okay. And if you never tell anybody else about it, so be it. Maybe, and they weren't searching as hard. And I I let that go for every pro athlete that I did with. And I said, I can handle that in my mind. And then with that being said, I said, now, I'm we're always going to get a pro-athlete because the whispers of what we do always is always in some room somewhere. With that said, I said, okay, now let me focus on the general population. Let me focus on the other people that don't have quite transparently the billion the benefits that put someone like PK Rashir's, not benefits that someone gave something to her, the hard wiring, the all that it took, whatever you, whatever price you paid to be where you are, which nobody knows the whole price, there's a whole slew of people that just walking to the corner and not breathing hard is a challenge. Right? So I began to say, okay, well, let's focus on the industrial athletes. Right. The industrial corporate athletes, and let's see how do we help these people. Um and what I found out was what it takes to to make an Olympian or pro-athlete like yourself and others to get you guys from to improve you by three percent is like moving a mountain. That's right. That's it. The amount of what it takes to to move somebody that's not in that space, we can change if we just we can change them 20%, it'll take us a third of the amount of effort, and it will change their life. They will think they're a whole new person. So the leverage point becomes amazing.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Yeah, that is that is spot on, right? That is, and there's so many people out there. You know, professional athletes are like the tip of the iceberg, right? It's a it's generally different. It's a small population, but you have a whole population of people out there uh that could are potential clients and potential benefactors of your service. And so you know, yeah, you can obviously work with pro athletes, but you your your ability and your your uh offering touch and impact so many more people. So many more people. Well, listen, I need you to describe Midtown Biohack and what you do there and why you feel it's so different from what everyone else is doing. Now, I know, but I think it's best for you to talk about it because this is your baby.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

It is my baby. It is my baby. So, Midtown Biohack, um, we are a concierge wellness company. Um, we coined that term and we it it burst out of us concierge wellness. And the essence of that is the fact that it's hyperpersonalized and it pulls together from a lot of different places, a lot of different things to accomplish one goal, which is to improve the experience of the of the individual. So it's concierge wellness. And what we do is we focus on primarily recovery and then optimization of human beings. And our recovery is based on advanced neurological recovery first. So, how do we recover the nervous system? How do we get a person's nervous system out of inflammation and chronic stress? How do we get a human being's cells out of inflammation? Because once we do those things, every other aspect of their life gets better. Strength, gut health, everything. So we first, how do we get how do we do that? And we designed a system called gray matter performance. It's the gray matter in your brain and your nervous system, and everything that we do is based on getting the mind, the brain, and the nervous system to work really, really well that then informs the body. So we use a lot of science technology to leverage the ability to do those things. Um, and by doing it that way, we help recovery happen in a third of the time on average. And that recovery, I mean, the range is beautiful. It's from we have three MS patients that are in wheelchairs that come all the way from Jersey with drivers once a month for treatment, to um person with a hamstring tear, to the person that has chronic stress, to the person that has migraines. So we cover the whole spectrum and we do it all with wonderful technology that helps repair the nervous system first, and then we lay on top of that that same system to improve muscular tone, to improve health, to improve bone density, and we do all of that in a fraction of the time. Now for the fitness component, we do a third of the time as well. The robots, we call them the robots that we use here, one session that will range anywhere from eight to twenty minutes, is the entire prescription, minimum effective dose, minimum effective dose for your strengths program for the week. So you give us one 30-minute total session, 30 minutes total, all in, any, anyway, how many, no matter how many breaks we give you. And you'll be done, all of the fitness of strength that you have to do for seven days. And you spend the rest of the week doing recovery and mobility work.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

Well, I I I agree. I can I can I can say amen to that. That is a truth. That's a truth, people. That is an absolute truth.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

It's not, it sounds like it sounds like magic, um, but it's not. We we we combine all of that with a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. The amount of benefits of hyperbaric oxygen, uh, it it helps improve every cell in the body. Every cell, from skin and aesthetics to gut health to injury to actually performance, improving performance. So again, we want to do the most effective thing possible. So here at Midtown Biohack, that's what we do. We guarantee people's results. We give them better results than they can possibly get on their own or at any gym or any traditional model in a third of the time, and we make the wellness full spectrum, improve heart, lung, brain, metabolism, the whole kid and caboodle. And we do it in a really, really cool way. You know, it starts off with a two and a half hour assessment where we are measuring everything about the person. It's a brain assessment, a cognitive assessment, muscle skeletal assessment, neurological ass, I mean, neuromuscular assessment, strength assessment. It's it's a whole thing, metabolism, VO2. We're measuring everything. And then we put together a playbook. So we take all of that data, and then the live the real life person of what their goals are, what their wellness journey is, what their health journey has been, we put together a playbook, and all they have to do is run the play. And what does that look like? They show up, that's it. And we do that same measurement every three and a half to four months to see how we're how we're doing. That's what we do. Well, it's it's definitely bleeding edge.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

You know, and and I have to say, I will say that when I first met you, it was actually you had been in the space with Dr. with Shear Medical for several months. And I had walked by your space at the time numerous times not even knowing what was going on behind those tinted doors. And one day he just, you know, I was there to see Dr. Shear and he was like, uh, you need to, you know, you need to go check this guy out. He claims he can get a 30-minute workout for the week. And I'm like, and please, I'm all kind of skeptical about that. Because, you know, you know, I I've pretty much been a gym rat for a long time. You know, and I was so dedicated to putting in the work, but I have to admit, as I reached sort of uh the perimenopause and menopause and you know uh era of my life, it was it was difficult. You know, the I doing four to five days a week in the gym and doing the traditional stuff had started to really kind of wear and tear me. You know, it was it was stressing my joints. I would get, you know, I've over the years, like I've gotten injured in the gym. Like I've lifted over you know my lifespan a lot of weight. I pushed a lot of load, um, you know, I've deadlifted a lot of weight, I've c power cleaned a lot of weight, I've squatted a lot of weight, I've bench pressed a lot of weight, and over time my body was just like, uh-uh, it's just it's tired. So I I have to say, you know, Dr. Shear, you know, teeing me up and telling me to go in that day. And actually, when I walked in the door, I'm like, it was something that overcame me. It was just, I don't trust this dude. Because I feel like you know, you gave that trusting vibe. And we started, we let you start, you know, you let me do, I think we did the the initial assessment where you had me pushed um on your what you call it, the precious that I think yeah, on the precious, right? Got on the precious and I pressed and I did my thing, and I'm like, wow, that was hard. And that's kind of how you hooked me. And then you got me in there, and hey, I never look back. So it it's true. It's so true. But well, I wanted to go back to one thing you mentioned. You said you had a couple of uh MS patients out of Jersey coming through once a month. How are you managing them? How do you measure their improvement um with you know with with what they're dealing with?

SPEAKER_00 34:33

Yeah, so these two particular people, uh they are they're private training clients of one of my uh mentees over the years, and they have been slowly degrading in their mobility over the past year. Uh and they both, two different people were told that the nerves are are starting to die, they're somewhat still awake, but they're just kind of losing control. And they were, but they still have some minimal control. And he and he's managing the the trainer's manually doing manipulation and things that make sure and they can apply pressure and stuff like that. So when they came in, they come in for a two and a half hour session. So it's a pretty intense uh two and a half hour session of nerve, what we call nerve re-education uh programming, which is by the by the time it's over, I'm I'm pretty tired as well. Uh with that being said, the entire objective is to bring down inflammation in the nervous system and then also clean up what I call the white noise in the nervous to help create a cleaner, stronger signal throughout the neurological pathway. Okay? Now, how is it measured? It's measured in in twofold experience, like sensory experiential of how they feel. So they tell us what their interpretations are, and then their trainer who monitors their progress and has been monitored, it's monitoring their progress, he gives me his vantage point of what he's seen, what changes if any.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

And both have giving, I literally just got a phone call about two hours ago, says, Doc, we're sending you a video. The one gentleman went by the time when he left his session, he he his eyes uh he got emotional because he could feel himself sitting up in the chair, in his chair where he was slashed over before. He felt like he didn't have any control. Wow. And as he pushed his leg, as this trainer was making him push the leg, push his hand with his leg, yeah, uh, he had more strength in his leg than he can remember in probably six months.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

And that was from how how many just going one session a month with you. That was it that was his first session. That was his first session.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

That was the end of his first session. Wow. And the young lady that came just last week had a very, very similar experience. One of the things that she noticed was that that day when she woke up, her left shoulder and neck was extremely painful and swollen. And they she's in her wheelchair, and they're in there, they called me, they got I got a text message from the um what is the driver who was driving them, that the pain in her entire left side was gone. The swelling had gone down more than half, and she could literally turn her head all the way from left to right, which she couldn't do for about five days. And that was just what the instant thing was. So um, yeah, it's it's it's things like that. And we tell people, we don't make any claims, say, hey, listen, we just do recovery. Yeah. And it may help, it may not, but I but I say every bit of recovery helps. It's worth a try.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

That's right. That's right. That is that's amazing. Now, you know, of all these things you do, I must admit, and you've alluded to this uh some already, uh I'm most fascinated by the work Midtown Biohack has done to deal with the pain. I've witnessed, you know, I've I've witnessed so many miraculous actually stories of people that come to you with chronic pain. They've been told in most instances like these two people that they just have to learn to live with it and and and and and ultimately die with it, right? Yes. How is it that you are able to find the root causes and get so many people past the pain?

SPEAKER_00 38:52

TK, I don't know if that I've ever seen LC. See, this is because it's you, you don't understand me. I feel it coming up. Your podcast listeners is about to get some information. I don't know that we've ever really done quite this quite. I don't know if we actually ask you a whole story in part.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

Are you able to talk about it? Is this is this? Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

This is me. Okay. This is me. Okay. I was sick for two years. I had my weight had gone all the way down to I was 158 pounds. I'm 173 right now, PK.

SPEAKER_01 39:27

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

So I was down to 153.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

I was gonna try to size you up, see if I could get you in the octagon, get you for a fight, but I'm I'm gonna wait for that one.

SPEAKER_00 39:36

No, because I will see, because I'll bite you in the cheek, but I don't have a problem with that.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

Well, that's a street fight, yo.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Yeah, I know how to get out of, listen, I know how to get out of an octagon. I ain't messing with you. I ain't messing with you. But I was so sick, I was my body was ravished with with pain.

SPEAKER_02 39:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

I had a blood disease throughout my body that should have killed me. It was literally eating away at my organs, eating away at my brain, and I lived in bone-bending, excruciating pain. And um, through God's grace and and knowledge, and and he healed me and gave me something too, and I I recovered, right?

unknown 40:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

So why is that relevant? I know what it feels like to be in excruciating pain, and because you're not bleeding out of a major organ, nobody can see it.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

I know what it feels like. Some of the worst things to say to somebody that's in chronic pain is why don't you just? See, because if you don't feel if you don't know what it feels like to sit up and feel like somebody's stabbing you through your through your spine just because you're trying to take a deep breath, you you don't understand what living in pain. And it steals your life. It steals your energy, it steals your hope, it still your personality, you become somebody else. Yeah. And I personally believe that um there's so much that we've learned about our body. So something as simple as better understanding the miraculous design of our nervous system says it may not cure everything. With that said, because so many of the problems start there, then I just think it has to stay the reason that some of the stuff can get fixed there too. Some of the stuff. So people are having these amazing experiences, not because I'm doing TK, every machine in here that we have, ma'am, I did not design or build not one of these machines. All of this technology is not new in the existence of time. You know, they've been improved over the years. I just curated a way to make them work together based on attempting to respect the person who's saying that they're in pain. When you told me you're not, I everything else stops. And I'm not going to tell you that you're not in pain. I'm not going to tell you that you're not. Well, I know you feel in your neck, but it's really in your back. You don't want to hear that. I want you to tell me everything that you feel and your interpretation of it. It is my job to observe that, make hypotheses, and try to apply what we can to that. And eight times out of ten, if we can get the body out of fight mode, if we can get the inflammation down, if we can get your system out of attack and defend itself mode, people improve in their recovery. That's the best thing I can say. That's the best way I can I can answer the why.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Yeah. Well, there are so many people out there that are in pain. They don't even understand what it feels like to not be in pain. And I know that. Yeah. You know, like I, you know, my listeners, you know, know that I always take time with the guests who are also a part of my team to talk about what we've done together. And so this is a a very good, great segue to that, talking about pain and how it fits into my journey to contribute to achieve in sport and operate at a high level, even past a time when most professional athletes have really on their fleet, so to speak. So we started working together because I you know, part of it was that I was in a little bit of pain. You know, I was going through these things. I was challenged with the pain when I got underweight. Like I couldn't put a I I hated putting a squat bar uh on my back. I hated it. I loved lifting in the 20s. I love that stuff. But when I came into your place, I was just, I was like, I don't know, like, Lord, thank, thank, thank Dr. Shear for for saying it. Like say it again. Because I was in pain, right? And I wasn't in the pain that a lot of people are in. But I look at how I feel now, and and I look at you know, where I am now versus where I was a year ago. Even? Not to mention, you know, two or three years ago. And it's quite different, right? Yeah. It's quite it's quite different. And so this transformation, you know, this this you know, we've done it. You've done those assessments on me. We we've been lifting. And you remember, even when I started, I had the had a torn labrum. Remember that? And we would and you remember those, oh, those frustrating uh times when we when I was lifting and doing chest and struggling through it, and you said, you're gonna get through this. You're you know, you're gonna reprogram all the stuff that's going on in that shoulder, right? And lo and behold, it it happened. You know, and it was I was in an environment where I wasn't gonna get hurt. And that's why I guess one of the things I want to talk about with that that equipment that you use, you don't get hurt on it. I'd have never experienced something that I could put 1,000% effort into. I'm I mean, you know, you always tell me, shh, PK, you can't be yelling at people in the in the building trying to conduct business. But I'm I'm yelling from a like because I'm at full exertion with every rep I'm doing, both concentrically and eccentrically. Oh my God, doing the lead press eccentrically, it makes me feel like somebody's taking the soul out of my body. It's so vulnerable. You feel like someone is is just doing something really legal to you in that moment. But it's it's also you can't step away from it. You you you you I fight through that challenge. And every moment of that workout, that eight to thirty-minute workout, that 30-minute workout for me is broken up into two workouts. It's challenging. The only time it's not challenging is that little three-second break y'all call you give me. Right? You call it a break. That's a joke.

SPEAKER_02 45:55

But it's yeah, right?

SPEAKER_01 45:59

That's basically what it is. But Lord have mercy. It is my it's it's it's my like reprieve, but it's true. So I I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna I'm gonna let you take that. I I just wanted to comment on that because it's just uh, you're right. It it's it's it's uh it's a great experience, and I think everyone needs to to have this experience.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

So TK, uh, I'm so grateful that you brought that up because that is such a powerful reality, so powerful. And and if you allow me, let me give you some more in-depth insight to what you said and what you expressed, being transparent, talking about your own personal experience. I'm gonna give you some added information that innately you kind of knew something, but you may not have known specifically this fact. Our brain does a lot of stuff. I like to say it has basically two primary goals at the highest level. To keep us alive and to balance all of our systems in our body at the highest level. That's what, as far as I'm concerned, that's the heads and tails of the brain's responsibility. Now, watch this. If you are laid, if you have, if you're under a rack with a squat, and that bar is on your back, your brain, your conscious mind has seen enough, your intellect knows enough, and then all your sensory data input has hurt enough in any gym to know that that bar is dangerous. And at a certain weight, you can get hurt. At a certain weight, you might even snap your back. If you're laying on that bench press and that bar is across your chest in the air while you're laying on your back, your brain knows that this is dangerous. And that 10 pounds can snap your neck. Your your brain knows this. So, guess what it does? Yeah, it prevents you from fully accessing all of your potential to help keep you alive. It literally is not allowing you to access everything when you're in here with depression, CK. You just said it, that doesn't happen. Yeah, you are literally opening up more layers of muscle and more capacity because your mind is free because you're not worrying about danger.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

That's so true.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

How much more does that give a person?

SPEAKER_01 48:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

I don't know, but it's it's something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

It's a lot. It's a lot. It gives a lot. Yeah. And I'm not where I'm not where I'm gonna be, but I have to say, the amount of improvement I've made in terms of strength over the last 12 months or plus has been pretty enormous. Been pretty enormous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's I everything you just said is is is is a perfect reason why. My brain doesn't have to worry about me getting hurt. I don't want to get hurt. That's the worst thing. Well, how'd you get hurt? I was at the gym. Like what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 49:19

Yep. Like I thought you went to the gym to be helpful.

SPEAKER_01 49:24

Yeah, I got hurt. And that's a lot of people's story, especially when they try to push it. But I want to mention this because we haven't talked a lot about it. We the the biggest thing is like this this myth that you gotta go and work out and lift weight the four to five days a week. And that's just a myth because you need the time to recover from that one hard all-out day on that strength on the strength portion of your of your protocol. You need the time to recover, as you say. What is it, four to five days for most people?

SPEAKER_00 50:04

Yeah. Easy, easy, easy. I just I'm at four. I can train every four days. You know how many years it took me to be able to get to four days? Yeah. And still gain results. And then I got out of sequence about two months ago. It took me another, it took me probably a month to get back to five days. Okay. Because I had got out of sync. And I okay, so rewind, my out of sync became, I was barely, I wasn't, I was not recovering well. Yeah. I was not getting enough sleep.

SPEAKER_02 50:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:35

My my new my nutrition went down. And um my um my routines, all of my like psychological stress management routines, and everything, uh everything got all caddy wampas for about three and a half weeks. And my stuff tanks, and I try to come back at every four days in training, and this computer laughed at me, like that's what it does, right? Like, oh, you're so cute. No, no, no. Go take some more days. You're not ready.

SPEAKER_01 51:08

Right. That's so true. Yeah. That's so true. Wow. Well, Dr. Chuck, listen, thank you so much for joining us today. Do you have any final thoughts you'd like to leave with us before we depart?

SPEAKER_00 51:27

Well, first, let me say thank you so much for the opportunity. I greatly appreciate it. I don't take it for granted, and it's an honor. And I'll say my final thought is um our goal is real clear. We want to help people live pain-free, have limitless energy, and a clear, sharp mind. So your listeners are going to be and are all over the country, all over the world. So I'll give you all this. Remember that aging and decaying are not the same thing. So don't accept that. They're not the same thing. Aging and decay are not the same thing. Don't accept it. Don't think, oh, okay, that's just because I'm getting old. No. That's right. Fight that. Fight that thought back and figure out how do I how do I achieve better? How do I feel better?

unknown 52:18

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 52:19

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

I love that. I love that. How can people get in touch with you, doc?

SPEAKER_00 52:28

It is too easy in all this social world. We have two clean options. Our website is Midtown Biohack. M-I-D-T-O-W-N-B-I-O-H-A-C-K. Midtown Biohack.com. Or as the kids keep telling me, you just go to my IG. The IG is D-R-Chuck, P H D, or Midtown Biohack. See, you got two options. IG. D-R Chuck, P H D, or Midtown Biohack.

SPEAKER_01 53:03

I love it. I love it. You heard it here first, people. Well, you didn't hear it here first, but you heard it this way first. So there you go. That's right. That's right. Awesome. Well, thank you, Dr. Chuck. Appreciate you, PK. Have a great day. You too. I'm Phaedra Knight. And this has been Freak Class. If you enjoyed it, please subscribe and let your friends know about it. Free Class is available on Apple, Google, and Spotify Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.