Phreak Klass Season 1 Episode 2 Drs Tsakalos and Sclafani from Apollo

Dr. Kosta Tsakalos  is skilled in Upper Cervical and Tonal Chiropractic, Applied Kinesiology and full spine techniques. He works with Dr. Enessa Sclafani at Appollo where they specialize in Upper Cervical Chiropractic care. 

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SPEAKER_00 0:29

Let's chat for a minute and then I'll introduce my guest and we'll get into it. Now I started playing rugby law school. I was a member of the U.S. national women's rugby team from 1999 to 2017. I participated in the 2002, 2006, and 2010 Women's Rugby World Cup and won all world team honors in the first two World Cups. I was named USA Rugby Player of the Decade in 2010. And in 2017, I was honored to become the first African-American woman and only the second American to be inducted into the World Rugby Hall of Fame. I love to hit people hard. The harder, the better. It's a fast-paced game, it's fun to play, and it's also fun to watch. But let me tell you about the other part. Professional rugby is considered to be one of the most dangerous sports when it comes to injuries. Of those injuries, studies have found that the most prevalent complaint is back pain. Over 50 percent of current players say they've had an injury that's caused back pain for more than 30 consecutive days. And almost 70 percent of the retired rugby professionals deal with chronic back pain, with lower back pain being the most common complaint. As you know, this tells us about my journey or my quest, if you will, to learn how I can utilize medical, nutritional, electronic, biological, spiritual, and bleeding-edge science to keep operating at an optimal level for as long as humanly possible. A big part of my quest, particularly since I'm now an MMA fighter, is back effective. This is a critical part of being an MMA fighter, mitigating neck and back pain, improving mobility, balance, flexibility, and range of motion. All of these are central to performing at peak levels during training and in the optical. Now, my guests today are part of the arsenal health professionals that keep the K in OK in PK. Dr. Cicata is skilled in upper cervical and chiropractic, applied physiology, and full spine techniques. He works with Dr. Anessa Scofani at Apollo, where they specialize in upper cervical chiropractic. I welcome you both to the podcast today. And I know I've never said your last name, Dr. Costas, and uh never said your last name, Dr. Anessa. So for the purpose of how I interact with these two and how most interfaces interact with them on a day-to-day basis, we'll refer to you both affectionately as Dr. Costus and Dr. Nesta. Is that okay?

SPEAKER_03 3:42

Yeah, that's perfect. Good morning. Good morning. Yeah, that's absolutely okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent. Well, very psyched that you two have um decided to join join us today. Um excited to you know see what we explore in this over the course of the 45 minutes or so. But my first question is for Dr. Costas. To level set our listeners, tell us about your general philosophy in practicing chiropractic medicine and how upper cervical chiropractic is different from traditional chiropractic care.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

Well, Pedro, I first I want to say thank you so much for having us and giving us the opportunity to share our insights uh to your audience, uh, share the insight of real chiropractic, how it changes so many people's lives. And I'd love to answer those questions, and I actually love those questions. You know, my insight when it comes to chiropractic is that the body has this beautiful inborn wisdom to heal, also known as like uh the innate potential to heal. And it's all about reconnecting the user with experience or the brain to the body. And upper cervical chiropractic care is very, very different from traditional chiropractic care in the sense that it requires no twisting, cracking, or popping of this cervical spine, also known as a neck. Now, what we do is very specific, gentle, scientific corrections to the top bones of the neck, which allows to pretty much take stress off the brainstem. When we start taking stress off the brainstem, we see amazing uh changes with our patients' neurology, physiology. You know, we start experiencing and seeing that nerve supply gets restored, something called cerebral spinal fluid gets restored, all blood supply to the head as it drains out of the head gets restored. Lymphatic drainage is another important thing that detoxes the brain in the body, gets restored. And again, when we start doing this and understanding when we're going to be applying these adjustments, because we have many different objective, objective uh measures on a day-to-day basis with our patients. Again, that helps us understand when we need to make an adjustment, what adjustments are holding. You know, if we can stay on top of these things and help the body heal naturally by again focusing on these major uh parts of upper neck, it again changes so many people's lives. And uh hopefully that was uh answered your question.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Yeah, you absolutely did. Uh Dr. Nessa, do you have anything to add to Dr. Costa's comments?

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Yeah, I mean, upper cervical care, it's amazing. We have a lot of patients that come to us because they've been to all kinds of other doctors, ENTs, neurologists, the emergency room, all the time. They're always going to other places. And they come to us. We're always their last resort, you know. But after they leave after that first visit, they have so much hope. And I think going to the office every day and just being able to give so many people who have lost hope hope back, and then to know that this is gonna work for them and their body's gonna heal is such a rewarding thing, especially within the healthcare profession, to get to go to work every day and get to do that and to see so many lives transform is such a blessing.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

That's awesome. That's awesome. And uh uh just off the cuff, uh, what are some of the symptoms? Like what what would be some of the range of symptoms that uh people present? Obviously, back pain, as as I referenced earlier, is probably one of the symptoms and neck pain, which is something that I had, right, coming in. But what are some of the what are some of the symptoms people present with when they all walk into your office?

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Yeah. A lot of patients come in with dizziness, vertigo, migraines, headaches, a lot of chronic issues, uh, ear fullness. Yeah, I mean a lot of lot of things that patients struggle with. And it's bad because they think that it's normal for them. They're like, oh, if we could just fix this one thing. Um, but if I have to live with the numbness, then I'll live with the numbness. And I'm like, no, like you don't have to live with that. You can you can be free, your body can heal itself. We're gonna get to the root cause, and your body's gonna heal everything. So, yeah, that's what walks into our office.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Excellent. Dr. Kalstis, anything you want to add to the symptom symptomology that you you experience?

SPEAKER_03 7:55

Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, we see a lot of patients with also anxiety. We have people that have uh numbness in extremities like the arms and the legs. We see a lot of fatigue, a lot of blurry visionness, uh vision blurriness. We see a lot of uh different dysfunctions of the autonomic nervous system. And the autonomic nervous system is exactly what it says, or that definition of things that happen automatically in your body. Now, you know, a lot of times we see our patients in this sympathetic or this fight or flight kind of response that comes into our office. And the problem with most people in this day of Asia is that most people are in that fight or flight response time um way too much than they should be. And the really cool thing about the work that we do, TK, is that whenever we make these very specific adjustments in the upper neck or any other bone of the neck, we're always switching the brain or allowing the brain to switch from the sympathetics over to the parasympathetics. And again, that's where the body's really thriving instead of trying to survive on a daily basis. Because the truth of the matter is that our brain needs to filter stress on a daily basis. Now, this stress kind of gets broken down to three major categories. We have physical stressors, emotional stressors, as well as chemical stressors. And the way I like to really explain this really, really easily is that we're all born with this book bag. And with this book bag, we experience in our life different traumas, physical traumas, emotional traumas. Every single thing we put in our body or on our body uh is either getting us closer to sickness and disease or health and wellness. And think of all these little traumas or chemical stressors or emotional stressors, like a little pebble that enters our book bag. And then, you know, eventually you reach the age of 20 something, 30 something, 40-something, and you have this book bag filled with boulders. And ideally, whenever we make these amazing adjustments, it's like we're emptying out this book bag, one boulder or one rock at a time, and it starts getting lighter and lighter and lighter. And this is where patients start really flourishing. And again, you know, we get some of the best results in all of chiropractic because we use some of the most amazing, most advanced techniques that really reconnect, again, the brain to the body, take stress off the brainstem. And again, this is how physiology changes, blood supply changes, uh, health of individuals change. And that is, I think, one of the biggest pleasures of the work that we do and seeing these changes on a daily basis. And some people would say that they're miracles. For me, it's just another day to day between my two offices and a third office coming up soon.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

That's awesome. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

Well, I'm gonna direct this next question to Dr. Nesta, and then you can weigh in, Dr. Costas, uh, as I know this question is at the center of your practice. Now, I know that you may have touched on some of this obviously in your last uh answer, but I know that your methodology includes specific strategies. You employ tests and assessments to try to find the root cause of the problem. Can you elaborate on on those tests and assessments and things you employ?

SPEAKER_02 10:54

Mm-hmm. So we use a couple of different techniques. Um, a lot of them, Dr. Costa has developed and refined, and that's what he's taught me how to do. So thank you to him for you know expanding my knowledge on a lot of stuff. But with the techniques that we use, they're very gentle, they're very tailored towards each patient. Um it's essentially a protocol, and what we're doing is we're testing the neurology. So every time that a patient, as soon as a patient goes face down to get adjusted, we're always testing to see what the body where the body needs to be adjusted first and then last. So like Dr. Close always says, it's like making a cake. You gotta make sure that you put in the right ingredients at the right time, put the cake in, right for the at the right amount of Fahrenheit. Because you gotta make sure that the body has to balance it out. So that's essentially what we do with the different techniques is balancing out the body neurologically so that the body has its best potential at healing, by the time they get off the table, there's no interference in their body.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

Excellent. Dr. Dr. Kostas.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

Yeah, to kind of take it back from what Dr. Nessa, I think uh the question was a little bit more tailored to how we find or how do we use objective testing to understand where the root cause of the problem is. So, you know, obviously we start off with a very extensive uh case history with our patients because we want to know what they've been experiencing, how long they've been experiencing these things. We want to know what they've tried, where they've been to. And again, just like Dr. Nessa mentioned earlier, uh, before all of our patients, before they come to our office, have been to the ENT, the neurologists, the emergency room plenty of times. They've been to the primary care physicians, they've tried the shots, they've taken the medications, the pills, the potions, the lotions. Um, you know, what we do is we start off, obviously, like I said, with the history. We move into the next part, which is going to be visual, excuse me, uh posture evaluation images through our software. And we take these pictures of the posture from all four angles, kind of like a muckshot, which is funny. We kind of joke around with some of our patients with that. And uh these objective findings that we find with a posture correlate exactly with the function of the body. You know, we always say structure dictates function, so when we see the body is deviating farther away from the center point from the front, the back, and the sides, it shows neurological imbalances as well as structural imbalances within the musculoskeletal system. Now, after we take these images, we get our patients set up with a 3D imaging, which is uh through a machine that we use called the CBCT scan. It stands for compute um uh commuted. I'm forgetting exactly what it stands for right now, but let's go ahead and get to that part. Uh it's a C B C T scan. Ideally, it's a 3D scan of the neck, and this gives us a 3D view of the cervical spine uh from every single angle. And now with this 3D CT scan, we're capable of measuring it very specifically down to every single little millimeter millimeter of how we need to make sure we're adjusting the top bones of the neck. Because these bones don't just generalize um kind of move into a certain plane line that's like most people would think. We also try to understand the rest of the architecture of the lower part of the neck, which helps us fine-tune some of these adjustments that we're gonna be making to the rest of the neck. And again, when we can use technology like this 3D scan, when we can use technology like these three, these uh images of the posture, incorporate the neurological assessments uh with the leg length, uh checking when our patients are face down, looking at posture on the scales, each visit. This is how we get some of the best results because of each kind of um objective tool, which allows again us to balance the nervous system to start really making these uh amazing changes with our patients' lives.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Awesome, awesome. I and then one of the things I wanted to point out that I know that one of the initial tests that you employed was um me having me step on a scale, two scales, right, that measured your weight on your right side versus your left, and there was a incredible disparity between the two on day one. But some of that has changed, obviously, over the course of treatment for me. I just wanted to make that comment.

SPEAKER_03 15:04

That's one thing we see all the time.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Awesome, awesome. Now, your your treatments are specialized. What do you actually what is actually meant by that, specialized, Dr. Nessa?

SPEAKER_02 15:16

Yeah, a specialized. Each person's coming in with different things, right? Different symptoms. But what we're always looking at on the CBCT scan images is their structure, because we know structure dictates function. So when we look at that, we're always looking at the cervical spine, the neck. We're looking to see normally we're supposed to have a nice banana-shaped curve in the neck. It's supposed to be between 32 to 42 degrees. A lot of times the patients coming in with a lot of serious symptoms, they don't have a curve in the neck, which is not good because in order to have a hundred percent of our nerves coming from the brain down the brainstem, we have to have that 32 to 42 degree curve. So that's something that we have to work with our patients on, is getting that structure back. Another thing we look at is degeneration. A lot of times with a lot of older patients, when they come in, they have had a bone that's been out of place for a long time. And we always ask them, Well, do you think if you were 12 years old and you fell off your bike and you popped this bone out of place, do you think it got better or worse over time if you never saw a chiropractor? And they always say, Oh, worse. I was like, Yeah, so this is what's going on with the degeneration. So what we want to do is stop the degeneration and get that curve back in the neck so that patient can start feeling better. But then we also want to make sure that it lasts for a longer time. Right. We don't want to just make them feel better and then then leave and then these symptoms come back again. So working on the structure is very, very important for a lot of patients. And then from that, they see us for maintenance care once every month, making sure everything's good and they get their life restored, and it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Um, now, are athletes a unique group in terms of what you see on a normal basis? And then what types of occupations are difficult on the spine? Dr. Costa.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

So, you know, I always say that there's a quote by Arnold Schwagenager, something regarding how chiropractic was one of the major tools in this toolbox, which allowed him to perform at his optimum best. Now, as you might know, all major uh uh athletes do have chiropractors on their teams because it does enhance performance. And as top athletes, gold medalists, um, athletes from every single walk uh in life require or want to achieve, again, number one, is to achieve that you know, most athletes are going to understand that integrating chiropractic care in their lifestyles is gonna enhance neurology, which enhances muscle recovery, uh, muscle firing, when there's better um communication between the brain and the musculoskeletal system, again, the body will perform at a much optimal level. That's why we see many different players, um, athletes, such as yourself, has been an extensive amount of stress with um rugby and MMA fighting. We've seen many soccer players, football players, hockey players. Um, I've seen a lot of different complex uh cases when it comes, when it came down to concussions and whiplash injuries from these sports. And it's not just, you know, the concept of working on the upper neck bones, it's also working on the cranial bones. Now, what most people don't realize is that there's nine different bones in the skull that also move in certain circadian rhythms or certain ways whenever we breathe in and breathe out. And during the concussion, what's going to happen is it happened is that a lot of times these bones will get stuck in a certain pattern, which will disrupt neurology, the blood supply, that CSF flow that pumps from the brain, um, the brain uh to the lower part of the spine. And we will work very specifically with the cranial bones too. Again, it also allows us to help these patients that have these post-concussive uh symptoms as well. So, again, chiropractic care is such a unique, very special um addition to athletes' lives because, again, it will change their outcomes to perform at their most optimal level.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Nice. And then then the other, and so beyond athletes, what are the uh uh I'll revisit the second question from that part or part B from that question. What other types of occupations do you find have been difficult on the spine?

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Um, let's say here. I mean, we see everything and everyone in in this kind of in our offices. I mean, we I would say that's kind of stressful in the spine are definitely the occupations that require a lot of physical uh stress on the bodies. Like we see a lot of people that are in construction. We also see people that are um sanitation departments, uh firefighters, uh cops, um, and obviously the day-day individuals that are working from home or on computers that have this hunched over position that's creating us so much stress on the neck, on the upper traps.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

That's actually where I was that was that's where I was getting at. I wanted to hear that. I wanted people to hear that.

SPEAKER_03 20:11

I figured. I figured, yeah, those are the people. I would say most people are in that hunched over position for seven to nine hours on a daily basis. And what's what's happening is that people are losing the natural curvature of the neck, just like Dr. Swapani mentioned. Uh, people are getting these muscles super, super stiff. And again, that's gonna require for people to try other traditional things that might help. And sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes that massage or that acupuncture or that those stretches aren't enough. And a lot of times, you know, those are the patients that we help get from point A to point B, which allows them to be not in pain anymore. And obviously, people want to not be in pain. Yeah, and we do get some of the best results, and you know, yeah. That's how we that correlates to that.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

That's yeah, that makes sense. Dr. Nessa, I know you treat pregnant mothers and their babies. Uh, what exactly does that entail?

SPEAKER_02 21:05

Yeah, good question. So when pregnant moms come in, we're always wanting to help them so that they can have easier and better births that are shorter. So the concept there is we utilize the Webster technique. And what that does is that helps to balance everything out with the different muscles and ligaments that attach to the pelvis, the sacrum, the pubic bones, so that the baby has more room. The benefits of this too is that a lot of babies or a lot of moms that find out that their babies are breached, don't know what to do. And they think that the C section is their only route. But the reason sometimes that that can happen is because there's constriction in the muscles on one side versus the other. And so the baby actually doesn't have room to flip. So that's what we work on with our moms too when they come in is the western technique and allowing there to be a balance of the muscle tone so that the baby can actually flip. When it's time on its own, head down. And then from that, there's a lot of less stress on the pelvis, a lot of less back pain when moms are in labor. And a lot of moms are so grateful to have found Webster technique for the fact that their labors compared to the ones in the past where they didn't have chiropractic care is by far so much better. And then in regards to the second question, babies, 93% of babies are born with misalignments in the upper part of their spine. A lot of people don't know that. But if you watch birthing videos, you'll see them pull their necks a lot of the times, even in C-section or if it's done vaginally. And it's really sad to watch. A lot of the times, right, parents don't know. They just think, oh, we just gotta get them out. But the baby knows what it's doing. The mom's body knows what it's doing, and the baby can come out normal without having to have that physical hand grabbing their neck. And they're so pliable too that you know, and 93% of them they're having these upper cervical misalignments. Now, when they're born, their neurology and their brain is trying to adapt to this new world that they're in, right? How can they do that if they have misalignments and now their brain can't communicate with the rest of the body, you know, the way that God designed it? So it's a beautiful thing when babies come in, we release the interference. Now they were constipated, now they're pooping too much, they weren't able to sleep, they can sleep, they weren't able to latch, now they can latch. And they're so easily able to bounce right back and to heal the body very quickly. Um, a lot of patients are parents are very surprised, you know, by the baby's next bow movement. Oh, happened like six hours after the adjustment. It's amazing. They haven't pooped in like a week, you know. Crazy stories like that.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

So crazy. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense though. Yeah. I mean, I guess so basically this is almost an ad advertisement of for for anybody that's struggling with crying babies at night, bring them in to Apollo because Dr. NASA and Dr. Costa can can take care of that. It makes much sense. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:02

Wow. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, most people know what they're experiencing when they go to a chiropractor, but they don't often know what to expect. Uh what does the healing journey look like for patients from start to finish from the first initial care plan? Dr. Costa?

SPEAKER_03 24:20

Oh, I would say each patient goes through a different different kind of healing process. I always say that in the beginning couple weeks, you know, patients are going to feel one of three ways. The first way patients are gonna feel is exactly the same from when they started. The second way is like they got hit by a bus. And the third way is gonna be, you know, starting feeling better. Now, all three are super, super important to understand that they're all normal. Now, the second one that I mentioned, feeling like they got hit by a bus, is something that someone that's hearing this might say, hey, that's that's pretty scary to experience. But the truth of the matter is that the body needs to go through this thing called retracing back to house for it to start moving in the right direction. Now, you know, when we start bringing more light in the nervous system by adjusting the body very specifically, what happens is we're finally opening up that light in that room that's been closed off for God knows how many years, 15, 20, 30 years. There's spider webs in it, there's a mess in it, there's dust all over the place. And we start clearing that when we start opening up the nervous system. And ideally, with retracing, the brain has to go back to certain events in the past that the body wasn't capable of healing properly because the nervous system wasn't functioning at 100%. Now that the nervous system is functioning at 100%, the body's capable of going back to heal that certain event 100%. And I think that certain thing happened to you too, PK. I think I remember uh you you letting me know that you felt like like shit. I remember after my my first adjustment with you. I know Dr. Inessa took care of you maybe three times before that. I was like, TK, this is normal. Trust that your body is doing exactly what it knows how to do. That's uh the body needs to detox.

SPEAKER_00 26:05

It's funny that you mentioned that because I, you know, I I know that uh when you adjusted me that day, it was it was you know it was very gentle, but it was something so profoundly deep about what I felt inside of myself. Um I'm like, hmm, I might have some reflections later. And then um I I started to feel sick later that I I get sick, I never got sick to the point where I broke out. I uh actually I was like uh most people might say I'm delusional and um uh a little like crazy anyway all the time. But I was at the point where it's almost like uh it was almost dangerous for me to operate a vehicle because I was so emotionally charged. It was insane, like it was so crazy for no reason, but for clearly all the reasons in the world as you're describing. So I'll turn it back over to you.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, this is the conversation I have with so many patients, and I always say just trust the process. The body knows what it's doing. Your body does is so incredibly smart. I mean, it's smarter than any computer out there on this planet. I mean, the the brainstem by itself has 76 trillion nerve fibers. You know, as we reconnect again the brain to the body effectively, different things happen to different patients. And ideally, again, that retracing period where sometimes the body goes through these uh many bumps in the road, uh, only lasts a couple weeks, and ideally it's just smooth sailing up to that point. So the healing journey starts at a certain point. And again, we make sure that we always recommend certain care plans and help our our patients understand that healing doesn't uh happen overnight. Healing does take some time. And if we can properly heal the body, not just make you feel better, that's the real fruit of the work that we do. Getting somebody feeling better is easy, but get making sure that they stay well and this heals properly, that's the biggest thing. And some people are gonna understand that once they finish the first initial care plan, and some people aren't gonna understand that because we live in this world where we have this instant gratification where um you know everything is done uh, you know, with uh the snap of our fingers or uh idea of this model in healthcare where we're uh pathogenic mindsets. And the pathogenic mindset is like we only take care of our bodies when we feel sick. But why not do something on a daily basis that's gonna help our bodies feel in the right direction, like eating healthy, like exercising, like breath work, like chiropractic care, massage therapy, whatever you want to incorporate on a daily basis. So this is the salutogenic uh kind of mindset or or um health plan that we try to educate our patients. And like I said, those are the patients that are really functioning at their best, because our health has nothing to do with how we feel, but everything to do with how well we can adapt to the environment and adapt to stress, physical, emotional, and chemical stress on a daily basis for the rest of our lives.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

Yeah, 1,000%. 1,000 percent. Now, now when we discuss this podcast, you guys let me know that you have a case study that you uh are particularly proud of. Um, would you like to share the case of a patient named Sierra?

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Yes. So Sierra came into us about three months ago now, because she just finished up her first phase of care. And when she came in, boy, did she have a laundry list of health issues and symptoms that were going on. A lot of serious stuff. So I'll just read to you some of the things that she had going on, obviously dizziness. She was always felt like she was out of breath, even though she wasn't doing anything, headaches and random areas of her head. She felt like she had water coming down her legs. She also had her head that would just start throbbing when she started standing up. She would have blurry vision, sensory overload, muscle fatigue. She also had pain in her upper part of her shoulders. She also had this nerve sensation in her teeth when she was walking. Um, she also felt like bugs were crawling on her temple regions on her head. And she had this chest pain that was always there, it would just never go away. And that's just some of them. I won't read you the rest, but just some of those that she was struggling with. And in the beginning, she told me, she said, I have hope that this is gonna work. And I told her, Well, you're in the right place. So I think a lot of times with patients, it really comes down to do they believe that this is gonna work? Do they believe that their body can heal? Um, that has a huge impact on the healing journey, especially when working with upper cervical, because it takes time because it's so specific, right? All healing takes time and that repetition. So good news for her, she came in for her re-exam at the end of this phase of care, and she is 60 to 75 percent better. That's 60 to 75 percent healed. She is a mom of two kids. You can imagine how she couldn't even function in her everyday life when she first came to us, and to see where she is now and to see how much better of a mom she is to her kids, and how they can actually enjoy her being home instead of wondering what's wrong, mommy. It's so amazing to see that. And we're so proud of her. We're proud of her for having hope in the process and trusting her body's innate wisdom to heal. And she is one of our miracle core cases, and we're so proud of her.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

That's uh that's extraordinary, and it's actually quite um hopeful for anyone out there that's working with you, that just started. Um, you know, myself, I you know, I started with you a few weeks ago, and I've already experienced some changes, some very subtle but very profound subtle but profound and foundational changes um just in in you know my health. And so I I I can testify to that. So that's pretty that's pretty awesome. Um I just yeah, I want to I wanna just uh throw out there, do you either of you want to offer anything else?

SPEAKER_03 32:09

Um uh I can probably say one more thing. So, you know, the body has an amazing capability to heal itself. I've mentioned this many, many times. And yes, I believe an awesome creator was smart enough to equip us with a maintenance plan designed to keep our bodies working well. Now, in the event that your system becomes depleted or broken down, you're designed with an internal repair kit called your nervous system. And that's what we work very specifically with. Now, this system is a perfect system whose primary job is to really to keep you well. So, quite plainly, if your nervous system is out of order, your entire body will be out of order. When we can really get our patients to understand that the work that we're doing, again, I never want to get get take credit for helping these amazing cases, these quote unquote miracle cases. Again, each each case is a real, is a really miracle case, but for us, it's just another day-to-day experience to get our patients from point A to point B. You know, we do 5% of the job, which is removing the interference between the brain and the body. The body does 95% of the healing. So that's why I always say we never want to take credit for God's work or the body's way of functioning better. But if we can really precisely understand where we need to fine-tune those parts of the nervous system by working with the spine, that's how we get these best results. Because upper cervical chiropractic care is truly the best kept well secret on this planet. And finding an upper cervical chiropractor is not so easy to find, but we can always leave a couple websites for uh your viewers to find um individuals just like us. All you gotta do is go on newccnearme.com or upper cervical care.com to find your closest upper cervical chiropractor. And again, we're definitely um to your listeners' disposal. If anyone has any specific questions, you can find us on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, uh, YouTube. Um, we can leave a couple emails on this podcast if we need to. Uh that's pretty much it.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

Well, that's a lot. I I want to thank you both so much for joining me today. Um, my guests have been Dr. Costa Cicadas and Dr. Inesta Sclofani, both from Apollo Upper Cervical Chiropractic with offices in Manhattan.