Phreak Klass Season 1 Episode 8 Dr. Jigar Gandhi

IN this episode, Phaidra talks with Dr. Jigar S. Gandhi a leading biological dentist based in North Massapequa, New York, who connects oral health with whole-body longevity and biohacking. Trained at Stony Brook Dental School, he practices minimizing toxins, using metal-free ceramic implants, and treating hidden jaw infections. 

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SPEAKER_01 1:03

Your background includes studying traditional dentistry at studying process, followed by some biological dentistry training at then continuing education at other institutions, including studying acupuncture. My first question is after you became a board certified dentist, what made you keep going and how did you arrive at biological dentistry?

SPEAKER_00 1:28

So curiosity. I've always loved the qu the word why. And yeah, I worked on my wife at the time as my girlfriend in 2012, and uh did two root canals on her, uh her upper first molars. And then for six years after that, she suffered with migraine. Um we took a look quite often at those root canals with x-rays. I had other specialists take a look too, and they determined everything was okay. Then 2018 came along, um, and she's like, take those teeth out. And I was like, no, because clinically they were acceptable, everything would look perfectly fine uh to traditional dentistry, and that's all I knew. Read the radiograph, it looks good. Um the 3D scan looks good, so why are we taking something out that's actually looks good? And she's like, No one believes me that this is what's going on. So she looked on the internet, she found something about the root canals that that's what could be causing her migraines, and she said, take them out. So I took them out finally after six years. And as soon as I took them out, she felt better. And till this day, uh, seven years later, there's no migraines at all. So that started my curiosity into what was actually going on beyond what we call form and function, or at least what I call form and function, uh, which is traditional dentistry. Form is the crown, it looks good, or aesthetics, uh like veneers, everything looks good, and function, the tooth is you can bite with it, right? And that's what traditional dentistry is. Then I just started go down that rabbit hole because after a loved one heals, uh, you want to know what else is out there. And then uh I started emailing doctors around the world and connecting with them, traveled to their offices, and uh we just started sharing techniques. So I love cleaning the jawbone, and uh I was using the traditional techniques to clean the jawbone. Um and they showed me how they were doing it, and uh, we just shared techniques and from there it just kept evolving and evolving and never stopped learning.

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Wow. Wow, the cleaning of the gums, that's interesting because you know, and uh that was that's just such a um like you say in in traditional dentistry it's it's pretty s straightforward. But what what is when you talk about cleaning of the cleaning of the gums, what does that really mean? And in in traditional. So cleaning of the bone.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

So yeah, so cleaning of the bones. Like the gums is what we see. Right. Um the bone is what's gonna be underneath the gums, right? So uh when we're dealing with any infected teeth or any teeth that are dead, necrotic, or teeth that have been taken out, but the jawbone wasn't cleaned properly. Uh so what we do is we make an incision into the gums and we can actually visualize the bone. Then we use different modalities of um using ozone therapy, ultrasonics, uh, which help really cleanse the bone well without doing any additional damage. And then a laser. Uh the laser is actually a special type of green laser. Um, and what that does is it creates this whole sonic wave inside um what we the hole that we created or the the area that we're trying to clean. And that removes the endotoxins from there. And the ozone also helps remove any of the pathogens that shouldn't be there. Because in what we learned in dental school is okay, there's bacteria in the mouth, um, sometimes fungus, but what about the viruses and what about the parasites? What about the amigos? That's all in the mouth, too, and that's stored inside the jawbone when there's an infected tooth. So if you had a tooth pulled and it wasn't cleansed properly, those bugs still love to live there because the gums close up the top, so now you have an oxygen-free environment. There is it's anaerobic, and when it's an anaerobic environment, the bugs just go happy and they just love that environment. They just keep pulling. So it becomes a cesspool or a swamp of pathogens.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Yikes. Um in traditional dentistry, do they do they not clean the bone that way? Is that a not so much of a thing?

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Okay, so traditionally if you use a curette, which is like a spoon. Sometimes a spoon has some spikes. So you'll go around cleaning it, uh, using that, which is mechanical deridment um and manual, because it's by using just your hands, and then you're gonna use thermal saline, hopefully, to irrigate the area. But that's not enough. You reuse what happens is each tooth has a ligament. It's called the periodontal ligament or the PTO, and that's what helps innervate each tooth. So each tooth has a nerve, as a lymphatic, and has the blood supply. So if it has a nerve, it has a limph, and the function of it is a chew, that means each tooth is an organ. So what happens is when the the ligament is not removed and the tissue closes, the bone becomes scorotic and it never heals properly. And the brain will still still think there's a tooth there because that's all it knows. Like, hey, that there should be something there. And so it keeps sending signals there, but it's sending signals to the pathogens, not to um the tooth. And then what happens over time is those bugs latch onto or the pathogens, they latch onto the nerve and they make their way into the brain, what we call a retrograde exonyl transporter or rat for short, and then it spreads over to all over the body.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Wow. That's that's insane. Um that's pretty pretty remarkable, actually. And the the fact that most people don't know this is frightening. So um biological dentistry, right? It starts with the premise that there is a systematic connection between oral health and overall well-being. It presupposes that there is a strong connection effect, if you will, between oral health and cardiovascular health, metabolics and diabetes, neurodegenerative disorders, Alzheimer's, and persistent inflammation. How widely accepted is this belief and how widespread in clinics, hospitals, and dental practices across the country? Um how widely accepted is this in those institutions?

SPEAKER_00 8:04

So it's not widely accepted. There's articles out there saying, like, okay, well, if you have inflamed gums, um, like recently there was an article released about Alzheimer's linked to propyl. Well, propomal is gingivalis, so PG, uh, which is a periodontal bug that's in the what we call the periodontal pocket that could be there for patients who don't get routine cleanings, and then they have bone loss around the tooth. But that's the extent of the article. Like it doesn't go deep into saying, okay, what else can be going on? Right? Because we're not just dealing with bacteria, we're dealing with neurological issues, which is Alzheimer's, and that's viral. So each tooth is innervated by what we call the trigeminal nerve, which is just think of each tooth as an extension of your brain. So now if it's damaged, why did the tooth get damaged? And you know, you said metabolic and diabetes. If someone comes with a mouthful of cavities, are they really eating sugar all day long? Okay, if they're eating sugar all day long, they still have saliva or they something to wash it down. Why isn't the saliva washing the the pathogens away? So we gotta look at cavities a different way. Uh it's a metabolic issue. And every disease is metabolic, which hence inflammation, diabetes isn't just inflammation when we really think about it. Um, why is there inflammation? And the gums are our indicator, right? It it tells me everything. If the gums are swollen, what's going around that tooth? Now, has that tooth been worked on before? Okay, why has it been worked on? And then take a deep dive into it and look what else is going on in the bony structure around that tooth. And this way we get a whole picture. But uh it's not widely accepted. Biological dentistry, it's it it's gonna get there, you know. Um social media is helping us push it. Uh like that like what we're doing now, especially is helping us move forward. And believe if we educate patients more, then it's gonna push forward. Educating dentists is it's it's not gonna get anywhere because they're just stuck in their ways. Um, the new generation of dentists who are or uh dental students, they love this stuff because they love social media. So they eat this stuff every day. And so I think uh we're we're we're doing the right thing by educating people.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

You are, and then I want to bring up the point with my mother, for example. You you've worked with my mother um who was diagnosed with MCI malcognitive impairment slash early stage Alzheimer's. And you know, I think you you you've worked on her mouth uh was uh maybe like nine months ago. And I I just want to comment on the fact that yeah, she's not she has not completely recovered from her condition uh altogether, but her the progression of the disease certainly altered. Um it's amazing. Um you talk about that she had periodontal disease and she was treated for periodontal disease, I don't know, maybe 20 years ago. And you you were and and you can you can tell us what you found when you opened up her gum.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Yeah, so uh like with your mother, she also was told like everything was okay with their with their teeth. And like when when I saw her x-rays, I that's the complete opposite, because I could see all the disease here. The thing was everything was okay, quote unquote, because she didn't experience pain, right? So sometimes what we do as then is we just ask, does it hurt? Okay, no, then everything's okay. And that's the extent 99.9% we go, right? But we gotta go a step further. Well, underneath all those crowns and bridges she had done, there was just cysts and just infections in her jawbone. Of course, they weren't causing her pain, but they were taking a toll on her brain and neurologically she was in decline. Right? Now, and if this was caught way back, then the progression of the disease might have never happened, or it would have been slowed down tremendously. Right? We're all gonna age, we're all gonna get older, but if we can slow the progression down as much as possible, it's gonna help us all live a healthier and better life and clear and have a quality of life, right? So once we cleaned out the jaw bone, she healed like a champ. I mean, your mom is just amazing. Like her diet and her nutrition, you can tell right away, which is huge in in biological dentistry. That's the foundation, nutrition. Uh, as soon as I removed those sacks of infections, the blood was just nice and bright red. And I hardly ever see that with the patient. I have to really work to make the site clean. And with hers, it was just one, two, three, and then she healed so well.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

And now she has a ceramic implant, and then she has a temporary bridge, and finally we'll go to the final teeth for her. But it's it's a step-by-step process, and I'm glad to hear that. You know, it slowed down tremendously. Um, it's hard to get full resolution of what she was having, but you know, it's something that she learns to live with, but it's a better quality of life she has.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Yeah. Well, listen, I I really in short, like I want to thank you so much for for for doing that and and bringing that sort of new perspective and really new twist on life for her. So I can't tell you how much I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

You're welcome. Thank you for trusting me because I know she she's traveling from far.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Yeah. All the way from child just straight up from the listen, in your opinion, where does modern dentistry fall short? And where has traditional dentistry even perhaps caused harm?

SPEAKER_00 14:04

In Switzerland, they did a whole study. Switzerland in Germany saying like 80% of uh chronic disease is caused by dentists. And to me, it makes sense because if we did traditional dentistry, like put a metal crown inside your mouth, let's just say. That metal might have nickel, might have palladium, might have bandium or palladium in it, and then it can also have gold and silver. So there's all these different metals that are interacting. But saliva is a is a buffer, it's it has salt in it. So when you put salt and a metal together, there's low grade of electrocution. So as soon as that starts happening to an organ, you're you're constantly zapping yourself. But it's low grade, and it's gonna take years to start. But chronic disease is a progression, just like heart disease, just like cancer, uh, just like diabetes, it doesn't happen right away, but it happens over time. So in modern dentistry, if we did a better job looking at the patient as a whole and not just treating one tooth at a time, and the biggest obstacle to that is the insurance costs. You know, you graduate from dental school, you're three, four, five hundred thousand dollars in debt, and you need to go make a living. So you do one-tooth dentistry, you forget about comprehensive dental care, looking at the pa the patient as a whole. So you gotta take a step back and look at the overall picture. The other step, the other thing is you gotta get the insurance companies not being influencing these dental schools because now they're influencing dental schools or these private equity groups are influencing the students. Hey, come work for us and spend their one-tooth entry. But that being said, the patients also need to be educated too because they feel like they have the best insurance and they think that they're gonna get the best care because their insurance covers everything. Just call your insurance company up, just do that, do this one thing, call your insurance company up and ask them a simple question. Do you care about my health? See what they say. And if they they're gonna say absolutely Yeah, yeah, yeah, we love we we uh of course care about your health, then why do you only cover like $1,500 or $2,500 and then there's all these stipulations?

SPEAKER_02 16:21

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Right? So if the patient could start, be basically become your own advocate and start at home with the best oral health care routine and regimen, then you might not need to see the dentist. Right? You might just need for simple cleanings in and out, and you can avoid all this extensive dentistry. So it all starts there. Um modern or traditional dentistry, it's gonna keep progressing. There's it's gonna be two avenues, just like there's a medicine and then there's functional medicine, you know, there's it's gonna take different roads. And there and it just depends on which road the patient wants to go. Because the it to set a standard, I mean I would love if it was a set standard, but to see that happening, uh, it's it's a battle and it's gonna be very tough because you have your general dentist and you have all your specialists, and everyone thinks that they're pre their part of the the only thing that matters. Um the other thing that for me is I um like a panorex is a 2D x-ray of your whole mouth. If physicians, medical the whole medical society, medical professionals just look at that x-ray and then took a look at the patient, and all they have to see is okay, something missing or something white or dense on there. They don't need to know anything more than that. They're like, okay, well, this needs to be addressed or taken a look at before we do anything further. If those simple steps were taken, more patients will be treated, there'll be less health care costs.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

You talked about some of the the basic routine, right, that people could maybe adopt.

unknown 18:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:08

What can you give me explain? I mean, I I have an idea because I I follow a routine every morning. But can you tell tell the listeners like how they can kind of take control of their dental health without you know spending a ton of money or you know having to consult even like a biological dentist, if they can't do that right now or they don't they don't have one in their in their area, what what are some things they can do at home?

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Yeah, so the basic things, if you have any mouthwash, throw it out, right? Because the ingredients in there, if you look at each single ingredient, some is a floor cleaner and and all this toxic stuff in there. You don't need it. So you can use coconut oil pulling or extroversion oil. Uh coconut oil or extroversion oil for coconut or oil pulling, right? That's the best way to say it. Uh five minutes a minimum. If you can do it for longer, it'll be better. Um just swish it around your mouth and you'll feel the difference with your gums and your teeth. Uh, of course, don't spit it in the tub because you don't want to clog the trains or have someone slip. Just you know, spit in a napkin or in uh in a garbage can. Then uh flossing, you want to use either a water pick or floss without any forever chemicals or microplastics. Um there are out there, they can look that up, like floss without PFAs, uh BPA, and microplastics. Uh for toothpaste, I like using a tooth powder. I don't like toothpaste because anytime there's a paste, there could be chemicals in there. The powders I like better. Uh, so you use that. And then the other the last thing is using a tug tongue scraper. Get a copper tongue scraper because the metal interferes with a lot of the things inside, um, minerals and um can interact, and you don't know what kind of metal, so use a copper tongue scraper. If you did those four things twice a day, you're gonna be far ahead of everybody else.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Spot on, spot on. Excellent. Um how does this philosophy, right, that you talked about a while ago between you know modern dentistry, um traditional dentistry, like how how does this philosophy differ in actual practice, the philosophy you've adopted, like using ozone therapy, using red light lasers, all of those things?

SPEAKER_00 20:29

Uh there's a lot of learning to it, right? So if you can go take a course that's either given to you for free by a pharmaceutical company, or you can pay for a course, right? Um Yeah, I went to those free courses early on in my education, and then I realized they're just trying to sell me something, their own products, and the research that they're doing is internal. There's nothing proven. And I stopped going to those, and then you start paying for these classes. And once you start paying for something, you start like, oh well, I paid a lot of money for this this course, and they're not cheap. Some are thousands or tens of thousands of dollars. And then you're like, okay, well, what's going on here? Why are they doing things differently? And you start seeing case studies, and I think the best way is to learn is by case studies where you you see the patient from the start, then the middle, and then the final, and see the transition, and like then it re relates to like procedures you've done. So then you start questioning why didn't I take those steps? And then you start taking those steps, and you see the difference in the patient's health. And then once that happens, you just become addicted to it and you're like, okay, this is the way I need to do everything. Right? But again, that's curiosity. And then it's also part of like the the basics is a Hippocratic oath when you think about it, do no harm and keep your ethics in. But over the years that has been lost. Right. Um so it it's a division. Um, but I wish and I hope we're working on it, creating a whole standard for biological dentistry because the biggest problem now that we face in biological dentistry or holistic dentistry. And I hope no prof no they don't take offense to this, but it's like real estate agents or stock traders, day traders. Everyone's doing it. Right? It's just a slogan that people put up on their on their commercials or their their marketing stuff of the biological holistic dentist because they took one course. But that's actually harming patients because then revisions need to be done. We're we're trying trying not to do revisions constantly.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

Wow. Well, you know, I I'm I mentioned a couple of things, right? But I'd love for you to briefly talk a little bit about you talked a little bit about ozone therapy. Um you talked a little bit uh about or you mentioned green laser therapy, but can you go through all about now? Um go through each one, tell us a little bit about what each of it. Umzone therapy, red light lasers, platelet-rich fiber therapies, toxin reduction therapies, and acupuncture. How do those just transform people versus other sort of again traditional therapies and dentistry?

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Yeah, so ozone therapy, you know, one of the things that about ozone, they say it's toxic. Well, sh it's toxic if you're breathing it in and into your lungs. But if you're using it inside the socket, meaning the walls of the bone, to cleanse it, what it happens is the blood, any to it So O3 is three oxygens, right? O2 is oxygen, what we breathe. So when you have O3, you have this radical oxygen. This this thing is so violent that it's just bouncing around. And all it wants to do is go wherever any there's any disease, and it just kills it. It just neutralizes it. So what you see in the blood, it goes from dark red to this bright red blood. So it's a cleanser, it cleans everything, cleans any viruses, any parasites, any bacteria, any amoebas, any mold. It just gets rid of it, and which really helps us out, right? Um, the next thing was uh PRF, play with a rich vibrant. So we draw the blood, we find the centrifuge, and we get two different types of uh uh what we call LPRF, which is a membrane, um, and then uh concentrated PRF. So we use the concentrated PRF to mix in with some bone graft material, either synthetic bone, animal bone, a cadaver bone, just depends on the situation. We mix those together so it creates a sticky bone. So when we put that into the socket after the tooth is taken out and cleansed, it helped it starts the healing process uh really well. And then we cover it with um a PRF membrane, which think of it as like an intelligent membrane because it has your own cells in it and it helps close the area quicker and less inflammation. Um, the next thing was acupuncture. So we follow like I referenced the meridian chart. So it's nothing that I'm a genius or I'm special in dentistry or I see things that no one else sees. I just I use a reference chart, which is a meridian pathway. It was designed 5,000 years ago. And it's readily available. We have it on our website digital. Um, but if there's an issue with a tooth, it can be a blockage of the meridian chart, or which is the acupunct, that's what acupuncturists use. They use the acupuncture, meridian assessment, or uh the meridian, the acupuncture pathways. So if there's a there's a blockage with either a dead tooth, a metal, or a tooth that was taken out, and look at that area, and it correlates to what else is going on in the rest of the body. And can it be that tooth? Maybe. Can it not? It it's hard to say, but if it's causing harm, then we should address it. Uh and then you said the the endotoxins was the green laser. So this green laser it it's the this one company makes it, um, and it works really well where we put it inside this the socket and it just basically stirs it up. It's like creates a little tornado inside there. And the bone is porous, and what happens is endotoxins are infuse in the bone and it just cleanses everything out. It's called the sweeps um uh procedure. So it was actually created for endodonts to use inside the root canals. Well a lot of us decided to use it inside the bone because it doesn't like a tooth is like a bone, it's uh it's cementum and dentin, which is stronger than bone. But if it works inside trying to do a root canal, why don't we do it inside the bone? And we'll get better results too, because we're cleansing the whole bone. Uh so it's like creates a sonic wave inside this uh photoacoustic sound. So it's pretty pretty wild how it works. Uh the red light we use for healing at post-surgical, um, and it was it's a different wavelength of 660 and 850 uh nanometers, and that really works to help uh any uh keep inflammation down. I believe those are the ones that you said. I don't know if there missed one of them.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Yeah, just one last toxin reduction therapies. And that you it may include some of the ones you've already mentioned, but was curious.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Yeah, so and and also with the toxin reduction, we want the body to be prime uh for inflammation. So what that means is we want to get you uh, and one of my buddies, he's out in Germany, Dr. Dominic, and he's the he really got this uh the nutrition down um for all of us. And we want the patient to be in an anabolic state, which you know completely about building bone. So it's high protein, one gram per pound. You cut out the sugars, you cut out the vegetable or seed oils, you cut out the dairy, conventional dairy, uh raw or A2 is okay, and cut out the gluten. So the cut out those inflammatory markers, clean diet, clean nutrition, you're taking your vitamin D3, your K2, your calcium, all the supplements to magnesium zinc, um, B12, and it's gonna help us build bone. So we're reducing the toxin load of the body right off the bat because the diet is clean. Then we clean up the jawbone or the teeth that shouldn't be there. Now you're exposed to less toxins because you don't have as much toxins inside your mouth, and your body can start to handle things. So everyone has a bucket, and when that bucket gets full, sickness starts. So we as soon as you walk outside um the studio, you're exposed to toxins. But the the less you have internally inside your body, the more you can handle, and your body can recover. Because your human body is very intelligent, it can heal, it could recover very quickly. But when we give it overloads and the toxic that bucket starts to overflow, that's when disease starts.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

Yeah. Well, listen, a big part of this podcast is my personal journey. And uh full disclosure, I am a patron of yours, a proud patron of yours. Um I'd like to talk a little bit about how we've worked together. You know, mold toxicity, working with Dr. Andrew Payment to remediate that. But when you went into my mouth, you you came out and you were like, dude, you had mold in your in your gums. Like, can you talk a little bit about some of the stuff you saw in my mouth?

SPEAKER_00 31:17

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. So you had uh some root canals that weren't doing so well that had um basically on the x-ray, we can see a a black area at the end of the root. Uh you were asymptomatic, but you knew like you came in knowing that there was an issue with it, right? So it wasn't me trying to convince you, like, hey, this root canal is not good, it needs to come out. You're like, you're you already knew that there was a problem with it.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Um and then you had titanium implants. Uh and again, 99.9 or 99.1% of implants throughout the world are done that are titanium. But it was affecting you, it was affecting your fighting, it was affecting your recovery and your workouts. And we talked about it, and I took a we took some intro photos, and your gums were purple. Well, now both me and you, we're both dark skinned, so our gums are gonna be darker, right? It's just melon. So, but you can see like your gums are black and dark purple, and that was that's like that's just two different metals touching each other, that's electrocution. There's a galvanic shock. And then on top of that, you had some teeth taken out before, and your bone never healed properly. So you outlined all the those on the x-ray for you. So when doing the surgery, it you know, you open the these areas up where teeth were once taken out, and if the ligament was left behind and wasn't cleansed properly, it's just a hole, and that's where the pathogens are being stored. And the bone is grayish, is it's dark brown, sometimes even black in there. And this oily substance comes out, well, or sometimes even mucus comes out. So we cleaned all that out and use the same modalities, the ozone, the lasers, and the ultrasonics to make sure the blood is flowing really well. And then we use those intelligent membranes, uh membranes to close the area. Then with the metals, we remove the metals, the metal implants and the metal crowns from you. Uh, when we remove the metal implants, you can see that the jawbone never healed around it. Well, because the bone didn't bleed. When you remove something from the bone, the bone should just prefersly bleed. But your bone was necrotic around it. So working to make the bone bleed again to allow the flow of the blood was key. And that revitalized that bone.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

How did it smell? How did it smell, Doc? Oh, it smelled horrible.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

It's horrible. I mean, that's why I have to detox every day because it's like going through this, it's like you're getting the exposure of whatever's in those sockets. So it's and it's pretty nasty when we get um, you know, we didn't biopsy, we should have biopsy, we should have sent it to a lab. But when we do get results back and you see these pathogens that are in there, these some of these things are deadly. Like, ooh.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

They if a if something can eat away bone and that's flying all around the air that's in the aerosol, like that's that's crazy. Um, and then the other thing was the root canal teeth that took out and took some photos, they sent them to you, you can see the root was black and gray, and then you had these sacks on them. Um, and it was just eating your jawbone away. So if something's eating your jawbone away, it should be a concern. It's not and you weren't in pain, again, you weren't in pain. There's no pain in that front tooth. I remember that front tooth because that was a tough one.

SPEAKER_02 34:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Um, but you had no pain, but you and it took a while to get it out, we cleaned it up, grafted everything. But why was it bone being eaten away? That's not normal. If that was happening in your skull and your brain, there would be a problem. But your teeth are in your skull. That's a problem.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. Uh you know, it's uh so hard to believe that that was actually happening in my mouth. And um but how much things have changed since that.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Um Yeah, so that that's yeah. So after we finish your surgery, what happened? Uh how do you feel?

SPEAKER_01 35:15

I feel like a different person than I did a year ago, you know. And um I move like a different person than I did a year ago. Um this was a huge part, and this will be a huge part of my you know story when I become a world champion, right? And I can talk about all the you know the the the incredible work you know that you did to to you know to bring me back to a place of balance and and health. You know? Thank you for that. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

My pleasure. That was that was good.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Yes, yes, thank you. Listen, I I I know you know you you're you know, you've worked a lot with Dr. Pompa. And um I just wanted to ask you, you know, to describe that Pompa program for us because you know it's something that's I think made a big difference in your life. So do you mind talking a little bit about that?

SPEAKER_00 36:13

Absolutely. I'm gonna I want to mention his and then I want to mention someone else as well. Uh so with Dr. Pompa's program, I reached out to him in uh April last year, 2024. Because uh so let's backtrack. My mom was a dentist, uh traditional dentist. She was pregnant with me when she was, she was a dentist in India, but pregnant with me in the US when she came here to get her license. So now that was back in the late uh 70s. Uh I was born in 84, but she was a dentist in the late 70s, and then um in the early 80s, uh she was going through dental school in the US to gain her American license. So the biggest thing I never knew about, and if any and I'll I speak freely now because I I have no holds far because I think we're just doing a lot of damage to society here and people. Um with all the metal fillings, there is mercury in there, but it's proven. But now it it's quote unquote safe. Now how is it safe when we have to have a hazardous area like to clean up that metal? It's we can't throw it in the garbage, and our suctions have to go through a certain line to capture that mercury or the metal particles before before the water goes back into sewage. So what happened was she was exposed to all those toxins. Now that goes on for four generations at mercury. So for me, I was born already with mercury toxicity. I didn't feel nothing, then in dental school, we would wear the ASM3 masks that don't protect us from mercury, drill on it, not knowing what would actually happen. Now, if they did find out, every dental school school could probably get sued. Um then from that point on, what happened started um April of last year, like January of last year, started I started like knowing like there's something wrong. Like I'm having brain fog and I'm only 40 years old, just turned 40 that time. There's an issue. Then I was like, okay, whatever, I'm gonna start like go. And then it got to March of last year. And then I just asked my some of my staff members have been with me for over a decade. My guys, what's going on? They're like, you're forgetting things. Like, I don't forget anything. Like, if I have to get the three patients, I know I have to get the patient's mom, I know what I have to do, because I would be the day before the morning off, so I know exactly what I have to do. And they're like, no, you're forgetting things. I was like, well, how long has it been going on? They're like, for a while now. I'm like, what's a while? They're like since last year, like September, they noticed it, or something like that, September, October, 2023. I'm like, okay, well, now I gotta do something like that. Just at that time, and it it just the way you found me, I truly believe there's something else spiritual out there. Gary Brucca did a podcast with Dr. Pampa. And I was like, okay, well, this is what I need to do. I watched that podcast, I'm like, Gary, get me in touch with Dr. Pampa. I just I have to do this. And I started the protocols, and within six weeks, like my eyes were yellow, my skin, I'm dark skinned, my skin was darker, my tongue was very dark, almost black, my gums were really dark purple, and I was just leaching out all this metal, the heavy metals. And it's just slow pro like it took me. I called Dr. Pump right away, like, what's going on? He's like, You need to slow this down, you're detoxing way too quick. Now, if I did any other program like heation or something like that, I would have probably died because I had so much mercury filled up in my body. Right? No blood test showed it, no, no hair sample, no, no P test showed it. It was all inorganic. You mean they have to do a brain biopsy to get it. I'm not gonna let anyone cut to my brain for a biopsy if it's not needed. Um, so I did the whole program and I finished the program uh just this past April. So I took a year to finish. And the results are amazing. Like my no brain fog, mental clarity is perfect, everything's spot on. Right? Um, so I highly recommend that program because he has a certain way of getting the metals out of you. Now I meet patients who are going through his program and they're not as successful, but the biggest thing is what are the diet? Are they still eating fish all day long? Are they still eating like not organic food? Are they not washing their produce the right way, or they're washing their lettuce the right way? Are you still eating kale or spinach that can have toxic toxicity in there, right? So a lot has to do with how they're approaching the program as well. For me, I made sure like everything was spot on and uh any supplements I took, I want to make sure they were clean supplements, not tainted with um like a cheaper supplements tainted with uh any heavy metals because I'm removing heavy metals, I don't want to get heavy metal exposure. Filtered the water, glass water bottles. So I did a whole lot to make sure that I would get the best results from this program.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

Wow. And and you're so much better. Brain fog gone. You're just you're back to better than better than before.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Correct. Wow. And yeah, and then recently I just went for um, we call it uh AMA, uh active functional meridian assessment. This uh by the name of uh he wrote a book called Accidental Blow Up. I read the book, um, and I was very intrigued. I'm like, there was just something about me, I need to meet this doctor. Uh, because he talks about the meridian pathways, and that's I love looking at the meridian pathways and looking at the patient's chart, I could just tell their history right off of it because I mean from looking at their their x-ray, I could tell their history right off of it. Um so it's fun always doing that. And uh the doctor is is Dr. Simon Yu, he's based out of St. Louis. Uh so I just recently went over there and took his course, and I mean I picked his brain about everything I could think of because like this guy figured it out, right? And we don't really talk about parasites and uh fungal uh exposure uh or uh mycotoxins as much. We talk a lot about bacteria and viruses. Um but he goes a step further and talks about parasites, and I was like, this is the hidden cause of a lot of disease because I'm cleaning up the jaw ball, and if patients are still having an issue, then there's still a problem. And that's where my curiosity went. And I was like, oh, you know what? Patients need to see him and then see the biological dentist and get cleaned up, and now they're gonna have really remarkable results, something that they've always been wanting. So highly recommend that was that was the next step. And I I I remember I when I was there, I sent you a message too. I was like, Peter, you got it. Yeah, it's just anytime like there's something set. I sent it to a lot of my patients. Like, I sent it to you, I sent it to probably a hundred plus patients right off the bat because I stay in touch with you know, I'm like, oh, this is something like because we you're always looking to get better, right? That's what you're trying to always do. If it's a millisecond, you're you're like, whatever it takes, a millisecond is like an hour, right?

unknown 43:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

Um, same thing with me. I was like, okay, well, this is different. So then I just started his protocols. I did the I went through his test, I did the protocols, and what a difference.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

Well, I got that book. I bought the book. I'm I'm starting to read it, and I'm definitely gonna I'm gonna go down that path. It's sort of the parasites I also came across. I don't know if you've heard of her, Hulda Clark. She was a Canadian uh um author, but talked about the root cause of disease being parasites and toxins. So yeah, that's pretty that's pretty awesome. Um I'm definitely gonna check that out. That's great.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

Nice. Yeah. I think you're you're gonna see a difference there because you did something too. I remember you went down to Florida, you did a whole claim.

SPEAKER_01 43:58

Oh, yeah, that was Dr. Gerson. That was insane. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 44:03

Yeah, I mean yeah. Yeah, definitely. This one uh with Dr. Yu, he believes more in like uh yeah, the homeopathics work, the herbs work, but he's like, You need to poison these demons.

SPEAKER_02 44:14

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 44:15

Like you need to get 'em out. So uh which is cool, yeah, because I was all I was looking, you see online, like everyone's like, hey, take take some agreement, whatever, you know? What are the protocols? And he's like, Yeah, if you just do if you're gonna do it the right way, that's right. You're just agitating them, they're gonna come back and haunt you.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

Like you need to really get them out the right way. So I mean he he's figured it out.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

Well well, I appreciate you for being so curious, but also for like reaching out to your your clients and and your friends and telling them about you. I mean, you're often hitting me up and letting me know about this and this thing and that thing. And it's been so helpful for me. And you know, I think you know, we both like we're exploring these things ourselves, but we're sharing them with the community, our communities, because we want to help people get better, right? Like it's not about making money, it's about it's about putting what's worked for us out there and helping other people realize some of these improvements that we've realized, right? It's all about bettering humanity in the best way that we can.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

So I agree, and that's my fault because I love mankind. It's just something about us, and it's just something about helping.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

And whatever whatever I can do, yeah, I was put in this position. I was I didn't want to be a dentist. I was an accounting and finance guy, but then just life path took me a different road.

SPEAKER_02 45:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

And yeah, and now I don't look back and I love it. You know, so it's like something that uh helped me get here spiritually, so it's like my my way of giving back whatever knowledge I can get and spread it, it just helps.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

Well, you like the the other folks that I have on this podcast are are special people. You're you're you work with me, but you've become f my close friends and family, and we're we we have equal like aligned missions in life, and um it's to help people. And I I'm I'm eternally grateful for that. I I can't say it enough. And um I hope that the you know our listeners and the rest of the folks out there, and even if they're not our listeners, like anytime you appear on a podcast, I hope people can listen to the the knowledge you're imparting and you know take something from it and and and improve their life. So uh again, I'm I'm really grateful, Dr. Gundi. I I want to thank you for joining us today, and just want to take a second to ask if you have any final thoughts or if you would like to leave us uh with anything further.

SPEAKER_00 46:40

I it's you know, one of the things I I could tell you is because of what we're doing, Pedra, the new generation, the generation that's being born is gonna be the healthiest generation ever.

unknown 46:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

You know, and and which is awesome. So it's like we're we're we're actually making a difference because you can see when parents come in, they're like, Yeah, my kids don't do this. I cut out those foods, I cut out those processed foods, and you see their kids exceling, right? So there's there is some cleanup work that needs to be done for the generations in between. But we're definitely making a mark and and it's great. You know, so just we just gotta keep at it.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

And and if anyone has any questions or wants to come on in, yeah, by all means, you know, come on in and make an appointment, we can come up with a game plan. Um this way at least you know what's going on, and then you can figure out if you want to proceed or you want to wait on it. Um but then at least you decide and just be your own advocate. Be your own health advocate. Um that's the best way you're gonna get the best care. You know, we need modern medicine, we need our emergency rooms, we need our medical doctors because they are safe to five. But also you need to be your own advocate because without that, you might not get the help that you need.

SPEAKER_01 47:47

That's awesome. Well, speaking of that, how can people get in touch with you?

SPEAKER_00 47:53

Yeah, they can go to uh ss uhdenalny.com and they can uh uh from there they can look up the website and uh send us a message or give us a call at the office.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

Thank you, Doc. I appreciate you being here today.

SPEAKER_00 48:10

I appreciate you. Thanks, Phaedra.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

Awesome. Yes, sir. I'm Phaedra Knight, and this has been FreakClass. If you enjoyed it, please subscribe and let your friends know about it. FreeClass is available on Apple, Google, and Spotify Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.