05 - Exploring Trance Mediumship with Margaret De-Petro - Part 1

In this powerful first part, I’m joined by the incredible Margaret De-Petro – international medium, trance teacher, and spiritual ambassador – to dive deep into the world of trance mediumship.

We explore how Margaret began her trance journey, what happens when her “Team Spirit” steps forward, and the incredible ways consciousness communicates through altered states. 

From seances and psychic lectures to healing and multidimensional wisdom, Margaret shares how spirit works through her with love, humour and purpose.

She opens up about what it feels like to enter trance, how her guides choose topics, and why deep surrender is key. Whether you’re new to trance or walking the path already, this episode is filled with insight, warmth and fascinating detail.

Stay tuned for Part 2 – we go even deeper.

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Transcript

Good morning and thank you for joining the Sacred Spirit Sessions, the Golden Wolfing podcast with myself Danielle. I'm so excited to bring you lots of interesting episodes, insights into what it is like to work with the spirit from so many fascinating people across the globe such as shamans and healers, psychic surgeons and mediums and energy workers and I hope this gives you some inspiration into your journey with spirit. I hope that you enjoy the stories to come and you walk this path with us. 

Hi and welcome back to today's episode. Here in part one we will look at one of the most fascinating, mysterious, powerful realms of one of the spiritual connections, transmediumship. To guide us through this we have today Margaret de Petro. 

She's an international medium, she's known for decades of her work, teaching and being a spiritual ambassador and Margaret has dedicated her life to bridging the world and training others whilst safely and ethically entering the altered states for their communication with spirit. So thank you for joining me again and I know that we're going to have an interesting conversation because there's so much that you can probably share but this morning we're going to have a chat about trans aren't we? We are indeed yes so thank you for having me back again, that's lovely. All right so exciting to have you on. 

So I know a little bit about your trans work but I don't know everything because I know that you've got such a vast array of experience and probably things that you've done but I know briefly when I came through the trans training with you we chatted about your trans journey, things like that and how you kind of, I don't think it's, you didn't tell me how you got into it but you told me examples of how it kind of, it felt like your journey just went massive. Yeah yeah, yes so first of all trans is for me, it's one of my, if I had to have sort of like a favourite form of the work that I do it has to be trans. I absolutely love trans and round about sort of probably 2012 was when I got very much you know sort of more open to looking at trans in different ways and also working with what I call my team spirit which are the energies and the consciousnesses that work through me.

So going back to that time initially I didn't want, my team spirit wanted me to do sort of seance work and they wanted to do for me to do trans so that they could lecture through me but I was sort of looking at other people at those time you know that time and I didn't want to you know sort of sit there and look very odd and this that and the other so I kept putting it off, I kept putting it off and saying no no I'm not going to do that, it's not really for me and then I had organised a retreat which I take my students on retreats two times a year and this particular retreat I was just bombarded by my team spirit because I write every morning they give me beautiful messages every morning and they just you know kept saying right we're in this lovely environment you're out in the country with your students let's just please we promise we're not going to make you look you know sort of odd when you're in a very deep trans state and this that and the other so I said okay then we'll do it so I said to the students that right you know I'm going to sit and I'm going to sit for trans and I'm just going to completely surrender over and just see what happens and that really was the beginning of the most incredible journey that I've had which is is just so wonderful the information that they've given you know sort the students and the people that I've been sitting for has been extraordinary and the lectures tend to go on for about two hours so yeah so all of it is recorded all of it is you know sort of I'm even filmed as well and then that is transcribed and honestly when I read it back I'm just dumbstruck myself it's just the most beautiful incredible wonderful loving connection you can possibly have and they looked after me and I didn't feel in fact I am it's just me going off to sleep really and of course then being able to you know sort of speak through me so so trans now is definitely something I do well every day I incorporated into trans physical healing as well of course now I do seance as well which is a different form of trans because all mediumship is trans but the trans that I do is sort of it's deeper it's a deeper form of trans with less interference from the medium's own personality or intellect so although trans is the form of trans that I do is passive in another way it's it's sort of internally very active if you know what I'm trying to say but I don't need to do anything I just need to get into that beautiful state where I can invite team spirit through once I know they're there then I just you know sort of step aside or that's the sort of feeling I have and obviously I just you know go into what looks like a sleep state because it's obviously filmed as well as recorded so if I'm doing trans where we're getting lectures that I'm I'm obviously sat upright I'm very you know I tend to be moving a lot I you know they speak through me and there's questions and and answers it's very sort of sort of an interreactive type of communication when I go into seance then I'm literally just um catatonic uh just sat in a chair so uh and then they speak through me obviously and so you know from the lectures style ones is that where people are getting kind of wisdom and knowledge and guidance and things like that is that how you guys come through you know well yes but they they tend to come through specifically with with a topic so they they seem to choose they talk about listening to my streams and my students streams and what they mean by that is their thoughts so they tend to um you know sort of compose a lecture that is surrounding that so say for instance we've been in the group and we're talking about metaphysics um and you know saying oh you know we quite can't quite understand that and it's a bit beyond us and there's that and the other or whatever it is then they quite often come through with uh like a two-hour um lecture on metaphysics and they take us from the beginning in very easy steps and explain it because they know how our brains work they know how our you know sort of brains can understand and of course when they're speaking through me they're using my um my memory my brain um and how I you know the words that I have there and everything else so they're using sort of the language that my group would understand because all the people in front of me would understand because they're used to me uh talking to them so yes they they sort of decide themselves uh what they would like to um you know share with us on occasion uh they ask you know they say right you know what would you like us to uh speak about and then they say um you know dear ones is it okay that we now um speak and what happens is with with trance um it's sort of like there is one particular um sort of energy that works with me who is almost like the doorkeeper so she's lovely she's really um she's very matriarchal she's um got a beautiful gentle nature she giggles and laughs and everything and and she'll put it at ease or she'll put the students at ease straight away um and then she'll say oh one moment please one moment please um we have you know such and such uh who's stepping forward um and when she says that she will she will talk about the energy that that is um knowledgeable on the subject that you wish to know about so they don't have names and none of them have names um but they are um my team spirit which in the way that they described it was it's aspects of me that um i have been they are aspects of me and i'm aspects of them so there are multiple multiple multiple we can't really in a three-dimensional world you can't really measure the amount of consciousness that is working through me and and um and that's with everybody it's not just me anybody can do this if they wish to do this you haven't got to be special you know and that sort of thing just have a loving commitment to to spirit world but um but yes all of these are sort of designated to their own um you know sort of specialist subject so we have what we call dr bones who comes through and he's very specialist on a medical level we've got um you know people that talk about or when i say people spirit uh consciousness that talk about uh as i say uh physics or quantum physics or the acacia records for instance or healing or the new energy or they'll talk about 5d and differences or they'll talk about how to manifest um you know stuff into your life and i mean wonderful amazing very interesting you sort of you know at the end of this obviously my spirit my students are listening to this but i listened to it afterwards and you know you just ended up on a high it's always on a high you always feel totally amazed and blessed by the communication that they've given us and in the beautiful way they've said it so that we can actually think oh my goodness yeah i understand that now so i'm going to bring that into practice so um yeah it's it's amazing you know when you were talking i was like oh my god it's absolutely fascinating and if you were describing each person i would almost like picturing them in their head even though i don't know if you you see them as a well they're not a person but like as a guide an energy and i were almost imagining them in like a physical form out of my clothes um and i'm like wow i bet your students are blown away but like you say for you when you're in it if you're catatonic and you don't know what's happening so then back i bet that's like really mind-blowing like wow did that actually just come through you know like i'd be like that well uh yes i mean it's it's so emotional as well because they could they could be so funny absolutely funny i mean i remember going way way back to the you know sort of 2012 when they they were talking about authenticity and and they said that you know they wanted to um to explain that in more clarity and then it sort of went on to illusion and how you know a lot of us are living in a world that is illusionary or we have illusionary ideas you know that we can't sort of uh you know bring to fruition and then that that sort of told us about truth and the light leading you to um illumination and the strange thing was one of the girls at retreat um she was amazing um she knits and i mean she could probably knit you i mean she can knit dolls she can knit people she knits everything incredible she doesn't look what she's doing and they were using the analogy of the yarn and knitting and saying that you know the way that we understand things um obviously in 3d is not the reality of obviously um of 5d and that's what we need to do it's like almost like knitting a cardigan and then having to pull it out and re-knit it again into excuse me into the way that you are now because obviously we're constantly evolving and we're constantly learning new things and honestly they had us in stitches literally the jokes they were pulling out and everything but what they did was they got our attention so we weren't you know when i say we weren't scared i was scared because i was saying oh my god i've got to sit there i'm going to look like an idiot you know um am i going to cry am i going to you know what's going to happen what am i going to look like but and the students were thinking oh my god you know what's going to come through and this that and the other but it wasn't it was just gentle funny using what we could understand using the analogies of what we could understand and they took it from there so it's almost like they reeled us in very gently to say you know there's so much to learn here we're so excited we can't do this without Margaret they call me their aspirant so um and you know they keep saying we are margaret margaret is us so we can't do it without her she can't do it without us and of course they talk about you know all of us when we um step over the veil all the amazing incredible information that we knew we forget and of course that's the whole point because we're choosing to live on the earth in the 3d existence where you you're learning through your choices because we're creating our reality going forwards um you know with every thought and every deed that we do so so really you know all all this beautiful information is already ours but they're trying to say look you know let us talk to you about it and they can't intervene they can't tell you stuff um that would influence your life um unless you specifically ask them a question or whatever it was that would indicate to them that they could then intervene and just give you further information because it's almost like that person who is asking that question has thought about it anyway so it's already a sort of a semi-reality inside their consciousness so uh so then they they can talk to you sort of intervene i remember we had uh one one of the students who um was having a challenge with with her um nose and breathing and uh and various things and she asked a question and although it wasn't about you know medical health and this that and the other um they just said one moment please and then another um sort of um consciousness came through and apparently because i mean obviously i saw it on film but i got up stood up and sort of scanned the students and scanned her back upwards and then said oh this is this this is that this is the other this is what causing it this is in your children this is in your your jimmy in your genetic makeup um this is what you know and they gave a whole sort of information by doing like x-ray vision which was incredible so it's just yeah it's just a delight a total and utter delight so what did you say that they call you again margaret what did what right well well they i'm their aspirin that's what they've called me so i'm their their sort of even though i am part of team spirit and they are team spirit so i'm a part of them and they are a part of me i chose um so to come down onto this earth as margaret as the as the essence of margaret so so they um then speak um you know through me so it's a choice that i made and that choice was made over the veil in conference with the rest of my team so they're very grateful that i've come over this because i think you know sort of the earth of 3d is very sticky and very you know sort of difficult challenging um you know sort of yeah so so they're very grateful that i've chosen to come down and my purpose um is balancing the opposites which is crazy really because in my other side of the work that i do i i'm a psychotherapist i'm a life coach i'm um you know hypnotherapist um all of those things which is working with the mind it's working with consciousness and of course this side is working with the metaphysical side of uh of consciousness so really you know the whole thing interlinks beautifully hand in hand um and is you know it's just wonderful to be you know working in two camps one which is you know sort of empirical science and the other one which is metaphysical science so it's wonderful and do you ever if you're working with a client do you ever blend those sessions so you know i work very similarly to yourself i've got a psychology background as a cbt therapist yes and obviously doing the um spiritual work do you ever kind of have somebody with you and say actually you would benefit from both so we'll do a therapy one session another session i'll do a bit of healing or you know coaching and just blend the sessions so they kind of get the best of both worlds definitely um because it would it would just be you know a shame it would be a waste wouldn't it not to use whatever you're being directed to like yourself i'm very very intuitive and we know that the intuitive is a very high um you know sort of form of information and when we tap into that you know it's it's just perfect it's wonderful to be able to hand that over to your your client obviously um if i'm working as you know with the psychology on my head or you know um psychotherapy um i wouldn't sort of change that if i was doing life coaching to somebody that wasn't really interested or into um you know sort of the spiritual side i i wouldn't mix those but i have so many people all of my work is is word of mouth so um and as you know i work abroad i i work um in all sorts of different fields i i teach in in switzerland and germany and um you know france and various other places so i i have lots of people who if they wish to have a mixture of life coaching that's connected on the spiritual path then obviously i would you know full throttles on i i would open up and uh and you know sort of connect in that way so definitely yes i would i thought you would if your clients were kind of to it but like you say yes movie is just coming for pure psychotherapy and they've not they're not interested in your options you've got to keep it very bounded aren't you yes yeah i mean everybody's on different levels and everybody's you know in the most perfect wonderful level that they need to be on and some people are not interested in in you know what we're speaking of today and others are so you know yeah we're all wonderful aren't we we're just all different so you know when you were talking about the different um energies that have stepped forward have you how has that evolved so have you consciously sat in trance and i'm just probably asking because i'm i'm obviously just starting my trans journey so i'm not i'm just kind of getting to grips with it like you're way ahead um so the the mechanics and the understanding i feel like i'm still finding but do you consciously um you know i want to meet this kind of guide or i would like to um channel this through or i would like to expand my team does that make sense or is it is it a choice that the presenting your gatekeeper says right okay we're going to connect with that conduct that consciousness or you know that energy man is it safe does that make sense yes i understand what you're saying um no i don't i don't specify where i want to go um because um you know i'm learning everybody's learning and obviously they know far better than me because i've forgotten so much as we step over the veil so i'm completely guided by uh by them i have obviously you know questions like you know say for instance i i wanted to know more about um the new wave healing because obviously we're in ascension now and a lot of the old ways um you know have moved on and they're working so much faster and working in completely different ways um so i would then say you know i would like to know or is it possible that you could speak to me please on this subject but generally i leave it up to to team spirit because they're constantly connected with me because i'm them and they are me so they know ahead of me what i'm even needing to to know um so when i'm actually you know sort of um say if i have a client who wants a sitting with team spirit they would obviously come with a specific uh question and um and then i would you know sort of go into trance and then the person who is sat in front of me would ask is it possible you know to have information on this but like i say they can't intervene they they can't give you information um that is going to change your choices because that that is not you know we are free spirits here we have chosen to come down onto the earth in order to have choice and to make those choices in the way that we see through our paradigm of our life um but uh but no i don't uh specifically um ask them uh you know to speak on a certain subject unless i usually leave it up to them because as i say they they know exactly what i need to hear um at that time but you're right um i mean trance is definitely uh you know the mechanics of spirit communication um and if we're looking at it you know just to say more or less how it works really is you know trance mediumship is a form of spirit communication where the medium enters sort of a very deeply altered state of consciousness um allowing spirit or consciousnesses to blend with with your own mind more directly than in say mental mediumship and mental mediumship for those that are not aware is is when you have a one-to-one sitting where you're asking for you know sort of answers or you want communication with your loved ones so trance mediumship is is a much deeper um you know sort of blending we call it bonding actually so in trance the medium sort of steps back to some degree from conscious awareness allowing a spirit communicator or communicator or consciousness to sort of impress thoughts and emotions and sensations um onto the medium or even speech upon the medium system which is what they do with me the deeper the trance the less sort of interference from the medium's own personality or intellect um occurs so that's more or less where i am so i i know they're there i completely surrender up to them and then they can speak through me so they use obviously they use your vocal point your vocal chords so they're going to sound like you they may have a higher pitch they may have a different tone they may have a deeper pitch they may have a um you know an accent sometimes uh spirits speak through me um in different languages as well you know something in french or whatever um so they they use your vocal chords so it's going to sound like in trance anyway as far as i know and i experience it's going to sound like my tonality because they're using my instrument of voice um so so that's what sort of happens you you get out of the way um it's about really becoming very highly tuned to a different frequency and that tuning happens within your own consciousness so i mean if you think about you you will obviously know i don't know if you want me to go through you know the multi-layering of the mind just that it may be of interest to your listeners if you're enjoying the work that i'm putting out to the world through this podcast there will be some bonus episodes coming up there will be some free accessible pdf downloads to help you on your spiritual journey and healing and there will also be some meditations you can support me to keep putting free work and content out to the through buymeacoffee.com and that is at sacred spirit sessions so it's buymeacoffee.com forward slash sacred spirit sessions now i'll let you get back to enjoying the episode see you soon yeah i think i think it's it's it's such a large topic to cover i don't think everybody might understand the different um mechanics of everything and you know like yeah so so if we look at i mean we've got a conscious mind so that mind is is our thinking um analytical self and it sort of governs logic and and language and reasoning um it's sort of the voice in your head and it's your inner dialogue or monologue that you know when you speak to yourself and what have you and then we've got um a subconscious mind and that subconscious mind this holds memories um it holds all the different patterns and habits and emotions that that make up who you are and it operates automatically and it's very receptive to impressions so this is this is the part of our mind that spirit are really interested in because all spirit is mind oh sorry all mediumship is mind to mind connection so they can only connect in that way and even if they connect in that way they can impress on your feelings but that's still through the mind they can impress on on you know what you know what you you know you have a message perhaps and you just know it um or you might hear it or or you might see visuals or would have whatever but it works they use your subconscious mind um to impress um receptive sort of information there and then you've got what we call the sub you know the super conscious or the higher mind and this is your intuitive knowing like i was saying to you before the intuitive knowing is a much higher intellect and it's your connection to your higher self and the universal mind and it operates sort of beyond your personal experience to say margaret or or dan you know danny so this this has you know some wonderful information um that is beyond our physical um brain memory or what we've you know attained through a lifetime of experiences and or we've learned through academic you know courses and qualifications so it's beyond that so in transmedianship we sort of bypass the conscious mind and we open the subconscious to receive those impressions from spirit world and the super consciousness acts like um like a sort of like a bridge or a translator between those realms really so spirit doesn't speak in words um it speaks in impressions or consciousness speaks and impressions and say if i'm doing a lecture what team spirit told me um because i'm so used to connecting with them now they actually give me a concept of say metaphysics or they give me a concept of uk ship records so they give me the whole thing and then my super consciousness sort of translates it and and makes it into into the language that is then spoken through me so your mind must be in a state to interpret and express those impressions without distorting them so you have to be out of the way and a lot of my students you know when they're doing um you know sort of learning trans um they say well is it me or is it them and that's the thing after a point you will understand that it's not you if you are beginning and you're very light you know you start off obviously in a very light form of trance and then as you go deeper into it and you you um practice and you sit for spirit or sit for consciousness sit in the silence and just let that beautiful should we call it a muscle but let's say it's a muscle to exercise itself and get strong and get bigger and so it's so it's able to be more receptive when you do that you're going into deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper forms of a trance until eventually you're at a stage where you're not even aware of what has been spoken to you um and then when you go say into seance um you just catatonic you're just in a deep sleep and and they speak through you so at the end of it i've had a lovely sleep thank you very much feel very refreshed and um and then i can listen to the students going oh my god dude that's what's been happening and what they've said and um because our our seance is very much experimental so um they're experimenting with energies they're giving exercises to expand our connections with with id and of course we get absolutely amazing messages as well through so it's using um you know a trance medium um you need to use your consciousness so therefore a part of the journey if anybody's interested in that is to start with meditation start with sitting in in the silence so that you can quieten mind because we've all got everybody's got this mental clutter um or stress and and a lot of us have got a fear about it or an anxiety about it which which is normal because i think we need to be very um skeptical about what we're doing until we absolutely know what we're doing is real and and sometimes you know when you first start you think oh my goodness you know i'm going to be good enough am i capable of this am i going to say the right words is it going to be me um you know i don't want to to the words to be mine i want them to be something that is beyond um my physical mind so regular meditation is grounding and it's energy clearing and it helps you to maintain that lovely inner space where spirit can safely and clearly enter um and it it just helps with your own nervous system as well because when we're we're dealing with trance um our nervous system is involved in it you know because um it's our our perceptions you know it's our how we perceive things but it's on a different level so we're using a lot of energy as well that's why i said to you it's a passive form of mediumship but internally it's actually very energetic because they're using our energies they're using um you know sort of our physical makeup as well obviously the vocal chords and and everything else that they're blending and bonding with us so yeah so although it feels passive it's it's actually actively inwardly if you know what i'm trying to say yeah and i think it is scary i remember saying to you i was i was kind of shied away from it i was dead fascinated but i was like i can never do that like i've never and i remember being thinking i'm not doing the right thing and i knew i were but it's not teaching mind it's for the mind when you're when you're doing this work but i was like right just trust on earlier guides are guiding you you're by margaret you're safe but i was so scared and it were really funny because the things that i thought would be difficult wasn't and the things that i didn't think were going to be difficult were um that makes sense it are a little bit challenged in different ways than i thought it would be and i remember thinking you know when you talk about the physiological changes like your nervous system will adapt yeah i can remember thinking oh it's going to feel like and it won't scare it it would have peaceful and relaxing but i could feel my heart rate racing up when you said it would and i were like my body's attuning to this but i feel dead relaxed it was a really strange sensation yeah because um when when we first you know when we're interested in this and we want to start to learn this uh we want to be the very very best we can possibly be don't we so when um when most students going to uh well i mean i can start with my own experience when i very very start first started to do this my heart was pounding so much in my in my chest i thought i was going to have a physical um you know heart attack it felt like my heart was bouncing off the walls and when i came sort of back into the room my chest hurt because what was happening there i think i i was so physically um anxious about what was going to happen um that i was resisting and when you resist it's so much more challenging to your physical body to let go and and to you know to relax and also when spirit impress when when they you know start to blend and then start to bond when they're starting to blend we are electromagnetic beings and they they they are electromagnetic energy and when they blend with us we get that sort of like sort of feeling it's different and it's sort of like it can be either you know it can feel like a pressure or it can feel something different and of course your your physical mind is going to say what's that what's that they're trying you know your left brain is trying to analyze and rationalize what's happening to you and that's why really it's getting that left brain out of the way so that you know your right brain can come forward and you're not going to be sort of constricted by your left brain going oh what's that what's that no no no i've got to bring it back to you know i've got to bring it back to sort of how margaret is and oh this is out of control or whatever um and it really is that that need to completely and utterly trust spirit world or the consciousnesses that are choosing to speak with you and through you because like attracts like so you're going to get the energies that are going to be attracted to your beautiful energy anyway and if you're prepping yourself beforehand and you're saying that you want to be you know working with the light and the light only and you start to relax your body down and perhaps you sit in the same you know a sacred space every day like the corner of a bedroom or something in a chair that you're very comfortable you know in and you do everything sort of in a beautiful setup routine to invite spirit world to come forward they are so enamored by that they're so grateful to you that they will come and they will they will do their very best to help you get into that beautiful state that is not going to cause you those physical things that you were talking about there um danielle so i mean how it works is um there are lots of when i'm observing my students i know obviously where they are because i can see there are certain signs you on their face their palate may change they may have may go very pale or they may go almost like a pink flush um their the muscles on their face uh they sort of relax and they just drop um then you know there's macro many little little sort of movements you know on the face and the body quite often a student's hands can start to sort of um pull in um just as if you know they were grasping something or whatever and what that is is the energy is being pulled from the extremities of the body so that you're using it in in your you know your upper chakras and and your your mental aspect um your spiritual aspect so the end the end is pulled up to that so your your legs might feel a bit heavy you know your hands might be feeling that they're they're sort of closing in or all your arms are lifting up there are lots of different things your breathing might be heavy it might be very shallow your heart might be palpitating you might get sort of um sort of uh tears from the outer corners of your eyes they might start to literally just start to flow you know down your face um you might be wanting to swallow more because the energy's being worked there because they want to use with you at your vocal chords um so there's lots of things that's happening in your body but they're not going to harm you they're not going to hurt you they love you to bits because you're a part of them anyway and they're a part of you so they're going to look after you um if you become very hot um which has happened to me on occasion they've brought me back and they've told you know the group i'm bringing margaret back because her her kinetic energy is too high and you know we're looking after her so they look after you so beautifully when they're doing that so how it works is you they blend with your energy field and your mind and then they start to impress these beautiful thoughts and emotions and memories or you might hear it in tones or words and then you might be feeling personalities you might be feeling oh yes i know this isn't me this is a different personality that's come into my subconscious mind hi we're hopefully enjoying this amazing conversation with margaret de petro stick around as part two is just around the corner