06 - Exploring Trance Mediumship with Margaret De-Petro - Part 2

Healing, Ectoplasm & Spiritual Legacy with Margaret De-Petro – Part 2

In Part 2 of my conversation with trance medium and healer Margaret De-Petro, we open the door even wider into the mystical world of spiritual communication and energy healing.

Margaret shares jaw-dropping stories, including a psychic healing case involving cancer remission, the early signs of ectoplasm, and what happened when her guides showed up on aura camera footage. We talk about her bear spirit, the physiology of trance, and how healing work has evolved into a 5D frequency.

Margaret also speaks from the heart about her gypsy lineage, her connection to the earth, and her pioneering work in Reiki, Celtic healing, and psychic education across Europe.

This is a generous, magical, and mind-expanding listen. Don’t miss it.

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Transcript

Hi and welcome back to part two with Margaret DePetre. Let's unveil the mysteries and the wonderful world of transmediumship. Now let's get into it.

So you might have impressions of an inner knowing or you might have changes in your speech rhythm if you're talking or your gestures might change or you may have a complete overshadowing which is what occurs with me in seance but in in when I'm you know sitting for trance when I'm sat in the chair it's it's I'm they're moving me that I'm very gesticulatory anyway as a teacher and they use that they move my arms that sometimes have me standing up or you know walking I mean I'm obviously my eyes are closed in the sun the other but they will use you in the way that they need to use you when I was did some experiments in you know sort of under very extreme sort of conditions where I had electrodes on my head and during this state of trance it's obviously very very low theta going into delta and if I were doing say trans physical healing it's to a state where the people who were monitoring it because it was done in a hospital environment they were saying that that was the same level as being unconscious or the dying mode but I was walking around giving healing so it's amazing how mind our energy is far more than you could possibly imagine we are magnificent energy beings and spirit look after you but they need to have that low you know we need to slow the brain down so they can actually get you know blend with you because if you've got a very high active brain they can't get in there because you you know your thoughts are all over the place that's why meditation when you're first starting and sitting in the science is a beautiful way um you know to start the trance but honestly I recommend it to everybody it's unbelievably wonderful um of course your development you know is going to start being a light trance and then um or feeling partially suspended into you know different forms of trance so initially you might be very much aware of what's happening you'd be aware of what's happening in the room but the deeper you go the more you're losing the outside experience you know you're very you're internalizing and then you're switching your consciousnesses and do you think that people develop her just the same as they do with any any kind of spiritual practice do you think people develop at different paces of course people listening they might be like how long does it take what you know because people going into it they like a timeline some people don't they well I mean I started in the 80s um and um you know worked in healing and in physical in physical medium mediumship and and all of that for a long long time so I had before I did the trance um in this you know sort of capacity of two hour lectures and stuff um they were trying to get me um in my you know messages in the morning trying to get me interested in it but I wouldn't do it and I think um I may have mentioned to you before uh about I had it sounds very strange I had a runny nose for a long long time but it was so severe that it it just wouldn't stop it and so I went to the hospital to be um you know sort of well the gp sent me to the hospital because he didn't know what it was and it wouldn't I didn't have an infection I didn't have a cold I didn't have anything like that and when I went to have it it sort of analyzed he said it was very strange because it was just literally plasma it was it was nothing else there was no infection there was nothing there just just plasma and so you know go away because they couldn't do anything for me I didn't need medicated or anything um and then I I took some students um to about 15 students to have their um aura uh photography done and this was you know in the 80s along sort of when the machinery was very clumbersome and everything else so I took everybody over to these two amazing beautiful people who could read the auras and um so we had two rooms and we had the students in one room and the other room was where you went in individually to to have this done and um and but there was two screens so that students could see what was happening to the you know the group of students could see what was happening to the person that was in the other room having it done they couldn't hear anything but they could just see the beautiful colors and everything else that was happening and when I went in there because I was more interested in the machinery really and you know how to do this for my own clinic um but I put my hand on and um and I was looking at that and asking questions about it and then all of a sudden there was this beautiful um hand that came down that looked like it had this sort of like very elegant handkerchief that went over my nose back and forth over my nose and I didn't see it initially but I heard the students in the other room going oh my god what's that in front of Margaret what's that oh my god and then the beautiful couple who were doing this for me said we've never seen this before and I knew exactly what it was it was spirits saying this is connected with what's happening here you know with my runny nose so anyway to cut a long story short um I went back and I said right okay you've shown me something tell me what it is and I said this is you know the beginning of ectoplasm we want you to be transphysical medium we will want you to be in seance and we want to speak to you and this is it's backing up there's too much it has to come out somehow but amazingly once I said okay to it it stopped. Now when they first said that to you did your brain go like no I'm not going to do this did it well it well first of all I thought well I don't want this happening all the time because if I was doing healing it was awful I mean it was it was just you know sort of almost like falling out of me that you know this this liquid which was plasma and um so they um you know they just said that this is why it's sort of the backup we're trying to get over to you that you will you know you're ready you're capable your energies are wonderful we're not going to do any damage you know to you so little by little I started to you know sort of accept that um so you know there's all sorts of different things that can happen to you individually you know when you're practicing and these are like calling cards telling you lovingly you know come on that's your purpose you need to get into this with it's not going to harm you it's going to enhance you and you're going to feel totally amazing and you do you do I mean imagine that beautiful energy through you with your the people when I say people your spirit team the consciousnesses and the energies that are working through you love you so much that they're just sort of enhancing your physical body they're making you you know sort of healthy and happy and upbeat it's it's amazing I think definitely since I've done the the training with you and I've been practicing sitting in trance the healings have changed but not how I thought they'd change they're really different so I always do you know like I do psychic surgery but yeah the energies that are coming through it's it's really different it's from what I expected but it is it's beautiful it's like I just like home they almost said to me right you know like just put your hands up once I've been moving around people like using the rattle and my doctor guides come in or different guides then it's almost like I just do this and it's an energy that comes down feels very and I'm not religious but it feels very like angelic and almost like it's crazy honestly and I'm like the people who've been on the bed I've said to me they've got an eye mask on and they're like did you do this and did you do that and they were like I didn't feel you doing it and they were like a woman said I felt like you got my soul up and made it dance and I said it did because she was she were really chronically ill oh she'd had so much trauma or like we did because my guides were like getting your soul up and getting getting your energy flowing and just you know like bringing back that kind of um life back that give the different stuff and I'm like I wouldn't expect it to be like this I don't think it's full flowing there's no any yet but it's been very different in terms of how they're working with me and it's been very different when I've sat and I'm practicing the meditations that you sent there where my bear's coming through and I'm I look at my hands and I'm like I feel like I've stepped out of the way but I can feel the energy and I'm like I'm a bear yeah well I mean you know it there's no sort of uh possession that occurs there it's because spirit can't take over without your consent and preparation but it's this incredible merging or partnership so for you it's your bear that is able because you're in that that much higher frequency now your understanding of it and you've surrendered to that energy so now your bear can literally come even stronger and connect and bond even stronger to your energy so it's a partnership it's emerging in a partnership and your mind provides the vehicle and spirit provides the influence so spirit communications often align with your vibration and you with theirs so so it's a two-way system but over time that relationship forms um you know between the medium and uh teen spirit or what you call a guide or or uh you know a spirit connect uh animal or whatever that link becomes stronger it becomes clearer it becomes more stable it becomes more you know part of you it's just it just gets stronger and stronger as you do this so when you merge you because obviously as you know and we all know we don't heal we're just the conduit yeah the conduit to allow these incredible beautiful consciousnesses and energies to work through us which is a complete blessing isn't it it's wonderful so obviously you as a conduit now you know with your clients on the couch and everything they can feel that beautiful energy that is coming through you and then it's going through their energy field and then it's going innately to wherever needs to be healed because we don't understand we have nothing to do with with the healing even the client as long as they give their permission for healing it's their innate intelligence that decides what needs to be healed like you know you may get somebody who comes to you because they've got a broken leg or something but when they come it tends to be yes the broken leg has brought them here for having healing but it's sort of you know sort of connected with another aspect of themselves that they thought oh my god yeah this has come up and i want to talk about this or that's that's you know lifted something from me and this is what i was seeing or feeling or whatever it's just this beautiful connection that um you know healing can can give and in the new energy it's obviously a much higher form of energy now it's it's you know fifth dimension energy where everything all solutions are possible so we're seeing more and more where people are self-healing and getting instantaneous self-healing because they're at a point where they have completely surrendered up to you know the energy and they've let go of whatever the the ailment is but that's self-healing they've done that with with this beautiful energy just cradling them and supporting them um in the healing that you do with your clients on the couch so it is magical in a way it's beyond magical you know it's magnificent what is actually you know happening so do you know when we we spoke before as well you were talking to me about some of your earlier journeys where you had people who were very ill and you you saw that you're making very um massive changes energetically but also to the physical body as well yeah um well i've been very lucky to um you know because of where i i work or they sent me to the philippines is this what you're talking about with the psychic uh i was talking about do you remember when we were speaking and you told me that you had a client who came i think she had cancer oh cancer yes yes yes yeah i understand what you're talking about yeah i had a an absolutely amazing wonderful lady who who was brought to me uh by her sisters and she was she had a pituitary cancer and um and she was due to have a huge operation and this operation had a possibility of it not only may not help the cancer because she'd had it for eight years and and it was at a very critical stage she was only in her 30s her middle 30s and um so they told her you know when they would do the surgery she may have myopalsy afterwards so i mean she was very anxious and and very very poorly when she came so i was talking to her um about what i was doing and i said it was all self-healing and you know she'd chosen to come here even though this was gifted by her sisters she had chosen to come because it was you know she there was nowhere else on no other you know sort of doorway she could go through just to help herself because the next thing is going to be this massive surgery so she she was booked in for the monday the wednesday and the friday and in between the thursday she was uh she was going to um a big hospital um in in leeds to see her specialist who had followed her through this journey for such a long time and he was going to mark her her up and measure her and put her you know through the different scans to make quite sure of exactly what they were attempting to to remove and to do it safely obviously so um so she she was very open to us and uh we did the um you know the it was a reiki healing and um and i was saying to her you know i'm just come to it this is energy that's flowing through you and you know embrace it and you know you can direct your subconscious mind to um to tell your whole body to to embrace it and um and you know the intention is for health and balance um this is what we're trying to get anyway she this was on the monday she then went on the tuesday back to the hospital to be measured up and have a scan and when they sent her for a scan um it came back and this this growth that she had they couldn't see on the on the scan so the specialist said or she'd have to be sent to north allison to have another scan because obviously the machines were down and they needed to have this information before they could operate on her the following week so she was sent to um to north allerton and had another scan and on that scan they couldn't find it either so she then went back to because they sent her you know by car um car ambulance if you know what i mean to the other hospital and so they brought her back and uh she had the conversation with her specialist again he knew her extremely well because he'd been with her on this eight-year journey and um so he said that that was you know incredibly odd so to come back on the thursday and um and they'll try again so she then came back to me on the wednesday with the sisters had another um set of um you know sort of healing energy and everything else but he was totally confused that the specialist and when i was giving her the healing i can sense energy now because over the years it's taken a long long time but i can bounce energy through the body and i felt something else at the side of her head you know by in front of her ear and so i didn't say anything to her but i just drew on a piece of paper what i'd seen which was a butterbean like shape that was in front of her ear and i said in the letter i'm not medically um you know qualified in any way at all i'm an energist and i this is what i pick up and i'm just saying this is what i feel this is what i um i see please forgive me if this is you know in any way intrusive or or you know um in any way upsetting you uh but i just wanted to send it to you so i gave the letter to the client and she gave it to her specialist and he opened up the letter uh that you know the little thing that i'd sent and he said i'm really confused so he rang me and he said how do you do this so i said i just bounce energy through the physical body and um you know and i said i'm not i'm not a healer i you know healing i'm a facilitator of the healing energy because it's all self-healing but but i can now feel densities of you know of energy in the body so he said well what he said whatever it is i want a piece of that so he was really really interested he said because you know obviously um my client your client has told you we couldn't see the first um image of the pituitary cancer so he said what i'm going to do is i'm going to take it down and do um ultrasound myself on her in front of her ear and may i ring you back so absolutely so he took it down and he did ultrasound on her ear the front of her ear and you could see the butterbean thing coming up on the on the scan so he then comes back up and rings me and he said i don't know what it is you do but it's crazy because now there's nothing you know where you said it was there is something there which we're now going to mark out because we'll have to look at that and we're going to send it for another scan so anyway she went for another scan but i still couldn't see the pituitary cancer and uh anyway she came back to me on friday and we had another session of reiki so this was three reiki appointments self-healing by a woman in her middle 30s who was completely wanting to survive and to become well and balanced um we did that and then she went back to the hospital it had all gone wow so yeah so i mean it's never come back this was this is over 20 odd years ago now but out of that she was on on the radio talking about it um out of that i was invited over to do some um talks and lectures on healing to the um to the med you know the medics at the hospital which then ricocheted onto um our local hospital getting reiki healing there and all sorts of things this is way back in you know sort of the um late 80s 90s where it was you know people were just not aware of it so that was and she's amazing she took reiki right up to master teachers moved away and set up her own clinic so there you go the fact that she's still she's still healthy she's still alive yeah now does it herself it's so you i think like and you'll probably recognize this i hope on your journey that you've made massive waves in in the world and like i know you'll know you've the change of like implementing like spiritual things like the healing and things like that and obviously from your region aspects i feel like you've you've kind of you've been the wave of like change probably so much the initiator of things i i agree with that um because obviously i started my journey in the 80s when with reiki i mean i started it off with spiritual um healing um through um a friend of mine who who i used to go and help at weekends because i was very interested in it and i think um maybe your listeners don't know but my background is my my grandfather was um you know had a gypsy background so he he was very psychic and we you know sort of brought up really that healing is the way you did and healing animals mostly obviously um but um yes so when i um was working with her i loved it and then of course reiki was just beginning in the western world to raise its head so it's very challenging to to get any um form of um you know a course or to learn it or whatever and um anyway i managed to do that and when i um did that literally i took it right up to master teachers but i was also interested um you know to learn all the different forms of it so i had a japanese teacher so i had a a medical teacher so she was a doctor so she was coming from the medical empirical side and then of course the japanese was coming from the original authentic you know japanese way of looking at energies and you know the water the fire the you know the air all of that sort of system so i had five different master teachers and that got me really really into it so then there was hardly anybody um in the uk and then um we started to reference it was all by letters by the way because in the 80s there was no mobile phones and um you know sort of this form of communication here that we're doing or any of the internet or anything like that so everything was all by writing letters to people and this that and the other so yes um asked many many questions um asked you know sort of needed to know how this was working who um dr azui was mikai azui and and who mrs dakata was and all of these different people getting in touch with them because she was still alive and and getting letters and information from her from hayashi who had taught her so right at the very beginning um my lineage for instance is only four away from mikai azui so i was right there at the forerunners of of uh reiki in the uk and then i took various other forms and as far as i'm aware um i'm uh the the most prolific um tutor in europe uh for uh karuna energy which is a different form of balistraki healing and various things and i've got over 2 500 students so i'm able to communicate what i believe in different countries which is very wonderful and of course that has multiplied because they've gone off as well and done the same thing so i've been very blessed to be the you know the forerunner of this you know in the early days and to be able to bring it forward and i'm still on the first steps of the ladder because we're constantly learning new stuff and it's it's just the most magical journey it's incredible if you're enjoying the work that i'm 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things like that yes yes but but you mentioned um i didn't know about your grandfather so that were really interesting because i'm really i like to i like to know ins and outs of everything i didn't know about your grandfather so have you always had that link with spirit but since you've been little have you have you felt it um i i think i have i feel i have because i'm very much i mean i'm tremendous i love mother earth i love everything that she produces i love animals and my granddad was the same i mean he he used to at one stage he had many different jobs but one of the jobs that he had was with the pit ponies um down you know sort of down the the mines and um and when the pit ponies journey was done or they were you know unable to pull the trolleys and this that and the other down there then they were usually just you know got rid of or shot or whatever um but he um had he used to bring them up and he used to uh look after them because of the fur it had stopped growing and everything because they lived down in the darkness and and some of them bless them uh you know they would be blinded because i suppose in that era they thought it was more it was less cruel if they didn't see anything to be used to the dark than being able to see something do you know what i'm trying to say so they were completely just just you know moved and manipulated and guided by the people down there um pulling their loads and stuff like that so he he used to tell me that you know he used to make salves and all sorts of different things from from um you know used to forage and what have you make these things and then cover um these don't these um uh ponies pit ponies and then he's put sacking over them you know that they're all sacking and then stitch it on and then they would have that sort of throughout the winter or let them keep that on them um you know for months and months and months and then get them out into the field start to you know cherish them and love them and look after them and then he would cut off this sacking and there would be this beautiful array fur that had grown through and these these amazing loyal gentle gentle beautiful animals would then have a life that they would live you know sort of in in their their sort of field but he was incredible he used to make all sorts of naturopathic what we would understand as naturopathic remedies which he showed me how to do um the dandelion he used to say was was the most magical beautiful king of the herbs and the flowers because you can use every part of this in its root system everything for so many different things and he showed me these things and you know your nettle soups and your nettle tinctures and and and stuff like that so I learned so much from him and he was incredibly psychic and um you know to a point where he was he was just ridiculously exact but it was normal to him it was just normal to him and obviously um it's come through he was one of the very large family and then um obviously my mum his daughter was one of the large family and uh and then I I've sort of got it from him there was one of my aunties one of my mum's sisters was very psychic but she rejected it because you know it just wasn't right for her so I think I'm probably the one from the family tree that that's come out you know all singing all dancing wanting to know everything about mother earth and and and uh spirit and um communication and all of those things. But it's amazing because you've got such a vast array of knowledge because you do um you do do um Celtic things as well don't you? Yes yeah I wrote um a Celtic heritage healing course um which which I do teach I teach it abroad and I teach it here and it's it's very much using our uh you know our sort of we're all well most of us you know have a Celtic background uh because you know the Celtics came from middle European countries and came over in the middle ages and what have you and so we're all a mishmash of you know different sort of genealogical you know sort of uh backgrounds um so but there's so much about the the Celts and their symbolism and using you know sort of mother earth in their rituals and and their blessings and their um you know ceremonial works and things like that and being completely at ease and with respect with nature. 

So I I wrote a Celtic heritage healing which brings in the psychological side which is my my psychotherapy side and life coaching and so it has a whole load on the mind but it's always using different exercises that bring in different Celtic symbols by uh Triskelion or or whatever um bringing in those symbols and also the consciousnesses of the the Celtic um gods and goddesses that are used for ritual for healing or for um for love or for manifestation all in the lights everything to do is with the light um and so yes it's so it's an amalgamation of of using four different forms of um of ways of healing. So um there's part that's tarot there's a part that as I say works with the mind there's a it's all about body treatments and using of essential oils and crystals and it's just wonderful and uh that's I really enjoy and I remember teaching that up I was asked to go to Switzerland up in the mountains for a retreat and we did that and so the spell making side and which I know you're really interested in so yeah so so we were up there for a whole week you know up in the snow at the top of the mountains in Switzerland with about 40 others um so I was just doing all that lovely as you recall that witchy stuff that was there um yes it's just a dream to be able to mix and match all the different things uh that I know is right for me and works in my the formulae of who makes Margaret up so yeah. It's nice that you've had the courage just to follow your path because a lot of times it can be really difficult you've started in an era where like you say the raking things like that it wasn't very known and even I think even in these times not everybody accepts that the work of like you know spiritualism and things like that and different things it's not everyone's cup of tea is it but um it must have been harder for you to do it in more challenging times and where it was very taboo or people have not heard about the rejected and things like that so you I feel like you've probably had more of a difficult time like not proving yourself but because you're not going to prove to anybody have you but it almost is like having to the proof is in the pudding where you work which is exactly what you've done isn't it? I think the biggest thing is authenticity um and obviously you know um ego you need you need a little bit of ego so that you enjoy what you do and you know you feel great about what you've done and this and the other but uh you know an inflated ego is is the doomsday for for anything to do with mediumship and spiritual um but but I also um on all different aspects because I deal with all sorts of different things I also do space clearing and and that you know has taken me to different countries um as well I've been asked to go to different countries to do that but when we're saying you know people don't um you know sort of believe this I had caught so much on film on um infrared footage um that completely utterly proves to me I think I've actually shown you um where it creates you know so many different things but um in particular the the um a healing um you know sort of portal for for um allowing space clearing you know for thought forms or or for rescue work and that's been caught on um on film where you can actually see a spirit walking into it I mean it's I don't think I've ever ever seen it anywhere I don't publicize it I show those people that are close to me that I trust that um you know to see it um so we've got it all stockpiled up um but my own home obviously I I run um let's say on circle here on the top floor and um so that is a big room that's um just for that and that is a portal in itself and we've caught so many different things in there on film um and so as far as I'm concerned spirit are constantly showing me um that you know it's proven as far as I'm concerned I don't need to to even check that out I don't need to to even um you know people wish to uh you know sort of have a different opinion they're completely entitled to that opinion and I completely respect that but I don't need to to prove it because I've seen it over the I mean it's 40 42 43 years I've been working in this field um I've seen it so many times in the most beautiful loving way you know like the handkerchief in the hands for instance they seem to come through on film a lot but um but also when I'm doing space cleaning and things I reference everything has to be referenced we're in experimental uh which has to prove facts so um I get as much detail from spirit world or consciousness so I need names I need where they live who they were and then that goes out have a student of mine who does all of that and can look through um you know sequences to see these people lived where they lived what they did and everything else and it comes through in very strange ways um I think I told you before about the lady in um had a client who I was uh looking at things in Jersey and just in that particular one there was this wonderful woman that came through and she told me her name and uh it was to do with the second world war and uh what she did where she lived and the address and everything and that she was a female sort of like a fire warden type person you know that would go out and make sure that everybody was okay if there was any bombing which was unusual to be female but uh so she told me about you know she told me about that and um anyway one of my um uh students and went to Jersey and they went to the underground tunnels where there's a museum there and I told her about this particular lady and uh when she went in there was a section where they had um you know sort of a memorabilia and one of which was a coupon you know coupon sort of uh documents and and one of them was sort of like a little almost like a passport thing that told them what they did but this was this was you know uh random and you could pick it out of a basket you were invited to pick it out of a basket as you were given this tour through you know this museum and she opened it up and there was this mod that I told her and her name and saying what she did and she nearly flipped and wanted to run out of the tunnels because she was going oh my god she's she's haunting me she's here oh my god and anyway you know that's what spirit do they'll give you little ditties that just are so heartwarming to say I'm still here and you were right.

I mean it is they're so clever and they're amazing. It's just fantastic I mean could you imagine a better career for goodness sake and I get paid for this I mean it's just crazy totally crazy. It is I think I think it's amazing and like you say it's it's a blessing really isn't it? Well utterly utterly. 

Yeah it is a complete blessing um I think there's been a lot of times when I've been working and I'm like am I actually getting paid to do this like it's amazing. I'm so grateful but you do have to you do have to dedicate a lot though don't you you know in terms of your energy working your own physical self in the best condition because and you've got to be dedicated don't you I think? Totally and I think you have to you know when you're doing this sort of work it does use up your your sugars in your body when you're doing trance or seance or any trance physical mediumship or physical mediumship and they pull on you so you know things like b6s b12s you need to make sure that you're looking after your body and you know quite often um I've I've you know sort of seen mediums who have got very large and so they weren't a medium they were a large very large because they had a sweet tooth after doing mediumship and that they've got you know they've indulged in that and you have to keep yourself very healthy and and make sure you know that that spirit use your your mental capacity they use your memory they use your your intelligence so you know the more you learn I'm a compulsive um student I love learning new things the more you learn the more they can use um and the more they know you you don't know so they're asking me anything about computers or or technology forget it because I'm zilch you know I'm zero there so they would never use that unless they were lecturing through and they would bring something through that had all of that technology in it which they have done you know because they know it but I don't um but you know there's so much that that you need to do to keep yourself healthy and um keep yourself vibrant and so they've got more and more to to use you but like you say you have to be disciplined you have to be determined you have to be um you know sort of completely respectful and loving and grateful um and all of those things for spirit world but again they say the same to me all the time we can't do this without you and you can't do this without us we're a team that's why they call themselves team spirit to me um so so I know that they you know the more that you you give to them the more time you give to them in the sense of you know a five minute once a week sitting in the silence saying here I am I love you to bits you know work with me uh they are just enamored I mean it's just incredible the more you give the more they will give in abundance to you and you know like we're saying you know some people questions that I get asked uh by students you know do I need to be special to do this no no you don't it's not true you need to be committed you need to be open you need to be consistent um it's a skill that you build up over years and years and years decades on my level and I'm still on the learning curve we all are um and as you keep learning they start to say right okay Margaret now we're in this level so now we're going to teach you in this level so they've brought me up into because I'm working with fifth dimension you know uh the cosmic side of things now um so again which is you know a subject that not everybody is you know into or believes or whatever but I certainly know because I've had the proof and remember everything I do has to be proven um but people might say should I be completely unconscious you know when when I'm doing trance no not necessarily I'm catatonic when I'm doing the seance because you're doing trance you can be in a very light state of trance where you're completely aware of what's happening but you're still getting it's like having one foot in each camp you're getting information I mean you're in a light trance when you do tarot reading because you've got your clients in front of you and then all of a sudden you're in this other side where you're getting information so you've got one foot in that camp and one foot in that camp but then it gets deeper and deeper and deeper and then you know people say I can't tell if it's me or spirit I mean that's one of the biggest biggest questions I get and I said to me you know you learn to tell by the feel of the energy the change in tone the emotional resonance that you're going to get because you're going to be touched you're going to be you're going to be wanting to cry from joy because of what you're getting but don't judge yourself stop judging yourself stop pulling yourself down stop analyzing stuff because if you analyze stuff you've shut the door to spirit world and also if you if you don't do this properly and I'm saying this lovingly some people think that they are connected and they're not and then that's all them they're just they're just using their their mind and their imagination and unfortunately that's going to go nowhere isn't it it's so yeah you see that sometimes don't you when people are even reading it's a little bit of projection yeah I mean that's why I enjoy I do obviously many many tarot readings that are online and I say to them I don't want the camera because if I see a camera I'm watching your body language I all I want to do is connect with the energy and when I connect with the energy I'm in there and I love it so I've got clients that are you know all over the world from South America to I've got one in China business lady Canada France loads in Switzerland Germany France because obviously that's where all my students and Spain where my students are but yes I love doing it online because I'm in the energy where yes I love doing it here but once bit when people come here one-to-one and I'm looking at them there's there's still that element of you know I might be slightly moved by their body language so that's why I don't like looking at them them so I'm looking in the corner of the room but excuse me it's the way I work because if I look at you well I might be taking on board you know a frown or a oh or a whatever it is I find it when I'm reading somebody I'm like if I'm not looking at you it's because I'm just purely channeling exactly exactly I always think I'm not looking back I can't directly look somebody in the face no you're busy absolutely absolutely always absolutely amazing because your predictions the timelines the things that you've said have been like I don't know you know this everyone will say the same but they're literally so accurate and so bang on that you've done for me we've done brandy they're and they're amazing you know thank you even want me to read for him no more it's like yeah it's a joy it's a total joy yeah so for anybody who is listening Margaret who might be like I'd love to go um get some coaching or get some healing or even come and learn with you around the transit right and all the knowledge that you've got how will the finder uh right well it's um I'm in Rippon I have my own clinic in Rippon um it's margaretdepetro.com so they can go on the website and have a look there um but I'm also in the middle of of uh doing you know all sorts of different courses online which I'm hopefully um next year they'll they'll be completely set up um so yes they can come and have a one-to-one uh lesson with me which will be totally tailored to their needs and we can you know I can bring them on um you know sort of with their needingship or their psychic ability I teach on all forms of uh reiki um right up to master teacher so that's your azure you say ken and uh karuna I also teach um kahuna which is a Polynesian form of healing which is the I suppose it's it's um it's got a lot of psychology in it so it's um it's a very different form of healing but I absolutely love it lots of different courses I have on Tuesday in Rippon the first Tuesday of the month is an open circle for anybody um and that's seven till nine in the evening um but there's all sorts I mean give me a buzz you know you can very give my number if you wish my telephone number and you can ring me and have a chat with me to see if there's anything that I can help you with um and take it from there thank you for listening and I hope that you've enjoyed today's episode look out for more episodes coming up if you'd like to reach me in the meantime you can contact me at golden wolf ring on the website or alternatively through email which is danielle at goldenwolfring.co.uk