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Behavior Matters: Why Kids Do What They Do and How We Can Help with Samantha Cliborne

• Dr Andrew Greenland • Season 1 • Episode 21

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Revolutionizing behavioral health requires rethinking the entire system—not just focusing on individual behaviors. This fundamental principle drives Samantha Cliborne's innovative approach at Behavior Matters Consulting in South Carolina.

Drawing from over a decade of experience as a board-certified behaviour analyst, Samantha is transforming traditional models by putting families at the center of care. "You can't treat behaviour without treating the system around it," she explains, describing how her approach differs dramatically from the rigid, compliance-based methods of previous generations.

The spark for Behavior Matters came during Samantha's time teaching English in South Korea, where she witnessed children with special needs being isolated and hidden away. This profound experience shaped her commitment to creating spaces of trust where entire family systems can heal together.

For millennial and Gen Z parents seeking behavioural health services, Samantha's approach represents a welcome departure from traditional models. Rather than positioning herself as the authoritative expert, she builds genuine partnerships with families, respecting their input and adapting to their needs. When parents feel unheard or misaligned with a provider's values, they disengage—a reality Samantha addresses through comprehensive education, visual supports, and clear communication.

Beyond traditional behaviour analysis, Samantha integrates holistic elements like regulation strategies, mindfulness techniques, and nutritional considerations into her practice. Her team is trained to recognise nervous system states and help children transition from fight-or-flight responses to regulated states where meaningful learning can occur.

Looking ahead, Samantha envisions creating a more cohesive healthcare ecosystem by partnering with dentists, doctors, and other providers to make these experiences less traumatic for children with special needs. Through habituation and systematic desensitisation, she believes we can fundamentally change how healthcare is delivered to vulnerable populations.

Tune in to hear how one forward-thinking clinician is redefining what's possible in behavioural health by applying the same analytical lens to care models that she applies to behaviour itself. What could your practice learn from this revolutionary approach?

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Dr Andrew Greenland:

Okay, so welcome back to Voices in Health and Wellness. This is the show where we sit down with forward-thinking leaders across clinical care, behavioral health and wellness to talk about how the industry is evolving, especially as younger generations like millennials and Gen Z reshape expectations around health access, and engagement really stands out in this space. I'm thrilled to welcome Samantha Clibourne, a board-certified behaviour analyst and founder of Behaviour Matters Consulting, based in South Carolina. Samantha brings over a decade of experience in behavioural health, with a deep focus on creating family-centred models of care that don't just target individual behavioural change but transform the entire ecosystem around the client. So, samantha, thank you so much for your time this afternoon coming on the show. Are you actually calling from South Carolina as we speak?

Samantha Cliborne:

Yes, I am Thank you for having me.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

You're very welcome. Maybe we could start at the top and perhaps talk a little about your role and how it fits into the bigger picture of what you do at Behavior Matters.

Samantha Cliborne:

Absolutely so. My role as owner, clinical director and behavior analyst is really multifaceted, you know, but my training as a behavior analyst is is really what has given me the tools to break down why people do what they do. You know I've applied that same lens to really the care model itself. You know I asked questions like why do we approach therapy the way we do, what behaviors are actually being really reinforced and what outcomes actually matter to the families? You know behavior matters, like our mission is to create meaningful and lasting behavior change. In order to do that, like you know, this is where this is where millennials are different. Right, we don't just focus on the child. You know we have to educate and empower the entire family system. You know you can't treat behavior without treating the system around it. You know, and as I know and as people are slowly learning, as technology and social media is taking over, is human behavior is shaped by consequences. You know, right now clinicians are competing with social media, short form content, 24-7, access to health care and health information. So really the approach matters when it comes to really just wellness and behavior change in general. You know if a family doesn't feel heard, understood or aligned with, you know the provider's values, like they're going to disengage, right, so or worse, like they're going to mistrust the entire process.

Samantha Cliborne:

And you know, I feel like ABA applied behavior analysis like 10-15 years ago, like outside of that millennial generation. It was very rigid, it was very like you listen to me, this is what I said. It was very compliance based and I am flipping the switch, you know, because so many families are ready for that. You know, they don't want to be told what to do, they want to partner. You know, and that's really what we do at Behavior Matters is we're that partner with these families. And you know, we take it from them. What do you want to see? You know. And then we do the absolute best we can with staying within our ethical guidelines and giving that to them. You know, if they say, you know what I don't like, that we don't, we don't stop, we lean in, you know, we say, okay, how can we change that? You know.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

So to me that's, that's really how, how we're doing things differently nowadays, as millennials Got it. So what was the original spark for starting Behavior Matters? Was there a gap in the care models that you were seeing at the time, or was there something else?

Samantha Cliborne:

You know what? It's kind of cool that you know we're talking in different countries right now. So this all started Behavior Matters all started for me when I was living in South Korea. I was I just I loved experiencing different cultures, different family systems. Um, and I went to South Korea. I taught English for a little bit over there and what I saw with the special needs community really changed me.

Samantha Cliborne:

Um, I was in a classroom with a kid just sitting there banging his head up against the wall, banging his head up against the wall, and I have no like mind you like, I'm a army veteran, right Like you know, I've never seen these things before. I have no idea what I'm experiencing right now and I'm like that's when I started the research, you know. So it wasn't necessarily like where am I seeing? You know the breakdowns and you know wait times and care and intakes and stuff. It was more the family unit for me. You know, it was over there in South Korea. I was told that if these kids display behaviors like that, they get sent away and they never get seen again, and that really resonated with me. So what I did when I came back I was like, okay, you know, we're changing this game. You know we're not allowing this to happen anymore, even though this was in another country, like you know, I feel like parents still today. You know they do somewhat the same thing, you know, if we look at learned helplessness and things like that. So, really, behavior matters started in another country. It started with a different dream, you know, and it molded into this amazing, amazing.

Samantha Cliborne:

Honestly, these four walls that I have is it's four walls of trust and it's four walls of trust within our family, families that come in. It's it's within our my staff as well. You know my staff, you know they also get training on trauma-informed care. You know we have a lot of kids that are. You know the world is. The world is the world at this current moment and kids are going through trauma.

Samantha Cliborne:

And you know the world at this current moment and kids are going through trauma. And you know we're finally, as millennials, at a stage where we can open up and we can ask those questions of like, what's wrong? Let's help you through this, let's get through emotional intelligence. We're finally there and Behavior Matters has just really taken a hold onto that model and I mean we're running with it. Hold on to that model and I mean we're running with it In 2026, we're going to be adding like occupational therapy as well. So currently we have ABA and speech therapy, but occupational therapy next year, along with mental health counseling. You know, we're going to regulate the body, we're going to work on the mind and we're really going to treat the family system as as a system. This is what it is.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Amazing. So what does a typical day look for? Um, look like for you at the moment. I mean, I think you mentioned you're wearing lots of hats in what you do. Um, maybe there isn't such a thing as a typical day, but give me some sense of things.

Samantha Cliborne:

Um, what I love about my job is you're right there. There is no typical day. You know I come in as early as possible I'm an early bird and you know I sit and I set my schedule for the day you know well, I look at my schedule.

Samantha Cliborne:

My amazing I have amazing team that really works well together to really set up the best possible things for my day, my day. So my day is going to end up being training RBTs registered behavior technicians in programs and how to develop certain skills out of the kids that we see. My day is going to include conversing with parents.

Samantha Cliborne:

You know, I do a lot of parent education, like a lot of parent education, because if you think about it as clinicians, we're only with these kids for a short amount of time. You know the parents are the ones that are with them the most, and so I do a ton of training. So while my RBTs are there and they're working with the kids, I'm working with the parents and we're really attacking the system from both ends. So after parent education, if I remember to eat, that will happen. If not, I also do in-home, so I will go into the home and work through that as well. So you know I balance payroll. You know I balance schedules. I balance everything, but it ends up being no set schedule but a beautiful dance all day long and just an amazing environment that I love to be in. And I've been very thankful that my staff has also said the same. You know they feel heard here.

Samantha Cliborne:

You know I ask my staff constantly what can I do to help you understand better?

Samantha Cliborne:

What can I?

Samantha Cliborne:

How do you learn?

Samantha Cliborne:

You know I focus on the staff way more than than I focus on on the kids in a certain degree, right, because I can tell you about a kid very easily of like, hey, these are the goals we're working on, this is this is the end goal.

Samantha Cliborne:

Right, this is where we're at, this is the end goal. And if I know my clinician well, I'm going to be able to say, hey, right, this is where we're at, this is the end goal. And if I know my clinician well, I'm going to be able to say, hey, this is how you learn, I'm going to give it to them just like that, and it's going to cut my time down tremendously. So that's another kind of tactic that I use as well. Like, if we get to know a person, we know how they learn, we know how they act and, as a behavior behavior analyst, the big question I ask every day is why people do what they do you know. So I really focus in and I lean in on that and I really try to make the best out of my day and help as many people as possible.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

That sounds like a very, very crammed day on the matter of your team. You mentioned your staff, so how has your team evolved since you launched? Have there been any unexpected shifts or lessons along the way for them?

Samantha Cliborne:

You know there has been, because it is when we get into the nitty gritty. Once kids start unmasking right, they really start showing their true colors. And you know a lot of my technicians. They haven't seen trauma before. You know they don't know what it looks like, they don't know how to navigate questions around that to get to. You know the belief system that these kids have and why they're continuing to do what they do. So my staff has learned tremendous. They've learned so much and I, literally, you know my staff will tell me you know I've had one therapist tell me like I have learned more with you in the first week than I have learned in my entire life, because I sit down with them and I talk to them about like everyone gets the same spiel from me when they first get hired.

Samantha Cliborne:

It's, this is what we do. You know this is how we do it. You know it's an extensive training process. You know it's, you're going to get bad days. But how do you get through those bad days? You know I have something called a dopamine menu and my um RBTs and, honestly, my speech therapist, my front desk, you know my billing manager they all, you know, have the same tools at them, uh, in front of them as well. It's, they have a dopamine menu. I've got 20 minutes. What's going to give me the most dopamine that I can get right now so that I can go back to my job and perform and, honestly, still be happy? Because that's what dopamine does you know. So it's really about the approach to things and you know it's about we're never done learning, so there are still things that I have to learn and as soon as I learn them, they learn them.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

So they are always evolving and always changing them, they learn them, so they are always evolving and always changing Amazing. Before we set this up, we had a brief email exchange and I think you mentioned in one of your replies that your holistic family model really aligns with how millennial families approach wellness. What kinds of shifts are you seeing in how families engage with care today?

Samantha Cliborne:

So the major shift as far as you know families that are seen is you know they're really seeing that. You know they want that quick, immediate fix and we have to navigate them through that. This isn't really a quick, easy fix. You know they're used to technology where everything's at their fingertips. Well, why can't this go faster? You know, and and a major shift that we've made in my clinic is how we define and support the regulation, not just from the parents but with the kids. You know, um, if a child's dysregulated, no amount of prompting that's really going to produce that meaningful engagement. You know millennial parents know this. You know they want us to support the whole child, not just manage that behavior. So, integrating those holistic strategies into the sessions, like, for example, you know, like I told you, we teach staff how to recognize, like the child's nervous system they're stuck in fight or flight, those moments, you know it's co-regulation. You know we might use breath work. You know we might use rhythmic tapping. You know what we really utilize is frequency-based sound, you know, and we help shift the child into a more regulated state where learning is possible.

Samantha Cliborne:

You know the big buzzword everyone's mindfulness. Mindfulness. You know it's not a buzzword to me. It's a behavior, you know. We model it, we shape it, we reinforce it. For some kids that might mean structured breathing routines. You know kids that have ASD, autism spectrum disorder their cerebellums, their wires are so mixed up right, so that's where these repetition comes in. You know this is where we do. We are going to have that structured practice of those breathing works. You know it might be walking outside. You know we're going to take your shoes off. We're going to connect with the body. You know these aren't breaks from therapy. This is therapy, you know, because all of these things they build the foundation for the sustained engagement and, as we know, learning is not going to happen if we cannot sustain engagement. So we found that, you know when we meet kids where they are, you know neurologically, like what they can handle, things like that, we reduce the number of behaviors maintained by escape and by avoidance.

Samantha Cliborne:

You know there's only four reasons really why we do what we do. You know, once we figure out what that is, we just shape our consequences, you know. So we are going to use the holistic viewpoint. You know we're not going to, you know, promote medication. We're going to promote whether it be natural substances, herbs, things like that. Magnesium, my goodness, we're all deficient in magnesium, you know. So that's the first thing I'm going to tell you to do. What do you? Do you take magnesium, right? You?

Samantha Cliborne:

know all these parents are like I want melatonin to get my kids to sleep. Why don't we absolutely go for it? Do the melatonin? Make sure it's in the dark though, because that's how our brain operates with melatonin right, but you know, try a bedtime routine before you know. Try to set up the behavior of sleep beforehand. So that's just kind of how we look at things differently and we kind of set the expectation up a little bit differently for our parents.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Thank you. Do you see the shift towards family centered care as part of a broader trend, or is it something that you've been personally championing independently?

Samantha Cliborne:

Honestly, I personally feel like at least in my area, I feel like it's not very common. You know, I see a lot of wait times. I see a lot of boring waiting rooms. I see a lot of just no callbacks. You know, any person that puts in on our website hey, you know I'm interested in this. They're going to get a call. You know they're going to get a follow-up, they're going to get something. You know, and I do feel like you know it's it needs to shift. You know, because the world is shifting. You know, as generations get older, you know, or new generations come out, like what are we going to do with the you know the generation beta and the generation alpha? Like what is care going to look like? Then? You know it might all be remote, you know, I don't know, but I know what we do know is we have to shift with the generations or we're not going to be able to tap in to, to help them got it?

Dr Andrew Greenland:

have the um, the millennials and the gen z parents pushed you to change anything that you didn't expect to revisit? I know you talked about them wanting the kind of quick fix, but is there anything that you've kind of caved into doing on the basis of their expectations?

Samantha Cliborne:

I would say no, because I set the expectations for them. I'm a very much like we're going to be in this together. I want you to tell me what you don't like. I want you to tell me what you do like. I want to tell me what you don't feel comfortable with doing, because I'm going to find a way around it. I'm literally going to set these parents up, for this is what it's going to look like, right? This is when training is going to start with the whole family. This is when the training is going to start with the kid. You know, I set them up of. This is how we communicate.

Samantha Cliborne:

You know, I try to answer as many questions up front, so that way, parents are in the middle of the night wondering or waking up oh, do I need to do that? Oh wait, do I have this that day? No, they get a big visual, visual support aid person. They're going to get a list of everything that they need to do. Maybe too much. I've had a lot of parents like, okay, I got it, we've got the handout.

Samantha Cliborne:

But I like to really just have them be informed. And there's no questions, right, there's no like. Well, what ifs? You know what it is. And if you don't know what it is, you are more than welcome to reach out. We're going to answer that question for you. But they, you are more than welcome to reach out and we're going to answer that question for you, you know, but they're not going to be up in the middle of the night thinking and wondering like what if they're going to know? So that's that's really how I kind of set things up a little differently. That's why I feel like, you know, I am very different than most ABA clinicians because of the way that I see the world. You know, I have applied the same things of my training as a behavior analyst to the care model. You know, that's why we approach things the way that we do.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Amazing. So what's working well for your team right now and I obviously apart from your leadership and the attention that you give your staff- is there anything else that kind of makes this whole thing a great success for you.

Samantha Cliborne:

Training is huge, getting together with them in my office and in our in our clinic. You know, in our front office there is a kitchen table, andrew, there is a kitchen table in there and we will sit down at the kitchen table and we will talk and I will get to know about them. I will get to know about, um, their stressors, you know, and it's just it brings the environment, you know.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

So, um, that's really kind of, uh, kind of the big kicker there, you know nice and, on the other end, is there been any particular sticking points, frustrations or challenges that you have in trying to do what you do?

Samantha Cliborne:

Oh, there are always sticky situations, there are always challenges. Not every parent is going to be as willing to open up, you know. You know, if you think about the kids that we serve and you know the diagnoses and the disorders that they have, you know those came from somewhere, and a lot of times our parents are struggling with the same things as the kids are, you know. So it's about really monitoring the parents care as well, and I've had some parents that are really they can't do it, you know, they can't stick to the structure, they can't follow the methodology, so to say, and so that right there it gets sticky. Because it's like I can help you, I know that I can help you, but at a certain point, like I can't do more than you, you know you're going to have to.

Samantha Cliborne:

You know, if we're going to be a team, you know I show up to the line and and you know you've got to show up to the line, you know I can cross over a little bit and I can help you and I will and I have, but at a certain point, you know, at a certain point it's we're at that point where it is time to, you know, go different ways and and maybe there's a, there's another clinician out there that is going that flows and meshes better with them. So you know, that's really the only sticky situation that that I feel like I have encountered is being able to cause. I mean, you got to think, like I'm in the care of these kids I've had some kids for four or five years, you know and so if you can't stick that long with really meaningful behavior change, then you know there is someone out there that's going to help you a little bit differently than I am.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Thank you, as a business owner, any particular outcomes or metrics that you particularly focus on in your business?

Samantha Cliborne:

Absolutely. We are absolutely focusing on efficiency here. So it's about how well that we set up our clinicians to do their data taking, take their notes, that kind of stuff. So it's really efficiency as best as we can in any form that we can. Efficiency is key.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

All right and any particular client feedback that you pay most attention to, to get the kind of the signals that what you do is working for people.

Samantha Cliborne:

Yes, signals. So a lot of times our signals are going to be within our body. They're not going to be within our words. You know I work with a, with a population that you know that are learning to use their words, and so, yeah, it's, it's about reading the body language, because they're not always going to tell you what, if they're going to do something or not.

Samantha Cliborne:

I can, I will look at the way that the eye contact that I get from parents, you know, I'll look honestly. I look at their feet, I look at where their, their hips are positioned. You know I look at things very differently. I want to see, you know, if you're tired today, because then I'm going to slow down the way that I talk. You know what I mean. So I really look at the body language. You know what I mean. So I really look at the body language. What is, what is the body telling me and how I can react to that and and really get them to um, boost the mood. You know how can I give them the dopamine that I? I know that they need. So, yeah, so I'm going to read their body language, I'm going to um, I'm going to kind of see what, what I can do to help them in that area, and then that's how I'm going to make my judgments of where we're going to move next thank you.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Are there any parts of your operation that you wish could run smoother? I mean, it sounds like you've got a very tight ship, you've got a very good engaged team, but is there anything that you think there's some bottlenecks here, things I'd like to smooth out?

Samantha Cliborne:

yeah, I, there's always improvements that can be made. The biggest thing right now is, you know, we're going to need a bigger space. With adding in occupational therapy and mental health counseling, we're going to definitely need a bigger space. So smoothing out the ins and outs of who's in treatment space one, who's in treatment space two you know just the logistics of the work, so to say can easily be smoothed out. There's always ways to smooth out scheduling things like that. But other than that, I mean, I try to keep this as well-oiled as possible and the oil is the happiness right.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Brilliant. And how do you balance personalization with scalability in your programs? Because there's only one of you, um, and you know you're talking about growing.

Samantha Cliborne:

I just wonder how you manage to kind of strike that balance so the way that I do it is, I give everything all of me, all day long, you know. You know I am this job. You know it is not the only thing that I care about by any means. But you know, when I wake up in the morning and it's time to go to work, like they're going to get Samantha Clyburn basic Samantha Clyburn, but they're also going to get Samantha Clyburn BCBA you know they're going to get this, they're going to get that.

Samantha Cliborne:

You know, and it's yeah, I mean it's it's hard sometimes, but I just you just show up, you do be happy, you exude, you put out into the world which you want, you know, your, your staff to to exude. And that's really what I try to do and it's what I've been fairly successful at so far. So I just I show up every day and I try to do the absolute best I can. And you know what? That's all we all are doing. We are all just doing the absolute best we can. So it's about being aware. It's about not just being aware of yourself, but it's about being aware of everyone else around you too. So keeping that mindfulness as well.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Amazing and sort of six to 12 months down the line. What would success look like for you at your work at Behavior Matters? Where do you want to be? A little bit further down the line. You talked about taking on more people, hopefully finding your larger space, but is there anything else?

Samantha Cliborne:

Yes, it is going to be integrating other healthcare providers and systems into our treatment.

Samantha Cliborne:

So, where we're looking at going like as far as moving to a different location, we're going to look to go around dentist's office, doctor's office.

Samantha Cliborne:

You know so much of our kids are scared of these places, you know, and if we can bridge that, that fear between other clinicians and them doing their job and treating these kids that you know have genuine fears of the tools, the basic tools that a dentist use every day, if I can get them just through habituation, if I can just get them to see those tools, to walk in those doors, to sit in their waiting rooms, then we're going to, we're really going to change the face of healthcare, you know, because you're not going to have screaming kids. You know, I can, you know I've gone into daycares, I've gone into doctor's offices, I've gone into homes and you know, and I've taught the clinicians what to look for, how to go a little slower, you know. So, honestly, down the road, six, you know six months a year down the road it's going to be partnering with other clinicians and it's going to be. How can we, as a field, change the, you know, our environment, society? That's where I want behavior matters to go amazing.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

And if you could change, if you could wave a magic wand and solve one big operational care challenge, what would that be? One operation of what a big operational or care challenge. What would that be an?

Samantha Cliborne:

operation all care challenge operational or care challenge.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

So something about the kind of the operations of your business or about the whole care business that you're in. What would it be? Uh, one more time sorry so if you could wave a magic wand and solve one big bottleneck, whether it's an operational thing, about the way that the business runs, or about the whole care sector.

Samantha Cliborne:

What would that be?

Samantha Cliborne:

it would be cohesion, to be completely honest, um, it would be yes, we do have to follow HIPAA and we have to make sure we're maintaining client um dignity and records and all of that. But it would be cohesion. It would be getting together and you know understanding, not just knowing. You know a little pamphlet of like what OT does right and how they help regulate you know sensory overloads and sensory issues. It's about well, I want to know how to do that too. I don't want to just know about it, I want to know it. So it would be the cohesion between all the different therapy models. You know there's there's so much in mental health counseling that that I take on. You know my master's was in counseling and you know I use those tools every single day and what's crazy is they call it one thing in mental health counseling and behavior analysis. They call it another and it's the exact same thing, right? And so I feel like that a lot of clinicians are kind of this is my realm and this is my modality and I'm stuck here.

Samantha Cliborne:

No we're not stuck. Be unstuck, be flexible, you know, be curious, you know and I think that's what's taken me so far is I'm curious, I want to know what they're doing in PT. I have, I have watched PT sessions and I've said, oh, I can do that. And so obviously I don't do the technical things, because that is their education and their knowledge, but I'll take some of their, their exercises. I'm like, huh, I can do that. Let's add that in. And so not only are we looking at shaping behavior, but we're working on the correct muscles in order to get up to do potty training right. It's about where you hold your hands, it's about building the correct muscles. There's so much that we can utilize from other therapy modalities. So to answer that question cohesion.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Thank you. Final question If time and budget weren't an issue, what's a service or innovation you'd love to implement tomorrow?

Samantha Cliborne:

A service implementation I would want to implement tomorrow. That is a very good question, one tomorrow. That is a very good question and that's a tough one. I you know, I don't actually know what. What can we do, what would you do?

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Well, I mean, I guess, I mean you may be very happy with everything you're doing. You may be doing everything that you think is possible. I just sort of put it out there. If there's one thing that there was you know it was a money thing that you couldn't do tomorrow, or something else that would take a little bit of thinking, is there something that you would like go for straight away?

Samantha Cliborne:

It's I. I just I love the path that we're on. I think that I think that we're on that path and and we are honestly like we're doing everything that we're doing, that we need to be doing, and we're going in the right path. And as long as we stick with the cohesion, as long as we stick with you know the level of partnership between our clients and our staff, then you know there's there's nothing, there's no, there's nothing else that needs to happen, just cohesion. You know familiness, togetherness, but also some hard work and some dedication. You know it takes discipline.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Samantha, thank you so much for your time this afternoon. It's been really interesting hearing about what you do in Behavior Matters, the passion and drive that you have and your approach for caring for your team and making sure that you give your patients really the best possible outcomes. Really, I'm really really grateful. Thank you so much for your time, Really appreciate it.

Samantha Cliborne:

Absolutely appreciate it, thank you.

Dr Andrew Greenland:

Thank you.