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[S2EP7] Why Systems Are the Most Pastoral Part of Leadership │ 40 Lessons In 40 Years
Welcome to The LeadingSmart Podcast Episode 7: Why Systems Can Be the Most Pastoral Part of Leadership
Most leaders think of systems as boring—but what if they’re actually one of the most pastoral things you can create? In this episode, Tim and Holly unpack why church systems, staffing strategies, and budgeting processes aren’t just logistics—they’re acts of leadership care.
Drawing from 40 years of experience as an executive pastor, Tim shares practical lessons on hiring, mission and vision clarity, and how to know what to say “no” to. You’ll also hear how frameworks like Rocket Fuel help visionary and integrator leaders thrive, plus a fun “Stevens or Maxwell” challenge that puts leadership quotes to the test.
👉 By the end of this conversation, you’ll see how the right organizational systems create freedom, focus, and healthier teams.
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