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[S2EP11] Lessons from Granger: The Cost of Growth │ 40 Lessons In 40 Years
Welcome back to Episode 11. This episode isn’t just another ministry story — it’s an honest, emotional reflection on leadership, growth, burnout, community, and soul health after decades in ministry.
The Lead Team during the high-growth years at Granger Community Church reflect on the exhilaration of that season — and the parts that were sometimes soul-crushing. Together, they share candid lessons about what it meant to lead through rapid growth, the loneliness of leadership, the cost of success, and the importance of relationships and self-awareness.
The major themes running through the conversation include:
🔹 The cost of unchecked growth and success
🔹 The danger of isolation in leadership
🔹 Why soul care and self-awareness matter more than performance
🔹 Learning from failure and decline after years of winning
🔹 The importance of not leading alone
Whether you’re a pastor, a ministry leader, or someone passionate about leading with integrity, this conversation will challenge and encourage you to slow down, reflect, and care for your soul as much as your calling.
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