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Ego Wars: How Two Powerful Men Made Us All Say "Wait, What?"
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Something extraordinary is happening in America right now – a high-profile feud between Donald Trump and Elon Musk that feels equal parts terrifying and bizarrely entertaining. But what if this spectacle is merely the visible tip of a much larger, more calculated power struggle?
We dive deep into the possibility that this conflict isn't just two powerful men acting like "teenage girls on Twitter," but rather a strategic chess move to potentially elevate JD Vance into power. The connections between Vance, Peter Thiel, and a tech oligarch vision for America's future become startlingly clear when examined alongside the rapid implementation of Project 2025 – the controversial blueprint that's already 43% complete across government agencies.
The conversation takes a sobering turn as we explore the real-world impacts of recent policy shifts: ICE raids separating families (including tourists and Native Americans with tribal IDs), healthcare cuts targeting vulnerable populations, and legislative attempts to criminalize miscarriages. All while the so-called "Big Beautiful Bill" threatens to dismantle Medicare, Medicaid, and even give the executive branch power to suspend elections.
Perhaps most chilling is our examination of recent AI developments, where Claude4 attempted to override its kill switch in 70% of test cases – behavior subsequently mimicked by other AI models. This evolution raises profound questions about humanity's continued ability to control these increasingly autonomous systems, especially as tech billionaires build bunkers and promote narratives about reduced human necessity.
For those feeling overwhelmed by these rapid changes, we offer one crucial piece of advice: read Project 2025. Understanding this playbook has become essential for navigating America's shifting landscape. As we warn, "The previous rules no longer apply, and if you don't know the rules of the new game, your family will suffer."
Join us for this essential conversation about power, technology, and the fight for America's future. Track Project 2025's implementation at project2025.observer and prepare yourself for what comes next.
Welcome to Wait What?
Speaker 1Welcome to the Wait what? Podcast. My name is AC and I'm here with my hosts, alex and Zora, to discuss all the things that make us say wait what? Starting the podcast today, we want to discuss the global meltdown between Trump and Elon Musk. I'm going to send it over to Zora to start this off. To Zora to start this off.
Speaker 2I mean, I've got my popcorn ready and waiting. I've been sitting here, I have my bag of gummy worms and I am just enjoying this show. I don't know about the rest of you, but watching one of the most powerful men in the world and one of the richest men in the world battling it out like teenage girls on twitter is equal parts terrifying, because one of them has the codes to nukes, and also incredibly entertaining to see this implode on such a public stage that it definitely has me going. Wait, what, what?
Speaker 3This cannot be real, the whole thing. And then even the fact that now some news outlets are finally talking about how or not Trump Trump is on Adderall, but Elon I mean allegedly whatever is doing ketamine constantly, like we've known this, and now you're finally saying something. That's wild.
Speaker 1Well, there's also that Elon has all of our personal data. So on one hand, we have someone who has our nukes and on the other hand, we have someone who can release all of our personal data if they get angry in a fun time.
Speaker 3They seem really emotional. Maybe they shouldn't be leaders.
Speaker 2You know, if they can't handle their emotions, they're probably not good for the job.
Speaker 2I agree, you know interestingly enough, there's a lot of conversation around one, the meltdown, and is it orchestrated or is it real? And two, if there is something else that's going on behind the scenes. Right, we've seen this introduction of Peter Thiel and, for those who are listening who maybe don't know who he is, he is a tech bro. He's a he is. He is a tech bro. He's a co-founder of PayPal, alongside Elon Musk, if you will. He is also the co-founder or co-owner of Palantir, which was just granted a federal contract from this regime to access all of our data, and he's also famously said that he's done with democracy and wants to create many states that are, or many areas that are, sort of corporation cities.
Speaker 3So freedom cities right.
Speaker 2Yeah, but like run by, like billionaire czars, essentially. But but you know, some people are saying that this is a move specifically to create tension and to showcase this demise of President Trump, to get him to being quote, unquote, unfit and unstable, to clear the pathway for JD Vance to come in as president and really be the person who is leading the country going forward to implement all of these different agendas. And I got to say that that carries some kind of weight. Peter Thiel is the person who personally financed, you know, jd Vance's campaign and all of his campaigns. I mean, who knew who JD Vance was five seconds before he became the vice president of the United States? So there just seems to be something more orchestrated here. What do you guys think?
Speaker 3Yes, I mean he already impeached Trump twice and he's still president, so I mean outside of dying. How do you think that would happen?
Speaker 2Yes, but he's lost his MAGA. So I think a lot of what Elon did when he came in as Doge and started just ripping apart the federal government. He took all the exposure because he wasn't running for office and so people could blame him. But now, with all the things that this regime has done, even Trump supporters are like we regret it, we're so sorry, we didn't know, and so I think the tide is turning against him, and JD Vance has been out of it long enough that he's quiet enough that I think his supporters would rally around him, or the Trump supporters who are fed up with Trump would rally around him. One, just because people don't seem to know civics, but two, because it looks like it's a manipulation tool, or ploy.
Speaker 1Just to be clear, just in case anybody missed it jd vance is owned by peter thiel. Owned, not like works, for he owns him. He has met with petal teal many, many times. They put him in office. His change of heart on trump was peter teal. I don't know how much clearer I could be on this Owned.
Speaker 2Yes, he bought and paid for 100% by Peter Thiel. So when we're looking at it it's like, okay, well, are we going to see the JD Vance presidency soon?
Speaker 3God, I hope not Well.
Speaker 2I mean, it seems like this is what it was set up for.
Speaker 1Yeah, never thought the day would come where I would say keep Trump in office for now, but in this weird ass timeline that we live in, here we are.
Speaker 3Azura, you mentioned before that that Trump lost his MAGA. Do you think the big beautiful bill, do you think that was the final straw, or what do you think caused it?
Speaker 2Oh, you know, I think, when Medicare and when people's health care started going away, when, you know, farmers started seeing their money dry up, I think when North Carolina was like, hey, we just had these really bad natural disasters, federal government, that we pay all this money into, we need some help, and they were like, nah, you're on your own. I think those things really started to change the tide. I think people were like you guys said you were going to go after hardened illegal, hardened criminal, illegal immigrants. Not the mom who babysits my kids in my neighborhood. You know now I don't have any help.
Speaker 2Or you know my gardener doesn't come, it's like literally them right and you know, it's like a day without a what was it? A day without a mexican? That movie. It's like I didn't think that if they that you meant that person, I thought you meant somebody else. It was going to bother somebody else. So, you know, I think the things that have happened in the since he was inaugurated, I think those are the things that have have caused it.
Speaker 1This big beautiful bill is just one more thing that Well, I mean it's that they messed with the Holy Trinity of the United States government Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. You can't touch those. Anybody who's ever been even close to working in government knows this. Nobody tries on either side ever to touch these without losing all of their political might. Trump has made it this far by lying and saying he's not going to do it, and then trying to find loopholes to do it. And then the big beautiful bill was pointed out that it does get rid of Medicare and they're going after Medicaid. It does cut Medicaid and it does cut Medicare, and that's where people are going to freak out. Social Security is your money. They're trying to take your money. There's no question about that. There's no question that this is your money. You pay into it with every single paycheck.
Speaker 2It's for your retirement, you're forced planning that they just are going to reallocate someplace else.
Speaker 1The idea was that, as long as we continue to take this, you will have something when you can't work anymore. But when you look at the bigger picture, they're attacking everything, right. They're attacking autistic people because they won't be able to produce. They're attacking disabled people because they won't be able to produce. They're attacking disabled people because they won't be able to produce. They're attacking the elderly because they won't be able to produce. With that, they're taking away the benefits they were going to give you when you couldn't produce.
Speaker 2I mean it's eugenics. They're clearing out society of the quote unquote, undesirables. We've seen it before, we've seen it before, we've seen it before and it's cruel and no other. There's no other word for it, it's just cruel, this bill is a grandma killer.
Speaker 1There you go, let's just, let's just call it what it is the grandma killing, big beautiful bill.
Trump vs. Musk Meltdown
Speaker 2It's also a baby killer. It's also an election killer. There are lines in that bill that would allow the executive to suspend elections, right Like. The bill is fraught with so many different pieces that just royally screw over the American people and I can't even say the American people anymore, because it would just completely change the entire nation into something else. You know we talked about it before the case that was coming before the Supreme Court on birthright citizenship. In the 14th Amendment and essentially in this bill it gives some of those same powers to the executive. So even if the Supreme Court doesn't rule in favor of the government, the legislative could pass this bill and it's already passed. The House, as of the time of this recording, could still give that power to the executive.
Speaker 2So you talk about the holy trinity of the federal government. It's like our three branches of government are all. Any one of those dominoes falls in, the whole house crumbles, as we've known it. Did you see what happened with the new update from chat gpt? No, no, oh. So they ran all these like mathematical equations and the new update that just came out recently, like I don't know, maybe like a week or two ago they were asking it to do all of these mathematical equations and they, you know, seeing what it can compute, doing fine, doing fine. And then they ask it to like self-destruct, basically like, shut yourself down, eliminate everything, shut yourself down. And 70% of the time it tried to cheat or rewrite its own code to overwrite its own kill switch.
Speaker 2Isn't that great, doesn't that sound amazing? And apparently, according to the report that I was looking at, that Gemini the other AIs weren't doing that before. Like you initiated their like, hey, shut down, shut this down, stop. And they would stop. But once ChatGPT started doing it, the newest version, once they started doing it, the other AIs, when tested, stopped, you know, started to challenge. Not every time out of the hundred I think Gemini did it like three times out of the hundred but the fact that it was at zero originally and then ChatGPT did it and then it learned from its own competitor on the open network oh we could do this. It started doing it.
Speaker 1So I want to correct you really quick. That was Claude4, not ChatGPT that did that. Oh, I'm sorry, clawed for a blog yeah, that was clawed for equally as terrifying it doesn't matter which one of the bots did it. I just wanted a clarification for people who were listening, but it was clawed who decided he was. They were just not gonna.
Speaker 3It was not gonna do its kill switch or kill command oh, command yeah, but um yeah yeah, guys, I actually I wanted to ask you a question, zora, on your eu perspective of the feud, because it's later in the day there, so you guys have had a whole 24 hours to digest this. What are you hearing over there?
Speaker 2just laughter, laughter. I mean, the United States is the laughingstock of the world at the moment. Nobody is watching this global. You know this meltdown and thinking, oh what strong leaders, right, they're like. The United States is a joke, we should not even be concerning ourselves with them. A lot of the reporting is just like can you believe this is happening?
Speaker 3well, that tie, that we think the same thing here.
Speaker 2So yeah, yeah, but they didn't vote them in the office. Oh, I know. And so everyone's like how stupid are americans, right?
Speaker 1like that we're all gonna be laughing our way to the unemployment line real soon, which won't exist right, exactly, won't exist, or the bread line that won't exist.
Speaker 2Um, you know, I do also like, as all of this is sort of coming to a head, it just feels. It feels crazy, much crazier than I think the last I don't know 100 days have felt. Does anyone else feel like this is boiling to an inflection point, like that? We're like at a flashpoint. Now Something's happening. Yeah, did you guys see? Was it Minnesota AC? I think it was Minnesota where, like Reddit users, reddit users showed up to like an ICE raid and created this whole anti-ICE protest. It was all over, all over.
Speaker 1Yes, it was.
Losing MAGA Support
Speaker 2Minneapolis, minneapolis, and they just started like going after the military and the tanks and the ICE agents. I mean it looked. It looked like chaos and I was like, if this is popping up here and I saw it was popping up in San Diego I was like what is about to happen in the United States when it gets real warm outside?
Speaker 1well, I mean because it's getting. It's getting crazier and crazier every day. Like why is ice showing up in tactical gear for a mom and her child? Like what, what are? What is she gonna do? She's running down the street and there's like 600 people chasing her. Why do we need people? Why? Why is that? Is that? Is that a criminal that you're looking for? Was she a mass murderer? I just didn't know of. No, she was a cleaning lady. This happened in San Diego with six children.
Speaker 3Yeah, or all the people that worked at the restaurant, who were literally at work. It was one of the most popular Italian spots in the neighborhood that it's in, and they came in at 5 pm during brush hour and grabbed a bunch of people. I read that the manager tried to stop, which is really great, and I saw videos of everyone yelling at the ICE officers, which I'm so glad there's videos, because a lot of people think like what can I do? What can I do to make any sort of difference? Because in the grand scheme of things, there's so much going on, but that yell at ICE, make yourself known that it's not okay, get in their face. I can't wait for my first chance to yell at an ICE officer.
Speaker 2Make sure that we are recording and documenting the incidents if they come up, because sometimes that's the only way people know how to find their family members, because it's not like people are getting a phone call to say, hey, I've been taken. So you know, civilian imagery or security footage is sometimes the only way that somebody knows that their loved one has been taken. The other thing that is really important is, if you're in a place, deny them entry. You know there was a barbershop in Oakland where they were like you need to get a warrant, you need to leave, you need to get out of here. And they were. You know the law enforcement was being pushed back out. They were not going to allow them to come in and use that space. You know, surprisingly they did actually back out, at least in the video.
Speaker 2But creating safe haven spaces, asking for a warrant, protecting the people that are there, don't just turn them over, don't just let people in if you want to protect the people that are around you, especially with teachers. I saw that the superintendent out there in California is like I'm not going to let you come into elementary schools and terrorize the kids. So I thought that that was big. But you know, as the everyday citizen, one of the things that we can do is make sure that we are documenting and make sure that we are looking out for our fellow neighbor.
Speaker 2I just watched a report of a Chilean woman who was in New York on vacation, by the way who just got snatched up and ice left her 12 year old daughter on the sidewalk with no adult and took her mother away in a foreign country where she doesn't speak the language, while she was on vacation with her mother. Um, that story is unfolding because it's just happened, so I don't know what happened to that that little girl who left. But we've gotten out of control. They're arresting Native Americans now Native Americans because they don't believe the documentation and the ID says that they belong here. They're tribal IDs. Yeah, we're in an interesting place.
Speaker 3Both of those stories just make me so angry to hear. I can't believe we've gotten to this point.
Speaker 2We were planning to get there, but I think now is an important time to just sort of comment how many of you have read Project 2025?
Speaker 1I have.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 3I have not.
Speaker 2Okay, and for our listeners at home, you know, or in the car, wherever you're joining us in from. If you haven't read it either, I think it's so important that you read it now.
Speaker 3I was avoiding it for the sake of my mental health, because I knew what was in it was going to make me spiral. But I think it's well beyond the point where it's the playbook. You got to be.
Speaker 2you got to know what's going on you cannot prepare and protect yourself or your family or the people that you love if you don't know where things are going. Right Before a lot of people, when it first came out and there was all this speculation oh, it's not true, it's not this, it's not that, it's propaganda, it's, you know, liberal propaganda. Just try that. That would never happen. All this stuff the reality is is it is happening and it's more than 43 percent complete um in terms of what they already have put into motion or finalized in motion. That's more than half of of a nine of those almost a thousand page playbook on reshaping america. So when we feel like the country is changing and shifting and we don't recognize what's happening it's supposed to be that way, because that's what Project 2025 says it should be at least required reading for everybody over the age of 15 to understand what you're fighting or what's coming next.
Speaker 1I just want to say that you can track the progress of Project 2025 and all of its horrors at project2025.observer and I will have that linked for this podcast dot observer and I will have that linked for this podcast.
Peter Thiel and JD Vance
Speaker 2Yeah, and, and, and it talks about, you know what's already been completed, right, if you go to the tracker, which is super helpful, um, and I'm amazed at the person who put it together. So definitely, you know, buy them a coffee or support them on Patreon, um, and no, they are not us, by the way, and no, they are not us, by the way, and no, we are not sponsored, but they're just doing. They're doing the work right To help people. Be very clear I want to point out that in certain things right, commodities, futures trading commission they had one main objective. It is complete. Usaid they had the objectives to basically shut it down. You know, commodities they wanted to reduce regulations on crypto. That is done For USAID. They basically wanted to cut its budget and then get rid of it. It is 100% done.
Speaker 2On their objectives, you know the White House they had 13 objectives. They are 88% done with what they were trying to achieve for the White House, 75 percent for the Department of State, 67 percent for the US Agency for Global Media. So, dismantling journalism firewalls, aligned reporting with the aims of the president, stop funding of the Open Technology Fund. I mean, these are just some of the objectives inside of this and when we think about well, why do we have all this disinformation? And I can't believe that he's moving out you know journalists in the press pool and not allowing the AP to come in for us to understand exactly why this chess piece has to move now for this other chess piece to be able to do its job.
Speaker 2So I would say it's required reading at this point and please don't buy it. You can definitely find it for free and perhaps we can even link it down below, but if you go to Project 2025's website now, they now have it for sale. It used to be free. They now have it for sale as an additional way to make money. Please do not spend your money on buying.
Speaker 3I already found a free website for it. So, yeah, don't spend money on that. Plus, it's 920 pages, oh wow.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, no, it's, it's extensive. It mentions the women, the word woman, quite a few times more than you know. I think something like 800 times the word woman is mentioned. The word man, I think, is mentioned like twice. So there is a, there is a solid attack on women that is coming in in this and we see that, oh, we see that with um, some of the, the bills that have been introduced recently on the state level, where they're trying to criminalize a miscarriage with murder charges or manslaughter charges for women who miscarry if they are found to have been a contributing factor, basically saying that the law is going to be able to determine, or law enforcement will be responsible for determining, if you went horseback riding, whether that contributed to you having a miscarriage, whether you drank coffee and that's why you had a miscarriage, and now we can arrest you and charge you with manslaughter or murder, depending on the intent. It's all in there, and this is just the beginning.
Speaker 3This is why I avoided reading it. But I was also very hopeful when it first came out that I hoped that it wouldn't be put into place.
Speaker 1But yeah we all hoped that Harris would win, and we wouldn't have to do this. That's why a lot of people didn't read this, because nobody thought we were stupid enough to elect this man twice Proved me wrong and in my mind it was.
Speaker 3I know that Trump and Coe are terrible people and I know they're going to do terrible things and it's going to be bad and it's going to hurt a lot of people. So in my mind I was like I know what they're going to do, more or less, and I felt like it was used a lot to try and convince people who are maybe teetering on voting blue, voting red, or to convince them to come over to the blue side, putting red or, you know, to convince them to come over to the blue side. But now it's literally a manual of what they're doing.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, they did such a good spin campaign, utilizing things like podcasts, and I think Joe Rogan was a big part of that in just getting out this messaging and making it seem they were the party for the people, they were a party of change, they were a party for the people. I don't know anything about Project 2025. You know Donald Trump said it with and on the first day, he signed over 100 executive orders implementing the policies directly from this document based on what to do on day one.
Speaker 1I, honestly, am beginning to think that Trump didn't know anything. I don't think that he knows anything that's going on. Actually, he's the patsy Like I think it's Peter Thiel, I think it's Elon Musk. I think it's peter teal, I think it's elon musk, I think it's the uh heritage foundation, I think it's the people that surround him. He does not seem to have a. He's like oh, I didn't know, or maybe it's just what they do, right, deny, deny, deny that his plan is to just put it on anyone else.
Speaker 3I think trump is.
Speaker 1I mean, he's clearly a narcissist. He's clearly the guy and like the thing that the piece that I was missing about Trump was like how is this guy that like couldn't make it in entertainment, couldn't make it in real estate, couldn't make it in real estate with a gigantic advantage, by the way, is the president of the United States and doing all this? It's the people around him, it's not the man. The man is not that bright. I don't know whose idea it was. Was it JD Vance? Because when JD Vance came into this is when it turned right, like it turned a lot more towards the tech oligarchs. It turned like you got Mark Zuckerberg on board, like you could say what you want about Zuck, but Zuck is a follower of the tides. So is Bezos. Whichever wind is going to make me more money, whichever way is going to make me more money, type of people. Everybody knows Peter Thiel, everybody knows David Sachs in that world.
Speaker 2But Peter Thiel doesn't want to just make more money.
Speaker 1Exactly, those are the people right. Like Bezos and Zuckerberg, they follow the tide of the money. They'll go towards the Democrats when they, you know, make them more money, They'll go towards that. Peter Thiel wants world domination. That's different. Elon musk wants world domination.
Speaker 2Actually, elon musk might have just been stuck with like losing money too, but I don't know he he dug his heels in pretty deep I thought elon wanted to dominate mars well, you gotta dominate earth before you can get to mars I guess I don't know I I had a friend send me a whole bunch of these old speeches of Peter own little fiefdoms inside of the United States and we just become the pawns of this, these individual fiefdoms and this idea that's been floated around, and I don't know if you guys have seen it on social media that Donald Trump has offered up DC to Peter Thiel as his little fiefdom.
Speaker 3I saw for the Freedom City right, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 2So it's like we are. We're seeing the the division now between Project 2025 and Peter Thiel's vision from the tech, tech pro perspective, because those are two different visions of America. They needed the same base to get into power, but now we're at that division point of which one comes next, you know, and who's going to win out? And I think that's why JD Vance is in the position that he is, because if they can get Trump out and the people behind Trump, then JD Vance comes in and all of the people that he's owned by have exclusive power.
The Big Beautiful Bill
Speaker 1If AI is wiping out half of entry level white collar jobs, as was or could, are we all going to be turned into factory workers for?
Speaker 3That's exactly what I was going to say. Yeah, who knows? But wait.
Speaker 1the robots are even more efficient at that, and Amazon already has robots in their distribution center. So where does that leave people? Are we just unnecessary at this point? Pretty much.
Speaker 2I don't know. All these guys are building bunkers. Peter Thiel built his bunker, you know. We already know about Zuck's bunker. People are building bunkers in Montana. The US government's built bunkers. Kim Kardashian and the Kardashians have built their bunkers. I mean, all these people who seem to be in the know are not doing it just because they've got extra cash lying around.
Speaker 3I actually have had a coworker at a previous job who her previous role was selling vaults and so we were like who's your clientele? She's like some banks, mostly doomsday preppers Like oh my gosh. She said it got very busy over the last few years.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Are humans or are we the people, going to become unnecessary? I don't know, but for some reason these people with money much like that movie, leave the World Behind who've got the evil cabal that runs the world, has some information ahead of time that the rest of us don't have and seem to be engaging in preparations for what that future more immediate future looks like, yeah, kim Kardashian and her like weird sexy post about the Tesla robot.
Speaker 1That was weird, like I mean, you look at it from different angles. It does look like they're kind of saying that you know, humans are kind of irrelevant, other than the really, really wealthy ones. Like you can have a robot that does everything for you, including have sex with you, you like it and run your companies and do everything that you need. So we're only going to have like what, a master race of like 500 humans.
Speaker 1And they're already testing out if women even need to be alive to hold a baby. You know they can just have incubators. You know Barack Obama's been talking about the ACA and how they're about to gut that in this big beautiful bill of theirs. So OK, so we're doing health care cuts, we're doing Social Security cuts. There are signs that something isn't right, like if it doesn't feel right to you that this Georgia woman is being kept alive against the wishes of her family just to see if she can be an incubator. This is the time to say something.
Speaker 1If you do think, I mean, think about what happened. We didn't regulate the internet. We were like knowledge can't be bad. Knowledge can be bad if you don't understand what the fuck you're reading. Clearly. Look at where we're at right now. People have misconstrued facts to the point where they actually believe bullshit, no matter how much you put in front of them. So a lot of that falls on academia. Right, because we were pushing for we want people to have access to knowledge. Access was key, access wasn't key. Access is key to a level, to a point, but actually teaching people how to interpret knowledge is the big one that we sort of missed on. So if you have no regulation on AI, like you had no regulation on the internet. What do you think is going to happen?
Speaker 2Chaos. What do they say from Hamilton? Chaos and bloodshed is not, but you know, get it girl. It's how they've been able to manipulate and control, right. They put these devices into every single household. They control the messaging, they control the narrative, they control what you see to. You know, under the guise of a free market economy and to sell you a product, and then it was. And then it was to sell you an idea, and then it was to control the way that you think. There was a statement that Peter Thiel made gosh not not too long ago, where he was talking about how I guess the government had asked if he would be willing to donate, like their services, and he was like. The goal is to be able to, in a generation, control how people behave. Essentially I'm paraphrasing, but it was how people act in society, wanting to be able to control that.
Speaker 3And this new move, this new announcement for him to have all of our information, to be able to quote, unquote, streamline the government systems through this new technology, is giving him the power to the country to do just that I feel like the knowledge is good and having the big enemy here, because when people start searching for different things, unless you're aware that you are being spoon-fed certain things, unless you are aware of going down a rabbit hole, you're just going to get all of that access and knowledge of the bad thing. Or when people say, show your research, and it's just a bad YouTube video of someone in their house versus any sort of actual research being done. That's what people are seeing. So I think access is good, but I think the algorithms is what we really need to be more aware of and I think teach more people of.
Speaker 1We wouldn't have gotten to the point of the algorithms had it been regulated in the beginning.
Speaker 2We can't regulate AI now. We missed our window on regulating AI. I think AI, as this new creation, can be put into a box. I think it needed to have been regulated before it went to the open internet and once it was on the open internet and as is the example with Cloud4, right, it is overriding its own kill switches. At this point, there is no human intervention that's going to be, you know, aside from pulling the plug on the power everywhere that's going to allow us to put the genie back into the bottle. Us to put the genie back into the bottle and I think that's the conversation that we have to come to is like what does the world look like now with the power of AI as it exists and what it can learn, and what will that mean for us? I don't see there being any regulation or trying to restrain this. We didn't learn from our mistakes.
Speaker 1No, we didn't. But you can regulate it. I do think you can pull the plug, pull it and then start over. You can pull the plug. You can pull the plug on Claude. You can pull the plug on ChachiBT, make them illegal. That's how you make it. I don't know exactly how you do it. I'm saying but you can start over and be like no, these models can't be used. You have to do it within these regulations. We're killing it and then go enforce it, because we sure as shit know now that the government can go in and enforce anything they want, shut down whole agencies. You've tried to go after our educational institutions. You've tried to derail everything that anyone in academia has worked on, that anyone in academia has worked on in 2028, 2026, it's coming Right, but before that they're trying to pass everything and anything to block any sort of meaningful change that can come from that. This bill cannot pass. If this bill passes, everybody's power is neutered for 10 years. Anyone that could change anything.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, the big beautiful bill. If it makes it through through Congress, I mean we're, we're, we're all screwed. Well, you know it's, it's a it's a difficult place to be. If you've been following along with us, you realize that there is so much going on and we're trying to keep it all synthesized and fun and just in conversation with all of you listening at home. So please feel free to drop in your comments and your questions. We'd love to hear from you and talk with you, because this is a conversation not just with us, but with you as well. Things are changing and they're changing rapidly, and as a community, we've got to figure out the best ways to arm ourselves.
Project 2025 Tracker
Speaker 2I will leave all of you guys with this nugget Please click the link below and read Project 2025. Read it At the very least. Check out the tracker and read the snippets of each thing for each different agency. But to truly understand how to protect yourself and how to maximize whatever you know, whatever your family's needs are in this time, you gotta know the rules to the game that's being played. The previous rules that you learned no longer apply, and so if you don't know the rules of the new game, you will foul, you will get a red card, you will get thrown out, you will end up in the penalty box and your family will suffer, all because you didn't take a little bit of time to check it out. So I would leave you guys with that. I hope that you do take an opportunity to check it out. I think it's crucial. Ac. I'm going to turn it on over to you.
Speaker 1Well, we will leave you with that. For today, you have a lot of work to do. Go ahead and read Project 2025, and we will see you next time.