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Neural Pathways: Exploring Headaches, Epilepsy, and Men's Mental Health
Neurologist Connor Petty joins us to explore the intricate relationship between brain health and mental wellbeing, sharing insights from his practice treating everything from migraines to Parkinson's disease in rural Oklahoma. We dive deep into the distinction between common headaches and migraines while examining how modern lifestyle factors affect our neurological health.
• Connor Petty's journey from working with children with autism to becoming a neurologist
• The crucial differences between headaches and migraines and when to seek medical attention
• How increased screen time affects neurological health across all age demographics
• Proper response to witnessing a seizure, debunking common myths about epilepsy
• The relationship between neurological health and men's mental wellbeing
• Three pillars missing in men's health today: faith, family, and fun
• How small, consistent actions build the foundation for mental resilience
• The neurochemical impact of instant gratification versus delayed rewards
• Why intergenerational mentorship and guidance matter for young men's development
Join us next time as we continue this important conversation about men's mental health with Connor, addressing the broader implications for society and strategies for positive change.
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Yes, all right. So I am here with Connor Petty, dpn excuse me, dnp, aprn, cmp.
Speaker 2:All right, man, I'm happy to have you here today, man. Thanks for having me, Darnell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, I'm pretty excited about this. Just a little background I worked with Connor at the Veterans Center, so where we first met, and at the time he was a registered nurse and he was a nurse practitioner school. He was also the manager for 311 ship at the Veterans Center. He was Superman, in my opinion, because he he has, he has a full-time family and kids and animals and I mean I just just amazing man. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:I had some kryptonite in there, I don't know I don't know, man I.
Speaker 1:I mean, it was pretty, pretty admirable what you were doing, man I. I gotta go ahead and give you props for that man.
Speaker 2:So tell us a little bit about yourself, man yeah, so uh started in nursing um really my exposure to kids with autism and Down syndrome was kind of first. At first I wanted to be a herpetologist and study reptiles and be Steve Irwin, okay. It was to the vein of my parents that I kept a lot of reptiles at home.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Anyway, in high school I went to a camp called Camp Barnabas. It really changed my life. I got to see where I could be a nurse and help not only patients but friends that were on the spectrum. That really got me interested in neurology to start out. And then as I started my journey I realized I wanted to go back to school and become a nurse practitioner and then pursued my doctorate in that and then found myself working in neurology. So that's kind of a full package dream. It took a span of almost 15 years total, but I was a nurse for eight and a half years almost um throughout that time and doing graduate work and working and family and things like that. So that's kind of the long and short of it okay okay, I mean that reptology dream, that would have been something yeah, yeah, uh.
Speaker 2:I I figured out uh pretty early on that, um, I enjoyed the human connection more and and and figuring out, uh, where I could play a part and somebody teaching me about, okay, more the human experience. And so I still have that nerdy side and I'm seeing more of that in my two daughters as well as they catch animals and bring them inside. We're constantly finding bugs or whatever it is now and my daughter wanted to go on snake hunts and things like that. So it's still there, but definitely not as a workplace thing.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, man, that is awesome. All right, man. So tell us a little bit about where you currently work, what you typically do and your role in that yeah.
Speaker 2:So I work at private practice neurology care here in Ardmore, Oklahoma, with Dr Abouje and we see headaches, migraines sleep disorders, so obstructive sleep apnea but we're really more of a general neurology practice because we're in a more rural area, so there's not a lot of access to neurologists. Yes, rural area, so there's not a lot of access to neurologists?
Speaker 2:Yes, so we treat epilepsy, memory disorders, dementia, alzheimer's, parkinson's. We do nerve conduction studies looking for neuropathy, polyneuropathy and radiculopathy. We also look at tremors, kind of a broad spectrum of neurological disorders, post-stroke things of that nature where we're dealing more with the brain and nervous system all in all at that practice.
Speaker 1:Okay. So let's start something small, so like headaches, right? So you guys deal with headaches quite a bit. We do, okay, you feel like that's like something that's on the rise or you feel like that's something that's just you know, kind of there like how do you feel about you know headaches right now?
Speaker 2:That's a good question. So the presentation of headaches hasn't really changed. I mean, the the diagnostic criterias are pretty similar throughout the years. We do see a fair amount of trying to identify triggers in younger patients. We primarily see adults but just because of access we do see some children or pediatrics and trying to figure out if it's an exposure to blue light or sleep diet. I mean there's a lot of contributing factors that can play a part and then sometimes organically and familially migraines that we can see pass down. Those are more where we have to have medical interventions or medications. Thankfully, there's a lot of options and different management. It's not really cut and dry as far as what medications work for certain patients and which ones don't. It really is. It's exciting because it's also an art as far as figuring out with patients and identifying with them where we can best manage their symptoms, and really the biggest thing is prevention and then abortive therapy, so something that they can take as needed. In Oklahoma we see a lot of weather changes.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, a lot of patients have that as atmospheric pressure changes, allergies, sinus infections. So it is really kind of a tip of the iceberg of trying to form a relationship with our patients to identify are there ways we can dial down the intensities of their migraines and prevent them ideally? And then different criterias as far as if Botox injections or we do nerve block and trigger point injections, so if those are another adjunctive therapy or a primary therapy based on their frequency and intensity and longevity of their headaches and migraines.
Speaker 1:I've cut you off. I mean, there's some people who hear the word headache and they think like migraine is synonymous. Some people think they're the same. Can you tell us the difference between what somebody calls a headache versus a migraine?
Speaker 2:Right, right, that is a good distinction. So a lot of times how I differentiate. Headaches will sometimes build into migraines. So migraines are more of a long duration, so greater than four hours. Most patients have photophobia, phonophobia, so sensitively light, sound, sometimes nausea. And the biggest thing is identifying. When a patient has a headache right or a migraine, what do they do besides medication to make it better? So a lot of times with migraines you'll hear patients say I want to go to a cool dark room and sleep for a while. Where a headache is, it can be very sudden and very intense, but doesn't last greater than four hours. That's kind of the real big distinctions. Each person presents a little bit differently and with migraines we can see over time people's pain tolerance gets pretty high.
Speaker 2:And so as we start to treat, they start to realize where they were having more migraines than they thought, or that they had migraines building on top of each other. So we do.
Speaker 2:That's where the NERD block injections trigger point injections are really nice, and cocktail injections for that matter, are helpful in breaking through those like three, four day migraines that patients deal with. And the biggest thing is identification early on. People in a primary care setting may not notice that that's causing a lot of their other symptoms of memory or focus or just overall pain, and so by treating that and dialing those intensities down they're able to focus more, function within social environments Because, stu, we have a lot of people under ambient light and exposure to computers is a big thing that we're noticing. I don't know if I'm fairly new to the practice noticing.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I'm fairly new to the practice, so I can't say that we're having an influx in that based on computer exposure, but it seems that there can be a trend there as far as the necessity of using a computer more. So we use a lot of, or suggest a lot of, blue light canceling glasses or screen protectors. Again, it's not going to fully take those away, dialing down the intensity and triggers.
Speaker 1:Interesting. So you say increased screen time. Is this for? We're talking about kids, we're talking about adults, a combination of both? Or what are we seeing here?
Speaker 2:Really across the board In cell phone use too.
Speaker 1:We now can't leave the home without that, of course.
Speaker 2:It's like attached to our hand and so that's really across all ages Interesting. Again, it's not one of those things that that's where the migraine comes from, because you can have it organically, but it is a contributing factor and we can't really get away from it right now at least how society operates with those.
Speaker 1:So trying to mitigate the risks and treat the symptoms at that point Interesting, so at what point should a person seek medical attention, like if they are having a headache? Let's say they're having a headache for three or four days. You know it's throbbing, it's sharp. You know at what point should a person, like a regular person who doesn't see like their primary care doctor they should, or they don't see a neurologist. They're experiencing headaches, but what point should they seek medical attention?
Speaker 2:Right. So, from a nursing and medical background, headaches are a symptom of some pretty things you don't want to miss, yeah, so whenever you start to have a headache, that's debilitating, or you're not able to function daily, or it's changing in characteristics, sometimes we'll even have patients that have difficulty with balance or difficulty with speech, and those are kind of the tip of the iceberg. So we really need to look at imaging, making sure there's no physiological response to the headache, so tumors, strokes things of that nature, so it's a good question.
Speaker 2:My default in primary practice or clinical practice is go to the ER.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, make sure, at that point we're not dealing with something that's more acute?
Speaker 2:Yeah, at that point we're not dealing with something that's more acute. Yeah, if it is more of a subtle onset and symptoms, bringing it to your primary care that can then evaluate do I feel comfortable treating this or do we need neurological evaluation for a more complex or atypical presentation? Interesting. Okay so how often do you guys maybe yourself deal with epilepsy? It's a pretty large portion of our practice and Dr Abouje's practice. We do EEGs, which are brainwave studies, and then ambulatory BEGs, so those are 72-hour Okay.
Speaker 2:To hopefully catch those Percentage basis I would be hard to say a strict number.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But it's a pretty large majority the true epilepsy, not so much Gotcha, Because a lot of things present as seizure-like activity that are not epilepsy, and so that is probably the biggest thing we have to one educate For sure. And then two differentiate within diagnosis. That's why the EEGs and ambul ambulatories are very, very beneficial because, not only do we want to give the patient the right treatment, but we also want to reduce medical expense, because seizures are are scary you lose consciousness, you can have injuries, but there's a lot of other things that can manifest that way Cardiac changes, blood pressure changes, blood sugar changes, and so a lot of them aren't the etiology of epilepsy?
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:But working it up and making sure that, if the patient is having epilepsy, that we're treating it appropriately and helping them get the most relief of their seizure activity.
Speaker 1:So if somebody is actively having a seizure let's say somebody doesn't have a medical background what advice would you give to those who maybe witness a seizure, or what should they do?
Speaker 2:if they witness one Good question. So the biggest thing is keeping the person safe, getting them on their side, getting to the floor safely, make sure they don't hit their head. Seizures are very prompt and typically do not last very long, true seizures? Okay, and so you're not going to physically stop a seizure. It's a. I like to explain to patients that it's similar to the electricity in your house and so you have all the lights on, then you plug in the curling iron, the power goes out.
Speaker 1:That's similar to how your brain is working at that point.
Speaker 2:It's doing a reboot and it's kicking back on the system. You've got to flip the breaker and so allowing them to have the seizure but, keeping them where they're not going to aspirate or vomit, so keeping them on their side so they're not choking or inhaling that getting into their lungs. And then the biggest thing, too, is a safe environment, so getting them to the floor cushioning their head, and when I say cushioning, there is a caveat they're making sure that they're not on a pillow or something that could block their airway, but it will resolve okay, some do not in those cases, ems or making sure if this is a new presentation getting emergency care personnel involved as soon as possible.
Speaker 2:But knowing that if you're keeping the patient safe and you're with them so that they do not injure themselves it will subside, it will resolve, and so not trying to stop not putting anything in their mouth? I think that's a misconception, that they'll swallow their tongue or anything like that. We do have a lot of those questions as far as it is so get them in a safe position on the ground and on their side.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, yeah, cause I know that for some people it can be a pretty scary experience if they see it for the first time, especially if they don't have any medical training or anything like that. That is pretty good advice. How often do you guys deal with Parkinson's disease?
Speaker 2:We have a fair amount of patients with Parkinson's. As far as is this an? Action tremor or is this a resting tremor and Parkinson's really don't have a diagnostic test that truly rules that out.
Speaker 1:So we are besides an autopsy, which we don't prefer to do, Especially not alive, which we don't prefer to do, especially not alive, no, so a lot of that is identifying characteristics.
Speaker 2:There are DAT scans that can help with understanding dopamine levels within the ratio of the population. Okay, it's not as specific, but it is a good clinical tool to say this is most likely where we're going as far as Parkinsonism. Yes so characteristics of Parkinson's and early intervention, so a lot of times being able to intervene earlier with the abraded kinesia. So the stiffness of movement and keeping with safety of falls definitely helps long term Because once we have an injury with Parkinson's, it is greatly hindered on our healing and mortality at that point.
Speaker 2:So we see a great deal of it again.
Speaker 1:I'm remiss, I can't know you're good in it, you're good but it is a large majority. We can see you're good, so we're on shift gears just for a little bit. Let's talk about a subject that I'm like, I'm pretty passionate about.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about men's mental health hmm, let's talk about it I was watching a podcast recently I think it was the human lab, oh, and he recently had I think it was the Huberman Lab, and he recently had on a guest that was in the military that talked about. I think he said like 77% of men right now don't even qualify for the military because of either obesity or mental health or some type of drug abuse. That represents a large percentage.
Speaker 2:And really yeah, I haven't heard that statistic. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I know that I'm throwing that at you there but it just it makes me think about a much broader subject and maybe think about the state, the mental state of a man. It makes me really think of that. First off, I think that there's a stigma with men and mental health.
Speaker 1:I know there's been an increase in awareness of programs and things of that nature. But why do you think that we as a society here in America, especially that you know and once again I know that statistic and I'm just throwing that at you but why do you think there's an increase in drug abuse within men, obesity within men, decline in mental health? I know this is probably a broad subject, but just kind of give me your thoughts on that. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2:Well, I think the statistic is shocking but not surprising yeah, unfortunately, yeah, um. So as far as men's health and mental health, looking at the different variables within that I think, trying to synthesize that into an organized fashion, I really look at faith.
Speaker 2:Family and fun, I think, are like three pillars that I see as being change agents within recent changes in health. So kind of identifying that more so faith so a basis of spiritual life. But also it goes to a broader spectrum of socialization where men historically do not hang out together very often or our interactions are different.
Speaker 1:It has to be around a project or something, of course.
Speaker 2:Getting something done and things like that.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That is on the decline in both sexes male and female as far as interactions in communication and I think within that, as far as both of us worked at the Veterans Center, seeing that World War II Korean veterans and Vietnam veterans and seeing those generations of where at ages 12, 13, 14, 15, where at ages 12, 13, 14, 15, there were men interactions where the child was seeing an adult male and saw some fear, but, also saw some characteristics and emulation that was hey, tuck your shirt in, get to work and these are the things of a habit and I don't see that interaction as often and I think those are really formidable.
Speaker 2:I had the blessing of both. My grandfathers were veterans and the one that my father's father was a World War II veteran. He was a medic but instilled in me at really the age of 13,. But I really understood what he was doing at 15 when he started writing me letters that said, Master Conor Petty, and it was like hey, this is a title, now you have a responsibility.
Speaker 2:You need to have some way of being valuable. Yes, and that could be making fries, it could be stacking bricks, anything, whatever it is you're contributing to society. It could be stacking bricks. Whatever it is, you're contributing to society. So I say that in faith, that you have a vision, that I have value, intrinsic value, if physically. I can't do something. I'm bringing something intellectually to the table and I'm interacting with other adults and understanding that there are stressors in life that I can overcome, and so I see that missing.
Speaker 2:The other is family. So it kind of comes back to that socialization and core value.
Speaker 1:Before you hop on the family subject I just want to kind of piggyback on what you said. You know you come from a military background and it's interesting.
Speaker 2:Oh, I haven't served.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, okay, well just think about just the family aspect. Like you, have people that have served, and I have as well. I have a brother that's currently serving in the Air Force. I have an uncle that used to serve in the Army.
Speaker 1:I have a grandfather that served 20 plus years in the military and he was a sergeant major and it's kind of interesting, those guys that I'm mentioning have what's called a sense of duty, and I think that's missing in a lot of males today. They don't have a sense of purpose or a sense of duty to want to protect somebody else. And just taking care of veterans before, well, that's one of the things they were honored to do. They love serving their country, but they love serving their fellow brother in arms as well. And so just to kind of piggyback on what you were saying, you know you talk about the faith aspect and I wholeheartedly agree.
Speaker 1:Men have to get together with other men mm-hmm we can't, we're not in this journey alone, so we're not in this alone, we're not in this alone, okay, I want you guys to know we're not alone, okay, and we're better together than we are apart, and some of you may be missing a sense of duty, so I'm gonna go ahead and throw at least this recommendation out there before we hop on the family aspect Join, get you a men's group.
Speaker 1:Find your local church or you find your local men's group, join them, okay. That can help increase your mental health, keep accountability of one another, keep up one another, and that can also improve your mental health. You're not alone. Okay, there's so many groups out there that are willing to help you and you do not have to do this alone. You can help find that sense of duty.
Speaker 2:So sorry no, no, well, and I think that's great too. As far as understanding, you're connected to others yeah but you're also connected to a mechanism and a thing that's going to keep going.
Speaker 1:So the world's going to keep spinning for the part that we know of, but having that faith that, hey, this may be overwhelming right now, but pick a task.
Speaker 2:Make your bed, and I'm not the only one that said this, and this isn't new knowledge but I think we too easily forget that we want to do everything at once and be this world changer but it really starts with doing one pushup a day, Like really the small test how you do the dishes matters and how you, yeah, just interact with other people. The small things. No one has to be looking at you. You don't have to Instagram that stuff. Sorry, I caught myself.
Speaker 1:Oh no, you're good, but you're right. You're right, though you don't have to do that.
Speaker 2:It's just like do it because it's you, take pride and you are you and you have something to value and you might be behind on your bills, but there's going to be another day. You've made it through all these other adversities in your life so you're going to keep going over those. It hasn't defeated you yet. I think there's this defeatism and the loss of faith that I can make a difference in my life, and I mean like, because there are external factors that we can't control of course of course you can control what you put in your body and when when you wake up and, yeah, how you brush?
Speaker 2:your teeth. Yes, yes, like that so yeah, so pick those things and win those battles right and then life will get better.
Speaker 1:Yeah just making those small steps, not trying to conquer the world in one day, yeah, and you can conquer the world.
Speaker 2:But it's not this like the sky opens up and things. Usually when the sky opens up, that person's prepared for 20, 30 years. It's not that they just happen to be at the right place. It's that they were grinding and working their butt off to get there and then they hit the timing right. It's not that and you have to be prepared for the timing. I think that's where most men get defeated is oh, I missed an opportunity, well, you weren't ready, so now get ready for the next one, because they're going to keep coming.
Speaker 1:Right and just the kind of. I just want to talk about the family aspect too. You know, I think that in 2024, last time I saw the data you know, us is having declining birth rates and I think a lot of men are missing out the joy of fatherhood.
Speaker 1:Now, granted, I can understand there's other factors that go into that which may be time for another interview to dive deep into that, but I think that and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it, but I think if men stepped into fatherhood and embraced fatherhood, they would actually see the joys of actually raising a child, taking care of seeing that boy grow up, that girl grow up, whatever and taking care of them instead of running away from fatherhood. I mean, I don't have the data per se right now, but of course there's an increase in single motherhood and of course it takes two to tango and a lot of these guys are some deadbeat dads walking around and I think that can also contribute to lack of mental health and I think fatherhood could boost that.
Speaker 2:What do you have to say about that.
Speaker 1:My perspective is a little mixed, I guess, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:So the high school I went to had a daycare investment. So at sophomore junior in high school I had friends that needed to drop off their kids or couldn't get their GED because they needed to work or things like that. So pretty unique perspective. As far as I haven't heard many people that had that, but we did have a lot of friends in high school that ended up finishing their degree or helping get their partner to get their degree at least a high school degree and the potential of moving on and moving up and taking care of that child too, because there wasn't always a family support system there.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of my context into I don't know about early fatherhood oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, yeah, yes, yeah, I guess I could have prefer that a little bit better, because you know it's better if it's in the right situation. For sure, yeah, um, I kind of prefer that a little bit better, but talking about, like you know, two people that are married, uh, holy matrimony and they are raising kids together yeah, that's the better.
Speaker 2:Put it better that way so um yes I think that is, uh, one of the aspects of understanding that life is only going to get more complex. Yeah, so responsibility to small things. As they grow, they become more fun, and I think that's kind of the third thought so about. It's like discipline and doing the things you have to do to do the things you want to do is a good thing like there.
Speaker 2:It's not absent. Of that I think, I think too often we um and don't get me wrong, I I love, uh, sometimes David Goggins what he can say as far as. Oh man David Goggins but you got to be careful with that, because I think that becomes the next extreme. It's like it is I can't do that, so I'm not a man, it's like.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, I know, just don't go into kidney failure Please. Please For the love of God.
Speaker 2:No, please, please, make a plan and execute that plan to to achieve that he he he has done it in his own way.
Speaker 1:I'll say that that's and that's on him, probably one, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:And to come back from some of those injuries he's had. Yeah, it's phenomenal, um, and it plays a part in mindset and I think that's important. But I think for the average person, getting to where you understand what the responsibilities are coming up is important, because the quicker you can flip on that switch that I need to get this task done and it'll take me less time to do it if I just buckle down and do it than to worry about it, because I think we try to multitask and that's a myth.
Speaker 2:I mean, we just don't multitask it and neurologically we don't we. We turn one task on and off, and so being a father is juggling multiple tasks but being very, very focused it is I need to look at the budget. I'm going to get the numbers right right now right, and then I'm going to go make dinner and the time I try to stir the pot and do the numbers will take me twice as long, and so understanding where episodes of fun is and where responsibility is is important and I think having children and being a father or having that goal in mind right helps with that.
Speaker 2:Um, the uh. The other side of that is is um, I think there's a not so much a generational thing, because this has been ongoing, but access to immediate dopamine surges. And that pornography is one of those Before you before you dive deeper into that I just want to let people know.
Speaker 1:he mentioned David Goggins. For those of you don't know, because everything's viral nowadays. So if you've heard the clip, who's Okay to Bolts and the Logs? If you've ever heard that clip, then that's David Goggins. He's the one that says you don't know me, son, if you take the time to look up David Goggins, if you don't know, that's the guy's name is. I just wanted to clarify that.
Speaker 2:His book you Can't Hurt Me is excellent Caveat. It's for adult audiences, but it gives some insight into where he is now, and so I think that is very, very helpful for people to understand how to take his message in a positive light. I guess I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1:Not to the full extreme. I should have explained no, no, you're good, just not to the full extreme. Yeah, if you know, you know.
Speaker 2:No, the tibial fractures, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So you talked about dopamine like pornography. Let's talk about that for just a second. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, man, you mentioned it. I just wanted to kind of bring that back up, get us back on the path there.
Speaker 2:So that's one thing. As far as family, like you talk about men being a father, understanding that there are pleasures in this world, things in this world that are good for us and that we enjoy, that take a long time to build. The only time you're going to get that euphoric flow state is when you've focused and anchored down on something for a while and committed to it and anchored down on something for a while, and committed to it when I see that deviating.
Speaker 2:A pretty obvious example is pornography. And as far as dopamine surgeon, neurochemically, what's that doing to men is creating a divergence of what it takes to get pleasure, and so what I mean by that is, in typical circumstances of what it takes to get pleasure, and so what I mean by that is in typical circumstances men have a drive to procreate, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 1:That's a human thing.
Speaker 2:So in that you get some good cologne, you get nice clothes on, you ask the girl to a dance, buy her flowers, you take her to a dinner, you have a good conversation, you have to engage if to listen right, then you can get the rewards from that.
Speaker 2:And in committing to what that is with and committing to what that is with pornography is like there is no human connection, no aspect of that.
Speaker 2:There is a tie to. If I want to gain something, that is a natural feeling that I've got to work my butt off and understand how I do this respectfully, how I do this kindly and how I honor what a gift is that God gave us and that we can interact with the opposite sex. And so that aspect of fatherhood is understanding that I love my children, but they know my wife comes first. You know that I chose her and you are a part of this. But hey, we're, we're here, you know like this is us. And so understanding how that that commitment is, and and and in fatherhood, how we cultivate our children to understand that there are no quick fixes to life, and and that's a good thing. If you don't sit down and chop that wood, you don't appreciate what that wood is Like what, that if you grow a garden, it tastes better. It tastes different because you know where it came from and what it is.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go ahead and say it. Man, you're going to go ahead and piss some women off because you said that they're like no, my kid, my baby comes first. So you can go ahead and you're gonna piss some people off.
Speaker 2:I can. I can already see that.
Speaker 1:No, nobody comes before my baby, so yeah, that.
Speaker 2:that that is and I think that that is a cultural thing too where I was deeply loved, like as a child I had a great, great upbringing. I'm super, super blessed, but there were instances where I knew I was to be quiet. There were some times where you need to go play downstairs and the adults are going to talk right now, and that helped me realize too, this is a priority because we're building something here, and so, yes, love your kids, but understand where that sits, because they yeah and I think, yeah, I'm gonna make some people mad, so sorry, man sorry so, yeah, love your kids, but I think there is a pedestal.
Speaker 2:We can put children on that. Then they don't understand I'm not first and when they get to that teenage years or 20s that is a big shock to go into an employment and be like well, I want Saturday off. No, I need you to work that day.
Speaker 1:What do you?
Speaker 2:mean I asked. Yeah, you asked, but I gave you an answer. Right, right, and I think there's a disconnect Like since I asked politely, I get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No, no, that's not how this whole system works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that is a thing, I think, as far as fatherhood and family, that understanding that the world is bigger than you and you are to treat it with kindness and treat it with a certain level of respect, and that goes for other people too. You're not the only one walking on this path here, right?
Speaker 1:Well, connor, man, I would love to keep going. Man, we are already over our time. Man, we've got an hour and we're already at 10.04. But we're going to have to do this again, man. Yeah, talk on. Talk about a lot of other subjects too, but definitely so. Anyway, man, we just kind of recap. You know, we talked a little bit about your background. You know what you do. You know we talked about different, you know neurological disorders, headaches, migraines, epilepsy, parkinson's disease. We touched on men's mental health, which is a broad, broad, broad, broad topic.
Speaker 2:This is one of five episodes, Probably man, I'm telling you it's a need.
Speaker 1:It is definitely a need in this day and age. But anyway, man, I do appreciate this time that you've given me. Man, this has been awesome. I'm glad to give it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, this has been fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, I appreciate you, Connor, and we'll look forward to doing this again, man.
Speaker 2:Definitely All right. Thanks, man, thank you.
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