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Beyond the Bedside: Reimagining Nursing Education for Today's Students
Amanda Shatwell shares her journey from EMT to Emergency Room nurse to LPN Program Coordinator at Southern Tech, exploring how nursing education has evolved to meet today's student needs through hybrid learning models. Her perspective challenges the notion that all nurses must be naturally nurturing, highlighting how different personality types can thrive in various nursing specialties while offering practical advice for avoiding burnout.
• Southern Tech's LPN program achieves remarkable 95-100% pass rates through innovative hybrid learning approaches
• Flexibility with accountability helps working parents succeed in nursing education
• Emergency Room experience provides valuable perspective that makes other nursing specialties seem less stressful
• Nursing offers job security, career advancement, and financial stability regardless of economic conditions
• Not all nurses are natural nurturers - logical thinkers often excel in emergency settings
• Combating nurse burnout requires strong support systems and willingness to explore different specialties
• Modern nursing education now includes specific training on interpersonal communication and civility
• Starting in high-pressure environments like ER or ICU can be ideal for new graduates
For information about Southern Tech's LPN program, visit SOTECedu or search for "LPN program Southern Tech" to access their information packet and contact details.
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Just as a reminder. If you like the content, please like comment'm doing well Good. So I read a little bit about you. You can correct me if I'm wrong. Okay, so you're a former EMT. You've been an RN in the emergency department. You're currently an LPN coordinator. You've been an RN clinical instructor, is that right? Okay, all right, you got your master's in physiology, educational physiology, psychology, psychology. Thank you From OU, is that correct, mm-hmm? And you got your master's elsewhere as well.
Speaker 2:Yes, in nursing education.
Speaker 1:Nursing education Mm-hmm. All right, excellent. So just starting out, what's your favorite nursing specialty and why?
Speaker 2:Well, obviously, obviously the ER. Okay, I honestly didn't explore outside of ER that much just because my background was in EMT and you're in the ER, those are your people and you connect with them. And I went from the same in the hospital, the same service that I worked on the ambulance for. I just went over to their emergency room and, and it was just a natural fit, I did a little bit of a stint in the ICU, but Interesting ER was my spot Interesting, um.
Speaker 1:So what? What about the ICU? What about? He was kind of like I'm not really sure about that Like what was it about the ICU?
Speaker 2:personally. I mean really, and this isn't any discredit to the people that I worked out with, it was just, you know, there's a vibe, true.
Speaker 2:Right, like there's just the people that you work with. That uh and and really the pace, like I, I like to be able to have a problem fix it and then move on to the next thing. Right, have a problem fix it and move on to the next thing. That doesn't happen in the ICU. I mean, there's, there's problems that come up, but it's the same patient and and I think it was just because I spent so much time in that mode in EMS to like onto the next person and moving them on. That like having that same patient. Okay, I'm ready for you to be fixed now and move forward. So that was and and it was also really hard too, because you because in the ER you get ICU holds, you do.
Speaker 2:So you have to be an ICU nurse and an ER nurse, and that was so difficult.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, so currently you are a program director.
Speaker 2:Well program coordinator.
Speaker 1:In the world of career tech.
Speaker 2:They call it director, but here we call it coordinator.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what's the difference between so is there any difference between those two? Coordinator? In the world of career tech they call it director, but here we call it coordinator, okay, so what's the difference?
Speaker 2:between like so is there any difference between those two? Director and well, for here, for Southern Tech, I can talk about Southern Tech. Okay, at Southern Tech direct program directors. It's just a different level they have. They're over multiple programs typically and for the coordinator you have one. It's just a smaller group of people and it's more specific. So I am just over our adult LPM program rather than like all of health.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay. And you've been in that role for how many years now?
Speaker 2:I'm starting 2022. So I'm starting my third year, okay. Okay, and you've been in that role for how many years? Now I'm starting 2022. So I'm starting my third year, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, so each year is it getting easier. Don't say easier. Hey, I have to throw it out there.
Speaker 2:I have to throw it out there. I mean, you know, you start to find a rhythm Like this is probably the first time that I felt like, okay, so we're just going to copy and paste last year on certain things, but that's whenever you want to do well, whenever you want to do a good job. Typically it's not going to be the same, because at the end of every school year we all get together and go okay, what worked, what didn't, what are we going to change? And and so no, two years are the same, but it is. I'm kind of starting starting to find a groove.
Speaker 1:Starting to find a groove. That is very important. So I saw on the Southern Tech website 95% pass rate, first time pass rate.
Speaker 2:For our last year's cohort, yes, 95%, but so far, for the class that just graduated, we're sitting at 100%, and we have three students left to take. I'm very confident in their abilities, but so far we're sitting at 100%. How?
Speaker 1:does that make you feel?
Speaker 2:Really good. You never know you do everything that you can for the students, everything you possibly can, but it's up to them, right? You send them off, right, it's their thing, and know it's up to them, right, you know you send them off and it's it's their thing and you just hope you did everything that you possibly could and uh, but yeah, it's and it. You know we we've recently changed our curriculum too, so, um, it helps us kind of validate, okay, those changes that we made.
Speaker 1:It's working okay, validate the changes I would. I would assume they would take a great team to make that.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah oh yeah, this wasn't me. It was not me. I just, I just try to keep it all together it's definitely the team, which our instructors are amazing okay, that's awesome man.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm happy to be a part of this as well. I mean, of course, I'm looking from a distance, right part of a different um department, but it's still kind of the same oh yeah full-time health compared to short-term health and it all feeds each other.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes, so that itself is pretty awesome. So is there any challenges that you face being a coordinator, so to speak, rather than a program director? Like, do you face, like the challenges kind of vary year by year, or is it kind of consistent, like you know, like, oh, I faced the same challenges throughout.
Speaker 2:Well, like, we definitely see patterns and we try not to like knee jerk, react to things that like, oh, this is a problem, well, that might just be for that group, right, right. And so we try to track and trend and see and like, if we're seeing that being a consistent pattern, then okay, we need to. This is something, that's a thing.
Speaker 2:Because, each cohort is so different the personalities they each have their own thing, and so you try, but like, for example, one thing that we really started to see was a trend was we used to track attendance weekly Right, and so if a student, like most of our students, are working mothers, if not working single mothers, and so all it takes is the flu to come through and one kid's got it, then the next kid's got it, then the caretaker's got it.
Speaker 2:And we're a hybrid program, so they really have to come in here and they have to clock in hours. That's a hit, and that's a hard hit for them to make up for. And so I started that see a problem, and not just missing hours but the stress of it. And so we we made a shift in our attendance policy. They're still accountable for the same amount of hours, but we're more flexible. They get to accumulate those hours rather than it just be weekly. It gets to build up, and so that allows them to be able to have a bad week. It's okay, but they have to know when I'm having a good week, I need to take advantage of it.
Speaker 1:You need to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2:yes, Right and they learn that, and they still have ones that have their struggles, but it's definitely better and we've got a lot of really good feedback on this. So that's an example of like something that we would see a problem and adjust.
Speaker 1:I like that you said hybrid program, so for some people who may not understand what you mean about that, can you expound on that?
Speaker 2:So we don't. Our students don't come in. So a traditional format would be that they come in Monday through Friday, They've got lecture and they sit through lecture and then they take a test. Our students they have one review session. It's not a lecture, it's a review session. Um, all of our content is available to them online and so the idea is that they do some studying and then they have kind of a check in with us.
Speaker 2:Their review session and our review sessions. There's a little bit of traditional, like they'll do a PowerPoint or whatever, but most of it is um is activities. It's like taking that stuff that you learned, Okay, Now we're going to apply it and do something with it to make sure it's sticking and to make sure you're on track where you need to be, and that's once a week. And then, um, on Friday they test. Now in between that, and I said they they accumulate hours, they come in and they clock in and this is their study space, so they're clocking in to study outside of that review session. They've got this library, They've got a couple of classrooms they can go into. We kind of help them organize some study groups and teach them academic skills like effective ways to study and they implement that while they're here and so it's more it's we do have.
Speaker 2:They're going through the program at the same time, but half of it's most you know, half of it it's online and there's some of it that's in person. It's enough flexibility because we found over time that students they need a lot of flexibility because they have to work and they've got kids, especially our clientele but when you let it to free, you don't do it. I mean one the things that I studied whenever I was in school was specifically online learning, um and and the rate of passing of like course RA and all these things. You know that you sign up for how many finishes those like the pass rate is abysmal, like it's uh, because you need that accountability. And so how do we give them accountability with flexibility? And the other thing is we saw that they didn't understand that Like they came in Great, this is flexible, this is great, right, but they expected the same like Monday through Friday lecture kind of thing. So we really had to do a lot of work to teach them how to learn in that, in that environment. Ok.
Speaker 1:It's kind of funny because, like when I went to LPN school, I went to a career tech that we were traditional, it was it was Monday through Friday, there was no flexibility, it wasn't anything and it was an 11 month program and we went all the way straight through. And so I can imagine especially and that was 11 years ago, 11 years ago for my younger audience.
Speaker 1:And looking back now, like seeing how you know kind of where we are economy wise, and I would think there's more single mothers now than it was back then, and so programs like this I think kind of more so meet today's needs, more so than the traditional route, not saying that the traditional route is bad Right.
Speaker 2:Some people need that too yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean for me. When I went, I was young, I didn't have no kids, I was single, and so I could commit myself for the whole 11 months. But of course I know people who had full-time families and it was more of a struggle for them because it was the traditional route no flexibility, no anything.
Speaker 2:I think this allows a whole new group of people.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That wouldn't otherwise have been able to.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. So I feel like, if I mean, I just feel like it kind of meets today's needs more, that's what we're trying to do that's the first step is a task analysis and like, okay, what are we trying to do?
Speaker 2:yes who are the people, who are our people, yes, and and what are their struggles and what are their strengths and how can we make this work? Because our community needs nurses yes, and so yes, we do so you find those friction points and you just try to smooth them out the best you can.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it's kind of interesting. So what are some things that influenced you to get into nursing?
Speaker 2:Into nursing in the first place.
Speaker 1:Just in the first place. How did you get influenced coming into?
Speaker 2:nursing Well, because I needed a J-O-B.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And I knew the kind of lifestyle I wanted.
Speaker 2:I knew what I wanted to be able to provide for my family, and I knew about what that that was going to cost, and I knew what I needed to make. But I also thought, okay, what's the job that's going to be the most secure Like whenever the poo hits the fan in society what's the job that's still going to be needed? I was a personal trainer at the time. Whenever I was trying to decide these things and that was my fear on personal training was like, well, what happens whenever things go south? Because, for whatever reason, I felt like that was going to happen, and so I wanted something that, no matter what like and nursing, was the perfect fit. And I also was a personal trainer, but I had also been working as an EMT, and so the natural progression is either paramedic or nursing. And so, paramedic it was great, I loved working on the truck and I think I would have enjoyed it, but you kind of max out as far as pay-wise, and then also not just pay, but what's available to you past that.
Speaker 2:There's just way more in nursing, and so that's what pushed me towards nursing. I always felt bad, and actually had a teacher make me feel bad once, um, that I didn't have like this natural calling to be a nurse, um, and she was because we had to go around the room and say why we were nurses right, and they were like. You know, my mother was a nurse. Or you know, I saw the nurses taking care of my grandparents. And you know when I said I saw the nurses taking care of my grandparents.
Speaker 2:And you know when I said, like I want to take care of my family, like I need to, you know, and the, the, the instructor said well, if you, if money is your only motivation, you're not going to make it that far and and I can tell you that I've watched people who it's their passion and that they've wanted to burn out real quick and being, you know, providing for your family's pretty good motivator, and it's got me through pretty well, but you know also, at the end of the day you can look. But that was the other thing about like choosing a profession was like can I look back at what I did and did I leave things better than I found it Like I contributed to society and so that's how I ended up in nursing.
Speaker 1:Interesting.
Speaker 2:I'm not a nurturer by nature. Like it's not, that's not a thing. So, for any of your viewers or listeners like you don't have to be that person. You don't have to be that person you don't have to be that you don't have to be that person.
Speaker 2:Most of the people in the emergency room weren't like you know those um those personality quizzes yes like the colors yes um, we were all I think green, okay, and I think that was like I could be wrong on this, but it was the one that was like I could be wrong on this, but it was the one that was like, you know, like it needs to be logical.
Speaker 1:Yes, I believe that's correct.
Speaker 2:And what's funny is our respiratory therapists were all blues, which was what you would think a nurse would be like nurturing that person. So anyway, it takes all kinds. It does take all kinds.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It's kind of interesting because you know, just thinking back in nursing school, where of course you know I've got people go around one by one, can you tell us the reason you got into nursing and tell your story? And mine was literally like I thought I was on track to be a physical therapist.
Speaker 2:Like that was my first major, it was not nursing.
Speaker 1:And at the time I live with my grandparents and I have a grandfather that's a retired sergeant major in army and he was also a retired RN at the time. And then I live, my grandmother, who was a retired LPN at the time, and so just the two of them kept talking like, are you sure you don't want to go into nursing, are you sure you want to go into nursing? Because I was like, well, I do, I want to do something that helps people. And then I think the changing moment for me, literally, my grandfather like brought like an old paste up and he was like you can make this right here right and I was like, okay, that's not so bad, okay, hold up.
Speaker 1:And then so I changed my major not too long after that, and and then I just pretty much stuck with it. I never thought I'd be in a situation I am right now. Yeah, you know what I'm saying I'm sure you didn't think like, oh, I'm going to be a coordinator, no, I'm going to be an LPN coordinator. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But what's even funnier is so I came here in high school. Whenever you're a sophomore, you know you come here, and at the time they did the little test.
Speaker 1:Yes, I remember drawing lines.
Speaker 2:I don't remember what the test was or what it meant, but anyway they gave the printout of what it was and the very top was nurse and my response was ew Right, because you think like where can we think what a nurse is?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, of course it, yeah, of course, like you like cleaning people like and uh.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I think you know working as an emt and seeing the er nurses do what the nurses do like oh, okay, well, it's not too terrible. I think you might be able to do that, yes, but anyway. Yeah, there was a point where I thought, like these, these people are really smart. I don't know if I could really do that.
Speaker 1:You are right about that.
Speaker 2:Yes, they are yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, clinicals. My first clinical experience with emergency room nurses really opened up my eyes. I'm like am I prepared for this? Am I sure I want to do this? But yeah, so I definitely feel you there. So what? What advice would you give to people who are considering nursing? You know, maybe somebody's thinking on the fence. They're like you know, should I do nursing? Should I turn my application in? Like, what would you say to those individuals?
Speaker 2:experience and given the parameters I had on the profession, it fit all the things Like. It's provided well for my family. Things did hit the fan and it's still needed and needed even more.
Speaker 2:You can actually make even more money now. There are loads of opportunities, like I said, like bedside, I really knew from the beginning I wasn't necessarily going to be bedside the whole time, but I had to put my time in and I needed to learn as much as I could and and plus, you don't know, you have no idea how things are going to work and don't think you do know how things are going to work and um, so like it, it, it met those things and I was able to progress. Um, but I will say whenever I even younger, because there were a whole lot of other options before I got to EMT and personal trainer.
Speaker 2:There was a whole list of things that I wanted to do and at one point it was firefighter and my uncle, who's a firefighter, said, okay, get your EMT. And he said, worst case scenario, you've got these really awesome skills that can serve you in life anyway. So I mean it's worth you know. If you're on the fence and you're thinking about it, go get a job in a hospital or in a nursing home, even like custodians, like whatever, that's true.
Speaker 2:Get in the building and see it, because you won't know really what the day-to-day life of it is until you're in it. If you think, oh, er would be super cool, hey, there's entry-level jobs that can get you in the emergency room. So, yeah, that would be my advice Interesting.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guess, to kind of piggyback on that. I would definitely say that volunteer work is very important. Oh yeah, shadow work is very important. If you are on the fence, you're not sure maybe you've seen some stuff Grey's Anatomy maybe and you're not exactly sure. I would definitely call a local facility and ask if they do any type of shadow work whatsoever. See what they do, get your feet wet, get your name out there and you never know where it could lead, right? So I would definitely say do some shadow work for sure, for sure. I do want to talk about the direction of healthcare. I feel like this is something not necessarily new to a lot of people, but it's something that still needs to be talked about. Nurse burnout nursing burnout.
Speaker 1:A lot of nurses burn out within the first five three to five years. It'd run out pretty quickly. Why do you think burnout for nurses is such a big deal? Why is that a thing right now?
Speaker 2:Because people's lives are literally in your hands and it's heavy. It's a heavy load to carry and you know you think about if you were to carry around you know a boulder right, it's going to wear you out faster and unless you know how to carry that efficiently and effectively and how to share that load and how to manage that, it's just so much to carry on and you can and knowing who you are and how you process and maybe your empathy is great, but empaths take on a lot.
Speaker 1:They do.
Speaker 2:And if you don't know how to process that like observe, not absorb it can get hard and it just takes too much. It's not what humans are built to do. It's not natural for us to carry that much in this way. The system is set up. Whenever you're working shorthanded and you've got too many people and you're just constantly drowning. We're not meant to constantly drown and it's just too much on our systems and our mental health to be able to think that we can function that way. I think that that's why in the ER, whether it's good or bad, we learn to disassociate so much just because you would drown even faster.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, oh yes.
Speaker 2:And I would imagine it would be the same in like hospice and things like that, where it's just so intense that if we disassociate and you know dark humor and or you know, maybe we don't come across as nurturing or you know as as others might. Don't say Because we have to like, hey, what's the next job? But it's, some of it is just to survive.
Speaker 1:So I agree. What's some ways that people can avoid burnout?
Speaker 2:I mean I can, I can really just speak from personal experience. But you know, I was fortunate to have my spouse's also. He's a firefighter paramedic and so he gets it and so you can talk about those things and like, especially in the ER and in EMS we were able to.
Speaker 1:I can tell him those stories and it's not going to freak him out, right? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So not that your spouse has to, you know, but having somebody in your life that you can tell those stories to, that you can offload that that they're not going to, you know, crumble under the pressure of it or think that you're crazy Having that so a support system.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And we see the same for nursing students too.
Speaker 1:Yes, Completely agree with that. Definitely having some type of support system definitely helps, Because a lot of times I mean this is my personal experience A lot of nurses that go through those hard times together, they typically group themselves up together know, oh yeah, they hang out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it's just, it's a bond, yes, and so you hang out together. You know you have your group that you may vent to to get the stuff off your chest, or you may have a group that you may debrief with, which that is so important and that helps as well. I would also say to people as well if a particular specialty is wearing you down, switch Before you just completely get out of nursing. I want people to know if you are a person that's on the edge, like I'm not sure if I want to do this anymore, you are valued Absolutely.
Speaker 2:You are truly valued.
Speaker 1:You are loved and you are valued and also you may be better suited in another specialty. Okay, so you did emergency room, you know, maybe med surgery thing, If not, maybe ICU or maybe a clinic setting, or I mean there's so many different avenues of nursing now.
Speaker 2:Plus, you put so much time in. That would be the hard part for me it mean there's so many different avenues of nursing now. Plus, you put so much time in. Yes, that would be the hard part for me. It's like you put so much time and effort into that license that you have, like don't let it all go to nothing. And there's so many skills that can be applied to so many different things and, like you said, like there's a need, there's a need. So, yeah, that's, that's great, that's a great point.
Speaker 1:There's definitely a need, and I know some nurses that you know they've been in emergency room four or five years, whatever, and they're like well, that's all I know.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, there's a comfort level. There is a comfort level, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm like maybe all you know, but have you tried something else? I'm sure you have too. Over the years have had hard conversations with coworkers that may be like I don't know if nursing is for me anymore.
Speaker 1:I don't know the grind is too much or whatever, and I've tried to tell them over the years you do not have to stay in this specialty. We understand You're not a coward. If you decide to go somewhere else, we won't think any less of you, because we understand, like, how dire nursing is right now. Yeah, it feels like I don't know if you feel this way, but nursing feels like it's getting more advanced, like you know, in terms of. You know disease processes, technology, treatments you know, of course insurance is its own thing, treatments you know, of course insurance is its own thing. And but you know, in terms of the bodies?
Speaker 2:it's not meeting.
Speaker 1:You know we're not meeting that. No, as well. I don't know if you feel that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, it's the responsibilities you're expected to to take on it just keeps going up and up and up in each, in each level, lpns are doing things that ls didn't do before. So, yeah, it constantly is advancing but we don't have the support to actually to do that, to feel safe taking on that level of responsibility.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:One thing that I've always advised students is that the ICU and the ER can be intimidating, but it's the perfect place to start. True, because nobody expects much of you because you're a student. I mean because you're a new grad.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And so it's okay for you to not know things, and so you go into those and you learn so much you do and you've been in really intense situations so, okay, it's time to change. Everything else doesn't feel quite as intense.
Speaker 2:I say everything, ob, I don't, I can't even speak to that I'm not even gonna try, like that's a whole nother I agree there you know what I mean like like like here now, like, yeah, okay, things are, but did anybody die today? Yes, under my watch as LPN coordinator. No, so, and just kind of as perspective sometimes for some students that might be hesitant. Oh, it's kind of intimidating. Just start there, Because everything after that it just makes it easier.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and I completely agree with that. You know, because the direction of healthcare, in terms of where it's going, I mean, I think students it was my own perception you know they're gaining more knowledge. They are, you know. I feel like they're going to be great, but I also feel like you know, as the generations start to change. You know, gen X, millennials as the generations start to change, Gen X.
Speaker 1:Millennials, gen Z, that personal one-on-one care. They're starting to become more of a gap, and it's because we're becoming more of a technological society. And so how do we kind of bridge that gap of that bedside manner and how do we get back to being personal with our patients? Pretty much, they're not a phone. They're not a phone, they're not a tablet, right.
Speaker 2:For our students. Sometimes we just have to push them Like I'm sorry you're going to have to talk to this person, and like they're not comfortable and, yes, like you can definitely see the disconnect. But you know we say that. But I truly feel like the pendulum's going to come back, because I look at my kid, my youngest. She could talk to that wall, like, I mean, she can talk to anybody, she can make a conversation with anybody and her friends like and how they interact, yeah, there's a lot here. Um, I think the empathy part of it might be something to that. That you know, seeing things from other people's shoes and and being under being able to understand other people's perspectives and not judging too quickly Um, I think those are lessons that we constantly have to.
Speaker 2:Um, we have to try to help them with. But as far as like bridging that gap for for to get people to interact a little bit better, um, I do see nurses sometimes like get lost in the computer, like as we're typing okay, I'm going to take this assessment um. So we try to push as students. They don't really get to do that because they're not in the system and so they have to stand there and they have to talk to them. That is definitely something that we try to to instill in them and we have whole, like our, our curriculum.
Speaker 2:The one of the curriculum pieces that we use has whole units specifically dedicated to civility. Like that's the point that we're at. Like it has their own unit to be able how to speak to people, how to deal with, you know, disagreements and things like that amongst their peers in school and then during clinical and then whenever they graduate. So like they're getting it, Like it's built into textbooks and built into curriculum now. So we have the pieces there. It's just really holding them accountable to it and not letting them squirm out of it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so okay.
Speaker 2:And you're just going to have better patient outcomes.
Speaker 1:Right, Right. Well, Amanda, I would love to keep you more. We're going to. We're going to have to stop it here. But if somebody had questions about the LPN program or just stuff like that, who can they reach out to?
Speaker 2:So the best way to start would be SOTECedu, okay, and you can Google LPN program, southern Tech, and that will take you actually straight to our site, and we have a whole information packet. We have that website. It's got lots of resources, and then if you're like, you know what, I just want to talk to somebody, that's where you're going to find the phone number too, okay.
Speaker 1:All right, awesome, amanda, I appreciate your time.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me, this was fun.
Speaker 1:All right family. This is your Wakanda RN with Ms Amanda Shatwell. I appreciate you guys being here. I love you guys and we're out.
