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The Weight We were Never Meant to Carry with Catherine Clift
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What if the biggest thing holding you back isn't your circumstances... but what you've been carrying for years?
This week, we sit down with transformational coach and emotional release practitioner Catherine Clift for a conversation about fear, self-worth, limiting beliefs, and the emotional weight we often mistake for our identity.
We explore why so many of us stay stuck, how childhood beliefs quietly shape our adult lives, the surprising connection between worthiness and money, and why true transformation often begins not by adding something new—but by learning to let go.
If you've ever felt overwhelmed, disconnected, or like you're carrying more than you were meant to, this conversation offers a thoughtful reminder that healing doesn't always start with doing more. Sometimes it starts with releasing what no longer serves you.
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Sometimes we spend so much of our lives trying to become someone better or new that we forget to kind of look behind us and ask ourselves a simple question. What are we still carrying? Maybe it's a belief someone handed us when we were kids. Maybe it's the need to prove ourselves. Maybe it's shame. Fear. The pressure to always have the answers. Or maybe it's a version of ourselves that helped us survive once a long time ago. But is quietly keeping us from living now. Because here's the truth growth isn't always about adding more. Sometimes it's about releasing what was really never ours to carry in the first place. And speaking from experience, that is not easy. Letting go can feel terrifying because, well, even our pain can become familiar. We grip it so tightly that eventually we mistake it for who we are. But what if freedom isn't found in holding on for just a little longer? What if it's found in finally opening our hand? My name's Dan Bradley, and this is Brave and the Bright Side. John Ralphio is in the studio with me as we speak. Uh single-handedly destroying that. Please don't knock that off the shelf. No. Okay. Well, alright. Thank you. Didn't really want that there anyway. If you're here in America, uh then you know it's officially summertime. We're right in the thick of it. Temperatures here in Philly reaching about, I don't know, 100 degrees. It's pretty cool the way that works out. Uh Phillies are sitting just a couple games out of first place. So, you know, my emotional stability continues to be directly tied to nine grown men chasing a baseball round for about three hours. Boy howdy, my favorite time of the year. John Ralphio is now readjusting the curtains. Yep, right there's fine. Two holes is perfect. Thanks, buddy. Listen, if you're out there in the world, especially in the summertime in America, stay cool, stay hydrated. Well, I've got you here. Let's kick things off with a very special edition of the Feel Good News segment, shall we? In the honor of the 4th of July, America's 250th, this one is all about America's history. Think of it as a history textbook from Florida or Texas, where America has never done anything wrong, has always been the hero, and absolutely nobody asks any follow-up questions. So let's get into the eight feel-good news segments of America's past. Alrighty then. America, number one, the world's first national park. In 1872, America created Yellowstone National Park, the first national park anywhere on Earth. Instead of selling off one of the most beautiful places on the planet, the country chose to preserve it for everyone forever. Today, more than 100 countries have followed that example by creating their own national parks. A single decision in the American West changed conservation across the globe. Man, these uh somehow feel outdated. For generations, parents feared summertime because polio outbreaks could leave children permanently paralyzed. Then in 1955, Jonas Salk introduced a safe vaccine. When asked who owned the patent, he famously replied, Could you patent the sun? The vaccine was never patent for profit. Did you hear that? Never patent for profit, the vaccine that everybody took, allowing it to spread rapidly around the world and save millions of lives. Boy howdy. Number three, the moon landing. On July 20th, 1969, NASA accomplished what once sounded impossible. Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first humans to walk on the moon, watched by an estimated 600 million people worldwide. It wasn't just an American achievement. It expanded humanity's sense of what was possible. Even today, that moment inspires scientists, engineers, and dreamers around the globe. Market number four, the world's biggest library. The Library of Congress is the largest library on Earth, housing more than 180 million books, photographs, maps, recordings, and manuscripts. It exists so knowledge can be preserved and shared, not just for Americans, but for researchers around the world. America's national parks belong to everyone. They belong to everyone. Just gonna read that one more time. The United States now protects more than 400 sites through the National Park Service, from battlefields and monuments to forest and deserts. I knew I was gonna mess that up. Sorry about that, everybody. I mean, then I hope they're protecting deserts as well, but deserts. Millions of people visit these places every year to learn, reflect, and enjoy nature. They're often called, they're often called America's best idea because they're owned by everyone, not just a privileged few. America number six. The right to vote expanded over time. American democracy has steadily grown more inclusive. The 19th amendment to the United States Constitution guaranteed women the right to vote. And later, legislation such as the Voting Rights Act of 1965 strengthened protections against racial discrimination at the ballot box. While the journey wasn't perfect, boy howdy was it not perfect. Each generation pushed the country closer to its founding ideal that government should reflect the voice of all its citizens. All of its citizens. All right. Mercu number seven, the gift of public lands. Nearly one-third of the land in the United States is publicly owned, meaning families can hike it, camp on it, fish it, hunt it, or simply enjoy its beauty. Millions of acres have been preserved so future generations, not just the current one, can experience America's mountains, forests, deserts, rivers, and coastlines. And marca number eight, the American spirit of reinvention. Perhaps America's greatest success story isn't one event at all. Over 250 years, people from every corner of the world have come here seeking opportunity. Scientists, artists, entrepreneurs, teachers, soldiers, nurses, mechanics, chefs, countless others have helped shape the country into something constantly evolving. America's history includes triumphs, mistakes, breakthroughs, and course corrections. But one thread has remained remarkably consistent: the belief that tomorrow can be better than today. And that is uh that's something to hold on to for sure. Um the belief that tomorrow can be better than today. And that's your 4th of July edition of the Feel Good News segment. Happy 250th birthday, America. Like every family member, our story has had its highs and highs and lowest of lows. But it's also been filled with courage, intervention, perseverance, and ordinary people doing extraordinary things. So, God willing, here's to the next 250 years. Happy Independence Day, Brightsiders. All right, let's switch gears to our upcoming interview, shall we? Today's guest is an entrepreneur, transformational coach, and emotional release practitioner, Catherine Clift. Through her work, Catherine helps people uncover the subconscious beliefs that shape the way they think, feel, and move through life. Together we explore everything from self-worth and money mindsets to healing, entrepreneurship, and why so many of us unknowingly carry emotional baggage that no longer belongs in the next chapter of our lives. I think you'll find yourself asking a few questions you've probably never asked before. So, without further ado, here's my conversation with Catherine Clift. Today's guest is an entrepreneur, transformational coach, and emotional release practitioner, Catherine Clift. Through her work, Catherine helps people break free from limiting beliefs, emotional weight, and the patterns that keep them stuck from becoming who they're meant to be. Her story is one rooted not just in personal growth, but in learning how to truly let go of fear, shame, self-image struggles, and the pressure to constantly perform for the world around us. In this conversation, we dive into healing, identity, confidence, entrepreneurship, emotional resilience, and what it actually means to create a life that feels aligned instead of just impressive from the outside. Without further ado, Catherine, how are you?
SPEAKER_01I am fabulous. Thank you, Daniel.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um where are you where are you tuning in from? Where where are you in the world?
SPEAKER_01I am in Avon, Indiana, just west of Indianapolis. We just had the Indianapolis 500 on uh Sunday before Memorial Day. So that is now over.
SPEAKER_02Oh imagine it's kind of a big deal over there.
SPEAKER_01The greatest spectacle in racing. I know. I have never been to, I mean, I went to a practice one year, but I have never been to the actual race.
SPEAKER_02Interesting. Oh, very cool. So you still have never been to a race?
SPEAKER_01I've never been to a race.
SPEAKER_02Wow. Okay. Um, it's actually impressive. Someday I'd like to check that out at some point in time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. 300,000 300,000 fans uh comes into Indianapolis.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's actually seems intense. Maybe not. Maybe I won't check that. That seems like a lot of people. I don't know. I'll take it back. TV's fine. Um, all right. Well, listen, let's jump right in. For someone discovering you for the very first time, how would you describe what you do and uh who you help?
SPEAKER_01Sure. Well, I am a well-being guide and motivational speaker, and I help my clients uncover and clear the blocks that keep them stuck from reaching their potential and achieving their goals. I particularly focus on subconscious money blocks and worthiness issues. And for entrepreneurs, subconscious money blocks can really resonate with them because typically it's all very subconscious, it's a mindset. So if you're in a job, typically you won't be triggered by subconscious money blocks. It's only if you ask for a raise it's going to come to the surface. Or again, if you start your own business. Because what so many people don't realize is the mind's job is to keep you safe. It doesn't care if you thrive, it wants you to survive. And when you start your own business, the mind basically comes up with a lot of self-doubt, like you've never done this before. Who do you think you are? You're going to fail. It's like, it's basically getting out of your comfort zone because everybody has a subconscious wealth set point. And you won't know what it is, you really won't know what that is until you get out of your comfort zone. And as I said, there's two basic uh situations where you will do that as far as money. And one is ask for a raise in your job or start a business.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, I can attest to that. I'm wildly uh, especially when it comes to money, right? I'm kind of always icky around it. And also when you're trying to launch framing the bright side of the needs.
SPEAKER_01I'm sorry to interrupt you. What I find is, Daniel, that women coaches and holistic entrepreneurs have a tendency to undercharge for their services. It's almost like they have the attitude, well, I want to help as many people as I can. You know, I don't want to have to charge too much that they can't afford me. But what they don't realize is they are undervaluing themselves by doing so. And so many of them will not succeed because of that.
SPEAKER_02Interesting. Um, well, before we move forward all that, let's talk about who you are, Catherine, and where you're coming from. Um, before becoming a coach and an entrepreneur, who were you uh like emotionally and mentally? Were who were you before?
SPEAKER_01Believe it or not, for the for 25 years, I was in a call center, basically. I mean, I was one of their top salespeople, but it's like um, you know, it's like it wasn't fulfilling. Uh it was very stressful, actually. I mean, you know, I worked uh I worked at RCI, which is the largest timeshare exchange company in the world. They have wonderful benefits, they really do. But I mean, unlike most sales jobs, every Monday you start with a clean slate. You have to start your production every Monday. So it's like if you have a bad Monday, it basically destroys your whole week. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02No matter how far you make it by Sunday, by that Monday, you're starting to press no matter what.
SPEAKER_01And it's like, you know, it got to be so stressful that almost I felt like there was a it got so stressful that I developed shingles in the last month that I was there. And that was my wake-up call to say I need to get out. I need I need to do something different.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, that was gonna be my next question was what was the defining moment and literally wrote wake-up call that pushed you towards the work that you do today? And I imagine that stress and weight physically shows up.
SPEAKER_01I mean, that's kind of interesting because of course it's the Sedona method. And of course, it it is so powerful. I mean, it's transformed my life in that sense. It it helped me let go of RCI, actually. But anyway, um, but it basically the the tipping point was my disillusionment with the Catholic Church. I mean, I grew up as a cradle Catholic, and I, you know, and breaking a rule is something that I find that I can't do very easily. So, you know, the Catholic Church is very good on rules. So we got to the point where we had this Catholic priest or pastor who was extremely conservative and very judgmental, and I got very disillusioned with him, and I thought, I need to find something else. So I don't know how it actually was, but I actually started getting self a lot of self-help personal growth material from Nightingale Connet in um from I think it was from St. Louis that they were local that they were based in. And I happened to get a flyer um from the Course in Miracles with me because it said the opposite of love is not hate, it's fear. And that really resonated with me. And I, you know, I ordered the Course in Miracles and I really delved into it, and I thought, well, this is my key to happiness in this life, and I don't need to do anything else. And I happened to find a support group or discussion group of a Course in Miracles, and and it it was the same time that I was kind of disillusioned with the Catholic Church, and they told me about a night. And this was probably um, I'm trying to think. I think it was probably in 2000 and I know it was 2014 or two or 2015. But anyway, when I went to an advanced retreat in Sedona, I discovered, you know, I asked one of the participants, just off of the top of my head, I said, What do you do? And she said, I'm a life coach. Well, I had never heard of a life coach. And I said, Tell me more. So she just told me what she did as a life coach. And I and I knew she was describing my dream job. And I was like, I kind of looked at her and I go, and people pay you to do that? And she said, Yes. And so when I got home from the retreat, what I didn't realize was that Hale, the facilitator, was an affiliate of a lady called Christy Whitman, who was doing a life coach program on the law of attraction. So I was fascinated with that. So I enrolled in that and I got certified in the law of attraction. But I thought, uh, it's kind of a little too woo-woo. I can't really, I can't, I can't, I can't really market that. I can't see, I can't really promote that as a coach. And so the facilitator of that program also was a hypnotherapist. And I was fascinated with hypnotherapy. So I got certified in hypnotherapy. But again, it's fairly woo-woo. Most people have never, you know, don't know about hypnotherapy. It's not that practical, they so to speak. And I thought, oh, I didn't, I just didn't have the compromise that either.
SPEAKER_02It's hard for people to believe in it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you gotta find the right people.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, then I found um Margaret Lynch Rainier, who did tapping into wealth as far as your money blocks. And of course I have money blocks and still probably do. And I thought this was gonna separate me from all the life coaches. So it was a fan, I mean, she had, I mean, I loved it because she had like eight complete modules where you could just, it was kind of like a coach in the box, kind of like, you know, like business in a box. This was coaching in a box. I mean, every module had scripts to it, it had everything. So it was like, this is a no-brainer. So yeah, I got served in that. And I delved into it. The more, of course, I realized it's like it's really not about money. It's about worthiness. It's about your subconscious beliefs, it's about worthiness issues. It goes back to your childhood. Like you learn, it's like, what did your parents believe about money? What did your parents believe about rich people? And what you do is you you basically you sub you basically suppress those beliefs into your subconscious, and they start playing when you when you when you try to earn money. Um when you try to break through that well set point, that's when the the subconscious wakes up and says, Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. You know, you're not at that level. You've never been at that level. So, you know, that's where it comes from.
SPEAKER_02Right. Interesting. Like it almost wakes up and calls you like imposter syndrome. Like, you're not supposed to be here, you're not supposed to be looking at all this.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_02Um I think it's interesting. You, you know, you speak of um, you know, insecurities and fears that you have to work through. Um, you know, I feel like when people see entrepreneurs, you know, they see confidence. You know, there's like there's a certain entrepreneur out there. They see confidence in there. What insecurities and fears do you have to work through behind the scenes? You know, anything you had to let go in order to get to the next level.
SPEAKER_01I I think I still have this fear of running out of money, even though I'm pretty well financially set now. It's like I have this belief that in order to feel value, I have to be making money. I can't just, you know, I can't just take it from my retirement account. It's like it's I don't know where that I I don't know where that belief came from, but it's almost like you're not valuable unless you have the ability to earn money. Right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and that and and if you, you know, and it's like so it's almost like uh you know, I have to let go of the idea that you You know, your earning equates to your value, and that's not true.
SPEAKER_02Your worth yourself. Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. It's time it's tight.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, I like that you say that that's like one of the hardest things for you to let go, because I feel like I feel like a lot of people um nowadays, or probably for most of humanity, um equate their self-worth with exactly with money.
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_02More so nowadays, like, you know, it's it's hard not to do that. It's not it's hard not to, again, with social media and whatnot, kind of going on vacation as per se on here.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. It's like, well, if I'm not a ch if I'm not if I'm not an an achiever, then I'm not valuable. You know, if I'm not achieving something, then I'm I think a lot and I think a lot of people, particularly women, burn out that way. It's like, you know, I have to prove my value by showing that I can earn a certain amount or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, society really puts way too much emphasis on earnings or you know, uh how people see you as valuable.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, it goes back to when people say, hey, what do you do, or who are you? Exactly. Those people's answers will be their job. Exactly. And or what they do for a career. And it's you know, again, it's not necessarily who you are. Um yeah, interesting. What's something people misunderstand about because uh, you know, a big thing of what you do is you know, letting go, which which leads to healing, which leads to transformation. Um, what's something that people misunderstand about that process of healing, mistransformation, and personal growth? You know, it's always dirty, it's rough, but like what do people not realize? What it's like.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think again, um, my work is very, very deep. And some people may not want to go deep. I mean, you know, I I uncover a lot of skeletons in the closet. And if you're not willing, and this is just it, if you can't touch it, get in touch with your feelings, then it's gonna be very difficult to really do that transformation. I mean, so many people stuff their feelings, and they don't, I mean, it's almost like I think particularly men, you know, it's like, well, being emotional is not acceptable or whatever. So, you know, it's like to men, it's like, well, if I get emotional, that shows my weakness. Some women have that belief as well that, you know, if I get emotional, that means I'm weak. Right? So it's kind of like, yeah, yeah, I think I think a lot of people don't realize, well, first of all, they don't realize a lot of people's behavior is on automatic and they don't know why they do what they do. In other words, I had I worked with a gentleman who had gone through bankruptcy once and he was afraid he was going to go through bankruptcy again. And that's why he hired me. And it's like, and what I found out was he when he was growing up, um, because his his goal was to be a millionaire, okay. Well, when he was growing up, I guess the neighbors got all these good, you know, they basically were more affluent than what his family was, and they got all these things. And um, and his mother told him, Don't you know, don't you try to keep up with the Joneses. It's like, you know, that's not a good thing. So he downloaded that. So he basically what he was doing was he was self-sabotaging. So it's like, in fact, you know, one thing he did that I identified with, he said, every time he went out to dinner, he always picked up the tab for the entire table. And I asked him, I said, why do you do that? Well, he didn't know. And I said, I know why you do it. You want approval. That's one of, you know, is it's a very basic human nature that we want approval. So I said, the next time you go out to dinner, I want you to pick up the tab for you and your wife and nobody else, and I want you to email me back how you felt about it. Two days later, he sends me an email and he says, Catherine, I did it. It felt so good. So, yeah, I think people don't realize just what is down in their subconscious that's affecting their behavior. I mean, like people that are, you know, that overspend, you know, it's spender eating. It's like, well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna spend something on myself to make me feel good, right? If I'm feeling depressed, a pair of shoes, or I'm gonna go out and buy this so I can feel better. That's a very subconscious thing, right? It's just like eating. It's like, well, I feel really bad, so I'm gonna eat a quart of ice cream to make myself feel better. And spending is the same thing.
SPEAKER_02Interesting.
SPEAKER_01It absolutely is. And one thing I think people are very surprised at, because one thing I do in my coaching is we look at the five types of money and what they and what they represent. And it's like savings represents security. Okay. So if there are people I I just asked them, I said, what's your savings like? Some people say zero. And savings is, you know, if you have zero savings, that means you're not safe. I mean, you don't feel safe if you don't have any savings. And then we also talk about, you know, what feeling comes up when you think about your savings. And that's that's very revealing. And then what do you say in your head when you think about your when you think about your savings? It's like, you know, am I a loser? It's like I'm no good, you know, I'm a failure. I mean, it can be usually it's very negative. But I mean, I go through and and debt represents um that you're see, what is it debt represents? Debt basically represents that you're not good enough. In other words, that you it's almost like you will never get out of debt. You know, it's like it's it's kind of a worthiness thing, you know. It's like the deeper you go into debt, the l the you know, that kind of thing. And then we look at, and then we look at income, you know, what's your income, you know, and we do the same thing. So again, the three questions we ask is what is what's the in, you know, what is your the amount, what feeling comes up, and you look at that type of money, and what do you say in your head when you think about that kind of money? It reveals a uh it it's called the money map, and it really reveals a lot about the individual that they're not even aware of.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's fascinating, especially mapping it out all in terms of how money is viewed and used.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02Interesting.
SPEAKER_01And so like again, the five types of money are savings, debt, income, income goals. And don't even know what toxic, and I didn't know what toxic money was.
SPEAKER_02Toxic money is money, it's I was just gonna say what is toxic money, I have no idea.
SPEAKER_01Toxic money is is basically earned in a battle. In other words, you may be getting alimony from an ex-spouse that you don't, you know, it's like you don't like him, you don't want him, you know. It's like, or perhaps you're in a court case where you're trying to get money, you know, because you deserve this money and you're in a battle over trying to get it. It basically affects how you're going to earn.
SPEAKER_02Interesting. I don't think I've ever heard that before.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I know. I didn't either. It was fascinating to learn.
SPEAKER_02Toxic money. I want to start like a punk rock band, just so I can use that as my as the name of the band. I said I want to start a punk rock band, so I can call it Toxic Money.
SPEAKER_01Toxic Money? Oh my god. I've never heard of them. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I'll put you on drums. It'll be fine. It'll be great. Um interesting. So uh that's turning back towards you for a little bit and your journey. Um, you know, has there ever been a time and a moment where you questioned your own path and purpose as you as you head down this coaching?
SPEAKER_01Oh heavens, I I've changed my it's like, you know, I first of all, when I went to college, I did not know what I wanted to major in. I mean, I knew I wasn't ready for life, but it's like an and it's kind of like the ivory tower. I was hiding away, right? But I finally decided, well, I'm a creative writer. I'll, I'll uh, I'll major in journalism. So that's what I did. I got a degree in journalism. And I, you know, I actually got my and I wasn't sure I was gonna get a job as a journalist, but I did get a job at a small town newspaper as the feature writer. It was my ideal job. I mean, it absolutely was. And um I got to intervene too, because I didn't recognize until I went to a retreat for the release technique that what I and what I actually ended up was was actually it was prophesized when I was six years old. Because when I was six years old, I had a very traumatic experience in parochial school. We had the Benedictine nuns, and it's like they were pretty bad. But anyway, we had a we had a um an exercise on how well do you pay attention, how well do you listen. Well, as a kid, I was I was very fidgety. I I did, I'm I'm a terrorist, I don't listen. I've very distracted, I'm all over the place, and I'm having a lot of energy. So we were supposed to color angels. And I didn't, I didn't know, you know, she had said, I want, I want the row down to this child to color the color the angel this way, and I want this row down to this child to color the angel that way. So there were two possible colors. One was yellow-green or green-yellow, whatever you want to call it, and the other was uh was uh red, purple, red. It's like uh, yeah, it's uh red violet, red violet, that's what I want to say. And so I didn't know what was going on. I noticed people were starting to color in. I had an angel in front of me. I didn't know what to do with it. I looked at the person next to me, they were coloring it a certain way. I don't know if it was red, violet, or yellow, green. I can't remember. And it was like maybe five minutes later, I'm aware of this black figure standing behind me, and her hate face is contorted, and she's yelling at me at the top of her lungs, like, Catherine, you did not follow directions. So, what I did not realize was, and this was pointed out to me, that I had decided that it is not safe to make your own decisions. You need to have somebody that's what the person of the retreat said. And guess where you ended up for 25 years? Guess where you ended up? And I was like, you talk about my mouth falling open. I was like, Oh my god, what did I do?
SPEAKER_02Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Incredible.
SPEAKER_01Um this is you know, it's like people realize a lot of times that your subconscious decisions as a child that you suppress that you're not aware of will come back to bite you after, you know, down the road.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I mean, what are what are some of the most common emotional patterns or you know, limiting beliefs that you see in clients?
SPEAKER_01Well, I think um I think for most times it's like I think it's more of a trigger than anything. Like, for example, you know, if you ask a coach, for example, I know we had an exercise one time in a group discussion, it's like, you know, what do you charge for your coaching? And then double it. Well, most people could double it. But when when the person said triple it, oh my gosh, people were like, there is no way. I couldn't possibly triple that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01No, no, I'd rather die first. It's almost like it's oh no, people would people would make fun of me, people would reject me, people would, you know, it's like, yeah, that's that's huge. And it's like I was the only one in the group, you know. I said, you know, I said, okay, I would charge 3,000 for three months, and yeah, I can double that to 6,000. Yep, I can double that again. I mean, I think maybe tripling it sort of triggered me a little bit, but not nothing like group, the group that I was here for hearing from the different people in my group. It was like, oh my god, but it was like they just they just couldn't believe it. I mean, that's and that's one of the things I do in one of my modules. I think it's called setting outrageous goals, because it's like, you know, let's set a goal and then let's double it. Now let's triple it and see what happens.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. Yeah. Cool. Um what are has your definition of success and abundance changed over time?
SPEAKER_01It's definitely, I mean, to me, the definition of success is more, it's more spiritual, it's happiness. It's like being feeling feeling happy and fulfilled, and is my more definition of abundance money anymore or or title or anything like that. It's like I my definition is peace of mind. I mean inner peace. If I can feel that inner peace and peace of mind, that is my definition of success.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah. Same, same here. Um, what advice would you give someone who feels emotionally stuck but doesn't know?
SPEAKER_01I would first of all, um I'd love to help them, but they can also inside yourself is the answer to everything. So I would say, you know, get quiet, turn within, and see what answer comes up. Because believe it or not, you have the answer to your life. Whatever it is, I mean, that is but it's it's the m it's it's important to get to get quiet so that the mind doesn't keep, you know, constantly they're the little monkey mind spinning in your head. Get quiet, turn inward, and ask some questions. You actually will get answers.
SPEAKER_02Love that. How about if someone listening right now feels exhausted, lost, overwhelmed, or disconnected from themselves? Uh, what would you want them to hear?
SPEAKER_01I would say, first of all, self-love is very powerful. I mean, so many people cannot love themselves, and love is the most powerful process on the planet. I mean, you know, just you know, first of all, um stop beating yourself up, which is not the easiest thing to do because I do it all the time. But yeah, I mean love yourself. Love yourself as you are, don't judge yourself, you know, accept whatever's happening. Um, you know. Wherever you're like if you're feeling lost and depressed, first of all, reach out for help. I mean, don't do don't struggle alone. I mean, that's one thing I find when I started my business. I should have, I should have uh reached out for help sooner than I did. For some reason, and women, we have a tendency to think I can do this on my own. And that's not really, I mean, we're here. I mean, human beings need support, they need help. And there's nothing wrong with asking for help. It is not a sign of weakness, it is a sign of strength. And yeah, if a person feels lost and and stuck, reach out for help. You know, I'm one resource. I mean, I'm not the only resource. I mean, if they have a friend they can talk to, or you know, they, you know, women like you know, women have a tendency to, yeah, I need to talk, I need to connect. Whereas men have a tendency like they suffer, like I've got to be strong, you know, I I can't let this show, right?
SPEAKER_02Right, right. I can't show a weakness here. Um well, I got one more question for you, Catherine.
SPEAKER_01Great.
SPEAKER_02You ready for this?
SPEAKER_01Would you like me to take lead you through a simple example of the Sedona method so you can experience it for yourself? And then the audience can see what'd be amazing.
SPEAKER_02Let's do it.
SPEAKER_01All right.
SPEAKER_02Well, let's hear it. Let's see the Sedona method.
SPEAKER_01Well, first of all, what I want you to do, first of all, I want to show you how easy it is. So I want you to pick up a pen, hold it in your hand.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01All right. And I want you to pull the pen around on your hand. Okay. You will notice the pen represents your feelings. Your hand represents your consciousness. Notice that the pen is not attached to your hand, just as your feelings are not attached to you, okay? Now I want you to close your hand over the pen and grip it as hard as you can. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01You're going to notice two things. Number one, the more you grip it, you're going to find out, oh, it's really uncomfortable, right? But you're also going to notice it's very familiar. And that's why we hold on to feelings because they're so familiar to us. We don't say, I feel sad or I feel angry. We say, I am sad, I am angry, and that's what gives it power. Okay. Now I want you to turn your hand over and let it go. That's how easy letting go is. Okay. Now, what I want you to do is, and I want you to put your hand over your heart because you let go from the neck down. The mind will try to help, but the mind will only get in the way. Okay. Now, what I want you to do is I want you to think of a situation or person that bothers you, that doesn't give you any peace or seems unresolved. Okay. And I also now, when you think about that situation or person, what feeling comes up? Is it sadness? Is it angry? Is it overwhelm? What is the feeling? And I want you to rate the feeling on a scale of one to ten. Ten being the most intense, one being the least intense. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_01All right. Now, do you notice that that the feeling does that how you feel about it does not solve the problem or doesn't help in any way? Okay. Would you be over? Would you allow that feeling to soften and relax and dissolve? Yes or no?
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01All right. Would you allow that feeling to soften and relax so that you could be more free?
SPEAKER_00Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01Okay. And when would you be open to allowing that feeling to soften and relax so that you could be more free?
SPEAKER_02I'm guessing right now.
SPEAKER_01Good. Do you now let that feeling go just for now? Okay. Now get in touch with the situation or the person and rate the feeling on a scale of one to ten. Did you notice that the feeling dropped? Do you notice your number drop?
SPEAKER_02Absolutely, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And look how simple that was.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01That is about as simple as you can.
SPEAKER_02Very cool.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you can do that in your sleep. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yeah, you can do that anywhere.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I mean, it helped me let go of a marriage. It helped me let go of a marriage of 23 years that was unsupportive and emotionally abusive. And it helped me let go of the job in the call center for 25 years. As I said, that I developed shingles in the last month that I was there. So it's like, yeah. I mean, I didn't think I could let go of those.
SPEAKER_02Incredible.
SPEAKER_01You know, I I didn't think I could let go of those two things because I thought I needed them. I thought, you know, I thought I needed them for survival. They were my security blankets. But the more I held on to both of them, the more miserable and unhappy I became. And when I let go, I mean, when I let go of my marriage, Daniel, I found out I had enough money to live on for the rest of my life. I had no idea.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_01I know. It was such a shock. And then of course, when I let go of the job, that's when the universe led me to life coaching. My Total dream job and how I can help others, you know, share the Sedona method, help them transform their lives. I mean, it is the most incredible journey that I have been on. I mean, I don't regret any part of the journey that I was on. I mean, you know, I zigzagged so many times in my life, and I'm sure people can relate to that, but I don't regret. I mean, I would not be where I am today if any part of that life had not happened.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. It all leads to something.
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_02For sure. It's all about where you land. Um well listen, I got one more question for you.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02To you in your mind. What does braving the bright side mean to you?
SPEAKER_01Braving the bright side. It's kind of like what I did. Braving the bright side is looking for looking for happiness, looking looking for the positive, looking for what's positive in life. I mean, right now, Daniel, there is so much negativity going on in life and stress, the economy and everything else. The more we look at the bright side, the happier we become. And, you know, and that's basically how money in abundance comes to us. It's like one of the participants in the retreat said, it's like, I think it was very profound. He said, Catherine, remember, money does not make you happy. You have money because you are happy. And the happier you are, the more money and abundance will flow to you. I can atta I will be a testimony to that.
SPEAKER_02Amen to that. That's um that's great, Catherine. I appreciate that. Well, listen, where would where would people be able to find you if they're interested in learning learning more about you or possibly?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, which is Katherine Cliff Coaching. Very simple. And they can look me up on LinkedIn as well. I have a I have an account on LinkedIn. Or I they can also find me on Facebook as well, although I I'm not that active on Facebook. But uh yeah, but yeah, my website, it's certainly Kathryncliffe Coaching.com, and they can set up a session with me. I mean, my first one is complimentary, it's just a discovery session where we can we look at one challenge that you have and we go very deep, and then you can decide whether this work is something you really want to pursue.
SPEAKER_02That's really cool. Catherine, listen, your story is uh it's pretty awesome. I mean, you've worn many, many hats, many cats along your way. And it's like you said, uh, I mean, you're certified in like 19 to become a coach, and um, you know, it's just really cool. It's really cool to see your your journey. And like you said, where you landed, you wouldn't change anything in the world. So you're doing a lot of good out there for people. So thank you. I really can't thank you enough for coming on the bright side.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think thank you for this opportunity. It's been a delight, Daniel. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, of course. Well, listen, um, I'll be in touch and you have yourself a lovely day.
SPEAKER_01Thank you.
SPEAKER_02A huge thank you to Catherine for joining us today and for such an honest conversation. If something from today's episode resonated with you, my encouragement is very simple. Don't just nod along. Feel free to sit with it. Ask yourself what you've been carrying and what it's finally time to put down. Sometimes the smallest shift in any kind of awareness becomes the beginning of the biggest transformation. If you enjoyed today's episode, be sure to follow Braving the Bright Side on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also find the show on Instagram at braving underscore the bright side, on Facebook and TikTok at BravingTheBright Side. For guest inquiries, speaking opportunities, coaching, or just to say hello, you can reach me at braving the bright side at gmail.com. Thank you for spending a little time on the bright side with me today. Until next time, keep braving it. One step, one sunrise, and one piece of baggage at a time. Hey. Happy Fourth of July to all of you who celebrate. I'll see you next time.
