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Setting The Valentine’s Chaos

NALEE 0:49

Okay, listen. If you're listening on this oops, I don't know what I gotta say. I already fucked up. Yeah, shocker. I am a dumb hoe. Okay. Okay, listen. If you're listening to this on Valentine's Day, first of all, why?

ANTHONY 1:07

Second of all, are you okay? Blink twice.

NALEE 1:11

This episode is for people in love, out of love, confused about love, and actively ignoring someone's text right now.

ANTHONY 1:19

Yeah. If your phone is face down, you're already guilty.

NALEE 1:24

Today we're talking Valentine's Day, aka Capitalism's favorite relationship test.

ANTHONY 1:31

The holiday where you either get flowers or character development.

NALEE 1:35

So if you're single, taken, or emotionally freelancing, duh, welcome to Twin Tangents.

ANTHONY 1:42

Let's do what we do best and ruin the vibe immediately. Period. Our first segment, Valentine's Day is a setup. Okay, Nolly, be honest. Valentine's Day feels like a social experiment.

NALEE 1:58

Like someone said, let's see who cries today and pressed play. Um, and I completely agree. I do think that Valentine's Day, honestly, a lot of the holidays that we have is a social experiment. It's not required. I think we've talked about this, like Christmas and everything else.

ANTHONY 2:15

But it's all about capitalism. It's all it is. Yup. And that's yeah.

Instagram Couples And Authenticity

NALEE 2:23

It is what it is. All right. So, like Anthony said, our segment here is about Valentine's Day being a setup. My first topic is Instagram couples are lying. Like if it's that perfect, why does the man still follow 800 girls or the girl follows like a thousand guys? I think that there are some people who are like genuine, but at the same time, it's that thing of like when do you find the time to record everything? You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 2:56

Again, this no, I completely agree with you. And this goes back to the conversation that we had previously about all these curated videos. Who has the time for all of this stuff? And I do agree that there are those couples that are that are out there that like some of those Instagram couples, they're lit like legit, they're real. Okay, I feel I feel it. I'm seeing it.

NALEE 3:18

Okay, I have a quick I have a trick question for you.

unknown 3:21

Uh-oh.

NALEE 3:21

Do you think t Taylor and Travis Kelsey is fake? Or do you think they're like real, real?

ANTHONY 3:29

I w I will say that in the beginning I did think that it their relationship was just like a PR stunt. Okay. But I do think that it is real. And I think one of the things for me personally, and let me know what your thoughts are on this. I think one thing that you can look at to differentiate a real couple from a fake like Instagram couple on social media is when you're scrolling through their Instagram account, when it's like almost every single picture is a curated photo op of them as a couple, versus, you know, here's me and my husband on Christmas morning, and then there's pictures of the kids, and there's pictures of the house, and then the soccer game, and then oh, here's another picture of me and my husband out on date night. Like, when it's not every single photo is a curated photo of you as a couple, it's more realistic that you're a satisfied and happy couple. What are your thoughts on that?

NALEE 4:36

I do I agree with that. I think I feel like I don't know. At the same time, I feel like it's kind of hard to tell what's authentic and what's not anymore. Because people are like, oh, well, if I make it too perfect, then everybody's gonna think that it's fake. So they purposely like make it like how you're saying, not as perfect. But then there are those where like, oh, everything seems perfect, but then it's not too. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I feel like people do put a lot of thought into how they like post their social media and stuff like that. And it's really hard to tell. Like, it's I don't know, it's it's really hard to tell in my opinion.

ANTHONY 5:19

I do agree with that. I think that I mean, my logic, there is no like obviously scientific or report studies to back it up. It's just that's just my opinion. And then like, you know, if you read the captions, that's how Anthony sees it.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

ANTHONY 5:36

But like, even if you read the captions, it's like, is it you can tell if it's a genuine caption versus the perfectly curated, I have the perfect romance and the perfect relationship post.

NALEE 5:51

Yeah. I mean, if you do, like, I think that's amazing. More power to you.

ANTHONY 5:56

But Yes, preach for sure.

NALEE 5:59

It's it's the thing of like, how do you find time to do all of that, you know?

ANTHONY 6:04

Yeah, I don't get it. I don't I don't understand how people find the time to like curate all those videos and photos.

Parasocial PR Vs Real Relationships

NALEE 6:12

But I but then again, I feel like the times are different now because everything's all like social media. There's content creators and stuff like that, you know? So their whole life is spent on creating content. So I feel like it's easier for them to just focus on looking good, curating whatever. You know what I mean? So I feel like it's easier, but like compared to us, like us working class, nine to five, like our days already done. Like by the time we clock out, it's just like, okay, I'm pooped. I don't got time to record. I barely got time to eat, almost don't even have time to shit. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 6:50

So isn't it isn't it kind of sad though, excuse me, thinking about it from that perspective, like these content creators. So take for example, we've talked uh about her a lot, that Michaela, Michaela girl that does the makeup and stuff. Yeah. Like, I don't know, I just feel like it's kind of sad that, okay, this is your life and this is what you chose to do. But then, like, sometimes I'll come across her videos and it's one of those videos where she's pulling her husband in. And it's like, you can tell he he doesn't want to do this fucking fit check with you before you go out to dinner.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

Yeah.

ANTHONY 7:29

You know what I mean?

NALEE 7:31

That reminds me of I forgot what the couple's name is, but like the I forgot what their name is. The it's the black couple. Like they're really good looking. He her husband cooks and she's like, she does like really funny stunts and stuff like that. Not really stunts, but she does like funny videos. And it's kind of like that where you thought that, you know, like they're funny, it's like the perfect picture, but clearly you kind of see as it progressed out through the relationship that like he's clearly not interested, or she's clearly not interested. Did you not hear about this?

ANTHONY 8:07

I haven't, but it's like don't drag your relationship into what you're choosing to make your brand or your lifestyle or your business for these, you know, these content creators. Like Michaela, she's she's made that her life. That's I mean, I don't know. Does she have a job?

NALEE 8:25

I don't think she does.

ANTHONY 8:26

Or is that her job?

NALEE 8:28

I mean, content creating is her job. Is is that not considered a job right now? Like I think creating is a job.

ANTHONY 8:35

I mean, it is to an extent, but I just meant, does she have like a normal job or is the content creating her job? But if the content creating is her job, like why are you dragging your relationship into that?

NALEE 8:48

Yeah. I don't know. Maybe he it I don't know. Maybe it builds like a different kind of like category, you know what I mean? Like a different kind of niche for her. Like, you know how like there's content creators who have like multiple different niches. Like, for example, like me. You know, like I'm not a content creator, but like I do nails, and then now I've gotten into tarot, and then now I'm just kind of like doing whatever the fuck, you know what I mean? But yeah, I don't know, it's kind of fun, but I think you also kind of get like pulled into it, you know what I mean? Where it's just like, oh, like this is actually kind of fun.

ANTHONY 9:23

Yeah, I know I get that, and I'm all for that. Good for you if that's what you want to do. But again, you're dragging your it's her husband, you're dragging your husband into these videos for your own like wants and desires.

unknown 9:38

Yeah.

ANTHONY 9:39

If he doesn't want to do a fucking get fit check or whatever, what's it called? Fit check video.

NALEE 9:46

Fit check, get fit check, get subcheck.

ANTHONY 9:48

If he doesn't, if he doesn't want to do a fit check video and he's not big on social media, why are you bringing your you're prioritizing your content creation over your relationship?

NALEE 9:58

Is that how you see it?

ANTHONY 10:00

That's how I see it. That's how Anthony sees it? That's how Anthony sees it, yes.

NALEE 10:05

Like I didn't think of it that way. I just thought it'd be like, oh, like, you know, like, like I could, I don't know. Like, for example, like me, right? Like, I post a lot of stuff about me, but then there are times where like I would post it about like my significant other. You know what I mean? Yeah. But again, it's the thing of like, I can't compare myself to her though. I mean, she's famous, you know what I mean?

ANTHONY 10:29

I think the example that I'm using with her like pulling him in for these fit checks is a bad example, but it just for a lack of a a better example, that's why I'm using it.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Yeah.

ANTHONY 10:39

But like those people that do pull in their spouse or their significant other into the video, and they clearly don't want anything to do with it.

NALEE 10:49

Yeah. Yeah.

ANTHONY 10:49

Why are you doing that? You know? I don't I don't think that that's really what you were going for with your Instagram couples or lying, though.

NALEE 10:56

Probably not, but that's still it's still a good talking point. Yeah, I don't know. Like, I don't know. Sometimes it's just fun to bring them in and see how they I'm not like rooting for, I'm not like siding with her, but I just feel like, like, let's say if I had a a significant other who's like, he's not really like camera shy, but he's still down to like do funny stuff. Like, you know those videos where like the tuna thing, where the girl putting like the tuna between her legs and then I was like, what are we talking about, Jessica Simpson? No. No, but like that. Like sometimes it's fun to bring them in and to see like their reactions and stuff. You know what I mean? But I get it. I think the way the way that maybe the way that you're talking about is more for parents because obviously it has like fit check, blah, blah, blah, blah, and I don't know where I'm going with this, but you know what I mean?

ANTHONY 11:52

You know what I mean? I do know. I I I understand what you're saying, yeah.

NALEE 11:57

Yeah.

ANTHONY 11:58

And what what about not to change the subject, but like looking? So you had said, if it's that perfect, why does he still follow 800 girls? Do you see a problem with being in a relationship and your significant other following? No, not really. Not really.

NALEE 12:16

Now, if your bitch ass is paying for photos and shit of her toes, I'd be like, let me put my toe in your mouth real quick for free.

ANTHONY 12:24

For free?

NALEE 12:25

For free.

ANTHONY 12:26

Why would you do it for free? If he's gonna pay other girls to do that, you might as well make some money off that too. Be like, I'm gonna make his throat suffer.

NALEE 12:33

I'm gonna make him five.

ANTHONY 12:34

I'll let you suck on my toes.

NALEE 12:36

That's true. But I don't know. I think there's a fine line between that.

ANTHONY 12:41

Like There's nothing wrong with following. It's a matter of what you're like, if you're DMing them.

NALEE 12:48

Yeah. Like you're if you're if you're like admiring from afar, okay. I can I can stick with that. Like But if your bitch ass is like, show me send me a puss a picture of your puss, or like I'd pay you five dollars for your toes, I'd be like, bitch, five. I need help. You need help.

ANTHONY 13:05

It's like Betty White said in Hot in Cleveland, just because I'm chained to the fence doesn't mean I can't bark at the cars.

NALEE 13:12

Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

ANTHONY 13:15

So just because you're in a relationship doesn't mean you can't admire somebody or think that somebody else is attractive. And I think that that's healthy.

NALEE 13:21

Yeah, that's very true.

ANTHONY 13:22

I think it's very healthy for a relationship versus being like, if you ever fucking look at so much as look at somebody, I'm gonna fucking castrate you.

NALEE 13:31

Like Damn. I agree. I think it is healthy. I think, like for me, I'd like to say that, but I am the jealous type where it like you know, if I see you checking somebody, I'll be like, there it is. Why are you looking at them? Why are you looking at them? But at the same time, it's it's hypocritical because I'm over here fucking drooling over Henry Cavill and like posting up men like back to back, you know what I mean? So it's definitely But that's different. That's different.

ANTHONY 13:59

Like you're drooling over Henry Cavill, whereas I I mean, unless I'm misunderstanding you, whereas like if you go out to the mall with your partner and he is clearly checking out the girl walking by, it's a little different. Like he's within feet of this girl versus when I mean, really, honestly, and I mean this with love, but when are you ever gonna have the opportunity to be in the same room as Henry Cab? You know what I mean? If you watch, I I hope so. I hope, I hope not. For your sake that you have that opportunity.

NALEE 14:34

I'm a mass festist out there. When I get onto SNL, Henry Campbell's gonna be the first person I drool over in real life.

ANTHONY 14:41

Okay, I hope that for you. I wish that for you. But I'm just saying for comparison purposes, like it's different when you're drooling over a celebrity. Like that's the chances of meeting them is smaller versus a random girl or a random dude.

NALEE 14:56

Yeah.

ANTHONY 14:56

Yeah.

Boundaries, Following, And Jealousy

NALEE 14:57

I mean, chances are, let's say, if like the person is really hot, even if it's a girl, I'd be saying the same thing, though. I'd be like, damn, she's hot. I see, I get why you're checking her out. But if it's some like trashy ass looking ass bitch that doesn't even compare to me, and you're checking her out, I'd be like, damn boy, your standards got low. Like, what's going on? Like, we need a we need to check your standards got low. Yeah, like we need to check your mental health. You need Jesus. Somebody call it NATO. Exactly. I don't know. I think, yeah, I'm I think it's different when you're following like a celebrity or like, I don't know, fucking porn stars, big deal. And I don't know, I kind of want a tangent, but I probably, I don't know, maybe that's what we're here for.

ANTHONY 15:43

Twin tangents.

NALEE 15:44

Okay. So I guess I have a I have a follow-up question on your follow-up question. What are your thoughts about watching porn? Like, I know some people are very like, don't watch porn.

ANTHONY 15:55

This is our Valentine's Day episode, and we're gonna discuss porn.

NALEE 15:59

It's chaos. Hello.

ANTHONY 16:01

I don't see anything wrong with it. Like if that's what you want to do. Do you mean like individually or like as a couple?

NALEE 16:07

Just in general. Like, I just in general, because obviously when you're watching porn, you're kind of in like a fantasy state. Fantasy, right? Yeah. And you're looking at it and you're like imagining either you're doing it to that person or that person's doing it to you, kind of a thing, yada yada. Yeah. And yes, we're getting into the nitty-gritty. You're in tune tangents. Do you not already know what the fuck we talk about? But, anyways, if you feel uncomfortable, skip for the next 20 minutes or whatever, however long. I don't know. But yeah, like I feel like I feel like it's kind of healthy and unhealthy to watch porn. I think it's okay to like have fantasies because if you're saying that you don't fantasize about anybody, you're fucking lying.

ANTHONY 16:49

First of all, anything.

NALEE 16:51

Yeah. And if you don't have a fetish, you fucking lie. Your fetish is lying. Done. You know, but your fetish is lying. Yeah. But like, fuck, I was going somewhere with this.

ANTHONY 17:08

But you're saying how you think porn can be healthy and unhealthy.

NALEE 17:13

Watching porn is healthy because obviously you imagine stuff and like you, I I feel like some people they bring that into the into their sex life. You know what I mean? And it kind of changes things and stuff like that. You learn from it, I guess better words to say. Like there's things that you learn, you try out with your partner, and if it don't work, then it don't work. But you know what I mean? If it does work and it's something that you like, then yeah, good for the both of you guys. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 17:39

That's great.

NALEE 17:40

I think where I was gonna say there's also that line of like when you watch too much porn and it becomes an addiction. Yeah. And you rely on porn to get turned on, or you rely on porn to like get off. You know what I mean? That's when it's kind of like, okay, let's let's take it down a notch. Let's go to therapy. There's something deeper there.

ANTHONY 18:02

Well, I don't think that's a let's go to therapy. That's a you need to go to therapy sort of thing when you have like an addiction to porn.

NALEE 19:02

Oh, yeah, yeah.

ANTHONY 19:03

Like I do agree with that. I do think that porn can be healthy and unhealthy. I do think that it allows for the opportunity for, like you said, like learning new things or positions or whatever it may be, but at the same time not even being unhealthy from a healthy standpoint. I feel like porn also just gives a false narrative. Like it changes your expectations.

Porn: Fantasy, Learning, And Limits

NALEE 19:33

Right. And that's also something I was gonna say that like when people watch porn, they have an unrealistic view of what sex actually is like.

ANTHONY 19:43

Yeah. Like, for example, I'll tell you right now, that fucking cheerleader, there's no way she was getting pounded for 37 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

What cheerleader?

ANTHONY 19:53

I'm just saying, like in a porn movie where the cheerleader is getting pounded. I was like, She's not getting pounded for 37 minutes. There's I don't know. Okay. Let's get to the nitty-gritty. I I have a question for you before we go down this road. So the reason that I said that was I f I'm just gonna say it. I feel like guys don't last long.

NALEE 20:13

I've been with people who lasted really long.

ANTHONY 20:15

I feel like what is really long?

NALEE 20:18

Uh-huh, like 15 minutes, 20 minutes, knees shaking and all.

ANTHONY 20:23

So, okay, so that's long for you.

NALEE 20:25

I feel like that's a long time to keep my legs up in the air.

ANTHONY 20:29

Okay, see, and I feel like porn gives this maybe 37 minutes wasn't the right like time, but like I feel like porn gives this image that like guys can fuck like a Brahma bull for an hour without any issues.

NALEE 20:46

I feel like the thing though with porn, and I agree with that, because realistically, if you've been fucking for hours, he's probably cummed like five times. You know what I mean? Or like his dick is probably sensitive as fuck, and you've got to take breaks in between. You know what I mean? I think compared to a porn video where they're just fucking for an hour straight.

ANTHONY 21:08

Like, but that's all edited together.

NALEE 21:11

Yeah. Funny thing is though, like and this is uh gonna be a side tangent of the side tangents side tangent, but like porn stars, they do so much though. Like they get like STI, S T I S T D checks. They have to make sure that the pussy shit is like clean and you know, like it's literally so much work.

ANTHONY 21:33

Yes, it's not like a why it's not like a Why are you talking like you've like looked into becoming a porn star and you're like, I've thought about it, but man, it's all this work. You gotta do this, you gotta do this, you gotta do that.

NALEE 21:47

Have we not talked about this before?

ANTHONY 21:50

I don't think we've talked about it on the pod. Maybe I'm wrong. Okay. I know we've talked about it in person.

NALEE 21:54

I just wanted to drag you. Okay, well, the reveal is I'm not saying that like it's my fantasy. I'm just saying to say, but like when I was in high school, like You did say that was your fantasy. Yeah, like in high school, I did want to be a porn star. Clearly, that route hasn't like happened, but there's your opportunity.

ANTHONY 22:17

Show off your boobies.

NALEE 22:19

Oh, it's okay. You're making me shy now. But yeah, like it was it was like like if acting didn't work out, bitch, it was porn. You know what I mean? And it's kind of acting too, but in a different way. It was it's an action acting. I don't fucking know. But regardless of all that, like they put a lot of work into just making porn, but at the same time, to what we're talking about like earlier, it sets unrealistic expectations for real sex. Like girls don't fucking moan like for 30 minutes. Like my breath will be like I'd be out of breath and my throat would be dry if I moan for 30 minutes straight. And again, it's that thing of like, yes, if you're flexible, good for you, but bitch, after five minutes, my knees start shaking. Okay, like you know what I mean? It's like, no, it's unrealistic. I think again, porn is healthy, but if it becomes like too much, it's just it's unhealthy. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 23:20

Okay, I I have a personal question for you.

NALEE 23:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

I don't know if I'll answer it, but okay.

ANTHONY 23:26

Actually I have two. But w first one, as a female, what are your thoughts on those guys that are like, call me daddy? Or like, and they want you to be like, oh, daddy.

SPEAKER_04 23:42

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You like the uh tight little pink pussy. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

I didn't think you were gonna say it, but you did. After the rubbing video last week, yeah, I think there's nothing that we can't we can't ever last week.

ANTHONY 24:02

That's what did it?

SPEAKER_01 24:04

Yeah. You were showing the whole world what you was doing.

ANTHONY 24:08

I wasn't doing it.

NALEE 24:09

Well, your demonstration was pretty clear and very like well.

ANTHONY 24:14

Good. I wanted to give the illusion that I was.

NALEE 24:19

You know what he's doing. You know what he's talking about? I think it depends. Are you asking about me personally if I like that, or just women in general?

ANTHONY 24:27

Well, I mean, I feel like girls talk, right? So like you personally, but like even like I'm assuming that you've had again, girls talk. You've had conversations with maybe your sisters, your girlfriends. Like, is there a consensus like on how they feel about that? Like how how do women feel about that? Because I feel like that's a really big like red flag when it I shouldn't say red flag, but it's a really big thing in like porn.

NALEE 24:51

And it's like, are you a pervy uncle kind of a thing? You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 24:56

Yeah.

NALEE 24:57

But I don't know. I think it depends because I can't speak on behalf of other girls. That's why it's hard. Yes, girls talk, but at the same time, we have like different tastes. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 25:11

Yeah, it's a personal preference for sure.

NALEE 25:14

Also, the thing, too, is I that's also something that's unrealistic, too, though. Because there's not a lot of people who actually do that. Like people would say that, oh yeah, like you call me daddy and like in the videos or whatever. But people don't actually do that in real life. They just plop plop plap plop, done and out. You know what I mean? So it's yeah, pretty much. So it's just like, yeah, unless you with somebody who's real fucking nasty and like they like that shit, then okay. Yeah, they'll tell you to call them daddy or like they'll tell you to like, I don't know, pull your hair or whatever the fuck, strangle you or whatever. But like that's people who's into kinky shit and they have like a fetish. But normally, kids, I'm telling you guys, sex is just in out done, and boom, bye, good night. See you later, you know? Yeah. Um, unless like you're in the like the puppy love phase or like you guys just equally have a high sex drive, then yeah.

ANTHONY 26:17

I just don't think that like real sex, and maybe this is just me. Listeners, prove me wrong, like say something, but like I don't feel like the even the way that like sex is portrayed in like television shows and movies when it's like romantic and there's flowers on the bed and candles and the Marvin Gaye is on. It's has anybody ever had sex like that? I on the regular. Let me rephrase that. On the regular.

NALEE 26:48

Oh shit. My camera's moving. Nobody's having sex over here. I just breathed a little too hard. I think people like I think people's done that, you know? Like, maybe not on the daily.

ANTHONY 27:03

Yeah.

NALEE 27:04

But I don't know. I think it's the thing of if you put an effort into it, you can. And that's the important part. You know what I mean? But yeah, you ain't gonna have like sex in the pic sex in the picnic. You ain't gonna have like sex while you're having a picnic or something, you know what I mean? I mean, that's hot, but you would go to jail for that shit. You know what I mean? If you get caught. That's true. If you get caught, actually. Um but I don't know. Back to your question, yeah. I don't know. I feel like it depends on the mood. Like it depends on if you're role-playing or not.

ANTHONY 27:39

So you're not against it?

NALEE 27:40

No, I kind of think that's hot.

unknown 27:42

Okay.

NALEE 27:42

So I probably have issues.

ANTHONY 27:44

So you're a dirty talker.

NALEE 27:47

No, I wouldn't say I'm a dirty talker, but if the guy was to dirty talk to me, I'd be into it. I'd be like, okay.

ANTHONY 27:55

Would you dirty talk back?

NALEE 27:57

I probably would.

ANTHONY 27:58

Daddy? All right, daddy.

NALEE 28:01

Yeah, but you know, it's kind of that thing where like don't knock it till you try it, kind of thing. Because you don't know what you like. I think when I think when you do things that you haven't tried before, you kind of learn things about yourself. Even if it feels a little weird, because I've had moments where it's just like, did we really just do this? Because Ooh, do tell.

ANTHONY 28:21

What did you do that you questioned?

NALEE 28:23

Why don't you share for once?

ANTHONY 28:26

I have shared. I ta bitch, I told you about how I had sex in my the backseat of my car in the parking lot of menards, the employee parking lot of menards.

NALEE 28:36

Oh, I don't know. You guys are gonna think that I'm a freak if I say stuff.

ANTHONY 28:40

Okay, you don't have to say.

NALEE 28:42

Oh, y'all think I'm a freak through and through already, right?

ANTHONY 28:45

I mean, I do. Oh, I'm I feel like you would get freaky.

NALEE 28:49

I would get freaky. I I think I would get freaky.

ANTHONY 28:51

I feel like you would be into like role playing.

NALEE 28:53

I haven't tried it, but I think I would too.

ANTHONY 28:55

Yeah.

NALEE 28:56

Yeah.

ANTHONY 28:57

I really wanna, I'm not gonna lie, I really want to do one of those like role plays where it's like you just like meet at a a bar somewhere and you just act like you've never got a big thing. That's cute.

NALEE 29:08

Yeah, that's cute.

ANTHONY 29:09

Yeah.

NALEE 29:09

And you're just like meeting for the first time.

ANTHONY 29:11

Yeah, can I buy you a drink?

Unrealistic Sex Expectations

NALEE 29:13

Yeah, yeah. But I don't feel like that's realistic. That'd be, to me, I'd be like, Well, that's why it's roleplay. I'm gonna be like, we're gonna go home right now, because uh you know me and I know you, you know. But I don't know.

ANTHONY 29:27

I feel like You can talk in an accent, you can wear a wig and say your name is Ariane.

NALEE 30:32

Patricia. My name is Patricia.

ANTHONY 30:35

Patricia. Yeah.

NALEE 30:37

But yeah, I don't know what we were talking about. What were we talking about?

ANTHONY 30:41

Well, I mean, we've had multiple side tangents, but I have asked you about talking dirty.

NALEE 30:48

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. I feel like some girls like it. Some don't. Some people just like to be like, okay, don't talk to me. Just do what you gotta do and let's go to sleep.

unknown 30:57

Yeah.

NALEE 30:58

You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 30:58

I don't like talking. I'm not a dirty talker.

NALEE 31:01

Oh. I kinda like like eek.

ANTHONY 31:05

You like being spanked.

NALEE 31:07

No, no. Oh, I mean, yeah, that's hot. I mean, regardless, like, I have a big ass, so it's gonna get spanked regardless. But like, I kind of like the reassurance. Like the guy or the person, whoever you're fucking, is giving you the reassurance, like, oh, that feels good. Or, oh, I like that. Like, to me, it's just like, oh, you like that? Let me give you more, you know?

ANTHONY 31:29

But can't you tell when they like it based on their bodies like twitching and shit? Their automatic responses, like the moans and the oh Yeah, you do, but it adds more to that.

NALEE 31:44

You know what I mean? Okay, I know I'm doing my job.

ANTHONY 31:47

So you'd rather you'd rather hear a guy say, oh yeah, just like that. Oh, baby, yeah.

NALEE 31:53

Not like the whole thing, just like two, two minutes of re like two seconds of reassurance, like, oh, that feels good.

ANTHONY 32:00

Yeah, keep doing that.

NALEE 32:01

Yeah, exactly, exactly. But then that's it. Not like, yeah, like suck my dick, like just like that, like reach your throat. Like, I want to get into your stomach like that. Like, that's kind of like okay.

ANTHONY 32:14

I want you to touch that little dangly thing that hang in the back of my throat.

NALEE 32:17

Exactly. Yeah, that's a lot for me. It's just like I don't know why it looks like I have an earthquake over here, but you have a train going by.

ANTHONY 32:26

Yeah, it does.

NALEE 32:27

Yeah, but yeah, I feel like it doesn't maybe some people do, like maybe some people like getting bitched at. I don't know. There's a thousand fetishes out there. So 100%. But I will say though, one thing that I found in common when you know girls talk, whatever, is girls just want to get manhandled. Like if you manhandle them, job done, complete, you're good. Like, you don't want no man like pulling your hair in and they're like, does that feel good? Nah, bitch, I want you to wrap my hair around your hand and pull it. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 33:02

There is a w there is a way to do that that's like sexually exciting without being actually aggressive.

NALEE 33:09

Yeah.

ANTHONY 33:10

And I think you just gave a perfect example of like wrapping the hair and like Exactly.

NALEE 33:15

Don't pull a little piece of my fucking hair and then it's gonna come off, and you're just like, oh, I'm done. Like, I don't want to do this no more. You know what I mean? Like, you gotta be, you gotta be like strategic about it. Because when you're having sex, you're not just I hope you're not just trying to satisfy yourself. You wanna satisfy the person who you're fucking first and then do what you gotta do. You know what I mean? But I feel like some people are just like, like I said, they're like clap, clap, clap, come, done. And like I turn my way and you turn your way, kind of a thing. But y'all gotta do that. There's the towel. Yeah, exactly. Or lay the towel down. You know what's up. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 33:56

But yeah, wet up in here.

NALEE 33:59

Exactly. Girls just want to get manhandled. Like, whether you're a submissive guy or not, like when it comes down to sex, thrash her around a little bit. Like slap her a little bit.

ANTHONY 34:11

Like you are literally promoting violence right now.

NALEE 34:15

Not like a not like, you know, just like, you know, like gentle slaps. But one thing I cannot get with though, I will say, is the sucking on the toes. Like that's a little excessive.

ANTHONY 34:30

But again, that's a fetish thing. It's like it's just I know.

NALEE 34:33

I know, but it's to me, it's just like shit, her foot was on the floor. Think about all the bacteria you're licking right now. You know what I mean? That's just that's just my train of thought, though. You do you, boo. Like, you got COVID, you do you. What that mouth do, you know.

ANTHONY 34:50

Okay. So on that note, I have two two things to say.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Okay.

ANTHONY 34:57

One, I don't know how we got here. Because we we literally went from Instagram couples to We had 8,000 baby tangents.

NALEE 35:07

That's great.

ANTHONY 35:09

Second of all, what is your and maybe this is what you just said, the toe sucking, but like, what is your absolute no? Like if a guy was like, I want to try this and I want to experiment with this, this is something I maybe my fetish, would you experiment with this with me? What is your absolute no?

NALEE 35:29

A few, actually.

ANTHONY 35:32

What's your top one?

NALEE 35:33

Probably pegging.

ANTHONY 35:35

Oh, interesting.

NALEE 35:36

Yeah. And like anything to do with feces or pee. Bitch, bye. That's for the I that's for the barn, not in the bed.

ANTHONY 35:44

So which one trumps the pegging or the feces and urine?

NALEE 35:51

They're both equally nasty to me.

ANTHONY 35:54

Okay.

NALEE 35:54

Like I ain't drinking your piss, you ain't pissing on me, I ain't like fucking in poop. That's how you get fucking STDs. And like I want to be manhandled. I don't want to manhandle you. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 36:08

Yeah.

NALEE 36:09

So it's kind of like, yeah, I would I wouldn't do that. But what about you? What is your like top no?

ANTHONY 36:16

Blood and feces.

NALEE 36:18

Blood?

ANTHONY 36:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Wait, blood? Can you like elaborate on that? Like, what's that?

Kinks, Consent, And Hard Nos

ANTHONY 36:24

No, I can't. I honestly I don't know what people do with it, or like, I don't know, but I know that there are people that have like a fetish for blood. I don't know if they like drink it, if they use it as lube, if what?

NALEE 36:39

Can they like, is it fake blood?

ANTHONY 36:42

No, real blood.

NALEE 36:43

Okay. My only Okay.

ANTHONY 36:46

I I I will say this. I have heard of there are guys that really enjoy having sex with women while they're on their period.

NALEE 36:54

Oh my god, I was just gonna say that. Okay. Yeah. So is that what you're considering as blood? Well, I mean, it is blood, but is that part of the Is there another definition of blood? No, no, no, no. Is that what you meant by blood though?

ANTHONY 37:07

Or are you talking about like I'm talking about just anything ouch? If we are having any form of sexual relations, blood will not be anywhere.

NALEE 37:17

Okay.

ANTHONY 37:18

Anywhere.

NALEE 37:19

Anywhere, anywhere. Okay. I will admit, I will say that, like, as girls, I don't know anybody who actually likes having sex while they're on their period. Like, yeah, it happens. It, you know, it happens. It doesn't feel great because like sometimes you don't got control of what comes out and what doesn't come out. You know what I mean? Sometimes it could be a fucking, it could be the red river. Sometimes it could be another. You know, like you take the risk, you do it at your own risk, kind of a thing. But at the same time, like blood doesn't feel like lubricant, too. It like has traction to it.

ANTHONY 37:58

It feels kind of like water, but probably oh my fucking god.

NALEE 38:05

Your fucking face. Anyways, that was just for more educational purposes, but uh you can get S T D's while fucking on while you have your period, just in FYI, if you guys didn't know that.

ANTHONY 38:17

Because it is or S T I's S T D's. Okay.

NALEE 38:24

What is S T I S an infection? Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, same thing. S T D, S T I, but you could get sick from it. That's that's just don't do it.

ANTHONY 38:36

Don't deal with blood. Like, why?

NALEE 38:38

I mean, if you gotta, you gotta do what you gotta do. Like, no. No, you don't. I'm not gonna judge you.

ANTHONY 38:44

I am.

NALEE 38:44

I'm not judging, I'm not judging anybody. I'm gonna just put that out there.

ANTHONY 38:47

I really am not judging you.

NALEE 38:48

But to each Yeah, to each their own. Exactly. But you know It's a no for me. It's a no for you. So it's just blood? Did you say it was just blood? What was the other one?

ANTHONY 39:00

Blood and like feces.

NALEE 39:02

Oh feces. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't if you're using your poop, your pee, y'all some fucking farm animals. I can't. Ew. I heard that.

ANTHONY 39:14

Two girls, one cup.

NALEE 39:15

Oh, I can't. That shit. That I can't.

ANTHONY 39:20

No.

NALEE 39:21

I would just like to put on the pod that if Shivah, if you listen to this, Shabbat was one of my best friends in high school.

ANTHONY 39:29

Where are you going right now?

NALEE 39:30

Oh, I was just saying that he was like the first one to watch it with me. And like, I think that like that was the initial like moment in our friendship where we're like, yeah, this is awkward and this is fucked up. But yeah.

ANTHONY 39:48

Oh, if you're gonna be traumatized, you might as well be traumatized with a good friend.

NALEE 39:51

Yes. But just shouting out Shiva and our little trauma bond there. It's been a hot minute since I've heard from him. But anyways, what is your topic? Let's move on to the next topic because that took like 30 minutes. 40 minutes, actually.

ANTHONY 40:42

40 minutes. So mine was well, I had two, so just for time purposes, I'm only gonna select one.

NALEE 40:51

Okay.

ANTHONY 40:51

Couples fighting in public restaurants. Have you ever heard of it?

NALEE 40:54

I fucking love that shit. I fucking love that shit.

ANTHONY 40:58

This is why we're friends. I've never had the opportunity to see anything like that, but I am living for the day that I get to experience.

NALEE 41:09

Yeah, no. Y'all already know me. I'm that, I'm that nosy bitch where like they're arguing and I'm in the I'm in the bush trying to like file the bushes, branches, and shit. And be like, oh yeah? Yeah, what's up? What's going on? You know, like I'm that bitch. Nosy not lee. We already said it. But yeah, I live for that shit. Like, I live for the drama. I live for like the bigger the argument, the better.

ANTHONY 41:34

The more public.

NALEE 41:36

Yeah, that too.

ANTHONY 41:38

Why do you think that is? Why do you think that you enjoy that?

NALEE 41:42

Because I got issues. Therapy's booked. I got issues. Yeah. I think it's also because I'm used to being an observer. And like when things get like out of pocket, I'm just like, oh, well, this escalated quickly. You know? Or it could be that the attention is off of me, and for once I could pay attention to somebody else. It could be that too. I don't know.

ANTHONY 42:06

Do you hear this? She thinks everybody is like watching her and all the attention's normally on her otherwise.

NALEE 42:12

Well, it is what it is.

ANTHONY 42:15

I think for me, I think that I really want to experience that and I would enjoy something like that only because like if it's somebody breaking up with somebody, I feel like the mentality is like if I take them out to eat and we're in a public setting, it won't happen. So then when it happens, I'm like, bitch.

SPEAKER_01 42:37

Kind of a thing. You instigating hoe.

ANTHONY 42:40

I'm not instigating nothing.

NALEE 42:43

I think it's even I wouldn't say it's I get okay, maybe I rephrase it. Do you think it's bet like I wouldn't say I'm not gonna say better, but do you think it's more entertaining when it's somebody you know, or if it's somebody like a random ass stranger.

ANTHONY 43:01

A random stranger. Because I think if it's somebody that I know I'm gonna feel for them a little bit more. Yeah, I'm gonna go. It's gonna be a lot a little bit more empathy. Unless it's somebody I don't like, then I'm really gonna be living for it.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

You're like, beat that bitch up. Yeah.

ANTHONY 43:21

Yeah. I'll be like, I'll be the one in the back, be like, she called you fat.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She said you had a small dick anyway. Check your text messages.

NALEE 43:32

Yeah. But I agree. I think if it's somebody who I didn't know, I think it'd be more entertaining because I wouldn't have to like, it'd be easier for me to uh disassociate and be like, oh dang, y'all fucked up. Tell me more. You know. But yeah.

ANTHONY 43:51

So it's like if we if I was ever, if I went out to eat and like, oh, I saw Melissa and Scott there, and then they they got into it at the restaurant and had a big scene or something. And then I'm just like slinking down. I'm like, don't come and sit by me. Don't sit by me.

Public Drama, Breakups, And Proposals

NALEE 44:09

I'd be like, Anthony, guess what happened? But I yeah. I don't know. I I think I've seen a handful of them, but I'm usually like, oh, I think I don't know if that like okay, I don't know if this falls into the realm of that. But does that include like if your friends got into a fight with somebody else, or is it just couples? We're talking about Valentine's Day, so it's just couples, never mind.

ANTHONY 44:37

Yeah, I think couples are just I think when you know they're a couple, and especially if it's on like a Valentine's Day, or like you know that it's a couple that's like celebrating their anniversary or something, it's even that much better.

NALEE 44:49

You know what I really would want to experience?

ANTHONY 44:52

Please tell me. Please tell me, because I I'm hoping we're we're twinning right now.

NALEE 44:57

Okay. I'm hoping I want to ex- I want to be there when like either the husband or the wife shows up to their partner like like fully cheating on them and they're just like, what are you doing here?

unknown 45:09

Yeah.

NALEE 45:09

Yes.

ANTHONY 45:10

That's not where I was going, but I was like, Okay, where were you going? I well, another thing that I want to really experience in my in my lifetime is I want to witness a proposal that gets turned out. Sounds so I'm a horrible person. Judge me all you want.

NALEE 45:29

No, okay, I agree. Like, I want to see what the reactions of that is.

ANTHONY 45:34

Like, I want to see like how awkward would that be in a public setting.

NALEE 45:45

But damn, like, just think about the damage and the after effect where everybody's like, yay, yay, and then they're like, oh, keep going.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

Like, let's not, let's pretend do something, let's mop the floor or something, you know?

ANTHONY 45:59

How would you handle that situation? Like, let's say you went out to eat.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

Okay.

ANTHONY 46:04

And your significant other, your part you're whoever you're dating, right? You're you're single, you're just dating somebody, you went out to eat, and they proposed to you in a public setting, and you were like, you didn't want to marry them. How would you handle that situation?

SPEAKER_01 46:19

Ooh, that's really tough. I don't know.

NALEE 46:26

That's really hard. I got it. What would you do?

ANTHONY 46:29

My analytical brain, here's what I would do. I would pull them in for an embrace and hug them and give the illusion that I'm saying yes, but I would, while everybody is cheering or watching on, I'm whispering in their ear, we will discuss this when we get home. I cannot answer right now.

NALEE 46:50

Yeah, okay.

ANTHONY 46:51

Or like something along those lines.

NALEE 46:53

That's very good. That's very subtle. I like that. If it was like I don't want to make a scene, but Yeah, if it was me, I would just say I think I would just be honest with them right there and then. And But the thing is though, I don't know if I would be with somebody who I don't feel see potential with. So I don't know if I'll ever try to put myself in that situation. You know what I mean? Like that's the thing. I'm also thinking over here, we're like, I would never put myself in a situation to be with somebody who I know I won't either marry or be with. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think I'll ever be in that situation.

ANTHONY 47:33

Yes, I understand what you're saying, but here's my question to you. At what point do you end a relationship because you don't see a future with them? Because you were obviously you obviously you started dating them for a reason.

NALEE 47:45

Okay.

ANTHONY 47:45

Like at what point are you like, nope, we're done?

NALEE 47:49

Immediately when you feel that. Honestly, that's the thing. Okay. So you don't get triggered now.

ANTHONY 47:55

Okay, so I just gotta ask this question. So you don't think that you could be in a relationship with somebody for a year without knowing whether or not you see a future with them? Is that too long to be in a relationship with somebody?

NALEE 48:07

Okay, I don't I don't know if I have a timeline for that. I don't know if the timeline matters to me. I don't think the timeline matters.

ANTHONY 48:14

Well, and the reason I'm gonna cut you off, I'm sorry, but the reason that I'm asking is because, okay, so you've been in a relationship with this person for a year. Okay. You just said that you don't see a timeline. So you've been with them for a year. How do you know that you can't see a future with them if like you're still with them after 12 months?

NALEE 48:33

I don't know. People's feelings change. I understand. I understand where you're coming from. Again, I feel like there's more to that. Like, I don't know. Like, that's the thing. I don't think I would date anybody for that long if I know I wasn't gonna want to be with them for the rest of my life.

ANTHONY 48:52

But how do you know that you don't want to be with them?

NALEE 48:55

Because you start, the moment you start nitpicking things like, oh, I don't like this about them. I don't want to do this. This is a deal breaker for me. This person's dick is too small, uh, her tits are weird looking. The moment you start nitpicking stuff like that, it's when you really should start reevaluating if you actually want to be with this person because either one, again, attachment issues where you're an avoidant whatever, or if you really are just trying to be with this person because you're trying to get ass. You know what I mean? Because there's those situations where you're like, oh yeah, I like fucking this person. They're really nice, they're genuine, but I don't want to hurt their their feelings. You're hurting their feelings by not being honest with your own feelings in the first place. Like if you don't go ahead.

ANTHONY 49:39

No, go ahead. Go ahead. You're triggered.

NALEE 49:41

Us take a seat. But you know, like, I I don't know. My thing is, and this should be everybody's thing. I'm I'm just gonna say that. If the moment you start questioning if you like a person or not, that's when you need to talk to them and be like, hey, I'm feeling this way, and you know, I'm having these feelings. And it's up, it's not up to that other person to like convince you, but they can reassure you that, hey, you know what? You know, I think these things are like little things you don't have to worry about, or they you guys could talk it out instead of you fucking keeping it to yourself, and then I don't know, a year later, you don't waste your whole fucking time, and then you, you know, at this point, you're like, oh, like I can't stand this anymore. And you bubble up those feelings, and then, you know, you leave them in a shitty position, and you're over here trying to be selfish and you're over here trying to do things for yourself because you spent a whole ass year thinking about how you don't like this person. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 50:41

Yeah, I get that, but I like I get when you're nitpicking, that's really a time that you need to start like asking yourself those questions and re-evaluating things. Maybe I didn't know. But if you've been with No, I mean you didn't, but you kind of went off on like a different path, but the same path. But I'm just saying if you're with somebody for 12 months, you're not nitpicking, there's no issues, you enjoy the relationship. Okay. Um, everything's fine between the two of you. The sex life is good, the communication is great, everything's good, but as of this moment in time at month 12, you don't see yourself with them, but you don't not see yourself with them. So, like, then you have to talk to the person.

NALEE 51:24

You still have to talk to the person, regardless. That's part of communication. If you're feeling some sort of way, you have to share them.

ANTHONY 51:32

You said that if you don't see a future with them, you would have broken it off. So my question is, is at what point would you be able to say that you see a future? Because, like, let's say again, the 12-month example. Everything's great. Month 12, you don't see a future with them, but by month 13, you do see a future with them. Or you would see a future with them, but you don't know that in month 12 they propose. Are you breaking up with them because you don't see a future with them at this point in time? But you also don't not see a future with them at this point in time?

First Dates On Valentine’s Day

NALEE 52:09

I think that's a very hard situation because the thing is obviously the other person Okay, let's put this in perspective. So we're gonna talk about it in the perspective of the person who's proposing, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. So the thing is, in my professional opinion, when you here's the thing. The thing is when you it it all comes down to needing to have a conversation with your partner, whether it's been a year, 10 years, whatever. You need to let them know that, you know, if let's just say, right, at that moment where we went the route where you hugged the person and say, hey, let's talk about this at home, right? And you don't know if you want to be with this person or not. When you get to that discussion, it's the responsibility of both parties where you let the in the view of the person who's getting proposed to, you need to let them know that, hey, like, you know, I'm having a great time with you. Like, you know, I I feel like we're getting along. We've been dating for a year now, but I'm just not there yet. You need to be honest. You need to lay the cards out and let them know that, you know, as much as you are enjoying their company, as much as you love them, you do see potential. But as of right now, like you can't commit to that. You need to let that person know. And in reverse of the person who's proposing, I think that's a sign for you to kind of step back and see where your partner is at. Because if you if you're moving too fast, then you won't, you can't allow for your partner to catch up. But if your partner is behind and you still want to just keep moving forward, then it's not gonna be now, but later down the road, there's gonna be resentment that's gonna build. They're gonna be like, oh, well, you forced me into like being with you, you know, and stuff like that. So I think when you're in that situation, yes, it's unfortunate, but I would prefer you to be honest and be like, hey, at that moment where they're proposing, like you said, we I think we need to have a bigger conversation. It's not that I'm rejecting you, it's just we need to talk about it. And I can't give you an answer compared to saying yes and then going home and being like, Oh yeah, by the way, like I actually don't want to marry you. Or saying no right away to humiliate them. And then they're gonna feel rejected, and then they're gonna be like, what the fuck? Well, we've been together for a whole last year, and you know, like I have I've been feeling all these things about you. I've been telling you how I feel, but here you are. Now, just when the big moment comes and I'm asking you to meet me halfway, you can't do that. And they're gonna feel rejected. They're gonna like, they're probably gonna hate you a little bit. They're probably gonna be like, what the fuck? And I think at that point, people tend to like either shut down or they just fucking leave, you know? So let's not be cowards, let's be honest, let's share your thoughts, have a conversation.

ANTHONY 55:27

We should implement a rule across the land that people do like a monthly check-in when they're dating to see like where they're at.

NALEE 55:36

And I don't think it's too soon to even have those conversations, even within a month in, because bitch, I ain't got no fucking time to waste.

SPEAKER_04 55:44

Yeah.

NALEE 55:45

Like it within a month, if you don't feel if you're not vibing with me, if you're not if you like, if you're playing a part that you don't want to play, like tell me now. Cause if a year from now, you'll be acting the fucking same, but I need more, you know, commitment. I need more, more from you. And I think this is equal as wanting more as like growth. I want to grow with you. I want to have goals. I want to do all these things. And if at that time you tell me that, oh, by the way, this was just all casual to me, you don't waste a fucking year of my life. And you better not be pissed at me and how I like react towards you, towards your actions and stuff like that. Like, you don't get to dictate how I fix myself. You don't get to dictate how I feel based on your poor fucking choices and your poor actions, you know?

ANTHONY 56:39

Yes, ma'am.

NALEE 56:41

But yeah, that's how I see it.

ANTHONY 56:43

That's how Nolly sees it.

NALEE 56:45

Yeah.

ANTHONY 56:46

That was one thing that I've I never understood. Have you ever had one of these conversations? So I see this a lot in like movies and like television shows where they're like, you know, the guy or the girl will throw up the comment. Well, we weren't exclusive. We never discussed being exclusive. Or, you know, something along those lines. Have you ever had that conversation with somebody? Because I don't, I don't feel like I've ever had that conversation. I don't feel like in the real world, people do have that conversation.

NALEE 57:15

I don't think I've ever had that conversation, but my thing is when I'm your girlfriend, yeah. When I'm your girlfriend, I expect us to be exclusive. When you put your dick inside me, was that exclusive? That's violent.

ANTHONY 57:28

I mean, for those five minutes it was.

NALEE 57:30

Yeah, exactly. So it's just like, I done held your dick in my pussy. How exclusive do you need to be? You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 57:39

Like she clenched. She clenched it.

NALEE 57:41

Yeah, like it's it's just like, I don't know. I think that, but at the same time, I think the dating world right now, it's very different. Where I think people are expected to be like, oh, by the way, this is just sex to me. And if you're okay with that, then it is what it is. But I think they're a little bit more candid now compared to like people our age and older, where they just expect you to be fucking mind readers and play blues clues with you. Like, oh, I've been fucking you, but I don't want to like do nothing with you. Like, no, you need to tell me what the fuck you want.

ANTHONY 58:16

Like, but I feel like in those situations, there's a lot of red flags that like people ignore.

NALEE 58:20

Oh, a thousand percent.

ANTHONY 58:22

Like, okay. Yeah, he texts you every Friday at 2 15 in the morning. You up?

NALEE 58:30

Bro, come on, like, pussy. That's it.

ANTHONY 58:32

Yeah, like it's not clocking.

NALEE 58:34

It's not clocking. Exactly. But we gotta be smarter, we gotta be kinder, first of all. And we gotta be honest. Y'all stop wasting people's fucking time, man. Pissing me off. But yeah.

unknown 58:49

Okay.

ANTHONY 58:50

Time is invaluable.

NALEE 58:53

Did you want to add anything else to that first segment that took us an hour?

ANTHONY 58:59

No, just that apparently I'm sure that I'm gonna expect some backlash that I get excited over people having public arguments and that I really want to see a flopped proposal.

NALEE 59:13

You and me both. You and me both. So it's okay. They could judge us.

ANTHONY 59:17

Yeah. It's not that I'm like enjoying it.

NALEE 59:20

I mean, I probably will, but like I'd be like, damn, bro, like damn. But I'm gonna still feel bad. Like, fuck. I probably would be like, she's not your person. It's okay. That's what I would do. I'm gonna be honest. I probably would say that to the person. Or he's a good one. Would you really? I think I would. Yeah, I think I would.

ANTHONY 59:41

I would watch from my table eating, and then like after it was over, I'd be like, Yeah, I think I would because he put his or whoever, they put their heart and soul to like propose.

NALEE 59:55

I think it takes a lot of guts to just be like, y'all, I'm gonna propose to you right now in front of a thousand people. Hundreds of people I'm gonna have the chance to humiliate myself, but I'm gonna do it anyways, because that's how much I love you. But if you reject me, then that person is in your person. I'm just gonna say that right now. Y'all go home and have that talk. But the thing, and like I've what is it? This is from Mr. Matthew McConaughey. It was like an interview that I saw him say. It's not all right, all right, all right. It's he says that, you know, in a in a partnership. So what I was gonna say was, like Mr. Matthew McConaughey said, in a partnership, there's always these two things that's happening. Either you're ahead of your partner and you have to walk while they're running to catch up to you, or you or it's the opposite, where you're running and your person is waiting to catch up, waiting for you to catch up. And I think in situations of like proposals and stuff, I think, yes, there are moments where you're not in the same space, but when it comes to commitment, if you or the other person is not in the like, if you don't have the capacity to meet that person, I think it's best for you to just let them go. Because the thing is, what if I propose to you from a year from now and you're still at the same space? You're stay still at the same spot. You still feel like you're not ready, then that's not your person. You need somebody to meet you where you're at. You know what I mean? Like if I propose to you and you're like, oh, you know, if you're like, oh my God, like I'm I'm so ready to jump into this with you, then yeah, go ahead and be with that person. But if that person's rejecting you or they're saying no, it's not a reflection of you, it's a reflection of them that they're not ready to be where you're at. And time short, you cannot wait for people to always catch up with you. You can find somebody who will be at the same pace as you are, who's willing to walk hand in hand with you. Yeah, sometimes you're running, sometimes you're walking, but when it comes time to agree to a commitment, especially when you're proposing, you're trying to commit yourself to this person for the rest of your life, quote unquote. You have to be at the same spot. And if you're not, that's not your person.

ANTHONY 1:02:16

I agree with that. Yeah. I think that that was very, very well said. And I've never heard that thing from Matthew McConaughey. So if you have that video, send it to me. I'd love to see it.

Who Pays The Bill And Why

NALEE 1:02:30

Okay. Yeah, I will. All right. Well, on to our next segment, which is dating on Valentine's Day is a red flag. Let's talk about dating.

ANTHONY 1:02:41

Or as I like to call it, auditioning for someone who doesn't know what they want.

NALEE 1:02:47

That's so true. Okay, let's start with your topics. What did you want to talk about?

ANTHONY 1:02:53

Valentine's Day first dates. I feel like this is a big no-no for me. And I will low-key judge people who do this. So, like, if you went out and you met a guy at a bar, or a guy came up to you in the mall and asked you on a date, and you guys chang exchanged numbers, he thought you were cute, and the first date is on Valentine's Day, that's a lot of fucking pressure.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:27

That's a lot of pressure.

ANTHONY 1:03:29

I feel like the majority of women don't come for me, but they really do like look into the whole Valentine's Day thing, and like they do love the love love. They love love, you know?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:43

They love love.

ANTHONY 1:03:44

So it's like when you ask your girl out and she says yes, and you plan, and your first date is on Valentine's Day. Boy, you in for it. You setting yourself up for some shit.

NALEE 1:03:56

Yeah, I agree with that. I think when you do it like, and not just on Valentine's Day, Christmas, any kind of holidays where people are like bound to have memories, they have like it's those core memory moments.

ANTHONY 1:04:11

Yes.

NALEE 1:04:12

That when it comes to, you know, obviously professing your love to somebody or dating on any kind of occasion, I think you fall into you set yourself up for failure a little bit. Because I think the thing is here's the thing.

ANTHONY 1:04:34

The thing is, here's the thing.

NALEE 1:04:37

Like you are setting expectations for the next occasion. You're setting expectations for the next holiday, for the next Valentine's Day. And I do agree, y'all could come for me, but I think sometimes women or men or whoever, sometimes they have a high expectation because they're like, oh, well, let's see if he tops last year. I think that's unfair because Yeah, of course, you want your man to pamper you, you want your woman to cook for you. But realistically, what if I what if he works on the Valentine's Day? He ain't got time. What if like you guys are low on cash? What if you guys are running to some issues? And then you use that first date or that first time to compare to every moment afterwards. I think it's unfair for you to compare that. And then whoever who's making that big like the big thing happen, I guess. I'm trying to look for the word, but I don't know the word. When you're you're fixed.

ANTHONY 1:05:47

Oh, I'm just waiting for you.

NALEE 1:05:48

No, sorry. Whoever initiated that moment or that momentum, that memory, like the your partner is gonna expect for you to top that. And again, it's unfair. So then you're setting yourself up for failure because obviously, if you love that person, you want to show them that, oh, well, if I you know, I love her. I love him. I wanna I wanna show her how much I love her by expressing to doing A, B, C, and D. You know what I mean? But I think let's say if people also take it too personally. I guess that's probably the best way to put it, is that like, you know, because I was able to, I don't know, buy you a ticket to Bali on our first Valentine's date. And then all of a sudden, the second year, I'm like, hey, let's just stay home and watch Netflix and chill. And then all of a sudden, that other person feels disappointed because they're like, well, last year you took me to Bali. I think people, okay. Who the hell is becoming that? I'm just saying, I'm manifesting that for me. But I'm saying Take me with you. Yeah. People have high expectations that are unrealistic too when it comes to dating or when it comes to um grand gestures. That's what I was trying to say. But yeah, don't do it. It don't do it. Don't do it with it. Don't do it. Don't do it.

ANTHONY 1:07:08

You you phrased it a lot better than I did. Like a first date should never occur on a holiday. Especially Valentine's Day.

NALEE 1:07:16

Because let's just say, I don't know, five years down the road, and like you don't have feelings for this person anymore, you lead them. You fucking scarred them. Every Valentine's Day is gonna be a fucked up day for them. Every Christmas is gonna be a fucked up day for them. Every New Year's, it's gonna be fucked up day for them. It's just like compared to a fucking Tuesday on the 16th of I don't know, July.

ANTHONY 1:07:41

Yeah, just do a random Tuesday night.

NALEE 1:07:43

Yeah, it's like, oh, it's a Tuesday night, whatever, you know? Nothing special. But like on holidays, you get reminded of the shit that you've gone through, you know? And I mean, I'm not saying that it's gonna happen. I'm just saying, don't do it. Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.

ANTHONY 1:07:59

Yeah.

NALEE 1:07:59

Mama's telling you to not do it. Listen to me, okay?

ANTHONY 1:08:03

Stop while you're ahead.

NALEE 1:08:05

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:08:06

Date nights.

NALEE 1:08:07

And this date too? Go ahead.

ANTHONY 1:08:08

Date nights for people who like, especially like a first date, I feel like the date night, it should be required that it has to be like a Monday through Friday or a Monday through Thursday.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:19

You think so? Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:08:21

Just because I'm thinking like, I don't want to waste my Friday night going on my first date with somebody. What if it's not a good what if it's not a good date? Now my Friday night's all janked up.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:08:31

Saturday night, I want to go party. Sunday will be my recoup day, but like Yeah.

unknown 1:08:36

Yeah.

NALEE 1:08:37

That's a good that's a good rule. I like that. Because the thing too is you see how they prioritize prioritize you on the weekdays. Like, why are we only meeting on the weekends? Why can't we meet on the meet on the weekdays? 'C these may be days that I need you the most. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 1:08:52

Yeah. And it provides the opportunity to be like, fuck, I gotta work eight to five today. But I got a date today after work.

NALEE 1:09:00

Or if it's a bad date, you could be like, I gotta work tomorrow. It was nice meeting you. See? Exactly.

unknown 1:09:08

Yes.

NALEE 1:09:09

Period.

ANTHONY 1:09:10

Look at us. Solving the world's problems.

NALEE 1:09:12

Exactly. First world problems.

ANTHONY 1:09:15

First world problems. Going on a first date on a Saturday night.

NALEE 1:09:19

Exactly. All right. I forgot what I was gonna say, so it's fine.

ANTHONY 1:09:23

Okay.

NALEE 1:09:23

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:09:24

If you remember, you can come back to it.

NALEE 1:09:26

Okay. What was your other topic?

ANTHONY 1:09:28

Oh, what was yours?

NALEE 1:09:30

Oh, okay. Well mine would be I only have one topic for this sub seg segment. God damn, I can't fucking talk. Can I ever fucking talk? Damn. I don't know. It's like I do it. It's like I do it every time. Sorry, y'all. We're professionals here. It's a bit that I'm doing.

ANTHONY 1:09:52

She's she's this is her audition for SNL.

NALEE 1:09:55

Exactly. It's a bit. Okay, so my my God, I got issues today. Holy shit. My subject that I wanted to talk about was splitting the bill on Valentine's Day. How do you feel about that?

ANTHONY 1:10:11

As a couple? Is this a couple that's splitting the bill? Well, the reason I'm asking is because I mean we just talked about people who go on their first date on Valentine's Day.

NALEE 1:10:19

This would be, I think this would be more for Valentine's Day if it's your first date and you split the bill. Because obviously, when you're a couple, you already have that figured out. Like, oh, I'm gonna pay for dinner today, or yeah, I'll pay for dinner because it's for Valentine's Day or whatever. You know what I mean? But if it's a first date, you know what I mean?

ANTHONY 1:10:39

If it's again, if it's a first, this just mucks the water even more. So not only are you asking somebody out for a first date on Valentine's Day, now you're asking them to split the bill. That is a fucking red flag. And whoever is being asked to split the bill, bitch, run. Run far away, hide your block the number, pay your half of the bill, and leave. Get up from the table and leave. Never see that person again.

NALEE 1:11:12

That leads to a on my next question. Do you think then that when let's just say, let's cut the Valentine's part out. When it's a first date, right? Do you think it's fair to say that the man should pay for the bill or whoever I think the whoever asked the other person out is responsible for the bill. Okay.

ANTHONY 1:11:37

Unless unless it was predetermined, like, hey, do you would you go out with me, but like we're gonna go Dutch?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:43

What does that mean?

ANTHONY 1:11:45

When you go Dutch, it means you each pay for your own.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:48

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

ANTHONY 1:11:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:52

I never know that.

ANTHONY 1:11:53

But also, that also reflects poorly on the person. Like, if I'm asking you out, like Nolly, like if I'm asking you out to dinner like for a date, in my mind, the expectation is I'm asking you out, I'm paying for your meal. I'm taking you out. Like that's the like that's chivalry, like, right?

Pegging, Prostates, And Myths

NALEE 1:12:16

Like, I agree. Honestly, I thought that was just what people do. Like, even sometimes, like if I asked my girlfriends to go out to eat or whatever, and I'm like, oh, let's go. If I'm the one inviting you, I'm gonna pay for it. I'm not exposing you to, you know what I mean?

ANTHONY 1:12:32

I feel like when it's friends, it's different. Like if you like as friends, if I asked you to go out, I like I'm not I'm not paying for your fucking dinner.

NALEE 1:12:42

You go ahead and wrong food.

ANTHONY 1:12:44

Hell no.

NALEE 1:12:45

Okay, maybe it's just me then.

ANTHONY 1:12:46

Not trying to throw people under the bus, but I'm gonna throw Melissa under the bus right now. Because you know, if I was like, hey, Melissa, you wanna go out to eat? That bitch is probably gonna get the lobster, the steak, the$100 meal.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:57

She's like, bring me the home, please. And then you think I'm gonna be like, okay, I'll pay for it.

NALEE 1:13:03

Hell yeah. You're gonna be like, I'm gonna go use the bathroom real quick. I'll be back to pay for the bill.

ANTHONY 1:13:08

And you're gonna be like, you better be sucking my dick tonight.

NALEE 1:13:11

Period.

ANTHONY 1:13:12

You expect me to pay for this?

NALEE 1:13:14

Exactly. Yeah, that bitch would do that. No Melissa, yeah. She'd still be like, I'm not doing it.

ANTHONY 1:13:20

Just kidding. We love you, Melissa.

NALEE 1:13:21

Stick around. I know, we love you too. She just loves food, that's all.

ANTHONY 1:13:27

I think if you're asking somebody out on a date, it's your responsibility to pay for the bill. Unless it's initially set in stone that you're going Dutch and that Okay.

NALEE 1:13:39

I feel like that's a fair trade.

ANTHONY 1:13:41

I feel like that's a general expectation. I feel like that's an unwritten rule of society. Like that's a society that should be a societal norm. And then if you ask somebody out on a date and you're at dinner and it's time for the bill, and the waiter asks you, Are we doing, is it all together? Are we separate? I f so two things here. So one, I feel first and foremost, if you're on the date and you're not feeling it, prior to the waiter asking that question, you need to have a conversation with the person that you're on a date.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:12

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:14:12

And be like, I don't see this going anywhere. Like, can we just pay our own and go our separate ways? Damn. But, but on the other hand of that, you asked them out on a date for a reason. Like you don't know how the date was going to end, what the results of the date were gonna be. You should suck it up and pay for the bill, and then also then explain, like, hey, you know, I'm not feeling it. Let's lose my number. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:46

Lose my number.

ANTHONY 1:14:47

Suck my dick and then lose my number. Suck my dick and lose my number.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:51

Yeah, exactly.

ANTHONY 1:14:54

I'm not asking too much here.

NALEE 1:14:58

Yeah. Exactly.

ANTHONY 1:15:00

Get a great shape.

NALEE 1:15:01

Turn the butter for two seconds. That's it. Exactly. I fucking can't. A little rubba dub dub. That's it.

ANTHONY 1:15:10

A little rubba dub dub.

NALEE 1:15:12

Right. Did you have anything else you wanted to talk about in this segment?

ANTHONY 1:15:16

Well, so I mean, did you want to elaborate any more on your thoughts on splitting the bill?

NALEE 1:15:21

I think that I think that I agree with what you said, where I think it's just like a given thing where if you ask somebody out to dinner, if you are like in the dating phase, yeah, I think it's a given that you're gonna pay for dinner. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay, so I'm obvious.

ANTHONY 1:15:41

So I have a question for you. So you're dating somebody, right? I'm setting up the scene now. So you're dating somebody you've been dating three months. You like, you like the guy. It is what it is. You text him, you're both at work, both work nine to five. You text him on a random Wednesday and you're like, hey, do you want to go get dinner tonight? And he says, Yeah, sure. Are you expected to pay for that meal? Or are you expecting him to pay for the meal?

NALEE 1:16:12

Hell no, he's paying for that meal. The fuck?

ANTHONY 1:16:15

Even though you asked him to go to dinner.

NALEE 1:16:17

Damn right.

ANTHONY 1:16:19

Okay.

NALEE 1:16:19

Yeah. My man better come with a fucking bag. That's it. I'm telling any everybody right now, if you are like, if you date me or whatever, or anybody who is like me, expect to pay for all my meals, okay? That's it. I will I will give you a clean house, I will cook for you, I'll suck your dick real good, I'll do whatever you want me to do, any freaky diggy stuff, done. Except for pegging and anything to do with shit and pee. But baby, when it comes to my meals, I'ma get that for let me yon and you gonna pay for it. Gladly.

ANTHONY 1:16:58

Can I just revisit that whole pegging thing? I just want to note that I have read and seen more things lately that more and more heterosexual men are enjoying being pegged.

NALEE 1:17:12

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I also have a question to that to add on. So does that make them gay? No. It doesn't? No. But pegging is like having a dick in your butt.

ANTHONY 1:17:31

Isn't that like that's not what makes a person gay though?

NALEE 1:17:35

Okay. I don't know. I I'm ignorant to this. That's why I'm like it's like an actual question. Like, I want to know. And don't come for me. Y'all I'm being honest. And I'm sure y'all want to know this answer too.

ANTHONY 1:17:47

No, I I I appreciate it. Taking one for the team. I appreciate that question, and I wish that more people weren't afraid to ask questions like that. Because I like asking questions and I like getting to understand different things.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:01

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:18:02

But you have to remember that being homosexual is more than just the sexual acts. It's who they're attracted to.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:16

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:18:16

And then with regards to heterosexual men who enjoy being pegged, or some even like being rimmed.

NALEE 1:18:24

What's rimmed? That's interesting.

ANTHONY 1:18:27

They like their salad tossed.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:29

Like they like the girls who eat their ass? Yeah. Oh, that's what's called. Ew, that's so wrong.

ANTHONY 1:18:36

Because you're rimming. You're going around the rim.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:39

That's fucking nasty. Oh, okay. I mean, to each their own, but the word rimming is fucking.

ANTHONY 1:18:46

Oh, you're saying the word, not the act.

NALEE 1:18:48

No, no, no. The act is fine. You do what you gotta do. If you like eating nuttered, nuttered. If you like eating nutty chocolate, do what you gotta do. But rimmed, that that that's nasty. That word is gross.

ANTHONY 1:19:03

Okay, first of all, I don't know where the whole nutty chocolate thing came in.

NALEE 1:19:06

Like poop, and you got like little pieces of corn.

ANTHONY 1:19:10

It's called a shower. Do you not go back there?

NALEE 1:19:13

I do, but that's what I think of. But yeah, go ahead. Go ahead and talk about getting rimmed, uh-huh.

ANTHONY 1:19:20

Oh, not no, not talking about getting rimmed, but um as far as pegging goes, I feel like a lot of like macho men are like, oh, that shit's fucking gay. Your prostate is back there. Like that's how you reach the prostate, and that will like maximize your orgasm. If your pro like Yeah. Women have the G spot, men have their P spot. If you hit the P spot, you can you can come harder and like your orgasm is more intense.

Posting Partners Without Tagging

NALEE 1:19:51

That's so interesting. Yeah. That's so interesting. Okay, I'm gonna be stupid and I'm just gonna say this. Or okay. It's not that I'm gonna be stupid, but I'm gonna ask a stupid question or I'm gonna have a stupid comment here. Damn. Okay, I don't know. Maybe I'm gonna be real, I'm gonna look real fucking stupid, like at Anthony preparing himself for that.

ANTHONY 1:20:12

I know, I was just gonna say I'm preparing myself.

NALEE 1:20:15

Okay. I didn't know that like when you get your your peace bot hit, like you come. I thought it was just like, ugh, you know what I mean? I didn't know it was like an actual full-on ejaculation. Again, I'm ignorant to this shit, so I don't know. I'm asking because I I just want to educate myself, but I didn't know that. I mean, I knew that there that's where their like gland is, but I didn't know that they like jizzed. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 1:20:41

Yeah, it maximizes their orgasm if it's being like stimulated and pleasured the the prostate.

NALEE 1:20:49

Okay. Cause my thing is backwards thinking. Like, obviously, you know, you're used to seeing like guys jack off or like obviously the dick going inside the puss and I'm used to it.

ANTHONY 1:21:00

Yeah, watch it every day. I'm watching it right now.

NALEE 1:21:06

But but you're used to, I'm used to seeing it come that way.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:11

Like, I don't I don't know what a better way to word that, but I'm gonna just say it with with however I said it.

NALEE 1:21:18

I'm used to seeing cum coming out of their dick from the front and when they're doing that way. However, I wouldn't have thought that like when you're getting pegged or like when you're getting fucked from the the butt in like the man's point of view that you could just come like that. You know what I mean? It's just kind of like where did it come from? Like you're not doing anything to yourself in the front way, but you're getting stimulated in the back. Like, where did that come from? And because the prostate's being pleasure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm just like, oh. Look at you teaching me things about the dick and the prostate and shit. Who would have thought?

ANTHONY 1:21:54

I can teach you all the things about sex that I know.

NALEE 1:21:59

Wow. That was magical.

ANTHONY 1:22:01

Magical.

NALEE 1:22:02

Yeah. Okay. Well, now that we're done talking about the prostate and coming and shit, what else do you want to talk about?

ANTHONY 1:22:10

Well, I see that I kind of took away your topic for this segment, so I apologize.

NALEE 1:22:14

Oh, it's okay. We've already talked about it.

ANTHONY 1:22:17

Yeah. You wanted to talk about public proposals.

NALEE 1:22:19

Yeah, but that's cool. We good.

ANTHONY 1:22:22

Okay. One thing that I do respect people for, and I do think that this is I think it depends on the situation, but like posting someone but not tagging them. And this we've kind of talked about before. But I'm I when when I say that, I'm thinking of like you just got broken up with, and you're posting a picture with a new guy, knowing that your ex follows you and you're not tagging the person, so he remains a mystery, but it's out there, so your ex can see it, and you kind of rub a little salt in the wound that you're doing fine without them. I live for people that do that, and even more so when they do a photo of them like out where they're happy, and let's just say it's you, for example, and let's just say you're single and you just broke up with your your now ex and you're out having fun and you snap a picture, but like it's curated so that there's like a good thing. Yeah, you don't reveal anything about who they are. You can tell that you're clearly with a guy and you're having fun with him.

NALEE 1:23:34

Yeah, I love it. I do too. I'm just like, yes, do it, girl. Do it, dude. You got it. You know what I mean?

Single, Self-Love, And Spending

ANTHONY 1:23:44

I I watched this TikTok about a week ago, and it was a guy who him and his girlfriend broke up, and his guy friend was like, We're gonna post a picture up on Instagram for you to get back at your girl, and we're gonna, it's gonna be you with another girl. And he's like, Well, who's the girl gonna be?

NALEE 1:24:02

And his friend's like his friend, wasn't it?

ANTHONY 1:24:04

Yeah, his friend was like me. And he put on like fake press-on nails, put his hand on him. I'm like, that's a good bro, right there.

NALEE 1:24:12

That's a good friend. No, I love that. I saw a video of something similar where the girl was the girl's best friend, like she had broken up and then she went full on out. Like, she wore the guy's pants, his guy's shoes, like the sizing that's a little bit bigger than hers. And they took photos of her sitting on her friend's lap and taking like the up, like the up view, like the top view, I should say, of the shoes and her friend and everything. That is what you call a fucking ride or die bitch. Yeah. Yes. You play into your friend's delusion. That's it.

ANTHONY 1:24:49

As as much as I hate like the curated stuff on social media, I do love those, those curated photos that are meant to be petty towards an ex.

NALEE 1:25:00

A thousand percent.

ANTHONY 1:25:01

And the thing I'm just a cynical, pessimistic, petty bitch.

NALEE 1:25:06

It's okay. We're we're alike. I get it. I get it, boo. That's why we're on the same level. We are on the same wavelength. That's this is for life. That's what's up. This is for life. For life. Yes. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I agree with you. I think that person deserves those little moments. They are not entitled to share who they're being with. They're not entitled, they're not obligated, I should say, to share who they're being with or to share who that person is. If you wanna know, and if you're nosy like me, you would be like, hey, congrats. I see you're happy. You gonna tell me a little bit about this new man? You know? Who this new man?

ANTHONY 1:25:42

Exactly. Oh, that's my friend Shaniqua.

NALEE 1:25:45

Yeah, who this new boo, you know. But I love that. It's you gotta you gotta play a little bit, you gotta live life a little bit, you gotta keep people on their toes. So 100%. Yeah. You do you boo.

ANTHONY 1:26:01

You do you, boo. I'm happy for you.

NALEE 1:26:03

Exactly.

ANTHONY 1:26:04

Anything else that you wanted to add for this?

NALEE 1:26:07

That's it. That's it for me.

ANTHONY 1:26:10

All right, that's it for me. We're gonna move on to our next segment. Single, unbothered, and lying just a little. Enough attacking relationships. I get it, I get it.

NALEE 1:26:22

Now let's attack ourselves. I mean, we do that on the daily race. Exactly. You see it? Same way like. We're here, we're here. Exactly. It's clacking in, it's clacking in. That's what's fun. Yeah, yeah. All right, so one. Oh, go ahead.

ANTHONY 1:26:42

Yeah, no, I was gonna say, what do you have?

NALEE 1:26:45

So again, we're talking about chaotic single core subtopics. Mine is buying yourself gifts and calling it self-love. I think that that's a hundred percent healing, a hundred percent retail therapy. Again, you do you boo. Whatever makes you happy, do it. You only get one life, and you know, don't allow people to waste your time. If you want that cake, bitch, buy the whole fucking cake. If you want that coat, buy the buy two coats. It's your money, you do with what you want with it. You know, don't ever let anybody dictate that.

ANTHONY 1:27:20

I agree with that, with a caveat. What are you drinking?

NALEE 1:27:24

Oh, bit of cocoa.

ANTHONY 1:27:26

Oh, do you that's coconut water, right?

NALEE 1:27:28

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:27:29

Oh yeah, look at you. So I agree with what you're saying.

NALEE 1:27:35

By the way.

ANTHONY 1:27:39

So I agree with you, but I will say there is a caveat. Because one thing, one thing that I've noticed as I've gotten older is that I do in the back of my mind, I'm always trying to be a little bit more financially responsible.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:53

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:27:54

So do you do what you need to do, do the the the retail therapy, buy what you want to buy, but be realistic with it.

NALEE 1:28:05

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:28:06

That's all I'm not gonna preach to anybody, but that's all I'm gonna say. Like some sometimes you do need your bank account doesn't like it. So sometimes you do need to take a step back and be like, is this really a need or a want? And if it's a want, is it something that I absolutely can't wait, you know, another month for?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:26

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:28:27

So like for me, like before I made that big purchase on like buying my MacBook, like I I kept putting it off and kept putting it off.

unknown 1:28:37

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:28:38

But then I got to the point where my laptop and I was like, my other MacBook, my original one, I was like, okay, I I I gotta bite the bullet.

NALEE 1:28:46

Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. I think when it comes to being an adult and obviously talking about like finances and stuff, I think I've learned to try to be a little bit more frugal. Because at the end of the day, yes, it's your money. And I'm going back on what I'm saying. But you're not going back on it.

ANTHONY 1:29:06

You're just encouraging people to be a little bit more responsible.

NALEE 1:29:09

Yeah, that too. But I'm saying buy the two coats, yes. But don't like, don't splurge too much, too. Like, you know, like I don't know. I don't know. To me, actually. Do it in moderation. Yeah. I take my I take my apology back there. Yes, do it in moderation, but at the same time, you do you. If you want to eat noodles for the rest of the month, do what you gotta do, you know. But do do whatever makes you happy. You were strong, you were single, and you was independent. So do what you gotta do.

ANTHONY 1:29:43

You finance your own own fun.

NALEE 1:29:47

What do we always say? What do we always say? If it ain't feeding me, if it ain't feeding you, if it ain't fucking you, if it ain't financing you, financing you. That's okay. Move along.

ANTHONY 1:29:57

Move along. So Yeah, I mean it's your money, you do what you want with it.

NALEE 1:30:02

Alright. And then my other one.

ANTHONY 1:30:05

I'm all for I just want to say, I just want to say one last thing. I am all for buying yourself gifts and like treating yourselves and giving yourself what you want.

NALEE 1:30:14

Yeah. Well, you better. Because you deserve it. Yeah, you deserve it. This is a public announcement. If you want that dick, go and get it. If you want that purse, go and get it. You deserve it. Okay.

ANTHONY 1:30:29

I don't know that I would pay for a dick.

NALEE 1:30:31

You can though.

ANTHONY 1:30:32

You can, yeah.

Peace Over Attention

NALEE 1:30:33

Yeah, like if you've been looking for that, if you've been waiting to buy that fisting dildo, do it, girl. You deserve it.

ANTHONY 1:30:42

New challenge.

NALEE 1:30:44

I'm circling it back, remember? I'm circling it back.

ANTHONY 1:30:46

Circling it back, yeah.

NALEE 1:30:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you do it, you deserve it. You got this boo. All right. Well, I wanted to talk about realizing peace is. Is better than attention. Sometimes growth is painful, but you know, it is what it is. Life goes on.

ANTHONY 1:31:05

Yeah. I agree with that.

NALEE 1:31:08

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:31:09

I don't crave the attention anymore like I used to.

NALEE 1:31:12

Well, gee, that's a goddamn lie. Look at us on this fucking podcast.

ANTHONY 1:31:17

I don't want the attention though. I don't know.

NALEE 1:31:20

I will always want attention. I'm gonna just admit that I will always want attention. I don't give a fuck what anybody says.

ANTHONY 1:31:26

Yeah, you are.

NALEE 1:31:26

I don't give a fuck what I say either. Yeah, I don't see what it is.

ANTHONY 1:31:29

I was gonna say, as you're talking about realizing peace is greater than attention. Yes, bitch.

NALEE 1:31:38

I'm just stirring shit up like usual.

ANTHONY 1:31:40

But pot stirring.

NALEE 1:31:43

Exactly. But yeah, I think again, we're gonna talk about 2025 and like coming into 2026. I think as an adult you realize that your piece is more powerful and it's more meaningful than getting attention. You know?

ANTHONY 1:32:00

Yeah. Does make a huge difference to acknowledge the peace.

NALEE 1:32:06

Yeah. It does. Again, not not everybody needs to know what you're eating, not everybody everybody needs to know when you're pooping, except for on this podcast. But do what you gotta do. I think that's that's my motto for 2026. Do what you gotta do, boo.

ANTHONY 1:32:25

For you, for being your motto.

NALEE 1:32:28

Exactly. Period.

ANTHONY 1:32:30

I like that.

NALEE 1:32:31

Thank you.

ANTHONY 1:32:33

You're welcome. I love that.

NALEE 1:32:34

All right, but that's all I had. What is your thoughts on that?

ANTHONY 1:32:36

On realizing peace is greater than attention. I I'm all for that. Like I said, I don't crave the attention like I used to when I was younger, but I do think that this entire like topic of realizing this is I think it's something that comes more so with age. Because I feel like the y when the younger that we are and young people, like, that's what they want. That's all they want is they want attention. They want to be seen. They wanna and I think it's a lesson that they'll learn as they get older. Those people.

NALEE 1:33:06

Damn, I felt like you were just talking to myself.

ANTHONY 1:33:08

Because you're starting to see all these things.

NALEE 1:33:10

Yeah, I know. I talk getting old.

ANTHONY 1:33:13

I talk, and I don't know if I've ever like maybe I have mentioned this, but like I was, for our listeners and our viewers, I was raised by my grandma, so I definitely feel like I have that older mindset. And sometimes it does sound like I'm talking like I'm like 80 years old.

NALEE 1:33:28

I love that about you though. You're very wisdomful.

ANTHONY 1:33:31

I appreciate that. I just want to make sure that our listeners know that. I'm not trying to come off as like a old man or like a know-it-all or a hypocrite or anything. I'm just saying, like I really do.

NALEE 1:33:44

So what? That's okay. Those who mind don't matter, and those who m uh those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

ANTHONY 1:33:52

Period. Point blank period.

NALEE 1:33:53

Period. Period.

ANTHONY 1:33:54

Period. So yeah, so I'm all about that. And seeing that as the as you know, you get older and realizing that what's what's you start reevaluating and realizing what's more important in life.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:09

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:34:10

Because like you said earlier, you you only get one life. None of us are getting out of this life alive. So, you know, buy buy the coat, buy the two coats if it makes you happy. Enjoy that margarita on your deck in the middle of summer after a long, stressful day at work.

NALEE 1:34:29

Fuck those guidelines that are like you're only supposed to have one drink a day. Bitch, please. Yeah, you still traumatized with that shit.

ANTHONY 1:34:38

I am still traumatized for that. One drink a day. Bitch, bye. Actually, I think for men it's two drinks a day.

NALEE 1:34:45

Oh. Well, fuck that. Two drinks a day. Drink a whole fucking bottle.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:50

Yeah. Hell yeah. We're not gonna drink it. But I want to put a disclaimer out there.

NALEE 1:34:54

We're not encouraging you to drink, okay? We're just saying do it what you will at your own piece.

ANTHONY 1:35:00

I'm encouraging it. Carl, pour me a drink if you're pouring one for yourself.

NALEE 1:35:04

Okay. Well, I'm not encouraging, but Anthony is. You do you boo.

ANTHONY 1:35:08

You do you boo.

NALEE 1:35:09

I love that for you. I love that for you.

ANTHONY 1:35:11

Thank you.

NALEE 1:35:12

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:35:13

Now I'm not saying to down a bottle every single day.

NALEE 1:35:17

You can if you want to, but we're not saying that you should or shouldn't.

unknown 1:35:21

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:35:22

You can if you want to. Not saying if you should or you shouldn't, though. Okay, well, did was there anything else that you wanted to say about that before? That's it for me. Okay. So what I wanted to talk about was anti-Valentine's Day plans. What are your thoughts on these? I I never heard of these up until that movie. Well, I think it was called Valentine's Day, actually. Do you remember that movie that came out? Was it like 2012, I think?

NALEE 1:35:51

I don't think I've ever seen it. But is it the one with like all the famous actors and actresses like Taylor Swift, Emma Stone, and all that? Oh, she wasn't it. At Emma Stone. Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:36:00

Yeah.

NALEE 1:36:01

Yeah, I've never seen it.

ANTHONY 1:36:03

Okay. Yeah. So in that movie, they did like an ant like one of the girls, I think, was planning this big like anti-Valentine's Day dinner, and I don't think anybody showed up, if memory serves me right.

NALEE 1:36:16

Damn. I didn't know that people actually did that either. I didn't hear about it until how I met your mother. There's an episode where Barney, he like gets committed to, I think her name is Nita. I could be wrong. But it was like this Indian girl, and Robin is trying to like get over him. So then her friends have like an anti-Valentine's Day, and then they end up bailing, they ended up finding all dates, and then Robin's like by herself. But yeah, I didn't know that was a thing, but I kind of like that. I mean, I kind of like that. I like that.

ANTHONY 1:36:51

I I've always made the joke that like I always consider Valentine's Day National Singles Awareness Day.

NALEE 1:36:57

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:36:58

But just because they put so much emphasis on being with somebody and your perfect partner and going out to dinner and dancing and get the box of chocolates.

NALEE 1:37:09

Yeah. Why is that even a thing, to be honest? Like, why is that even a thing?

ANTHONY 1:37:13

It's capitalism.

NALEE 1:37:15

Yeah.

Anti‑Valentine’s Plans And Nostalgia

ANTHONY 1:37:16

I went and bought, oh my God. I was bitching about this. So I bought a bag of those, you know, those conversational candy hearts.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:24

Yeah, yeah. Oh my god, yes. Do you it was like seven bucks for a fucking bag? Is it a big bag?

SPEAKER_01 1:37:33

No. It's like this big. Oh, that's crazy. Seven bucks?

ANTHONY 1:37:39

Seven bucks. It's all about capitalism. They market this, they make this this big thing, and then us as the consumers fall into it and we're like, oh, we gotta get that box of chocolates. And now you go to the store and you get a box of chocolates and it's what, like 14 bucks?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:54

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:37:54

To get like a decent size one, or you can get like the I'm I'm sure they're not a dollar anymore, but they have those those little hearts with like the four pieces of chocolate in there.

NALEE 1:38:05

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

ANTHONY 1:38:06

They used to be a dollar, I think, and I'm sure they're more now.

NALEE 1:38:10

They're probably like, I don't know, five dollars now for all we know.

ANTHONY 1:38:13

Probably.

NALEE 1:38:14

Okay, this is the last side tangent that I'm gonna have. I think for Valentine's Day, it's gonna be nostalgia corner, but I fucking loved Valentine's Day and like elementary because they don't do that anymore. Like, you know, like the Valentine's Day cards and you go around passing to everybody. I fucking miss that.

ANTHONY 1:38:35

Okay, I'm so glad that you brought that up because I was thinking about that as I was going through our outline, and I was like, I really missed the days and rem did I don't know if you did this, but you got to like make and design your own cute little bag and you would like tape it to the front of your desk.

NALEE 1:38:50

Yeah, or like we had we did like mailboxes and they could drop it in there. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:54

And then cute little things like that.

NALEE 1:38:56

Yes. I don't know if people do that anymore. I don't know if like schools do that anymore. They probably do. But I feel like Valentine's Day's card Valentine's Day cards aren't hyped as much as they were like back then. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 1:39:09

Like the little the little ones or like the actual cards. No, the little, like the one that comes then like this 30 minutes, and it's like a couple of yeah, and then you have to per and they're perforated and you have to tear them and then you fold them and you got a little sticker. Did we?

NALEE 1:39:25

I don't remember. Yes, we did some I think somebody did it. I'm pretty sure.

ANTHONY 1:39:31

I was gonna say it's probably Janet.

NALEE 1:39:32

Yeah. I think it was Janet, but like, oh, those are like the best. Like I think I used to be like, I still have mine.

ANTHONY 1:39:41

As sad as that may sound.

NALEE 1:39:43

That's not sad. I have like cards that I've gotten throughout the years. Like I keep those cards. But yeah, like I used to get sad because there were times where like people would be like, oh, like go and give it to your Valentine's or whoever you want, you know? And sometimes you'd be scared that you wouldn't get one. But I think the great thing about that is regardless if you know it or not, everybody gives it to everybody. So you get one regardless. You know what I mean? Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:40:09

I can always give one to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:12

Oh, okay.

ANTHONY 1:40:13

Why would I give one to my bully?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:15

I don't know. I don't know. You do you boo. You do you boo.

NALEE 1:40:21

Oh, and it also reminds me of like like in high school, like people give away like carnations or like flowers. Like you could buy rose for somebody, right? Did you guys do that in high school? Yes. Yeah. Those are so cute. Yeah, those are so cute.

ANTHONY 1:40:35

Those were cute.

NALEE 1:40:36

Yeah. I mean, it's sad when you didn't get any, obviously, but I think it's nice buying it for like your friends, or obviously your crush or whatever.

ANTHONY 1:40:46

I should have thought to do that. I never did that for like my friends because I always just thought it was like you do it for your crush or you do it for your boyfriend or you do it for your girlfriend. I should have done it for my friends.

NALEE 1:40:58

Yeah. God. I think when when me and Milo went to school together, I always bought her flowers. If I remember correctly, I may be wrong. But I'm pretty sure I bought her like flowers every year for the years that we were together. Yeah. Ugh. Nostalgia. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. Okay, what else did you think?

ANTHONY 1:41:19

There's nothing there's nothing like that. Elementary school, Valentine, like those holidays in elementary school were probably the best.

NALEE 1:41:27

Core memory esque.

ANTHONY 1:41:29

Core memories.

NALEE 1:41:31

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:41:32

God, and I remember it was always like a competition to see who could get like the best Valentine's Day cards because they're there's always like, you know, there's Mickey Mouse, Scooby-Doo, like different TV shows and different, and it was always like a competition. Like who got the fun, like the cutest, the funniest, the best Valentine's cards.

NALEE 1:41:51

You know what the best like Valentine's Day candy was, like when it first came out? It was those fun dips.

ANTHONY 1:41:59

Oh.

NALEE 1:41:59

Oh. For me, it was the fun dips. Like, obviously, you could buy the fun dips on its own, but when they had the fucking Valentine's Day fun dips, I was like, this shit is about to fucking go down. Like it's that's what I'm saying. What was the difference? I don't know. It was for Valentine's Day.

ANTHONY 1:42:15

Oh. I really liked the it was really lame, but just like the red heart suckers that had the white, like it had like a shape on it, and then it was white. So it would almost like tattoo your tongue.

NALEE 1:42:29

Yeah, that's pretty lame.

ANTHONY 1:42:31

And those yeah, they were so good though. I no, I know it's lame. Like of all things.

NALEE 1:42:37

I don't know. I don't know. I did some pretty stupid shit when I was in high school when it came to Valentine's Day. But I feel like everybody does that. Oh, wow. Okay. I mean, like when you're when like when you're dating in high school or element middle school or whatever, and like you're do trying to make something special for like whoever you're with. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 1:43:00

Mm-hmm.

NALEE 1:43:01

Yeah, that's all I wanted to say.

ANTHONY 1:43:03

I mean, I never did that. Oh. Like I'm not, I'm not anti-Valentine's Day, but I'm also like, I don't want anything. I don't expect anything. I don't want to give anything. My idea of a perfect Valentine's Day gift is just a card.

NALEE 1:43:17

Oh, I love that.

ANTHONY 1:43:18

And like I'll always write like a heartfelt, like personal message in it.

NALEE 1:43:22

That's cute. Okay, okay. You sentimental man. I see.

ANTHONY 1:43:26

I'm very sentimental. Very sentimental.

NALEE 1:43:29

Yeah. I don't know. I feel like honestly, Valentine's Day is just another day for me, though, to be honest. Yes.

ANTHONY 1:43:36

Yes, exact same.

NALEE 1:43:37

Not that big a deal.

ANTHONY 1:43:38

Same.

NALEE 1:43:39

It's the day that's after Valentine's Day that I actually really care about because that's when all the candies go on sale.

ANTHONY 1:43:45

Oh, that's fair.

NALEE 1:43:46

So yeah, that's it. It's like Halloween all over again.

ANTHONY 1:43:49

I gotta go get my Reese's peanut butter hearts.

NALEE 1:43:52

Yes. Yeah, but that's that's it. I don't have anything else.

ANTHONY 1:43:56

Alright. Well, let's move on to our surprise bonus segment.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:03

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:44:04

Our rapid fire Valentine's Day hot takes. Quick answers only. No thinking. You're gonna answer mine, I'm gonna answer yours.

NALEE 1:44:15

Okay. This will expose us a little bit, but yes, let's go on ahead.

ANTHONY 1:44:20

Alright. You ready? Rapid fire.

NALEE 1:44:24

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:44:25

And three, two, one, go! Flowers or food?

NALEE 1:44:29

Food. Okay. Heart-shaped things, cute or ugly.

ANTHONY 1:44:34

Cute.

NALEE 1:44:34

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:44:35

Chocolates or are chocolates or a real meal.

NALEE 1:44:39

A real meal, hello.

ANTHONY 1:44:40

Preach it.

NALEE 1:44:42

Okay. Jewelry on Valentine's Day, romantic or pressure?

ANTHONY 1:44:45

Romantic or pressure.

NALEE 1:44:47

Interesting. Okay.

ANTHONY 1:44:49

Yeah, too much. Stuffed animals, cute or cursed?

NALEE 1:44:53

I think it's both.

ANTHONY 1:44:54

I think it's both.

NALEE 1:44:56

Yeah. Okay. Big gesture, what's a year or consistent effort always.

ANTHONY 1:45:01

Ooh. Consistent effort always.

NALEE 1:45:04

Period. Period.

ANTHONY 1:45:06

Yeah. Fancy dinner out or a cozy night in?

NALEE 1:45:11

Cozy night in. All the way. Okay. Valentine gifts under 20 or overhyped. What? Oh god.

ANTHONY 1:45:23

Valentine's gifts under$20. Under$20 overhyped.

Rapid-Fire Valentine’s Hot Takes

NALEE 1:45:26

Or overhyped. Oh, I get it. I'm so stupid. So ask again.

unknown 1:45:33

Yeah.

NALEE 1:45:33

So stupid.

ANTHONY 1:45:35

Um Valentine's Day gifts under$20.

NALEE 1:45:37

I agree. Why do we need to buy big things?

ANTHONY 1:45:41

Period. We already discussed this, but splitting the bill on Valentine's Day, fair or foul.

NALEE 1:45:47

Foul as fuck.

ANTHONY 1:45:49

Preach.

NALEE 1:45:50

Alright. Situationship should be banned on February 14th.

ANTHONY 1:45:54

Amen. Preached, yes. Wholeheartedly.

NALEE 1:45:57

I agree. Yep. Don't do it. Don't do it.

ANTHONY 1:46:00

Ooh. Texting an ex on Valentine's Day. Crime or mistake?

NALEE 1:46:05

Ooh, that's a good one. It's a mistake.

ANTHONY 1:46:08

Ooh, yeah. I agree with that.

NALEE 1:46:11

Yep. Okay. Ooh. Liking an ex's Valentine's post. Harmless or disrespectful?

ANTHONY 1:46:17

Harmless.

NALEE 1:46:18

Okay, interesting.

ANTHONY 1:46:20

We can circle back to that if you'd like. Happy Valentine's Day mass text. Sweet or lazy?

NALEE 1:46:27

I think that's kind of sweet.

ANTHONY 1:46:28

I think that's sweet too, especially if it's like your group of friends. You do something like that.

NALEE 1:46:32

Yeah, I know Nita used to always do that.

ANTHONY 1:46:34

Yeah.

NALEE 1:46:35

Yeah. Okay. Being single or in a mediocre relationship. Oh.

ANTHONY 1:46:40

Being single.

NALEE 1:46:41

Period. Don't be stupid, guys.

ANTHONY 1:46:44

Yeah, don't be stupid. Don't settle for less than what you deserve.

NALEE 1:46:48

Exactly.

ANTHONY 1:46:49

Valentine's Day while single. Ignore ignore it or reclaim it?

NALEE 1:46:53

Uh reclaim it. Hello. This is Valentine's Day. Calm down. Okay, Galentine's Day. Fun or forced?

ANTHONY 1:47:01

I don't know what Galentine's Day is.

NALEE 1:47:03

Oh, Galantine's Day is just kind of like what we talked about, where it's just Girls Valentine's Day.

ANTHONY 1:47:08

Like anti-Valentine?

NALEE 1:47:10

Well, I don't think it's anti. Okay, I lied. It's like Friends, it's like a Friends Valentine's Day. So gals, like Girls Valentine's Day.

ANTHONY 1:47:18

Oh. I think that's fun.

NALEE 1:47:23

Yeah.

unknown 1:47:24

I know.

ANTHONY 1:47:25

I don't know why it's gotta be directed to women. Why can't men get together for Valentine's Day?

NALEE 1:47:30

No, you do you boo.

ANTHONY 1:47:32

Dating apps on Valentine's Day. Brave or Unwell?

NALEE 1:47:36

I think that's brave.

ANTHONY 1:47:37

You think so?

NALEE 1:47:38

Yeah. I think it's a little bit of it's a little bit of unwell. Like, why are you feeling lonely? I think it's I can't light. It's unwell. It's unwell.

unknown 1:47:47

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:47:48

She talked herself out of that one.

NALEE 1:47:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Valentine's Day proposals, romantic or hostage situation.

ANTHONY 1:47:57

Hostage situation. A thousand percent hostage situation.

NALEE 1:48:01

What did we say? Hello.

ANTHONY 1:48:03

Hello. Surprises on Valentine's Day. Cute or anxiety inducing? I think that's cute. I think that's cute.

NALEE 1:48:10

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:48:11

Not that you asked my opinion, but.

NALEE 1:48:12

Yeah. It's fine. I think it's cute. It's cute. It's cute. Posting your partner on Valentine's Day, genuine or performative?

ANTHONY 1:48:19

Depends on the circumstances, but I think that that can that can be No, you know what? I'm gonna say performative.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:26

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:48:27

Why do you have to post them on social media to acknowledge them as the love of your life or a love?

NALEE 1:48:34

Yeah, why couldn't it be on July 16th on a Tuesday?

ANTHONY 1:48:37

Yeah. Exactly.

NALEE 1:48:40

Exactly.

ANTHONY 1:48:41

Last one. We don't celebrate Valentine's Day. Chill or lying?

NALEE 1:48:47

I think that's chill.

ANTHONY 1:48:48

I think that's chill too. And I see nothing wrong with that.

NALEE 1:48:51

Exactly.

ANTHONY 1:48:52

Yeah.

NALEE 1:48:53

Alright. Did you want to circle back right now or no?

ANTHONY 1:48:56

We can if you would like to. I don't now I don't even remember which one we were circling back to.

NALEE 1:49:00

We were circling back on the the text message to an ex. Like is it a crime or a mistake? Was it that one? Uh I didn't think so. Oh, liking an ex's Valentine's Post, maybe? I don't know. You know what? We can't even remember. Our memories are kapoot. It's fine.

ANTHONY 1:49:23

Okay. Yeah.

NALEE 1:49:24

All right. Well, anyways.

ANTHONY 1:49:26

Well, before we end this episode.

NALEE 1:49:30

Uh-huh. Okay.

ANTHONY 1:49:31

Um, I do have something that I wanted to bring to your attention.

NALEE 1:49:35

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:49:36

For all of our listeners out there, we did receive a fan mail. And I would like to read it and address it in today's episode.

unknown 1:49:50

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:49:50

Now I just want to preface: I know that this was our Valentine's Day episode. Nolly and I have made a goal to not discuss politics on our podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:01

Yes.

ANTHONY 1:50:02

But I would like to just say that this fan mail that we received does revolve around politics. And so I know that we've discussed that we weren't going to touch politics or discuss them on the podcast, but I think in light of our current political situation in our country, it's not something that we need to revisit every episode. It's not something that we're going to be addressing. But I I personally do feel the need to address this, this fan mail. And this is going to be our one little of touch on politics. Yeah. Our one off. So I'm just going to read the fan mail and then we can discuss and you can give your feedback and your thoughts. And we'll go from there. Okay.

unknown 1:50:51

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:50:51

Okay. All right. So hold on, hold on.

Listener Mail: Free Speech And Politics

NALEE 1:50:54

Before you start, I just want to say that whatever our political views are, there's a reason why we didn't want to talk about politics, because obviously, you know, we you are entitled to your own opinion as are we. So if we say anything that offends you, if you're not in agreement, you know, this is our podcast, and this is exactly why we don't want to talk about politics. But I just wanted to put that disclaimer out there that again, we are entitled to our own opinions. This is purely me and Anthony's opinions. And if it offends you, if you don't like it, move along. There's other podcasts. Exactly. Change the channel. But we hope that whatever we discuss does not sway you from continuing to, you know, support us, listen to us. And if you don't, that's okay. Like it's whatever. But politics is a touchy subject, and Anthony and I made that decision in the very beginning because we respect everybody's right to their own opinion. So if we say anything offensive, it is what it is. We're gonna say with our chest. And again, we are also entitled to or we're obligated to respond to our fan mail. And thank you to the fan who wrote it in. It was anonymous. And yeah, that's that's all I wanted to put out there that Yes.

ANTHONY 1:52:17

I I second that. And I also just want to note that before I read this fan mail here, there's certain things that should not be discussed across social media, in my personal opinion, or even in relationships. There's religion, politics, and money. Three things that I think don't shouldn't be discussed. Now, as far as politics goes, obviously that's something that does require discussion from time to time, but it's politics are not something that should be partisan. Everything should be bipartisan across the board because there are Multiple views, and that is part of the foundation of what this country was built on. Okay, so we're a melting pot. That's the whole point of the country.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:06

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:53:07

And like Nali said, this listener who sent this in, they did submit it anonymously, but we are going to discuss it. So here goes. So they say, Hi, I've been a listener for a while, and I wanted to ask for advice about an anonymous, hypothetical, or real-life situation. I have a friend who's very left-leaning and has said I'm not supportive enough because I strongly believe in free speech. I know your podcast isn't focused on politics, but I really appreciate your honesty and thoughtfulness. I feel discouraged because I genuinely care about people and about protecting others from harm, while also believing that freedom of expression is important even when I strongly disagree with certain views. To be clear, I don't agree with or endorse harmful opinions and I don't excuse them. I simply believe people have the right to express ideas without that meaning I support those ideas. What's been hard is feeling like despite being an ally and acting from a place of care, I'm being told that I'm not enough because I hold both of these values at once. That leaves me feeling pushed out rather than understood. Is it wrong to exist in that space of nuance? I'd really appreciate your perspective and I completely understand it. Or excuse me, I completely understand if this isn't something you want to address on the podcast. If you guys would like to discuss it at a later episode, that's fine as well. Again, we made the decision that we're not going to discuss politics, but this I and I will take all the heat for this. And Nolly, if you don't want to comment on it, don't feel any pressure. But this is something that even though we don't discuss politics with our current political climate the way that it is, I do think that this needs to be, I want to address this.

NALEE 1:55:10

Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think we're obviously at this point, we're not ignorant to what's what's going on, you know, and whether you're leading whatever side, again, you know, we are entitled to our opinions. But I just want to say first of all, thank you for writing in. I think that's very important to address again with whatever's happening right now. And this is exactly like the kind of things that we want to hear, you know, whether it's politics or anything. If you want advice, if you want unsolid unsolicited, unprofessional, uncredentialed opinions, we are here for you, baby. But before I give you my opinion, I just want to, I just want you, Anthony, to see if maybe you could explain it in a little bit more like like maybe in a more layman's terms so that people could understand what the question is.

ANTHONY 1:56:11

Okay. So from what I'm understanding from this listener is they have left-leaning friends who are saying that they're who are making this person feel like they're not enough because they claim to care for people. They believe in free speech, they believe in uh protecting other people's from harm, the freedom of expression, basically, you know, all the things that the Constitution stands for. And don't quote me on this because the the listener didn't say, but I'm gathering from reading this that this person may have voted for the current president, Donald Trump.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:04

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:57:04

And may even potentially be right-leaning. So again, we're falling into the whole left-leaning versus right-leaning people.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:13

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:57:13

And uh and this person is being told that they're not enough because they believe in all of these things while simultaneously voting for the person who is causing all of the harm that we are currently seeing in our nation.

NALEE 1:57:30

Okay, so in plain terms, I'm just gonna try to see if I could interpret this and then so that it's easier for our listeners to understand. Because in my personal opinion, I'm not like politics savvy. I don't I'm you know, I it's not that I'm ignorant to what's going on, but I just want to make sure everybody also understands. So I'm just gonna use terms as how I would know, how I would know to use. So what the listener or what our anonymous writer is saying is that they are like on the Republican or the more conservative side. And they have friends on the Democratic, which is the more liberal side. And they support both views, they support the Democratic view. However, they decided to vote for Trump, right? Which is the conservative side. And now they're stuck in the middle of yes, I voted for this person, but then I also believe in these values. However, again, I voted for this person who goes pretty much against a lot of the things that are on this side, which is the democratic liberal side, right? If I'm getting it correctly.

ANTHONY 1:58:36

Yes. The only thing that I would say with that is I don't think that believing believing, believing in I I wouldn't say that believing in the freedom of speech, the freedom of expression, the constitution is a left-leaning thing. I think that it's I think and and empathy and caring for other people is not solely a left-leaning thing. I think it's an individual, it really does boil down to your own morals and the way that you were brought up and raised. I don't think that that is a right versus left Republican versus Democrat sort of thing, regardless of how it's being portrayed at this point in time in our country.

NALEE 1:59:26

All right. So now that we laid all the cards out, do you want to tell your opinion first or do you want me to go first?

ANTHONY 1:59:35

Well, I'm gonna ask you what you would like to do because you know that I for our listeners who don't know, I'm very passionate about politics and more so specifically about what's currently going on.

Reflection, Accountability, And Closing

NALEE 1:59:48

Okay. Okay, yeah. I mean, I could I could say my part first, because obviously, like I said, I am very ignorant to politics because I think and this is just my own, like my own thing. But because being a minority is such a big thing in itself already that I don't have I didn't have the time to worry about politics, you know. But now as I grow up, I see how politics affects me as a minority. And with this past election, with all the shit that's going on right now, I'm not saying anything like I'm not trying to say anything negative or anything like that. I understand that, and I'm gonna be very candid about this. Yes, with with Trump in presidency, I think before the election, I will agree that he did have some really good policies in place. However, it comes back down to what you said, Anthony, in regards to human there were some, I said some, few, not a lot, but there were a few ideas that he had that I was like, oh, okay, I could see it. I could see that. But again, looking at his patterns, looking at what he's done in the past, you already know that this man is all for himself. Like he doesn't care if the world goes to shit, aka what's going on right now. And, you know, like I think this election, I think it pulled a lot of people out of the woodworks. And I think you really see where their morals and their beliefs lie. I understand that sometimes, yeah, you get stuck in the middle, but I think voting for him did a disservice to everybody in the United States. I'm not gonna say that, you know, obviously, I'm not gonna say anything bad about people's decision. You are entitled to your own decision. If you felt like you were voting for this person and that's what you wanted to do, you do you boo. However, if you put into your perspective of how the world is looking at right now, I'm gonna use one example, okay? For example, gay marriage, right? And this is a very touchy situation because I think people look at it in a different light depending on if it affects you or not. However, it affects me. I have a lot of people in my life who are in the LGBTQ and plus group. And within three days of his pres presidency, he he revoked that in many states. And it's kind of the thing of like, we're going backwards. Like, why is why are why uh why are gay people, why are lesbian people, why are like people in this category such a big issue to you that you have other things you need to worry about, but you make this a fucking priority. And that's just one of the things, you know what I mean? And that that that's just what it is. It's just like you're taking away human rights, you're taking away all these things. It's literally human rights that we've built upon. We've we shouldn't need to earn, but we've earned it. You know what I mean? And now you're taking it's like we do what we go one step forward and then take 10 steps back. And obviously, you know, it affects people's lives, and there are bigger fishes that you need to fry, but why are we worrying about these little things? Especially with, see, and this is why we don't talk about politics because we go into a fucking rabbit hole. But with the thing that's going on with ice and everything like that, as a minority myself, I am afraid. Like when everything started happening in Minneapolis, and obviously we live here in Eau Claire and you know, ICE agents were everywhere. I was scared, even though I am a citizen, I was scared to go out because I don't know if, you know, I could go to Costco and, you know, with whatever protocol they have. I can be arrested. I don't know. But, you know, it's the thing of like, I don't want to run that risk. I'd rather just stay home, hole up, starve for f several days and not go out because I don't want to be put in that position. But the thing is that why are why am I even being put in that position for? I understand the intention behind like ICE in general. Okay, I understand. It's for detainment of illegal like residents and stuff like that. I get that. But the way that they went about it is a judgment call made by the person you voted for. And within this past year, you guys, I don't have to point it out, I don't have to say it, and maybe you don't agree with me, but look how much of a shit show it's been. That's that's all I'm gonna say. So I think to answer your question, I'm not, you know, I'm not what is it? I'm not singling you out, but I think that one, yes, you are entitled to your own decisions. However, at the same time, as much as you want to be a nice person, as much as you want to support whoever, you can't lie to yourself and say that, say that like you care for your friends and all this stuff when you're still enabling these kind of things to happen to them. You know what I mean? Like you're, yes, you're saying, okay, like I love you, I I want the best for you, and you know, whatever, but hey, you know what? I'm gonna vote for this person who is against all of the these things. You know, so it kind of it kind of is counterintuitive. It's like, it's like you're saying, I'm not gonna talk shit about you, but I'm still gonna like you say to your face, like, oh, like I I care about you, I love you, but then you stab them in the back. That's how, that's the situation. That's that's how I see it. And I think I think it's unfair for you to oh, this is gonna sound so bad. But I think it's unfair to kind of play victim in this in the situation where you have full control over your decision. And I understand b politics and stuff isn't like a big deal to a lot of people. However, when it comes to killing people, when it comes to ruining people's lives, when it comes to people's livelihood, and you full-on supported somebody who you know have patterns of this, you know that has done things like this in the past and you're still in support of that. I think it's time for you to take a little bit of accountability, reflect on that, and think about what, think about your decision. And you need to think about your values and your morals and stuff. I think people try to, and again, I'm not saying that you're a bad guy. I'm not saying you're a villain, I'm not saying whatever. But what I am saying is you are entitled to your opinions, you are entitled to your choices and what you chose right now, what's happening is a reflection of that. So just take that and sink it in. And honestly, at this point, whatever's done has been done. But continuously, you know, if it really is a big battle for you, or if you're really having a hard time, I think at this point, yes, people see where your views are, but continuously make an effort to show those people that, hey, you know, I did vote for this person, I did vote for this side, but regardless of what happens, you I will still put effort, my effort, to show you that I I do still care for you, I do still support you and stuff like that. Because that's all you can do at this point. And I know it kind of sounds like a slap on the wrist kind of a thing, but it's happened. And I think you ran the risk of people knowing who you really are, and that's the risk you took. So you kind of just have to sit in that. And yeah, but I mean, again, that's that's just how I see it. I think when it comes to politics, the reason why people make it such a big deal, and I see it now, is because it really it's a domino effect. You think it doesn't affect you until it does. And you have the power to, even if it's just a single vote, it sounds as stupid as that, but you have the the power to change that. You have the power to really affect people's lives. And, you know, again, here we are. It things have happened and it is what it is, but you kind of just have to embrace the suck and, you know, I don't know, make amends with that. You know, like make amends with that, continue continuously show them that, hey, like, you know, I I did choose this person. I am entitled to my opinion. However, if this is something that you want to not have in your life, I think you have to accept that that may be a a decision that they make. And so then you shouldn't, you shouldn't put that on them either. You know what I mean? Does that make sense? Yeah. So that's just how I see it. Again, I'm not very like versed with politics and stuff, but I think this could, this could apply to a lot of things, but especially with politics, just because it affects a lot of people and the way that things are like going on right now, I think a lot of people are regretting their decisions. And if that's the case, you know, voice that to your friends and say, hey, you know, like I I thought that, you know, I voted for this person and this would happen and it didn't. And I I do regret my choices. I do regret that. But just only say it if you mean it. Don't just say it because you want them back in your life. Like, be genuine about it, you know? Don't just say it to get them back because that's a whole nother fucking story for another day. But, you know, like just own up to it. That's just all it is. Own up to your shit and say, hey, like, you know, I did vote for this president, you know, I this is why, you know, you don't have to agree with me, but how can I make it up to you? Or how can I show support even if we're not on the same team? And if you decide to not be friends with me, if you decide to move along, I get it. Because I chose what I chose. You choose what you choose, we have different values, and you could agree to disagree. So that's that's that's just it.

ANTHONY 2:10:33

Is that how Nolly sees it?

NALEE 2:10:35

That's how Nolly sees it. Okay. What do you think? Well, we are ready for your speech.

ANTHONY 2:10:41

Before I offer my my rant, so I just want to reiterate the the fan's question itself. So her her her question or their question, I don't know if it's a her or not, is it wrong to exist in that space of nuance? What are your thoughts? Like, do you think that it is wrong for her to exist in a place where on one hand she voted for this, but on the other hand, she they I'm sorry, doing it again, where on the other hand, they claim to believe in free speech, believe in freedom of expression and all of that. Do you like it?

NALEE 2:11:22

Yeah, I have an answer for that. I don't think it's wrong for you to coexist, but what I do think is that when your friends give you shit though, you take it.

ANTHONY 2:11:30

You have to, yeah.

NALEE 2:11:31

Yeah, you take it. Like if they said, Oh, and this is the joke, the ready joke, does your egg cost less? You know, like was it worth you paying for less eggs? Like, you know, those kind of things. You just have to kind of take it because like in the broader picture, that's what you voted for.

ANTHONY 2:11:51

Right.

NALEE 2:11:52

And, you know, as shitty as it sounds, it's kind of like you make the bit you you make the bed, you lay in it, you know. And if you I get it, yeah, it sucks to be put in that position, but again, like you are entitled to your own opinion. And if your friends really do make it a big deal, like a big deal that, hey, like, I can't be friends with you anymore because this is how you feel, then it is what it is. And on the flip side, like if I had a friend, let's say if if I was your friend, right? And I was put on this situ that situation, and you know, I obviously, you know, we've been friends, I care about you, I believe in all those other stuff. And pretty much, it's gonna sound fucking like super stretched, but if I was your friend and I was uh gay and whatever, you pretty much gave me a death sentence or a minority who is what I start looking for. You gave me a death sentence, you know? So it's just like, yeah, you feel bad about it, but do you really? Yeah, you know? That that's just how it is. And I'm sorry if that's not the answer you wanted to look for. That's just my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt.

ANTHONY 2:13:08

Very nice.

NALEE 2:13:10

Thank you.

ANTHONY 2:13:11

Okay. Anything else you want to say before I start my That's it.

NALEE 2:13:16

I feel it rising. I'm getting up on my soft months.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:22

Okay, so I'm gonna be very you've been waiting for like what, seven months to do this?

ANTHONY 2:13:26

Seven months to do this, yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:28

Yeah, okay.

ANTHONY 2:13:29

I if you haven't learned by now, I am very blunt and to the point. So I'm just gonna start off by saying the writing was on the fucking wall. Okay. Nobody had an excuse not to see what would happen with a second term under this presidency. Nobody. And if you can, if you honestly are saying that you didn't see it and you didn't believe it, I think, and this isn't just for our listener or the the fan who wrote in, this is just anybody in general. You need to take a long, long, hard look at yourself. Facts matter. Facts are facts. You literally voted for a man who stated Again.

NALEE 2:14:14

I just wanted to say we are entitled to our own opinions, guys. So I just want to preface that because I know Anthony, again, he's very passionate about this. So, okay.

ANTHONY 2:14:23

I'm very passionate about this because I believe in human rights.

NALEE 2:14:26

Yes.

ANTHONY 2:14:27

For everybody, equal rights. But you literally voted for a man who stated, I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters. This is the man that you're putting at the highest elected official role in the country. This man has the codes to the nukes. You are voting for a man who him and all of his followers, not a Single one of them can openly say he lost the 2020 election. I can look at any Republican, any MAGA voter in the eyes, and I can say Kamala Harris lost the 2024 election. I can say that, but they cannot say that he lost the 2020 election. They can say Joe Biden was president, but the question at hand is, did he lose the election? But they cannot answer it. All of the writing was on the walls. Okay. Now, with regard to this entire the fan mail, I have a really hard time reconciling in my head how you can look me in the eyes and say that I care about you. I love you. You are my friend, but I'm gonna go and I'm gonna vote for this person who doesn't believe that you deserve to exist on this planet. How do I maintain a relationship with somebody like that? How can I look you in the eyes knowing that you voted for somebody who would rather see me six feet in the ground? I don't understand that. I can honestly say, up until 2016, I didn't really care about politics. I knew there was Democrat, I knew that there was Republic, Republicans. I had seen policies on both sides that I'm like, oh yeah, I could get behind that. Oh yeah, I can get behind that. So I didn't identify as Democrat or Republican. When I started getting more into politics and I followed this, this campaign trail with Donald Trump and Kamala Harris for this this most recent election. I did not see a single policy from Trump that made any sense. Okay, you have a man who said he has he's been planning on running since he what he lost the election in 2020. He's in planning on this run. So that's four years that he had, and he has a concept of a plan for healthcare. A concept, not even a plan. He has a concept. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how anybody can't see what he's doing, who can't see what he believes in. Y'all have been conned. He is a con man. That is a hill that I will die on. Do I think that it is it, do I think it's wrong for you to exist in that exp that space of nuance? No, I don't think it's wrong. But I do think that you need to, you and all of his followers need to open up their eyes and truly do a little education of yourselves. See what he's doing, see how he's doing it. Like he's literally doing Hitler's playbook. Everything that he is doing is directly from Hitler's playbook.

NALEE 2:17:53

No, this is this is the Holocaust 2.0.

ANTHONY 2:17:55

This is the Holocaust 2.0. These detention centers are literally concentration camps.

NALEE 2:18:02

Yeah.

ANTHONY 2:18:02

I just watched a video this morning where ICE brought in a man to a hospital in Minneapolis, to the Hennepin Medical Center, and he had broken bones and a skull fracture. And the story that ICE gave was he was trying to evade them and ran into a brick wall intentionally. And the nurses laughed at ICE because the story doesn't make sense. Nobody can run into a brick wall hard enough, fast enough to have the broken bones and skull fracture that this man had. As far as ICE is concerned, they are kidnapping people off the streets. They are taking people based on their skin color and the language that they speak. This isn't about immigration. This is about whitewashing America. Get rid of all the people of color. And for anybody who voted for this because they found one thing that they supported that Trump was for and that they neglected to look at anything else. Again, you need to, like Nollie said, you made your bed, now you have to lie in it. You have to reevaluate and look at everything. I have no respect for anybody still supporting this man. And I will have more respect for you if you can look me in the eyes and you can say, hey, I voted for Trump for this reason. I regret my mistake, and now I'm going to do what I can to rectify this situation. Unfortunately, we are at a point in our country, the United States of America is no more. We will never go back to the way that things were. It is always going to be like this now. And I'm not going to speak for Nollie, but I'm going to speak for myself. I'm looking over my shoulder anytime that I leave my house because I am that scared. That's how scared I am of what he is doing and what Christy Gnome is doing. And I'm just going to throw this out there. Also, you look at the people that he has put in place in power. You have a Fox News anchor as the de the Secretary of Defense, a Fox News anchor. Donald Trump is a president who's never gone to war because he has bone spurs. We have Christy Gnome who killed her puppy and openly admits to it. A puppy, a dog. She shot a puppy because it was too much for her. It was too loud. You did not know that. Yes. That's crazy. She wrote about it in her book. She's a cosplay Barbie, and she is the Secretary of Homeland Security. Nobody that he has elected. Oh, and I can't forget the beautiful RFK Jr. in charge of the Department of Hu Hu Health and Human Services. He's not a medical doctor. He has no medical background and he is dictating what vaccinations our kids get. We have Linda McMahon, who was the CEO of a fucking fucking wrestling organization, as the head of the Department of Education. Nobody he has put in power has the credentials to be in the position that they are in. They're all grifting off of Americans' backs. And I did not, I, for one, did not grow up saying the Pledge of Allegiance every day with liberty and justice for all, only to put a man in the White House who tries to dictate and determine who is worthy of liberty and justice.

SPEAKER_00 2:21:53

Damn, mic drop.

ANTHONY 2:21:55

And that's all I'm going to say on that. We don't ever have to talk politics again, but I'm glad that this did come in because this is something that is weighing on me and weighing on the country right now.

unknown 2:22:05

Yeah.

ANTHONY 2:22:05

Yes, I'm clearly very passionate about it. I mean, we put a fucking TV personality in the White House. Come on, America, do better. It's not that hard. But I'm going to have more respect for you if you acknowledge the fact that what you did is the re your vote is part of the reason of why we are where we are today. And that you want to step up and help make the changes to fight this regime.

NALEE 2:22:33

Yeah.

ANTHONY 2:22:33

And so that's how I see it. Damn. That's all I have to say.

NALEE 2:22:37

That was intense. Okay. Do you want to be the president? No, no, no. No. I think, again, I think you your points are very valid. I think you brought up you show your knowledge of politics. You show, you know.

ANTHONY 2:22:55

That's what I feel like a lot of people don't do.

NALEE 2:22:58

Yeah. It's just Yeah.

ANTHONY 2:23:00

And one one more thing that I just want to say is I truly believe that right now in our country, the way that it is, it's no longer Democrats versus Republicans. It's Democrats versus Republicans versus MAGA Republicans. And that's the problem. Because they're following this man blindly. This man literally said, I uh grab him by the pussy. I could stand on Fifth Avenue and I could shoot somebody. I own the teen Miss USA, so I can go in the bet in the dressing room whenever I want.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:34

The fuck?

ANTHONY 2:23:36

And this will really piss off a lot of people, but I'm just gonna say it since we're on this topic. Epstein F. You put a fucking pedophile in the White House. Congratulations, MAGA voters. You put a pedophile in the White House who is pardoning felons, drug traffickers. He talks about this whole thing with Venezuela and ICE and wanting to put criminals behind bars. Was that five-year-old that they they kidnapped in Minneapolis? Was that five-year-old a criminal? Facts matter.

unknown 2:24:12

Yeah.

ANTHONY 2:24:13

And there is not a single thing that has come out of this administration, anyone in this administration, there's not a single thing that's come out of any of their mouths that has been a fact. This administration has a belief of, well, if I say it, that is the law of the land, it is true. And you, as Americans, are expected to follow. He's a dictator, he's a pedophile, and he's pardoning criminals and uh just allowing more criminal activity.

NALEE 2:24:42

Yeah. That's how Anthony sees it.

ANTHONY 2:24:45

That's how Anthony sees it. And that's a hell I will die on.

NALEE 2:24:48

Did you answer the question in full? I think you did, right?

ANTHONY 2:24:52

Yeah, I think I think it's it's okay for this person to exist in this space of nuance, but at some point they do need to realize that you reap what you sow, you made your bed, now you have to lie in it, you have to suffer with the you have to deal with the consequences, you have to live with it. But you also need to educate yourself. Look at the facts. Look at the facts and see what is happening and what is coming out of this administration.

SPEAKER_00 2:25:19

Yeah.

ANTHONY 2:25:20

Facts don't lie. Friends don't lie.

NALEE 2:25:26

Period. Friends don't lie. Stranger things, baby. Friends don't lie.

ANTHONY 2:25:30

I know, that's what I was thinking as I said, facts don't lie.

NALEE 2:25:33

Yeah.

ANTHONY 2:25:34

But for real, facts facts don't lie.

NALEE 2:25:37

And I'm just there's facts, there's patterns, there's there's consequence. That's just what it is.

ANTHONY 2:25:47

I think for those for those people who have voted for this and are experiencing this type of situation that the writer sent in, you just need to either deal with it and move on. Or what I really would recommend is taking a long, hard look at yourself, looking at the facts and justify the things. How do you justify being okay with what's happening, but yet claim to care about people's rights and the freedom of expression and freedom of speech? You can't have it both ways. So that's that.

NALEE 2:26:27

Yeah. Well, we hope we answered your question. Thanks for writing in.

ANTHONY 2:26:31

Yeah, we hope we added a different, you know, perspective on all of the things. And I would just like to say this is the reason that we don't talk about politics. And my passion. My passion was clearly coming through, and it wasn't directed at this listener, but more so just the country as a whole and anybody who voted for the going through now.

NALEE 2:26:56

Again, yeah, especially with everything that's happening that's going on right now. I think you can't play victim. I think it's unfair for you to play victim. And I'm not saying that you are.

ANTHONY 2:27:06

I'm just saying that there are people out there that do, though.

NALEE 2:27:10

Yeah Yeah, I I get it. I'm just saying that, like, I'm not saying that our listener or the writer is. I'm just saying at this point, take it at face value. This is the effect of your decisions. This is the effect of what America chose. So, you know, while now we're reaping what we're sowing, even if we didn't choose this.

ANTHONY 2:27:35

We're all reaping what other people sowed.

NALEE 2:27:38

Exactly. But Damn. Okay, well, that was let's get out of the headspace. That was pretty intense. This is supposed to be a Valentine's episode, but you know what?

ANTHONY 2:27:51

And I'm celebrating my Valentine's Day, love for America.

NALEE 2:27:55

Yeah. Well.

ANTHONY 2:28:06

It's because of me. I'm the problem.

NALEE 2:28:09

No. Well, yeah. Yeah. But no. It's fine.

ANTHONY 2:28:14

I know.

NALEE 2:28:16

He's still flustered about it. His face is all red. But yeah, this is this is why, you know, this is why we don't talk about politics. But again, this is a very good point to bring up. And I think this is also very important to acknowledge that this is happening. This is real. This is happening. And I think a lot of people are trying to be ignorant. They're pretending that they don't see things, but it's happening. This is America now. You know?

ANTHONY 2:28:46

I don't I don't think that people are being ignorant and they're not aware of things that are happening. But I think, like you said earlier, if it doesn't affect them, they don't care. And that's the problem.

NALEE 2:28:59

And I I fully on the spirits home. I fully agree with you that again, I we make things about race as a joke, but with whatever is happening right now, I think we are, it is legit whitewashing. That that's just what it is. It's unfortunate. It's it's like that thing where it's that thing of here's the thing. The thing is it's like that meme of, okay, well, if you want immigrants out, then don't eat immigrant food. That that's it. Don't eat tacos, don't eat Chinese food, don't eat soy sauce, eat potatoes. You know, it's that thing.

ANTHONY 2:29:40

And there's America is a melting point. This is literally what we were founded on.

NALEE 2:29:47

You guys is literally crazy. It's crazy.

ANTHONY 2:29:52

And see, that's where my mind I I struggle so much mentally because all the foundations are there. Like it hasn't changed.

SPEAKER_00 2:30:01

Yeah.

ANTHONY 2:30:02

It's just a matter of racism being alive and well in America. And we have a president who openly encourages that.

NALEE 2:30:11

Yeah. Okay. I have one last comment and I'm not gonna tangent on it.

ANTHONY 2:30:16

Okay.

NALEE 2:30:16

But I'm just gonna point it out. I love Nicki Minaj, but that bitch is over the edge. She's done.

ANTHONY 2:30:25

I just deleted all of her music from my phone today.

NALEE 2:30:28

That's it. Yeah. But anyways, well, if Valentine's Day taught us anything, not to bring up politics and Love is confusing. Yeah.

ANTHONY 2:30:41

And porn is fake.

NALEE 2:30:43

Yeah, porn is fake. And silence is sometimes the loudest answer.

ANTHONY 2:30:49

But no matter where you're at.

NALEE 2:30:51

You're just human. Oops, I said the wrong one. Sorry. Just kidding. You're not behind.

ANTHONY 2:30:59

You're just human.

NALEE 2:31:00

Well, thanks for spiraling with us.

ANTHONY 2:31:03

This has been Twin Tangents.

NALEE 2:31:05

We'll see you next time.

ANTHONY 2:31:09

Probably unhinged. Unhealed.

SPEAKER_01 2:31:11

Oh shit. Unhealed.

NALEE 2:31:13

You guys, I'm so flabbergasted with our fucking conversation that I can't read anything right anymore. I can't even fucking talk. But, anyways, bye.