🎙️Nalee's Hypothetical Hotline - Episode 5 - The Moral High Ground That Costs You (AUDIO ONLY)🎙️

This week on Nalee’s Hypothetical Hotline 📞, we’re stepping into one of the most uncomfortable questions people face at work:

What do you do when the paycheck 💰 and your principles ⚖️ start pulling in opposite directions?

We unpack the quiet moral dilemmas that show up in workplaces every day—the moments where speaking up 🗣️ could cost you, staying quiet 🤐 could haunt you, and the line between self-preservation and complicity gets blurry fast.

Is questioning authority bravery… or career suicide?
 Is protecting your livelihood a valid justification for staying silent?
 And does financial stability change how easy it is to choose the “right” thing?

This conversation dives into the reality that ethics aren’t always clean or universal. Sometimes they’re shaped by pressure, privilege, survival, and the complicated web of relationships that exist in professional spaces 🧠.

Because in the real world, moral decisions rarely show up as obvious villains and heroes. Most of the time, they show up as gray areas 🌫️ you have to live with.

Takeaways we wrestle with:

• ⚖️ Workplace ethics get complicated when your livelihood is involved
• 🗣️ Questioning authority can come with real risks
• 🛟 Self-preservation isn’t always selfish—but it does raise hard questions
• 💰 Financial stability can change how freely people act on their values
• 🌫️ Right and wrong aren’t always universal… sometimes they’re contextual

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Transcript

Hypothetical Hotline Opens

NALEE 0:15

Ready?

ANTHONY 0:16

Do it, lady.

NALEE 0:17

All right. All right. Ring, ring, ring. Welcome to Nolly's Hypothetical Hotline. It's a place where hypot hypotheticals turn into personal attacks, whether it's in your real life or in your workplace. Are you ready for today's story or today's hypothetical situation?

ANTHONY 0:38

Bring it. I am so ready.

NALEE 0:40

All right. Okay. So our hypothetical hotline episode today is called The Moral High Grounds that costs you everything. You're at work, not just any day, on normal, boring ass Tuesday. You overhear something, or maybe see it in an email. Or maybe you're directly involved. Someone higher up is doing something clearly clearly unethical, not illegal enough to make headlines, but wrong enough that your stomach drops.

The Moral High Ground Scenario

NALEE 1:10

It's subtle, it's strategic, and it benefits the company. And if you speak up, you risk losing your job, your insurance, your rent money, your stability, and pretty much your livelihood. No one else seems bothered. In fact, people actually seem fine. You could say something or you could stay quiet, and no one would ever know you chose silence. All right. So you've always believed you're the kind of person who would do the right thing. You're pri you pride yourself on intrigue integrity. Oh my goodness. But integrity comes with a price tag. And suddenly morality feels expensive. So in this scenario, obviously it could be like a broad, you know, you could you could qualify as like broad situations, but you know, in this situation.

ANTHONY 2:06

Sichenario.

NALEE 2:10

What would you do?

ANTHONY 2:11

Well, I feel like from personal experience, I've seen unethical things done at work where I didn't say anything. So I feel like depending on the situation and based on what I'm hearing, this isn't anything that's really going to you said, it's not illegal and it's not enough to make headlines, but wrong enough that my stomach drops.

NALEE 2:43

Yeah. I mean, obviously things like this isn't anything new. You know what I mean? Like it always happens, but it depends on how much you react to that.

ANTHONY 2:54

Right. I don't think that I would care enough to. Yeah, okay, so my stomach dropped. Yeah, I think it's bad. But I think that that's going to be more of a reflection of that person and my level of respect for that person. Again, if it's nothing illegal and nothing enough to make headlines, I probably just leave it as it is. Like, unless it's and this kind of goes back to like our three F's. If you're not feeding me, financing me, or fucking me, move the fuck along. Like, if that person's doing something and it's not affecting my work and the integrity of

When Unethical Isn’t Illegal

ANTHONY 3:30

my work, then I'm boo, that's your job. You do you.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

You do you, boo.

ANTHONY 3:35

You do you. You sew in your own oats over there.

NALEE 3:38

Yeah. I think I would agree with you to a certain degree. When it comes for me, like when it comes down to work and personal life, obviously. I leave I try my best, obviously, you know, to leave work at work and my personal life at home. But let's just say if it's involving my paycheck baby, and you know, if I tell or whatever, you know, I I think it's gonna sound stupid because obviously I don't have like a specific scenario, but I feel like I probably it would probably eat me up a lot, but I'm also gonna be like, okay, you know, it's like not my circus, not my monkeys, I ain't gonna do nothing about it. You know what I mean? Especially when it's involving money, baby. Mm-mm, baby girl, stay out of it. You know what I mean? But let's just say if it's something that like people come to me and they're like, hey, like I need your advice on how we would proceed or what we should do in this situation, then yeah, maybe I would be like, well, you know, this and this is happening. Like if I had a call on things, obviously. You know what I mean? But if it's like, oh, Patricia and Laura over here are beefing and they, you know, their manager and their supervisor and they're beefing, and you know, what should I do? Like, obviously, I'm gonna have my own opinions on it, depend depending, you know, how they are or whatever, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm gonna put, you know, give my input or I'm gonna like start shit, you know what I mean? Because again, it's when it comes to work-related stuff, I think it's important for you to create that boundary of it's just work, like it's not that serious. I'm just here to work, get my paycheck, and go home, you know?

ANTHONY 5:29

Yeah, but don't you think that like if somebody is doing something unethical at work? I'm just trying to think of like on the other side of things, like in some sense that could affect your your money, your finances.

NALEE 5:43

That's true. I don't know. I guess, like I said, it would depend on the scenario, depending on how much it eat eats up at me. Like, let's just say, okay, let's give like a situation here. Let's say, you know, that's a good example. Okay, let's say you find out that your boss is laundering money, you know, like and go ahead.

ANTHONY 6:04

No, well, you finish. I'm sorry.

NALEE 6:06

Okay, let's say your boss is laundering money and you're just a receptionist and you're like, oh, like, you know, should I say something or should I, you know, go to the better business bureau and like report this or whatever. I think in that situation, that's clearly illegal. Yeah. I don't want to be like messing that shit. Like, I have to cover my ass. You know what I mean? So I'd be like, be discreet, but first of all, you know, I'd collect all the evidence to like clearly show that, okay, these bitches be sneaky. And then second of all, I would make sure

Boundaries: It’s Just Work

NALEE 6:40

that my name is not anywhere intertwined with the scenario or whatever the fuck they're doing. And you're just, I could just say, Oh, I was just there to do my job. I didn't know this was happening behind the scenes and stuff like that, and then obviously clearly cover my ass and be like, well, this is where I stand or whatever. Like in those scenarios, I would I would be like, nah, fuck y'all. I ain't about to get involved with the law. This ain't no orange is the new black kind of shit. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 7:06

100%. I totally agree with that. And that's exactly what I like. I mean, but I'm going off of like this hypothetical. Like it says it's unethical. So in my mind, when you were saying this, this hypothetical, I was thinking, okay, Janice from accounting is printing recipes on work paper, right? That's that's unethical. You're using work materials, purchase materials for something very small. Like shit like that. I'm gonna look the other way. But obviously, if I find out Janice in accounting is secretly somehow managing to write herself a check for $300 one week, $1,000 the next week, just little money odds and ends here and there. Hell yeah, I'm turning that in.

NALEE 7:56

Or you could just be like, hey, why don't you write me checks too and I'll keep this hush-hush, you know? His a little bit.

ANTHONY 8:02

No, because then I'm wrapped up in it. So when it crumbles. No, I know, but yeah, I think we're on the same page, so I don't know.

NALEE 8:12

Yeah, because I mean, I I was smiling because I was when you would talk about like company paper and shit, it reminds me of all those times where we pulled pranks on each other and the fucking tremendous amounts of post-its and like that video, that Snapchat you just sent me the other day? Yeah, like that.

ANTHONY 8:31

Bitch.

NALEE 8:32

Yeah, that definitely like brings back me down memory lane. However, like you said, if it's involving the law, baby, mm-mm, it it's a no-no for me. You do you boo. But I guess the situation I was thinking more of like, let's say Sally Sue over here. Like, you know, we're required to, you know, send a certain amount of quota of like, I don't know, letters or whatever. And then you find out this bitch is just putting these letters in her drawer and never touching it or whatever. If that's the case, I'm gonna let Sally Sue whatever the do whatever the fuck she gonna do. Cause it ain't gonna involve me, baby. I'm over here doing my job. You know what I mean? That's the kind of situation I guess I I was kind of thinking of, and I probably should have specified that because it's my scenario, but you know, it's okay to give clues afterwards. But yeah, that's the kind of situation I was.

ANTHONY 9:25

Changes the whole situation then.

NALEE 9:27

Yeah. But I think we're very much on brand with each other as far as, yeah, like, you know, if it ain't evolving the law, baby, you do what you gotta do, you know.

ANTHONY 9:37

My my one question for you and my one complaint about this situation or this situation is you had mentioned if I speak up, I risk losing my job, my health insurance, my

Illegal Lines: Money Laundering Example

ANTHONY 9:50

my income, everything. I think that I feel like that that's gonna reflect more back on the company. Like if I'm coming to somebody higher up and saying, hey, my supervisor is doing this, which is unethical, yeah, it's not illegal. And but maybe they're maybe they wanna, they're aspiring to be a writer and they're using company paper, like hundreds of pieces of paper per day to print off their rough copy of their book and take home and mark up and edit and send it in and do whatever. If I turn that in and I'm gonna lose my job for it, I think that that's gonna speak more volumes about the company, and I probably that's probably a company I don't want to work for.

NALEE 10:34

Yeah, that's true. That's straight up blackmailing, bitch.

ANTHONY 10:38

What do you mean?

NALEE 10:39

Like if they're gonna say, like, oh, well, if you see Sally Sue fucking up over here, like, but if you tell, then you're, you know, like your paycheck's on the line or whatever, that's blackmailing because it's like, well, I know it's you know, I know it's wrong, but you're gonna like include my my livelihood, my munty, my bag in this situation.

ANTHONY 11:00

And you know what?

NALEE 11:01

You've got an always being a two-comer for your ass is all I gotta say.

ANTHONY 11:05

In all honesty, as far as like me as an employee goes, and I'm gonna pat myself on the back here and toot my own horn, blow smoke up my own fucking ass.

NALEE 11:14

Two toot, baby, too.

ANTHONY 11:16

If I'm gonna turn something like that in and the company wants to let me go, good riddance, like you're gonna cause more damage for your department. You're losing a big asset with me as an employee.

NALEE 11:27

So Because wouldn't you want somebody who's loyal? Wouldn't you want somebody who's doing the right thing? Compared to like sneaky ass shit. Because if that's the case, it's like, okay, where's y'all's morals? Where's your integrity? You know?

ANTHONY 11:40

Yeah. And if if that's if that's the deal and you don't have any problems with somebody doing that, best believe, I'm gonna start printing off my recipes at work. I'm gonna start printing off my resume at work. I'm gonna start like, I'm gonna take full advantage of that. I need paperclips. I just ran out at home. Guess what? I don't need to go to Office Max because I got a full filing cabinet right here and fucking paper clips.

NALEE 12:03

People collecting trash bags and like fucking toilet paper and shit. Hell yeah.

ANTHONY 12:09

I need some post-its.

NALEE 12:10

I I mentioned toilet paper because I don't know if you remember.

ANTHONY 12:14

Didn't you do that?

NALEE 12:16

No, not me. Why would I do that? I got toilet paper at home. The fuck?

ANTHONY 12:20

Or you told me a story of somebody doing that, right?

NALEE 12:22

Yeah, it was somebody at the further. I ain't gonna say no names. I ain't no snitch, because snitches get stitches.

ANTHONY 12:29

Okay,

Petty vs Serious Misconduct

ANTHONY 12:30

I was thinking it was when we were.

NALEE 12:31

You were the one who told me that.

ANTHONY 12:33

No, I never knew that.

NALEE 12:34

Oh.

ANTHONY 12:35

It's probably Melissa.

NALEE 12:36

Maybe Melissa. It's probably Melissa. So my uh my question to you is again, obviously, you know, I have some talking points. We've already talked about maybe one or two of them. Like if you say nothing, are you comp Okay, I guess that we didn't talk about that yet, but sorry. My mind Y'all, I'm crazy. I'm delusional. Y'all know me. Okay. So if you say nothing, are you complicit or are you or is it just realistic? Your face.

ANTHONY 13:09

Well, I'm thinking, so again, our again, it depends on the situation, right? Okay, but if it's a situation as far as somebody like using printer paper to print off recipes at work.

NALEE 13:21

Yeah.

ANTHONY 13:22

Or like, oh, taking a paper clip here.

NALEE 13:24

Let's let's let's let's bring this back a little bit. Let's spice it up a little bit. Let me give you an actual situation ship, okay? Or a scenario.

unknown 13:32

Okay.

NALEE 13:33

I think that probably should have been better. Again, it's preparation on my part. So I take for responsibility. Throwing yourself under the bus. This bitch, yeah, this bitch ain't prepared for shit.

ANTHONY 13:42

She I come prepared.

NALEE 13:44

Yeah, she grabs shit out of her ass and she sticks with it, you know, whatever. We improv over here.

ANTHONY 13:49

I'm catching your shit.

NALEE 13:51

Hey, you step I'm smelling what you're stepping in. Okay, smelling what you're stepping in.

ANTHONY 13:55

That's what's up.

NALEE 13:56

Exactly. Okay, so let's say you come in from work, it's like early morning, and you find out that the secretary was sucking the CEO's dick. And then the CEO pulls you into his office and he's like, hey, like, you know, I have a family, and you know, if you tell anybody, then like I'm gonna let you go. And I need you to sign like an NDA to make sure that none of this comes out. And, you know, the wife works at the place too. Okay. So the wife is like, yeah. So the wife works at the workplace too. So what would you do in that scenario? Okay. And let me add just a little bit more. You and the wife are really good friends at work.

ANTHONY 14:40

Okay. So, first of all, this is like a complete 180 from your original hypothetical, which was, you know, unethical, like not illegal. Okay, so with the wife being my best friend or being one of my good friends, uh obviously my loyalty lies to her. I'm gonna tell her.

NALEE 14:59

Okay.

ANTHONY 15:00

There's not there's no way around that.

NALEE 15:02

So you gonna you're okay with getting fired or whatever.

ANTHONY 15:05

I mean, I feel like that's gonna make for a pretty good lawsuit. So go ahead, bring it. You're in the wrong here, buddy. You're and literally, it's like that you mentioned earlier, that's blackmail.

unknown 15:17

Yeah.

ANTHONY 15:18

You don't sign this NDA and you don't say anything, or it's your job. Okay, okay. Again, I feel like I have a good lawsuit here. So, yes, my loyalty is gonna stay with my friend. And on that note, I just want to say that is really, really ballsy for somebody to be getting their dick sucked at in the office in which their spouse also works at by an employee.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

Yeah.

ANTHONY 15:49

Okay, come on. That bro, at least like do it in your car down the street.

NALEE 15:56

Like what if they they like the role-playing of like, I'm your secretary, you know? Like focus my assignment today, you know.

ANTHONY 16:04

That's fine. Like before you threw in the wife works there and I'm friends with them part. Baby, that's fine. You do you, no judgment. But and I would have signed my ass all over that NDA. I would have got myself a nice chunk of money to keep my mouth shut.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Yep. But okay.

ANTHONY 16:23

Now that's fine. If you're into that role playing, that's your thing. But when your spouse works at the same office, yeah, you kind of need to like, it's not clocking, bro.

NALEE 16:33

Period. Exactly. It's not clocking. Okay.

ANTHONY 16:38

What about you?

NALEE 16:39

Yeah, my

Retaliation, NDAs, And Power

NALEE 16:40

loyalties to my friend. Like the reason why I brought up blackmailing is just in general, with this broad like situation of ethics or whatever, bitch, you could always, you could always, it's always a lawsuit. You could always fit it into a lawsuit. And I'm not saying do it. I'm just saying that if any time your workplace tells you to hush, hush because ethics or whatever, baby, get yourself a lawyer, be real smart about it, and you know, get yourself a little chunk of money. Because the thing is, this is unsolicited advice, I'm just saying. But the thing is, you should never have to. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. The thing is, uh you should never have to turn on yourself at work. You should never have to hide anything if it's morally correct, if it's ethical. You should never have to do that. And if your employer's asking you or if you're getting involved in a situation where they're like, hey, like, don't say anything or you're gonna get fired. Bitch, come at me, baby girl. You know, like you gotta be smart about this, you know.

ANTHONY 17:45

Like, yeah, and I think that there is this unspoken stigma that, you know, I'm gonna, as your employer, I'm gonna put this document down in front of you. Like, even if you're like getting written up and they need you to sign it and acknowledge it. And I will I will throw myself out there right now. I was written up at work one time and I was provided with a cop-I was. You didn't you knew this.

NALEE 18:12

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah.

ANTHONY 18:14

You knew this, yeah.

NALEE 18:15

Yeah, for being an overachiever, okay.

ANTHONY 18:18

Yeah, I know, God forbid. But I, you know, I was called into HR, they provided me with the whole explanation, and they gave me this document with all of it written up, and they wanted me to sign it. And I feel like most people, when they're put in that situation, even if it's a, here's an NDA, sign this, you didn't see what you see. Most people are apt to really truly just okay sign it. Like they're they feel so intimidated. They're gonna sign it, just be done with. You don't need to sign it right then and there. I I'll take this, I'll look it over, and if I have anything else, I'll bring it back to you within, you know, 24 hours, 48 hours. You you don't need to sign it right then and there. So in those instances, take the time to take a step away and really truly think about what you're doing. And if you're ever working at an employer that's putting you in a position where you're questioning the difference between right and wrong, that's a red flag right there to really like assess. And that's your employer should never be putting you in that sort of situation. And if they are, you really need to think about what how you're responding to it.

NALEE 19:31

Even in cases where they're like, well, no, we need you to sign this right away. Like, why can't you wait 24 hours? Y'all planned all this. Like, why can't I have the right to like think about it? You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 19:41

Yeah. Yeah.

NALEE 19:43

Yeah.

ANTHONY 19:44

Like in my situation, as far as like, you know, they did want me to sign it right then and there, and I was like, I'm not gonna do that. But it was like, it was something that had happened, you know, a week prior. So you've had a week to plan all of this, exactly. And now you're gonna sit me down here in a matter of 15-20 minutes and expect me to just Okay. No, I don't I don't play like that.

NALEE 20:12

I think as an adult Oh, go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead.

ANTHONY 20:15

Oh, I was no, I was just gonna compare it to, you know, we've had that conversation

Don’t Sign Under Pressure

ANTHONY 20:20

before about if I'm gonna quit, you expect me to give you two weeks' notice, but if you're gonna fire me, you're gonna give me absolutely no notice and escort me off the premise as soon as I go to clock in.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

Yeah.

ANTHONY 20:36

Like there just has to be some sort of give and take, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

Yeah.

NALEE 20:44

I was just gonna say, like, as an adult, I've learned that like I think when you're young, you get intimidated from jobs and stuff like that. So then you're just very apt to like, okay, yeah, I will agree to this or whatever, so that you don't get in trouble, whatever. But as an adult, you learn that I could say no, or I could choose to have some time to think, or I could take a step back. I think obviously employers, they don't they don't say that to you, but it's the thing of it never hurts to ask, to be like, hey, can I get a couple days to think about this? Or you could question the authority. I think you could say, well, you know, like I don't know where this is coming from, but can you explain to me or the proof, or can you tell me why this is happening? You know, like it's okay to question that. And if your employer doesn't allow you to do that, or if they're like, why are you asking? Then that's a bigger question at hand as far as like, so does my work, my, you know, like it's just that mutual respect of as an employer, I'm gonna do what's right, and or as an employee, I'm gonna do what's right. And it's it's the employer's job to be like, okay, I'm gonna respect you as somebody who is a part of our company. You know what I mean? Like giving giving the benefit of the doubt there is. Respect on both sides.

ANTHONY 22:01

Yeah. And I think you hit it right on the head that like I d I don't feel like as a society we're really taught to question authority, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Yeah.

ANTHONY 22:10

And yes, there is a line at which point questioning authority can become, I don't know, I don't know the right word, maybe like almost insulting. But I feel like it's it's necessary to not only question authority, but to also ask those questions.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Yeah.

ANTHONY 22:31

And and challenge some of these things. I know you and I have had the conversation before, not I don't think we've discussed it or it's been discussed on the pod, but like with regards to advocating for yourself, I think is a really good way to say it. Like advocate for yourself and stand up and question things a little bit more. Like when people tell you something or give you something, you don't need to just be like take it like wholeheartedly and be like, okay, that's the way it is.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

Yeah.

ANTHONY 23:11

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Yeah.

ANTHONY 23:13

And I feel like that's a conversation that the both of us had with working at the further. It's like Yeah.

NALEE 23:19

It's also the way you approach it too. Like if you just show up and be like, y'all's are bitches and like fuck this place, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, then yeah, like they're gonna be like, okay, go. Like, we don't care. But if you're like, it also applies if you're like, if you, if your work speaks for itself and you're like, hey, like, I'm a hard worker, I try not to do the wrong thing. You know, I ask when I'm confused or if I need clarity. And, you know, it's not that I don't, it's not that I'm questioning my work or I'm questioning the scenario, whatever it is, but you also have a right to know what your company's doing and what the outcome of that is. You can't just be like, oh, you know what? I'm gonna say yes and sign everything and not know what's going on. You know what I mean? And I think it's important, especially when it comes to work, to read the fine print. Like, you have to know what you signed up for, you know? And I think a lot of people take that not at face value because they're like, oh, okay, as long as I got a job, I'm good. Like, as long as I can fake it till I make it, I'm good. That's kind of where you become unsatisfied with your job. You know what I mean?

Questioning Authority And Self-Advocacy

NALEE 24:30

I don't even know if I signed up for this. I don't even know what I signed up for. Whereas it's your responsibility to know what you signed up for. And again, I think it's also your responsibility to speak up when you're not sure, when you're confused, especially at work. Yeah. And it's okay to advocate for yourself. It's okay to be like, I'm confused, what's going on? You know? Yeah. And it put the put the job on them, put the responsibility back on them for them to explain to you what's going on. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 25:01

The downside with that is that not all employers will respond to that. And it is a risk that you run. And I think you really need to evaluate your employer at that point, as far as you. I mean, if you work at a company, you know your employer more than somebody not, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Yeah. Yeah.

ANTHONY 25:26

So evaluate. Assess how you think that your employer is going to handle this situation if you're addressing it.

NALEE 25:34

Yeah. Okay. Let me move on to my next couple of questions here, then. Is doing the right thing easier when you have savings, privilege, or backup options?

ANTHONY 25:48

Okay, so on this question, I would say yes. But what also plays into that is like that individual's own morals, values, and how personality and how they were raised. Because like me, like I said, I w I was brought up with great morals, values, and like that situation where okay, and now as I'm saying that I'm thinking, well, yeah, I'd sign an NDA and oh, you were getting your dick sucked. It is what it is. But I mean, that's his that's his business. But like if I know somebody's embezzling money from a company, yeah, hell yeah, I'm gonna say something, even if it means me losing my job.

NALEE 26:37

Yeah. You're gonna be the lady on the news. I ain't no ain't nobody got time for that. Ain't nobody got time for that. Yeah, that's gonna be you.

ANTHONY 26:44

That's gonna be me, a hundred percent. I'm gonna look a little better, but period. What about you? What do you think? Do you think it's easier?

NALEE 26:54

I I would agree, obviously, if I had money. Y'all bitches already know. If I got even just a little bit in my account, bye, I'm leaving you, bye. Like, baby.

ANTHONY 27:07

You got 17 cents in your account.

NALEE 27:09

Yeah, I'm rich now, baby. Uh that's it. You know, like I'm gonna give me a filemillon, I'm gonna go on a little shopping spree with the 10 cents that I have left. You know, I'm gonna thrive through whatever the fuck I have. And then, you know, when I'm at like negative $10, then I'd be like, okay, you know what? We gotta get it back together. We can't be living like this no more.

ANTHONY 27:32

You know, you're like, I got 17 cents in my account, I'm gonna go out to eat. And they ask, here's your debit card, credit or debit. Credit.

NALEE 27:40

Period.

ANTHONY 27:41

Period.

NALEE 27:42

It's like the money always comes around. We're good. It'll come back. The money will come back. But yeah, I agree. Obviously, it'd be easier if you have funds back up because that's what it's for, right? When you want to go on a little shop, it's free when you don't want to work. Yeah. I'm just kidding.

ANTHONY 27:57

But No, really, though. Because it's it would be nice to just be like, okay, I know that if I do this, I'm gonna be fired, but I have, you know, $5,000, $50, $10,000, whatever in

Savings, Privilege, And Doing Right

ANTHONY 28:10

my savings, I have enough that if I don't get a job right away, you know?

NALEE 28:15

Yeah. And yeah. Sorry, go ahead.

ANTHONY 28:17

Oh, no, that was it.

NALEE 28:18

Oh, I and I'm I was just gonna say, like, you know, we've talked about like nepotism and whatever. Like people who have like, I don't know what what the saying is what the correct term to say it, but like people who have like a golden spoon fed to them or whatever, whatever the fuck.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

Yeah.

NALEE 28:36

But y'all get what I mean. Like, they don't really have to worry about having a job, though. It's just kind of like chump change for them. It's to have something on the resume, it's to have experience or whatever. And yeah, if I could live that life, I'm gonna tell you right now, and y'all bitches could you you guys aren't gonna be like, oh, I would never do that, but you a liar. Like, yeah, like y'all fucking lie. If you were a Neppo baby and you could ride through the fucking storm, I would. You would too. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 29:04

Like, I don't think I would.

NALEE 29:06

Bitch. Did we not talk about if there was an opportunity to not work, I would not work. Or maybe that's a conversation we had outside of this, but I'm telling y'all, if I had the chance to not work, I don't know. Maybe this podcast wouldn't be in existence because I'd be I'd be out there in Bali, you know, or whatever.

ANTHONY 29:28

I couldn't do it. I couldn't not work.

NALEE 29:32

That's crazy to me. Well, that's crazy to me.

ANTHONY 29:34

Okay, but here's the thing though. I just want to say this. So, like if I was here's the thing. The thing is, okay, so if I was born into that sort of lifestyle where I had I had the the funding, the financing behind me that I didn't need to actually work. I need to do something with my time. I'm not saying that I'm gonna get a 40-hour office job, but like I would do something to like keep myself busy, you know, a couple days a week. Like I couldn't just do nothing.

NALEE 30:08

Nah, I love doing nothing. That's the best.

unknown 30:12

Yeah.

NALEE 30:12

I would trade. I would trade more power to you. I would trade my leg or any. I don't know. I don't fucking know. I trade my booty hole to not work for the rest of my life, okay? That's how much I love doing nothing. But I'm not trying to manifest that. I ain't giving nobody my booty hole. I just don't have to preface that. But yeah, like I think it's such a I don't know, it's a blessing in both both things where it's a blessing to want to do things and to be able to do things, and it's also a blessing to not need to do anything, you know.

ANTHONY 30:49

It's literally one of those things where it's like the grass is always greener on the other side.

NALEE 30:53

Is it though? It is. It is. Oh no. I don't know.

ANTHONY 30:58

I feel like And I just want to go back and clarify on something that I said. So even if I had the money behind me that I didn't need to work and I said that I would still work, just note that I wouldn't I would not work like the Nepo babies that we were talking about. Like I wouldn't be like, oh, I can get a job in my family's company and I can just skate by. I would actually get a job that I enjoy doing that I'm actively working, not just trying to you know.

NALEE 31:29

Yeah, ride your way through.

ANTHONY 31:30

Yeah.

NALEE 31:32

Yeah. I still like doing nothing.

ANTHONY 31:35

So you wouldn't like do nails. You wouldn't like if let you let's say you had ten billion dollars in your bank account. You ain't gotta work a day in your fucking life. You can go to Bali whenever you want, you can go to the Caribbean, the Bahamas, Mexico, all over the world. You wouldn't still find time to like, oh, I'm gonna do Elon Maid and do TikToks of my nails and sell my nails.

NALEE 32:01

No, baby. No, no.

ANTHONY 32:02

Are you serious?

NALEE 32:03

Yeah.

ANTHONY 32:04

What the fuck would you do with all your all that time?

NALEE 32:06

I don't know, sleep, suck dick. Oh, for fuck's sake. Go shopping. I don't fucking know. Whatever the fuck I can to not work. Do nothing, sleep. I don't know, travel. Spending money will be my work. If I had a hundred billion dollars, my work would be spending money.

ANTHONY 32:24

Okay, so question for you. So why wouldn't you become like a personal shopper for somebody? So then you're working, your money is not being spent. You're earning money by spending other people's money for them.

NALEE 32:38

Because I want those things.

ANTHONY 32:40

But you could still do that. You could still who's okay, so you go to the store and your client wants you to buy a new couch, a new bed, and all new furniture. Instead of putting one in the shopping cart, put two. There you go. You got yours at your house, you got it for your client. And so you're spending their money.

NALEE 33:00

Baby, it's all about me.

ANTHONY 33:01

More power is to you.

NALEE 33:02

It's all about me. It's all about not doing nothing. You know, like Matt LeBlanc. Matt LeBlanc says from Joey from Friends, I love doing nothing. You know, like, yeah, if I didn't have to do anything, I wouldn't

The Joy Of Doing Nothing Detour

NALEE 33:20

do nothing at all. If I could stare at a blank wall and be like, you get paid or you have a hundred billion dollars to stare at this blank wall, baby, I'ma sit so fucking close to that fucking wall and be like, I see you all. I see you.

ANTHONY 33:35

Okay, well that's not even that you can't even compare that or bring that into the s like situation. I think anybody would sit in a fucking white room for 48 hours and stare at a fucking wall for $10 million. I would do that.

NALEE 33:51

Not people in call solitary confinement. They would they don't want to do that.

ANTHONY 33:54

I bet you the hell they would.

NALEE 33:58

I'm just kidding.

ANTHONY 33:59

People will do people will do anything to get the money. But it's a matter of once you have that money, are you going to continue doing nothing?

NALEE 34:07

Yeah, I'm gonna continue doing nothing.

ANTHONY 34:10

I feel okay. More power to you.

NALEE 34:13

Yeah, I love doing nothing. I manifest.

ANTHONY 34:16

Everybody loves doing nothing, but it's like, how do you justify doing nothing on the everyday?

NALEE 34:21

I think the thing is.

ANTHONY 34:22

How would you not get bored? That's my question.

NALEE 34:24

The thing is, here's the thing. I think that I'd probably do nothing for like a very good amount of time. I don't know, for two weeks, a month, maybe a whole year. And yeah, when I'm bored occasionally, then I'd be like, oh, maybe I should do my toenails, or you know, maybe I should do my one nail. You know, but I'd be like, okay, accomplished. My one nail's done. Time to do nothing again. Like that would be chef's kiss for me.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

Okay.

NALEE 34:57

It's not that I'm it's not that I'm lazy, it's just again, I've been doing something all my life. I think I deserve to do nothing for the rest of it, you know. But yeah. I understand what you're talking about though. I think I think it definitely depends on your lifestyle, like, and who you are. Like for me, again, it's the I've done so much where it's just like, can I just get a a break? Can I just get rest to rest by a little bit, you know, like what whatever they say. But I think if it's somebody who's always had to work, like you, or I mean, I've always had to work too, but like, for example, like my mom and my dad that we've talked about before, where like they just can't sit still. I think you're that type of person where you're like, okay, what do I do now? Like you're you're waiting, you're so used to having to do something where you're like, okay, you know what, I can't just sit around and wait. But whereas me, I'm the type of person where I'm like, okay, you know what? I've worked a lot. I just wanna chill now. Like, I don't want to do nothing. Like, if I could do nothing for the rest of my life, I would do nothing for the rest of my life. And call it lazy, call it what whatever, call it non-motivational, call it whatever. But baby, all I gotta say is, if I don't gotta do nothing, I ain't gonna do shit.

unknown 36:14

Yeah. Damn.

NALEE 36:15

Well, we really tangent it off. Yeah, I had like a five-minute speech on doing nothing. But anyways, okay, I have one last question for us. Okay. Let me find that real quick. The last question here, really quick.

ANTHONY 36:29

I still say that you would get bored doing nothing.

NALEE 36:32

I probably would. I I I'm pretty sure I'd get bored. I may be a little crazy too, but I think to have the option to do nothing compared to doing something, I'd do nothing.

ANTHONY 36:45

Oh, I have the option, yeah.

NALEE 36:47

Yeah.

ANTHONY 36:48

If I had the option to work two days a week and then just do nothing and do whatever I wanted the other five days a week, sign me the fuck up.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

Yeah. I don't know.

ANTHONY 37:00

I was just filling, I was filling in the the silence while you're finding your question.

NALEE 37:07

Yes. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, so Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. So my question now is self-preservation a moral justification? Is protecting your livelihood selfish or is it just human?

ANTHONY 37:21

Can you repeat the question?

NALEE 37:23

Yeah. Okay. So it's like a two-parter. Is self-preservation a moral justification? Is protecting your livelihood selfish or is it human? Did you want me to repeat it one more time?

ANTHONY 37:37

Can you repeat it one more time? No, I'm just kidding.

NALEE 37:40

This dumb bit, okay.

ANTHONY 37:44

I think self-preservation, I think it's human. I think it's just human. I think it's just natural instinct, right? And this kind of goes back to our apocalypse episode. It's like survival. We go into that automatic survival mode, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Yeah.

ANTHONY 38:03

We and again, and it does fall back to that thing that my grandma said. You gotta look out for yourself. You gotta So I think self-preservation is human. And then what was the first part of that question?

NALEE 38:13

Is self-preservation a moral justification? Is protecting your livelihood selfish or human?

Is Self-Preservation Moral

ANTHONY 38:22

Do you want me to repeat that question? No, I'm just thinking, I don't think that it's a moral justification. Do you think it's a moral justification? I feel like it's just one of those things where it's like, it's just a natural instinct. It's like, I don't think it has anything to do with your morals.

NALEE 38:38

Okay. I would say that it it it is. I would say self-preservation, or in this situation, it is a moral justification because obviously what what's right to me may be wrong to you, or what's wrong to you may be right for me. You know what I mean? I definitely think I think so. I mean, obviously there's a big difference between what's right and what's wrong. Clearly.

ANTHONY 39:02

But see, that's kind of where I am at. Like it's either, it's either right or it's wrong. And I maybe I'm just being selfish now, but I'm like, I feel like in like I feel like it's a universal thing. There's the difference between right and wrong, and it really has nothing to do with how you're brought up or your personality or your family. Like, you hit somebody with a car, that's wrong. But I don't nobody can justify the other side of it.

NALEE 39:31

You can. What if they were walking slow and you you were your wife is about to have a kid?

ANTHONY 39:41

I like that you're bringing humor to the episode, but no, there's no justification for it. It there's right and there's wrong.

NALEE 39:49

Okay. Stirring shit up like usual.

ANTHONY 39:51

But now you no literally, now I'm thinking, are there things in this world that can be justified based on how you're brought up?

NALEE 40:00

Yeah. A thousand percent.

ANTHONY 40:02

Like what? Give me an example. Give me an example of something that you would say is wrong, whereas somebody else would say, no, that's right.

NALEE 40:10

Okay. We're gonna go down this path. Yeah, because I'm genuinely Okay, this is just like a broad example. Okay. Another one. A broad example. A broad example, a hypothetical baby within our big hypothetical question.

SPEAKER_03 40:24

Okay.

NALEE 40:25

Okay. So let's say me or there's a couple, right? And you know, the wife wants to leave the husband because she feels that she's no longer she's no longer in love with the husband, right? And so what she thinks is right is for her to leave him. And she thinks that, you know, once she leaves, like she doesn't know an explanation or anything like that because it's her choice to leave. And the right thing to do would be to leave him because she no longer loves him. But on the flip side, he is like, hey, like, you know, I think we we should try working this out, or I think we should at least have a conversation about it. But then the other person's like, nah, like I already told you, we don't need to talk about this. And on the on the guy's side, he's thinking that, okay, well, you know what? I think I think we need to at least have a conversation or whatever. And it's right for you to at least give me an explanation. But then on the flip side, the girl's like, well, you know, I think I'm right, and I think whatever I'm doing is correct to, you know, to leave you or whatever. So that's probably the way I explain it, it's probably not as clear as I was thinking. So let's say me and you. I should, I should always use me and you as an example. I don't know why I gotta use it.

ANTHONY 41:45

You're really bad about being like, well, Cindy in Massachusetts was driving to go see John in Florida.

NALEE 41:51

Okay, okay, let's say you and I. Okay, we're a couple. Okay, we're a couple. Sorry, y'all. Excuse my I'm dumb. Leave me alone.

ANTHONY 42:00

You're not dumb.

NALEE 42:01

And it's funny because I'm the one doing the hypotheticals, which is but that's besides the point. So, anyways, let's say you and I are a couple, and I want to leave you because I feel like, I don't know, maybe the grass is greener on the other side, or I'm just not interested. I'm just not in love with you anymore.

ANTHONY 42:17

And I feel like the right thing to do is to leave you because I'm gonna I'm gonna interrupt you throughout this entire story. Okay, so pause. Right here, I feel like anybody in the world would agree with you. You are right in the fact that you don't love me anymore. You don't want to be in a relationship with me. It is right for you to walk away and leave the relationship. Unpause. Continue.

NALEE 42:44

Okay. But then the thing is, here's the thing. We have we have children, we have a house together, we have all these things that we're committed to. And I understand the part of, you know, like if I'm no longer, if this relationship is no longer serving me, I gotta do what's right for me. I understand that. But then again, there's layers to that. And yeah.

Universal Right And Wrong Debate

ANTHONY 43:10

So layers, how so?

NALEE 43:14

Because what if what if you're you're a certain type of person? Like, what if you're like an avoidant? Or what if you're like, whatever the fuck? Like what if you you're afraid or you're self-sabotaging? That's another example. Like, what if you're self-sabotaging and you feel like it's right, and then you leave, and then I don't know, you find out that wait, like at that time I was just scared or whatever. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 43:38

No, you completely your story is falling apart already.

NALEE 43:44

It is falling apart. I'm falling apart. I don't know. Okay.

ANTHONY 43:49

You're creating more and more pockets and more and more layers to the story.

NALEE 43:53

Overall, I think let's just scratch the story because clearly I didn't think this through. No, I think you did.

ANTHONY 43:59

I think what You're going for. It's I'm just saying that I think sometimes whether you think that you're right for leaving me, but I think that you're wrong for leaving me for and but but at the same time you were saying it for two different things. You feel that you're right to leave me because you don't love me anymore. I think you're wrong to leave me because you're not giving this a second chance. They're two completely different things.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

Yeah.

ANTHONY 44:29

Or I think, or and what you had another thing that you had mentioned was I think that you're wrong for leaving without giving me an explanation. Again, two different things. You're right to want to leave me because you're not no longer invested in this relationship. But again, two things can be true. You're also wrong to leave me without giving me an explanation of why you're leaving me.

NALEE 44:53

Exactly. You explained it perfectly. Right now, this is why we're twin tangents. Yes. My brain is that meme of like the lady calculating what the fuck is going on. Like what's the case?

ANTHONY 45:11

All the different like mathematical equations.

NALEE 45:13

I'm stroking out like Cindy. Her new name is Courtney, but what Courtney would be like, bitch, are you stroking out? And I told her about our conversation about her being like Courtney. She's like, oh, I love that for me.

ANTHONY 45:25

Oh, okay. I love that for her too.

NALEE 45:27

Yeah, yeah. And so then, yeah, I mean, yes, yeah. You're you're exactly right.

ANTHONY 45:33

But again, I'm gonna time out again. So even in that situation, I feel like it's a universal thing. There's right and there's wrong. Yes, you are right. I feel like everybody in the world would agree that you have the right to leave a relationship that you're not invested in. Everybody in the world is going to agree that you would be wrong to leave the relationship without giving the other person an explanation as to why. You can't just be like, I'm not invested in this relationship. I fell out of love with you. That's it. We're done. I'm leaving. That's not fair to the other person.

NALEE 46:09

Okay, but that's the thing. What if they're what if they're it's right for them? They think it's right for them to just be like, you know what, there's there's no point of explaining anyways because it's done and over with. What if they're not gonna be able to do it? They're in the wrong.

ANTHONY 46:21

It's not it's if they're saying that that's right, they're wrong.

NALEE 46:25

But that's what I'm saying. What if they they genuinely think that that's the right thing to do? That's what I'm talking about. Whereas no matter what the scenario is, and that's that's what I'm that's the the other point to that is what if they they were brought up to think that that is the right thing? And you were because you were, and yeah, you explained it probably better than I did because y'all already know a second explaining shit. But let's just say if they were brought up in a family where they're like, oh, well, you know, that's just how that's just how I am. That's just how my family is, or that's just how I am. And they think that doing that is right, like they there's no way to convince them otherwise.

ANTHONY 47:07

So that same situation for everybody in their family in that family, they're gonna think that what they're doing is right.

NALEE 47:14

Sure, yeah. In this situation. And they, you know, like in this situation, he's just like, well, that's just how I was brought up, and this is what I believe in, and I know I'm right, and I'm doing the right thing, whether you feel like it's right or wrong. That's just the that's the point I'm trying to make, is that Okay, I'm gonna There's always scenarios where yes, there's a right, there's a clear right, there's a clear wrong answer.

ANTHONY 47:37

However, exactly. So that falls onto that person.

NALEE 47:41

Right. But at the same time, some people who are, I don't know, ignorant or they're like stubborn or they believe certain things, they will always believe that they're right, no matter if there's a right or wrong situation.

ANTHONY 47:55

Okay, yes.

NALEE 47:56

I guess, I guess I should have just said that in the very beginning to avoid this 15-minute tension.

ANTHONY 48:02

I I do agree with you, and I'm just gonna throw this out there. Those people are delusional and they're part of the problem in society. Because again, in the world, there is right and there is wrong. There is no in-between. And if this person or some people are that delusional that they think what is wrong is right and what is right is wrong, again, those are the people, survival of the fittest. We just need to somehow figure out a way.

NALEE 48:37

Y'all stay y'all getting left behind.

ANTHONY 48:39

Remove them from society. And I never mind, I'm not gonna go there.

NALEE 48:44

But go. We got we got time. Say real quick. Say what you chess.

ANTHONY 48:48

Well, uh no, I was just gonna say it's the same thing with everything that, you know, we had that fan mail and like we're not gonna talk politics, but everybody in the world is saying that our president is, you know, a wannabe dictator. Nobody in the world is liking him except for dictators. One of these things is not like the other.

NALEE 49:14

Okay, see, that's a good example of what I'm saying. I should have just said that instead of the relationship

Dexter Dilemma: Ends And Means

NALEE 49:20

thing.

ANTHONY 49:20

My brain is whatever, but all the experts are saying tariffs are going to be a cost for the American, for America the citizens, right? Everybody, except for the Trump administration. It's like these are the things that I'm talking about. Like, there's clear right and wrong.

NALEE 49:42

But that's what I'm saying. Everybody else is that what if they truly believe in their hearts of hearts that they're right?

ANTHONY 49:49

Then again, that person is Jululu. That person is a negative impact on society. That person needs to see a therapist and see, look inward a little bit more. There's a universal right and wrong in every situation.

NALEE 50:04

Okay. I'm gonna put a poll on that. All right, guys.

ANTHONY 50:07

Okay.

NALEE 50:07

Do you believe that there is a universal right and wrong? I'm gonna put a poll on that. Okay, so just to just to end this question, you think there is a universal right or wrong?

ANTHONY 50:20

Yes. Okay. If if I punch you in the face because I felt it was the right thing to do, was what I did wrong?

NALEE 50:30

No. I deserve to get punched.

ANTHONY 50:33

You deserve to Okay.

NALEE 50:35

Yeah.

ANTHONY 50:36

Alright then. Good to know for future reference.

NALEE 50:38

Yeah. It's not that thing of like if I threw the coin at you and you swung at me, I deserve to be swung at. I ain't gonna be like, what the fuck was that for? I'm gonna be like, oh, sorry I scared you.

ANTHONY 50:51

So you had it coming.

NALEE 50:53

Yeah.

ANTHONY 50:54

Okay.

NALEE 50:55

Period.

unknown 50:55

Okay.

NALEE 50:56

But that's not in every situation, obviously, but I'm just saying, like, I I think my answer to that is I think in certain scenarios it's not it's not in all cases. I think there's certain situations where it doesn't always apply. There's not a universal right or wrong. Cause let's just say, for example, again, and that's what I'm asking for.

ANTHONY 51:19

Give me a situation where universal right and wrong does not apply. And that's what I'm gonna ask our listeners. Go onto our socials. I give me a situation because I, for the life of me, I cannot think of one.

NALEE 51:32

Okay. I can't think of I I can think of some, but I Let's hear it. No, I already, I already stuck at explaining uh I don't want to embarrass myself for the third time on the same podcast of my horrible situations.

ANTHONY 51:48

Your situation, your situation are not horrible.

NALEE 51:52

But I'm just saying, I just don't believe, I can't think of a good example right now, but I don't think that every situation has a universal right or wrong answer. My only thing is, okay, this scenario may not pan out like how I want it to, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

ANTHONY 52:09

I'm gonna put holes in your story right away.

NALEE 52:11

Yeah. Like, for example, pedophiles, right?

ANTHONY 52:16

Wrong.

NALEE 52:17

No, I didn't even say my story. Let's say my story. Okay. Okay. So it's like a visual anti-scenario, right? If I found out that my neighbor was a pedophile and I have clear evidence that they're a pedophile, and this is again, it's probably not realistic, or it is, it could happen. And Dexter, right? Dexter is a pure example of that. And I should oh my god, whoa, I just had a stroke. But Dexter, yeah. Like he kills for a living, okay, but he kills bad people, right? So in that situation, is he really doing a bad thing?

ANTHONY 53:01

He's doing a bad thing for the right reasons.

NALEE 53:04

My point exactly.

ANTHONY 53:05

But the question is, is is he doing a bad thing? Yes, he is what he is doing is wrong. Yes. I'm not condoning what he's doing by any means.

NALEE 53:14

But you're also okay with what he's doing.

ANTHONY 53:16

I well, I would turn him in.

NALEE 53:18

I wouldn't. Dexter, I wouldn't turn you in. You wouldn't. I'd work with you. Nope. I'd be the ice truck killer.

ANTHONY 53:24

Oh, well, now if there's the option to work with him, that's another story. That changes things a little bit.

NALEE 53:30

Yeah, but I mean, just I don't know. For me. But the I don't know. I wouldn't For me, I wouldn't turn him in. I'm just gonna be honest. Like, it's not that I'm enabling what he's doing. It's just population control, baby.

ANTHONY 53:44

Okay, but again, the question is is what he's doing wrong, right?

NALEE 53:48

I would say he's doing the right thing.

ANTHONY 53:50

You would say he's doing the right thing. Okay, see? Now here's the situation where two people are gonna I mean, you're wrong, but Am I? Yeah. Murder is murder.

NALEE 54:00

Not if you're murdering a fucking pedophile or you're murdering people who murder people.

ANTHONY 54:05

It's still murder. How so let me ask you this. How is what he's doing, how do you justify it his murder versus somebody else's murder?

NALEE 54:14

It's the intent of the kill.

ANTHONY 54:16

But how do you know that the person he murdered didn't murder for the same intent?

NALEE 54:20

I don't know, boy.

ANTHONY 54:22

I'm just saying universally, murder is wrong, regardless of intent or reason.

NALEE 54:28

I'm gonna agree to disagree, but okay.

ANTHONY 54:31

Okay, I'll agree to disappear. I mean, because I can debate this all day.

NALEE 54:35

I'm not gonna go out there and obviously stab people and be like, you deserve to die. No, I'm not gonna do that. But I'm just saying, you know, obviously it's better you than me, but you know, like I'm not gonna be like, oh, you didn't deserve to die. Like you was a pedophile, like you had it coming. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 54:56

See, but societally, society-wise.

NALEE 55:00

That's the thing. Don't depend on society. That's the part of the moral justification of like, yeah, okay, it's not nice to kill people, but did he deserve to die? Probably. And if he died, is the place gonna be a better world? Probably not, but it's one less person. And that's the point I'm trying to get at. And I'm probably not explaining it right because each time I explain it, I my brain wires it differently, it comes out differently.

ANTHONY 55:30

But all I'm saying is I think you hit a good topic speaking using pedophiles as an example.

NALEE 55:36

It's not always black and white, it's a gray area. Gray area.

ANTHONY 55:40

Yeah, I'm gonna disagree there.

NALEE 55:43

But yeah, I'm gonna agree to disagree that everything is morally right or wrong. I think there are certain scenarios where you're just like, I could see that. That's what's up. R.I.P.

ANTHONY 55:59

Well, R.I.P. this conversation. We'll agree to disagree.

NALEE 56:03

Yeah. All right, audience. It's up to you guys. Yeah, it's up to you guys on social media. Y'all bitches need to start interacting. I see y'all looking at our stories. Why don't you? It's literally one click away. Like, I'm not gonna judge you. We're not gonna judge you. We are here for the entertainment. We are here for the chaos.

ANTHONY 56:23

We're here to provide the entertainment for sure.

NALEE 56:26

Like, what's wrong with clicking that like or like clicking the agree or whatever? You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 56:33

Agree or whatever.

NALEE 56:35

Y'all some bitches is what it is.

ANTHONY 56:38

That's why they won't like click.

SPEAKER_01 56:39

Yeah, probably.

ANTHONY 56:40

Like, she called me a bitch.

NALEE 56:44

Would you rather be called a ho called a hoe? Because apparently ho's ain't res resonating with y'all either. So tell me what other word I could threat you guys with for you guys to interact with us. Okay.

ANTHONY 56:57

Threatened. But threatening.

NALEE 56:59

But um that's the end of Nolly's hypothetical hotline.

ANTHONY 57:07

Gonna end it on that note.

NALEE 57:09

But yeah, come back in two week two Wednesdays from now. And we'll talk about our next hypothetical hot line.

ANTHONY 57:18

And I'll put more plot holes in Nolly's stories.

NALEE 57:21

Yeah. Come.

ANTHONY 57:23

Poke more.

NALEE 57:24

Yeah. Y'all, I can't. I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't.

Audience Poll And Closing

ANTHONY 57:31

Y'all let us know is there a universal right and wrong for every situation.

NALEE 57:36

Or do you also agree to disagree? Mm-mm.

ANTHONY 57:41

I don't want that as an option in the poll. It's either yes or no.

NALEE 57:46

Yes or no.

ANTHONY 57:46

Yeah. I want to know where everybody stands.

NALEE 57:49

Okay. What do you think Josh is going to say?

ANTHONY 57:52

I think using the story of Dexter killing pedophiles, he's going to agree with you that Dexter is in the right.

NALEE 58:01

Mmm. Okay. So that's going to be what the poll is. I'm the based on the Dexter story that we talked about. And if you don't know what Dexter is, just to give you a little preface, I thought this was the end of this, but I'm just going to give y'all a little information. Dexter is a serial killer who kills bad people. That's it. So based on the Yeah.

ANTHONY 58:21

I just want to throw in there is that little caveat that he does murder people who are bad who have fallen through the cracks of the system.

NALEE 58:31

The system, yeah.

ANTHONY 58:32

So like they've gone to court and got let off for whatever reason.

NALEE 58:37

Like the pedophile example I'm saying. He would kill that pedophile person. Which is coincidentally, spoiler alert, their first episode.

ANTHONY 58:47

Just going back to that situation. See again, I'm not sure.

NALEE 58:51

We're not done yet. We're not done yet. We got to do that.

ANTHONY 58:53

We could debate this all day. So yes, it is wrong for Dexter to murder the pedophile. Yes, what the pedophile did was wrong to do. Yes, it is wrong for the pedophile to be on the streets again.

NALEE 59:06

But that's but you are in agreement for him to die.

ANTHONY 59:10

I'm not in no, I'm not justifying that Dexter should murder him. Because what that because that is wrong.

NALEE 59:16

So if it was like that, then Dexter just wouldn't kill anybody then.

ANTHONY 59:20

He'd just be a good guy who ain't gonna kill nobody, even if But I also don't agree that that pedophile should be on the street. They should not be released back into the community.

NALEE 59:32

Where he's gonna go. Where he's gonna go. Oh my god. Where is he gonna go? He's gonna go to the gas chamber. That's where he's gonna go.

ANTHONY 59:39

That's what we need is we need the gas chamber.

NALEE 59:42

We don't need the gas chamber. That's that's depressing. But anyways, all right, I'll put out that poll.

ANTHONY 59:48

Okay.

NALEE 59:49

Thank you for tuning in to this week's hypothetical hotline. We'll see you guys two Wednesdays from now. Bye. Bye.