A Year Ago Nalee: The Interview We Saved For Later

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One year ago—before Twin Tangents became what it is now, before the tangents got louder, before the inside jokes multiplied, and before “oui oui” somehow became part of the chaos—we recorded this episode with one goal:

Save it for our one-year anniversary.

In the early days of the podcast, Anthony turned the mic toward Nalee for a full interview—digging into the thoughtful questions, the hilarious questions, the vulnerable moments, and everything in between.

And then we tucked it away.

Now, exactly one year after releasing our very first episode, we’re finally sharing it.

And honestly? It feels like opening a time capsule.

This bonus episode gives listeners a chance to meet Nalee as she was a year ago—before another year of life, growth, podcasting, chaos, healing, and countless tangents—and hear the version of her from the beginning.

What’s changed?
What stayed exactly the same?
What hits differently hearing it back now?

There’s a lot of laughter, heartfelt moments, chaotic side stories, and the kind of honesty that feels very Nalee—equal parts healing, hilarious, thoughtful, and completely unfiltered.

In this episode, we tangent through:
✨ Nalee’s outlook on life, relationships, and showing up authentically
✨ Family, culture, and what being Hmong means to her
✨ Cooking, traditions, and the people who shaped her
✨ Friendship red flags, loyalty, and protecting your peace
✨ Learning not to shrink yourself for other people’s comfort
✨ Gaming obsessions, harmless chaos, and some very questionable teenage decisions
✨ The dreams, priorities, and mindset Nalee had one year ago

Whether you’ve been with us since episode one or you’re newer to the hoemmunity, this one feels extra special.

A look back.
A little time capsule.
And a chance to hear Nalee exactly as she was in the early days of Twin Tangents.

Thank you for spending this first year with us—for listening, laughing with us, and letting us be exactly who we are every step of the way.

Now the real question:

How much has Nalee changed in one year… and how much is exactly the same?

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Transcript

ANTHONY 0:15

Welcome back to Twin Tangents because Therapy was booked, the only podcast where vulnerability is mandatory, delusion is sometimes respected, and at least one of us is probably spiraling. Today, we're doing something a little different. We're peeling back the glittery, chaotic, emotionally layered onion that is my co-host, best friend, and unlicensed life coach, Miss Nalee.

Speaker 0:39

Ayy.

ANTHONY 0:40

Ayy, you hear her every week, but today we're going a little bit deeper. Past the jokes, the trauma tangents,

Welcome To Nolly’s Inner Universe

ANTHONY 0:47

the conspiracy theories, and the don't start nothing won't be nothing energy. This is the get to know the real her episode. The soft parts, the spicy parts, which Nalee really loves, spice. Yeah, dude. The cultural parts, the petty parts, all of it. So buckle up, hose, grab a snack, probably grab some tissues, might help. And let's dive into the mind of a woman who is equal parts healing, haunted, and hilarious.

NALEE 1:15

Damn, that was a nice introduction.

ANTHONY 1:17

Yes.

NALEE 1:18

I didn't give you that.

ANTHONY 1:20

I had to build you up for everybody.

NALEE 1:23

Oh wow, okay.

ANTHONY 1:24

Alright. So we're gonna start with the energy that you bring when you enter a room. Because when you enter a room, Nalee, it's all eyes on you.

Speaker 1:32

Is it?

ANTHONY 1:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1:33

Oh, thank you.

ANTHONY 1:34

You're you just radiate like yellow sunshine.

Speaker 1:38

Do I really?

ANTHONY 1:39

You do. I feel like you do.

Speaker 1:40

Oh, thank you.

ANTHONY 1:41

Even in the times that I can tell when you're just like you're going through it or you're just having a bad day, you're still you're almost like an eternal optimist. You're always po you always put a positive spin on things.

NALEE 1:52

I don't know, bitch. That hasn't been happening lately.

ANTHONY 1:56

But you've been you have. You have. You've been going through it lately, but Yeah.

NALEE 2:00

I love that. That's I hope that I bring that energy everywhere I go.

ANTHONY 2:05

I want to elevate my life to meet your energy.

NALEE 2:07

Thank you. I'm glad I can inspire you.

ANTHONY 2:09

You do inspire me. Thank you. Every day.

NALEE 2:11

All right.

ANTHONY 2:12

All right.

NALEE 2:16

All right. I'm gonna need a little more than that. I'm just kidding. Oh, you need okay. I'm just kidding. But yeah, I mean, I hope I bring that energy. In regards to like sunshine or whatever, yeah, I do try to be very positive because, you know, with all the negative stuff that's going right now, like I wanna be a positive light to at least somebody. And thank you for saying that. I really it really warms my heart.

ANTHONY 2:44

You kind of sounded like Chelsea from selling sunset there.

NALEE 2:47

Oh, did I?

ANTHONY 2:47

Sorry, Beb.

NALEE 2:48

Sorry, Bab. But yeah, I hope that I bring that energy that, like, hey, she's here. Like, the fun starting, you know? But I definitely hope that I bring like a lighter, you know, mood, vibes. Again, just kind of like, oh, she's officially arrived. Like, she's here, you know?

ANTHONY 3:06

I do feel that, and I do feel like with some people, you know, there are those people that you'll be like at a restaurant or something and you see somebody like walk in.

NALEE 3:12

Yeah.

ANTHONY 3:13

There's those people that you're just like, you see people walk in, but it doesn't phase them. But then there's people like you that when you walk in, it's like, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 3:22

Okay, she's here. She's here. Yeah. She's bringing it. All right.

Speaker 3 3:25

And thank you. You're welcome.

Speaker 3:27

I like that. Why are we so shy?

NALEE 3:30

What's going on? It's because it's me. I'm shy.

ANTHONY 3:36

One thing that I wanted to ask you, what what is a hill that you are willing to die on that would make most people raise an eyebrow?

NALEE 3:43

Oh, putting milk in a bowl before cereal. That's a fucking crime. Who does that?

ANTHONY 3:48

I never understood that. I never got that.

NALEE 3:51

Like, you put the cereal in first so you know how much cereal you can eat, and then you pour the milk into it so that it could submerge the cereal to like soak it up. Like, who pours milk first?

ANTHONY 4:03

I feel like it's easier to like ratio.

NALEE 4:06

Yeah.

ANTHONY 4:06

Like have

The Cereal Hill To Die On

ANTHONY 4:07

a cereal to milk ratio if you do the cereal first.

NALEE 4:10

Yeah, if you guys do that, you guys are serial killers.

ANTHONY 4:13

No pun intended.

NALEE 4:15

Yeah. But a psh. But yeah, I'm I don't know what that is about. Like, the fuck?

unknown 4:21

But yeah.

ANTHONY 4:22

That's weird. I don't get that.

NALEE 4:23

Yeah, I can't relate. Not here.

ANTHONY 4:25

What is one thing you've unlearned that completely changed how you move through the world?

NALEE 4:30

That's a very good question. I think as obnoxious and as like unbothered I'd see sometimes I I seem sometimes. One thing that's changed for me is the thought that not everybody needs to like you. Because in a room full of a hundred people.

Speaker 4 4:50

Let's go, Gaga.

NALEE 4:51

Just kidding. But yeah, it's just we I've said that quote already,

Not Everyone Has To Like You

NALEE 4:56

I already forgot it. But still, I think it's just not everybody needs to like you. It's the thing of like I've always said, you're not everybody's cup of tea, and that's okay.

ANTHONY 5:03

And was there a certain experience or a certain moment that you were like, you know what? Not everybody needs to like me.

NALEE 5:09

Yeah. I think I I don't know if I've ever told this story. I think I did, but it's that moment that kind of clicked in my head where I was just like, I don't even need you to like me.

ANTHONY 5:19

Like, like what was the situation? Tell us the story.

NALEE 5:21

I feel like I have talked about this, but I'll do a recap anyways. So me and my girlfriends, we went out of town, and then my my girlfriend, she one of my girlfriends, she we were meeting up with some of her other mutual friends. And then there's this specific girl when I met her, I told her, I'm like, oh, you're very pretty. And then I think I don't know if she took it weird or whatever, but then the next time I saw them, it was like right after we got ready. I did tell the story because you made a lesbian joke, but I told her again when we were like all meeting up, and I was like, Oh my god, I already look so good. Like, and I was like, You're so pretty. And then she was just like, Yeah, but I like Dick. And I was just like, I'm just like, girl, I'm just giving you a compliment. I like Dick too. Like, calm down, you know? And I think at that moment, like I've never had anybody say that to me, and maybe, maybe I was making her feel uncomfortable, like that waitress in Texas.

ANTHONY 6:12

But my thing is I was just gonna say it's a pattern with you, the waitress in Texas, the your friend, but that's Lisa.

NALEE 6:19

Yeah, that's the thing though, it's just like if you can't take a compliment, that's on you though. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not trying to scissor you or whatever. Like, I fully know that I like dick, and you don't need to tell me again that I like that. But it's just like if you can't take a compliment because maybe you're insecure or maybe you think that like you're too hot or whatever, you know what? That's on you. I was just being fucking nice. That's it.

ANTHONY 6:47

Okay, so I just wanna on that note, I just say like, I just wanna. I just wanna what happened to like girl power and like girls supporting films. Exactly. That's a straightforward compliment. And you come out, guns ablazing, I like dick.

NALEE 7:04

Like, if I was like, damn girl, look at your tits. Like, can I touch him? Then okay, I get it. You could say that. But no, I just said, Oh, you look very nice.

ANTHONY 7:11

Okay, tangenting off question on that. Do girls do that with each other?

NALEE 7:14

Well, my friends, we do. I would go, oh, damn girl, your boo your tits look real good. Like, I will say right now, boy, like that bitch, she got a nice set of tits. And I'd be like, Yes, girl, look at your boobies.

ANTHONY 7:24

Do you ever do you have any friends with like fake breasts that like No?

NALEE 7:28

I'm gonna be the friend with fake bare breasts.

ANTHONY 7:30

So I just think of that movie, what is it, the sweetest, is it the sweetest thing where they're in the bathroom and Christy yes, Christina Applegate, her character had breast implants and they're in the bathroom and the girls are just like feeling oh, they're really nice.

NALEE 7:43

We would do that.

ANTHONY 7:44

And the door's like closing and the guys are like looking in, thinking that they're I mean, we do that.

NALEE 7:49

I've touched Melissa's boobs, I've seen her ass too. I've seen everything of Melissa. That bitch.

ANTHONY 7:54

Who hasn't?

NALEE 7:55

Yeah. We love you.

ANTHONY 7:58

Love you, Melissa.

NALEE 7:59

But yeah.

ANTHONY 8:00

But you know it's true.

NALEE 8:03

But yeah, we uh yeah, we do that. But it's only with people that we're really close with. Obviously, we're not just gonna go up and fill somebody else's boobs. Like we got classics. I mean you would ask first. Yeah, obviously. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, when that whole that moment happened to me, I was just like, damn, okay. But again, it's it's what it is. Not everybody needs to like you. You're not everybody's cup of tea. And if a bitch can't take a compliment, that's on her, not on you.

ANTHONY 8:28

Amen.

NALEE 8:29

Yeah.

ANTHONY 8:30

Preach to that. That would have been a perfect opportunity for you to use your cookie gift.

NALEE 8:35

Like, oh, here's a cookie.

ANTHONY 8:36

I like dick. Okay. You want a fucking cookie? Congratulations.

NALEE 8:39

Yeah, like exactly. And the thing is, is that like if she was like on the side and she's like, hey, like, you know, I'm sorry, I feel a little uncomfortable. Maybe you're coming off too strong. I think that's fine. I would have been like, oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't I didn't mean it like that. But she said it like while everybody was there, like out loud. And I'm just like, bitch, trying to, you trying to, you trying to win something here?

Speaker 3 9:00

Like shots fired. Yeah.

NALEE 9:01

And I'm just like, well, like dig two, girl, don't you worry. Like I I'm married. I I you know, whatever.

ANTHONY 9:07

But there is there is a scene from an episode of Will and Grace where Karen walks in and she orders like, I don't know, like a martini or something from some person standing there and they go, I don't work here. And her response, and I'm just dying, I would l I'm gonna use this at some point in life. But her response was, that wasn't my question, was it?

NALEE 9:28

Yeah, exactly. But and yeah. But yeah. That's her next question.

Speaker 2 9:35

My next question.

ANTHONY 9:36

What is a compliment you didn't know you needed until someone had said it?

NALEE 9:40

Oh, I love that question. So recently, Polly, I talk about her a lot.

ANTHONY 9:46

Polly. Hi, Polly.

NALEE 9:47

Yeah, she's my other Ali. We always make that as a joke because she's Polly, I'm Nalee.

ANTHONY 9:52

So it's I caught on to that right away when you first introduced me to her, and I was like, Nalee, Polly.

NALEE 9:56

Yeah, but like when she she she came over, I had a little stroker.

ANTHONY 10:03

Practicing your seizures.

NALEE 10:04

Yes, yes, exactly.

Support, Age, And Real Honesty

NALEE 10:07

Um stupid. She came over and I think at that time she was like going through a hard time. And I try my best to be there for people because I know that like when you're struggling, it's really hard for you to just have that one person that you could say anything, everything, and they wouldn't judge you. And I I I I try to be that for people. And she told me, thank you for being there for me, even though you're my you're younger than me. And I think that made me realize that like support and wisdom isn't defined by age. Like I've mentioned plenty of times, like I learned I'm still learning from my younger brother, you know, like, and I think that's that like I don't know, that made me feel really good. That like, yeah, because I think in our family, I probably talked about it a lot too, maybe not, but growing up, you know, we always get told that, oh, you're the younger one, you don't know anything, you don't have enough experience, I'm older than you, and whatever I say is right, whatever you're saying is wrong. And I think that has embedded been embedded in like among society. I don't know, maybe in general.

ANTHONY 11:10

I think it's in general.

NALEE 11:11

But you can learn from people who's younger than you too, you know, like you don't have to be a hundred years old to know everything, you know. So I think that very that that was a compliment. I don't know if that's a compliment, but at the same time, I think it's a compliment. I was just like, oh, thank you, you know. But yeah.

ANTHONY 11:29

I love that. I think that that is great, and that, you know, we as a society, we really need to think about the fact that like things are constantly evolving, right? Things are changing, so you need to be open to hearing the other side.

NALEE 11:43

Yeah.

ANTHONY 11:43

I think it's just how how to look at things.

NALEE 11:46

Being open-minded to criticism or other opinions. Like not every time, not like every time somebody's telling you something, it's not a jab at you. And I think people when they get defensive and they're like, oh, like I don't I don't need to fucking hear from you, I think they don't realize that like people who care about you, they tell you realistic stuff. They don't sugarcoat anything. Right. And when they sugarcoat things, that's when it should be a problem. Like if you're drinking alcohol and you're gonna die and your friend says, Oh yeah, continue drinking, girl, like drink your heart out. No, you should be like, girl, you got a drinking problem, you need to slow it down. You know, like people who care about you shouldn't be scared to say that. But then again, I say Why are you looking at me?

ANTHONY 12:25

Didn't you say that?

NALEE 12:27

Because we're interviewing.

ANTHONY 12:28

You're do I have a drinking problem? Is that what you're am I reading between the lines?

NALEE 12:33

It's neither here nor there, Boo. You drink your heart out.

ANTHONY 12:38

So see now, listeners, I don't know if she's sugarcoating it or no, you're doing fine, Boo.

NALEE 12:44

You've made such a big improvement. I'm so proud of you. I told you that like your dr your drinking now has slowed down so much from since when we worked at the further.

ANTHONY 12:53

Yeah.

NALEE 12:54

So you should be proud of that.

ANTHONY 12:55

I think it was like looking back on it now, like for me, I think it was just like stressful. It was like my coping. It was it was my coping mechanism with everything in life.

NALEE 13:04

Being a self-certified, self-approved, self-diagnosed therapist, yeah, it's definitely a coping mechanism to stress.

Speaker 2 13:16

See, it takes stress out of it.

Speaker 13:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2 13:18

Yeah.

Speaker 13:20

All right, what else?

ANTHONY 13:21

Well, I'm just thinking, is there anything else that I really want to know? Well, of course there is. Let's let's just move on. That was just the surface layer. But now let's let's crack open your hood. Let's look under your hood.

NALEE 13:34

Okay.

ANTHONY 13:35

Emotionally, sp spiritually. Let's talk about the Nalee that was raised, shaped and sharp. Let's go into your family roots. I want to know a little bit more about your family. I know that we've I've made comments before because I always love when you start talking about like your Hmong heritage and rituals and things, I your culture. I really do thoroughly enjoy those stories because I like learning about other cultures.

NALEE 14:01

I love that. Yeah. What you got?

ANTHONY 14:03

So what is a personality trait that you inherited

Family Roots Told Through Food

ANTHONY 14:06

from your family that you're low-key proud of?

NALEE 14:07

Well, for sure, cooking. Like we talked. We talked about how innocent my mom is. Her hobby is cooking. But I picked up a few skills here and there.

Speaker 4 14:16

You gave her shit.

NALEE 14:17

Yeah, I did. But I love my mommy's cooking. She's yeah, I love her. I love my mom. Like I think like my parents, they don't say I love you a lot because obviously they're in a different generation. But cooking is definitely our love language. And like, even my sisters, we do that. Even my brothers, they do that.

ANTHONY 14:38

Like your brothers can cook?

NALEE 14:39

Yeah, my brothers are they're parents. Oh, that's really good. Yeah. But yeah, like for sure it's cooking. I mean, my dad cooks too, but majority of the time it's my mom. And you know, even now, like when I go over sometimes to go visit them, she would be like, What do you want to eat? And I'd be like, You know, mama, you know what I want to eat, you know. But it's also the thing of like she knows what I like too. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you could cook food for everybody, but of course she does.

ANTHONY 15:05

She's your mom.

NALEE 15:06

Yeah. So but yeah, I love you, mommy.

ANTHONY 15:09

What what's your favorite thing to cook?

NALEE 15:11

Like me personally?

ANTHONY 15:12

Yeah, you personally.

NALEE 15:13

I would say red curry is probably my favorite thing to cook.

ANTHONY 15:17

I've never had curry, but I really want to try it.

NALEE 15:19

I'll make it for you sometimes.

ANTHONY 15:20

Okay.

NALEE 15:21

Yeah.

ANTHONY 15:21

I'd be scared to try yours because I know you like to have your butt blown out.

NALEE 15:24

Well, I can make it non-spicy.

ANTHONY 15:26

Okay.

NALEE 15:27

Yeah.

ANTHONY 15:27

But I like spice. I just don't want to. Oh, do you? Yeah, just not as much as you. Oh. Sometimes you.

NALEE 15:33

You think I eat spicy? Pali and my other sisters, bitch, I can't. Like her her bowl, like their bowl of s fug or whatever, it's literally like beyond red. Like it's maroon. Yeah. So I could take heat, but not as crazy as other people. So but yeah, but it's it's cooking. I think that's I'm kind of glad that I know how to cook. Obviously, that's on plump and thick, but yeah, I love myself a little too much. That's why I'm thick.

ANTHONY 16:02

You don't you don't you can never love yourself a little too much. You love yourself. You love yourself. There's nothing wrong with that. But you love food. I do love food. We love food.

Speaker 16:14

We love food.

ANTHONY 16:15

Okay, so on the follow-up question, so follow up questions. The first one is what's your favorite thing to have your mom make for you?

NALEE 16:24

So my mom makes this like Thai eggplant salad. It's so good. Like is it cold? Yeah, it's cold. Okay. Like none of my siblings like it. Only my older brother and me like it. But like I devour that shit. Like, I don't even need to eat anything else but that.

Speaker 3 16:40

What's in it?

NALEE 16:40

So I don't know if you've ever seen a Thai eggplant, but it's like really really small, and then it's green and it has like white spots.

Speaker 3 16:47

I don't eat eggplant bacteri.

NALEE 16:49

You don't like eggplant? Oh, I love eggplant.

Speaker 3 16:52

I know Richard says the same thing on like eggplant.

NALEE 16:54

Oh yeah. But it's you eat it raw, so you don't cook it or anything. You just cut, excuse me, cut the like stem off, and then you cut into little slices, and then you put peanuts, mint, and pepper. And then you just kind of black pepper? No, like Thai chili pepper. Okay. And then you add a little fish sauce and you put a little like golden mountain sauce. What's that? It's like it's like a soy sauce. Okay. But you should try it. I feel like you would like go mountain sauce. But yeah, if you're like, if you're monk, if you cook a lot of monk foods, you know what go to mountain sauce is. But or any Asian dish dish really. But yeah, and then you just mix it all up and then you just eat it. It's so good. It's super fresh, like, and it's really light.

ANTHONY 17:35

With mint in it, yeah.

NALEE 17:36

Yeah, it's really good. My mouth is watering just thinking about it.

ANTHONY 17:39

I would try it.

NALEE 17:40

Yeah, I feel like you might like it.

ANTHONY 17:42

The fish sauce though throws me off. I have a problem when it comes to like fish sauce or like oyster sauce.

NALEE 17:47

Oh, okay.

ANTHONY 17:47

Like because I don't want anything too, I don't like anything too fishy.

NALEE 17:51

Interesting. I don't either. I put very little. Oh, and then you just add a little bit of salt, and then yeah.

ANTHONY 17:56

Okay.

NALEE 17:57

I'll have to if I make it, I'll have to Do you make it as good as your mom? Yeah.

ANTHONY 18:01

Oh, you do?

NALEE 18:02

I do, yeah. Because I like it.

ANTHONY 18:04

That was the reason that I I differentiated like what's your favorite thing to make and versus like what's your favorite thing that your mom makes.

Speaker 18:11

Yeah.

ANTHONY 18:12

Because you know, like there are things that like for me personally, I know this interview is about you, but I'm just trying to relate to it.

Speaker 18:17

No, that's fine. Yeah.

ANTHONY 18:18

But like my there were things that my grandma There were things that my grandma would make, and like I can't replicate them. And it's like I just I'm never gonna be able to have that again. So it's like if I could have that one meal, you know what I mean?

NALEE 18:31

Yeah.

ANTHONY 18:32

Do you have so your mom taught you how to cook? Taught all of your siblings how to cook.

NALEE 18:38

Yeah.

ANTHONY 18:38

All of your siblings can cook. Do all of them cook?

NALEE 18:41

Not my oldest brother.

ANTHONY 18:42

Oh.

NALEE 18:43

No, because he has his wife cooks for him. So and my brother and my two older brothers, their their wives cook for them, so I don't think they cook as much. But I think most of us do the only one who doesn't. Yeah, the only one who doesn't really cook that I've seen is my younger brother. But how old is he again? He's 22. Okay. Yeah. But I don't think he has the he doesn't really need to cook because obviously my s he lists my sisters and them, so but when he does cook, I think he knows how to cook like eggs and stuff. Oh yeah.

ANTHONY 19:14

Okay. So the basis.

NALEE 19:16

Yeah. Like he knows how to survive.

ANTHONY 19:18

Do you do you have like your m like mom's recipes written down or is it just in your head?

NALEE 19:24

It's what my ancestors tell me. So yeah. It's just yeah, I just have it in my head. I think the only dish, even though I love curry, is is my mom's curry.

ANTHONY 19:34

Like it's better than yours?

NALEE 19:36

Yeah. A thousand percent. Every time she eats, like she makes it, I'm just like, this is my mama's cooking. I already know.

ANTHONY 19:43

There's just something about homemade home cooked meals from your mom or from your parents.

NALEE 19:50

And I think the thing too is because she uses like she doesn't do shortcuts. Like me, like if you were like how my mom does it, she with curry, she uses the raw chicken and then she cooks it and then she puts the ingredients into it. So she uses like the raw flavors. But for me, I'm a little bit lazy and I'm impatient. So I use like rotisserie chicken. So then it tastes different.

Speaker 4 20:12

Yeah.

NALEE 20:12

But then at the same time, it's just convenient for me. But my mom, like, she don't cut no corners, she starts from scratch.

ANTHONY 20:19

So you know what her secret ingredient is?

NALEE 20:22

What?

ANTHONY 20:22

I was talking to your mom the other day.

NALEE 20:24

Love.

ANTHONY 20:24

Love.

Speaker 20:25

Yeah.

ANTHONY 20:25

Yeah.

Speaker 20:26

I love love.

ANTHONY 20:27

I love love. With the people in when people enter your life and people come into your life, at what point when when does somebody become important to you? And what like subtle shift happens and how you treat them?

NALEE 20:41

Well, you guys know I'm a bitch from the start. Obviously, Nalee bitch her.

ANTHONY 20:45

I can attest to that.

NALEE 20:46

And I think everybody feels that, like when they first meet me, because I have a resting bitch face. Yeah, you do. Yeah, I didn't realize that. I thought I was nice. I thought I was like sunshine and rainbows, but apparently I've not.

ANTHONY 20:59

I'm telling you that first time I met you at the further.

Trust, Guarding Your Peace, Loyalty

NALEE 21:01

Yeah, no, I that's kind of funny because I thought that I was like nice and like welcoming, but no, people was like, no, you look like a bitch. So and you, it's not just you. Cindy has told me that. A lot of other people have said that. So yeah, if I have a resting bitch face, but I promise I only bite sometimes. But for me, normally when somebody has made it past the threshold of like if I feel like I have like a genuine connection with you, obviously, you know, I lead a lot with compassion. And I kind of stop guessing what people's intentions are. Like, you know, I've I've told you guys time and time again, in my books, you are guilty until proven innocent. And once you become innocent in my books, you'll see my loyalty. I think that's also one big thing is that I let my guard down. I give you space to be yourself. Because again, if you can handle me, bitch, you're good. You're golden. But yeah, I I tend not to talk about myself a lot because I want to know who you are.

ANTHONY 22:06

What's what does that time frame look like as far as like letting your guard down to and like letting people in with you?

NALEE 22:12

I don't have a time frame.

ANTHONY 22:14

Yeah.

NALEE 22:14

It just depends person to person. Yeah, I have to kind of feel you out a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I I again, I think I have this thing where we have this thing where we could read people easily. And sometimes it's instant. Like, and we've we've talked about this in previous episodes, but if I meet you and I feel like the vibe's off, yeah, I'm gonna be standoffish. I'm gonna let you prove yourself to me. But if I feel that, oh, like this person's genuine, like I felt like I've known you for a hundred years or since I was a baby or whatever, I don't fucking know. But like if I feel a genuine connection, I may open up an opportunity to talk about something deep with you. And if I feel that you're being honest with that, then I'd be like, okay, next door. What's up? You know. So I mean, it sounds, it sounds kind of fucked up that like I'm giving people an audition to become part of my life. But I think as an adult and becoming an adult and you know, becoming more mature, and I realize that like my circle is really small for a reason because I feel like I've learned that not everybody has good intentions, you know? And you really uh it sounds really sad, but you kind of do have to guard yourself too because you do.

ANTHONY 23:28

You have to protect yourself and your peace.

NALEE 23:30

And that is like the first step to creating boundaries of like, okay, can I be honest with this person? Is this person honest with me? And how far do I want this relationship to go? Whether it's a girlfriend, boyfriend, spouse, you know.

ANTHONY 23:44

So on that note, have you ever had somebody in your life that you did reach that point? You've you felt the genuine connection, you trusted them, you let them in, you may have told them things that you don't just tell anybody.

Speaker 24:01

Uh-huh.

ANTHONY 24:02

And then the relationship went sour or they're no longer part of your life. And if so, how did you how do you how did you cope with that?

NALEE 24:10

I oh, we gonna get into this real deep, huh? I don't think so, actually, to be honest, because I am very guarded. I think if you know that you're my circle, you know. And if you're not, you can't you can't even get in. So, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 24:27

Yeah.

NALEE 24:28

And maybe I have, and I'm just not thinking about it right now. Like I maybe compartmentalize that and put it very, very deep into my brain. And I can't think of that right now, but I don't think I have.

Speaker 3 24:39

Okay.

NALEE 24:39

Because I'm also like I've talked about this. I'm also the person where like if I know that I'm not gonna have a relationship with you, I'm not gonna even go there. You know what I mean? If I know that I can't even build a connection with you, I'm gonna. Why am I gonna waste my time? Yeah, I'm not gonna waste my time. So hopefully that answers your question.

ANTHONY 24:55

That does answer my question. That's hold on.

Speaker 24:58

Okay, good. I'm gonna get drink one more. What else did I scale?

unknown 25:05

Okay.

ANTHONY 25:06

Because I had that happen. Yeah.

NALEE 25:07

Oh, I was gonna ask you. Like, I know this is about me, but Yeah, this is all about you, you know. I wanna know about you. Like, have you had that before?

ANTHONY 25:15

I have had that happen. And so that was what sparked that question was just, you know, that's I mean, kind of the point of our podcast is people being able to relate, connect, experience things from a different, you know, somebody else's perspective or understand a different viewpoint. So that was the reason that I asked because I did experience that. And so if you had, I wanted to know what your thoughts were on how to handle that.

NALEE 25:39

Okay, why don't you tell me your experience and maybe I could think about my experience.

ANTHONY 25:43

Oh, I mean I mean, I'm not gonna go into again, this is this is your episode, this is about you. I'm not I'm not gonna go into details, but I mean, I I just had an experience where you know you had mentioned we both feel like we're very good at like reading people, and there are those people that you come across in life that you're just like you instantaneously you know, like this is a good person. Yeah, I can feel it.

Speaker 26:04

Uh-huh.

ANTHONY 26:04

You know, and I did have some friends like that, and I mean we're no longer friends now.

NALEE 26:10

Give him a shout-out.

ANTHONY 26:11

No, not at all.

NALEE 26:13

No, damn, no, not at all. Okay. But look at me instigating.

ANTHONY 26:18

Yeah, look at me. But I had mentioned to you before, you know, I had I had dinner with one of my friends a while back, and I left that dinner and I was like, That's it. It's over, it's it's done.

Speaker 26:29

Yeah.

ANTHONY 26:30

But I still think about that because I I do still care for them. I'm still rooting for them. Like as a person, they're just not in my circle anymore. But it's a matter of, you know, there's those people that I've I've told things to that, and it's like, you know my secrets, or you may know certain things, and now that we're not friends, I'm hoping that I can trust that those stay buried. Yeah. You know what I mean?

NALEE 26:56

Now that I think of it, I don't think I have because I have a problem where I I honestly I think this is a real problem of mine where I give people too many benefit of the doubts and I stay longer than I should. Or I try to keep the relationship going when I need to be like, nah, this isn't serving me. Like, you know, this person doesn't benefit me. And it sounds selfish, but that's just what it is. Is that like, you know, is this person pouring into my cup? And yes, it's cliche, but it's true. Like, are you are you pouring into my cup? And vice versa, am I pouring into your cup? Am I being a good friend too? And are you being a good friend? You know, like it it's it goes both ways. And I think, like I said, I probably do have relationships where I should have been like, yeah, let's cut the cord. But then again, it's probably because I do value those little moments that we've had where I'm like, oh, well, you know, those are that's significant to me. But then again, there's that thing of like, okay, do those little moments hold enough compared to the other moments where they were inconsistent or they were like not there, they didn't show up for you. You know what I mean? Right. And that's my issue is that I'm just like, oh, like they'll come around, they'll come around. No, they'll come around. But time and time again, it's just kind of like that ain't it though.

ANTHONY 28:15

Now you said something that I just want to address. You said it probably is selfish, or it is selfish.

NALEE 28:20

Yeah.

ANTHONY 28:20

Being selfish gets such a negative connotation, and it it shouldn't, right?

NALEE 28:27

In certain situations, yes.

ANTHONY 28:29

In certain situations, but in most situations, when it comes to your peace, your life, your reputation, yeah, you deserve the right to be selfish, to protect that.

Speaker 28:40

Yeah.

ANTHONY 28:41

So that's true. Don't don't think of it as being selfish. Because again, it goes back to that the thing we've talked about with my grandma saying, like, you have to look out for yourself because at the end of the day, who's gonna be there for you? Yourself. Right? Now, on that note, okay. What is a friendship red flag that most people ignore but you take very seriously?

NALEE 29:03

Um yeah, like I mentioned in my answer to the previous one is inconsistency and how someone handles like being wrong. Because, you know, when somebody's words and their actions doesn't match, like even in the small ways, yeah, I'm like moving my hands.

ANTHONY 29:18

No, I'm over here waving my red flag because I'm like, I ain't never wrong.

NALEE 29:21

Yeah, but you know, like that that part, like the inconsistency part, it's taking accountability for saying, hey, you know what,

Friendship Red Flags That Matter

NALEE 29:29

I'm sorry, like I know I let just to put an example, like, hey, I'm sorry that um I couldn't show up last week, but let's go ahead and reschedule another appointment or another dinner. And if it's like missed time and time again, yeah, that's inconsistent to me. Yeah. It's just like you're giving me hope that oops, season one or episode one. Like you're giving me hope that you'll show up and be present, but then you disappoint me by canceling that or by not prioritizing that. And again, it's gonna sound selfish, but it's just what it is. Like inconsistency to me is a an immediate turnoff right now.

ANTHONY 30:05

Like So you say right now, so it's safe to assume that your red flags in in people evolves and changes over time.

NALEE 30:13

For sure. Yeah, like before, I would be I would be understanding. I would be like, oh, if your dogs, cats, moms died or whatever, yeah, go do whatever you gotta do. But the thing is, is that like when it comes horse. Yeah, or your aunt's horse. The thing is like inconsistency is yeah, the biggest turn off turnoff for me right now because we're adults, and if you want part of my time, you have to prioritize me too. You know what I mean? And I think that's one of the main things. And then like when somebody handles being wrong, like if they if they can't be like, hey, you know what, I I apologize, you know, I was wrong. And again, without shifting blame, that's you taking accountability for your actions. You know, and yeah, I think those are my biggest red flags is that if you can't be consistent, I'm not telling you to come every day and lick my ass. No. I'm just saying that like it's it's you know what I mean, like inconsistencies, like you know, and like if somebody's wrong, like own up to it. Yeah, own up to it and just be like, hey, you know what? I fucked up. I'm sorry I'm wrong. How can we move forward? Right. I I messed up. Let me know how I can fix this kind of a thing. You know what I mean? So yeah.

unknown 31:26

Okay.

NALEE 31:26

Hopefully that makes sense. Hopefully that answers your question. No, I'm just talking shit out of my ass at this point, but it does well, I mean, that was extended beyond the question.

ANTHONY 31:35

So I mean, that's that's great.

NALEE 31:37

Damn, this is a very serious interview.

ANTHONY 31:40

It is because I want to, I want, I want people. We're gonna end this year where people know us.

NALEE 31:46

Okay. I mean, if you didn't know us by the first five episodes, will you ever know us?

ANTHONY 31:51

We really want like I really want everybody to like know you so that when season two starts in 2026.

NALEE 31:58

They're like, oh, there's bitch again.

ANTHONY 32:00

And our episodes have evolved and maybe we're going to toward a different trajectory. Yeah. I want them to be able to be like, I understand Nalee. I know so much about Nalee at this point that I understand why she's well, one, why she's is the way she is. Yeah. But like why she's approaching certain things the way she's therapizing me. See. Again, betterhelp.com.

NALEE 32:28

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ANTHONY 32:30

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NALEE 32:32

Yes. Not sponsored, by the way.

ANTHONY 32:34

Not sponsored. Let's shift away from the relationships and into something essential.

NALEE 32:39

Okay.

ANTHONY 32:40

Your culture.

NALEE 32:41

All right.

ANTHONY 32:41

Because your identity isn't a fun fact, it's a whole experience. What is something that you wish people understood about the Hmong sisterhood culture?

NALEE 32:49

Well, you know, if first of all, if you guys don't know like what ethnic group I am, I am Hmong American. And I know a lot of people don't know what Hmong people are or where they're originated. Unfortunately, like we don't have a specific country or whatever, but we are of Asian descent.

Hmong Sisterhood And Community Bonds

NALEE 33:11

I don't think anybody really knows where the Hmong people came from, but it's a lot of China, Vietnam, Laos, and during like the Vietnam War, we assisted in like the Hmong people assisted in the war, and then majority of them, or I would say part of the Hmong community, migrated to the US. And then that's when people became citizens and stuff like that. But we have a large population in California, Minnesota, and I think like North Carolina. Really? Yeah. And Wisconsin. But back to your question, a little history there.

ANTHONY 33:48

I and I enjoyed the history.

NALEE 33:49

Yeah. I wish people understood that like Hmong sisterhood goes way beyond just being like related. There's this like unspoken understanding that we just show up for each other, you know, whether it's through shared responsibility, emotional support, or just kind of giving people space to grow. My opinion on like the Hmong community has definitely changed though. Um, I feel like a lot of like the older generation, they are very kind of stuck in their ways and they're not very open-minded. And that's not to say that, you know, we don't support each other or whatever, but it's very much still very traditional where, you know, men are supposed to be strong and they can't cry, and then women are supposed to be, you know, the housewives, they cook and they clean. And I think slowly we are kind of projecting away from that and being more modernized.

ANTHONY 34:45

But and do you think that that's due to the younger generation just trying to keep up with uh and I hope this doesn't sound bad, but like the Amer like American society in itself. Does that make sense?

NALEE 34:59

Yeah, I I don't think so. I think the thing is, is that like kids nowadays, half of them don't e more than half of them don't even know how to speak Hmong anymore. And it's just kind of like a lost like tradition, I feel like. Okay. But it kind of it kind of breaks into two. Like if you grew up in a traditional family, majority of the time, you're still gonna have that tradition. You're still gonna be involved in it, you're still gonna have like a little community doing Hmong, like traditional Hmong things. Whereas let's say if you started off with a traditional family, but then along the way your kids become more modernized, then their kids don't really know the traditions anymore.

ANTHONY 35:40

But where do you think that modernization is coming from? Where is it getting lost? Where's that the bucks not getting passed along anymore?

NALEE 35:47

So it's gonna sound really like, I don't know, but so uh, and I'm just saying this, no judgment, whatever. Yeah, it's not some it's not like a religious thing or whatever, but it kind of is. So with Hmong people, you either are traditional or you go to church. And when you go to church, you don't do any of the traditional stuff.

ANTHONY 36:06

So And there is a special like Hmong church, yeah.

NALEE 36:09

There's there's Hmong Church everywhere, but they don't because like traditional Hmong people, like we have we follow shamanism, or you know, that's just kind of like what we I don't know, I don't know how to word it, but we practice shamanism. I don't know if that's the right way to word it. But then with people who go to church, obviously they're Christians, they believe in Jesus and stuff like that, and it's the opposite, you know what I mean? Where like shamanism, it involves like spirituality and you know, you have rituals and stuff like that. Whereas Christianity, you believe in God, you pray for your sins, confess your sins and stuff like that. It's not you don't do a lot of like the spiritual stuff, and so then when you break, when you branch off into one of the two, that very that defines a lot of what you practice. So let's say if I am in a traditional Hmong family, like right now, like we do rituals and stuff like that, you know.

Speaker 2 37:07

Or spiritual.

NALEE 37:08

Yeah, spiritual and you know, if y'all see Gran Torino, we don't kill chickens like that, but like obviously we like sacrifice like cows and pigs and stuff, you know, to the ancestors. And then and compared to Christianity or whatever, it's it's it's the complete opposite where you don't do anything, you go to church.

ANTHONY 37:29

I think what you're trying what you're what's what you're trying to say is it's organized religion.

NALEE 37:34

Right, right. Yeah.

ANTHONY 37:35

It's organized religion with an agenda.

NALEE 37:37

Right. And so then so yeah, that's where it kind of breaks off. And it's not that one is good or bad, it's just you believe in different things now. You know what I mean? So hopefully that answers that question. I mean, that's just to me no, but to me, that's just my projection of it. I don't know what other people think. Right. Because I mean everybody has yeah, I'm not a news. I'm not a history teacher or nothing about the Hmong, the Hmong culture, but that's just how I grew up, and that's just what I see.

ANTHONY 38:06

I do know that we do have some Hmong listeners.

NALEE 38:09

Yeah.

ANTHONY 38:09

I just want to preface, I hope I should have stated this before, but I hope no point during this segment or this discussion do I come off as, you know, forgive my ignorance. I'm I'm not familiar. So I'm genuinely curious as to, you know, your traditions and again, I could be wrong.

NALEE 38:27

Like this is just completely from my knowledge of what I grew up with.

ANTHONY 38:31

So if and when you have children, is your plan to continue and pass along and teach them Hmong? Because you had made the comment that majority of Hmong youth today they can't speak the language.

NALEE 38:45

Well, yes, I do want to, if I ever have any kids, yeah, I I want to teach them Hmong. I want them to be versed in English and in Hmong. But funny thing is, my Hmong isn't even that great either. So, you know, like I'm gonna try really hard to keep it alive, but I don't know if it's gonna happen. They're gonna know the silly stuff. Like, you know, I'm gonna teach them the bad words only, but that's all they need to know. Yeah, but I'm gonna fucker, asshole. Yeah, I don't even think we have fucker or asshole.

Speaker 4 39:17

Really?

NALEE 39:17

Yeah, it's just with like Hmong swear words, it's more of like a phrase than it is an actual word.

ANTHONY 39:24

Okay, give me an example. Like, oh god, here we go.

NALEE 39:28

Okay, so like this is what I learned from Chili. If Chili's listening, this is really mean. Like, I don't say this because I learned it from her, but I'm still learning too. Like, I learned that like because like the our language, like when you say certain things, it cuts really deep. It cuts really deep. So, like, for example, when I say that means that like you stink of decay. That like the phrase is saying you stink of decay, but it's just kind of like it's it's like an insult to you. Yeah. So like to me, it's really funny because that's like the first thing I could think of, but it's kind of like that where we have phrases more so than we do in actual words.

ANTHONY 40:12

So you don't have okay, so you don't have any words that you would just be like you just be like for like bitch.

NALEE 40:17

Oh, we do. Like there there are words like that too. Like bitch.

ANTHONY 40:21

How do you say bitch?

NALEE 40:21

Maude.

ANTHONY 40:22

Maudei?

NALEE 40:23

Yeah, like Jimma Maudei. So if someone's a bitch and you know, you wanna stay Maude, yeah, that's that's the word. Maudet.

unknown 40:32

Maudei.

NALEE 40:32

Yeah, Maudei.

ANTHONY 40:34

The more you know, and shooting star. One thing that I just want to say on this, the what's kind of sparked this question was I did notice, like when I first came to your house swarming party.

NALEE 40:45

Mm-hmm. Oof.

ANTHONY 40:46

Listeners, let me tell you, I was the white boy in the room. Like, yeah. Everybody was Hmong, and then there was me. But you it was friends and family.

NALEE 40:56

Yeah.

ANTHONY 40:57

But you got like everybody was so close.

NALEE 41:00

Yeah.

ANTHONY 41:01

Like it it just like I don't and this is just my personal experience, but I don't feel like I see that a lot today with like uh families or friends, like so there there was just clearly something there that was like connecting everybody in that room.

Speaker 41:18

It's me.

ANTHONY 41:18

It's you it's that bright sunshiny aura that you bring. Yeah.

NALEE 41:24

Yeah. Yeah, I think it definitely depends on who the person is, to be honest. Like, let's say if I wasn't the bright, sunny person that I am, I don't think it would have that feeling either. You know what I mean? But I think in general, monk people, they are, they they like they have that connection.

Speaker 2 41:44

Yeah.

NALEE 41:44

It's that I don't know how to word it, but it's like it's the sisterhood, the bother brotherhood, it's just like you just know, you know what I mean? Like when I need help, you show up. When I have a celebration, you show up, kind of a thing.

ANTHONY 41:59

And so with my original question was specifically about the Hmong sisterhood culture.

NALEE 42:03

Yeah.

ANTHONY 42:04

Is it safe to say like it's not just it's just Hmong culture? It's not there's there's not a sisterhood culture and a brotherhood culture. It's just everybody works together and shows up for each other. It doesn't matter.

NALEE 42:16

Yeah. It it's not, it doesn't matter if you're a girlboy. It's just the Hmong community, we uh I must say this with care because sometimes it's not, but majority of the time we do try to root for our people. You know what I mean? Like, for example, like Sunisa Lee, the Olympian, like she like we support her a lot, but then again, it's kind of circling back to what I said. Sometimes it's also not the best. Like we get criticized a lot too when we go outside of culture, you know.

Speaker 4 42:50

What do you mean by outside?

NALEE 42:51

So for example, I'm gonna use Sunisa Li as an example, right? She's Hmong, she supports the Hmong community, but and I'm trying to, I'm trying to not I'm not gonna try to make it seem like we're the bad people or whatever or racist or whatever, but it it's part of that. She she was dating like a black man, and like a lot of people bashed her for that. Like, oh, like you're dating outside of the the Hmong community, like you know, you're dating a black man, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's not like a it's not like a race issue, but you know, it's just it, it's just sometimes they're really critical too. Like there's support, but at the same time, it's why are you dating outside of you? Yeah, it's like biased support. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 43:32

Yeah.

NALEE 43:32

Yeah. So, you know, I again I love being mm, and again, I'm not trying to say anything bad about it. But, you know, we I think there's a there's a like there's like a a fine line between like support and criticism. So it's like if you follow us, okay, we're good. But if you don't, it's just like you're automatically casted out, if that makes sense.

ANTHONY 43:54

Yeah, that does make sense.

NALEE 43:55

Yeah. But again, I'm not trying to make it sound bad. I'm just saying this is what I'm I'm observing. It's just Personal opinion. If you agree, disagree, that's on you boo. But yeah.

ANTHONY 44:04

Interesting. What is something about being Hmong that you wish more people actually asked you about?

NALEE 44:09

That's a very good question. For me, it'll be like the day-to-day realities of being Hmong. Like, you know, the little traditions, the family dynamic, the humor, and just kind of how our culture shows up every day. I know people ask like about like our ceremonies and stuff like that. But they really, you know, they rarely ask about like what it actually how it shapes you. And for example, like being a sister-in-law, like for me, I, you know, being a daughter-in-law or a sister-in-law,

Marriage Pressure And Double Standards

NALEE 44:41

I feel like it's one of the hardest positions you can put yourself in because you have, when you, when you get married into a family, you have all these expectations that are already that people already expect from you. Where you have you need to learn how to cook, you know how to communicate with the elders, you know, you get along with the family, and you're just supposed to take what everybody says, kind of a thing. You know what I mean? Because you're coming into their family. And, you know, I'm blessed because, you know, my my in-laws, they they know that, like, oh, you know, like I'm trying my best. But I know there are other pe other families where they don't like the sister-in-law and they like pick at her or you know, they like they make her suffer a little bit, you know what I mean? To kind of earn her place in like the family. And this is just me, I'm just saying that like comparing, oh my god, episode one, sorry. But just kind of comparing like different experiences, like being a daughter, a sister-in-law, a daughter-in-law is one of the hardest positions you could put yourself in in the Moan community. And I don't think that gets talked about enough because I've had the dynamic of both where, you know, I've married into a family where you're expected to do all these things on your own and you do it on your own. You don't have help. And then I have the other part where, you know, I do have a family who wants to support, wants to be there, wants to help, you know. So yeah, I just wished people in the Mo community would appreciate, you know, women more, I guess, instead of making them seem like, oh, they're a property, or well, because you're made into our family, you have to mend and tailor yourself to fit our family. Like, no, you should be able to accept me for who I am, regardless of what your family is. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 46:37

Yeah. And well, that's interesting from a standpoint of so first off, you said that there are those, there are some times where they would like pick on or kind of give like a hazing to you. Yeah.

NALEE 46:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's not in all scenarios. I'm just saying in general.

ANTHONY 46:53

Right. It's just that's interesting.

NALEE 46:57

Yeah.

ANTHONY 46:58

There's that mindset of trying to mold the perfect daughter-in-law or your sister-in-law. And is that and it's only with women.

NALEE 47:07

Yeah.

ANTHONY 47:07

Like it doesn't come from like your family with like your husband.

NALEE 47:11

No, and I'm probably making the moun community look real bad right now. But I don't think so. No, like, and I'm gonna be candid that like women don't have a lot of power in the moong community. Because again, if you do something wrong, you get looked down upon. If you move a certain way, that's not the same as every other woman or as a traditional woman wife, then you get bashed for that. For example, like, I'm just gonna put me as an example because I don't know about other people, but yes, I have friends, I go out, I'm social, and sometimes people look at that. Yeah, sometimes people are like, you have a husband, he should go where you're going, and you shouldn't be going out when he's going out or whatever. But it's just kind of like, I get that, but no, I'm my own individual. I should still have time to do things for me. And as long as I'm not out cheating, I'm not out fucking flirting with people, that should give you like line of sight that, oh, she knows her boundaries, she knows her priorities.

ANTHONY 48:15

She has respect for her man.

NALEE 48:17

Exactly.

ANTHONY 48:18

Yeah.

NALEE 48:18

Or and respect for herself. Like, if I was to go out and like grind on other men's dick and shit like that, and then come home, okay, yes, we have a problem. But I'm just going to hang out with my friends. Like, what's the big deal? He doesn't need to go anywhere I go. You know what I mean? And I think that that is a really big issue for just like the Moan community. Because let's say if you go out with your friends, you're automatically named as a hoe. Like if you have single friends and you go out and you're automatically known as a hoe. Like, oh, she goes out with her friend all the damn time. She's a fucking hoe. Like, that's not true though. I mean, yeah, majority of the time, maybe that's true. I don't fucking know. But again, I'm speaking from my experience. I think so. Is that like when I go out, like I know I have a husband at home. I know that I have a commitment. I know that I'm loyalty loyal and I know that I'm only here to hang out by my friends. That's it. You know what I mean? Yeah, I I'm could I could socialize and stuff like that, but it's not like it's not that serious. You know what I mean?

ANTHONY 49:18

Well, it almost sounds like does the monk like the traditional Hmong community, do they think that like once you're married, like your social life is supposed to be over?

NALEE 49:27

Yeah, pretty much, because once you're married, you have to follow what your husband does.

ANTHONY 49:32

So for example, it's 2026, babe. Exactly.

NALEE 49:36

And for example, the same I'm gonna the same example that I'm gonna use is going out. Men, Hmong men, like when they go out, and if let's say they they hit on girls or they buy a girl a drink, they're not gonna get bashed for that. They're just gonna get it's kind of the thing of oh, boys will be boys, kind of a thing. Yeah. But then when girls go out and oh, a guy got buys you a drink and you're drinking it, oh, you must wanna fuck him then. Like it's no, it's free alcohol. Exactly. Exactly. No, I'm just kidding. But, you know, it's just kind of like that double standard. And again, I'm not bashing the moan community. I'm just bashing what not bashing. I'm just saying what I'm observing, and that's just what it is. And you know And you're not okay with it. Yeah, I'm I'm not okay with that because there's also that thing of like, let's say if you're in a really bad marriage and you know, your husband doesn't fucking love you and he's cheating on you and whatever, or he's abusive, like his relatives would be like, oh, just be patient. He'll change, he'll become a better man. Like he's young, and you know, once he hits an age, he'll he'll he'll know what to do, he'll be sorry for it. But no, like women are supposed to just sit and be okay with that. They're supposed to be patient and yeah, it's submit to that. And oh, being divorced, being a divorced woman is like the worst thing ever. It's worse than being a fucking murderer in the monk community. And it's just like, bitch, no, like if if my person isn't being my fucking person, I'm not gonna stay in this relationship. You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna do what's right for me, whether or not you want me to wait, whether or not whatever. But I don't think, like in the moon community, I think they look down on you for having a fucking backbone, you know? And yeah, I get it. You know, there's there's that old love where like, you know, no matter what happens, you're you're gonna stay with that person, you're gonna stick with that person. Yes, there are those opportunities or there are those rare instances where you have a beautiful marriage, but right now with everybody being so shallow and shit, and you know, especially in the moon community, they don't really support their woman. Like, and it it's not just the moon community. I I'm sure like American families do this too, where like divorce is so frowned upon, but what you don't realize is the mental, the mental like trauma that comes within a marriage where you're just you're just surviving in the relationship compared to you doing things for yourself, bettering yourself, you know? And I don't think I don't think people realize that. Is that would you prefer to stay in a marriage where you're unhappy and you hate each other? Or would you rather be divorced and be happy with yourself, just to put in perspective, you know? Which one of the two? Which one is the lesser evil?

ANTHONY 52:19

It's it's such a sticky thing, because again, this I mean, we're treading in like for me, the way that I'm looking at it is like it really does boil down to traditions and religion.

Speaker 52:34

Yeah.

ANTHONY 52:34

Right?

Speaker 52:35

So We went down a dark path. We did.

ANTHONY 52:38

This is this is this can be a dark path.

Speaker 52:40

Yeah.

ANTHONY 52:41

But my where I have an issue with this entire conversation regarding whether it's a Hmong marriage, an American marriage, whatever, you know, people are so gung-ho that like marriage is for life.

NALEE 52:55

Yeah.

ANTHONY 52:55

It it once used to be, but now it's not.

NALEE 52:58

I mean, I I wish marriage is for life, and I wish people fight for each other, but again, I love love. I wish people realize the humility, the vulnerability, the intimacy that goes into a marriage. But the thing is that is lost. Like people don't value that anymore.

ANTHONY 53:16

It I wouldn't even necessarily say that it's lost. I think there's just been so much evolution regarding it. Because now it's like people throw around, I love you.

NALEE 53:28

Yeah.

ANTHONY 53:29

Like they're giving out candy at Halloween.

NALEE 53:31

That's true. Like, yeah, that's very true.

ANTHONY 53:33

I love you so much. I can't wait to marry you. It's been two weeks. Calm down. Slow your fucking roll.

Speaker 53:39

Yeah, yeah.

ANTHONY 53:40

Like, and I get it. There's those ones where it's like when you know, you know.

Speaker 53:44

Yeah.

ANTHONY 53:44

But then the there's so many things.

Speaker 53:46

You know, you know.

ANTHONY 53:49

There's so many factors that come into play as far as like you know, there's those marriages that like once the vows are said, the the ink is dry on the certificate, all of a sudden your spouse is a completely different person.

NALEE 54:04

Yeah. That's that's very unfortunate. But yeah, like I think, I don't know, I think there's still a lot of growing in the monk community. There's still a lot of growing in the tradition. Obviously, parts of it has evolved, you know, but it's still a lot of the old aspects.

ANTHONY 54:21

Yeah.

NALEE 54:21

You know, so yeah.

ANTHONY 54:23

What what's a tradition or ritual from your culture that feels the most grounding to you?

NALEE 54:29

Food, baby.

ANTHONY 54:31

Food.

NALEE 54:31

Yeah. It goes back to food again. Yeah. Cooking together, you know, we all share a meal. I think, you know, just when it comes to any kind of celebrations, that's when you really see people showing up for you.

Speaker 4 54:46

Yeah.

NALEE 54:46

Like, example, for like weddings, like we do a lot of traditional foods and stuff like that. Like, we don't cater and stuff like that.

ANTHONY 54:54

Like we when you're not busy dancing in the rain.

NALEE 54:57

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's for entertainment, baby.

Speaker 2 55:03

It's for free.

NALEE 55:04

Yeah. Unfortunately. But yeah, so it's it's definitely the cooking, it's definitely like family gatherings. That's when you you really feel the culture, like the monk culture. Like, you know, you cook the the chicken and the la and the and like all the traditional foods, you know, that's when you really, really feel the culture. Right. Food baby.

ANTHONY 55:28

Food. Food is life. Food is where it's at. All right. Well, we've gotten a little bit thoughtful. Let's stir the pot. Let's get emotional, but also messy. What is an emotion that you're really good at hiding?

NALEE 55:41

Okay, we're gonna we're getting real deep here.

ANTHONY 55:44

We're gonna shift here.

NALEE 55:46

I think I'm actually really good at hiding disappointment. Like, I can I can be smiling and carrying on like nothing's happened, but inside, like, I process it quietly. And, you know, I think I try to stay composed a lot, even if things don't really go my way. Because I I try I it's like like I said, it's like my biggest flaw and maybe my biggest flex,

Disappointment, Lying, And Self Respect

NALEE 56:09

but I try to be compassionate with everybody. And, you know, when people disappoint me, I don't it's not that I I judge them for it. It's just I just kind of wished that like you knew better. Or I wish that and it's it's it's also on me where like I give them too high of an expectation where I would have thought that, oh, you know, like I wouldn't think that this would be who you are or this is how things would go. Because I had a different expectation in my head. And again, I become disappointed. But again, that's on me, but yeah, I think it's just disappointment. Yeah. Hopefully that answers that question.

ANTHONY 56:43

Yeah. What is an emotion that you're terrible at hiding?

NALEE 56:46

Lying. Like, oh, I lied. Not me lying, but like I cannot hide it when I know somebody's lying. Like if I know you're lying, I'm gonna make it obvious that I know you're lying. Like I'd be like, mm, so she speaks French? Yeah, like we? You know, like you know what I mean? Like, I uh I've seen so many people lie within their lie where I'm just like, bitch.

ANTHONY 57:14

How do you know when somebody's lying?

unknown 57:16

Wait.

ANTHONY 57:17

Like, is there any indicators that you're like, this bitch is lying? Her teeth. Like if you don't know and you don't have solid proof, is there a way that you're like Yeah, damn, I'm uh I'm gonna give this away because we keep this? Do you wanna plead the fifth on this?

NALEE 57:32

No, I don't wanna I wanna help you guys catch liars when they lie.

ANTHONY 57:36

Okay.

NALEE 57:36

When they oversell the lie.

ANTHONY 57:38

Carry it. Yeah.

NALEE 57:39

That's how you know. When you know, you know.

ANTHONY 57:42

Who sings that?

NALEE 57:43

Lana dou, right? But yeah, like you will know when I know you're lying. I will not hide it. Again. We wee.

Speaker 7 57:56

I fucking love that. We wee.

NALEE 57:57

We we but you know, it's just y'all, don't fucking lie. That's it. Don't lie. Even if the lie hurts, yeah, it's better to be honest than to lie. Because when you lie, you can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourself. Don't lie. That's all I gotta say.

ANTHONY 58:13

Okay, really good.

NALEE 58:14

As much as it hurts, just don't lie.

ANTHONY 58:16

I got a good one here for you.

NALEE 58:17

Okay, okay.

ANTHONY 58:19

We're gonna shift a little bit, really emotional here.

NALEE 58:22

Okay.

ANTHONY 58:22

If you could hand your younger self a single sentence, what would it be?

NALEE 58:27

Hmm, that's a good one.

ANTHONY 58:29

I know. That's why I came up with it.

NALEE 58:32

This is gonna be so fucking cliche. But I tell her that you do not have to shrink yourself to make other people comfortable. I think that one sentence would have saved me years of second guessing myself. Yeah. I saw this video the other day, and it's it was a stupid video, but it like it kind of made sense. And it it it pertains to this quote or this thing, because a guy was trying to put like a plate into a drawer that obviously didn't fit, right? And so then he had to break himself or he had to break the plate in order to pick up those pieces and put the broken plate into the drawer. And as stupid as that video is, like, it makes so much sense because you you're whole, this plate, you're whole in the beginning. You're a hoe.

Speaker 4 59:22

You're a whole, you're a hoe.

NALEE 59:28

So being an adult here, as a plate, you're whole. And when you have to break yourself to put yourself into a drawer, you're already broken. And you know, you don't have to do that. You could put yourself up on a shelf where it fits you, or you know, in a cabinet that fits you.

ANTHONY 59:47

I love that. That reminds me of I the video that I don't know if you ever saw this, but where a mom is teaching her kid a lesson about bullying or you know, saying mean things to people.

Speaker 59:59

Yeah.

ANTHONY 59:59

And she's basically has them like crumple up the paper, uh-huh, you know, uncrumple it and apologize to it.

Speaker 1:00:05

Yeah. Oh, I've seen that video.

ANTHONY 1:00:06

Did it go back? No. Exactly. Like once you've said something, it's been said.

Speaker 1:00:11

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:00:12

Or once you've done something, it's been done. And I mean it's never the same. To your point and to the question, you're right. Like, it's why are you going to shrink yourself to or come compartmentalize yourself or anything to make somebody else comfortable?

Speaker 1:00:28

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:00:28

If they're not serving you, they're not serving you. It's just not meant to be.

Speaker 1:00:32

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:00:33

I like that.

NALEE 1:00:34

Ugh, that one hits. Ugh. I'm teaching you guys right now how to be a badass bitch. Don't shrink yourself, y'all. You've been a badass bitch from the very beginning. Don't stop.

ANTHONY 1:00:45

Let your inner bitch out.

NALEE 1:00:47

Don't stop.

Speaker 1:00:47

Get it, get it. Be the itch in the bitch, okay?

ANTHONY 1:00:50

Put the itch in bitch, people. Okay, here's a real thinker for you. I want you to think on this one. What's a tiny decision that accidentally changed the entire trajectory of your life?

NALEE 1:01:03

Oh, okay. Being weird. I think I've said it before.

ANTHONY 1:01:08

How so? How how has being weird, which by the way, I don't really think that you're weird. I'm weird.

NALEE 1:01:13

I'm weird.

ANTHONY 1:01:14

How has being weird changed your life's trajectory?

NALEE 1:01:18

Because I realize that authenticity matters way more than trying to fit in. And the mindset opens doors where like I don't have to lie to be myself. I'm okay being weird, I'm okay being loud, I'm okay being obnoxious. It's that thing of if I'm too much, then go find less somewhere, you know? And yeah, I I think it's I think low-key, it's kind of brave of me, but I'm never scared to be myself. I'm never scared to ask the stupid questions. I'm not scared to look stupid. I'm not scared to embarrass myself.

ANTHONY 1:01:53

I can vote for that.

NALEE 1:01:54

Yeah, like so what? I'm human, you know? Like I don't need I don't need to be perfect. I am not perfect, and I'm not gonna give off that I'm perfect. Like, I'm a human. Like I have flaws, but I'm gonna flaunt those flaws. And again, we're just humans trying to live this life.

ANTHONY 1:02:13

Just two little turtles in a big, big world. Big big world.

NALEE 1:02:17

Yeah, so it's okay to be weird, it's okay to be embarrassed. Who hasn't been embarrassed before? Come on.

ANTHONY 1:02:23

For real. You know, honestly.

NALEE 1:02:25

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:02:25

Well, I know that you were worried that this episode was a little too serious, so I think it's time to get a little unhinged.

NALEE 1:02:31

Okay. Fuck. Uh-huh.

ANTHONY 1:02:33

Fuck.

NALEE 1:02:33

I'm scared.

ANTHONY 1:02:36

I can't say too serious too long. My yeah. My nervous system doesn't allow me that.

NALEE 1:02:40

So much for embarrassment.

ANTHONY 1:02:41

Yeah. We're gonna get embarrassing now. Let's be a little chaotic.

unknown 1:02:46

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:02:46

Add a little humor to this.

Speaker 1:02:47

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:02:48

Let's let's reach our peak pettiness.

Speaker 1:02:50

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:02:51

What's the most unhinged but harmless lie you've ever told?

NALEE 1:02:54

Oh my god. Okay, I feel really bad for this. I don't know if I've told this on the pod before. I feel like I have, but I don't know. Okay. You guys are gonna hate me so much. Even I hate myself just thinking about this. But you know, I'm gonna stay with my chest. Y'all can hate me. I will allow you to hate me for a split second only.

The Alopecia Story And A Bad Lie

NALEE 1:03:17

So not a lot of people knows this about me, but I have alopecia. And alopecia is where there's like you have baldness sometimes. And for me, like it comes, like it's not all the time. And I think I used to be insecure about it because I didn't know what it was. So in high sch so, like when I'm really, really stressed, I get like little bald patches in my hair. Yes, I know I have a lot of beautiful hair, and I have really big hair, but yeah, I have like small little bald patches in my hair. And so I think this is the first time that it's ever happened. Shit. Sorry. I'm I'm constantly reminding you guys of episode one today.

ANTHONY 1:03:53

You're like Italian, you just talk a lot with your hands.

NALEE 1:03:55

We wee.

ANTHONY 1:03:56

We wee close.

NALEE 1:04:00

But so my first time I had alopecia. I think at this time I didn't really know what it was, but I had like a bald spot under like behind my head. And it's like very soft when it's bald there, and it's just like it's just really soft. But then I had that, and then like I told I feel so bad for saying this. I'm a bitch. No, I'm you I'm like the biggest troll if you actually really get to know me. If Anthony's story of telling you guys wrapping each individual candy up wasn't enough to show you an instigator for sure. I am for sure, yeah. So I put the itch in bitch. Oh my god, I don't want to tell this story. I feel so bad. Think about it.

ANTHONY 1:04:44

Okay, so how old were you at this time?

NALEE 1:04:46

I was in high school.

ANTHONY 1:04:46

Okay.

NALEE 1:04:47

I was a junior, I think.

ANTHONY 1:04:48

And yeah, 15, 16.

NALEE 1:04:52

And I had I I was in Upper Bound, and I've told you guys about Upper Bound. It's a true program. And every Tuesday and Thursday we met up after school, and we had an advisor. His name was Robert. He was like the nicest guy ever.

Speaker 4 1:05:04

Like We've talked about him before.

NALEE 1:05:05

Yeah, I think I've probably triggered him. He's probably like that bitch. I never want to hear back from her. But like I had alopecia, and I had told him, oh, you guys, I'm a horrible person. I had told him that I had cancer, but it actually was alopecia. Yes, it definitely was unhinged, and I thought it was gonna be harmless. Again, not my proudest moment, because like I didn't realize how serious like cancer was at that time. I mean, I know cancer was serious, but like again, I I'm a jokester and I I didn't think that he would take it that seriously, but he ended up crying when I told him that.

Speaker 2 1:05:40

Stop.

NALEE 1:05:41

No, no, no, it was it was really bad. Like I told him that, like, I I I started having these bald spots and I have cancer, and he like balled. He like, he was like, I'm so sorry. Like, and I felt so fucking bad. And I'm just like, okay, I'm just kidding. Like, I actually have alopecia, like, I don't have cancer, like, I'm so sorry, Matrix. Cry. And like, I think that was a turning point in our relationship where he was just like, This fucker, like, you don't fucking lie about that. And so then, as composed as he is, as amazing as he was, he was like, Hey, like, you shouldn't be lying about things like that. And like, I felt the seriousness, I felt the weight in that. And I'm just like, I'm sorry. Like, I did, I I was, I I was like, I don't know how to respond. Like, I'm sorry.

ANTHONY 1:06:26

I was And we're canceled.

Speaker 7 1:06:28

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:06:30

I'm just kidding.

NALEE 1:06:31

No, but no, it was really bad, you guys. Like, okay.

ANTHONY 1:06:34

I do have follow-up questions.

NALEE 1:06:36

Okay. But no, I felt horrible. Like, I told him immediately. And this is what you should do. When you lie and you fuck up, tell the truth right away.

ANTHONY 1:06:44

Or just don't lie to begin with.

NALEE 1:06:46

Yeah. But this is a joke. I was stupid. I was a kid.

ANTHONY 1:06:48

It's a bad joke.

NALEE 1:06:49

It was a bad joke. No, it was a horrible joke. And I've never seen like him cry. Like he was this giant big man. He's buff. And like I would never have expected that from him, you know? And like when he cried, I'm just like, fuck, I fucked up so hard. And I'm just like, yeah, I I felt horrible. Yeah, but I felt so bad. Like, I've never ever told anything like that after that. Like, like it was the first time. It's literally fuck around and find out situation.

ANTHONY 1:07:18

That was your first FAFO moment?

NALEE 1:07:20

Yeah. So I was just like, fuck, I fucked up. Like he cried, and I'm just like, hey, like, I'm sorry. I was just kidding. Like, I have alopecia. Like, I'm scared too, but it's not cancer, you know? And no, I it was it was horrible, guys. I've never felt more ashamed in my life, like, ever. And I was just like, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to like hurt you like that. Like, I thought it was a joke, and I thought you would have laughed about it, but it wasn't. It didn't play.

ANTHONY 1:07:49

So do you think that it fell flat because of the delivery?

NALEE 1:07:52

What do you mean?

ANTHONY 1:07:53

Like, because I mean you could have said it, there's multiple different ways you could have said that. Like, you could have been like, oh, yeah, I got it.

NALEE 1:07:59

No, no, no. I set it up. I set it up actually. Because I had told them, hey, like, I have something serious I want to talk to you about. Can we go and like I put them inside?

ANTHONY 1:08:09

Yeah, okay, this adds to the story. This makes it even worse.

NALEE 1:08:11

No, no, no. It was horrible. Because, like I said, I think throughout like the whole time I was there, they know that I joke around. They know that I'm like a dumb bitch. They know that I like like to kid around. And so then to me, like in this situation, I didn't again, I'm a stupid, I was a stupid kid. I didn't think the of the magnitude that it would like go to that way, like it'll route that way or whatever. And so then I was just like, hey Robert, like can I talk to you on the side? Like I have something serious I want to talk to you about. And then he was like, oh yeah. And you know, like I'm a bitch for laughing because obviously it's my coping mechanism. I can't take anything serious. I can, but I laugh about it. But he was just like, yeah, like we could talk. And I'm like, well, I kind of want to talk away from like everybody else. Like, can we just kind of like just me and you, like talk on the side? And so we kind of sat a couple of desks away from in the library where nobody was there. And so I'm just like, like, I don't know how to say this to you, but you know, I just found out that I had cancer. And like the when I saw his face and he started crying, dude, I fucked up so fucking hard. I'm just like, I'm so sorry. Like, I thought it was a joke. That's how I said it.

ANTHONY 1:09:22

Where what made you be like, you know what? I'm gonna play this prank and be like, I got cancer.

NALEE 1:09:27

Well, because we joke, we prank a lot. Like, we like I I So you were just taken to a whole new person. Yeah, yeah. Like there were times where like I would tell people not to go and show up to s and he would show up and to see like how he would react, and then we would all show up at one time. I'm a I'm a I'm horrible. I'm a bad person, guys. I'm a stake there.

ANTHONY 1:09:49

You know, because you owned up to it, you apologized, you've grown from it, and you know not to do it again.

NALEE 1:09:54

Yeah, but then I was just kind of I felt so bad. No, I felt so bad. But man, that's like one of the worst things I've ever done. That's horrible. No, it is horrible. Like, I still feel bad for it again. I still feel bad for it. Like, again, sorry, Robert, if you ever listened to this podcast, my interview episode. I am so sorry. I was a stupid child. I thought that that would have been funny, but it turned 180 and it was not funny. I'm sorry that you cried. You know, I appreciate how much. This is my apology to Robert, but I appreciate how much you care for kids. Like, you really made a big impact in my life just being in the trio program and having you there as our advisor. But again, I'm sorry, you don't hate me.

Speaker 2 1:10:40

Oh my god.

NALEE 1:10:42

No, I'm I'm horrible. But yeah. Hold on, let me give me a second. I feel so bad.

ANTHONY 1:10:49

You need a minute to swallow that.

NALEE 1:10:52

We wee. Okay, I'm over it.

ANTHONY 1:10:54

All right. Well, I want to know if a camera crew were to follow you around for 24 hours, what would be the moment that goes immediately viral? What what is your Kim? There are literally kids that are dying moments.

NALEE 1:11:10

Honestly, me playing Fortnite and getting first place. I know. Yeah, judge me if you want. Anthony's face is like, you dumb bitch.

ANTHONY 1:11:18

I'm literally not even going to touch that.

NALEE 1:11:21

I mean, yesterday, me, Gamong, and Kiki, we stayed up playing Fortnite

Fortnite, Pettiness, And Alternate Lives

NALEE 1:11:26

and we won first place three times in a row. And I I will show you the screenshots. I I I I am gonna be proud because I honestly suck and I've like I've grown so much as a game player. But see, look, victory. Here's another one. Victory. Here's another one. Victory. We got first place. But yeah. You're welcome.

ANTHONY 1:11:53

I know that we originally said that this was like a judgment-free zone, but moving on.

NALEE 1:12:01

I mean, I I think a lot of people are shocked that I play games now, but it's honestly kind of therapeutic. Therapeutic. It's therapeutic, and low-key, I think I'm a little addicted to it right now. Maybe I need help.

ANTHONY 1:12:14

Well, that's actually pretty good because you said you've always said that you have an addictive personality. You're acknowledging the fact that you're addicted to this. You're acknowledging that there is a slight problem.

Speaker 1:12:23

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:12:24

But hey, could be doing crack.

Speaker 1:12:26

Hey.

ANTHONY 1:12:27

So could be drinking alcohol. You're winning. Judgy little bitch.

NALEE 1:12:32

Judgment for you, so you're not wrong.

ANTHONY 1:12:34

You're not wrong.

NALEE 1:12:34

I would you would prefer me to be addicted to Fortnite than crack cocaine, okay? Yeah. So yeah.

ANTHONY 1:12:41

And I would prefer you to be addicted to alcohol than Fortnite.

NALEE 1:12:45

I would too. I just don't honestly, I wish I'd like alcohol more.

ANTHONY 1:12:49

Yeah.

NALEE 1:12:50

I wish I did. Like when I see people drink, I'm just like I'm just like, it's kind of nasty though. Yeah. Yeah. And it makes my stomach hurt. I get the alcohol shits. That's also why I don't drink a lot.

ANTHONY 1:13:02

That's fair. Yeah. Maybe you're allergic. I think I'm allergic.

NALEE 1:13:05

I've seen people who is allergic, and I have a funny side story. The first time I drank with Boar, she got so fucked up, but she's allergic to alcohol. And like she was laying, she was like knocked out on the couch and she started having these spots. Like she was there's a big spot on her stomach. Hives? Yeah. And there's these cute little hives on her toes. And I'm just like, I was like, it's with you and feet. I don't know, it's cute. But I was just like, guys, like, is this normal? Like, she has red spots all over her. And they're like, oh yeah, she's allergic. And I'm like, should we not be calling the fucking hospital? Like, what the fuck? But it's it's not severe. She was fine. But yeah, I was just like, I've never seen anybody like hive up like that.

Speaker 3 1:13:45

Yeah, I've never seen.

NALEE 1:13:46

Yeah. I know there's an Asian flush. Like, you know, Asian people when they drink, they get really red. I kind of have that a little bit, but that's not Asian.

ANTHONY 1:13:54

I know people that do that.

NALEE 1:13:56

Oh.

ANTHONY 1:13:56

That get really red when they drink.

NALEE 1:13:58

Oh yeah, but anyways, yeah, that's my side story. Hey boy.

ANTHONY 1:14:02

Hey, Boy. Does Boy listen?

NALEE 1:14:04

I don't know. I think she does sometimes. Get on it, bitch. I'm just kidding. But alright, what's your next question? Oh my god.

ANTHONY 1:14:12

What's one thing that you do that makes you feel powerful and petty?

NALEE 1:14:15

Oh, y'all already fucking know. You don't listen to this podcast, you don't fucking know. Always having the last word. Like even if it doesn't fucking matter, as long as I have the last word, bitch, done. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like low-key, it's kind of like, yeah, that's right. I said what I said. Bye.

ANTHONY 1:14:34

But Yeah, that is one thing that I admire about you. That you do have, and I'm learning to to do it, but you do have a I said what I said.

NALEE 1:14:43

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:14:43

Vibe about you.

NALEE 1:14:44

Yeah, it doesn't matter.

ANTHONY 1:14:46

Yeah.

NALEE 1:14:47

It doesn't matter, guys. Good for you. Be honest. That's all it is. Honestly, the saying with your chest is again just being honest. Like whether it hurts you or not, I'm being honest. And you know, if it offends you, then tell me, and I would be like, oh, I'm sorry that offended you. I'm sorry you feel that way. But in a more like not sarcastic way. You know what I mean? Like I with respect, I could agree to disagree kind of a thing.

ANTHONY 1:15:12

Right.

NALEE 1:15:12

You know, so, but yeah.

ANTHONY 1:15:14

I need to stop being so sarcastic.

NALEE 1:15:16

I like your sarcasm.

ANTHONY 1:15:18

Some people can't read my sarcasm.

NALEE 1:15:20

Well, you just sang their cup of tea, then, boo.

ANTHONY 1:15:22

Richard doesn't get my sarcasm. I said something to him the other day, and he's like, I can never tell when you're being serious or not. I guess I'm just gonna start being like, insert sarcasm here, and then I'll make my quip.

NALEE 1:15:32

Maybe you should.

ANTHONY 1:15:33

I'm gonna start doing that.

NALEE 1:15:34

Yeah, maybe you should. That'll help us.

ANTHONY 1:15:35

I've done that a couple times now since we had that conversation.

NALEE 1:15:37

Oh, really?

ANTHONY 1:15:38

Yeah.

NALEE 1:15:40

He still does not know when you're being sarcastic. Boy but.

ANTHONY 1:15:43

That was what that was my first thought.

NALEE 1:15:45

I met you for the first day and I knew your ass was sarcastic. Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:15:50

Alright, listeners, let's let's step into a multiverse now, not a Marvel version.

NALEE 1:15:56

Stupid.

ANTHONY 1:15:57

I did that just for you. DC. That's right. You're a DC girl. Not a DC version. We're gonna step into Nalee's version. If you could live in one alternate life, let me rephrase that. If you could live one alternate life for a year with zero consequences, who would you be?

NALEE 1:16:12

Y'all already fucking know. I'd be Henry Cabill's girlfriend.

Speaker 2 1:16:16

Just for a year.

NALEE 1:16:17

Yeah. As long as I'm okay with that. As long as I get a little taste of him, I'm good, baby. I'm set for life.

Speaker 2 1:16:23

Okay.

NALEE 1:16:24

Yeah. But if it was like any kind of celebrity, it'd be Doja Cat.

ANTHONY 1:16:28

Well, isn't Henry Cabell a celebrity?

NALEE 1:16:31

Yeah, he is, but like he'd be the he'd be my first choice. And then if I can't ever be his wife or his girlfriend, then yeah, it'd be her. Because she's a troll and she always seems to be having fun.

ANTHONY 1:16:45

She does seem to always be having fun. She's living her best life.

NALEE 1:16:48

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:16:48

For sure.

NALEE 1:16:49

And I think she's like a total hottie. It's gorgeous. Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:16:53

I want to dissect a little bit more. I'm gonna I'm gonna fuck with your your wanting to be Henry Cavill's girlfriend.

NALEE 1:17:00

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:17:01

Plan here. Would you be content and would you be satisfied? Let's say I offered you this opportunity to be his girlfriend for one year, live this life, zero consequences, but what you didn't know until after we made the switch, he's asexual.

NALEE 1:17:17

What the fuck is asexual?

ANTHONY 1:17:18

Okay, let me rephrase that.

NALEE 1:17:19

I'm getting canceled.

ANTHONY 1:17:20

I don't even know what asexual is.

NALEE 1:17:22

Bitch, I'm done. Let me look it up.

ANTHONY 1:17:24

Look it up.

NALEE 1:17:25

Okay. Insert loading music or something. GPT. Oh wait, I could have just Googled it. What is asexual? Okay, asexual is sexual orientation where a person experiences little to no sexual attraction to others. Also, like he doesn't he's not attracted to anything. Bitch, I don't care as long as I get a little taste. I'm good. He gon taste me. Okay, that's it. I'm good. I just want to be manhandled by him. That's it. Too much? Is that too much? Anthony's quiet over there.

ANTHONY 1:17:57

No, so this is exactly what I I did use the correct term asexual.

NALEE 1:18:02

Okay. Why do you ask that question?

ANTHONY 1:18:04

So in what's what what sense I mean by asexual is he doesn't like to have sex.

NALEE 1:18:10

Oh, like I could be his wife for one year without like having sex with him?

ANTHONY 1:18:13

Yeah. Nothing sexual would happen between the two of you. You would just be his girlfriend.

NALEE 1:18:18

That's fine with me.

ANTHONY 1:18:19

You would be okay with that.

NALEE 1:18:20

Yeah, just to be in his presence, bitch, bye. I could just look at him and do myself. That's it. You just sit there in the corner. I'd be like, just sit there and look at me angrily. We good, boo. You don't even gotta touch me. Just look at me. Like, like Nicki Minaj's song. He looked at me in a panties coming off. That's it.

ANTHONY 1:18:39

That just reminds me of that.

NALEE 1:18:40

Is that too much? Is that too much?

ANTHONY 1:18:42

No, it just reminds me of a story of I have, I'm gonna take this out, I think, as much as I can.

NALEE 1:18:47

Leave it. Say it with your chest, boo. You wanna start? We're starting right now.

ANTHONY 1:18:52

I have a friend of mine who got paid by somebody who sat in a corner pleasuring themselves while watching my friend. I don't even know if he was pleasuring himself or what he was doing, but he was on the bed.

NALEE 1:19:07

Okay. Is that considered cuck holding?

ANTHONY 1:19:09

No, because there was no like significant.

NALEE 1:19:12

Okay, that you know what's kind of weird? And this is totally side tangent, not to like take attention off of your story. No, it's all about you, so I didn't know that there was a fetish where like people like that, where like they would just be like, oh, can you just like masturbate and I'll watch you? It's just kind of like watching porn live.

ANTHONY 1:19:30

Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what it is.

NALEE 1:19:32

Yeah, that's so I mean it's not weird, but it's just like it's different. Yeah, I just didn't think that that was a thing.

ANTHONY 1:19:38

There's a thing for everything.

NALEE 1:19:40

I know. I know, I know.

ANTHONY 1:19:42

I would do it.

NALEE 1:19:43

Getting paid or watch somebody do it.

ANTHONY 1:19:45

Pick one. I don't give a shit.

NALEE 1:19:46

Anthony! Okay.

ANTHONY 1:19:49

What?

NALEE 1:19:49

Give me money. I'll do that for you.

Speaker 2 1:19:51

Give you money.

NALEE 1:19:52

Actually, let's do it. Let's let's call Melissa up. That bitch, we've seen everything already. So we could give a free show.

ANTHONY 1:19:59

Like, I would I probably not you because you're my friend, but like I don't think I would ever do that. I would you guys want to have sex in front of me while I sit here and watch? Okay.

NALEE 1:20:09

Yeah. I think if if that was to happen, I don't think I'll ever be able to see you the same.

ANTHONY 1:20:14

But like if I were to watch you and vice versa.

NALEE 1:20:17

Yeah, I would be like, yeah, we ain't never talking ever again.

ANTHONY 1:20:21

Yeah. But what happened to this for life?

NALEE 1:20:24

Well, bitch. This for life don't count that. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like sex stuff is like private. Like it's kind of it's like your most like vulnerable state you could be at.

ANTHONY 1:20:37

I'm not the type of person, I'm not gonna kink shame anybody. Yeah. For whatever you're into. Yeah. I have no problem having that conversation with somebody.

NALEE 1:20:45

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:20:46

But it's You do you boo. You do you boo. Yes. Yeah.

NALEE 1:20:49

Yeah. I get that.

ANTHONY 1:20:50

All right. Back to your dreams in this alternate life. Yeah.

Speaker 1:20:55

Yeah. Hey boo.

ANTHONY 1:20:56

What is a dream of yours that you're almost scared to say out loud because you want it so much.

NALEE 1:21:03

I don't know if I like that answer that I put there. But I'm gonna say it anyways. It's fine.

Speaker 2 1:21:12

You say it with your chest and say what you feel saying.

NALEE 1:21:16

Um I uh I just want B to be happy. Whether he's an asshole, whether he's not, whether if that's with me, or whether if it's not, like again, sometimes marriage doesn't last. I don't know. I don't know the future. But you know, yeah, I think it's just or anybody in my life to be honest, not just B, like whoever. You know, like I just want, well, yeah, I guess I just want B to be happy, whether if it's with me or not. Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:21:45

I can I can see how that's yeah, it's one of those things that you don't want to say out loud.

Speaker 1:21:52

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:21:53

And it's but yeah. But those dreams that we have that they are vulnerable moments and they're things that you don't want to say out loud.

NALEE 1:22:02

It's the thing of like, yes, it hurts. It hurts more not to say it though. It hurts more not to acknowledge it.

Speaker 4 1:22:09

Yeah.

NALEE 1:22:09

And it hurts more to pretend that it's not there or that it's never gonna happen. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 1:22:16

Yeah.

NALEE 1:22:17

And you know, yeah, I it's just what it is. Like, I have a lot of love for him. And ultimately I just want him to be happy.

ANTHONY 1:22:25

Well, that's beautiful. That's something that I think you know, at the end of the day at the end of the day, that's something that we all want for the people in our life.

Speaker 7 1:22:32

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:22:33

Whether or not they're, you know, boyfriend, girlfriend, partner, spouse, aunt, uncle, cousin, nate, like neighbor, like those people in our lives we do want them to be happy. We don't wish any ill will or harm against anybody, right?

Speaker 1:22:46

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:22:48

All right.

Speaker 1:22:49

Damn, we got real deep there. Holy shit.

ANTHONY 1:22:51

We did get a little deep. Let's let's let's end with the senses.

Speaker 1:22:56

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:22:57

The memories and the feelings. Try, hopefully, we can add a little. We'll end this this.

NALEE 1:23:02

Hopefully on a light note. On a lighter note. Yeah. We wee.

ANTHONY 1:23:07

Wee wee. But that's that's gonna be our new merch. Yeah. Wee wee. Banali. What smell feels like home deal?

NALEE 1:23:18

I don't know how to explain it, but like my mom scent. Like, I think we've talked about this. Like, when you go over to people's house, they have like a specific smell. Like my mom smell. Like she has like a specific scent to her. Or like when I f smell it, I'm just like, I'm home. I'm home. Yeah. I feel safe.

ANTHONY 1:23:36

That's beautiful. I love that.

NALEE 1:23:37

Yeah, I love my mommy.

ANTHONY 1:23:39

I'm gonna tangent on that and ask you a random question because you you mentioned, you know, everybody's house smell, they have their own signature scent, right? Do you ever wonder when you're watching TV what the house smells like? Or am I just showing how weird I am?

NALEE 1:23:57

The scent in the movie? Or the scent in like while you're in your house, the smell of your house?

ANTHONY 1:24:03

The s in the movie. Oh. So like I like I used to watch Roseanne.

NALEE 1:24:07

Yeah, yes, yes.

ANTHONY 1:24:08

And so I would always wonder, I'm like, because again, you you'd go over to your friend's house and have a signature smell in your house. So I'm like watching Roseanne, and I'm like, part of me is like, I wonder what it would smell like if I were to knock on that door, Roseanne opened it or Dan opened it.

NALEE 1:24:22

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:24:22

Like, what would I smell? Yeah, I Do you ever do that with like TV shows that you watch?

NALEE 1:24:26

Yep.

ANTHONY 1:24:27

Or movies.

NALEE 1:24:27

Yeah, like especially like everybody loves Raymond or like Bridgerton. I'm like, I wonder how it smells like. Like, does it smell flowery or like yeah, I do. So you're not the only weird one. Okay. I do that too.

Speaker 3 1:24:39

Good to know. Yeah. Good to know.

ANTHONY 1:24:40

I'm not alone in the city.

NALEE 1:24:41

We're the crazies.

ANTHONY 1:24:44

It's just interesting how our senses can like you think about things like that. Yeah.

NALEE 1:24:49

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:24:49

Yeah. What sound, moving on to hearing, what sound that is is there that instantly calms you? And what sound is one that instantly sends you into flight? Fight or flight mode.

NALEE 1:25:03

Fuck. Okay, let's start with the scary one. I've talked about this bitch before, but the grudge, like when she goes like that. I scared myself doing that. But like I can't. Like, I cannot.

ANTHONY 1:25:19

I'm gonna start doing that.

NALEE 1:25:20

I hate you. I will never come over.

ANTHONY 1:25:23

I'm gonna start sending voice memos.

NALEE 1:25:24

I'm just like a bitch. Oh, we should put a trigger warning. Well, well, like post-trigger warning. Because I know that kind of scares people too. But does it?

Speaker 3 1:25:35

Yeah, is that a commonality?

NALEE 1:25:36

I think so.

Speaker 3 1:25:37

Like from that movie?

NALEE 1:25:38

Yeah.

unknown 1:25:39

Okay.

NALEE 1:25:39

Because that's what scares a lot of people from that movie. Not that she looks fucking ugly and scary, but the sound too. Yeah. Yeah, I I can't. Like if I was to hear that, bitch by I'm dead, put me in my coffin, don't ever talk to me ever again. Yeah. There's no wee wee there. There's bye-bye. There's a chow chow. Chow chow. Oh my god. Um but what calms me is like the gentle hum of like a moving car. Because like there will there will never ever be anything that makes me fall asleep faster than a moving car. Like me sitting in a moving car.

ANTHONY 1:26:20

Really?

NALEE 1:26:20

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:26:21

Interesting.

NALEE 1:26:22

Yeah. But yeah.

ANTHONY 1:26:23

Okay.

NALEE 1:26:24

Ciao ciao.

ANTHONY 1:26:25

Chow chow. If you could delete one social expectation from existence, what would it be?

NALEE 1:26:31

Oh, that you have to have everything figured out. The clout shit. Like you know, life's messy, it's unpredictable, but it's beautiful. And when you pretend that you're perfect or whatever, bitch bye.

ANTHONY 1:26:46

It's all fake.

NALEE 1:26:46

And it's there's literally children in Africa who aren't eating, okay? Thanks, Courtney. Yeah. So it ain't perfect.

ANTHONY 1:26:56

It's not perfect. And I do agree with that. That's that would be a great expectation, too. It's just drilled in so much.

NALEE 1:27:05

And it's okay not to be perfect, you guys.

ANTHONY 1:27:08

Yeah.

NALEE 1:27:08

I'm fucking perfect. The fuck? Actually, I lied, I am.

ANTHONY 1:27:11

You're close. Yeah. You're getting there. Alright, we're down to the final two questions. What is a memory that lives in your brain rent-free, even though it makes no logical sense?

NALEE 1:27:22

For me, it will always be the times where, like I can still picture it vividly. Like I'm in the living room and I'm watching those old British TV shows, like that comes on at like two, three in the morning, you remember? And then my dad would come in with his like lunch bag, and then he would hand me a bag of MMs. And then he would eat while I'm like at the table

Home, Parents, Pride, And Goodbyes

NALEE 1:27:47

waiting or what like on the couch waiting for him, and then we would go to sleep. Yeah. Um, I don't know, I just felt safe. And like I remember I would always be like the only one waiting for my dad to come home. But yeah.

ANTHONY 1:27:58

Was there a reason that you stayed up waiting for?

NALEE 1:28:00

No, I just I just missed him, I guess. He's my dad. I don't know. Cause like I said at that time, like w when we were younger, like Was he at work by the time you got home from school? Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:28:10

Okay.

NALEE 1:28:11

He he always worked later shift because my mom worked in the morning and then my dad, like a little bit before she left, or a little bit before he she came home, he would leave already. So then I wouldn't really get to see him. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I I think one thing that I'm like really grateful for is like my parents.

ANTHONY 1:28:30

Like you have a very beautiful relationship with your family and your parents specifically.

NALEE 1:28:34

Yeah, I think that's one reason why like my siblings we all kind of get along is honestly it's my mom and my dad, like I feel like I'm gonna choke up. But yeah, like they I'm sure they've had arguments. I'm sure they fight, but they never showed that to us. Like they kept it like behind closed doors and stuff like that.

ANTHONY 1:28:52

But it's probably because they locked you in attic. Probably excited to have them.

NALEE 1:28:56

When Santa Claus came around, but you know, like my mom and my dad, like I think that's why I feel like I am pretty low-key resilient, is because of my parents. Like they fought, they work really, really hard, and you know, even though they're the ones working really, really hard, they always motivate us to want better, to do better, to dream big. The sky's not the limit, you know. And I don't know, like obviously, if my mom and my dad weren't my mom and my dad, I wouldn't be here. Thank you, mommy, for not swallowing me.

ANTHONY 1:29:28

But I am dead right now.

NALEE 1:29:34

I'm just kidding.

ANTHONY 1:29:35

But your mom's gonna listen to this and be like, She's just not gonna understand.

NALEE 1:29:38

She's gonna be cooking it, she's not gonna understand. But no, like I love they're like, how the fuck do we create you? Like you're a fucking monster.

ANTHONY 1:29:50

Like you're the one that's a little off.

NALEE 1:29:52

Yeah, but yeah, I love my mom and my dad. I think, you know, as selfish as it is to say, like, I'm glad they're my mom and my dad. So and I know I'm not like I don't know, I feel like I'm emotional, but I'm not really too. Like I could be kind of like cold. I don't know. So I feel like I kind of am. Because I I I tend to isolate myself a lot. And I don't express a lot to them. And when I do, it's kind of like in waves, you know what I mean? Like sometimes I would be like, nah, I'm good. And then sometimes I'd be like, I love you guys. Like you guys are here in my life, you know, but I don't think I say it enough to them that like I'm very lucky to have my mom and my dad.

ANTHONY 1:30:36

Do you ever just call them and just say, I just called to say I love you?

NALEE 1:30:39

I do, and I don't. I I my thing is that like I feel like I every time I call them, they feel like something's happening. You know? And so then like and yes, it's it's my fault that that happens, is that like maybe sometimes and this is gonna I'm gonna be honest, sometimes it does feel like, yeah, maybe I call them because one, you know, I need them or whatever. And that's like really hard for me to accept, but it's the truth, you know. But there are times where yeah, like I just I do call them and I just ask them, hey, what are you guys doing? But then like I think my relationship with my parents is different from my siblings. Like my other sisters, they could call and talk to my mom for like hours and my dad for hours, but for me, it's just like a two-minute check-in, like, hi, what are you guys doing today? Okay, I miss you guys. Okay, bye. It's less than two minutes.

ANTHONY 1:31:31

I love that. I love that. Why I hate talking on the phone though.

NALEE 1:31:35

Really?

ANTHONY 1:31:35

Mm-mm.

NALEE 1:31:36

Oh. I wish I could like talk more. I wish I could like have more things to say to them, but I think it's just kind of the thing of like I've been isolated so long and I've been by myself for so long where I don't want them to think that, oh, she's only calling me because she needs something, or she's only calling me because she's stressed. And yeah, unfortunately, sometimes that is what it is, but But that's what your parents are supposed to be there for. Yeah, and and I get that isolate situations, but I don't know. I just I'm just really grateful for my parents. You know, I think I'm obviously the best child that they have because I'm entertaining, I'm crazy, I'm weird, and like I make their life exciting.

ANTHONY 1:32:21

But wow, your siblings are gonna give you a sort of thing.

NALEE 1:32:25

Oh, they know, they know me, but no, like, I don't know. It I can never, ever, ever express how much they mean to me and how much how much they've given me, honestly. I think that's just what it is, and I hope that one day, like, they know that I'm also proud of them for giving us a beautiful life. Because I don't think a lot of parents get that. They get a lot of crap for like, oh, like you didn't do this, like you never gave me this, or you know, like you taught me how to do this. I'm like this because of you, I'm selfish because you're my peers, blah, blah, blah. But and I'm not saying that's what they that they are, I'm just saying like parents get a lot of shit for that too. You know what I mean? So, you know, I just and you know, I'm seeing this on the pod, but you know, I probably will say it to them in real life too. But, you know, I'm proud of them. I'm proud of them that they raised eight very good kids. Like, we're not, I don't know, maybe some are worse than others. I don't know. But like we're not fucking serial killers, we're not out here like doing the fucking most. Like they were. Yeah. They rate, they rate. They fuck, I lost my train of thought. But they they raised they raised eight good kids, and I think they should be proud of that, you know? They should be. Yeah, and I love them. I love my mom and my dad.

ANTHONY 1:33:44

All right, we've reached our question.

NALEE 1:33:46

Oh shit. Just kidding. Last question.

ANTHONY 1:33:49

Last question.

NALEE 1:33:50

Okay.

ANTHONY 1:33:51

If you can bottle one feeling you've experienced in your entire life and keep it forever, like in a little like tiny snow globe, just what moment would that bottle hold?

NALEE 1:34:02

Okay. It's gonna come back to my mom and my dad again. It was when B and I bought our house and they came to visit for the first time. And, you know, it's what every Asian child wants to hear. But they told that they were they told me that they were proud of me and that they're proud that I was able to handle, you know, kind of my life on my own, and that I was able to get a place of my own. Yeah, you know, like emotions were kind of mixed, because you know, like, again, I've been on my own a lot, and I think when I think of it into perspective, like I am kind of independent and I don't depend, yeah, I don't really depend on kind of independent. Yeah, I don't really depend on other people, and I think that's something where like I have a really hard time asking for help. But then again, it's that it's also that thing where I'm like, I don't ask people for help though. I did all of this myself, you know? Yeah. And to see that somebody else sees that, you know, it obviously it gave me like pride, you know, validation that, oh, like I am a fucking badass bitch, you know? And I think just having that moment of my parents being like, wow, I'm proud of you. Like, I'm not saying that I didn't get that a lot, but it's a different yeah, it's a different kind of proud. It's a different kind of feeling that like they're like, oh, like we did good, like I don't have to worry about her anymore. Right. Kind of a thing, you know? And I think that's kind of how I've always been with my parents. But then again, it's that thing of like it validates me that oh, like, you know, I'm glad that you guys are proud of me. And I yeah, like, yeah, I did this myself, you know.

Speaker 4 1:35:40

Yeah.

NALEE 1:35:40

But yeah, I I definitely want to bottle that with me forever. Like, yeah.

ANTHONY 1:35:47

Well, just know that you do with or without a physical bottle with these emotions in it. Just know that from what I've heard, what uh the conversations that we've had about you, your family, your parents, I can tell you that your parents are proud of you.

Speaker 1:36:04

Thank you.

ANTHONY 1:36:06

They're yeah.

Speaker 1:36:07

That means a lot. Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:36:08

You've accomplished a lot and you've done a lot of things on your own, and you should be proud of yourself.

Speaker 1:36:15

Thank you.

unknown 1:36:16

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:36:16

You're welcome.

NALEE 1:36:20

Wee wee. Wee wee. But yeah, yeah, I think if I could say like just add in a last thing is that like I get it. Well, the fuck, I totally lost what the fuck I was gonna say.

ANTHONY 1:36:32

But I was gonna give you the floor too.

NALEE 1:36:34

Yeah, I totally forgot what I was gonna say. But I had a beautiful quote, but I let me look it up real quick.

ANTHONY 1:36:42

It flew out the door.

NALEE 1:36:44

It flew out the door, it went wee wee, it went chow chow. All right, so one thing that I just you know want to tell you guys, or you know, a quote that I I really like is you know, be proud of yourself. Be proud that your heart and intentions are good and be proud of the fact that you are trying.

ANTHONY 1:37:05

I like that.

NALEE 1:37:06

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:37:06

We always sell ourselves short.

NALEE 1:37:09

Yes. And there, you know, there are a lot of negative stuff going on, yes, but at the same time, just keep on keeping on, you guys. I hope that you guys got to get to know me a little bit better.

ANTHONY 1:37:22

Is there anything else that you want to share with our listeners before we end this episode?

NALEE 1:37:27

I'm really not a bitch, you guys. I just say a lot of mean things.

ANTHONY 1:37:30

And she's also really not shy, you guys.

NALEE 1:37:32

Yeah, I'm not shy.

ANTHONY 1:37:34

Liar.

NALEE 1:37:35

But I do get kind of like that feeling where it's like, don't look at me, you know, like but it's you guys could probably hear my voice when I say it sometimes. But no, just be your most authentic self. As stupid as that sound, like be you. And those who matter don't mind, and those who mine don't matter.

ANTHONY 1:37:52

Period.

NALEE 1:37:53

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:37:54

Beautiful.

NALEE 1:37:55

That's that's how Nalee sees it.

ANTHONY 1:37:58

That's how Nalee sees it.

NALEE 1:37:59

Yeah.

ANTHONY 1:37:59

That, ladies and gentlemen, and the entire community is our inner universe of Nalee. The soft corners, the spicy edges, cultural tapestry, the chaos, the grace, and even the bad taste cancer jokes.

NALEE 1:38:14

Bitch.

ANTHONY 1:38:14

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NALEE 1:38:29

Come on now, guys.

ANTHONY 1:38:31

We'll see you next Thursday at 8 a.m. Stay hydrated, stay Dululu, and as always, stay in your fucking lane unless you're entering ours.

Speaker 1:38:40

Hey, that's what's up. Bye.