Mystery Box 2 (spoiler-ALIENS)

What will we chat about? You probably could have guessed from the title. It’s aliens! I’ve absorbed a lot over the past couple years, and as you’ll hear me talk about, this is more than deserving of a conversation. The truth is out there, or whatever the guy said.

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Alright, so mystery box number two. This may as well not be a mystery box because there is only one topic in the box slash small snack basket that we have on our coffee table. Um I was gonna start doing it out of a hat, and then I was like, it kind of fall out easily, and it's just not as aesthetically pleasing, even though no one can see the basket's cute. It is a cute basket. Uh it's fixed and not a true mystery box, because there's only one topic inside, and you might be asking, Travis, it's just your second mystery box. Why change the format like this? Uh because the conversation is pressing, and I want to have the conversation, and I think that we all should have the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

And um and I don't know what this conversation is.

SPEAKER_04 0:52

This might this might hint the perception of me differently in certain people. Uh, but but hopefully this conversation and what I have to say about it will um will maybe open open some minds up just because of what it is and what I have to say about it, and what I have learned and what I've heard. I mean, I just have I have so much to talk about with someone, and here she is.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Um I have no idea what it is, and my guess is aliens, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25

So the box is there on the table. Okay, you should not look and take the one out of there, and that's in there. Yeah, you got it. And what does it say? Aliens. It says aliens. It does say aliens. Now, before I say anything, and we are drinking cocktail white claws, so claw tails, um, not sponsored. Uh I just uh you you should talk for a bit. I want to know what you how you feel about it, what you think, like literally everything, everything that you feel and think.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Um, well, I mean I believe in them. Um I don't know if I have a clear hypothesis on why I think they visit, or like if they're beings from the future or whatever. Did you get that from talking to me or are you no, just from life or different people that I've talked to or different things that I've heard? Yeah. Um yeah, I don't know if I have a clear idea on what all of that is, but I do believe that they exist just because there's just decades of records of people having similar experiences. Yeah. And it's like the concept of like a gray being or whatever with like slanted beady eyes or whatever. It's like I don't know if the perception, like we have that thought because of the the third kind movie, or that movie took that concept from all of these records of people having these sightings or whatever. You've seen that movie. I haven't.

SPEAKER_04 3:27

Oh, I I haven't either, but you know, I guess what they look like in that movie.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

No, I again all this knowledge is just like the things I've picked up on, but um what is that? What is the full title?

SPEAKER_03 3:40

Uh Close Encounters of a Third Kind. It's like Richard Dreyfus or something.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Yeah, and like Steven Spielberg.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

But yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Um I don't know. But yeah, I just yeah, I believe I don't think that people from all across the world are just making up the same exact experiences.

SPEAKER_04 3:59

Yeah. And uh to to piggyback on that, I'm not really I'm not trying to railroad over you talking, but to piggyback on that, since you said there's decades of it, there's centuries of it. There's uh old text and old um drawings, cave drawings, like you know, like civilizations ago of um things that kind of line up, like the imagery of you know of something coming from the sky. So I want to say on one of Columbus's ships, or in that era, there was a ship, and everyone on the ship describes the same thing. Something came out of the water and had lights.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 4:38

Uh I want to say, and you don't necessarily have to look this up. I mean, I I'm not, I feel like I've heard that there are things in the Bible that kind of mirror like an experience of something like that. Not to say that that um things in the Bible uh are not true to Christianity, but that that there are things that make people go, huh, you know, like a because of a description of something. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

Also, I just think it's like, you know, people Christians in particular, it's like, oh not wanting to believe that there's other beings because you know, God made us in his image and all that stuff. But I just think it's a bit silly to think that we have this humongous universe, yeah, that on this earth there is only us and that's it.

SPEAKER_04 5:38

The perceivable universe is not the entire, as as I understand. It's just what we're able to record.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:45

Yeah, I I agree. And you know how I feel about um the evolution uh argument.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

Yeah, but we both have the same opinion.

SPEAKER_04 5:53

You know, that people say there's still people that have the argument, oh, it's either God or evolution, there, you know, it's you believe one or the other. And to think that no one could ever consider, oh, God created evolution because he had a plan. Everyone loves to talk about God's plan, but then they don't want to talk about evolution. Evolution in its in itself is a plan.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:12

So what and if he created everything, how how could he be? He's not created science. Yeah, no, exactly. God and science are the same because he made it like physics are his laws. Yeah, you know what I mean? So, and that's that's you know, that's just applying that to the concept. If someone listening to this, you know, doesn't believe in Christianity or God or something, it's you're still applying that to if you're you know, if you're trying to assess theoretically what's happening. So, with that being said, you know, if we're saying, okay, yes, God's real and God created evolution in this hypothesis, uh, but then people say, well, aliens can't, alien can't exist because uh you know he created only humans in his in his image. Isn't it a little bit, I don't know the word, egocentric to think that what human beings look like right now, like if we if we hypothetically, if we uh accept, yes, God exists and evolution exists, one and the same, and we evolve from something before us, isn't it kind of egocentric to think that we are done evolving?

SPEAKER_02 7:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:18

Uh wouldn't it make sense for there to be another step or something else, right? So that could include something that we have hypothetically already evolved into and is kind of circling itself back because civilizations maybe were wiped out a long time ago. Uh or yeah, something in the evolution process that was sent off across space and is now coming back. Or the new thing. I'm kind of this is the thing that I kind of tiptoe about because it's kind of the new, the newest part of UFO culture. And I like, I've never really been a UFO guy. But what's happening these days, everybody should be a UFO guy.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Yeah, and can I just say like another thing that like makes me believe is what is the what is the crash that happened in like that?

SPEAKER_03 8:11

In Roswell?

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Roswell. It's like things like that where it's like cover-ups and stuff. It's like, why would you, why is there such great lengths and effort to cover certain things up? Yeah. I if certain things didn't exist.

SPEAKER_04 8:27

So I want to talk about that because I've I've heard I've heard tons and tons and tons, like podcasts, videos, congress hearings. Like when it gets to that point, come on, people, like stop, stop saying that it's 100% hogwash. Like this again, I I've never have I never have been, but but now you have to take it seriously. So uh, but I want to circle back to that. But the thing that I was talking about that I'm kind of tiptoeing around is you know, of all the possibilities of what it could be in terms of evolution underwater. So we have explored more about our space than we have our own oceans because of how vast they are. They are how how much percent of the planet it's it's a big, it's a big portion of the planet. You think about walking every square inch of land on the planet, like how many lifetimes you would need. I don't even like that's only what less than 20% of the planet. So you talk about like how far down we've been able to record, there's much further, there's a there's a lot of corners and crevices, you know, that we don't know. Uh, if there is a more evolved civilization, the perfect place for them to stay away from us, but also monitor us, would be to stay deep under the ocean. They could have again, if they have, if they're very, very evolved, if they have technology, they have their ships that can come up out of the ocean, way out in the middle of the ocean, and then come to us from there, which is why we don't really see it go in and out. Except now we do. Except now there are there is footage, there is real footage uh from the military. We can accept that more so as real than amateur footage, but there is still interesting amateur footage of ships of things coming in and out of the water. The interesting thing about that is that that makes skeptics excited. Say you're in like a big thing, a big vehicle or whatever, or like when someone's in a car and they go into the river from the bridge or whatever. What happens to their inertia of the car? If if they come off the bridge at 45 miles an hour, do they hit the surface of the water and keep going 45 miles an hour?

SPEAKER_02 10:44

No.

SPEAKER_04 10:44

It they slow down drastically, right? They pretty much stop at the surface because the of the force of the water.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:50

Uh it's not the same as air. So the videos and the records of things of these ships coming or craft coming in and out of the water, is that they move through it, in and in it and out of it, and through it, as if there's no resistance at all, which can only be explained by either it's fake or there's anti-it's anti-gravity propulsion. Okay. Meaning that um they figured out a way to move through um. This is where I'm gonna lose people. But you figure out a technology and you bend time and space slightly around the craft, and you are able to move through matter.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 11:32

Because they, you know, there's theories of like um like this chair, theoretically, because of how matter how atoms work. Theoretically, my finger could go through the chair. But there's like a very, very, very minuscule chance of that because the atoms are moving. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Like it's made of because they're deadly impacted.

SPEAKER_04 11:49

And uh theoretically, and and a lot of this is backed up by actual science. Like uh, this is why it should be taken seriously now. But but yes, but the the theory about how they move through water like that is because they're actually um they're bending the molecules around it with this technology that is not what we have. So because we don't have it doesn't mean that it's not real. You know?

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Wait, sorry, is this footage or this evidence of a craft going in and out of the water? This is recent stuff.

SPEAKER_04 12:25

This is uh yeah. It uh in the past, you know, handful of years. I mean, there's stuff from the military, there there is video of things, you know, coming in and out of the water. And these are things you can look up. And look, look, look, look. I'll I'll be I'll be straight up about it from here. Is it possible that the government is letting this stuff out and it's fake and it's a distraction? Absolutely. 100% could one, yeah, uh and it wouldn't be surprising to anybody.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

But you know, to distract from current affairs, sure, okay, or something else, or you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 12:59

Um, because it was it was pretty fishy, you know, it's like government-wise, ever since Roswell or you know, whatever, it's been all hush hush, it's been don't talk about that, it's been the stigma. The stigma is the biggest part of this whole thing because the stigma of something keeps you from being taken seriously about it.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

Uh medical science and other kinds of science, uh, you know, over the past couple hundred years, people were crackpots if they theorized that there are microorganisms, like however long ago, 120 or whatever years ago, that they I could have that totally wrong, but uh microorganisms, germs, bacteria, stuff like that. They didn't even know about it. If you talked about it, you might sound crazy. Can you explain to me right now how a garage door opener button works? Like you're really you're sitting in it in your car, right? And that's the point. I I can't really either. I'm sure somebody can. It's out of my but you're you're you're 20 feet away or something, you push a button and the door opens. It's like magic. Go back in time a hundred years and show that to somebody. They're gonna you're gonna be a witch. Or if you just talk about it 100 years ago, they're gonna write you off as insane. Yet today I can't even explain it in layman's terms. So we s we see, and that's the Bob Lazar thing. Uh the stuff that he talks about working on. So like he was the Bob Lazar was um contracted by the government because of his um, he he had worked on something, I I guess jet engines, something along that line where it's like it was applicable to this. They recruited people, according to him, recruited people to basically look at crash retrievals that the gov our government has of like crafts that have crashed or whatever or been shot down. I who knows. And they said, tell us, and they they bring you in, they say, tell me what this is, and can you get it working, or can you tell me how it works? Can you reverse engineer it? He said he wasn't there very long. He do you know, do you know why he left? Do you know this story?

SPEAKER_00 15:04

No.

SPEAKER_04 15:04

He so, and this is all according to him.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

And this is Roswell?

SPEAKER_04 15:08

No, no, no, no, no. Bob Lazar, no, this was like either he did his bulk of work before that in the 80s, or maybe this happened in the 80s. I don't really remember, but no, no, this was like this was in the past few decades. Uh allegedly, he's there working on this thing with a partner in this lab. Uh, with this ship, he says the ship is uh kind of tight inside, as if if there was a pilot, you'd have to be four feet tall. There's no buttons. So the hypothesis they came to was that um, and it's like made of this carbon fiber thing. This was before 3D printing and and other things that we we had, like there was no seams. So if you look at something that's 3D printed, there's not a seam on it because it's not been glued or nailed together or whatever. Um, this was before we had that. So he was they were fascinated by there's no seams in anything. No buttons or anything made them think, okay, this has to be connected to a pilot's mind.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

Unless it's a remote-controlled drone. But it also seemed inside like there should be something in there, according to them. What they came to figure out about how it worked, how it flew, was that it used some kind of anti-gravity propulsion system, meaning you are propelling yourself not by burning jet fuel and it's it's pushing one way and pushing the craft the other way, but by bending gravity around it so that it can just send you through space, which which theoretically is more efficient. We just don't know, and as far as I know, we just don't know in terms of America how to do that.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

I also can't wrap my mind around that concept.

SPEAKER_04 16:46

Yeah, which it's like a weird thing. Again, we as far as we know, America doesn't have that technology. We could. We like if some of this stuff is real, we have it. I don't know if we understand it, but we have it. So that's and and some of these videos that the military has that they've released show craft doing something that that demonstrates that. So it's like the craft is just moving in weird ways, yeah, and then all of a sudden like shoots into one direction at a speed of that's that would melt a human's head off, basically. If they're in a jet and you go that fast, but the ship itself, if the ship itself is using a propulsion technology of of anti-gravity or something, um, then it can just move through space and it's not affected by things like yeah, inertia and all that. And you can probably play a chess game and move that fast because of what's happening with this with the crap. Yeah, so he Bob Lazar. So Bob Lazar, according to him, is working in this base that's I think adjacent to Area 51, is what he said. There's like a couple of places out there, according to him. And so he's he's gone at like weird hours, he's like gone in the night. He's not allowed to tell anybody about it, including his wife. And his wife starts getting suspicious. And again, this is according to him. Is his uh, but because he's working for the government on this top seeker project, the government is has bugged his his house and his his phone. And so and so his wife is dead sure that he's cheating on her.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

Wait, doesn't she know he works for the government?

SPEAKER_04 18:28

I don't I don't know. I don't know what she knew, okay, but whatever, whatever the case, she didn't know enough to know, oh, he it's top secret. He didn't even say that. And I think he was if this is true. If this is true, he's he's doing the right thing.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Also on him to not to not be like, this is top secret, I can't tell you.

SPEAKER_04 18:49

Well, who knows that they probably said you can't even say that. He's he look, he's probably being a again, this is according to him. He's probably being a good employee if he's doing this, regardless. What his wife's reaction tells me he was being a good employee because she's dead certain he's cheating, not doing something top secret. If I had someone in in the FBI and they didn't want to talk about what they're doing, I'd be like, it's either disturbing or top secret, and I'm good. They're not cheating on me. So she was so in the dark, she's like, he's cheating. Then she starts cheating. My goodness. Because the government bugged their house, they find out that she's cheating. Doesn't tell, they don't tell him, obviously, they're not gonna tell him, hey, we bugged your house, but the government knows she's cheating.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 19:37

And they go, Okay, well, he's gonna find out eventually, and then he's gonna be unstable. And we can't have that in our lab. So they kick him out, he has no idea why.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

You think that won't make someone unstable?

SPEAKER_04 19:51

They uh they kick him off the program uh because of that. He he tells some friends and they don't believe him. So they he takes these friends out to the program.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Well, he tells friends what?

SPEAKER_04 20:04

What he was doing.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Okay, so because he's fire, he's like at this.

SPEAKER_04 20:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

And I'm sure he tells his wife.

SPEAKER_04 20:11

I I think so. I don't know. He tells his friends what what he was doing, he takes a bunch of them out because they don't believe him. He takes them out to like a like the perimeter of the base, and they see a bunch of lights and stuff and weird stuff, and they they get arrested because the someone sees them out there. And then at that point, he starts to be like harassed or followed or something, and he starts to fear for himself, and he goes, Okay, either I'm gonna get killed, or if I go super public with this, it's gonna be too this, it's gonna be obvious that the heat's on me, so they they won't kill me.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Sorry, so we've talked about him before, and I pretty much was on board with the other stuff we talked about, but this is shady to me.

SPEAKER_04 20:58

The the the events?

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Yes. It's like she okay, he's bugged and they don't know it. And so they fire him because if he eventually finds out, it'll make him unstable and unfit to work on this project. So let's fire him preemptively.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

Unstable home life.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Yeah. Let's fire him preemptively, but not tell him why.

SPEAKER_04 21:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:23

And then presumably they would need to debug his house, but what he's telling his friends probably in the house or his wife, because now it's like, oh, I'm free of this project, so I'm gonna just say whatever. That's dumb to me because and that's also very careless on the government's part. So I feel weird about that. And also, how can you be married to someone and not know that they work for the government?

SPEAKER_04 21:47

I mean, I look, I did that's probably some details that I don't remember. I've heard this story maybe once in like one and a half times.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:54

Uh that's something that could be looked up.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

But do you understand why I'm like some of this is BS?

SPEAKER_04 22:00

And if you if you look him up, there's stuff about him that discredits him. But he has made the argument. And look, it's like you've got to treat it fairly. It's like I'm not going to totally trust the government.

SPEAKER_02 22:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:11

And, you know, even if, even if I feel like eh some of this stuff doesn't really sound whatever, you know, to me, his record of being at he's like at an Ivy League school. I don't remember, but like his record of being there has been erased. Yeah. There's nothing that ties him to that school. And he has found old classmates, and they say, Yeah, of course you were in my class. But he has nothing else to corroborate it. The theory that everyone has is that people are recruited by the government to do these things. Like they find people who are specialists in whatever to help, but they find people who are specialists who have something in their past that makes them a scapegoat. That they can use as if they start to whistleblow. Yeah. You the government can say, well, look at that. They they have this history. They're not credible. Obviously, they're not credible. So I'm totally with that theory. I don't know what I fully, I don't know if I fully believe anything here. Yeah. I think it's all very interesting. Uh so that I mean that's the but but but the main, yeah, the main thing about Balbazar was the anti-gravity thing, which he which he brought, and that's very interesting too about this, too. He claimed that there was a there's an element not natural to this earth, like a periodic table, like there's an element that's not there. Vibrarium. Sure. That was used in the process of this and the theory of using anti-gravity. When he proposed all this stuff after working on that, our understanding of it, we okay, we called him crazy, and then science like accepted these things later, which and he turned out to be right about a couple of things. Yeah. And I don't, I don't remember the thing about the element. I think that there was like there was something where it was like a new element discovered at a certain year, or a new a new understanding in a certain element. I I don't really remember that detail, but there were things that he said about it that didn't even exist in science yet, but then eventually did. Yeah. So that that is interesting to me. Yeah, the anti-gravity thing. Yeah. The anti-gravity thing that he described is also what we're seeing in these videos of crafts, of like how they're moving through water and also through through the air. There's no visible sign of propulsion, yet they are moving as if there's like a giant hand just making them dart around.

SPEAKER_00 24:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

So I I want to circle back. You said something about everything's been so hush-hush with the government. Why? Why since Roswell has it been you shouldn't know? Yeah. I think people theorized at first. Oh, and I'm with this, you know. Oh, if I run a government of people, a society, if I think there's something that's going to cause mass hysteria, maybe I don't let that out. Which, you know, you think about, okay, there's a meteor that's going to destroy the earth and there's nothing we can do about it. And we have a week. Do we tell everybody or do we let them just be happy for a week? Yeah. There's like kind of a moral compass there. So, and so I understand if there's like an alien threat, it might cause chaos and society will collapse as we're trying to save society, whatever. I understand that, but I think that's less probable now, or at least there is an option that's that's more probable, and I'm way with it. So most people that I've heard that claim to be ex-government or ex-whatever, that say things about it, but are still afraid to say certain details, which look, maybe one of, you know, some of them could be full of shit and they're just sort of going off of what they plan to say, and then they get asked the question, and they say, Oh, I can't talk about that. I'm afraid to talk about that. Uh they seem to agree on it on the concept of it doesn't just happen in America, right? It happens all over the world. So what so what does the Bob Lazar story tell us? The government gets them, they say, Hey, reverse engineer this. So what if China's doing that? So what if Russia is doing that? That's that becomes a scary thought. Yeah. What if China gets this incredible craft that uses this technology that no one else in the world has? They figure out how to use it, and then world domination or what they they weaponize it, right? Yeah. And they figure out what and they go, okay, we have the ultimate world power. What do we want now? Do we want to own the entire world? Do we want to, you know, X, Y, and Z of foreign relations? The the thought, well, it's two separate thoughts, but I'll get to the second one. The one thought is let's tell the general public, which is also other countries, this is bullshit, while we're also trying to re-engineering stuff so that we can quickly get this thing and outpower the other countries. Russia, China are probably saying the same thing. Uh, Brazil, I think it was, Argentina. I want to say it was Brazil, though, has been experiencing some crazy shit apparently, so much that they built a tower to view it. Uh, and so it's like it's about keeping other countries in the dark, which kind of upsets me in a way, because you know, like the the storyline of Halo is uh, oh, there's an alien threat. We have to unite as a planet and have one military and in mission space command. Yes, yeah. So it's we and it's cool playing the game because you're you're running around with other soldiers and someone's got an Australian accent next to you, and someone's got a Mexican accent next to you. And um, so it's it and it just like is a clever way to paint that picture of like how the the human race you instantly have to come together if there's a there's a threat outside. But unfortunately, it becomes a nation race of who can get these things and reverse engineer them, yeah, and then just use it as a weapon against each other. When it's like, what if there is a threat against our species? So that's but but then I think the other the other uh the other theory that I've heard about why it's hush hush, it's actually protect us from them. Because if they are here, if they could potentially attack, if they could potentially become dangerous, and they see our media has let the cat out of the bag, these things exist. They uh here's all the details about them, like here's everything we have on them. They could go, okay, the jig is up, you attack now.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Well, what is their initial point in even hiding, trying to be discreet?

SPEAKER_04 28:42

No one, I mean, no one can figure that out. So, but but the thing is, if you know nothing about intentions, about what they are, what the intentions are, you can't you can't act on the basis that they're friendly.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

That's a hope.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:55

It's like hope they're friendly and plan for them to be unfriendly.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:59

Yeah, but but it which I I I get that. I get that. If you're talking to friends, but you know the enemy might be listening, you don't want to tell your friends something that could make the enemy like like jump their attack.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:14

And attack prematurely because they're like, oh, they're preparing, they know we're here, we need to go.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:19

If you know, if they're listening to our government and our government's saying aliens don't exist, or you know, threats off-world don't exist, they might say, okay, we got some more time. And our military might be secretly quietly mounting a defense against them. So I I watched this Congress hearing, you know what this is.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

The one that's circulated a couple years ago. Yeah. So they're like biologics were found.

SPEAKER_04 29:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's literally it's Congress. And they're like, they're doing this like in an emotional way, in like an almost like an angry, frustrated way. They have these people, Congress is questioning these people who are like ex um ex-government sanction, whatever, ex-military, ex whatever, uh, that witness things, that have knowledge of things. And these people who are being questioned by Congress can only say so much, but they say it a lot. And they're sworn under oath in threat of perjury. And these Congress members are, again, like I said, very impassioned while they're asking them questions. They say things like, yes, we have recovered by logics, meaning, meaning living things that uh that maybe died on impact of the crash, or who knows? I don't know. But if they confirmed by logics, which that in itself should kind of end the conversation, in my opinion, of like if this is all being taken seriously. Yeah. If if one bit of it is being taken seriously, then that that should make the whole thing be kind of like, okay, so there's not a question anymore. But confirmed crashes, obviously, confirmed government cover-ups, all this stuff. I'm not even like, because of all the theories of why we cut they covered it up, I'm not really necessarily upset at no transparency, transparency from our government because we already don't have that with lots of other things.

SPEAKER_02 31:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:09

So I and you know, and like I said, it could be a good reason. Like we don't want to tip off something else that could harm us by telling you the truth, lying to help you type thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:19

So that's fine. I think we have enough as a society to take it seriously. I found myself glued to it for like an hour.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

Like you found the just found on YouTube and watched the whole thing.

SPEAKER_04 31:33

Yeah. So there was a channel on YouTube that was like re-airing it live. So they were just kind of showing it on repeat. So that you just kind of tuned in and you're seeing what's happening with like this hearing, and it's like extremely like official. It's like very, it's uh it's frightening to to watch and to to listen to because of what is said and how people are reacting. And uh again, they're like they're getting angry with the people who are answering because sometimes they'll bullshit them and be like, again, I can't really talk about that. Uh yes, no. And they're like, okay, but be specific. Answer my question. And they're getting, they're like really, really upset about it. And uh the people in Congress seem more like UFO loons, quote unquote, than the people being questioned who are saying who are confirming these things. Yeah. And the people in Congress are saying statements of like, because they have to introduce themselves first, you know, and they're saying, like, you know, if if saying this makes me crazy, welcome to new normal people. Like this is this is serious. Uh so seeing that's, and again, look, all that could be bullshit too. I'm not, I'm not uh accepting any of this as like, you know, oh, I'm you know, creating a tinfoil hat. That's not happening. I think just considering the seriousness of it is the responsibility of everybody.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

When did that happen?

SPEAKER_04 32:54

The Congress hearing?

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:55

I want to say in the past year-ish, year and a half-ish to two years. But it it did happen. And I think it happened around the time that the videos were released from the military, you know. Yeah. And these videos, these military videos, if you go on YouTube and watch them, or go on some side and watch them, I mean, it's it's incredibly um compelling because it's not the pilot of a jet or something that's like holding his phone recording and it's like recording devices from the jet itself, from whatever they're doing itself, from bases or something that's sort of locked in on this thing. And you have in a lot of these, you have audio. Yeah, and in the audio, the audio is the most compelling part of it, not just the video, which can be, you know, computer generated.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

You hear the person like, well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:46

You hear a you know, Air Force pilot or something uh who has seen all kinds of things, yeah, who has done all kinds of things, who's probably killed people or something, and they're in real time reacting to not knowing what it is. A lot of them are laughing, screaming in terms of like like whoop, like hooping and hollering, type like, I did you see this? Do you what what is this? What is that? Do you see it? Um, how is it moving like that? They're like, whoa, I've never seen something like that. The I think it's called the Tic Tac, that one that pilot's going crazy. But this stuff's happening, it's happening in real time on the video. And again, the government could be bullshitting us. I'm again, I'm I'm with that. But uh, but it was released for who knows what reason. Uh these things, these videos also happen like in the past 10 years. They're not super old. Yeah, uh, they're not super new. I don't think there might be some new stuff that's out there. You know, when that stuff happened, everybody was like, I remember the memes, everybody was like, so we have this and we're just kind of going about our life.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Yeah, it's weird that it wasn't a bigger deal.

SPEAKER_04 34:49

Yeah, I I get it though, because look, in my well, I I sat down and thought about it because I'm, you know, I'm I have that opinion too. I'm like, the government saying this and and like everyone's cool, but even if you saw a spaceship like tonight, would you call out of work the next morning? Life goes on, you know. It's not like that's gonna shut down you know everything. So to a degree, it's like obviously things are gonna go about as normal unless you know something like COVID or some kind of threat changes society. But you know, uh it is a little surprising that um people are reacting in a different way. Because I I I feel like something like that should squash a lot of petty things that exist in our society, because the moment that you know for sure, because we don't know for sure that there's life off of this planet, but the moment that we were to know for sure, I mean, that really unifies every human, you know.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

I think it would only be uniting us if there was a threat.

SPEAKER_04 36:01

Yeah. Uh yeah, but especially a non-human, not a threat. Uh like if it planted the apes, like if if somehow the apes rose up and they became super smart, it's like every human now is an ally. Yeah. Why would this be any different? And hopefully humanity is not too far gone to like, you know, if this threat becomes real. I mean, also the if there is a threat like this, I think they'd be smart enough to attack very quickly and on a mass scale so that we can't do anything about it. And we our death will be so fast we won't even know what happened. And in my opinion, I don't see it being like we hear it on the news and we have to run and hide, and we're like on, you know, in hiding for weeks and stuff. There's no, I don't, I don't believe that's gonna be a thing. I think it's just gonna be, you know, massive and quick.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

So do you have a theory on what they are?

SPEAKER_04 36:57

So we're gonna circle back to something you said at the beginning.

unknown 37:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 37:01

So, yeah, so outside of our galaxy or something is possible. They're super evolved, they have technology to get here, you know, whatever. Um there's two other things that I think might be plausible, if any of this is plausible. I already said beings under the ocean.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

So you like they come from there?

SPEAKER_04 37:23

Like their society is now there because technologically they've figured out how to exist there.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

Is now there and not on another planet.

SPEAKER_04 37:32

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's it may not even be from another planet, it's just coming from our ocean. And then we see their craft because they're visiting, they're doing whatever they need to be doing. Beings under the ocean that have been here for an incredibly long time, either from off-planet, or like I said earlier, us, but super evolved. And any of them that were left up here were killed in some way, and they went down there. Like the theory of um Atlantis, you know, being lost to the ocean.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

But are they from the future and came to live here? Like how are they evolved and we aren't?

SPEAKER_04 38:07

And so in this theory, it's like they're evolved because beings were already here and evolved a very, very, very long time ago, thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago, evolved to this level, figured out how to move their society underwater because of some kind of threat, or for whatever reason, who knows? And moved it down there and have craft, you know, with anti-propulsion, you know, anti-gravity propulsion are able to come up and do whatever, for whatever reason they're doing it. That's where they are. Uh again, all of this, again, all these theories are backed by science. By, you know, there's some there's some component of this that is reasonable. Yeah. And I wouldn't be saying any of this if I thought that it was like there's nothing redeemable about it.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

So there's that, which I think is probably the least likely. But I will say though, there was an account of, I don't know what was going on. There was some, I don't know if there were Navy SEALs, there was some, maybe some kind of rescue mission or something was happening in the ocean. And this guy was on a ladder, you know, like a helicopter, and there's a ladder coming down from the helicopter, and there's a guy at the end of the ladder. It's like a rope ladder, you know. And um he's at the surface of the water, and he's to do something. Oh, maybe it was like a to repair, like something on an oil thing. I don't, maybe, I don't know. Uh, but regardless, it's there's a guy on the edge, on the end of a rope ladder from a helicopter. And he's on, he's at the surface of the water, and he described a black circle the size of a small island. So incredibly huge. Oh, this is what it was. Missile tests. There were missile tests done uh out into the ocean to test missiles. I don't remember how long ago. It wasn't too long ago, uh, but missile tests on the ocean, and so you got to go and retrieve the missiles. They're like non-explosive, it's just testing how far, whatever. I don't know. They're propulsions on them, I don't know. So he he's going to retrieve it. He's on the edge of the ladder and he's at the surface of the water, and he's like he's close to it. This big mass, this big black mass under the water he sees rising to the surface, the size of a small island, so incredibly huge. He said right before it broke the surface of the water, it sucked the missile down and disappeared, like shot back down. He said it was like the most like disturbing, scary thing that's ever happened to him. Um, you know, probably messed up his uniform, you know. I would definitely. Um, but uh, you know, and so these theories of like something, some kind of craft or something and technology being stationed underwater, or if it is from off-planet, they figured out how to be in our waters. And okay, they figured out, oh, we can kind of be undetected. Uh, apparently there was a an account from a submarine or multiple submarines that say that um via their sonar, they're able to see something moving through the water. There was one account that said there was something the size of an oil rig that went right by them at an incredibly fast speed. And according to when submarines have accounts like this, they just avoid it. They don't try to attack it, they don't try to investigate it, they just avoid it, which is probably protocol, if I had to guess.

SPEAKER_02 41:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:31

But the one account said something as big as an oil rig, which is huge, like a building, basically, goes by them incredibly fast. And they could they could see on sonar that it was there and just shot by them. As if it was like trying to like, because you know, if you drive close by to something, you're like trying to check it out and then leave. It said that was the behavior of it.

SPEAKER_00 41:52

Um wait, are these like you are getting this from people on podcast talking about it?

SPEAKER_04 41:57

Um podcasts, uh, you know, this different interviews and things. The all the underwater stuff I've heard from podcast interviews, um, which you know, that that's this is all whatever. It's you know, you have to believe it, I guess. Um, but but uh the reason I'm talking about all of these things is because if any of it is true, then it's like consider one or two of the stories. I think that's I honestly at this point, when I weigh it, it seems like the more responsible thing to do is to just consider it.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:31

Because I totally get the stigma. Like I, you know, I get it. And I get it, and I'm with the stigma to an extent. It's like I've heard people talking about these things. And you remember that thing that we watched about that guy who was like, there's aliens coming in this storm, and then he disappeared. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:47

He uh knew the exact day, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:49

He knew that somehow. Uh and uh that guy seemed like kind of a crackpot, even though the story is crazy interesting. Yeah. Um, which I that's not even worth getting into, but oh, but that okay, so under the underwater stuff, which I think is less likely. But then that leads to the third option, which I think is very likely. I don't know if it's more likely than off-world, but I I don't know, I'm kind of with this because I've always believed, you know, if time travel exists in the future, that means it exists now. So we from the future could be could it theoretically visit us now? So that could that could be a reasonable um hypothesis of like if we're seeing something, okay, that could be it. Also, a cartoon is what number do you put in front of D for a cartoon? Like Spongebob, 2D, 2D, right? So, like, yeah, like Spongebob, 2D. So we accept and understand that dimensions exist in science. 2D and 3D exist to us. So, according to science, those numbers just keep going, right? So it is backed by science that there is a fourth dimension. There is a higher dimension, right? That is a thing that just exists. So if something existed in the second dimension, they wouldn't be able to comprehend third dimension. Theoretically, I, you know, SpongeBob wouldn't be able to understand that he's a show and that we are this. So, but that those dimensions exist, is what I'm saying. We don't understand theoretically how to visit the fourth dimension, what it is, how to see it, how to touch it, all of that stuff. And also everything's based on the perception of our physical body, our eyes. We see the color red, dogs can't even see the color red. So that's everything that we understand, how things feel, everything, that's just based on our body.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:42

So is reality exactly how we perceive it? That's just that's one of those deep, that's like a that's like a weed conversation. That's like a, you know, is reality that? So the fourth dimension would exist like above that level of understanding. Is it us like in the future? Did we understand, did we figure out, or now did someone figure out how to visit the fourth dimension? And uh that's like the theory that some people have about Bigfoot of like if other dimensions exist exist, are you in a state of mind in the forest, you know, dense forest, and you're confused and you're seeing all these things where you can kind of glimpse at something else. Uh, I don't know if I'm necessarily with that. I don't know. I don't know about the Bigfoot thing, but in terms of other uh dimensions existing, they do. Science says yes, and science says that the multiverse exists. That's not just a sci-fi thing. Yeah, so I mean, you ask what I think they could be. They could be off-world or they could be any of these things. I do I think our science knows. I think they know more than we we know that they know. Yeah, I don't know um, but I also think that the possibility of a threat is looming and completely possible. So have you seen anything in recent news about this interstellar thing that is being recorded on the edge of our galaxy? No. There's a thing they the size of it keeps changing, according to people studying this. I don't remember the last thing they said of how big it was. It's it's pretty big to them that they're that how they're perceiving it right now. It's extremely far away, but it's moving incredibly quickly. The shape of it is very odd. And look, and this is out there. They've they're telling the public this. They're saying that the way it looks, from how they can perceive it, and the way it's moving, and the speed it's moving, and the trajectory tell scientists it's more likely this is an artificial thing. It doesn't behave in space like rock or a meteor or something that we know of in space. It's not behaving that way. And it is going straight for us. And they're predicting it'll be here in August or no, in um October, November, I think they said.

SPEAKER_00 47:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 47:10

Um, that it will just be here. This isn't a bigger conversation.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

It's like don't look up.

SPEAKER_04 47:15

Yeah. I I mean uh it's like don't look up, except they are theorizing from here at this point that it is not natural.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 47:26

And so artificial meaning that something with intelligence is piloting or or moving it.

SPEAKER_00 47:34

Okay. So we don't know like we can't tell this like is it coming at a consistent speed?

SPEAKER_04 47:40

I apparently. I mean you this could be if you wanted to look at it, this could be the thing to look up, but actually I you should just just whatever the first thing you see.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

I don't want you to type in.

SPEAKER_04 47:50

Type in interstellar objects, and it should be the first thing that comes up. And just tell me what the title says.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Um Harvard, Harvard scientist suggests what looks like a comet might be alien technology. How close can the Junas spacecraft get to the interstellar object? New telescope captures interstellar comets being through space, turning toward our solar system on Reddit right now.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

You're on Reddit?

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Yeah. NASA discovers interstellar comet moving through solar system. Currently about 420 million miles away. This is July 2nd.

SPEAKER_04 48:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

So I guess that you don't know. Like, are we behaving like it's gonna be a threat?

SPEAKER_04 48:34

Yeah. Um, so that's that's the thing. That's the language that again, you said Harvard was the first thing you said was Harvard scientists. That's not somebody that I'm because look, if we discredit them, who the fuck are we take are we crediting?

SPEAKER_00 48:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:49

Honestly, who like, you know, who are we gonna believe? Yeah, who did it say anything about NASA?

SPEAKER_00 48:54

It says NASA discovers interstellar comet moving through solar system.

SPEAKER_04 48:57

But they they use the word comet.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:59

Uh does it say like what what is when is that from, by the way?

SPEAKER_00 49:02

July 2nd.

SPEAKER_04 49:03

July 2nd. Uh what does it say like any blurbs of info?

SPEAKER_00 49:07

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 49:08

Like, does it say like in, you know, like there's like a subtitle sometimes or no?

SPEAKER_00 49:12

It just says NASA discovers interstellar comet moving through solar system. Yeah. And it says the comet poses no threat to Earth and will remain at a distance of at least 1.6 astronomical units, which is about 150 miles. It's currently about 416 miles from the sun. This is also July 2nd.

SPEAKER_04 49:29

Yeah, it's and I've I've seen many, many updated things since July 2nd. Maybe look up um interstellar artificial or just see if there's another maybe like a more recent thing.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

The article is from the Herald Mail 17 hours ago.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

17 hours ago. Well, let's at least just hear what it says.

SPEAKER_00 49:48

I know I'm not saying we should credit it, but so the the sub, the blurb, an interstellar object whizzing through our solar system was widely determined to be a comet. But a trio of researchers led by Avi Loeb recently posed a different idea. And that's, I'm assuming, the Harvard scientist. Yeah. He's a controversial astrophysicist from Harvard. Controversial. Um, and it's called 3i slash Atlas. Yeah. Isn't just some random space rock that arrived in our solar system by happenstance, but an intelligently controlled alien spacecraft. Um, even the authors of the research paper aren't fully sold on this idea, but extraterrestrial visitors are always fun to think about.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

Well, okay, so I I'm seeing things all over the place.

SPEAKER_00 50:35

It was there no other like article that had like a similar title or Harvard scientist Avi Loeb says 313 Atlas could be alien craft. One day ago, they're intelligent and hostile. This alien tech object is near Earth.

SPEAKER_04 50:56

I don't what that's just a separate article?

SPEAKER_00 50:59

These are just article titles. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 51:02

Well, it's not near Earth, so that's maybe not like that one.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

Yeah, what do you want me to look for?

SPEAKER_04 51:07

Well, just if there's anything else that's similar, but just just like another thing.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

It was intentional. Harvard issues a warning about the interstellar object. November warning of Baba Vanga's Alien Prophecy Resurfaces. Uh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 51:22

Sounds like you're getting into like the These are just top stories headlines that I'm reading. Yeah. Like article titles, though. Like Okay. Really? Yeah. I've I kind of can you hand that to me? Exact date alien probe, quote unquote, is set to arrive at Earth. This chilling warning is is issued. Harvard scientists has issued a chilling warning about a mysterious interstellar object hurling towards our solar system. Could spell disaster for Earth. Probing claim inner the object is most likely an alien ship. I see, I wish I could find that I've been seeing exactly what I said, that the justification is because of the unnatural trajectory and speed. Yeah. Uh, which is very listen to how fast I said that. That's very quick to say. I don't know why this is so difficult to write here. Because all it's talking about is the way that people are reacting to each other. Well, I mean, I don't want to take too much time. It's literally just getting into um the way people are reacting to this rather than just that. I mean, you can look it up, anyone can look it up for themselves, but yeah, everything that I've seen just has to do with the possibility of that. Because what I have seen is that the movement is not that of a typical comet. Yeah. NASA is also part of the government, if I'm not mistaken. Is do you know if that's true? Yeah. Um so if you know, if NASA's saying, well, it's a comet, you know, that could also be the government saying, no, it's not. Yes. You know, I'd leave it to the government to say, but aliens could be fun to think about. That's such a wickedhead thing to say.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

Well, no, it was the Harvard, it was the guy who wrote the article said that. The guy who wrote the article said about talking about the Harvard science astrophysicists.

SPEAKER_04 53:12

Oh, the guy who wrote the article about them, not them. Okay. So, I mean, so it's also journalism.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:19

Uh you can write some, you can write that's the thing, man, about articles that people are shit posting and everything. It's like it's written by a human who is biased. Exactly. Period. Any an article about anything, an article about stamps is going to be biased because it's written by a person with opinions. You know? So needless to say, this is at least a possibility. And that's my point of this whole conversation. Not to spread my main like me, my mania, my my you know, being a crackpot. Um, just spread the awareness of this severity that I that I see in just a conversation. Just having a conversation. We don't have to run, we don't have to wear tin hats, you know, we don't have to do any of that stuff. But at least thinking about it and thinking about the transparency of our government, thinking about the world.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

It's so interesting though, because yeah, like that Supreme Court thing, them saying that they found biologics and basically confirming that there's UFOs or AUP or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 54:22

UAP, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:23

Yeah. It's like at the end of the day, it doesn't affect us until it does.

SPEAKER_04 54:29

Until it does. So it's it's really not, I guess, not our job to deal with it. Yeah. Or worry about it. Yeah. Yeah, but you're right. By the time the government fails to protect us, if they do, it's too late. And then it's like every man for himself. I'm glad you said UAP. We'll say this and we'll finish. So the reason it's UAP, people used to think that they changed it from UFO because of the stigma. I thought that. Where it's like, hey, we want to continue to research this but not be seen as crazy. Um, apparently that's not the case. So UFO means unidentified flying object. They change it to UAP, uh, unidentified aerial phenomenon. But even that, so they've changed what the A stands for because of the water shit, because of the shit that they've seen in the water and how it's moving through the water and everything, and coming up from the from underwater, they don't know. And also, and so they don't know if it's that's necessarily an airborne out-of-space thing.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:27

But also, if you say the word aerial, you're implying flight.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:31

And if a craft is moving through space in water or the air or something, they're not, by our definition of flight, they're not flying. They're not using wings or propeller, using the resistance of the of the wind to move their craft. If they're using anti-gravity, that's not flying. So unidentified anomalous phenomena is what it stands for now. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

So just something that is strange.

SPEAKER_04 55:59

Just yeah, just something that exists. Yeah. A phenomenon that that is being unexplained. So yeah, so I thought that was very interesting to hear that. And also the fact that it's that that was changed in that way by scientists, I'm like these new things that are out, it's like, you know, taken seriously. Or just the consideration should be serious. And and let's drop the stigma. I mean, to a certain point, you can say, okay, this person has lost it.

SPEAKER_00 56:27

But uh, you know, and I think it's because it's like, what's the point? Like if someone is like, oh my gosh, like, like in the thing that we saw with the guy, like who said that he was gonna be taken by aliens or whatever. It's like when you make it your whole life, it's like what's the point of that? Yeah. And that's when it goes into okay, you're a little like not mentally sound.

SPEAKER_04 56:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Because yeah, to me, again, like, what's the point? There's enough to worry about then things that we can't know and won't know because yeah, the government's probably hiding stuff.

SPEAKER_04 57:10

Yeah, or or like I say, about the dimensions, it's outside of our comprehension. So yeah, you're right. Um, yeah, the to an extent, there's no point. But this conversation, you know, if it's if it exists, then it's in our science. And having the conversation about the awareness of it is like at least stimulating.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Yeah, it's incredibly interesting. Yeah. Like thinking about and like knowing these new things. Like I had no idea about the water stuff.

SPEAKER_04 57:37

Yeah, yeah. And that's you know, that's within some of those military videos, but also just accounts that people are saying. It's like when, you know, there gets to a point where there's too much of the same thing being talked about, and especially the sailor thing, uh, Columbus and his ship, that the this thing that they said that they saw.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

I didn't know about that. Is that like written somewhere?

SPEAKER_04 57:55

I I think so. I think you know, it's like someone talked about it. It's you know, we could probably research that, but um yeah, I don't know. So, anyways, yeah, so I'll take that out of our mystery box and we'll it wasn't so much of a mystery, it was to you.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

I'm actually realizing that I think I pulled that from the last time, but I forgot about it.

SPEAKER_04 58:15

Yeah. Um, yeah, so that's unless there's some other thing that comes out that I want to talk about, um, this can be the alien episode. And I'll I'll probably put in the title or description, I'll put mystery box, parentheses, G U N, parentheses, just aliens or something like that. So um, yeah. So, anyways, yeah, there's aliens. Here it is.