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Justin David is a multifaceted and accomplished actor, editor, and all around reliable and solid guy. If you know him you know!
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Can you say something here?
SPEAKER_04Hey, yo, what's good apparently? Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
SPEAKER_00Dude, I don't I don't think I told you. I don't think I told you. Speaking of recording stuff, um Judy and I were down here in this parking lot, down back behind us. Yeah. And uh we're about to walk out into the parking lot, and I just turn to my right, and there's a car that's like diagonal in the parking lot, and it was in reverse, it was going in reverse, and it like was speeding up, like it wasn't slowing down. I was just like, you know, I was kind of frozen, like when you want to say something out of adrenaline, and you just like kind of I was just frozen. I was looking at it, I was like, that what like about trying to say this guy's gonna hit these other cars. Yeah. And he just slams into like two, almost three cars at once. Uh yeah, it just happened like out of nowhere. And uh and then he like speeds up towards the dead end part of the parking lot to turn around. And so me and Judy, like, and one of the people he hit, they were out on their porch downstairs. Yeah. Um, and they just happened to see it, and they're like, Oh shit, like Oscar cut, you know, someone just slammed into your truck. And so they start to come out, and Judy's like freaking like Judy's acting like TMZ and has her camera going, and she's like stuck out in the parking lot because he's about to to come back the other way, like to leave. Yeah. And I was like, come back, come back, like he's gonna hate you.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and um he's like, I'm gathering evidence.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and and we got his license, but he speeds up to leave, but then like slows down in front of Judy and stares her down to to be like, I saw you, like I see you, like I know who you are, type thing, and then sped away. And she was only taking pictures, she wasn't recording it. So we could have had his face like really clear, just like staring right now.
SPEAKER_04Like, she got a photo of him, like no, no.
SPEAKER_00She I don't I don't think so. I think she just got the um the license, dude. So we got that, but no, he he looked at her like he was gonna send a hitman after her or something. I was like, fuck. Wow, and we were we were frozen. Like I she was like 15 feet away from me, and it happened so fast. Like, I yeah, who knows? I was like, dude, he could have shot you or something.
SPEAKER_04Did you guys share this information with like the person I got hit on?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, we talked to one of them for a while after that. Right. But it would just like we don't know if he had beef with somebody. They said that they didn't know him though, or if he was like maybe maybe on something, and then he was embarrassed that he that we saw him and we're taking pictures of him, whatever. But yeah, dude, it's crazy.
SPEAKER_04Dude, that is crazy. Like, sorry, like the in the same topic of crazy shit happening at the apartment. Yeah, I don't know if you remember when you came over together when we were all like hanging out at Diane's. Um, there was a topic that was going on at the end of the night when I was like sloshing the couch and I was basically high off of this freaking Tylenol and alcohol.
SPEAKER_00Toward like towards the end, like before before I left?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Like um when I was like, yeah, I was on the couch. I mean, I was Thomas and Hanny, and you were over there.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, so what were their names again?
SPEAKER_04Hanny and then Thomas.
SPEAKER_00I mean, if you put a gun to my head, I don't remember their name.
SPEAKER_04Um, but but okay, yeah, yeah. So this is some crazy stuff, and I haven't shared, I actually have not talked to anybody about this because it's like kind of an ongoing thing. Yeah but like privacy, security.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah. Remembering. Oh, it's coming back to me now. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04All those things are compromised. Yeah. And so it's been ongoing. I don't know if you remember much of the story, but basically what happened was like I was at her apartment. I just walked Hooper.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And I got back, I was on the phone with Diane, but I had to let her back in. And while I'm on the phone with her, I see that door literally just slowly creak open. And I was like, yo, is that you? And then immediately, whatever registered with that person, they heard something from this end, yeah, and just immediately close that door. And then Cooper's like going A-Wall, just like be like, yo, what's up? And I was like, Wait, was that you? Like, did you just I was I'm still on the phone with Diane. Yeah, I go there to check, nobody's there. So red flags are going off.
SPEAKER_00Did you hear somebody running away or did it just disappear?
SPEAKER_04They literally just disappeared. Yeah, like I mean, there's no other, I mean, the door just can't just like.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So obviously they did this the crazy that they had like ghost feet.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, exactly. And there's a staircase, like uh, here's her spot. And if you turn to the right and then turn left, like immediately to the right, there is a exit.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And there's also that other exit where we came through, but that's a longer stretch. So even when I checked out, if they were still trying to run down the hallway, I would have seen them, you know?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But they were gone, they were gone. So basically that same day. Um, anyway, I hop in Diane's car because like we were gonna go to see Hanny because they had to go pick up the bikes. And in the car with her, I was like, yo, this whole situation has happened. That is really weird. So sends, yeah, she sends an email to probably, I don't know. Yeah, you know what's cool? Let's call it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because he's definitely gonna listen to this.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Um she sends an email to the community manager. And um basically, long story short, the next day, he calls her up. He's like, hey, yeah, you know, sorry about that happening. It's totally weird. Yeah, we had a temporary employee who was going around checking locks to make sure that there was no faulty locks on our doors. Yeah, they're no longer with us. We fire them because we're doing some more, you know, you scratch the back of your head type of behavior.
SPEAKER_00This was the next day?
SPEAKER_04This is the next day, the morning up.
SPEAKER_00So what's crazy, and uh sorry, uh sorry to cut you off, but what's crazy about that is that he acknowledges that it was this person that worked for them and also says that they've been fired. Wasn't saying it was because of this. Right. So you're saying something else happened in that like 12 hours that caused him to be fired on top of this. So that's just so much shit like this.
SPEAKER_04My brother in Christ, I'm about to tell you everything that goes into that goes on in my chaotic mind, yeah, my insatiably insecure mind, that literally just looks at everything to find everything in a as a integrity, yeah, solutions, freaking look at this man's character and the way that he responded, and also this whole entire dynamic. And when Diane told me that he said that it was a temp employee that is no longer there, they are fired, and they said that he said that they did some eyebrow or back of the head scratching type of behavior. Yeah, no longer there. And then Diane responds with like, yeah, I didn't think it was much of it. I was just like, Hey, we got a case.
SPEAKER_00Didn't think much of it.
SPEAKER_04This is a freaking case. And I was like, Babe, we gotta do something, we gotta do something. And then, I mean, you know Diane, she's very like non-cromportail, she's a sweetheart, so she's like, nah, it's not that big of a deal. But she too was like, it is a little weird though, you know, that you come to think of it. So basically, after that night we kicked it, and even after, um, I think she also needs to hear like other people go, yo, do something about it. Because all of us collected were like, you need to do it. Because like there's a place under her name. You know, I'm just a guest. And basically, he goes over to the office on Tuesday, right? Following Tuesday, and because it was Memorial Day weekend, um, Monday the office is closed. Tuesday, she goes in. He's she's like, I'm sorry, like she basically was like, Can I get a better idea of what's going on? Because that story you said was very, very unsettling.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And there was a back and forth basically going on between, like, you know, you said this, it doesn't make sense. Can I get the footage? No.
SPEAKER_00They said they had footage?
SPEAKER_04He just said no, you can't get the footage. Wow. So by stating that you can only assume, yes, there is camera footage here. Wow. But also, we we circled that entire premises, like that floor. The camera is so freaking it's it's the the line of sight for it is terrible.
SPEAKER_00I remember just leaving it looking for it and being like, there's I don't, you know, I don't see one, like I don't see what the how they could have seen something.
SPEAKER_04And also, before we dive even more into Tuesday, there's certain things that a apartment and property management company needs to do or they send out anybody to your apartment. Yeah, yeah. For one, there needs to be a proper reason, whether it's from the management team or from the tenant. Yeah. Like, and also the general rule of thumb is if someone, if you if you are the management team and you're going around checking for maintenance, because this what he said is considered a maintenance type of issue. Yeah, you're fucking knock.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I I mean, every apartment that I've lived in, you know, knock knock knock, maintenance, like they'll yell maintenance. Right, like, and sometimes they'll just come on in because they expect someone to not be home, you know, or whatever.
SPEAKER_04Also, like truthfully speaking, like, you don't just let people just waltz on in here unless they were already here and they were just going to their car and running back in. Yeah, but like I wouldn't just come into your door without letting you know, hey, I'm here. Yeah, whether it's a knock or a text. Like, I don't like knocking because that's just fucking weird sometimes with some people. I don't mind it, but some people are just like, I don't like drawing attention to myself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. No, I'm no, no, like nobody in our generation likes to knock. I go to Jeff's house, man, and I just text him. I'm like, please, in my in my 20 seconds from my car to his door, right? Just, you know, come on out. Um, even though I love his parents, I love it, it's just something about knocking. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04No, I feel it's I feel like it's a it has to be like a serious situation where you can knock or like, yo, I need your attention. Where you just go back to traditional knocking or ringing the doorbell. But anyway, Tuesday. She's talking to him, the audacity of this man. Not only did he not acknowledge her safety at all, no, no mention of her safety. He was like, What do you want me to do about it? And then he was like, You shouldn't have left your door unlocked. Remember one bitch, who told you the door was unlocked? Who told you?
SPEAKER_00That's so he's like, it's almost like he's given up on his excuse.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_00That's and then he was like, Um wait, did this happen after we talked about it? Like, didn't hadn't it just happened?
SPEAKER_04It just happened that week, and the following Tuesday, she goes. So he goes over there and he's like, Well, you shouldn't have let the door unlocked. And he just kept up the because this is what she said the stalemate was. All that he did was give her a blank look like, what do you want me to do? Like, what do you want me to do? There was no acknowledgement of anything, bro. Not even like a proper sorry, not even an apology for the inconvenience. And it's like, my thing is I don't think you I don't think you have to be a boss or a manager or supervisor to give good service here. Yeah. You are my tenant and you're living at my property, and you tell me, yo, there is something that happened. I'd be like, yo, I am so sorry about this. Let me go to Cooper, my manager, because I definitely want to make sure that you're safe. We can take care of something for you. Let's give you like initially, like everyone was telling us, like, oh, you can get a couple months off at least. Like, yo, screw that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Tom Thomas was pushing for that, right? That's his name, right, Thomas?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Like, whatever, dude. But like, like the thing is for someone to have audacity or the boldness to try to go into someone's apartment like that and then take off, that's not the first time someone does that. It's kind of like whenever anybody does shady behavior comfortably, or does it like just seamlessly like that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04For one, when that happened, prior to that person, whoever it was trying to open the door, I went to go take the trash out.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So seconds before.
SPEAKER_04Exactly. Yeah. Like less than two minutes. Whoever it was that tried to open the door could potentially have been watching.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, dang.
SPEAKER_04And they just did not see me coming back. So he basically was like, What do you want me to do about it? And showing up the drawing line. He was literally brushing it off. And for one, that pissed me off because I'm like, yo, Diane is a single woman, leaving a woman. Yeah, yeah. And you're not acknowledging her safety and privacy being compromised. You're not looking at anything. You're just like, yo, what do you want? What do you want? And she tells me listen, obviously, she's upset. And I was like, All right, so we need to find a way to get in contact with a supervisor or a superior, someone above him, because he has a boss, right? And we sat on her for a while. I sent out numerous emails and I CC'd Diane in because, like, you know, I felt like yo, because I was the one that was there when this happened. Yeah. Even people from their HR was like, yo, this ticket is closed. No one from Rangewater, the property management, the people that actually run the property, they didn't say anything to me, which I guess rightfully so. I'm not on the lease, so why would they want to interact with me if I'm just the guest who saw it all happen? Now the pot is just stirring. The pot's just stirring, the pot is just stirring. So I was just like, okay. I call up the property management team. It says automated little system here. And I had to robot literally, it's like if you have a name for a directory, you know, say the name. I was like, CEO. And then the automated and then the automated thing was like, gave me a name. It was um for the sake of this conversation. Did you say Sarah Jones? And I was like, yes.
SPEAKER_00Oh, it was a female name. Good for that company, right? Sarah. Um and then well, I'm picturing like, you know, Fred Wilson or you know, something in my head.
SPEAKER_04Yo, female leadership. We love it. We love it. We love it. So I get connected with Sarah Jones and she answers. I'm like, hey Sarah, my name is Justin David. I am uh my I am I am uh I'm calling on behalf of my girlfriend, Diane Park. Um there was a situation that happened here. This is I know this is probably out of your jurisdiction because she was based out in South Carolina. She has no connection to anything that's going on over here besides being the fact that she's a part of the same company.
SPEAKER_01Oh, wow. Okay.
SPEAKER_04I gave her the whole rundown situation. She gave me an email for HR. I emailed them back, I emailed HR, nothing happened. And then To the top, exactly, you know, they were like, this ticket is closed. I was like, yo, fuck you. Take your ass back to fuck ass land where you belong, whatever.
SPEAKER_00So what the hell?
SPEAKER_04This past Monday. Sorry, this is a long ass story.
SPEAKER_00No, no, it's like uh that's that's cra it's like a conspiracy, man.
SPEAKER_04Bro, this is this gets weirder. Yeah. So on Monday, I'm walking Cooper. Like, I'm walking Cooper, and I'm by the leasing office. Little bitch ass bitches. I mean, this dude over there, he's walking his dog too, because this is a lunch break.
SPEAKER_00The guy, the guy who manages and lives there, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Okay. So I see him, Cooper's pooping right by the office. I don't pick it up. And nice, yeah, stick it to him. Yeah, exactly. Like, we can clean it up. Yeah. He's walking his dog. I clock him, he's to my left, and he's with his dog. I was like, whatever. I'm not gonna talk to him. Because also, I think me and Diane were like, we we got into this like disagreement here, and you know how we are sometimes. We're just like, all right, well, we get real real prideful over here. And I was just like still stuck on that. And he sees me, he clearly sees Cooper. I know that he knows who Cooper is and who Cooper's mama is, yeah, because she has brought him into the office, and he's seen he has seen Diane and Cooper before. He's Cooper, I'm pretty sure he recognized him, and he's seen me before because like I think I waved that to him like a long time ago. I was like, hi, neighbor, and whatever. So, but he sees us. I look over, he's us, and he's casually with his little, he's a cute little dog. Yeah, and he goes back into leasing office. I was like, whatever, probably I didn't think much of it. And this is a leasing office. Yeah, I was over here, yeah. He goes back in, I walk. I didn't look back. But then Cooper, little feral ass, is going crazy right behind me. And I was like, Oh, it's him. I'm only gonna assume motherfucker decide to go inside because he don't like that I was right over there. It felt uncomfortable for him.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, of course.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and he decides to come back out and we lock eyes again. He's not about to go back inside. Yeah, his pride's too big because he didn't. Yeah. So nice. Basically, on the street, I'm I'm about right here, I turn around, I see him, and I'm like, I just walk over to the side so Cooper can finally shit because he has a light proper. He led out a couple of little little turd rocks over by the window. And um Cooper and that dog are just kind of eyeing each other. And I'm peeking at this dude. Eventually he comes by, he's over here. I'm over here. I'm like, hey, uh community manager. I'm Justin. I'm uh I'm Diane's boyfriend. Hey, I'm pretty sure you know about the situation that happened. Um I don't want this situation to go over to any extreme of like, you know, legal or law enforcement, but if you can help me out with the situation, I would greatly appreciate it because he's her mental health is completely compromised with this situation. Yeah, dude. Yeah, also, like I've been having to come over here a little bit more frequently and also taking care of Cooper. Yeah. Just because, like, you know, it's it isn't it doesn't feel safe for her. Yeah, yeah. And like she told me a situation about a temp employee and you know, a temporary agency, and he was just like, Yeah, I had the conversation with the man, and like she didn't tell me what she wanted to do. I was like, I mean, there was no solution there, whether it was like a transfer or even like you know, credits in the like there was nothing mentioned there. And then he was like, She wants a transfer, and I was like, in my mind, I'm like, I'm not even thinking about that. I'm like, I was just like, Yeah, sure, but can you tell me what can be a solution for this situation here? Like, yeah, he was like, I talked to Diane about it, and it was a stale. Like, he was like, the reason why I was stammering her, she didn't tell me what she wanted. I was like, Can you give us footage of the situation? Can you give us footage that he was there? Can you give us some any kind of log? I mean, he was like, I really can't. I was like, because he his excuse was, well, it was a temp employee. I'm like, I was starting to get pissed. I was like, but I was keeping calm because you know, sober is a bird, nothing in my system. I was passing that day. I was like, dude, for a temp employee, you are the manager, they are delegated with their assignments from you. Yeah, you have to contact somebody over there in order for them to send over someone to you, in order for them to do something at this property, they have to go through you, correct? And he was like, correct, you know? I was like, okay. Um, is there someone we can contact? Like, do you have a superior Joe supervisor? He's like, Yes, I do. I was like, Can you give me his contact or her email contact? He's like, Yeah, I'll go ahead and share the email. I was like, Cool. Um, is it cool if I can meet you back in the office after I dropped Cooper off? And he was like, No, I'll just email it to you. I was like, Great, thank you so much. I was like, no, cool. He's actually willing to work with us. Fantastic. Get on an email. I'm like, hey, um, dude. Um, I'm only saying dude because I don't want to say his name again.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, no, you're good.
SPEAKER_04Hey dude, uh, ask for our conversation. Could you share the information that you said you will share? I had Diane in the email too. He emails Diane back, removes me from the conversation, and is like, hey Diane, I removed the other person from the email because they're not on the lease, so my communication is directly with you. Um but what are some of the solutions that you wanted me to bring? Like, what did you want to talk about? And then I was like, pull me back in right now. Baby, put me back in. Because this man has the audacity to remove, like, also when I was talking with him, it was a very different tone from what Diane said that her interaction with him was. I'm not gonna lie, he did look like he had his tail between his cheeks when I was talking to him. Yeah. I was just chill the entire time. Anyway, he Diane has me back, and then he was like, he is an unauthorized guest. It's like, motherfucker, every person that comes through this building has a guest. If you go to a pool, that's an authorized guest. I am an authorized guest.
SPEAKER_00I came over. Like, what? Am I just not allowed to be there?
SPEAKER_04Exactly. He starts trying to pull some fast ones over here, and eventually he was like, I'm not looping in my manager or my supervisor. Wow. And what? He basically goes back on what he said, and then also he said, When your unauthorized guest cornered me and threatened me with legal, um legal action, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, my brother in Christ, there's no corner to corner you in. Yeah. And also, I didn't threaten you. I said, I want to prevent this from going anywhere. Yeah. So is there any way that we can amicably figure this out because this has been going on for too long?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So yeah, you weren't threatening when it's like, this is the only thing that I can do, right? Because no one else will do anything.
SPEAKER_04And this shisty little fuck, literally, in in in in the emails, he's not addressing the story that he told Diane about the 10th employee or the 10th agency. He's not addressing a damn thing. He's just asking, What do you want?
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_04And also, he literally was like, yo, I don't want to move somebody in.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I don't know what screams guilty as fuck outside of that. Yeah. You're literally omitting from talking about something that you literally lied to, presumably to my girlfriend, about what the situation was. You brushed it off and said, Why would you leave the door unlocked? And said, What did you want me to do? What do you want me to do? Instead of trying to find a solution. Safety is compromise, Roger Brother in Christ. Yeah. Do something. And also, like, eventually, uh yesterday, like it was going back and forth, back and forth. I did the whole thing again, you know. Uh, do you have a directory? CEO. Token back to the code. Yeah, CEO. You mean the CEO? Token back to Sarah Jones. There, she's not the C is not the CEO. She's a property manager, but I guess in their little system, it sounded like I said this person's name. So like, hey Sarah, Justin, do you remember me from last week? Hey, so here's the situation. We got this email. Um, there were some more things that happened. Can you help us out here? Like, can you give me another contact? Can we email you the conversation that we? Can have it with our community manager over here. And is there someone that you can reach out to? Like, I know this is out of your network right now, but this situation is like it's taking a toll on us.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Fucking Michael Jordan, MVP over the city. She came through. Bro, oh fuck, she came through, bro. Bro, like she took all of our emails, read over everything, and we emailed her, and then she got in touch with the regional manager for this property in Atlanta.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04We got help from the Carolinas, bro.
SPEAKER_00There you go. Yes, sweet Carolina.
SPEAKER_04Sweet Caroline, bro.
SPEAKER_00Sweet Carolina girls.
SPEAKER_04Basically, the regional manager contacted Diane. And my this is what kind of chapped my ass again because she was like, I have three days that are available for, you know, so we can have some time to discuss the situation. It's like, safety, my dude. Yeah. This is a fucking important matter. Like, I don't know if whoever the hell did this has done this before. I don't know if there's cameras in this apartment. I don't know if someone's been.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there really should be. If something like this can happen, then there should be at least like kind of a even a poor angle of a camera, like to get like the hallway.
SPEAKER_04Bro, I'm talking, I don't know if whoever the hell's been doing this is freaky enough to leave cameras inside Diane's apartment.
SPEAKER_00Oh, well, yeah, man. Because what you they get in, yeah, anything's possible.
SPEAKER_04Exactly. Cameras or anything that's weird. And this community manager, they'll say he's a little freak. He's a little fucking weirdo. All right. He'll straight up. He gives, he like, for someone that is just seeming so guilty as if he has something to hide. It's like, I don't know what he is trying to hide from. Yeah. Trying not to let out, but he he's he's just looking shisty as hell. You know? Yeah. But it's like whoever, if it was him or anyone, we like I understand now whenever some people say that you know our mental health is compromised, and like there are some people that use that in court and try to, you know weaponize it to gain some leverage out of it when they are just saying that because it's a valid reason to use. Yeah. But literally, bro, it got to a point where me and Diane were in the apartment where it was like a camera could be in those vents, like even in her bathroom, bro. Like there's a closet in there, and that's where like, you know, shower and shit. It's like, yeah, okay, it just feels fucking weird, you know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_04Like it was it's just like you guys do a little sweep, a baby one. But we did set up a camera, and then like, you know, at least we have something there just in case someone tries to like a ring camera. Uh dude, I'm sorry, I want to get her a ring camera, like a really good one. That's like a multi-camera thing. Yeah, dude. But the thing is, she has a furbo.
SPEAKER_00Furbo?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's like a it's like a camera for your dog. So basically, like it shoots out it shoots out treats for Cooper.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, I've seen those. Dang, okay. Let's go, Diane. That's yeah, that's cool.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. We set that up. Um, you know, where she had all of her barn or the little liquor and everything? Yeah, we put that over there because it gives us a clear view of the door. Yeah. And the thing about Cooper is Cooper will literally show a burglar where the goods are. He's such a sweet dog. Yeah. Like, oh, you're looking for the jewelry? Well, come on here, man. Like, he's a sweetest slow pump, he'll lick you to death.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_04In terms of an intruder and shit like that, he ain't he ain't the guard dog, you know?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04So, yeah. Like, we set it up over there just, I mean, for our own peace of mind, but also like it's still like the unit itself is kind of uncomfortable, you know? So, anyway, regional manager reaches out, gives Diane three different options, time frames to talk about it. It's like, I was on the phone with Diane, I was like, what's the soonest one? Pick that one. And also, like, I don't know, we we were talking earlier, I was just like, hey, your safety is not a priority here. I think you have to let them be known that your safety is a priority. And after that conversation that you both have, she needs to go collect evidence from our community manager or whoever else from there, fantastic. At the end, at the end of the business day, we want updates, we want to know what the solution is. Yeah. If you're gonna tell me to wait until Tuesday, no dog. You just you don't care about my safety enough, you don't care about my girlfriend's safety enough, you don't care about your resident safety enough.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You send over here, like, that's uh inconvenience for me. It's like you chose this life, you know, you chose this job.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, dude. Well, and like you said, man, it's a totally a possibility that somebody knew she lived there. No, you know, they knew that she lived, she's the only, you know, a person on the lease. You're there a lot, but it's like that she's she lives there alone, you know, for the most part, and had staked her out. Maybe they did see you leave, type of thing, where it's like you can't discount any of that. And um, the fact that he's just brushing it off, you know, I will always love Atlanta. That's like with the with the car break and stuff.
SPEAKER_04Bro, we literally watched someone do it. You you watch someone do it at her house, her area, it's a it's a luxury apartment company.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_04No, wait, you're about to tell me. Bro, I mean, also that street that she lives on, yeah, all kinds of fuck rehappens, bro. We've woken up in the middle of the night, so like we literally woke up in the middle of the night because we heard a girl screaming bloody murder outside, outside of her apartment, yeah, and then we hop in my car to circle the complex. So we're just like, yo, does someone need help? Does someone like what a situation? Yeah, and struggling on the ground. Like the other night, we heard like a mom trying to stop her son from fighting someone, and this dude's just screaming all kinds of obscenities. I'm gonna fuck this motherfucker up. I'm gonna like, and she's like, no, son, son, you can't do it. Like, yeah, there's shit going down all the time at on that street, bro.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, out in her patio, you like even me, like even being as deaf as I am, like you feel you feel pretty connected to the sidewalk. You know, it's like she's up from it, like you're you're secure from the sidewalk, but you still like you feel just like immersed by it, maybe because of how the street is or something, like 100%.
SPEAKER_04But also, everything's within a close proximity, you know, like everyone could hear everything that goes on outside, you know. But the condition of how the activity is, but the conditions of how the activities are around where she lives, it's like why is this an additional thing that we have to worry about? Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_00And it's a that's such a nice place that she lives in, too.
SPEAKER_04It's like I mean, and this is nothing, this is not to knock on. Well, I mean, I don't know if I'm disrespecting the homeless community by saying this. Like, I'm not trying to say that, but it's like there's a lot of homeless people there that are occasionally tweaking out. Yeah, we can hear them having their arguments or literally talking to having their conversations out loud to themselves.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And frankly, like you could ignore it, but even when you ignore something, you can't help but feel a sense of discomfort.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, there's no prejudice in in the situation making you feel uncomfortable. Right. You know, I because Atlanta's really, you know, it's like a miniature in New York and LA, but it's it's still is, you know, a version of it. Right. And that's something that just happens, you know, unfortunately, in LA and New York. Right.
SPEAKER_04And also like, you know, for I really empathize with like someone like Diane, you know. I'm not saying this is because I'm a bias because she's my partner, but also like she's an extremely charming and friendly person.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Most people in most men specifically, they will see that as a see that as something else.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that way. Oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, that's and you know, and like that's why, like, you know, when this community manager handled the situation with her the way that he did, almost condescendingly, like, you got my blood boiling, bro. Like, I was so upset. Yeah, dude. Put it simply, you know, like I was very, very upset with the whole situation. It's like one, you don't imagine if that was your mom living alone over there, or if that was your sister living alone over there. Like someone that you love, or your niece. So like you have someone over there, and you found out that someone trying to break in at the community manager was like, oh, I don't know, you shouldn't.
SPEAKER_00The the fact that you you saw the reality of that possibility too, you're the only one that did. Well, you know, you exactly the the fact that you witnessed the reality of the possible possibility because you saw it start to happen. And the fact that you in your brain, I'm sure if you're like me, you're kicking yourself that you didn't like sprint out of that door. Like, because that's that's I know that that's how I would feel if Bro, I was so pissed and I saw that happen. I I literally would lose sleep because I didn't like try to sprint like to a staircase or something to see. Um it's like, what if the guy knows something? It's like, is he protecting somebody? Or is it this thing I was gonna bring up, yeah, about Atlanta, where it's like, you know, community owners, but like also like store owners, you know, companies that own spaces like parking lots, whatever, like have needed to have this laissez-faire thing about it, about crime in Atlanta. And who who knows why? Maybe it's maybe it's because the and it doesn't even make sense. Like the police, the way the police respond to it, like when when Gaynor's car was broken into, right under our noses. Right. And everyone's waited what, like two hours? Two and a half hours. Two and a half hours for them to get there, right?
SPEAKER_04Um and as crazy is like, you know, I remember when they they said, if you want them to rush, you tell them you feel threatened, you scare.
SPEAKER_00It's crazy. That the bouncers given us uh lies to tell the cops to make them come faster. Right. But then also what he what the bouncer said really pissed me off when he was like, No, dude, you gotta leave your car unlocked so that they they'll get in and they see that you don't have a gun or money. And I'm like, that's that's not the point. That is not what we need to do.
SPEAKER_04You shouldn't have you should not have to feel like you need to cater towards a broken system and also I hate to say it, thieves and all these motherfuckers that are out here trying to steal your hard-earned things. Like, if you break into someone's cars and you steal shit, great. But also now, look, like I remember when I got my car broken, so I had to wait two and a half hours. I had just gotten it. Remember that? Yeah, yeah. Same ordeal. Like, I have to pay for a new window. It was in a you feel so violated.
SPEAKER_00It was in a closed-in parking lot, right?
SPEAKER_04It was in a closed-in parking garage right by Del Bar in Inden Park where all of these type of things happen.
SPEAKER_00It's like right where I expected it to happen. Oh no, it happened. No, but it's closed in, right? It was in, was it like a uh like a paid-appark thing where you there's like a gate arm or something?
SPEAKER_04No, but it that happens in there too. Yeah, yeah, people just swoop right underneath and they just like break in. Like when it happened at Diane's apartment, she had just moved in and we're hanging out on the patio. We're seeing this dude literally like doing something by someone's window, and then we see him dive in and we see his white sneakers just dangling out of their window, and we're just like, oh, this dude's breaking into his car.
SPEAKER_00Right at her window, you said something?
SPEAKER_04Right? No, we're on our patio.
SPEAKER_00Oh, no, I'm patio.
SPEAKER_04And like, we're literally watching this guy do his thing.
SPEAKER_00How far away? Like, how far would you say it was?
SPEAKER_04Bro, less than like less than 40 feet away. Wow. We're just getting an aero view, and thank God there's a tree right in front of her spot. Yeah. Cause Lily, we just watched this shit unfold, and we're just having our glass of wine. And I like, you know, recorded some of it on my phone, but at the same time, it's like you oh, you got some on your phone. Yeah, but it's like my thing is the police don't care. Yeah, the police straight up told me when I got my shit broken, is like e they're probably a bunch of young kids stealing stuff, they're gonna get booked and they're just gonna go right back out. Yeah, basically more.
SPEAKER_00We don't even want to make the trouble.
SPEAKER_04Right. Yeah. It's more of a hassle for them. And I hate, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to bash the system here, but if someone comes up to me and says it's more work to get them in and then to deal with it, like I don't care. Yeah, do it. I don't care how many times you gotta bring them in, and I don't care how many times it is, and I don't care how annoying it is. It's a part of your job. A lot of jobs have annoying parts to it, and you chose this life. It makes me feel safe.
SPEAKER_00What I mean there's always been crime in a place like Atlanta. Atlanta's been like a major city for a while. I just don't know what what's happening right now where they're like, care less. We need to care less about crime in this in the city, like concentrate it more so in the downtown area. And as you get further away from downtown, you can care a little bit more about it. But right, but but even in the Buckhead area, like I remember like a few years ago, people in Buckhead were like wanting to make it themselves right, like as their own city, right? Yeah, did you hear that? Yeah, like a guy was jogging in Buckhead and it was just a drive-by, someone shot him, and uh yeah, he was laying there on the sidewalk, he called the cops. I think, I think his 911 call is uh I wish I had like a tech guy to pull stuff up. Um uh well, you know, when we're saying this to to fact check me, but right. Um I think his audio is is on the internet of the call. But I don't know. She was kind of she was dicking her, she was beating around the bush or something. She, the person on the call, she was like, Where are you again? She was like, and how long can you wait? You know, like just kind of like giving himself and he's like, I'm I was shot. I've I have a gunshot wound. I'm here in where I live in my neighborhood in Buckhead. Right. And he had to reiterate that he was he was shot. And he's just on there on the ground. I think, I think he's okay, but I I yeah, I'll need to fact-check all of that. But he yeah, but it was in Buckhead where this happened.
SPEAKER_04But when you hear things like this, it's like, at what point do we just take matters into our own hands? Are we all gonna have to turn into our own vigilantes here? Because the government, and I'm not saying this about you know, police or the military or anything, I am grateful. You know, I love the service that they provide. I love that they're willing to do that. Yeah. But my thing is, why does safety and all these, I mean, I get it, there's a hierarchy hierarchy of protocols and you know, principles that they have to follow based on the severity of everything.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_04But if you're telling me, like, yo, I got my car broken into. I'm obviously not in the greatest area of the world. And like, yeah, there's people out here partying right next to me. But someone among us is a thief, yeah. Potentially be harming other people, could potentially have all kinds of other things going on in their list of actions for the night. And you're telling me you have to wait two hours because you think it's just a bunch of kids are trying to steal something? No, dude. Like, unless you want me to go out and be like, hey, someone amongst us is a fucking rat. Yeah, they broke into our car. Look around. Look fucking, we roll at dawn. Yeah. Like, do you want me to fucking do this shit?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know. Well, in kind of like with their approach to it, with their lazy, I don't care approach to it, they're kind of forcing you to be like to have that as an option. Because the did you hear that story about the it was somewhere in maybe it was West Midtown or I don't I don't remember where it was, maybe south. Um, there was like a um a valet that like walked up on it and they shot him and killed him because he saw them do it. Right. And so then what's what is the so would the police really be upset if you had if you were strapped and then you did an old old Western draw on them and fucking shot them all? And would you get in trouble for that for saving your life?
SPEAKER_04You probably get in trouble for having a weapon, yeah. Of course.
SPEAKER_00So what if it's like when did the system in Atlanta start to be this way?
SPEAKER_04Right. Um like I don't feel comfortable with I I would never want my parents or my brother, I mean I don't want them to ever come to Atlanta because like or if they're by themselves. Yeah. Like the idea of because we know these fucking cowards will prey on whoever they think is weak. Yeah, especially the literally, you know, seemingly weaker people. Our parents are older. Yeah, you know, if something were to happen because someone decided to, you know, pistol whip my mom or my dad or try to steal them, dude. Like, bro, hell hath no function.
SPEAKER_00Like it'll probably happen fast too. Like these guys, yeah. Right. If something happens like that, it it's like all about being swift in a big city, you know. Right.
SPEAKER_04And I'll be like, like I said, I'm not trying to shit on security guards or that, but like I want people to feel like they are being watched in some of these public places. I want to know, like, you know, hey, we can't do bad shit over here because someone's gonna get us.
SPEAKER_00There's there's nothing wrong with making people afraid to break the law in in like a I'm harming you type of way. No. Because obviously, some there are some laws to this day that are still messed up, like marijuana laws and things like that. Yeah, uh, and it's being decriminalized, all that stuff. So things are moving in a good direction, but harming another person crime. Right. You that's crazy to think that there's something problematic with making people afraid to harm to do wrong to another person.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_04Um you should be able to respect the rules. I like the laws of the law. Some of some of this shit's really fucked. Like, you know, marijuana, like you're gonna prioritize making your entire, you know, county sheriff's office look at you and be like, oh wow, he got a really big bust over here. Well, dude, like our neighbor just died because someone lit him up because yeah, he went across the street to walk his dog and they saw him as a weak target and they're gonna light him up, but you're over here clapping about the fact that you had a huge drug bust. Yeah, slob on my knob, baby.
SPEAKER_00You yeah, pulled someone over and they had over an ounce, so you got you, so you you got to take them in.
SPEAKER_04Or you get you're pulling someone over because they didn't come to a full stop, they just came to a rolling.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, they rolled through a stop sign. Yeah, there's camera footage on that. What's that Instagram page? The maybe I shouldn't plug them on this. The about Atlanta, you know, that's like the more popular one. Yeah, and there's like cam, there's videos of people breaking into cars on that one of like hit and runs too. Literally, bro. Nothing will ever be done about those people. The the footage is out there, and thousands of people see that, and they'll never get in trouble. Yeah, yeah, we can't roll through a stop sign.
SPEAKER_04No, like potholes. You could stop, but you can't you can't like do one of these. Yeah, you gotta be like, and it's like my brother, we're we are in the cut. You're pulling me over because I stopped, I didn't stop long enough. Yeah, get the fuck out of my face.
SPEAKER_00Man, it's there's a there's a lot that should be illegal, man. But that's what I'll do when I'm gonna do it. But you're right.
SPEAKER_04It's like, you know, why should people should not feel comfortable? Like, I I don't know, maybe this is maybe this is age cash out to go. I'm just like, I hate the idea of being like, oh yeah, yeah, he's uh he's really chill. That that cop is really chill. Unless he's my friend, I should not be saying that is really chill.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I guess it helps, like it helps to to it helps to know something. Like, especially with the cop sentiments like in the past five years. Right. Um, I think you know, it does help to like those, you know, those videos you see of like cops going through uh lower income neighborhoods, and these kids be playing basketball, and he'll be like, whoa, whoa, what's going on here? And he'll take basketball and he'll play with them. You know, it's like a yeah, uh that's cute lighthearted video, and that's cool, but no, you're right. Yeah, it's not like somebody's like, hey, I don't do shit, I'm just here, you know, to look the part. Right.
SPEAKER_04And also, like, I'll say contrary to popular belief, I feel like this may be you know maturing and seeing things in a different light. Remember that whole situation that happened at Johnny's a couple years ago with our good friend. I would love to see that kind of law enforcement and that kind of you know strict, like tenacious nature in all aspects of security.
SPEAKER_00Getting after, yeah, getting after someone who fucking like broke into these cars. Right in the foot chase almost bro, almost got into Diane's apartment. Like that's oh man. I and I when I man, when you guys were telling me that story and I was drinking, I was feeling, I was feeling the and I wasn't even there. I was feeling like the second hand, like, man, I wish I ran after that guy. Right. Fucking, I mean, he could have been armed. So that was.
SPEAKER_04Or even like worse kind of stuff. What if I wasn't there and yeah, this cat just thought that it was Diane in there, right? Like, I'm from Illinois. I lived in the hoods. Yeah, I also live in Tallahassee where things are not the greatest, but you know, we get by. Yeah, it's too pain. Right. But like the possibility of someone trying to kidnap her or you know, sex trafficking is a fucking thing out here. Like, yeah, Atlanta, yeah. Like, you're gonna find the most vulnerable per person here. Like, you know, it's like, dude, I would do unspeakable things to people.
SPEAKER_00Is Diane you and you you don't have to answer this on recording? Is Diane strapped? Is she no? I mean, yeah, but not not many people are that probably should be, you know, but but they also don't it it shouldn't be a thing that they need to be.
SPEAKER_04The thing about something I've come into learn about, you know, someone like Diane, there's a lot of people like her where it's like, you know, you see the world as a fun playground and you tune out the negative stuff because sometimes it's just too hard to bear and hard to really consider a lot. Yeah, yeah. And you know, you just accept everything as is and you're extremely forgiving. Like, you know, you're like a suicidal empath.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And it's like it's a beautiful, beautiful trait to carry and have that embedded in your personality diagram. But that's very dangerous because you're very vulnerable. You're someone that someone could easily manipulate, someone could take advantage of, someone can literally assume the worst because of your interaction with them. Kindness is always taken for granted by the weakest people, you know? Man. I'm sorry, the weak people take advantage of kindness all the time.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like, I like how you said that the the weak people take advantage of it because society wants us to think that the the empathetic people are weak. Man, yeah, we we have the same, we have the same language about how we look at some of this stuff. What makes somebody like have integrity or like the type of person that they are.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00Especially when it comes to men, but you know. You're you're a sweet good person too. Like you're you have a lot of empathy too. And I I hate that in our society, yes, it's a good thing that we want men to be that way, to have that, or at least to understand the capacity of that. But then we tell women not to because they'll they'll be targets. Right. So the sentiment is good because we want them to be safe, but we shouldn't like I hate we have to do that because empathetic people, you know, like especially empathetic women, like in my life, like you know, some of the best people to to have existed, you know. Right. And it's like I hate that that's something that there's always gonna be evil, I guess. There's always gonna be bad people, right? It's something that could be taken advantage of. It's just very um it's very messed up. Right.
SPEAKER_04Um I mean, honestly and truly speaking, like in the grand scheme of like, you know, uh empathy and strong strength, like yeah, in my generation, and also I'm gonna speak for myself specifically, like the strongest people in my life and have had the most influence on influence, influence, influence on me have been because I've had like a lot of female friends and also just female people that were just that held a lot more space for me than men did growing up. Yeah, you know, because like a lot of dudes were just always trying to showboat and constantly, you know, trying to peacock and do all these like weird things like bro, like why not just exist? Like, you know, whatever society, progressive nature, societal norms are it is what it is. But like the way that everything is today though, like I feel like I don't know, I feel like growing up, especially in my 20s too, we threw around mental health as a fun buzzword that social media made it to like a you know something just you can just use casually, like the way you throw around the word, the way you throw around the word love, right? Yeah, that's what mental health is right now, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But like me as a man, like I don't know if you've experienced this, but like whenever you try to be more of a truthful version of who you are, like the kind of man that you want to be, have the boundaries that you have, not partake in certain things. Like the more you try to be better and be more of who you want to be, the more society and more people around you start to judge you more harshly, as if trying to do better or be better is a it's not fun. Yeah, it's weird, it's off-putting. Yeah, I mean, it's like you trying to do better is making somebody else that is not actively participating in that same program uncomfortable. Yeah, that shit's fucking weird.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I just I you know I'm trying to think of how to articulate this. I you know, I also think too, like the way that I with the way that I grew up, the way that I like kind of formed myself as a person, like I think I relied too much on on help. But I also I I prize that I prize help so much in any situation that you can get it. Right. Because you you get help for something that you don't understand or know from someone that does, priceless. It's like um, you know, the the best thing that'll happen to you that day, like if if something can somebody can help you with that, you know. Um, but we we look down at like not knowing certain things, right? Like, oh, you seem like less manly, like weaker, like less smart or something. Like if you don't know how to cook such and such or do such and such with your car, like and the more generations go by, like the less people know these practical things. Right. Um, like there's some I gotta study up on how to change a tire. Like, I I haven't the there's information about that that like I'm sure I could do it, but like I need to brush up on it. I haven't done it ever.
SPEAKER_04And you get scrutinized for not knowing it right now, just so you just so you know. I got scrutinized like a motherfucker like three months ago because I've never done it, but it's things you can easily learn.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. There's YouTube videos out there now, like how to do this and that, whatever you can learn it. But right, like people don't, for some reason, I feel like people don't like sharing like the thing, the the keys to success for things. Yeah. Um no one's gatekeeping, yeah. That's that's the word that I that I should have just said to condense all this. Gatekeeping like crazy. Right. And you don't know these things, and like I I feel like that's why high school, even into college a little bit, like I I just like didn't understand like good fashion, like I didn't understand like just yeah, just like practical things. It's like I feel like I dressed okay, but um little things that are like in that like you should be doing, like I even like even like things you know, for like in terms of vocal coaching, like singing or acting or things like that, it's like there's little things, little nuggets that you could pay someone to maybe not even give you. Right. You don't even know what those things are until you kind of realize at some point the light bulb clicks on for you, and you're like, this is such an easy general idea of how to sort of um streamline this, right? And why did no one say this, you know, to me years ago? Yeah, so uh it's it's crazy. Yeah, the gatekeeping is crazy just in life.
SPEAKER_04Um I mean, it's true, even in our industry, bro. Like, you know how many times you might run into someone who's like gatekeeping information about, you know, just trying to get. I feel like sometimes people are just like, yo, this is my precious. This is information that's only for me because if you get it, I'm afraid that you might get ahead of me. I'm afraid you might take something away from me. It's like, yeah, you're a fucking weezer, bro.
SPEAKER_00That's crazy. The whole competition thing in this industry, it's like I understand it and I can get affected by it when other people try to enforce it. Because it's it's hard, it's almost impossible. You can't you can't not be affected by it. But it doesn't even make sense. Like I came to a realization of if someone looks exactly like me and we're up for the same role, there's not technically speaking, I guess it's a relative, like how you look at it, but technically speaking, there's not there's not really a competition going on. Right. It's down between me and him for this role. It's not even a competition because there's not a quantifiable answer that you're finding. Right. I, you know, it's not like I ran faster than him and the track meet, or or it's not like he of of getting all the answers right in the audition. It's not like he scored a 99 and I scored a 95. It's not like that. It comes down to like the nuances of what you are, you know, as an actor and everything. And it came down to it where they almost picked you, but their vision just was more clear with the other person. That does not mean that you lost anything at all. Right. Uh, and I've told people like with singing, with acting, things like that, if you look at it like football, which a lot of people do, which our country is like obsessed with making everything like politics, like everything, they want to make everything like a football game.
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SPEAKER_00And it's so it's so stupid. It's like that's so harmful for us as people mentally. Uh but if if you look at it like it's someone else who's up for this role is like the wide, is like the cornerback or whatever, uh, you're a wide receiver and you're going for a pass to make this catch to score, and somebody, somebody's out there trying to intercept it from you. Someone's like ready to tackle you when you catch it, or someone's about to take it out of the air. Uh, the arts doesn't, it doesn't work that way. You're you run out for the pass by yourself. There's no one out there to get in your way because everything that you need to succeed is internal. Yeah. And so if so somebody could make you miss the pass, but they would be on the sidelines yelling at you, be like, miss it, miss it, miss it. And then they, you know, like Happy Goldmore, like, you've seen that? Absolutely. The guy's like, you will miss this putt, you jackass. And he's not, he's not running out there like tapping the ball away, he's just yelling it. And when that gets in your head, if that affects you, if that keeps you from winning it, then that's that's more of a you problem. Yeah. But it's it, but you know, people prey on it because it's on that, because it's so easy to be affected by that. Right. Because we're especially if you're empathetic, you let yourself be affected by people trying to get in your head. So, but if people have that realization, I feel like, that it's hey, it's like you're running out for a pass, but no one's there to steal it from you. Right. They're all on the sideline. It's like all you gotta do is just lock in. I feel like the most professional people are the most people that the people that work the most kind of get that.
SPEAKER_04100%. Because I think also I learned this back during the uh during my Ash era. I was because I'm pretty sure everyone in within my circle, my guys, my family, guys know what was going on there. Yeah. But something that I I just could not wrap my mind around someone being upset that even I was auditioning about for certain jobs, or someone getting upset that I got a job. And I had to really sit there and do a deep dive. And I think you and I touched on this last summer because we were like just in our own, you know, pool of shit about our feelings about the industry. Yeah, right. It's like if someone else gets a job that we wanted and we feel something, it's not that we have anything felt towards that person or the individual for getting the job.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04We are just upset that we are not actively doing what we want to do.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_04It's literally nothing against the decision makers, nothing against the actor that got the job that we went in for too. It's like, damn, I just wish that I was doing that or doing something within the same realm right now.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like, I'm glad that you got the job. I'm sad that I don't have a job. Yeah, that's literally it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I mean, the strike started in July of 23 and it the ripple effects are still here. Like we're coming out of it, but it's still here. And so what sucks, like, because that it's historic, so it's even it's in the news. Yeah, you can, you know, over the past couple years, if someone's like, What did you give up on acting? Like, why don't you do anything? Which people shouldn't be saying that shit, but they do. Every a lot of people do, uh. And they don't stick it to you.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no. Like you just reminded me of something yesterday at the the event at Umbrella Bar.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I'm sorry, I couldn't make it out to that.
SPEAKER_04I probably should, but so good. Victor was there, Jazz was there.
SPEAKER_00Oh, Victor was there in the middle.
SPEAKER_04It's a family reunion. Yeah, he's got a girlfriend now. Uh BDB, that was his B remaining. BDB. But there's this one guy. I think it's within my Indian community, where sometimes everyone just wants to lex. I don't know. He brought over this him, he's there with his chick. I guess he was trying to look really, really cool. He's like, it's a little condescending. He's like, Oh, yeah, you're you're an actor, right? And nothing against any platform that you have your work on.
SPEAKER_00This this was just a random guy, you said?
SPEAKER_04Not a random guy. He's one of uh the owner's brands. Oh, oh. And uh I'm not the biggest fan of him. He's kind of just like this really insecure, ingenuine, just he shouldn't be cocky, but he's cocky.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Anyway, he's just he was just I don't know, he was being a little starky to me. He was like, Yeah, so how's acting been doing? Uh yeah, and then he pulls the girl, like, yo, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's an actor. Yeah, you so uh what'd you say? You had some things on uh YouTube? Yeah, that's where your movies are? You are your movies on YouTube? I was like, what, dude? I yo, nothing against it. I'm glad it wasn't there now.
SPEAKER_00I would have spun on a guy.
SPEAKER_04Like, yo, I was just like, are you a cartoon character? Like, and also like it was the way he was asking, he was like, Your your moves are on like uh are on YouTube? I was like, no, actually, um, I have a few movies on Amazon Prime uh that I was fortunate enough to be a part of, and some, you know, I guess you can call them smaller bit parts from TV shows on Netflix. Yeah, yeah. Uh you probably see some, you know, my earlier work that I did on YouTube if you wanted to. But yeah, and and then his tune completely changed because the girl was like, ooh, what was the stuff on Amazon and Netflix? I would love to see it. What kind of stuff? Oh my god, it's so great. I'm so happy for you. I'm like, I appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, the industry is different. I'm on a I am actively doing a different side quest to obviously keep the income coming in too. I couldn't eat, you know. Also, those are moments I really, really relish and savor. Come it's like you tried to be an asshole and you tried to make me look like a fucking joke with the way that you were talking about me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And instead, I made you look like the fucking asshole, dumbass that you are. Yeah. You know, it's like, don't come at me like that, bro.
SPEAKER_00It's man, it's like that's I, you know, circling back to you calling people weak, like for because you should, like, there are particular people that you should call weak because they are weak. I hate that they're supported by our society, like things that we think are attractive or strong in our society. Some of the weakest people kind of try and feed off of that, uh, mostly men. Toxic men are terrible, like, you know, I was one of those guys years ago that heard, you know, toxic masculinity and was offended by it because it because I I didn't understand, I didn't know what the sentiment was. Like, yeah, that's why things like um like you know, Black Lives Matter and things like that. It's like you hear when you hear a title, like don't just react from you, you know, from what you think it means. Right. That's so that's so weird, man. Well, I understand what it means. It's like men sh men should care the most about toxicity in the men culture, in the masculine culture.
SPEAKER_04100%.
SPEAKER_00Um, you know, being a upstanding person, like being sub being empathetic, that that makes you a man, you know. When I hear people put it that way, guys like what you just described, this this guy that you described is probably how old would you say he is?
SPEAKER_04Bro, this fucker was 40.
SPEAKER_00Man, that's that's crazy that someone, because you you think about like the human brain, and someone is uh has life experience for 40 years, it's sad that they are so entrenched in like the toxic parts of our society of like what we think is good. You know, it might be this whole um Judy was talking about, there's like a there's a thing of like addiction with um uh revenge. Yeah. And if you had a shitty life, I man, when you think about it, it makes sense. And you think about particular people too. Yeah, you had a shitty life, or if you were kind of nerdy in high school, or if you, you know, or if you just weren't popular in high school, which I was not, and then you get to a point in your life where like, damn, you're like, my parents made me go to uh, you know, study law in school, or like maybe uh like we know probably we both know tons of people who were like forced to do medical stuff because their parents like had expectations of them. And uh they come out of that stuff and they get a a job that pays incredibly, and then they're like, fuck these losers. Like, I'm gonna flex on everybody, like I'm gonna buy a Ferrari so everyone knows what I'm balling now, like societal validation, you know, constantly pursuing that. And they they had now have revenge on like society, on everyone in their inner circle, and they want everyone to know. And that's why you see midlife crisis, crisis eye, crisis eye. Um what's the plural that uh crisis is? Yeah, it's whatever. Someone with a midlife crisis. You see an i I'm starting to see quarter life crisis, crisis eye now. Crise eye now. Uh people with a quarter life crisis. Um nuts, man. It's like you had you are so hellbent on revenge, and I get it, man. Our society, everything it's so toxic, it's more and more toxic as as generations.
SPEAKER_04Also, I think there's I think there's toxicity on both sides, you know? Like, because we were talking about you and I were talking about this the other day when we were walking around Midtown, like, you know, the stuff that we're promoting and reinforcing to society is what is what's healthy, what's attractive, what's acceptable. And it's like, hold up. All the things that we just talked about are a form of validation, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04But the most important one when it comes to health, we're not putting a lot of value on that. Yeah. But society puts so much more value on like you are perfect the way you are by eating five double quarter powders of cheese, a large fry, and a milkshake every day for every meal. Yeah. And as long as you're happy and you take your time for yourself by yourself and you take the time to self-soothe, you are perfect, you are worthy, you are loving. It's like, bro, you're dying.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, we and we talked about this a couple weeks ago uh while I was still sober.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and it's like, you know, yeah. Like I it's just also like it goes in 10 with like, you know, the whole weakness aspects. Like, it's hard to want to do better. It's hard to go to the gym every single freaking day and push the waste when you don't want to. It's hard to do shit when you want, don't want to do it, but that's what's discipline, and discipline is what's gonna build the greatest shit in the world. We put time and effort to things like this.
SPEAKER_00Do you think there's a conspiracy to make us unhealthy? Or do you think it's just happening that way because of like corporate greed and stuff like that?
SPEAKER_04I think I think there is a corporate greed aspect to it because everything I think they is uh everything's rooted in some form of monetary gain. Everything we should do, even podcasting, even drinking out of those cups. There's some form of monetary gain, but also it's what influence. Influence and inspiration are the things that move us and make help make the decisions that we make, you know. Also, yeah, influence, inspiration, and information. Those are three key drivers that change that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, get out your pens and papers, ladies and gentlemen. Right.
SPEAKER_04Those are the things that make us who we are, yeah. Literally day-to-day, how we carry ourselves. From remember when you say I had no sense of fashion, I had no sense of blah, blah, blah when I was a kid, but it's like you are a representation of the things that you care about. So when you pull up your phone and you get your advertising, like, yeah, there's a rhythm to the algorithm there, bro. Like if you're thinking about, you know, trying to get six-pack abs and you want to look good, a lot of things on your feet are gonna be all these jacked-ass motherfuckers. If you're going through a season when you're horny as hell and you're going through some weird era shit, you're gonna look at your for you page and be like, what's going on here?
SPEAKER_00Man, the the fact that there's a joke about that on SNL. Did you see that the there's like a clip? Do you know what please don't destroy is? No, actually, very funny. There's a one about seltzers. You guys see it, it's hilarious. But they they made a video like hanging out with friends and the yeah, I guess to credit them, yeah. Uh, shout out. This this episode is sponsored by Please Don't Destroy. No, it's cool.
SPEAKER_04Um please send us money.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no. Uh yeah, where they is like everyone's hanging out, and the girls are like, Oh, look at my explore page. It's you know, and they're like asking the guys, and the guys are like, you know, I don't have that app. It's like uh whatever. Let's not look at mine. It's not but but it's crazy. I was talking to my my buddy Tim about this. Man, Tim and Tim's awesome.
SPEAKER_04Um shout out to Tim.
SPEAKER_00So what?
SPEAKER_04Shout out to Tim.
SPEAKER_00Shout out to Tim, man. Tim Daigle. That's it's that mostly, but it really, I guess it's everything. But yeah, dude, if you go through a season, yeah, where you like on Instagram where maybe like you follow one person that's like uh, you know, yeah, or or you just look at something like once in terms of like sexual things, like or just like women, like if you yeah, you go through a season where you look at something like that, you follow somebody, it will flood you with it. There's and it's intense. It's it's like it no when you're yes, it is it yeah, it because we've both been through seasons like that, so we know what we're talking about. Not saying that it's happening right here.
SPEAKER_04Or if you're like supporting your help, your friends that are going to like a healthy hoe phase, yeah, and they're posting out you know certain photos, but you're you're liking the photo because of the caption underneath it because they're a genuine friend. Yeah, and all of a sudden your four-you've page is just flooded with all this stuff that like you're just like if I'm giving my phone to someone so they put their Instagram in, I hope they don't look beneath the search bar because that's fucking weird, you know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, don't look at that. Yeah, I mean, it'll it'll it'll it's so hard to undo too. Yeah. I like I'm you know went through a phase like that, whatever, it was flooded, everything was like, you know, hypersexualized, and and I was like, and I noticed you, and you notice too, you feel like I'm not actually looking at this stuff, right? Yet it is feeding it to me still, right? And so I I did an experiment with it, and I was like, let me just see how long it takes. I looked up and I tried to make it as far away as I could. I looked, I went to like Pokemon pages. There were like uh Pikachu artwork, it was like things that like were so so far away from that, even though now fucking Pokemon is sexualized, which is crazy. Like there, there are certain Pokemon that people sexualize.
SPEAKER_04Bro, sex sells the best.
SPEAKER_00And yeah, the Pokemon company just this is bonkers. This is nuts. The whole fan base was like, what are you doing? They make plushes all the time, they make stuffed animals all the time. Obviously, it's Pokemon, it's the one of the biggest franchises, longest, most successful franchises. They came out with a line of uh life size. In terms of the Pokemon that are sexualized, there's only one missing. There's like four or five that are that are sexualized in the community, in the Pokemon community. Yeah, they made not like almost all of them life size, like life size plushes. And they didn't do that to many others. Like there's there's over a thousand Pokemon, right? And they made like, I don't know, like eight or nine life size, yeah, all at the same time. Over half of those are hypersexualized. So the fan base was like, What are you doing? You know that scene at the end of Robert Pattinson's Batman, where Batman's in in Arkham or whatever, and the the the the a Pokemon page made this meme video where the the Riddler is in jail and Batman, Robert Pattons' Batman is outside. He's like, What did you do? And he's like, Oh man, and Batman's like, what did you do? He's like banging on the glass, he's like, What did you do? Right, and the meme was like Batman is Pokemon fans, yeah, and the Pokemon company is the Riddler, and he's like putting out these life-sized life-sized things that I guess people are just gonna not leave their house now if you love uh fucking Lucario, right?
SPEAKER_04Dude, what is what is what are corporations and also like what what the hell is going on with the world?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like society, the way that people talk about like like why is everything so oversexualized? Why is a rhythm to the algorithm there to bring you to your downfall? Why are more and more people becoming weak in their morals, their ethics, their views about everything? Like you can't you can't talk about anything unless you're you can't be a truthful version of your you remember what fucking happened like two weeks ago, man. Like the moment you express an opinion that's different than somebody else's.
SPEAKER_00You mean at the restaurant?
SPEAKER_04Yes, bro. Like, I mean, some of that stuff is still foggy me, but like, you know Oh, it's fogging me too.
SPEAKER_00But I I at least understand how like Horseshit it was.
SPEAKER_04Well, why? Why are there life-size fucking Pokemon?
SPEAKER_00I just that the one and the specifically the ones that are sexualized. You could do anything. They didn't make a life-size Pikachu. I there there probably is one, but in that line, they didn't make like the the most famous ones. Yeah. Like they why not? These the ones that are sexualized are kind of obscure too. Like it's yeah. So the fact that you and they tried to hide it, I guess, by putting it all up. But I'm but why even do it though?
SPEAKER_04I mean, think about it this way. Like everything is sexualized in some way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You go to the gym, people are promoting active wear. What are they fucking putting emphasis on, especially for female active wear? Yeah. They're putting they're looking at them cheeks.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04For dudes, it's the upper body, or like wherever like there's a lot of striation, wherever there's a lot more appeal sexually. Not because I mean, rightfully so. Like I want to look good when I'm naked. I want to look good when I'm working out.
SPEAKER_00Yes. And that helps to sell things.
SPEAKER_04It helps you get in the gym too, you know. Like, yo, that's what I'm gonna look like. Yo, fuck you, I'm gonna do this shit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I when I was younger, and I mean, I'm still, you know, I'm I'm still not jacked or anything, but I was younger and see. He sees like I see the vein there. Um, he's like, Yeah, dude. Um, when I was younger and just my arms were just sticks, you know. It's like, and I did all right, I guess, in the dating scene, but um all right, they were just sticks. I did all right in the dating scene when when the pool wasn't so big. Um I would see like I would see an image of someone wearing a t-shirt, and I'd be like, that t-shirt's fucking bomb. But I didn't realize, you know, I feel like we never realize it's like, oh, the the guy in the picture wearing it, like his biceps are pretty big. Right. That makes everything. I we don't realize like when someone is attractive enough, they could be they could have like a Barney book bag, and uh it looks that's a that's a hot Barney book bag, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it looks great. So if you have the right positioning with the right person carrying whatever some you can be walking around with one sock, but you rock in the shadow of that shit and you look good doing it, yeah. Man, it's like yo, that's a fucking trend right there.
SPEAKER_00Man, if I was walking around the like Pleasant Hill down here, um, where all these restaurants are, if I was walking along the side dressed like Wendy from Wendy's, like the restaurant, yeah, probably probably some like you know, they would they would call out like the middle institution would would come pick me up, probably, you know. But that would be the right thing.
SPEAKER_04Most people would be like, yo, listen, live your truth.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, I mean, sure, dude, yeah, people would support people would honk like, yes, Queen. But then someone, you know, would probably because you know, I'm just walking around just dressed like that, and we had the clown scare, you know, so people would would be worried, probably is what they would think. Right. Um, but jazz as Wendy at Dragon Con was bomb, man. But it's like, but he also looks the way he does, right? Like, damn, but yeah, that's why it works. That's why his Ditto cosplay was fucking amazing. Right, right, right, right. What does that that mean? But yeah, no, yeah, man, it's like that's they use this excel. But why does Pokemon need it? Frost plushes, man. You're not you guys aren't hurting, you don't have to turn towards the uh the freaky community to to support you right now, right?
SPEAKER_04Um I mean, look at some of the anime that we watch, like our favorite shows, like the characters in there, like everything is very intentionally made. Yeah, rightfully so. Whatever.
SPEAKER_00You're rightly unrighteous. You've ever seen food wars, who that is? Everybody is jacked, so except for the the the main guy is just an average-sized dude, like not muscular, anything like that. Everyone else, the guys are jacked. Women have huge honkers, um, you know, and like tiny waists and everything. It's all about making the best food, and they have the food, and it's like they it's like sexually euphoric to them, and their clothes fly off, you know. And it's like supposed to be over the top and ridiculous, but it still is the way it is.
SPEAKER_04Um, whoever's listening to this is probably like, yo, I need this shit.
SPEAKER_00And then it's like, what is it called? Food boards? Joku Geki Food Boars that's F-O-O-D. Uh but it's but it's good, it's also good. It's one of those that is a classic, it's a classically good anime, you know? Yeah, yeah. So it's good. Uh I haven't watched that many, but the ones I've seen that are like you're you know renowned, so you watch it for a reason. But it but then yeah, even some that are kind of anime adjacent. Like, have you have you finished Arcane?
SPEAKER_04I'm getting there.
unknownOh man.
SPEAKER_00But are you still at the same place that you that you were?
SPEAKER_04Oh, I got to I'm at the part where uh if you're an anime or arcane fan, you should probably skip this car. But like I'm about to tell something like that.
SPEAKER_00Well, spoil. No, no, yeah, you can say, yeah, because it's spoil it.
SPEAKER_04Up to this point, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I got to the part where Vander has basically he just got healed, but then Jace did some fuck-ass shit. And Vander is like losing his shit. He's going out of his face, he's going on a rampage. Oh my god. And then we'll call her little jinx. Little jinx is over there.
SPEAKER_00You saw the the penultimate of the show, is what I look at it as. Yeah. You ended with six, is the last thing you saw. Yeah, with episode five. Or it's well, it's well, but she but what just happened? What happened at the end of that? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. You saw, you saw, and I don't know why people sleep on that episode. For people that don't care about Arcane, you should, uh, because I'm not telling you to watch it, but it's you have to acknowledge something having merit when I don't give a shit about the the source material. I have never played League of Legends, I've never wanted to play League of Legends. I had a one of my best friends growing up. He was sponsored to play it. Oh, yeah. So I had every he was at one point he was being played to play it. Because he's he's a really amazing gamer. He was like number 16 in the world at Rocket League at one point. Oh wow. Which is well, that's a crazy, crazy, crazy thing to be. It was back when it was all NPC, but yeah, so I I had tons of reasons to like League of Legends, to want to play it, never played it. I don't don't care about it, still don't care about it. Even after Love and Arcane, but then you had to drag me to to watch the first season. Yeah, yeah. I finally watched it and I watched season two. It is some of the best television I've ever seen in my life.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_00And for me to make that claim, it's like, I don't think I'm just crazy. I don't think I just have, I don't think it was an accident that I felt that way about it. You gotta get invested in in it, obviously, with any show, because you know, like my parents are like, watch Yellowstone. I'm like, there's so much of it, and I know it's so intense. I gotta cleanse my palette. I got my palate's gotta be ready for it, type thing. Right, right, right. I got done with Ozark, and I'm like, I don't give me like 10 years, man. Ah, it's like you feel gross almost in a way, like breaking bad. Like, I'm glad there was all that time between breaking bad and Ozark. Yeah, yeah. But I'm like, I don't know if I wanna if I am ready for that right now. But in Arcane, that's a soft reset. People people sleep on that episode because they love the episode right after it. And I understand why. Uh really. I yes, I totally understand why. In terms of the Emmys, if one of the if six or seven wanted an Emmy over the other one, it's gotta be six. Six from the top to the bottom is a work of art. I've seen episode six like four or five times now. To just reassure myself every time I'm like, do you still feel like this is like a masterpiece? And it is. You go back and you can rewatch that episode and find out, see new things about it every single time you watch it. Yeah, have you only seen it once?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
unknownAh, fucked.
SPEAKER_00I would either say to rewatch it before you continue.
SPEAKER_04I will.
SPEAKER_00Or once you're done with the season, then watch it again. There are details in it that are devastating. Little tiny details. Uh like the episode starts with Victor dropping the thing after Jace just fucked him. Uh fucked him up, not like it wasn't sex, killed him, and you don't know why. And you're like, what's what's what is Jace going through right now? The last time you saw him, he and Heimerdinger and and uh Echo were were touching the arcane and then they were teleported away. Uh and now this is what it just happens out of nowhere. It is a fucking utopia that Victor's in, and Jinx and Violet, they're they're a family again.
SPEAKER_04Dude, I feel like Victor is like a representation of Jesus.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, hey yeah. I mean, yeah, kinda.
SPEAKER_04Touch me and you'll be healed.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Uh he's definitely an allegory for that. I mean, I definitely I can't wait for you to continue. It's I think it's commentary on that. I think you'll understand what I mean by that after this. Yeah, bro. There's some in-game shit, man. I it literally, it's like maybe just after the MCU is so awesome, maybe I'll just see everything like the MCU, like Cobra Kai and Arcane, I feel like are similar to that. But but yes, yeah, yeah, man. Okay, Misha and all of that happening, it's it's heartbreaking. Uh, but it's great. It's just made for 250 million dollars, it better be great.
SPEAKER_04Right?
SPEAKER_00It better win all the Emmies.
SPEAKER_04I hope they do because like even if you're not like Diane doesn't know shit about fuck about Arcane, yeah, but she gets invested in the middle of the show, yeah. Like, yeah, it's that was such a powerful draw to it. You're just like, I want to know more, I want to know what's going on over here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Judy would come in and now was and just like watch scenes and you know, just talk about how good it is, even though she doesn't, she cares way less about it than me. When I almost gave up on it, like two episodes then, she gave up forever. She's like, I'm not doing this. I was like, I wish you kept with it because oh my gosh. And she was like, I'll never watch it. So I just showed her the highlights of everything. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_04Why doesn't Judy watch it?
SPEAKER_00I th well, I think at this point it would be pointless because I've shown her so much. Like sort of like not, you know, and she she could sit down and watch it all the way through. I don't know that she cares to because she's already like I've already explained so much to her and like shown her things because she wants she wanted to see it but not watch the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, but I wish for everybody, like if you're even mildly interested that you should, it's gonna clean up at the Emmys, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00For everything that it can clean up as because it's and you know it's an anti-minute show. But how how much longer you got, by the way?
SPEAKER_04About five minutes, actually. About five minutes? Yeah, dang, dude. Actually, I can stick around. My boss just said uh I won't have to come in to the studio today.
SPEAKER_00Yo, dope, dude. Let's go. Well, like, you know, you also don't have to stick around for like, you know, so much longer. Like you can say for however much longer you want. Um I was I was thinking initially, if you wanted to ever do this again, we could have multiple. Yeah. I feel like you and Judy and I doing it differently, doing it multiple times is is a little bit different, uh, just because we will just shoot the shit the the most that you can in terms of just like it's unspecific, like she, you know, I'm not talking to her because she's an industry person or because right I have certain things to talk to her about. But you know, but my hope for you and and uh maybe some other people, but you know, let's just give you a couple because we we have so much to talk about.
SPEAKER_04You can hit me up in this I'm I'm always done. I like taking it with you and like conversing about these things. Like it's hard to have conversations with people that truly have open minds versus people that claim to have an open mind, you know? Yeah, like for sure, yeah. You know, because there's people that like and I hate to say it this way, but I'm gonna say it on this. Yeah, no, no, no, say it like very as of recently, and I think I expressed this quite a bit to you, but like there are people in certain communities that claim to be uh you know, you know, they they're slow to judge, they are unbiased, they are claiming to be, you know, I guess a very powerful force of an ally when in reality they're just hypocrites.
SPEAKER_00Virtue uh seeking.
SPEAKER_04Yes, yeah. And it's like are you truly an ally or are you just someone that detests anyone that's different from you? Because I can accept you and I can be in the same room as you, but clearly if I have a different opinion or thought process than you, I apply it to my life and my individual self, yeah, that makes me an enemy in your eyes, you know? And I like conversing with you because like for one, you're like my brother, and also two, it's like I can literally tell you anything and talk about anything with you, feel it without the fear of judgment or scrutiny in some way. There's always a seeking of understanding between both of us, and that's how it is like with all my people, generally speaking. Like I care about you, I want to understand you, I'm not here to judge you.
SPEAKER_00Is is there like a particular environment or circle that you think about when you talk about people like that?
SPEAKER_04I mean, honestly, in Atlanta, yeah, I it's a lot of the uh communities that you know sometimes, I mean, within our own industry, there's a lot of people that just there's a lot of people that get their news from social media. Yeah, that's what I like. They get their information from social media or like groups of people that are just ill-informed and don't seek further truth than what they ear and what they see. To me, a lot of things are black and white, and sometimes it's hard for me to dance around the gray area where there's a lot of permissible fault there. I have nothing against anyone that's in the gray.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But if you're gonna ask me my opinion, I give you my thoughts, I would hope that you don't judge me the same way I didn't judge you. You know? And it's been hard sometimes, like it's like you know, my life has like in terms of like my social circles and some of the things I do externally has changed drastically, especially you know, getting into a relationship and also life happening the way that it did.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, man. Like growth season.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you know, they call it growing pains and not growing joys, you know, and like yeah, it's just it's it's it's interesting. Like I guess it's a part of our journey, whatever's to come, you know, whatever adjustments we need to make, and also teach us how to communicate in a way where we are understood even despite the fact that all odds are against us.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, man. That's what I was kind of thinking too when you when you were talking about our industry too. You know, it doesn't necessarily have to be local. Because you know, I think about the industry, and I I also think about some of my Amber friends, New York and LA. And what do you what do you feel like is toxic in the industry that is like prevalent, that's going on right now? Like what do you experience even now in this that's where yeah, I I forgot. Like, I know I lost my train of thought, you know, 20 minutes ago when I was talking about, yeah, uh, because I always want to circle back to it and and you know, whenever I hang with Jeff, he's like, Don't worry about it, we're just we're moving forward, don't go back. Um, but yeah, talking about how we're so far out from the from um the strike, but some people are still affected. Uh I'm I'm one of those people who's still affected, just the nuances of my situation of like my reps, you know, I just got new headshots. I have three rep, three different reps, but my auditions are few and far between, you know. They're some of them are really good. They're few and far between. And it's hard now to the people who want to check you, you know, like we were talking about, like, oh, you're you're you still acting, right? Uh what's going on? You're on YouTube. The Amish movie is actually on YouTube, so I am on YouTube. There's two versions of it on YouTube that aren't, I don't think they're supposed to be there, but it helps people to see it and support it. That's good. But I also, if it's taking money away from up TV or or whatever, I sh I'm not endorsing that by any means.
SPEAKER_04And photo slavery, there's nothing wrong with anything beyond YouTube. It's just a way that certain people ask in a condescending way because of their affiliation with their thoughts of your work beyond YouTube.
SPEAKER_00Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's it's hard, it's harder now because it is coming back for some people, like it's slowly coming back, I think, for everybody, but right now it is coming back so much faster for some people. Right. Um, and it's hard for me to continue to tell people, oh yeah, the industry's in a tough place. You know, it is, it still is. And that's you know, it's kind of why it's not as you know, my momentum died and why I'm not as bumping as I used as I was right now. And then people that I literally was in Zayn's class, uh Nick Duverne, it's like a lead on White Lotus season three, yeah. Uh just now, and he's amazing. Um, he's great, like he's always been great. Like, and it's uh that literally that role, like you know, it was like it was written for him, like Terry's killing it. Yeah. Um Sarah Bourne was just in a movie. Who's her who's her opposite in that? Was it Hayley Duff. Hayley Duff was her opposite. Yeah. It's just I think it's a nuanced thing at this point. So it's it's the growing pains of it coming back, of it's not gonna be the same for everybody, or it's definitely not the same for me.
SPEAKER_04Sometimes it feels like you know how some music music genres like just fizzle out. That's how I feel about sometimes just stuff in our industry, like being an actor, or like it feels like that, but you know, there are some people that are still fighting a good fight, and like you know, all of us still are. Yeah, but just feel like there's something that died in our industry that was a huge lifeline and the the stream of blood that kept it moving, you know? Right. There's something missing, and it's also like it's just not the same, you know. Like it's just it's just things are just different. But yeah, what are we your thing? You said earlier, it's like, you know, yo, what are your thoughts? Like about like, you know, how some people are in the industry, like how, yeah, the different characters, like what would you, what advice would you give someone that's coming in?
SPEAKER_00Well, I I also just realized I asked you a question and then I just stamped it all over it to make my point that I was trying to make earlier because I had lost my training thought earlier, but no, but uh sorry to to ask you a question and then just forget about it. Because I asked you, like, do you notice something toxic in Oh in our industry? Yeah. Dude, yes. It's like prevalent that's happening to you, they it's like undeniable.
SPEAKER_04You're like our industry tells everyone that you have your own voice.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But if you start speaking up against what it is that we stand for, and if you have an opinion or a thought that's questioning ours, just out even out of pure innocent curiosity, you're fucked.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because when they were when they were delegating the the strike stuff, yeah. And you you but here's the thing, man, having having concerns about something that's happening is not the same as you like running on a platform to try and like you know say that Fran Dresher is wrong or something like that. You know, it's not the same thing, but people came after you, right?
SPEAKER_04There was all kinds of reactions because like you know, at the end of the day, people were just like, you know, unless you're a bandwagoner, it's kind of like football and stuff. Like unless you're a bandwagoner, you can't talk shit about the you know, players that are doing what they do when they play. Yeah, like if you're just like, well, it's like saying Michael Jordan is the greatest, but he also had his off nights.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You say that he also had his off nights like you sound like a piece of shit. How could you acknowledge the fact that he is a human being and also the fact that he also has some off nights? Like, we see him for only the greatness that he is. I'm like, he is literally the goat.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_04I'm not taking that away from him. Also, I love the fact that he's a human being. Yeah, I love the fact that he had to practice and train his ass on to get to where he's at. The reason why I acknowledge the faults is also because it gives me hope. Because that's the thing. When it came to our industry, and I was pointing out, hey, our leadership and the people that are representing our industry, I'm sure they're great people.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But I'm embarrassed because these are the voice boxes that we have, and we have no other choice but to run with it because everyone assumes that we're just not gonna think about these things, or it's too hard to think about the accounting aspect or think about things from a business perspective. You know, like I was being called an elitist because I was like, yo, like we're all getting maybe like times two more from what we got before, which I'm glad, yeah, I'm grateful. But you're telling me for two years I was out of work because I wanted $2,000 more, and also we're calling the people that are giving us money all kinds of obscenities, and then we're salty when they slash back.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, what they have so much power to let it go for that long. They have, I think they have more power than we still even understand. And yeah, we're still getting paid by them. The and it's it's crazy that people came after you, but people also do complain about the deal that they broke on um on AI and how short it is. It's only two years, right? So it's about to, or three years or something, it's about to be up. And you know how much AI has improved since then? And now they gotta, they're gonna have to probably redelegate stuff. Yeah. Um, which who knows what's gonna happen. And will we see a rise in indie films? Because the production companies are gonna be like, let's use more and more AI. And I don't care about the union, or I don't care about um, because you know, some of them have to be union, I guess, but I don't care about, you know, we could enforce these regulations if the union wants to do work with us, yeah, then we'll give them no choice, like we'll choke them out. I mean, I don't think we'll survive a strike longer than what it was. That's that was historic. That was longer than 07, right?
SPEAKER_04Was it that was yeah, that was a very long strike.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I, you know, that absolutely decimated my the any momentum that I had was in the trash.
SPEAKER_04And uh Bro, me too.
SPEAKER_00And yeah, and you you were pretty fresh off of Reba, right?
SPEAKER_04Off of I mean, I don't like to rode ride those coattails, but like, yeah, it was like two years after. Yeah, but like not even that. It was just there was a drive, like let's take out the credits for example. But there's a drive that you have when you feel like you accomplished something, yeah, and the way that you operate is different, like you feel the confidence that you lack when times are tough. Because when times are tough, you're just like you just feel exhausted and you're just you're hoping that someone sees something in you to be like, okay, even if it's a day playing job, nothing against it, whatever, but like there's something like hey, like let me feel like I'm let me feel like I'm not wasting my time.
SPEAKER_00I I just self submitted an audition for a micro in um somewhere in South Atlanta. But I and a The role is actually great. It's a day player, yeah, for a micro budget. And it's great, and someone attached to it is very, very great. I don't know if I should main drop any of this because I'm not saying anything negative about it, but we're also talking about like, you know, I have three reps and I self-submitted myself for that. So it's that's the point I'm making. If if they hear about it, yeah. I'm um I'm not, you know, I'm not shit talking anything here because it's you know, it's a it is like I said, it's a great role. Right. Uh and I I like the tapes that I did for it. But yeah, it's like you know, we're we're for me to even like be looking on actors access on the 125 a days, you know, on the st on the start work finish uh stuff, um, how topical, man.
SPEAKER_04Right. Um I mean that's just this just goes to show that you know, as an artist, like you know, we truly do this because we love it. Yeah, we usually also also like you know, you can get social validation and whatnot, but there's nothing better than self-validation.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know, like you can be like, oh yeah, I'm doing this, I'm proud of myself. I am an actor, I am actively working, I'm telling these stories. There's people that believe in me, but also I believed in myself, and that's why I got here. Yeah, you know, like there's something beautifully like empowering about that. Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I I don't, you know, to backtrack, I I don't have anything against because you know, if you got the passion, you got the drive, then a micro budget doesn't mean anything to you, you know. Right. So I nothing against wanting to do as much as you possibly can, right? Or that you that the strike's passion in you. But there's but there's also it's it's a good thing to hold yourself to a standard. If you believe something should be a certain way, then you know it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. And 100%. And so that's and that was just a nuanced thing for me that I hadn't done in a while. So that's why I brought that up. I'm not not to not to shit on anything at all.
SPEAKER_04Oh, you're not shitting on anything, because like I think I think you saying that is actually like really dope because like it brings it brings light to something that most people don't even understand. It's just like you're just doing it for attention or you're doing it for whatever the fuck, or you're some kind of a narcissist or associate, like all you care about is you know attention. It's like dude, we're just moment makers.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_04Moments makers. We create moments.
SPEAKER_00And then we gotta yeah, have some shirts to say and then. Yeah, um, yeah. Do you I'm I'm trying to think of how to you know talk about the strike stuff and because I, you know, I don't want anyone to think that either one of us are talking about so-and-so should be dethroned and because it's fine, like I said, it's fine. Like in politics, why does everyone have a cow when you have a problem with a nuance of like a party that you associate with?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I will I won't name drop because I don't know how people feel about certain people in the public eye, but you know, recently, like in the past few years, there have been people associated with a certain party and they just have an issue with like one thing. Yeah, and then the party ostracizes them. Yeah, and I feel like maybe that's happened with both, but it's happened a lot with one party. Yeah, and these people are famous, are very famous. Or like there was a playwright just recently who, like, when I was in at my conservatory, he was referred to as God. Like he and he's you know, he's like a relevant guy now in the pair of like maybe 30, 40 years, like he's done something, and he was ostracized for saying like one thing that had to do with just an opinion about like our foreign relations and uh something that we had going on, and uh totally ostracized now. And it's I'm like, and yeah, in the Broadway community, like someone says one thing about something, it's it's over, it's over for you. And granted, if it's bad enough, sure, maybe you should ostracize them, but nobody wants to ask why.
SPEAKER_04Everyone just wants to react and be like, yo, fuck you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, you you can have unless it's like an outright like racist thing, you know, like yeah.
SPEAKER_04If it's not like some shit that's like really like yo, hey, like you're a piece of shit. Yeah, you know, but also I guess if people can consider your opinions, yeah, that just odd, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I guess it's it is a truly bad problematic thing. That yes, absolutely. But right, um, but also we've started to blur those lines for for gain of like one person over another. Like we've we ha that is happening. Yeah, for personal gain, we blur the lines so that we can come out on top so we can dunk on each other type thing. Like having what yeah, it's not it's not a big deal to have an issue with something that is you're right and kind of your job to have, like, you know, for your voter. Yeah. You're gonna be like, I identify with this party, but I have an issue with this, and I'm my voice does matter, you know. So us talking about the strides, you know, people still think it because you know, there's a lot of like sheep type mentalities. I hate to use the word sheep because even that now is kind of the waters are muddy.
SPEAKER_04How else can you describe it though?
SPEAKER_00You know, uh the I we'll come up with things that then people will the people who are guilty of it, they'll they'll demonize that at some point.
SPEAKER_04I think if anyone's listening, it's like, you know, if if anyone's listening, there's gonna be three people that that tune in. Also, you guys that are listening, it's like when the term sheep is used, you can use it in both parties. Because there are sheep on both parties. There are sheep in every aspect. So, like however it is that you're describing one thing, it can be applied to everything. Yeah, that's like, but I get it because we know each other well enough.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And uh so you know, there's no problem with me saying because we have a we have a mutual friend who voiced that he that they didn't care about the deal that we broke with streaming services, and that is so just just because I'm super affected by it is why I care the most so much about it. Right. Because everything that I've done, the more important things that I've done, I guess, or the more um out there things, popular things that I've done, are all on streaming services now. And so my lifeblood that comes from what I've done in terms of art comes from that. Right. And then we the streaming service stuff has never been great, but then they had all this opportunity. And look, I'm not saying that I could have done a better job. I'm sure Fran was like eating people's heads off, is what it's sounded like look like. I don't know. Um, or at least trying to, you know, because you can only do so much. The way that we got fucked with streaming stuff, like, and then a mutual friend of ours is like, I don't care about that. Let's look at other things. Streaming is the future. You think network TV is just gonna be around forever in terms of cable? You think cable is gonna, are you gonna you saying that rabbit ears are gonna be around forever? Fucking like a box TV.
SPEAKER_04Tell me tell me when was the last time you put on the TV guy channel to see what was on.
SPEAKER_00Uh like it all I only do that when there's something like a live sports game that's even airing, you know, in Atlanta, because I I'm a fan of out out of state teams. Um, so it's rare, unless it's like pay-for-view or whatever, but but or like the Oscars, something like that. Yeah, it's like or like News Even, you know, something that's like live happening right now that is, you know, you can even do on Hulu. You can even log in to Hulu or YouTube, they do live streams of stuff like that too. So I don't even need cable, they still do that. Um, like the VMAs and stuff like that. Like I see that all the time on Hulu, like watch the VMAs or the Andes, it's all on that.
SPEAKER_04In other words, streaming has all the solutions, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so they they even that stuff, they still have that. Uh and you can, you know, pay to watch any baseball game you want to on YouTube, I think, the YouTube TV or whatever. So it's like it's not eventually the money's gonna stop being useful for cable. Right. Or or you know, it's just gonna become obsolete. And it's gonna, you know, streaming and on demand, everything's that's gonna be that. And we struck a deal that was not great for the future. Yeah, that's what we that's what we have to understand about that. I told you this, the episode of SEAL team that I did, I got two checks at the same time. They because 2023 fall, I guess that's when it was. I guess because that was dead for new new things because of the strike, they re-aired my episode on CBS, even though it had come off to Paramount Plus, they re-aired it just to have something to show.
SPEAKER_03How much was that again?
SPEAKER_00So what?
SPEAKER_03How much was that residual again?
SPEAKER_00Well, I the what I'll say about the amount. So I got the regular residual from it being on Paramount Plus, because it stayed on Paramount Plus, obviously, but then re-aired one time on CBS. Same episode, same job that I did. That's what people need to understand about this. God damn it. The same job that I did. I got the check from Paramount Plus and the check from CBS at the same time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And it aired one time on CBS. The check I got for CBS was 36 times the check for Paramount Plus. Not like add $36. Like add $360, whatever.
SPEAKER_0336 times.
SPEAKER_00You take the amount that I got from Paramount and multiply it by 36.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You do that to a low amount, and it's it's a pretty hefty, you know, that's a hefty difference. Right. Multiplying something by 36, even if you got $36 or whatever. If you or sorry, if you know if you got $100, yeah, $3,600 versus $100, that's a big difference. Right. And you know, so the I got to see the difference in my face. And I was like, this is what we this is what our union was forced, I guess, forced to do, or maybe didn't find enough for. I I don't know. And I look, it's fine for me to have that the the issue, the question of that nuance. And I'm not, you know, yeah, I should not be demonized for wondering at least, because Seinfeld money, big bang money, uh uh friends money, that stuff is famous. We talk about that in means and how rich those guys are and how much money there's still like Julia Louise Dreyfus, how how much how people can live a life. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You can live an actual life off of your residuals. You can buy a house, you can pay your bills, you can live in peace until your next job. Now you can't.
SPEAKER_00It's almost like production companies, whether they planned it or not, it's like those days are gonna become extinct. If I don't maybe it's too late, maybe it's too late for us to fight for that. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04I mean, we could try all our best, but it's like, is it gonna get better? No. Because like until the next thing after streaming comes around, where it seems like it's such a valuable asset to the entertainment world, yeah. Like, who knows what that will be and what's gonna what that is gonna what that is going to entail. You know, with our leadership there, like it's just like our government politics, you know. Yeah, here's our president and here's all the people that give him the information and do all these things, and he's the soundboard, and he says, Well, I like this, I like that. I'm the representative, so I'm gonna be the speaker. That's essentially what Fran was, and you got crab apple over there, like whatever, dude. Like, I feel like if you're gonna be in a position of leadership and authority, you should be able to have a voice that has a valuable opinion that can transfer over to whoever else is delegating and carrying out the research and fighting on your team to the people that are paying us. Like we are a valuable asset to the world. Entertainment is art. Art is literally the reason why everything exists. That bookshelf was designed by some motherfucker who was just like, yo, this looks cool. That TV, the design, we went from big ass tubes to these flat screens of like five fucking pounds. That basket over there has two shades to it. Like everything is influenced by some form of art. Yeah, man. And you're telling me that you're we're gonna go from giving someone five hundred dollars on a residual check to now 36 cents.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. 36 cents.
SPEAKER_04It wasn't that low, but no, no, no, but like that's it's a it's a good, like, it's that's the idea. Like, I'm looking at some of my residuals, bro. Like, yeah, I had the other night I went back to uh my parents' house to pick up some of my residual checks. I had like 15 of them. I thought I hit the jackpot, bro. It was stacked up.
SPEAKER_00I have mine sent to my parents' house too. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04There was like 15 of them. I was like, yo, I'm about to eat good.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Bro, the total for all of them, all of them, was like it was like no, it was like 108 dollars.
SPEAKER_00Hey, dude, I gotta, I just got a $5 one. I got a I got a really good one, but that that's been like one in a year that's been even close to his.
SPEAKER_04You're telling me 15 stack, I had 15 checks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And it came out to that, bro. Yeah, I'm just like, thanks, guys.
SPEAKER_00What's what's the show with Howie Mandel where it's like they open suitcases and they see Dealer No Deal? Dealer no deal, yeah. It's literally just like that. I I could see from my from the SAG app that I had like four checks coming in. Same thing, they were all at my parents' house. Yeah, so I I saw them for something and I took them all home. And I knew one of them was like the biggest one that I've gotten in years, just because of logistics. Yeah, but the rest of them were typical of $5, $20, $25, whatever. And so literally, I was here with Judy and I was like, let's open them together. Well, I don't know which one is which. It's gonna be like deal or no deal. Yeah, and uh someone's gonna get five dollars and someone's gonna get like you know, a couple hundred or someone's gonna get a couple thousand, whatever. But it kind of sucks, dude. It's like it's and I'm glad that we have an app that can tell us it's coming in at least. Yeah, but it does suck to get you know 20 cents or something. Um yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_04You can't help or still deposit those things.
SPEAKER_00You're like, yeah, it's like it's sorry. I think it was Zayn I was talking to you. He was like, I got like a 70 cents one. And he's like, depositing it feels like a crime. I feel embarrassed, even though I can just do it myself on my phone. Yeah, I still just feel embarrassed to do it. Um and like, yeah, like when Seinfeld, you know, when someone from that show is still getting like 25 cents, it's like back in the probably years ago before were residuals? I guess I guess they were this kind of the same.
SPEAKER_04I mean, I told you the story about uh my current management team and how someone from the past was in a lawsuit against one of their former clients because they didn't want to give up residuals. Yeah, it wasn't they were he didn't try to sue them over the residuals that we get now. Yeah, it was over the residuals that they got on network TV. Uh yeah, it was well a very popular show, yeah. But also, like, even if you weren't in a popular show, you like you're still made bank, yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_00You know, yeah, network, yeah. I I just told mine, I was like in LA, my my two in LA, I was like, you know, SWAT 911, or some of those things that are shot out there, their network is like Dayplayer. I'll I'll fly there for day player. Like it's an experience too. So nothing again, nothing against the SWF. Nothing against it at all. No, but it but even but going out there is an experience too. Sometimes if they fly you, it's like first class, you know, it's great. Right. I I had the stewardess my first time in first class, and I was like, let's take a double vodka and eat. And she was like, she looked at me like I was crazy. I was like, are you saying people don't order stuff like that in first class? Right. Yeah, no, and I just told them I was like, anything, anything on a network out there, submit me as a local or you know, whatever, to like to the can from nuances.
SPEAKER_04Right, right, right. How long have we been talking for?
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, how long? Oh, it's all it's all going on two hours, man.
SPEAKER_04Words.
SPEAKER_00This is uh this is some of those uh some of those other podcasts that are out there.
SPEAKER_04Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_00I yeah, what's that? I I'd love to plug other things, but you know.
SPEAKER_04I wish I actually did just set up my camera. I think it would have been cool.
SPEAKER_00So you know, well, you know, we could we used to do this again too, because if if you're down for it, we can even make a video version of it. So uh uh I'll I'll plug you. So what uh you're uh you're on social media. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. This was my first plugging. I didn't plug Judy in the other one I did.
SPEAKER_03Like, share, subscribe.
SPEAKER_00Well, you're packageable boy. Yeah, I don't know if you I don't I don't know how to this since this is my first one. I don't know if I should if we should do your Instagram handle or just you know uh or if you just want to plug something.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean like I don't know if you like hearing me talk, uh make sure you're following Travis or one on Instagram. Uh is it at Travis James?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, uh it's like well I was late getting that handle, so it was like underscore Travis James underscore.
SPEAKER_04So make sure you follow underscore Travis James. Yeah, and then if you want to find me, I am at suit up justin. Um one word. Um but yeah.
SPEAKER_00And you just uh you just did a movie in the past year, right?
SPEAKER_03A sci-fi movie, but yeah, there's one.
SPEAKER_00Which we can uh wait, you know, I don't want to we can get into that maybe next time that we talk, but yeah, yeah, yeah. And but just plugging that, yeah. So um yeah, I guess you know if you want to hear more about that, let's tune into the next one. But yeah, um, yo do this was good. Yeah, man, talk about like so many things. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, man, but that's what's crazy about these. That's why the format needs to be these because two hours kind of flies by. I know it kind of felt like two hours, but it if it flies by, and I feel like what we talked about is like I'm into promoting, like listening to this while you wash your dishes, you know. Yeah, yeah. If if you're driving, if you get a long drive, you want to hear if you're interested in any of these topics, you know. I might tag like the topics too, like arcane and apartments and break-ins and I feel like I spent that first hour, my bad.
SPEAKER_04Just like literally. No, hey, but that this is what it should be.
SPEAKER_00This is really what it should be. Let's stop making an interviewee. I'm not to call anybody out, but like it's not it's you make an interview, it's way less appealing. It just is. Yeah. There's people that I know, people that are acquaintances, but just people have seen, it's like, yeah, if you don't don't make it people there are people out there hired to do interviews for for bigger companies, you know? Right, right, right. They turn a conversation into an interview, but anyways, yeah. I don't want to, I'll I won't harp on it too much. So all right, man. Yeah, I guess we'll we'll we'll wrap it up. Good deal. Awesome, man. Thank you. Yeah, yeah.
