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Judy Nguyen and I rehash the goods right after seeing Nosferatu and ramble about other nonsense. (First ever SWF recording)

SPEAKER_00

How much uh how much does a beer have?

SPEAKER_01

I think like five percent.

SPEAKER_00

And the truly is a it'll get ya. No, that's great. As long as it's not deep eddies. You said you had deep eddies?

SPEAKER_01

Or that you said I used to drink deep eddy during my early twenties days of going out. We just have like a bottle of vodka and then mix it with stuff and then just like quickly take shots or whatever before we went to the buckhead bars.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, it's like that was the pre-game was was deep eddies? Okay.

unknown

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

I just I just don't know why every single time I've had it, I just throw up the next day. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Just straight vodka or do you get it?

SPEAKER_00

It was like specifically deep eddies. And I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to like shit on the brand or anything. I think it was a lot of a mix of things that was happening either that night or whatever, but um it just sucks that things get ruined in that way. I love vodka, but I know like I feel nauseous when I see deep eddies.

SPEAKER_01

But you drink it straight, you didn't mix it.

SPEAKER_00

I feel like every time I've I mixed it with lemonade or something, something that it should be mixed with, but probably too much. And this was like the same same time of my life. Yeah. No, between 20 and 25, yeah. So just to paraphrase what the movie ended.

SPEAKER_01

Gosh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

The movie ended and you did the thing that you did to me when McBet Mc sorry, I won't say it. The the other movie that Denzel was in that Shakespeare wrote. Yes. Um, when that started and they started speaking, and you just looked at me. It shook my head. And I'm with you, because I like back when I tr started to try to read Shakespeare, I was like, what this isn't even slightly understandable, like what are discernible, like what it means. And sure, you can like study those things and and all, but it's like it's still tough. Like, even when you study that stuff, it's still stuff to just you don't read it for pleasure unless you have studied that specific one, I feel like.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's also one thing to read it, and then it's another thing to watch people s try to say it naturally, and then another layer on top of that is Denzel, who has the most notable cadence and voice, yeah, and say this old English stuff. Yeah, it's like tiring.

SPEAKER_00

I I like it because I mean he's he's got great views of what stage acting is, like some quotes that he's got out there that are really great about that. But I I like that it was like you were getting like film Denzel from it. There's an interesting palpableness of it when you take out like the strong iambic pin tamer, like the lean into it. Um, granted, when actors do that, it really helps you, it helps you to understand what it means. Like when actors can convey Shakespeare in a way that helps like just kind of sets what the intentions of the line is when good actors are doing when good stage actors are doing Shakespeare. I used to think it was like almost too much, but then I started studying it, and then I was like, oh yeah, them doing that is like vital for because not everyone in an audience for Shakespeare is gonna know ever what they're saying every line, let alone like maybe most of it.

SPEAKER_01

Um I don't even really know what iambic pentameter is, and well, I know it's just like Shakespeare wrote in that, oh, like stress, not stressed.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you you have um in raw, like the and that's it's crazy because like his uh people that have studied it still think they're like here's here's what the rules are baseline. There's exceptions above and below it, which I would love like to to ask him like, did you write, did you have a set of rules for something and then you just wrote outside of the rules just for pleasure?

SPEAKER_01

This uh okay, it was like last night or the night before. We're talking about things stressing us out. Shakespeare is literally something that I've thought about that's just stresses me out because I'm like, you wanted to write an iambic pentameter, so you chose words that fit that. Is that yeah?

SPEAKER_00

Uh no, you I mean, you write it in a way like poets write it. Like when you're writing a haiku, you have to be strategic about how you're doing it. To an extent, he was strategic about everything that he likes the way that he wrote it. Like you wanted to say it a certain way, but also the way he wrote it. Baseline being, what is it? Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. So 10, 10 syllables, and it's like on and off stress. So da da da da da da da da da da da da. So like that. But then there are all these exceptions with that don't just exist in the rules, that exist in his works, where the people studying go, okay, it's this, this, you know, it's correct, right? And they'll get to one that's like da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da, or something like that. Uh, where it's like there's tiny exceptions. And what I just did might actually be too much. Like, maybe there's not even an exception that goes that far. But it's like da da da. Maybe a line starting like that would be one of the exceptions.

SPEAKER_01

Um, but that would still be considered considered iambic?

SPEAKER_00

A variation via like a exception to the rule in iambic pentamer because it's like within the work where everything else kind of follows suit to that. And I'm like, I I it's been like a decade since I've studied it. So I feel like I could be saying some things that are not entirely like the best way to say it.

SPEAKER_01

And every single thing he's written is written that way.

SPEAKER_00

Uh gosh, now my ignorance is gonna show through. I've I feel like for the most part, yes. Uh, it's again, it's been a while since I've studied it in an actual studying way.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like there's other things where no, but I also don't even know fully what it means to have like a stressed syllable versus a not stressed. Is it just like emphasis?

SPEAKER_00

Like if you like the beginning of uh Romeo and Juliet, there's a line of uh in fair verona where we lay our scene, in fair verona where we lay our scene, the the stresses on those, the da, like that.

SPEAKER_01

Or like to be or not to be.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and so the two would be on stress and then be is stressed.

SPEAKER_01

But like is it inherently the word, or because you are reading it, like because you know, then you're reading it a certain way. Like I'm just confused what like these syllables or words do they inherently have are they inherently stressed or not stressed, or it's just the structure that makes them stressed or not stressed?

SPEAKER_00

I think the structure I'm trying to I saw the truly and I wanted to take another sip and I kind of lost the beginning. What did I say?

SPEAKER_01

So like so to be or not to be, be is stressed in that structure.

SPEAKER_00

Um yes.

SPEAKER_01

But if that's the case, then couldn't you just as easily say the two should be stressed?

SPEAKER_00

Like to be or not to be or not be. Oh, so are you saying like is there another way that you could do Shakespeare?

SPEAKER_01

I'm just curious, like what causes a word to be stressed or not stressed, other than just the way you say it.

SPEAKER_00

Just think the like the fact that that already exists in his work, uh, and that you if you take the rule and apply it, because it's like it's still set up kind of like poetry, where there's like a definitive line. Like this is the line, this is where it ends, this is where it starts, with this is where it ends. And then if you take that, if you take IMB contaminant and apply it to that and see that it fits for this whole thing, then it's like, oh, I know how to how to um this informs me of how he wanted it performed, how he wanted it set.

SPEAKER_01

But did he create this?

SPEAKER_00

That's another place where my ignorance is gonna find maybe I I that's something that I need to refresh.

SPEAKER_01

I'm just curious, did he did he create it, did he do it on purpose, or is it just like he did something on purpose, and then scholars are dissecting it and put this label on it, and then therefore have had it fit this thing that they found?

SPEAKER_00

Uh I mean it's it's kind of that. Like that's one of those things that's really fascinating that I think like, and anyone who studies something for a long time, they're gonna be really fascinated and obsessed. Like I told you, like I studied Bonnie and Clyde for like a year straight. Just because of things that weren't even that that didn't even matter that much. Yeah. And I still, and that was that was 10 years ago this year, or last year actually. And uh I'm still very opinionated about that that thing that happened with them. Um if their dogs kind of swap. Um but yeah, so I I think that's something, especially those who study it and know it and everything, and and they're actors or not, maybe there's scholars that study Shakespeare. That's something that's extremely fascinating because it's like what that's why it would be awesome to talk to him. Be like, what are your intentions with this? Like, what do the exceptions mean? It's one of those things that almost seems like magic. Like, what's I I want to know, I want to know what's what the secret is. Mysterious painters, like after they die, like things that are just out there that you want to know that that seem so fascinating that it's like, yeah, I want to talk to a ghost to understand this. Yeah. So before it's I just I kind of brought up brought up Shakespeare as like a a passing thought to get to what we're gonna say. But um, I mean, yes, it had to do with the look that you gave me at the end of Nosperatu. Yeah. But something that I felt about Nosperatu is that when I watch Shakespeare read Shakespeare, after finally understanding that particular work, it's satisfying in the way that you hear it. And it's not just contemporary English, like it's an old style, old level of English words put together in a way. And uh Nosperatu is, you know, like pretty heightened, like old English, like, you know, they're saying these things, it's like beautifully said and flows, but you still understand it very well. Yeah. So it I I got the same satisfaction from from listening to the dialogue that I get when I understand Shakespeare, which is not often. But yeah, when I do, it's like it's so, it's like it's so pleasing, it's so nice to be taken on that ride. And and I thought about this in the movie, watching Willem Defoe do that dialogue, even though I already understood it, he he's he's gotta have done a bunch of Shakespeare because he did the thing that I was talking about earlier, where it's like when there are actors who do Shakespeare who do it in such a way where you know what the line means, even if you don't know what the words together necessarily mean, the intention of the line, of like what they're saying. There's a lot of that with him, especially when, well, I don't know. I mean, I guess we'll talk and then we can get into spoilers if we're even doing that.

SPEAKER_01

We're gonna in terms of like spoil this entire thing. We're gonna just right away.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Okay. It's gonna be very disjointed my own. Yeah, I know. And also, I I may want you to look some things up, uh be like, what's his name? Rob on the armchair.

SPEAKER_01

I uh oh, yeah, I need to know like if this was a novel.

SPEAKER_00

I because I and that's I I thought I remembered that, but I I wanted to look it up and I forgot. Um and obviously the original Nosperatu did not have all of this. Did not have all of what? Like everything that was in this, like the crazy, like the sex and the Oh, it didn't? Like, I I mean I'm pretty sure it didn't have all the things that you see in this. I'm sure that some of it was at least embellished.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, and I should have before us talking about this, I should have looked a little more into it, but I feel like sorry, Lily Rose Depp just like gravitates towards roles like this. I literally like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

Or it's like sexual, but also like really dark.

SPEAKER_00

What what else are you thinking of?

SPEAKER_01

I don't know what else she's been in other than the idol, which I think had a lot of nudity. So like the show of the weekend, I think.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, I didn't see that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01

But it's like I feel like her face too.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's well, that's what I was saying, trying to say to you earlier of like there was this meme floating around of like her in this movie with her eyes rolled back, and and there's like it says like when you're doing the vacuum and it you hear that crunching sound or whatever, and then it's like and she's making that face. And I I didn't fully know that it was from this movie, I just kind of laughed at it and then I saw it in the movie, and it almost made it a little silly to me. But um, okay, so God forbid anything be silly in this movie. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so the oh, I didn't realize it was a silent film.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00

Is that what what year does it say?

SPEAKER_01

1922. Yeah, 22. So this is something that I would in my life want to have seen. Yeah. But in no way do I actually want to watch it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um same thing as Citizen Kane. And I Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But it's um so it was just the movie, but it was kind of an adaptation of Dracula.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I like how they did that in this movie with uh his boss is showing him the route there, and he he's describing the place, and you see the word Transylvania upside down. Okay, I love it.

SPEAKER_01

Sorry, that's another that's a plot hole that I found, or I'm not sure, because so his freaky boss who was normal one day and then crazy the next, first of all. Yeah, or like the day of he's like naked and like scarred and on his like pentagram. But yeah, Nicholas Holt took an entire couple days journey and he was weary and stayed at that inn or whatever.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the gypsies.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And took him a long time to get to the castle, and then later on in the movie, they just like can get there in 10 minutes. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. No, yeah, I know. And I I just thought of something also too. If like if I end up putting this out, I I don't want like so. If you're listening to this and you think that we brought up Shakespeare because we thought that he wrote this, we know that he didn't write this. I would I was comparing a cinematic experience to when we saw um the Denzel adaptation of Mick B, you know what the Scottish play, yes. So we we are well aware that Shakespeare has nothing to do with this, but sorry.

SPEAKER_01

It'd be ridiculous if people will gather.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I think I don't look, I my thoughts are kind of scattered. Just just to be clear, yeah, I I know, yeah, that it seemed a little disjoining. I mean, I guess he was motivated to get back.

SPEAKER_01

Like, like But like when at the end when she sees the fire, it's not that far. He like journeyed through mountains.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, you like at the very end. Yeah. That's well, that's because he he when he came to town, he set up his he set up his lair like in an abandoned building like off to the side.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, okay. So that wasn't where Nicholas Holt originally found him.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no, no. Like, because the castle was in there elsewhere. And he, I guess, brought his because then he came in a box. It was was his coffin in the box or something? Because like he had to stay at a specific place, I guess that he brought with him. And that's like the rules of his survival.

SPEAKER_01

But it's like who's putting his box on the ship? Who's doing that?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I uh that wasn't super clear to me, but he somehow got it onto the ship and he was able to get into a cargo space where it was gonna be sure to be dark the entire trip over and be dark when he gets off. Yeah. Because that's a big part of it.

SPEAKER_01

And then also, I'm sorry, okay. So when Nicholas Holt comes across his coffin and is about to like stab him, if he had done it a second earlier when the sun was up, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So I love it. This the cinematop, like the the you see just in the background the sunlight is fading. So stressful.

SPEAKER_01

But he was only doing that because he had an inkling because of his dream from before.

SPEAKER_00

I think so. I think he like could piece things together. But yeah, it's like there's it's it's great because it's just sort of classically what it is. Did you was it was it a novel?

SPEAKER_01

It was the so the movie was an adaptation of Dracula.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, okay, okay. So the the the screenplay for the 22 was an adaptation of Dracula.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, I gotcha.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

An essential loose adaptation.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And it's really, it's really cool that they, I feel like, I mean, I know a lot about it. I know it sounds weird for me to say they they did so much justice to it. I haven't seen it, but I've seen clips, I know the essence of it, and I've seen In The Shadow of the Vampire, which is like you're kind of you kind of grow to understand what it is through that, because of what that is. And it's so so wonderful that Willem Defoe was in this as like a nod to that. But he was like the best one in it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And like I said, did that thing where it's like you you're you act the way that you you are required to, with the script, with the tone, with all of it. Even though it's like he said some lines, and I'm just like, it's Green Goblin, man. It's Green Goblin in a in a uh 1600s wardrobe or when it when is when does it take place? I don't know. Um 1800? Maybe it was 18, yeah. But and so yeah, it was kind of taking me out of it just hearing his voice, yeah, but seeing him act, I'm like, yes, this is why he's what he is today.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um gosh, and yeah, I will I watched um In the Shadow of the Vampire on uh recommendation by James Franco. Everyone, yeah, needs to needs to jump on that one. I that would be a great one for people to see if they liked Nosferatu just because of what I told you about it.

SPEAKER_01

Sorry, okay, is Nosferatu like a name of a demon or a known vampire?

SPEAKER_00

I so this movie actually cleared up a lot that I was confused about. I think it's like the the name of the demon, because they they what they say in the movie that that Satan preserved his soul to make him walk again as a um as a blasphemy.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00

There's a lot of kind of quiet throwaway lines in this movie that weren't throwaway, but they were just said naturally, which a lot of credit to the acting. Yeah, and it's like I I would need to watch that scene again. It's like him him being this way is a curse and it like again a mockery to to God and uh um supposed to be blasphemous because this person was raised from the dead to only walk at night, and he becomes a vampire through that. We count Orlock or whatever, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

He was a literal person who was just randomly chosen.

SPEAKER_00

I honestly I so being half deaf, there was some of the dialogue where I like a piece it together because of words that I could hear. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01

I don't catch a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it was quiet. And also we got people talking next to us, people talking to each other and on the phone, and they're like flashing their camera. So annoying. But the flash on what was it that thing that people do when they get a notification in a font, yeah. That's that is great to have on in the theater. Yeah, so annoying. But yes, but I that's what I pieced together is that that this is like a demon, and that he was this person's soul was saved and cursed to to be a blasphemous mark against God and heaven and and whatever, and and walking, and he's cursed in this way of being this vampire.

SPEAKER_01

And do vampires exist or he's the first one?

SPEAKER_00

Great question. Like I think I think he's the only one in the universe because I don't think that the rules apply in this universe of like, oh, I can turn other people. I feel like that would be made a little more clear in the universe because people just die from him being a plague itself.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. But then the gypsies knew about garlic.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And then they like also knew about a stake tismo.

SPEAKER_00

Well, they I mean, you could still know things about like if you live next to, which by the way, why don't you just move? Your town is right next to him and you know what he is, supposedly, you're not gonna move. But yeah, I mean, you can I mean if if you live next to this demon that you hate so much and you know what he is, and somehow you know the rules, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's a thing that's everywhere in the world. I think you can just however they know it, they know it.

SPEAKER_01

Also, I'm sorry, where did they go? The like when he stayed at that He woke up and everyone was gone and they stole his horse and everything.

SPEAKER_00

Oh yeah, yeah, right. And then they came and then they helped him after that, right? Yeah, I'm sorry. They were trying to get the curse out of him after that. So what was it them or was it other people? I think it was other people. So I guess in The gypsies, there were like that group of women that wanted to help him, and then like a bunch of dudes were laughing at him, you know, when he came to town. So maybe, maybe right, maybe there were people that robbed him, and the other ones were trying to help him. But gypsy isn't an offensive term, is it?

SPEAKER_01

I think it is no. Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00

Well, time to cut all this. But uh I mean that's what they say in the movie, you know. Yeah. So, but by those rules, I guess we can't review any Tarantino movies.

SPEAKER_03

Trying to think.

SPEAKER_00

I'm just thinking about the whole the whole thing. It's like I don't know what to what to praise about it first. Uh like Lulie Rose Depp, I don't really know in so much as an actor. Like, there's nothing I've never seen her. I've seen her name bec attached to projects and stuff. I don't really know a lot of her work. And I really didn't even like put it together who she was in this movie. I kind of just watched the movie for what it was. And I love, I mean, Willem Defoe casting could have been a nod. It was a very intelligent nod because he's one of the best actors in the movie. I what I love about this movie is that the casting is very random. It's very like his boss who goes nuts. Where is he from? I don't know. I know I'm from something. Let me see. And I want to know what it is. Like it's Harry Potter or Pirates, or it's something where it's like a somewhat prominent, I think negative character.

SPEAKER_01

So okay, his name's Simon McBurney, Manchurian Candidate, Last King of Scotland. Whoa, he's in Deathly Hollows Part One. Okay. Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy, Mission Impossible, Rogue Nation, The Theory of Everything. He's in a lot of stuff, but Lost of the I also have seen.

SPEAKER_00

Does it say what character in Deathly Hollow is part one? Uh let me see. Is it could it have been when they went to the Oh, he's Creature's voice? Oh wow. Wow. That's how I know. Because I knew the voice.

SPEAKER_01

Wait, he was in The Conjuring 2, too. Too as well.

SPEAKER_00

Oh. Does it say what in Conjuring 2?

SPEAKER_01

Uh Maurice Gross.

SPEAKER_00

I guess maybe I know his voice from Creature. Maybe I remember him from Conjuring, maybe Tinker Taylor, Soldier Spy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But I I love Conjuring 2. I guess maybe I know his face from there and then his voice. Mm-hmm. He didn't seem familiar to me. I just was instantly, and I was like, what the heck? But that's I love, and I'm I'm not saying the cast is random because it's bad actors. It's all very capable actors for what this was supposed to be. But it wasn't like what people kind of refer. And I don't know if I buy into this belief is these kind of sell-out actors now that and I think it's people are just sick of seeing like The Rock. Yeah. And uh maybe Chris Evans, Galgadot, like and Anodarmus and who else? Tom Holland. Like people kind of started calling them like some Jack Black. Like there's a meme going around of like the four horsemen of like, if these people are in it, I'm skipping this movie. And it was The Rock for sure. Yeah. But I but these like sort of big blockbuster sellouts where it's like, oh, he didn't cast this person because they were the best one you could find for this. It was that you wanted the audience. And again, I don't necessarily subscribe to that page. Yeah, it didn't nothing felt like that. I I just I appreciate the nod with Willem Dufoe. The rest of it is like, and Aaron Taylor Johnson. I mean, at first seeing him in it, I was like, I don't know that he didn't necessarily do things like this all the time or so well. But great. And and who played his wife?

SPEAKER_01

Uh Deadpool and Wolverine. Oh, oh, yes.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, that's okay, yeah, yeah. Uh Charles Xavier's like sister from another universe. Yes.

SPEAKER_01

And she was also uh Princess Diana in like the crown or something.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but Deadpool is what I knew her face from, and I didn't realize because she was bald. And I was like, very noble blonde. I just can't place her, but that's why I shouldn't have okay. Yeah, um great in that movie. Great pick for this.

SPEAKER_01

You think so? I thought that she was kind of random.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I mean, pick for it in the sense of, you know, you're not making his wife Galigot. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Where she's talking to the script, the the producers, and she's like, I think his wife should have an Israeli accent.

SPEAKER_01

Everyone in Transylvania should be really from Israel.

SPEAKER_00

Should be from Israel. Um, it has nothing to do with the fact that I can't do any other accent. I'm kidding. I I know that she can. Can she? Well, to to to to make to make the producers tell an entire fictional island that everyone should sound like they're from Israel. Just saying. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01

I will I I have no real desire to watch the Snow White movie, but I just want to see if she if she has a frickin' Israeli accent.

SPEAKER_00

I feel like she talks in the trailer.

SPEAKER_01

Not enough for you for me to definitively be like, oh, that's not an Israeli accent.

SPEAKER_00

She had it in Death on the Nile, I think, right? Yeah. Yeah. She's had it everywhere she goes. Oh man. I mean, I love her. I, you know, great. I think she's great. I think, yeah, I mean, I don't hey, I don't hate to I don't hate on DC like a lot of I'm I'm pro-Marvel, but I don't hate on DC. Love Henry Cavill as Superman. I mean, I love all of them. I there's nothing really I Ezra Miller's problems that he's had, sure, maybe that can weigh in on it. And that didn't even affect him not being in the Flash movie. Which was pretty good. Which I thought was good. Everyone craps on it. Uh, you know, I guess I understand there are always some movies in sagas or successful franchises that don't do so well. I understand '84 or whatever. Not and I saw it and I'm like, I understand why. But the first Wonder Woman's great. Man of Steel's great. I think really underrated. I thought Batman vs. Superman is actually pretty good, and people just like to hate on it. I don't know why. Like, I'm sure that's that's just an opinion. It's debatable, yeah. I uh but yes, I just I just find that hysterical. That's like she was about to retire from acting, and it's like you could pick anyone to play Wonder Woman, which and she does a great job. She's a great Wonder Woman. She's you know, but it had to be if from this Amazonian island, or what I forget what it's called, it's fictional, yeah. But they had to speak like you're from Israel, so that the lead actress didn't have to change her accent.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like that is okay to me, more so because it's like, oh, she's not from anywhere we can immediately discern like it's Israel, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I guess Israel's, yeah. No one, no one, yeah, no one's like talking at a conference and you're like, like when you hear an Australian accent, you're like, ooh.

SPEAKER_01

It's like there, I feel like I've thought this with movies where it's like someone is very obviously not from this earth or American or whatever, but they just have a normal American accent, or like the freaking son of God thing that you love of Jesus, and it's very it's supposed to be in Israel, but they have English-British accents, which is so stupid.

SPEAKER_00

I don't remember. I did they they straight up had English accents. You saw it?

SPEAKER_01

I saw it and was so weirded out.

SPEAKER_00

So I yes, I mean I and I know like the appropriation stuff with like casting things for, and that's tough when you talk about Chris when you get into Christianity and you're portraying those things, it's like, you know, we we need to be as accurate as we can. And that's that's a good defense that Disney has for like different princesses or characters being looking a certain way, talking certain way, whatever. It's because geographically where they are. And sure, maybe maybe let's not write another story out of Europe or whatever. But the fact that they write it in Europe is like those people have to talk that way, they have to look that way. It doesn't make sense for them not to.

SPEAKER_01

I I understand, like you can't this thing didn't have a budget that Passion of the Christ did. It's like I understand, like, you can't just have them just straight up speaking American accents, but you also don't want to swing all the way where it's like everyone just puts on an Israeli accent or whatever. Yeah. But like I understand there needing to be something that isn't just straight American. And also I think your argument to me the last time we talked about this was the fact that it was like a BBC thing or something like that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it it was like it was a series that already existed that I think was BBC or just produced out of out of the UK, and they took a part of it and made it into a film, maybe sewed together some stuff from the show, and then did more, or maybe all of it was in the show, and then they made I I don't really remember because I saw it in theaters like thir 12 years ago, I think. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Gosh, you saw in theaters.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's on Easter Day. It was in the living in New York and by yourself. I didn't really yeah, because I I it seemed that it was out and I saw good reviews or something, and and it was Easter, and um I need the Lord too. I wasn't with my family, and I yeah, I wanted to do something where I was like, you know, thinking about the thing, and uh and yeah, I went to see it, and it was more so of like the the way they presented it, and and I I and the things that touched me didn't really have to do with like the casting and accents and everything, but it was it was a very um just very beautiful movie. It was it wasn't it wasn't as tough of a watch as Passion of the Christ because I saw that. I think actually, I think the other year I was in New York on Easter, I watched that. Oh shit by yourself in my room, because it's like I on Netflix, uh Passion of the Christ. We know they're gonna do things for holidays, even when it's like Arbor Day. Let's go let's go climb a tree. Yeah, but why do I oh because of Gal.

SPEAKER_01

Well, yes. How do we get on Gal? Um oh, because you were saying that the bald Deadpool girl, yeah, very apparent and random if Galga Joe was cast.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and here in Taylor Johnson's, and I love my wife. Um I love love my wife, and she goes, Yes, hello, I am his wife on Israel.

SPEAKER_01

No, but it was also like jarring where she he was like, can't get enough of her. Oh yeah, keep getting her pregnant, and then she her in a very ugly wig.

SPEAKER_00

That's so very obviously a wig. I I didn't think I didn't really see it as a wig. Yeah, dude. I like great cat, even like the guy that ran the where they locked up the boss. I don't even know what his job was. Locked up the boss, you know, there's oh in the asylum.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it was like uh the hospital or something.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. This is another thing. So this is when they first see him, he's just eaten the bird, and then he like attacks a guy.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I thought it was that guy.

SPEAKER_01

The the doctor.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the doctor was there later. I think I think it was like a guy there who worked there as like a oh, I got a like a facilitator, somebody who's there, like working there. Yeah, because the same guy was. That's what I thought. Again, things are quiet and dark in this movie, which I have not seen one complaint about those things. I think because of how good this movie is. After that episode of Game of Thrones came out, where I was like, amazing, and everyone's like, I can't see it, I don't want to watch it, even though it's the best episode of the whole show that's ever been made.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And that's my opinion, sure. But I mean, I don't know of an argument of like an episode that tops it from top to bottom. But that was something that no one would shut up about. And I think also when something becomes so popular and huge that people love to shit on it when it's like not so obviously like good. Because people even came after Endgame, like maybe a couple years later, like they they waited until the excitement of it wore off, and then they just well, like people are like, oh, hate it. Like to look, I don't know what they were thinking when they made that. I heard those words from people. I'm like you guys don't like people or the internet. People like heard out of someone's mouth. I was like, I don't know what they were doing when they made that. And that they love Infinity War. Okay, which and I'm like, I guess you just don't appreciate the because it's like Infinity War is a great as a standalone, and Endgame is a culmination of 11 years of films, yeah, which is so emotional and and impressive to me. Um also, I mean, I'm a fan of it, so that helps. But to be so in love with Infinity War and then disdain for Endgame is like that's where the stuff happens. Yeah. Like that's the true, and I I kind of felt like they should have maybe swapped titles or something because that was the war. They were just sort of having squabbles, yeah, you know, but like they the actual war happens, and it's like the thing that everyone's been waiting 11 years to see when Samuel Jackson's in uh the living room, Tony Stark back in 2008. He's like, Oh, here for the Avengers, and everyone's like, What? Like that post-credit scene in 2008. Oh, okay. And it's like that was leading to the battle in Endgame where that's the war. And I wish they had changed those titles.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, I don't under was Aaron Taylor Johnson rotting? What was up with him?

SPEAKER_00

I think there's his face was rotting, he's spitting out meat. So I I need to watch like some breakdown videos of this because I I again I know it, I get it. I get that he was there, like he sort of brought the plague with him. He like is cursed. So he brought this plague that's not like an airborne plague.

SPEAKER_01

He brought it with him from where?

SPEAKER_00

Like, because he he himself is a plague. It's like the the way that the language that they used in this is very it's very interesting. Yeah. Because they they would, you know, it was this thing that Wundfoe is having to sort of um be in, it's like an incantation or something. Yeah. Where he he ends it with uh um the plague of Nosferatu, like they were cured of the plague of Nosferatu or something like that. And it's like it in was infecting them because he was there in their town and he was sort of killing and feeding on people, and yeah, he was able to keep Aaron Taylor Johnson like the powers that that thing has, like keep him from waking up while he murdered his family. And I love how Willem Dafoe and Nicholas or sorry, what's his name? Um Nicholas Holt. Yeah, right, yeah. Willem Dafoe, Nicholas Holt, and the other guy set out with like some sticks and the like the powers of Nosferatu. I'm like, Well, I hope that you you're planning on not running into him, which he was, but it's like, what are you gonna do? And they also they stab into the cat coffin as if he's in there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So you guys thought that with some sticks, you got I guess you were assuming that he was there, or were he was letting Nicholas stab into it because he knew that Osparati is away with his wife. Yeah, yeah. So that makes me feel a little bit better.

SPEAKER_01

They think it's kind of like Vecna and Stranger Things, where it's like his body is there, his physical body's there, but his shadow or whatever is the one that's wreaking havoc and like going around.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and causing this the shadows causing the plague, I guess. Yeah, and that's that's a that's a better way to look at it. Thank you. Yeah, dude. Uh so cool. Yeah, and I I love that that's a part of the script, and they they called that other movie In the Shadow of the Vampire. It's like he's he's actually what he's the actor playing Orlock, what's his name?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, Orlock, I think.

SPEAKER_00

Orlock, uh, who's secretly Nosperatu, is secretly the vampire with the rule set that Nosperatu has in the script for Nosferatu. And and so I that movie's very interesting for that reason. I mean, it was it was an odd watch, like I watched it alone, my roommate was gone, you know, I think it was like eating chicken wings or something, and it was like, this is this is this is like I I wasn't prepared for what I was watching. Yeah, it's very like shocking.

SPEAKER_01

Well, okay, in that movie, Willem Defoe is playing Nosferatu in the movie that he's acting in, but he is also actually Nosferatu in real life.

SPEAKER_00

So he's so there's like there's an actor with a name, I don't remember his name, but like playing Orlock. Okay, who's you know, who you find out in the in the script in that script is Nosferatu. And that actor who's playing Orlock is like actually a vampire. And you you watch the movie and you see him preparing for it, and the people like within the set, within the movie, whatever, are talking about him being an obsessive method actor. And then you see him alone in the like in a scene where he's like, I think he's naked, or maybe he's wearing just like underwear or something, and he's like perched upon a rock and he's doing weird things, and you're like, This is this is kind of unsettling, like the lengths of this method actor is going. Yeah. And then by the end, John Malkovich is shooting that last scene that we that's the same in that original movie, kind of like of the way that he dies. Where there he's has and sunlight. Well, well, it's I'm trying to remember. I might be the woman. Uh he kills somebody and then the sunlight kills him right there. And John Malkovich is filming it, and even though you can't even see John Malkovich's face, this is why we need good actors and on AI, because he's filming it, he's you know, you gotta do it like this, where he's winding his hand while he's filming it. And I think the I think the person that he kills in the scene, as he as the sunlight's killing him in the scene, he's actually killing them in real life. And then the sunlight makes him makes him burn into ash. And John Malkovich is like furiously like filming it because he knows what he's looking at is real. Oh, and yeah. So he finds out in that moment, yes, but he's like, I I'm catching um the most amazing shit on film.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, this is so like meta. Yeah, okay, so in the movie, is he of just a vampire or is he Nosferatu?

SPEAKER_00

He's a vampire with the rule set of Nosferatu. I think his name is actually Nosferatu.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Did he know he was gonna die, or he just like Nosferatu got caught up in the kick? I think he was caught up in it. I I haven't seen that. Someone hasn't learned from reading the script.

SPEAKER_00

I guess seven years since I've seen that movie. Right? I guess. But it's like, how reckless are you? Like Well, I mean, but for for anyone who's seen Midnight Mass, it's like there's that scene at the end that almost doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, but it's also like you read the script, yeah, you know what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00

Well, yeah, but what I was saying, Midnight Mass, the vampire's feeding on somebody and they're stabbing, cutting his wings open. Yeah, he doesn't care because he's so indulgent in the blood. There's a lot of great symbolism in this of like he looks up, he sees the sun is coming, and she says, No, keep feeding on me. And he just goes back down to it. That's such a human thing. But it is something that you understood just from their very subtle, like just storytelling of it. People were talking about the cinematography, and I started watching, and I was like, I feel like this is gonna be very simple. I don't know what if this has really great cinematography, there might be something that comes along like 1917 that just floors it. And then I kept watching it and I was like, there's no reason. I cut I always have to remind myself, there's no reason that something is lesser than because it's simple. The reason I love Paranormal Activity 3, that one shot they have on the oscillating fan when the camera's taped to it, it's oscillating very slowly, and you're already on edge in those movies, yeah, and they introduce that aspect to it, and no one's controlling it, it's just controlling itself. And so whatever you see is what you're gonna see. Yeah, and that makes it 10 times worse, and that was brilliant of them to do because it's a successful franchise, whether you think they're good movies or not, but there's so many slow pans that were unnerving, yeah, and sort of longer takes, not so long takes. Maybe there was, and I kind of miss it because the movie's so beautiful. Yeah, then then by the end, I was like, yeah, incredible, incredible cinematography. It doesn't need to be 1917. The lighting was so cool because I know they went in between black and white and color at some points multiple.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I but I couldn't tell. And I actually liked that because I know they did it, it was very obvious at the beginning when they did it. Did you notice it aga happen again where they went back and forth later?

SPEAKER_01

So I was trying to discern because you know, like sometimes you watch something and it's like, oh, maybe she it's only black and white when she dreams or something like that. Okay, see I but I should have been paying attention to that. I don't I remember noting it more in the beginning, and I can't remember after that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I I I didn't really either.

SPEAKER_01

Like I I should have been paying attention, but it's also it's like, yeah, the lighting, it's like that's part of the story because lighting is very important in this vampire's life.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I see a movie like this, and I'm like, yeah, there is at least one shot where his face is in the frame, but he's out of focus, and that's on on purpose because we haven't seen him clearly yet. But there are times when his face is in focus and he's at a very specific point from the camera, and the lighting is so specific that you can see him and not at the same time. You can see his face and the features of it and not at the same time. Yeah, is really cool. Every detail, every aspect of this, and I I I love sort of fanning out about a movie like this because you see what it is. Maybe the tone, the genre, you know, the dialogue, whatever, even if you Had feelings about the original Nosferatu or Shadow of the Vampire or whatever. And you watch a movie that's so good that it doesn't really matter about that other stuff.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And Nosferatu, at least at this point, with what I'm seeing of people, it's become like a hype thing, kind of like Oppenheimer, where it's like, I wouldn't have assumed so many people would be like, yes, the history of Oppenheimer.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I'm gonna watch three hours of that. Yeah. It was Christopher Nolan. It's was had a huge cast. Yeah. Huge cast of you know Josh Peck and everything. Barbenheimer. Well, yeah, boring or dull movies come out at the same time as great movies or exciting movies, anyways. Yeah. But it had a draw for some reason. And then you watch it and you're like, oh, this is why. Specific movies that people come in to the movie to just talk the entire time. And I'm like, why is Nosferatu a movie that you choose to do that? There's all kinds, there's like red one and stuff. There's all there's like some garbage. And I'm not calling that movie garbage, but there's like viewing garbage that exists.

SPEAKER_01

Probably because that movies like that are there purely for entertainment. This is more artistic, and there's quiet moments, and someone who doesn't really care about movies like that, it's like they could be bored, you know.

SPEAKER_00

But I'm saying we went to Nosferatu and that happened. And I think it's because of the buzz.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it happened as in no one talked?

SPEAKER_00

No, it like people talked to us, and the guy was on the phone. Yeah, yeah. And in my head, I'm like, why would you choose Nosferatu to come and do that if that's what you wanted to do on your night, you know, and you're coming out. And then I think, oh, because there's hype, because it's being seen like Oppenheimer. Subject matter is not gonna excite all those people in the way it did. But I'm sure there were some talking, you know, people and rowdy people that came to Oppenheimer just because they wanted to be there for Oppenheimer. It kind of seemed that way. Man and woman, and they're talking to each other, and the guy picks up the phone.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I could hear the person on the other line.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, because I like heard the murmuring.

SPEAKER_01

But like the the wife was at least like, shh, but how about just don't be on the fucking phone at all?

SPEAKER_00

Well, yeah. And I I I didn't know that they were shushing. I think she did it like once.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

That I mean that's that's it gives me hope.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. It wasn't as annoying as other people are. Yeah. Because at least it was like quiet enough.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. But I just like what I mean, you know, it's a free country. And you can go, like, you can buy a ticket to a water park and then you can go and chat in line, and that's your right to do that. Like, that's almost a no-brainer. And, you know, you there's nothing against the law where you can come into a movie and chat. There are very nice disclaimers before every movie saying don't talk, don't text, don't do all these things. And they, I think they did all of that stuff next to us with the with the notification light that flashes a strobe light in a dark movie. Like the darkest movie. Yeah, the dark, the darkest movie I've seen in years. I'm just trying to dissect like what if people plan on it just being like a dick around night. Oh, oh. Or it's like they get there and they just are feel compelled, they're like, I don't because this is a movie, you kind of have to really pay attention. You have to listen. I think people don't care. Well, it's like they, you know, even though we we do AMC stubs and we we s we we still pay monthly, you're still paying something, and they we we could assume maybe that they paid individual tickets.

SPEAKER_01

But you're talking about people who appreciate movies and film, people who don't care do whatever, first of all, and then don't people who are inconsiderate don't realize that other people around them might care, you know?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I've given up on people being considerate.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, we haven't even talked about the movie yet. Yeah, we have not enough. We keep going on tangents and it's unsatisfying. No, no, no, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, never even answer my question about what was happening with Aaron Taylor Johnson.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, no, so we were talking about, yeah, like Nosferatu's shadow is a plague inherent.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so he's just bringing this illness, even though he straight up physically killed the wife and kids, his the general illness that people are feeling.

SPEAKER_00

I think it's sort of, and again, I need to, I probably need to watch a breakdown video, but I think it sort of was embodied by all those rats that came with him. I do still think it's a plague of a curse that's touching everybody, but then they make it like, oh, there's physical rats coming from Transylvania to this city, this town, to embody the symbolism of it. I mean, I could be totally wrong, and it's like there he he does actually have a virus plague that he that's in these rats and he set the rats free on the on the city. It could be a combination of both.

SPEAKER_01

It's just like the people that should be affected are the ones who were actively trying to stop him and kill him.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it should be why why isn't this doctor, Willem Defoe, like doubled over in his bed like he's sick? Like that would be smart for Nosferatu. I don't know, you know, and the guys helping him and and uh well, but uh Nicholas Holt was sort of halfway cured by the other people, sorry.

SPEAKER_01

So after Nosferatu was feeding on him, then he had a connection to Nosferatu and his wife in that they were kind of experiencing the same things.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because she's been connected to him for a while. So is it it's like kind of possession, but not uh uh it's sort of Voldemort, you know, he's like in Harry, but not really. Okay. He should have sent everybody over to the people that are sorry, the G word. And then said it a bunch, right? He should have said the whole thing, he's like, hey guys, I know where to go. We got these people will heal us all. And then Nosferatu's like, they went back. Also, Nosferatu, I guess I understand he's got to travel in darkness. He took a ship. I mean, how many he was multiple days, right? That he a journey. Yeah. So I guess Nosferatu couldn't have done that because he needed to be with uh away from the sunlight. He's just banking on leaving and arriving at nighttime.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah. Okay, so the ship is wretched and all those rats coming out. That's him planting himself in this town, and then he finds a place.

SPEAKER_00

Did you ever see Jurassic Park 2? No, I've never seen anything. We the T-Rex that is sedated that they're bringing to San Francisco for like a park they're building in San Francisco, and the T-Rex becomes unsedated and kills everyone on board, and the ship crashes into the into a port, and then the T-Rex gets off and gets into the city that way. I guess Jurassic Park ripped off Nosferatu. Because that's that's what I saw it to be, because Osferatu's in that box with all those rats. And I guess he kills everybody on board, and the ship just crashes because Osferatu's like, I don't know how to work this boat. The look on Willem Defoe's face when Nicholas Holt's like, you knew he was with my wife the whole time. You knew it earlier today, and he's like, Yeah, that's and he's got his like green goblin face.

SPEAKER_01

He's like, It wouldn't have worked any other way. So you knew that she was gonna sacrifice herself?

SPEAKER_00

You I mean, he was talking about it earlier in the sense that he had to, the girl that he wanted or whatever, had to willingly lay in bed with him. I don't think it said anything about if it did say sacrifice, I didn't see it as like, oh, she's she's allowing herself to die with him. Sacrifice of like laying with him.

SPEAKER_01

The thing was she willingly uh chooses to be with him.

SPEAKER_00

Oh.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, that's what I interpreted, not like lay and we'll have sex to consummate this.

SPEAKER_00

He's I mean, but he was he said it before, before he said it at the end, he said it before, away from Nicholas Holt and said, he's reading the passage out of this book Oh, sorry, Willem Dafoe is? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Because Ms. Fraju was like talking to the freaky boss or whatever. And maybe he said it to her, like, you need to come willingly. Or no, he was talking to the freaky boss, I think. It was like, she needs to come willingly.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah. Yeah, but Willem Dafoe is like, has this book? Did you write it, Willem? I don't know. Like this book that in every movie like this, there's like a demon expert who's got a big old book that tells you the rules. Yet he's the only one seemingly that knows how to do it. But there's this whole, like, someone printed this whole book hundreds of years ago. And there's that image of the woman laying in bed, and there's like a creepy-looking vampire like coming out of the window, sort of on her. And he's reading this text of like how to break the curse of of Nusferatu, the plague of Nusferatu. And it's like the the girl has to willingly, you know, lay with him. And if this word sacrifice was there, I didn't really see it as like, oh, she's definitely gonna die. I didn't remember how Shadow of the Vampire ended. I knew that he killed someone and then died himself. I just couldn't remember who he killed. Gosh, his death. They didn't hold back on this this movie. I like this movie was was really bold with everything. I was just boldly, and even in the casting, even in the random casting of like, you know, not selling out by getting the rock to be in Osperatu, it's like just bold choices with all of it, bold imagery and lighting. Dark lighting is bold, especially now when audiences have short attention spans, quiet dialogue, old English dialogue. You're you're rolling the dice on a lot of things with this, and especially making it as gross as they did.

SPEAKER_01

Um I don't think their target audience is people who will exclusively watch the rock movies.

SPEAKER_00

No, I I yeah, but I'm just saying is like a lot of aspects that they that were bolder in terms of filmmaking now, you get a lot of hype. There's gonna be more of selection of your audience of like they might be younger, they might have shorter attention spans, or they might it might be rock people, you know. Nothing wrong with the rock. That dude has a traveling gym that everywhere he goes, the gym goes.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, that makes sense. I'm sleepy.

SPEAKER_00

You're sleepy, I'm kind of sleepy too.

SPEAKER_01

There's so much more that I want to say that I can't think of right now.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I mean, we could we could do like a part two of this. Well, I we got to what I wanted to talk about, and that's the people the guy on the phone in the in the theater. I've been in theater situations where I'm just like dumbfounded by what's happening or just annoyed, whatever. I don't I don't know. Maybe I have seen somebody in the phone in the theater, but it's probably been a long time. I don't know, I don't recall someone just picking up their phone and just talking like they're at a subway station or something like that.

SPEAKER_01

Honestly, them today far less annoying than other experiences that we've had. Yeah, I would rather that than people who are physically there straight up talking to each other. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I feel like they were doing that too.

SPEAKER_01

I feel like, but they weren't like at least they were trying to kind of stay hushed, even though it wasn't really. But like people who are just so bold and just like walk around everywhere is so annoying. And then there have been people, I feel like, who straight up pick up the phone and it's on speaker. Also, my mom has said that before. I'm like in a movie, yes. I'm like in on speaker, yes. I'm like, what are you doing, lady?

SPEAKER_00

And a gold kidman's gonna come after you. So annoyed. Uh well, I I was watching the conjuring too, maybe, or it was one of the conjurings, and this girl in no, maybe it was Annabelle. I think I was watching Annabelle, and this these young girls were like laughing with each other, and one of them was wearing flip-flops, and flip-flops that were so loose in a way that when you walk up and down stairs, they just like slap up against the bottom of your feet. Yeah, and she's sort of jogging up and down the stairs like while they're joking. It wasn't even like I'm going to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And my mom was with me, and she was like doing the Dane Cook like shush at them. Uh, and it's like, what this is the conjuring. Like I get I get that there's hype around James Wan and stuff, uh, understandably. And then um the nun two that I watched when you are you were out of town, the couple in front of me, and the girl, I guess, was going to the bathroom a handful of times in the movie, and the guy was recording the scenes that she was missing. And when she got back, she would watch them, except you're missing the stuff after. What's like, and I see these things, and I'm not because it's not bothering me. It's not like it's so bright or something. Yeah, when I see something that doesn't make sense to me, yeah, that's more that's more bothering to me than if they're just like, you know, flashing their camera or something. I'm like, what she's missing, what's happening now? And she was watching it once when like a big jump scare happened. And she's like she's like jumping, watching the other stuff on her phone. And I'm like, I yeah, I don't know what to what to do. But anyways, yes, uh, we can be done. We can do uh Nosferatu part two or attack that onto something something else. Um yeah. So yeah, and end of Nosferatu for now.