Becka Hayes

Becka Hayes is an actor/creative who is quite the bomb scene partner. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

I'll have you know. Well, actually, um the the difference between that and germaphone is uh it's like when people make you aware of something that's like really dirty or they think it's really dirty, then I can't get it out of my head. That's a good way to make me accountable for some stuff that's like uh yeah, if someone's like, oh there's all kinds of bacteria from the factory on top of every every can that you open, you need to like wipe it first. Then now that's all I can think about when I get something like that. Even if I know it's like it's I wiped it or it looks clean, I'm just like that's so interesting.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

If somebody told me that, I'd be like, okay, and that's literally every surface ever.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

Okay, and I know I just gosh, I don't know how my teeth are still in my mouth. I as a as a kid, I would have like grape sodas or something. I would open it with my teeth. Yikes. Um so then so that's unhealthy for your teeth, but then also my mouth and tongue, everything are like right on the supposedly really dirty, you know, surface of it. Oh yes. So And look, you're fine. You're still here. Um yeah, my teeth are like crazy strong, I guess. I don't know. They are teeth after all. Anyways, yeah. Years. Years, yeah. And we've been going, I don't know if you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I assumed when the light turned green from Christmas tree to just green.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Yeah. How you usually do it. I need to get something that's a little more. Most people just hold them. Yeah, just I don't know if I want to go for like maybe that's not a bad idea, because you know, if you want to go for like 45 minutes an hour, like holding it up, yeah, then you could also just hang it down and then when you're ready to talk, put it up. I don't know. We could I we could try it. So much work. Yeah, would you want to try that? Or I don't care. I feel like my shit's steady. No, no, it's it's good. Yeah, it's uh unless you know, don't fix something that's not broken. Yeah. I I was thinking about Zayn in Zayn's class today because I've known him for 10 years now. This year is crazy, it's 10 years. Uh when did you start his class?

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Uh um I think I started in 2022. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Yeah, I feel like it was a minute ago, but I just like I feel like being with him and in that class for that long. I don't know how you know, like vampires live like hundreds of years. I don't know how to do it. All this stuff is just blending together with me. Like, and when it comes to his class, like it that being a constant that's always changing, I'm like, I have no idea how long I've known certain people. I feel like I just knew Nick DeVerne, even though it's been like I don't know, like seven years or eight years, maybe. I don't know. But uh yeah, and then and then Brandon still feels new to me, even though he's been is he not? Yeah, I mean he's newer. No, he's newer.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

But he but oh I guess it has been two years since then. Yeah, it's been like a couple years of Brandon. Because I that's how I met Alan was because um I had to do a self-tape, or not a self-tape, I had to do, yeah. I um, you know how like at the time, I'm saying at the time, like you know what I'm talking about. I met Alan because Zayn said that I needed to get a demo reel. And I was like, How do I get a demo reel? And he's like, talk to Alan because he sells them for $300. Yeah. So then I was like, hey, I really want to get this demo reel. And he goes, Okay, great. I got your scene partner, he's coming from Tennessee.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

Yeah, China Newton.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

And I was like, What? He comes in, and that's when I first met him was the demo reel before he even came to class, before he had even moved or anything.

unknown 3:24

Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

Yeah. Yo, nice. Well, hey, nice props to Brandon. So 2022, you were in you came into class.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Yeah, because I worked up here.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Yeah, and um Morgan, Chen. Oh, yeah, yeah. Um, was the host at the time. And I had just I shouldn't say just that year prior, so like let me get the timer. 2020, I moved here for the sake of acting. Quarantine hits a month after I moved here. Because I moved here in February 2020. Quarantine started in March. And then, so I can't go outside, I can't make connections, I can't do anything. Somehow still scored a feature-length film at that point in time. Yeah. Um, and then I did another short film, and then I was like, this shit's for the birds, I fucking hate this shit. Uh, I'm out, I'm never doing it again.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Because I was really depressed, and I had I had um blamed acting for the sake of like for the like the cause of my depression, not realizing that it was literally everything else.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

So then I was like, maybe I'll go back to school and I'll study sociology, or I don't know, I'll figure it out, but for now, like, this is just not it, and I need to find something else. And at the time, I was a teller at the bank. So then I was like, I'm gonna quit and I'm gonna do something else. Yeah. So then I became a server and I really liked it because I could meet new people and I was constantly making connections. And so I kind of was just like, okay, one foot in front of the other, this is this is cool. And then I think I had told one of my coworkers that I had a past life I had done acting or whatever a past life, even though it was only a year ago. And then Morgan caught wind of that information.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

And so she runs up to me and she's like, Oh my gosh, I heard you're an actor. I was like, I am not an actor. Who told you that? Like, I was pissed.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

And then she was like, Oh, well, so and so told me. And I do classes on Thursdays um at the like this studio right here.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

Yeah, right next door.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Right next door. And I was like, that's really cool. I don't care. And then kept doing my job. And she was like, You should come with me. And I was like, no, I I I don't care for acting, it's not my thing. Yeah. And she was like, Why? And I was like, I can't give you a solid reason, to be honest. Um, okay, when is it? She's like, it's on Thursday mornings. When it was right, Thursday mornings. And I was like, I think at the time I would I had work at 4 p.m. every day. I would sleep until three, yeah, get up, go to work, and then get off my shift, sleep until like my next shift. Nice, super depressing. And so I was like, Oh, I'm really busy on Thursday mornings, yeah, sleeping. Um, and she's like, You should come. So then I think I canceled on her like three times over. And then finally I was like, you know what? What's the harm in going? And then seeing that the they they all suck, and then I'm just never gonna go again.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

So I went and we had a scene together, and I remember watching and having to hold my tongue because I wanted to give so many notes to everybody in the class. And I was I because in my head, I'm like, I went to school for this shit. Yeah, and these dumb fucks just walked in here and think that they know what they're doing, and I wanted to like say everything. I remember kept raising my hand, and Zayn was like, that's not your role, you need to calm down.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Hey, that I mean, but no, props to Zayn, because I yeah, you also hadn't been in that environment, so like it wasn't it wasn't a thing, like you you had trained and everything, but props to Zayn, because I've been in that situation, and it's like when you do it for a while, you understand why you don't want someone doing it to you. Like it's like a you know, it's a vulnerability thing. It's a thing of like I'm here to be vulnerable with the coach and not with this person who's either my scene partner or just another person who's doing the same thing. It's like even on professional sets, they're like, you don't get caught like acting like the director, and it's more of like a just you don't want other people to feel like you have different intentions than you have. Right. Because I know you would have had great intentions, yeah. But it's uh just a it's just a weird, like unspoken thing.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

Well, and in school, it was always like, okay, now the classroom gives their feedback.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

And so I had that in my head, like that's how things should run. Not realizing that just because like I had experience in the past, look at where I just came from. I gave up on it. I have no right to be telling anybody else what to be doing.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

So did you stop your program like during it or no?

SPEAKER_01 7:48

Like I graduated with a degree in acting. Okay, I got you, I got you. But then that was in 2019. Yeah. I moved to Atlanta in 2020. That's not giving up on it. But no, but I mean in the and when the story that I escaped, like I I moved here and then was like, I'm done with this. I'm never touching it again. Okay. For a whole year. Yeah. And then that's when Morgan ran into me and was like, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

At the year mark she ran into you?

SPEAKER_01 8:10

I think I had stopped truly pursuing acting, like maybe February 2021. I met her in like January 2022.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

I got you.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Yeah. So literally, yeah, literally a year. It's like, okay, you took a year off now. I'm getting you back in. But she had no idea. Yeah. She was just like, oh, this is this fun thing that I like to do sometimes. And I was like, okay, fine. And then when I after the scene or the after the uh class was done, I was like, I have to come back. Because this I it ignited the spark in me of like, this is what you're meant to do. Yeah. And stop yeah, getting around the bush about it.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

Especially like with that particular class, like the people who have been in and out of there. I was thinking about it today because I was thinking about you. I did go, I mean, I'm not gonna say names because I don't know if I remember who it was, but I think I do. But like I had to, I joined the union like a couple years ago, and then I went to like a SAG event thing downtown that like they have like coffee meetings and stuff that are great. It's like you meet these people and people you don't know that's in the union and they share things with you, and it's really it's a nice time, but there was a guy who like in the lobby of this place where just chatting, you know, it's a it's a bunch of small talk, it's like go with somebody or hang on to somebody the whole time, type of type of thing, you know. And I feel bad for for the one guy that I did, but no, but there was this one guy who we were just talking about training, and I was like, Yeah, I'm up uh Zayn Stevens studio in Duluth. And he does one of those, like, huh? I was like, Yeah, Zayn's Zane Stevens. Uh I was like, he's in the Union too, he couldn't be there, be here today. And he's like, No, no, I know the name. Yeah, he's like, Yeah, Duluth, I feel like I've heard Duluth's pretty dry up there. I'm like, I don't know why I understand putting your foot in your mouth. Yeah, I do it all the time. Like when you say something and you realize, oh, I shouldn't have said that to that person. Yeah, but I'll I never understand the whole like you you hear somebody say something about like, oh, they do this thing, they like this thing, whatever. And then you're like, yeah, no, it's not great. Like just like step all over it. Yeah, I it's so weird. It's like a it's so awkward. I didn't know the guy, so it's even more awkward, yeah. Yeah, but uh yeah, so anyways, um, but but to the point of that, I I like it. I like kind of that it feels it's been like kind of untapped for a while because you have you've had people like you, yes, obviously, but like the the Up Churches and Nick Duverne many years ago, but um but then like uh uh like Ricky and Terry had this. I mean, I'm gonna end up naming everybody, but like, but I also thought of Grace, who was not here for that long, but she was here like you were here for like all of her time here, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like in like incredible scene partner to have. And you know, and like life she moved and life's taken her and into other things, but yeah, like it's so it's so not, I feel like what people would think because Duluth is kind of like uh separated a little bit. And I think I think we just got lucky. Yeah, I think Zayn got lucky and we all got lucky, yeah. Uh that it's just what it is and the consistency for him, but then also like for uh scene partners that that push you, because you do need that. It's unfortunate if you're in a place where you can't have that. So yeah, dude. And we've done I feel like we've done a zillion scenes together, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:25

Yeah, at this point.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Um yeah, dude. I yeah, I like when you started doing stuff in there, I feel like either I probably heard you talk about your school, but I feel like I just I knew it that you that you had been in like a theater training type atmosphere. Because I come from that too, and yeah, I feel like you can kind of see it on people of like they've been through some kind of military style acting shit. Yeah. Yeah, it's like you have you have like the type of ego that you should have, but then just like a really calculatedness to you. But but then also you deliver good things on top of that because you I've seen some people with all that and then they then they can't really execute it. Uh but then I see that and I'm like, okay, she's she's been around the block. She knows. Right. So yeah, dude. I mean, what did you like did you like do it in high school or like what what brought you to it? Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Uh no, I thought acting was super lame in high school because I went to a Christian school, and so um all of the shows that we were doing were like biblical. God spelled or no, oh, actually like I I don't even I honestly couldn't even tell you the names of them because they were so boring. And they would like, because I went to a private school, they would force us to be the audience for the show. Yeah. So we would like take a field trip to go watch the show, and then we were all falling asleep because they're just giving these monologues about, I don't know, Ecclesiastes 3.13 or something. That this is like, what is this? And then I was just like, man, this is for the birds. Why would anyone want to do this? Yeah. What really sparked my interest in the whole thing was I wanted to be a YouTuber out of high school. Nice. And I thought it was the coolest thing ever. And I started up a YouTube channel. I was like, this is gonna be my thing, and I sat my parents down. I was like, this is my thing, I'm gonna do it. I'm not gonna go to school, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And my dad has a PhD in chemistry from Harvard. My mom has a master's degree in chemistry from Cornell. I remember you telling me that, yeah. So not going to school in their mind, not an option. Like to be successful, you have to go to college.

unknown 13:24

Gosh.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

So yeah, I get that.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

Yeah. So then I decided to study film because I was like, well, my mom was like, maybe since you already know what you want to do in front of the camera, you can learn about lighting and equipment and editing and all this stuff. So I started doing that, and then I was piggybacking off of other people to get good grades, and I realized that I was jealous of the people that were in front of the camera.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

So then I was like, I want to switch my major, but I didn't realize that until my junior year.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

I transferred schools and I was taking a class, it was just an elective called um acting for the non-major.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

The professor pulled me aside and he was like, What the fuck are you doing? I was so taken aback because one, I've never had a professor curse at me before, let alone the F bomb. So I was like, um, I uh I'm so sorry. What do you mean? And he was like, You obviously have a passion for this. Why are you not pursuing it? And I was like, Oh, well, I'm a junior and like I'd like to graduate on time and I'm not paying for school, my parents are, so I'm just kind of like going with the flow. And then he was like, You do realize that I have the power to move your credits around to where you can still graduate on time with an acting, like as your major. Nice. And I was like, No way, let's go. So then my second semester, my junior year, I started my first like semester of acting classes.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

Where so I'm like 20 at the time, and everybody else in my classes has been doing acting since they were like in middle school, like elementary. And I'm like, I've never done this before, and I don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

So that was really tough because you know, teachers have been playing favorites, and thankfully, because I was a film major prior to, I knew a bunch of people that needed actors for their film projects. So I started with film as soon as I started acting. Um, and then I just like have always loved it since then. And yeah, I obviously have done theater. Um, and I and I love the ensemble so much and I ball every single time a show is over. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

Um yeah, you're in you're in Tuck, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:22

I was in, yeah, Hunchback of Notre Dame, and then Tuck, and then Something Rotten.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Yeah. And then Which I I didn't see um Hunchback, but I saw the other two. And I uh gosh, I didn't know Tuck Everlasting, and then I kind of saw what the story was, and then the finale was happening, and I was like holding my face like convulsing because I was like, no, this is so it was it's so sad. Yeah, it was very sad. I couldn't tell. That's great. I mean, Red Phoenix is great. I couldn't tell if um if it was like, oh, the script is just doing its job and the music, because you can definitely you can just sort of escape by if the material is really good. But then also I looked at everyone's faces and I was like, oh like Stacia and oh my gosh. Yeah. Um like one of yeah, it's like kind of cheap. Some of those stories are written, like it sort of plays at the heartstrings of like what would be the saddest circumstance if you could bend like the laws of our universe or whatever of like oh, we make one person immortal and they could have to see this person they love grow up or something. Yeah, yeah. It's awful. And I've never seen Age of Adeline. I'm sure it's kind of the same. You know what I'm talking about? Uh-uh. It's not the time to get into that because Blake Lively and do you know what's going on with all that? No. Oh god.

unknown 16:34

What?

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Well, the movie is like she's immortal and she like has a guy she loves and then has to leave him for I guess she doesn't want people to know she's immortal. Oh, Blake. Well, um okay, okay, okay, okay. And then like the guy she loves, like she uh ends up running into him when he's like an old man and it's Harrison Ford, and it's like a scene of like you see it, like you see everything on her face. I hate giving her credit because I don't really like what's going on with her right now, but uh this is great. This is great for the show. It comes from me, even though I don't have all the details. Uh and I'll take a sip of this uh water. Parched. Yeah, I will say, uh, from what I have seen from Age of Adeline, uh, great internal acting from her, and then great like she she did a movie called The Shallows, that's actually really good, where she's like stranded on some rocks in the ocean, and there's like a shark trying to kill her, and and it's just her in the movie, so it's like she carried it pretty well. But so there's my fairness to her. So she did a movie called Oh God, a movie called the It Ends With Us. And uh they did the movie, the movie came out, and it was like whispers of like, oh, there's like some drama going on, which happens, you know. But then she made some claims about like he he had I think sexual harassment or something. So yeah, I'm sorry. Uh I just said he. Because I know the stories I talked about the story with both of them in mind. So there's a guy named Justin Baldoni who was in the movie and he he was the lead guy and he directed it. In the shallows? So no. A friend of sorry, what was that about uh shit?

SPEAKER_01 18:13

It ends with us. It ends with us.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

It ends with us. And uh it's like a it was a it was a novel. It's uh it's about like um domestic violence. Oh like, yeah, like uh being in a bad relationship, the excuses you make, and all that's and it's so it's obviously really heavy content. And uh this guy, from what I know, this guy's like a super I hate, I hate when like when like the because look, I'm progressive guy, but I hate when the woke shit like eats itself. So he's like a has a podcast where he's like he has a man bun. He like talks about like you know, feminine things, like because he won he which you should do by the way. You should men are vulnerable and everything, and uh there's nothing wrong with that. But then he immediately, like, right when she comes out with that, like no investigation or anything like that, he gets thrown under the bus. Immediately, like they try to cancel him. Story, story, story, story. Like he's saying his side of it. What we come to find out is that they had been like texting each other during the filming of the movie, and it sounded from some text like she was trying to come onto him. There's no like witness accounts of this stuff happening, like anything on set, like people kind of vouch for him on set. There's also like emails that they found that they try to destroy, that uh the court subpoenaed them between like Blake and her team, I don't know, like publicity team or whatever, and like a friend of hers that was in the movie too, talking about how they wanted to ruin the guy, which is actually pretty criminal. If you I that's vile, yeah. And so, and it was her, like she was the one that made it a case and like broke the stuff out. So all this stuff coming out, like discrediting her like rep, you know, reputation of like you know, being credible and like being credible in the situation, like all that is just collapsing. And Taylor Swift was on her side for some reason and uh stayed stayed on her side, I think, through seeing or knowing that she was doing something like this. So there's like people feel weird about Taylor now. Some. I mean, everyone loves Taylor Swift still, but but yeah, I mean, but if if you look into it, uh what I can say, there's a lot of stuff that I've left out, but what I can say is if you look into it, you're very unlikely to find something that's uh defending her side of it. Which is crazy because in this time and this day and age, like we we tend to like side with the woman if something like this is happening, if there's like sexual harassment or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 20:37

It makes me think of um Amber Heard and uh Yeah, it's it's one of those, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

It's literally one of those situations. It's not as crazy, I don't think. And you know, I feel sorry for the guy if you know if he indeed is innocent of you know of anything, yeah, then she and her husband Ryan Reynolds were trying to like were conspiring to just ruin this guy and use their sorry, this truly is good, man. Use their power and influence to like to to to cancel the guy.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Yeah, it sucks because it's on the one hand, so many horrible situations get swept under the rug because uh there's no evidence, so to say, other than like she said it happened, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Yeah, yeah um I think I think she I don't know. I I don't want to say the wrong thing. I think maybe she got someone else that was there to say, like, oh, he had done something, but I don't think there was enough that verifies anything, like any story that she told.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

Yeah, I mean it is odd that she would bring it to light knowing how much publicity it would get and yeah, what scrutiny he would be under.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Yeah. And the they like I think it has something to do with this is where I'm I don't know the stuff. I think it had something to do with who had like producer rights, like more producer rights or something. So uh something like that. So we so it points to motive of like her having a problem with him. Because of that rather than some random thing that she says that you did or something. So yeah. I bring him up. Oh, Age of Adeline because of the yeah. Oh wow. Talk ever last. This is what a podcast should be. Um, I love it. This see, it's so boring without this. Yeah, I was like, I don't know how we got here. Yeah, no, no, yeah. Man, I feel like I have some kind of ADHD when I edit this stuff. Because I'm like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna do two more minutes of this. And I'm like, but I'm I'm on a roll though. Yeah, I'll do 10 more minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get hyperfixated. It's very, yeah, it's like very satisfying, like because you get to like when you're editing audio, you see it and you can see I I know from looking at it where I said um, just because of what they what it looks like. Oh, interesting. Um, yeah. Uh but I I'll I'll keep like if it's connected to a word like um like this, then I'll have to keep that and because it's hard to chop it. But if uh I do one of those, then I'll cut that out. I guess I'll have to leave it, or else it wouldn't it won't make sense on this episode. But um yeah. Oh geez.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Yeah, so we're talking about theater and uh well I had a random question.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Um for some reason I was thinking about extroversion versus introversion the other day, and I asked ChatGPT what it thought that I am, because I unfortunately use Chat GPT so much that it's my personal at this point.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

I remember you telling me that you had some well, which I'm not saying that it needs to put therapists out of a job, but you can find a way to make it work. I don't actually maybe I shouldn't say that because some some people have committed suicide because of what their AI said.

unknown 23:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

I remember that.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

So maybe I think AI is very nice to me.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Uh that puts the but that's also everyone's big issue is that it's it kisses your ass too much.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

But it I don't think it kisses my ass. Okay. Uh like what I mean is um if I ask for criticism, it gives me criticism. Nice. If I ask for it to uh because I'm very extremely introspective.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

This is the situation that happened. Can you help me assess what happened here and how I could have done better?

unknown 24:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

And it'll say, yeah, this is where you could have enhanced these things and don't beat yourself up for this part because of XYZ thing. If you want to view it from the other person's perspective, here's the take, blah, blah, blah. And it helps out a lot. I think it's it gives you whatever you feed it.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

But anyway, my point is from extroversion versus introversion. Yeah. I've always uh said that I'm an extrovert because I believe that the definition of extrovert is that you get your energy from being around people, and introvert is you get your energy from being by yourself.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Wow, that's I feel like no one treats it like that anymore. But I think that is annoying is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

Yeah, because a lot of people are like, oh, extroverted equals outgoing. No, it does not at all. That's not what that means.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

This is like perfect podcast material. Yay. This is you know, like you hear you overhear someone listening to theirs in some some audiobook or whatever, if like the the extroverted way to do this would be in front of your subconscious. I don't know. Um maybe I'm just delusional at this point. Yes, that's so that's great. I actually am glad that you clarified that for me because in that way, I've always felt like maybe I'm shifting on one side or the other. That way, I definitely feel like more of an extrovert. Oh, interesting. Because I do like being alone and like I'm productive when I'm alone in solitude. You know, sometimes I'll need like just for my head or whatever. Yeah, like if I'm hanging out like with some buddies, it's like I'm way more like active and like hyper and whatever, like bouncing around ideas.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

So it's interesting though, because like the word ambidextrous means you can use both your hands. Yeah. So ambivert means that you're both. So I think that I'm an ambivert, leaning towards extroversion because I do get my energy from being being around people, but it depends on the person. If you're soul sucking and such a negative energy to be around, I have to exude so much effort to be around you. And that's draining is almighty fuck. So I would say that the people that I consider close and the people that bring give me life make me feel more energetic and thus extroverted. But if I'm like, for instance, I come home from work, I am depleted. I'm spent. I have to be around those same people. Some of them are great, some of them I come home and I pass out for an hour. Not because like I didn't sleep enough the night before, but just because that was exhausting and it doesn't feed me in the way that, for instance, acting does. If I got to do acting every day, man, I'd barely ever sleep because I'd just be so energized by the people that I'm around.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Yeah. Can I can I tell you something kind of dark that I realized here about just acting and if you're passionate about it and whatever. I I've I mean I've known this, but I kind of put it into words in a conversation with somebody the other day. And it's helping me to understand what I'm what I've been feeling the past few years. When you're when you're on like the next biggest type of project in terms of an actor, like job or whatever. I mean, it could be anything. Like your first thing is just saying one word like in a commercial or something, or um or like one line in a show or something. When you get to that point, you have an experience, you have no frame of reference for that in your head. And the average person doesn't, which means that even saying one line on a TV show is something that technically a human being is not supposed to experience. Yeah. You experience it with all your senses, whatever. And you might be nervous, or even if you're not, like it's you're treated very well, it's all of a sudden not a class, and you spend way like you spend like 99% of your time as an actor in an environment that's not like the professional environment. Even like the people working all the time, I feel like they're still training and stuff, and you're not on set all the time, unless you're just on a soap opera or something like that. But yeah, especially like some people who aren't A-listers, like you're you're training, you're auditioning, you're doing whatever, you're not in that environment. And when you are in that environment, there's like no pressure. There's not the pressure of like, oh, a teacher's gonna tell you you're doing something wrong. You're like your own boss, you're there like as your own entity, and you do the thing you're supposed to do, and then you go. Might be with like some actors that you know or that are famous, and then you're feeling really good about your work, whatever, but you're there in the environment where everything is heightened in terms of like what you're passionate about. You're like, whoa, wow, I got like two in this whole team around me, I got these two cameras, and everything is just sort of like magnify magical in that way, where it's like, I really only imagined something like this, and now I'm doing it. So this happened to uh was you know, he called Zayn in the middle of the night when in the middle of shooting it, just because he was like, I just I just need someone to chat with, like, I just need like a person right now. And and I I didn't really fully understand why he had done it. And Zayn was like, Yeah, you know, he was just kind of feeling like the whiplash of like the experience or whatever. But when I went and did um SEAL team, I had like a full day of four scenes, and I had a shit ton of dialogue, and it was a lot of pressure, but I ended up like everything was uh like made easy for me, and my scene partner was amazing. And here I was like on a Hollywood set, and there's like you know, all this stuff, like the top, top of the line, like what it would be for a show, like in this in this industry, in this career. And uh I was in my shower that night in the hotel, and I just sat on the ground and I was like, I feel so sad, and I felt great about my my performance in it, so it's not like I had regrets, like, oh man, I suck today or something. I actually felt pretty good about it when I was there. I felt so sad. And uh I think I texted Zayn, I didn't call him, but I I think it's a thing where your mind and your body, like I that's amazing for the A-listeners to be able to do it as much as they do, or like people who are on shows and stuff. Uh, because it's like it's almost like a drug. It's almost like if your body reacts to a drug that way, it's been taken away from you. And even the day of that's what was so it's kind of scary to me. Like it was like the whole day was amazing, it was awesome. I was in my shower that night. I was like, fuck me, this is awful. It's just a weird feeling. So yeah, I mean, I you definitely deserve, I think, to be at that level. But I would just know, I think if you know ahead of time that it's gonna, you know, I need to just relax and do my job and and be kind in the environment, which you are, you are all those things. I think if you're aware that it's like, okay, I know that this is a big experience, and I, you know, I think your mind's gonna be fine. But yeah, I feel like I was just trying to calm myself all day that I was like, this is normal, this is cool. And then the new normal is like taken away. And now for like several years for me, so um three years. It's a whiplash. Yeah, it's a well, not not I I I did one thing after the strikes in terms of LA, but one day thing, but uh yeah, it's a it's a horrible whiplash of again, something that a person is not supposed to experience, right? And so you have like the rock stars who get into trouble and um like Elvis dying how he did, and Marilyn Monroe getting to into issues, and Justin Bieber and Michael Jackson, and it's like those guys are like at the highest point of this thing that humans aren't supposed to experience with their brain. So I totally understand some of the stuff that they did. Yeah, I didn't but I also can say I don't know what it's like to even be that.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Well, uh because it's a it's a never-ending hustle. Yeah, the hustle never stops.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

And to keep up the same way that they do in Wolf Street, you take some drugs to keep up with how intense it is at all times of the day. And then you go, you get in your mark, you do the thing, and then you go off, and then you have to hustle to get to do that again.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Yeah, dude. And uh poor Judy Garland, because that was like Hollywood was new. Sorry to the listeners, I don't remember how she died, but she it could have been from the drugs because they Hollywood was like, take all these Percocets, I think it was Percocets, uh, because it's it'll make you up, it'll make you be your young girl self that you need to be. And that's what was going on during Wizard of Oz, and um and they the producers had no frame of reference of like how do we shape a woman to be this starlet, and she had no frame of reference of like how did so-and-so do it before me. So yeah, they they fucked her up, dude.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

Who is the singer? Um Amy Winehouse.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Yeah, dude. That was yeah, and uh Kurt Cobain, and yeah, there's all this stuff. I feel bad when those people are killed by not that, like uh Phil Hartman. No, oh jeez. Oh man, Phil Hartman, the actor who his wife shot him while he was in bed. Yeah, I know it's a sad story. I don't know why I was laughing because it it's no, I guess the the the realization of like it's something totally avoidable, and he was like he was like a huge comedy guy. He was like in a lot of stuff, and uh it just really sucks that was she jealous or happened. People that do him say that they were telling him to get away from her, that she was like a crazy, like abusive type person. Yeah, she I guess he was asleep or is in the morning or something, and she shot him and then pulled her kids into a bathroom, and I think she had plans on killing them and then herself, but then SWAT came in and then she just offed herself. So it was yeah. I don't know. Are the kids still alive? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They are, I'm pretty sure. What a whoa, what that was yeah. Um, I didn't this was kind of a to detour on this story was a lot, I know.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

No, I mean, it's just literally as an actor, just thinking from an actor's perspective of uh having to play one of those children, for instance, like in a movie.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:02

What a story to say that my dad was shot by my mom and then my mom killed herself because a SWAT came in on her. And here I am. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

I think I think maybe they got them out before she did or something, but the fact that the SWAT was even there. Like it just what what's what it what is that? Well, I think because people knew that someone had been shot and that they called the cops.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

For some reason, this is super left, but this just makes me think of um the um P. Diddy, not biography, the P Diddy, not the P. Diddy files. The thing that um 50 Cent came out with on Netflix. Have you seen that? I haven't. Someone told me it was crazy. It's really well done, first of all. And second of all, holy what in the what? Because he started off as just like uh like a Kanye West, just some weird dude that really liked to make some music. I don't know. This probably better. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

No, no, no. I I agree, but I know what you mean, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

Um he was just a quirky guy, yeah. And you know, there's just a little, there's something a little off about him, and he was a mama's boy, and then he got into the wrong crowds, and then just the thing got to his head, and he was just the power made him evil as fuck. And he, I'm pretty sure, is the reason that Tupac died. I'm like according to the the shit that came out.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

Yeah, that's I I heard whispers of that, but I didn't yeah, but but yeah, he said it was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

He said it he said like at the end of every he was like like mouth open, like yeah, and um notorious BIG, I'm pretty sure, pass away same way. And uh so it's just like so weird to think about this thing that we're not supposed to experience and what it causes humans to do.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

Also, this makes me think, sorry, segue. Do you think that humans are animals?

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Animals? Yeah, yeah. Oh no, of course. I okay. I think like people have theories that uh aliens made us. Wait. Or or that something Do you believe in aliens? Or that we'll we'll get to that.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Um you're gonna loop every single, you're just gonna call this podcast aliens because every single one is not aliens.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Yeah, I guess so. Geez, I think I'm gonna ask every well, you know, if I talk to like Nick Damore as a flight attendant, I have another friend Tautan who's a flight attendant. If I talk to them about what they did, I'll obviously ask them about air traffic stuff and all that, if they've seen anything. But yeah. Yeah, but people think either we're made by aliens or that something divine really did make us like a like a Christian god or something like that. Because we're we are biologically animals, like you can see it in the DNA and everything, but we're like so wildly different in a particular way, which you know, like chimps and dolphins and stuff are close to us, uh octopi, apparently, um, which is nuts, which they think that's an alien. But uh but yeah, but we're just like too different in terms of like how our brain evolved. I'm thinking of so many other segues I can go off on in this. They the stoned ape theory is that we were apes, and then we came across psychedelic mushrooms in in the poop of herds of animals, and we ate the mushrooms and uh we ate the poop, and our brains evolved because they started just taking it and being like, oh, what is this? This is amazing. Um, and they were like seeing God, and and then they have their brain evolved that way, is what that theory was about. Oh, interesting. Um, yeah, or we were just created to evolve a certain way. Which which supports the alien theory and Christianity and any other religion that has like a you know a god who made people.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

Um Do you believe do you believe in a higher power? And is that power an alien?

SPEAKER_00 37:35

Uh so here's I do believe in a higher power. Oh, interesting. Okay. But my mind is open. And here, gosh, I hate well, I'm also burping right now. I hate uh when I said this in another episode. I hate when um like a church or a subsection of religion or something is like, this is definitely this is the hard, hard, concrete evidence, every little thing that you should do to be a good member of this religion. I think the the point of it is that we, you know, it's faith. So we don't have it right in front of us. It happened like ever so many years ago. You're believing in this thing, and that's what the religion is. If it was as solid as math, it would be called math, you know, or it'd be called history or science. So that's why it is what it is. So I'm my mind is open to the possibility that uh gosh, that um, you know, science supports different dimensions with second dimension, third dimension, and then it goes on from there. So heaven with that concept of that could be another dimension. Extraterrestrial life could be coming from that. Or us from the future, if we discovered how to travel through it, and we would probably use that same way to do time travel if we ever found it out. And uh it would explain a lot of stuff that we can explain. I don't know that we were made by I don't think I I don't think we were made by aliens. I think they're they're either us or there's something else, or uh so you believe in aliens. Yeah, yeah. So what's going on has to be something, and I'm glad that you brought this up because I've already done two episodes about aliens, but uh I'm glad that you brought this up in the way of like with the stigma of like, uh, aliens, it's kind of it's at a point. I uh people who have heard this are gonna hear it again. So if if your daughter says um there's a monster under my bed, I mean there's no science, really tangible science that's saying like you need to go right now and get ready to fight a monster. You know what I mean? Like it because it's your daughter, because that's kind of impossible, you also know the space under there. It's just their imagination. It's not really a solid reason to use government funding to go look under your daughter's bed, right? But if if you're hanging out, your whole fame is upstairs, your ring camera goes like has an alert that someone's at the door, but then no one comes in, and then your daughter comes upstairs and she says, There's a man downstairs, and then we hear a noise downstairs as well. That's way more than enough evidence to go check things out, right? That's where we're at with aliens. We have we have enough, and you might not just rolled her eyes. No, no, I didn't no no no no no no.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

That wasn't rolling my eyes, that was me very calculating. Yeah, no, no, because yeah, I've never put here's the thing. I was about to segue this conversation again from aliens to dinosaurs, but we're gonna stick here for a second because I've never put any thought more than maybe five, ten seconds into aliens at all. So I don't have any uh preconceived notion, nor do I have like a stance on if aliens exist or not. Yeah. I'm literally just you're teaching a newborn child what aliens are from perceptions.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Which, yeah, that's that's what it should be. We should be like the people who have the answers to all this, because there's a lot of options of what it could be. The word alien might not even be correct, but what is your definition of alien? Of well, of like what this thing is or what like what I would think an alien is. What's the difference? Because the thing, whatever the thing is, the phenomenon, the beings, the technology, whatever it could be, is is real. Like whatever it is that people are seeing and what the government has been working on that we have credibility of. Like the Area 51, is that a thing? Yeah, like uh the there are places out there that where they are supposedly trying to re-engineer things that have crashed. So they're like they're they have scientists, and here the there's a guy named Bob Lazar that came forward because he was afraid for his life, because he basically he was uh an engineer, like propulsion stuff, and they hired him a government program and he went out to a place called S4 that's by, I think by area 51. But he went out there and he was thrown into this. And by the way, like the different groups of people who are working on different things don't talk to each other because of the disclosure stuff. So you can't really learn fast because you don't have stuff from other teams because of disclose, like, yeah, non-disc disclosure stuff. He apparently was working with somebody on this craft that had crashed, and they said, figure out how this works and see if you can make it for us, is what the US was telling him. And he said it was like a small craft that had like an anti-gravitational pulse field where you would try to touch something and you couldn't because just like it was like a magnet almost, like resistance. And if that's real, then that's what these crafts have been using to move because they move really fast, like instant instantaneously. And there's no jet fuel that you can see coming out or anything like that, combustion. So it's like a different propulsion that we're not aware of physics-wise. He's gone a lot, his wife can't know what he's working on because he's uh NDA about it, and his wife thinks, oh, he's cheating on me. And so his wife starts cheating on him. And uh this is the alleged story, and uh, the government had tapped his house because they knew that or that he's working for them, so they want to make sure he's not talking about this stuff. And they find out because his phone is tapped that his wife's cheating, and they're like, he's gonna be unstable if he finds out, so we need to fire him. And so they fire him, he doesn't know why. And then uh he tells his friends about it because he's mad, and they go out to the edge of the site to like watch stuff, and he said that they saw stuff flying, and then they came out there and they arrested him or whatever, and then he uh basically came forward because he feared for his life after that, because he was saying people were like following him, and I think he's the one who was shot at at on the highway or something. But he tells these crazy stories, but there's so much of it that you can verify, and there's so much of it uh scientifically from the 80s to now that has been proven in terms of our science, in terms of like uh propulsion like that, he was describing in the 80s, and we didn't know anything about it until the crafts that we've been seeing flying around. And then there was also a an element that he claimed to be real while he was there in the 80s. He was telling a story, he said, this element is real, it's not our periodic table of elements. But it's real in a super collider experiment, like 20 years later or something, it was actually created for like a few seconds by a science team somewhere. I don't know, whoever works on a super collider. So it became a thing, like 20 years after he said it was a thing. And um, like his school records and work records were all like deleted, and so you can't verify that he went to Yale, I think it was, but people who were there with him remember him there. So, and then this other science place that he was at, uh, research place. So uh there's a it's hard to, and he's been telling the same details since the 80s, which is hard to do if you're lying. So, I mean, I don't know, there's a lot to there's government, there's uh Congress people who are going crazy about it, like AOC is really passionate about it. Uh oh, yeah, uh like things that isn't really talked about, and then Trump's pushing for it right now a lot. So, and it could be a distraction, but they're also giving us some info. Like they're yeah So the aliens are real.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

Yes. Then what is that? Why is this such a fascination? What does that do?

SPEAKER_00 45:04

Uh you're right. That's a good point. Because uh I was talking to Judy about it, and you know, we think like, yeah, even if you saw a flying saucer right now, right above us, still go to work tomorrow. Right.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

It's not a flying saucer, okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

Yeah, um life has to be still do.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

Yeah, there's rent. Sorry. Um we get that to you next week. Um yeah, but I I think it's I think it's important, really. The plot of disclosure day, that movie that came out, of like the breas and you didn't you didn't hear about it? It's a Steven Spielberg movie that just came out.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Who's that? No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

No, I know Spielberg, yeah, at least this guy basically was like, you know who Snowden is? The guy who basically like he's a guy that I live I'm a Patrick Star.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

I live under a rock. No, I got you.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

Like if you have government secrets that you were, you know, sworn to secrecy, but you feel like people should know them, that's basically what it's about. Like this guy had all this proof of like our involvement with aliens and like we've been um harmful to them as a species, like in our researching them and everything, and and uh but also the the mere fact that something exists in science. If there's an alien race, an alien technology that exists in the universe, that means it's a part of our science. That like we learn about what it's like to be on Neptune, you know, like the planet. That's not gonna serve us, but we can read it in a book. Okay. And it's like you're never you're, you know, you probably won't live in Africa, but you can read what it's like to have giraffes like go by your house and how to have, you know, how to treat giraffes when you're there. You can read about that because it's available to us as facts. Right. There are people in the government that we don't vote for that are saying, you can't know about this that exists, and we're gonna call you crazy if you try to learn. That's like so why are they hiding it from us? Exactly. Ah, okay, I I don't know. I just principle by the principle of it, that's just that's just weird. Like we should know about it. It's right, very fascinating too. So obviously, people want to know about it. Yeah. Where do you think they are? Where do you think they come from? They could have come from somewhere else where they use like crazy technology to fly here from from far away.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Or but like uh is there a certain planet or a star or like a that's only a third of the the theory.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

The another is that they found out a way to have gosh with their technology of like um anti-gravitational fields, like that they're not um it wouldn't be affected by water pressure. So then they could have a base under deep water, and we don't we haven't explored like the vast majority of our oceans. But the aliens are from our owner. So they could they could be, they could be from somewhere else and they have based here, or they could be us or something else from like the future or another dimension. But I know that because time is a social construct.

SPEAKER_01 47:46

It it is, it is time is something that we that we're we're forced to experience in one way because of how we I was just watching this TikTok, sorry, about this thing that under capitalism, yeah, we are slaves to time. Uh and without capitalism, we don't have to wake up at a certain time, be there at a certain time, do the nine to five the whole shebang.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

Which really help work works against the ADHD people like me. Yeah, for sure. And having like executive dysfunction and all of these things pisses me off. And I'm just like, if if time is something that humans created, why do I have to abide by it? Why can't I, when I get a spark to to do a self-tape, let me do the self-tape. Yeah, you know, or or maybe I just want to go frolic, you know, in the in the daisies and the roses or whatever. You have to frolic from three to five. Exactly. Only even with the fucking work schedule that I have right now, I don't have time to frolic in the goddamn daisies and roses. I know I don't. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

I don't have that time.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

And then you feel so guilty. I'm like, oh, I need to like lie down for like 10 minutes. No, you're not allowed to do that because that's being lazy. And that means you're you're like just fucking a bum and you're not doing anything for yourself. And it's like, oh my god. I just meal prepped for three hours yesterday, but that doesn't mean anything because today I'm tired.

SPEAKER_00 49:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

Whatever. That should fucking piss me off. So the dinosaurs, how often do you think about those?

SPEAKER_00 49:12

Dinosaurs?

SPEAKER_01 49:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

Um, I think I mean, not. Have you seen Subway Takes? Subway takes? Yeah. Oh, that that's like a podcast where it's just like short like clips. Yeah. On the subway. Yes. Of New York.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

I I haven't seen that. It's like, okay, so what's your take? And then they'll say something maybe outlandish or maybe not.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

And then he, the person that's doing the podcast is will either say, I 100% agree or I 100% disagree. And so one of them said that we don't talk about dinosaurs enough. It's wasted on the youth, is what he said. And he was like, you have to wait until you're 18 to learn about the dinosaurs because then you start thinking about it. Because you you you think about dinosaurs when you're young and then you stop thinking about it.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

Yeah, because you when you're a kid, you believe in like unicorns and Santa and and two fairy, and then you put that with dinosaurs. Oh, I was gonna say they're not fake. You you you believe they're not.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

No, that's the point the word was created 6,000 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

No, that's the point I was making that uh you could relate it to like, oh, I just thought about that when I was a kid. That's that's a kid thing, yeah. But oh no, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 50:20

I was just gonna say that like watching that video made me realize I really don't think about dinosaurs in that because being raised in the Christian religion, I went to this thing called the Creation Museum, which is like an hour outside of Cincinnati.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

I feel like I know where you're going with this, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:36

And and they they they say that dinosaurs existed and that they were real, but they claim that the world was only created 6,000 years ago. So with the science that we have dating these bones back to millions of years ago, the my the math ain't mathing.

SPEAKER_00 50:51

Does the creation museum believe that um it was even in the 6,000 years, it was like dinosaurs first and only, or do they think that they shared some time with humans?

SPEAKER_01 51:03

I actually don't know. I don't remember. I'm not even I don't want to be misquoted on that. I I don't remember. It's been so long since I've been, but I just remember seeing dinosaurs and thinking in my head, oh, they're they're dumb and gone, no, no use in like thinking about them anymore.

SPEAKER_02 51:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

And so then it was like almost as if they never existed. And so now when I try and think about it, it's hard for me to understand and conceptualize. And when people try and tell me, yeah, dinosaurs were like birds, and now we have the birds that we had today. And I'm like, but blah, why don't those why don't those big birds end up being our birds, you know? And like it just doesn't because they're so big and massive, like they would have destroyed us, right? And I still don't understand any of that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 51:50

And and why did alligators stay alligators for like a million years? Right. And they're still just, I mean, I get it. I was saying this the other day. I get it. They're like big destructing like dinosaurs, is what they are. Like big scary motherfuckers. Yeah. But but they also like they can't chew. They gotta like whip their head around to chew their food. Wait, what do you mean? They like get disoriented like when they so I'm like, it's weird that this thing survived for so long. I guess just because it like hangs out in a pond and stares at you before it like tries to rip you in half. But but also like, yeah, that there's like so many faulty things about them. That's how you can tell that it's like been on earth for a long time because it like it's it things that old. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

I don't know, like the I'm talking about alligators right now.

SPEAKER_00 52:38

What are you talking about? Yeah, alligators, yeah. I didn't know this. But it's a you know, it's like a dinosaur. It's like a it didn't evolve for like a long time.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

Wait, so are dinosaurs birds or reptiles?

SPEAKER_00 52:47

I'm not the one to answer that. I guess birds. I guess they used to be birds.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

I guess if a bird became an alligator or I don't do birds wait, wait, wait, do reptiles are wait, are alligators reptiles?

SPEAKER_00 52:58

Yes. Um, I I don't I don't want to speak on because I'm not a dinosaur guy, but uh I don't want to speak on this evolution. But but yeah, I mean, yeah, even they're like the the force it takes for them to close their mouth is so great that you can hold their mouth closed. They like in terms of them opening it, it's really weak. Oh so you could like put a rubber bay, a couple rubber bands around their mouth and they couldn't open it. I feel like though, to be safe, that's why people do like all the tape. Yeah. If you've ever seen that, yeah. Apparently, that's what I saw in a commercial on Nickelodeon when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_02 53:29

Nickelodeon here! Manufacture Nickelodeon!

SPEAKER_00 53:32

That well, that's what I had. That and Steve Orwood, God rest his soul.

SPEAKER_01 53:35

All right, this this lineation of questions to ask you. How often do you think about the Ottoman Empire?

SPEAKER_00 53:41

I just what the Ottoman or the Roman? Is it the Roman? I know.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

It is the Roman Empire, you're right. The Roman Empire.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

Zoe asked me this already, and I I didn't understand that it was a thing, you know, the army.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

Yes, it was on TikTok for a while.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

And I because I don't have TikTok. And I was like, what? Why? I just kept asking, and she and Maddie were like, yeah, but like you obviously think about it, so like how much? And I was like, I don't. I'm like, those Phoebe's like uh Troy and uh what's the um I've never even seen Troy. Uh what's the one that they just had a sequel? The uh walking Phoenix. I don't know why I'm not thinking about this movie. Uh what's it called? If they're listening, if someone's listening to this, they'll be like, it's that. You could Google it. It's that movie. I'm like touching my phone when it's recording. I'm probably just an old man about it. Um recording it. No, like the Russell Crowe Gladiator. That's what it was. Oh. Gladiator. So I haven't seen these movies, so I don't like I don't have a lot of reasons to think about it. Like I was never interested in it, and I I just don't. But I feel like the theory was that because of their masculine rule that it's so attractive. Alpha men everywhere are screaming. The Alpha Man, like how you plan and strategize and kill the enemy, and you're knocked off. You're such a beta Vemsky. I guess I am. I don't like I I get it. I just don't fa like, you know, some guys fantasize about like beating up a whole bar, you know, which we've all done that. Every man has done that. I don't care if you're if you're gay or or whatever. You think about how you feel drunk or someone you know gets in a fight or something, and you're like, look me everybody. I feel like I could take half of this crowd.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

I have seen that and I've dated that, and I don't understand that. Because it it literally, there was this guy that I was talking to back in the day when I first moved here, and I remember we were at the bar and he leans over to me and he's like, I can take half the guy at the bar, right? He said the same thing. He said the same thing. Verbatim. And I was like, please don't. I don't want you to get in a fight right now. I don't think we ever mean it.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

I you know.

SPEAKER_01 55:44

No, he meant it because then probably a week or so later, there was a guy that started fighting somebody else, and then a bunch of guys just started hopping in. Why?

SPEAKER_00 55:53

Because it's like that same impulse that like people have when you see like a bunch of money falling, you're like, oh, let me just a million bucks falls in my head. It's it's flying everywhere. Let me grab it because I know I need this. I feel like guys have fantasized about it and they're like, it's time. I don't understand that. Oh, I don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 56:10

I don't know you next to me, but I'll fight to the dead. They literally pile on to one person or multiple people, and they're all just and then and then they're just hitting each other for no reason.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

I see those videos. Well, we shouldn't be inundated on social media with all these videos of all these public fights. And it's making you it just makes me feel uncomfortable, sad, like what would I do if I was there? You do that thing where you're watching sports. If you don't know either team, you just start to root for one team naturally, yeah. Just because it's what it is. Yeah. And so you do that when you watch these fights. You're like, oh, I hope that guy gets up at last or whatever. And it doesn't even make any sense to you. Have you fought? No, no. Never? No. Um, oh, it just crosses your mind. It crosses your mind because you feel like, you know, we see the as a guy, like you see the society what it is, and you're like, I might have to someday because people are out here, they're crazy. And also there's a thing that guys, the douchebags, like the actual toxic guys, do now that are so fucking stupid. Like they they'll walk up to a guy in a bar or whatever with the who's with a girl, and they'll do or say something that forces him to have to retaliate. Puts you in a position, like if I'm a guy with my girlfriend or something, they'll purposefully put you in a position where if I don't do anything to them, I'll look like a pussy or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 57:28

Okay, so you're out with your fiance. Yeah. A guy comes by, what happens?

SPEAKER_00 57:32

Like, I I don't know, like they'll say, like maybe like grab her ass or say something like do something where it's like enough where that that is not just like, hey, get out of here, man. Like it, it, it, you would have to do something else. Right. Better defending a girl or just for the yeah, but just for like just for the sake of it though. Not because the guy finds her attractive or whatever, but he's doing it because he wants to get a rise out of you. Yeah, it's the dumbest. It's it's a version of if like if you look at human evolution, it's like a version of human that has yet to evolve to where the rest of us are. It's it's really what that is, because we're moving into like the future is everyone who's good at tech stuff, you know, uh-huh and not bodybuilder type guy. And I get it, it's like we used to be hunter-gatherers and like we still find that attractive. Yeah, but we're kind of and I'm not saying that you shouldn't get fit and all that, because we should for our health and and for these reasons too. Yeah, like the guys with this mentality though, this like kind of Jersey Shore, like I I've never even seen that, but I I get that.

SPEAKER_02 58:35

Yeah, it's Jersey Shore, it's so good.

SPEAKER_00 58:38

You know, it's like uh fuck off, dude. Like, I'm not fighting you because you want me to. I would fight somebody if like I had to defend somebody because it happened naturally to go and cause someone to need to defend somebody because you want to just fight them. Like you're involving somebody else that doesn't even deserve it. They might not even like your fiance's ass, you know what I mean? But they're yeah, but it's just for this really fucking stupid guy thing that I hope dies off soon. Of like they won't. I of like it like with me, like me, I feel like my friend Justin, this happens to him, like, and I only know because I know him well, like it probably happens to a lot of guys, but like people guys will just see other guys and just they're the sociopath in them just turns on and they're like, I need to fuck with this guy. So stupid. And I'll I don't think I'll ever really fully understand it. I think it comes from um insecurities. It comes from insecurities uh of all kinds that maybe they've had in the past or right then in that moment, but maybe this guy they see makes them feel insecure. So they're like, I need to challenge this so I feel better and can go to sleep at night. Right. Do you not spend time on social media and see guys way better than you all the time? Right. Like, but oh, it's because it's in this play, in this bar, and I want all the girls to have, I want a better chance with all the girls.

SPEAKER_01 59:55

So rather than use my personality, it's not even for the girls, you know it's for the guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:00

I think I think that has to do with it. Everything dumb that a person does comes from like an instinctively. When you're posting tanks of like your six pack and your fucking muscles, yeah, is it for the other guys? It's based or is it for the girls? It's based on mating. All of this is based on mating, and so competing with other guys has to do with mating. That's the evolutionary route to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:20

But I feel like it's always to please other men because women don't care.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:26

No, I I unless you're in a group where you don't find anyone else threatening or like you trust everybody. I'm trying to think as this like weird dude that thinks this way that a lot of people do. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

I feel like the facade is yeah, I'm doing this to get other women to appreciate me more.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

But behind closed doors, it's really I'm trying to look better than all the other men.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

Yeah, but but why do you need to look better than the other men is to be seen as desired by women, but like the your your relative society. You know what I mean? Like the the region of humans that you're in, you look attractive. Because I think that overall looking attractive to overall everybody still roots back to if you think like on a subconscious level, why this is happening, like a biological level where it's I think it's all about maybe. So I feel like I feel like it happens in gay. I can't speak for gay culture, but I feel like it happens there too, like some of the same stuff in a different way, because they're not like brood, brute like douchebags, but like still Well, there are still some brute douchebags, I won't lie. Yeah, well, I mean, uh you can, you know, I I won't say that I know, right? But uh yeah, anybody can be toxic as a matter of fact.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:42

There's another TikTok that I saw that and I agree with was the average person is dumb. And if you don't believe that to be true, you are also dumb.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:53

No, yes, exactly. You're one of them. Yeah. That's the thing. I like I had a rough time, not not with Zane, but like a rough time in Zane's class, like at a there was a season where I didn't believe in sitcoms at all. Why? Like I didn't, I didn't like in certain certain commercials too, made me feel like, wow, if this is even a part of acting, maybe I shouldn't do acting at all. Because you almost oh gosh, I'm just burping up this whole thing. Like, I would watch some things in sitcoms, maybe they're older, so it's fine if it's cheesy or whatever. You're like, I saw this joke coming a mile away, and there's a laugh track that's like telling me when to laugh. I feel like the writer is assuming me to be stupid. Uh, not all sitcoms, because those great sitcoms, and some great sitcoms don't people don't know about, but then really well-known sitcoms that suck. I don't know. It was hard for me to do it, and Zayn was basically like, well, get over it. Like that, you know, that for a time at least, that was like the most monetarily generating uh content within you know Seinfeld and Big Bang and Friends. Gosh, that's like the majority of TV money right there. Just those. Yeah, and Zayn was like, get over it. Yeah, you gotta in like really dumb commercials. Like, I didn't want to do any of that stuff. But yeah, why'd we get on this?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

Oh, because I was talking about how the average person is dumb.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:11

Yes. And so I would I thought about that. I thought about how you you from a business perspective, you think about the audience, and then you think about oh this must be wanted for companies and stations and everything to be spending so much money on it. There must be a desire that it has an eighth season. The desire doesn't come from me, but it has to come from enough people. And uh that's why a lot of Netflix stuff, I feel like, is getting canceled. Like some people can really enjoy stuff, but then I feel like the numbers maybe are more accurate now. I don't know. But yeah, the sitcoms like they were just maybe people just thought they were a great idea for a long time. These are like I Love Lucy's like in the 50s, and then I is Seinfeld a sitcom? Yeah, and so that's like you know, early 90s or whatever, or like mid-90s? What? Apple House? Yeah, yeah, sitcom. Okay, um yeah. So I don't know, but but like you watch some friends and it's like it's kind of outdated comedy-ish, some of it, and you know, it's cringy in a way or whatever, and you're like, people wanted this, and then you look at the acting and it's like way, it's almost like animation voiceover acting. It's like really over the top, but you have to sell what's on the page so it's justified. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:20

Um would you argue that the um actors from Friends are good actors?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:27

Yeah, I think they all are. Yeah, I think you have to, it's very rare for someone to be good in the sitcom place if they aren't great otherwise. I think it's probably rare. Someone could be great at doing sitcoms and then nothing else, but it's like ridiculous over the top. It's like exaggerated. You have to know, it's almost like you have to know where your bullet's gonna land before you shoot the gun, like exactly, and just doing it every week, like a whole bunch, their schedules are crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

And they're doing it in front of a live audience too, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:56

Yeah, not all of them. Some of them it's like recorded.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:59

Okay, but but still, but but I feel like every now and again is still more than none.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:04

I feel like maybe still half or more. I I don't know the numbers on that, so I'm sorry if I got that wrong, but but some of them don't. And some of them it's kind of obvious. You can tell it's kind of a pre-recorded track, and maybe some of them have a live audience, but they add track on top of that. So but anyways, yeah, um that talk you're talking about the how a lot of people who are alive are dumb. Or relatively, I don't want to like throw this on any.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:28

Yeah, I mean, I never even envisioned it that way, but now that you say it, it makes sense. And I still have a lot of respect for sitcoms and what that takes. Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:38

Um, I don't think that the um talent is any less or the skill required to film it is any less. Yeah. But I do understand what you're saying with like the writing and the execution is written for an audience of less intelligence.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:53

Yeah, or or just like a or just a certain genre. Because like you can be in the mood for something. Right. I want to just You throw in some garbage while I you know, whatever. And not not to say that it's garbage. Um that's I wasn't saying that I was saying like a movie or whatever, but it's or something that you know really well that's like a or maybe I don't have to think as much, or I'm still putting it in a bad light. Uh um or like a just a just a particular something that you can put on in the background and have a good time with. Yeah. Like people, if you're in the mood for like this, you know, that there's three stooges, like you know, like what that kind of comedy is. I've never seen it. Um I should. Well, like or jackass. Perfect. I haven't seen that. Uh I haven't done it, but go ahead. I get what it is. You're yeah, you're in the mood for that and you choose it. And then if you're gonna choose that on purpose, you're not gonna watch it and be like, this is not very intelligent. Like it's that's just a genre. Right. Those guys are respectable in their own way for like what they're doing. So yeah, I mean, no no sh yeah, no shade at all to what it is, but the content that's written to be absorbed in a particular way, some of it, not all of it, some of it, I feel like, is just a little, a little less intelligent than maybe it should be, just slightly. Um but now I'm like really trying to cover because this is gonna come out like when I'm auditioning for uh SickCon or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:10

Oh they're gonna be like, so in that one uh podcast that you did, you're gonna refer back to it. Yeah, well what did you mean by that?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:17

Two listens by then, so man. Why'd we get on to people being intelligent?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:24

I just brought it up as a random topic of conversation. Yeah, nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:27

Well, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

Oh my goodness. What is your take on sitcoms now? Because you said at the time you were like, uh Yeah, I believe against them.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:36

I mean, I'm glad I went through that season of thinking that way about it because you learn like when you're when you're cynical about something or you try to you're like made uncomfortable by something, or it's almost like you want to know why. So if you're like hate watching something, or just like thinking a lot about it, because I'm like, especially doing it for Zane, I'm like, I have to get into this mindset. So you have to log into that and you'll find where it is. And then you see like the respect you should have for someone who executes that, not only executes it, but well and makes the can make the writing sound better than it is, or like less cheesy than it is, I'll say. Because some of that writing is great. Like there's a show called uh Still Standing. It was a sitcom from like the early 2000s that the writing and the acting was incredible, like it was great. So there's like there's stuff out there. Yeah, I just have a lot of respect for it, and I I think I could do it. I think I could pick my ass into shape to do it. It's just what it is, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:29

So do you have a dream role? Is there a um genre and type of I don't know what that's called, like sitcoms, dramas, what are those? Like a series, like a I guess, yeah. I don't want to say class, but like the genre is in oh, I guess that is a genre. Yeah. The sitcom, the the drama, the comedy, the whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:48

What would be your dream role for a movie? Or what it what is it?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:54

I I think like dream dream, like the top of it, not so practical of like, oh, because I would like to be like a series regular on a TV show that's maybe like a dramedy type thing where it's it's got light stuff, heavy stuff, all that stuff, and like be a regular on it and be working there every day. That'd be great for my career and financially and everything. Oh, okay. But I think Dream Dream, like a thriller horror movie. Oh, and like to be um, I guess either like the lead that's going through it or somebody attached to it that just has a lot of like stakes and action to it. I fell in love with like um did you see Cloverfield? Ever see that? Okay, you should you like found footage stuff?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:34

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:34

Like paranormal activity or like the Blair Witch project, it's all in a cam like a camcorder. Oh so it's like the footage is sold to you as like someone taped this on a on a big camcorder and then they we found the tape, so let's see what's on it. And it's a scary story, you know. So it's but obviously it's filmed by a whatever uh company or whatever. Yeah. Um or an indie like project like Blair Witch project was, or like a big studio like Bad Robot or whoever did the uh paranormal stuff, but yeah, it's like found footage like made to look like just footage that someone took in real life, but you have a script attached to it, you have editing and acting and everything attached to it. I just get taken by like the horror stuff when it's that way and the stakes are really believable. Yeah, it just seems really fun to do, like to really like to be killed or to be in like a really tense moment.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:23

Is there a film that you're um really inspired by?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:26

I mean Cloverfield uh in terms of that stuff. Cloverfield could be the answer. Uh Cloverfield is. I'm I'm just thinking if there's anything better. Oh man, oh the the last exorcism is fantastic. Is this like a horror film? It is. It is this guy, the actors are incredible too, but the the writing and everything is so great. This guy is like in I forget what state he's in, but like he and his father are like renowned preachers, and they both had done exorcisms, but he was doing a documentary to prove that he is a liar. Like the ex exorcisms don't exist. He and his dad have just been haunting people and as like an apology to the church. And so he and it's really lighthearted, it's really like the guy's a great actor. He he and his team go out to take real exorcist calls, like to to treat the person, but then he shows the camera like the trick he's doing and tricks, like unethically tricks the family into thinking that he's actually helping. And it turns out that there is actually a demon in this girl, and it's but it's all found footage, like it's all like his team doing a you know, steady cam like cocky series. It's I feel like that's in the bio, probably. Yeah, but oh my god, dude, it's it's great. Like it's it's a last exorcism, right? Yeah, yeah. I want to watch it. It's not too fucked up, but the act like like you could play the girl who's possessed, like you could have played that role. I feel like that's it's a very she I loved her acting in it. Like she's my favorite in the whole thing, but she's oh my gosh, it's like this innocent, like farm girl that she really is, and they think she's put on an act. Oh my gosh, yeah, great. Um have you seen Pearl? No, I haven't I haven't seen any of those Maxine movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would love to. I just haven't really found a are these on something like I watch it on.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:11

I watched X because I think that's the first one, and then Pearl. Yeah. Um, and I haven't seen Maxine. Um, but I think I watched them on Netflix. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:19

I mean I think I'm gonna watch it. I'd have to really motivate myself to see something like this really fucked up because I feel like some of it's fucked up, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:28

Or it is, but I feel like it's more uh suspensible than anything else. Okay, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:34

I've seen the clip of Jenna Ortega screaming in one of those.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:38

Oh, I think that's the third one. No, I don't think she's in Pearl. I think she's in Maxine. Maybe, maybe I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:43

There's like Mia Gotzer him, yeah. Yeah, I've seen uh scenes. Yeah, and I think it's Pearl when she's on the farm, right? When she's like having sex with a scarecrow or something. Yeah. The Superman is in that. I didn't realize that was him. And your cattle? No, uh the new the new one. Hey, don't get me started. I was so mad that he was fired. I mean, David Corn sweat is great. Fired? What do you mean he's fired? He's not really gonna be Superman anymore. Like, it's sad. Do you you don't know this? Well, that's great. That's hey, look, look, you that means you have a life outside of this. That's a good thing that you don't. Yeah, no, David Corn Sweat is the new one, and he was in that. He's there's a scene where she's yelling at him, she's like, Why don't you like me? Why don't you stay? And he's like, You're scaring me, Pearl. Like in a barn or something. And I someone pointed that out, and I was like, I've seen that scene before. I didn't know. What time are we at? We're at an hour and 23 minutes. And no, we are not. By saying that, I'm like, I'm obviously gonna edit some silences and some words out of this and stuff. So it's gonna be less than that. That people see they're gonna be like, yeah, actually, so it's 107. Um, or whatever. But yeah, we're we're at that. Right? It flies by.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:50

I well, I have to piss like a racehorse, so we should end soon.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:53

Yeah, we we can just go ahead and um that's that's great. Uh, because sometimes you have to you're like, how am I gonna end this? But then but that's how a lot of podcasts do it after like they're like, oh well, I'm gonna peace. Well, let's go ahead and wrap this up.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:03

Um, you know, aside from auditioning, like, is there anything like in the works for you or just personal stuff, like moving soon, might be going to Tampa this weekend, but like in terms of uh acting endeavors, man, just try and make it work for real, to be honest. I'm here living the dream.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:20

Yeah, literally, at the bank. Woo! Yeah, nice. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, Becca Hayes, Becca Hayes, Becca Hayes, D one, the only. Yep. I I when I did it with Justin, I had him give his Instagram handle. You definitely have to.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:34

It's Becca Hayes, but it's with a Z. Because Becca Hayes, my name is taken. So it's B-E-C-K-A-H-A-Y-E-Z.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:42

Okay, nice. Yeah. Becca Hayes. Because I Travis James was already taken in so many forms. That's why I'm like underscore Travis James underscore.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:49

Oh, I hate the underscores. Underscores are so ugly in my opinion. Sorry, but no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:54

That's it sucked when I was like at a bar, like trying to pick it. Name up the Z. Yeah, trying to pick someone up and they're like, what's your Instagram? Okay. And I was like, underscore, and then they walked away. Um, no, this kid. Um, yo, cool. Well, it's been great. We can definitely do it again. Because I I feel like I'm gonna find a bunch of people that might want to do it, but yeah, uh the list that I have is not super long. Uh you know, it's like Zayn and like a handful of people that I know. So I mean, I I'll definitely like if people want to do it again for sure. But sweet. Yeah, yo, nice. Well, thank you. Thank you. And and goodbye.