Liminal Lounge Mediums Podcast - Episode 2 - Decoding the language of Spirit

Episode 2: Decoding the Language of Spirit

Hosts: Michele Oyler, Lorenda Carr, and Carey Kaas - Professional Psychic Mediums

Episode Length: 41 minutes

Description:
Join us as we explore the fascinating world of spiritual communication and learn how to recognize the different ways Spirit connects with us. In this episode, we dive deep into the "Claires" - the psychic senses that allow us to receive messages from the spirit world - and discover how these abilities are available to everyone, not just professional mediums.

What You'll Learn:

• The six primary "Claires" (psychic senses) and how they work
• How to identify your strongest intuitive abilities
• The connection between chakras and psychic senses
• Real-life stories of Spirit communication from working mediums
• Practical ways to strengthen your spiritual connection
• Why Spirit meets us where we are and adapts to our unique abilities

Key Topics Covered:

The Six Claires:

• Clairsentience (Clear Feeling) - Sensing energy and emotions
• Claircognizance (Clear Knowing) - Just knowing things without explanation
• Clairvoyance (Clear Seeing) - Receiving visual images and symbols
• Clairaudience (Clear Hearing) - Hearing Spirit messages and guidance
• Clairalience (Clear Smelling) - Receiving messages through scent
• Clairgustance (Clear Tasting) - Experiencing tastes as spiritual messages

Highlights:

• Michelle's powerful story of hearing spirit during a Reiki session
• Lorenda's experience with her grandfather's aftershave saving her from a car accident
• Carey's intense encounter with spirit in a historic home
• How Spirit "dresses" Lorenda for platform demonstrations
• The connection between Oracle cards, Tarot, and Spirit communication

Perfect For:

• Empaths discovering their abilities
• Anyone experiencing a spiritual awakening
• Those wanting to connect with deceased loved ones
• Spiritual seekers building their intuitive foundation
• People curious about mediumship and psychic development

Resources Mentioned:

• Episode 1: Foundations of Grounding and Energy Protection (recommended prerequisite)
• Goddess Rising Membership
• Camp Chesterfield

Connect With Us:
Email: hello@liminallounge.com

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Key Takeaway: Spirit meets you where you are and communicates in ways you can receive. Your job is to develop self-awareness about how these messages come through for you personally.

Transcript

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Welcome to the Liminal Lounge podcast. We're your host, Michelle Oiler, Lorenda Carr, and Kako three professional psychic mediums guiding you through your spiritual awakening, intuitive development, and mediumship training. Whether you're experiencing a spiritual awakening, developing psychic abilities are learning to work as an empath or an intuitive. This podcast offers grounded, practical guidance for building your spiritual foundation. Each episode focuses on mediumship basics. Psychic development, energy healing, working with your spirit guides or ancestors. Channeling and integrating spiritual awareness into your everyday life. You'll hear honest conversations, expert interviews, and beginner friendly teachings. Perfect for empaths and intuitives, just discovering their abilities or deepening their spiritual practice. Join us in the Liminal Lounge where spiritual seekers become empowered practitioners. Hello everybody and welcome back to the Liminal Lounge. Here we are again. I am with my co-host, Lorinda Carr, medium, and Michelle Oiler Medium. Thank you. Well, I love that. My lipstick for those who could see. I love that my lipstick and nails matches carrie's. I know Sweater. No, it's all bouncing together. We're vi I know. We're vibing on the vibe. We're vibing. Yeah. I'll have a red lipstick. It might be a while. I haven't had done that in Mint in a while, but you know, here we are. Listen, I love me. I love me. A good lipstick. I love a good red. Good red. I love a good red, good red lipstick. Yes, we do. We do love those things. We love it. So this topic is so near and dear to our hearts and we're so excited about it'cause we're getting more into. This idea of understanding how spirit works with us, decoding what we're calling the language of spirit. And this is really working with the different ways that spirit, our spirit, guides our ancestors, how they work with us, and how it comes through for us, and also how you can strengthen this in your own life. And I am just so thrilled to be with both of you talking about this topic. This is a big one because we're mediums. Yes. But we also have many clients that don't ever intend to do this in any way professionally. But they wanna understand how to connect and understand, first of all, their abilities, but also how to work with spirit. So Michelle, I would love to hear your initial perspective on this topic, whatever you wanted to share. Sure. I mean, uh. Here's what I'd like to say about it. I, I honestly believe every human being is equipped with senses beyond the Phi. Physical. Yes. And we all can do this work. We can't, unfortunately, in the Western culture. It is not encouraged. So they kind of lie dormant for so many of us, although there are some, and I think as we explore them, we'll realize even unintentionally we are utilizing these senses a lot. We just don't realize what we're doing always right. Sometimes. Mm-hmm. You know, I, Claire Sentience, um, people are tapping into that energetic field and getting a feeling about things or intuition, maybe we call it that. Um. Anyway, I, uh, I love this topic. This is usually where I start. I combine chakras and Claire's. That's kind of where we start in our development. Like if I get a brand new group development students, uh, because this is kind of, these are our tools, right? This is Yes. How we access and interpret and receive spirit energy. So, exactly. I love it. And I love it because we like on our last episode, so if you were, if you're just joining us the first time you've ever heard us and you're like, oh my goodness, I'd love to learn more. We did start with our initial topic, which was on foundations of grounding, understanding your, protecting your energy and Clearing. So if you haven't listened to that episode, please start there. It's a great place to start. Come back to this and continue your development journey. Um, I love that so much, Michelle. I can't wait to hear your perspective. Lorenda. Tell us, do, would you do your, this is a big one for you. Of course. I know this and I love it. Please. Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is one of my favorite out of all of'em that we're doing this season. This is probably, this is a placeholder for a multi-track sequence. This is a placeholder for a multi-track sequence, one of my favorite topics. Um, yeah. I am a firm believer that spirit meets us where we are. Yeah. And the Claire's being, they are basically our senses. Yes, but the way that Spirit communicates with us. Mm-hmm. And, and I find it so fascinating to figure out what it is, how, what is it, spirit's trying to get in touch with me about whether it's in my magical medium shift life or my mundane lorida life. Exactly. Um, just utilizing these tools and, and I, you know, I even had one time I was in a, in a class where. We had to ask Spirit, how do you see us? Yeah. And the, the visual, the visual they gave me, I thought was hysterical. It was like a, a misty fog. But you could see these little ghosts coming across the stream. You know, like if you're seeing those, the ducks and the, the, the target game where the ducks move across At the carnival, it was like that, but we were like little Pac-Man ghosts and everybody had different holes in their sheets. We were all covered with sheets. Some of'em, some people had giant holes by their ear, maybe their eyes or like on their heart, and then some of them had no holes. But as each, each little Pacman went by, spirit would write a note. Wad it up and throw it at the person and what, and try to get it in the hole. And so to me, that is how they see us. They're trying to communicate us with us in ways that we are able to receive that information. Yes. Whether it's externally. Mm-hmm. Or internally. So I, I could talk about this topic all day. So at any point, Carrie, if you're just like, tell the cows, come home. Yes. No, we love it. It's such a fun topic. It really is. It is. And fundamentally, we'll start with, I would love to hear this from you so we can do this collaboratively.'cause we all teach this in our beginning level classes for, again, we wanna emphasize for people that are just interested in learning about their energy, their spirituality, wanting to develop for their self, or if you wanna do this much more like this is possibly something I wanna do. But we wanna start by talking about the Claires and we'll each talk about these. So many of you have maybe heard this information, but really what the word Claire? And then every word connected to that is a French word, which means clear. And we'll go through and just briefly tell you about what each one is. And I thought if it's okay, I'll start with Claire.'cause that's one of the things. So clear Sentance exactly what it sounds. It's the ability to sense. It's the ability to feel. I always say this is the most socially acceptable Claire, because I feel like when you can walk into a room and you can sense how people feel, it's socially acceptable because everyone's like, yeah, I am feeling down today. Or, you're right. It is seeming it is stressful today. So that's, you're sensing your feeling and that is. One of the prominent ones when we start working with students typically that they tend to be, especially for women, really overactive in. So, Lorenda, would you mind explaining whichever Claire you wanna talk about next for us? I love talking about, um, oh gosh, all of'em actually. The, the clairvoyance where we get things. Where we just know things. Yeah. Now that is a mom gift right there. Sometimes, like I, I feel like mom, teacher, people in authority of children oftentimes. Yeah. Um, we just know things. Oh, you mean Claire Cognizant? Claire. C That's, I meant c That's, we're I certain That's what I meant. Sorry. Clarify. Yes. Yes. I know what listen. The Claire knowing things. Yes, the declare, knowing things cognizance. I'm sorry. Anyway, Claire Cognizance where just like moms teachers, you people in charge of other people where you just kind of know things. I see this about my husband too. There are things that he just knows. I'm like, well, how did you know that? Well, it's just common sense. A lot of people chalk it up to common sense. Yeah, we just know things. It's not all the same. Go. It's just being impressed with just that overwhelming sense of knowing something, but not understanding exactly why do we know it? There's no reason that we should know it, right? Mm-hmm. So yes, clear cognizant. I love that clear cog. Cog in the wheel. Mm-hmm. Michelle, which one would you like to tackle? Well, my favorite, which is, I say that because it's the one I most easily can access is clairvoyance. Yes. So clear theme, the third eye, eye, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. So I, I really like that one quite a bit. Yes. How, no, how would you describe that to someone? Because a lot of people say, I don't see anything. Yeah, how Right. Can you really explain how it actually works for people? God, because think kind of like what Lorenda said, you know, when she didn't think she was a medium, you know, that, that, that actually tifying it.'cause I think a lot of people get confused by that, right? Yeah, absolutely. So again, um, I think I mentioned this in a previous episode, but everything we're doing as mediums and, and energy workers is detecting and discerning. Different frequencies of energy, right? Yeah. So, um, it's a process. When we talk about a development circle, this doesn't happen day one. Like it takes time. We have to learn to, to recognize our own energy field. We, okay. So the same is true with what is just my human brain imagining something, picture images, and what is truly coming from spirit. It, and here's the other thing that I have found anyway, is that we all experience it slightly differently. Yeah. Right. So that's part of the process in developing as we go through exercises on how to access the different players and what does that mean for each individual. Yes. Right, right. Absolutely. For this medium, when I see something I, the way I know it's spirit versus just me, first of all. It's like my awareness alters to a certain place, and I don't know how to explain this exactly, but it's, it's different than just imagining. It's like a, like I can almost feel it shift. I'm wondering if it's very much connected to the pineal gland, which is something, some other episode we can talk about. Oh, mm-hmm. But, but there's a place that you shift to, if that makes sense. And then. I know it's right because I feel a sensation in my heart chakra in my heart. Mm-hmm. And I don't know how to explain that either. Yeah. But that's me personally. Yeah. Do you get like a flat? Does it work for you? This is what people ask me. I'm just playing like to see all the students. Has it worked for you, like a flash and an image comes through, like you get a flash of something? Or how does it work If you're picking up something, you know? Yes, and yes and yes. All the things, like sometimes I'll get a flash and it's just a picture of something or it's a, it's a picture of a symbol that means something to me, and then I have to interpret it. Sometimes it looks like watching a video, like I'm just watching it play out. Like just Yes. Yeah. And of course then we could get into remote viewing and telepathy, and there's all kinds of things, you know, like the remote viewing. Right. Um, so yeah, I, I guess it's a lot of different things. Yeah. The way you can access that and receive mm-hmm. The third eye, the ajna, you know, the arch. Yeah, exactly. The ash, which Ryan knew me connecting it with chakra soon. Right. Um, the other thing, and I'd love all your comments on this, one of my favorite ones is Claire audience. Mm-hmm. Um, and that's hearing spirit clearly. Love it. Mm-hmm. And I've worked with both of you as mediums. I can't wait to hear some of your funny stories and I'm gonna ask you the second. So, um, but clear audience is when you hear spirit and a lot of people say, does it sound like my voice? Does it sound like someone else's voice? And again, that's one of those things. It's different. It's different both times. Not with everybody. Um, not with everybody. So again, our biggest thing here, we we're going back to this again, is to not. If you don't have it the way a medium says they have it, it doesn't mean that you don't have it. It just means you're, you're right. You want self-awareness is how does it come to me? So exactly. And this is one of the ones I've always loved. And it, and it literally in my reality, feels like I just hear the word, I hear the name, I hear the voice, and it comes on, and it's just impressed upon me, like as if someone has. Whispered it to me. Not quite like a human has whispered it to me, auditorily, but then I just get it and then it comes across as a, and like my ticker tape, you know? Right. How is that for you? How is the Claire audience for you? Their audience has been a fascinating journey for me, first of all, um,'cause I never considered myself Claire ent, which is funny.'cause anytime I say, well, I'm never really clear Ian. Then all of a sudden hilarious spirit's like. Hello. My name's John, right. I've Right. So in, in episode one, our introductory episode, I mentioned this before, the very first time I ever had experience with Claire, Claire audience was when I was getting ready to walk down the aisle of marriage number one, when I heard clear as day, and it sounded like my voice. But it wasn't my thought. Right. It wa I heard two years and as we know, if you watch, if you listen to that episode, it was almost two years to the date mm-hmm. That things, things kind of fell apart. Yep. And, and, but in the meantime, as a, as a medium, a lot of times, I'll get Claire Audient messages, meaning like, I hear music. Right. I, not necessarily externally, not like it's some disembodied voice coming into my awareness, right? It's all hear music and I'll know, oh, I have this song playing over and over in my head. It makes me think of grandpa, or it makes me think of this, or it makes me say this. And so I'm able to utilize that as a tool, as a medium to know I need to talk about a certain thing based on how that song makes me feel. Yeah. Or what that song is saying. Sometimes it's song lyrics specifically. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Exactly. So, and I've, I've had that happen before. My favorite, my favorite is when I was doing a, um, I was doing an event at a wine place. I know you're both shocked. I was at a wine place doing, um, doing readings, and I was working with two, two sisters that had lost their sister and all of a sudden. The radio overhead. This is a big event. There were other vendors there, and there was a lot of people there. The overhead music just starts blaring. I'd never heard this song, but all of a sudden I heard, listen. Wow. And I tuned into this song and I said it to them. I said, I heard, listen, you have to listen. And the lyrics that they said were exactly how their sister. Died. Oh my God. It described how she died. Right. And, and so I was like, my job here is done. Mike drop. So that's another version of Claire Audience is like, use, utilizing sound, utilizing sound waves to deliver a message. A thousand. Very interesting. Very interesting. Micelle, you have some, some. Well, you know, the thought that's going through my mind right now is we're talking about these. Phantom senses, if you will. Right? Yeah. That's a great way of, that's good way to put it. Mm-hmm. You know what? Absolutely. Such a great way. Yep. Yeah. That they also can be like, I'm thinking specifically Claire audience and clairvoyance. They can also be quite physical. Oh, a, you can see an apparition or see paranormal things happen in front of you. Um. And you can hear things audibly sometimes too. And here's what's interesting. This is a really crazy story. Not everyone in the room sees it. Yeah, okay. You're seeing it or hearing it, but not everyone else is. And, and the first time I realized that, um, in the first episode, I talked about a medium that I met for the first time. My first reading, she was also a, a reiki master. She and one of my friends, she was going to do some reiki healing for us, and I was on the table. My friend is in the room, the medium is in the room. And during that session I could hear, I wish I could recreate it, but it sounded like this is what it sounded like. It was going like that, and it went all the way around the table. Ooh, that gives me the chills. Okay. And then Apple. Apple after like, I'm like, I'm all in. I know. It was so cool. What's happening? Oh, yeah. Haven't heard the three yet. And then after the session, um, yeah, the medium looked at me and, and my friend, and she said, did you hear that? And I said, yes. And my friend was like, what? And, and she described it. Did you hear that? They sound like it was going. And I was like, yes. And that was the first time it occurred to me that just because I'm hearing it or seeing it. Not everyone else in the room is, that's superimposed. It's from, it's the other, I mean, science doesn't really say dimensions, but it's the other, it's the overlay of spirit's energy right on, on top of ours. Connected frequencies. Right. And it's. That's a frequency. Yeah. Frequencies. And being receptive. Being allowing it. Yes. Being receptive and open to it. Percent. Going back to spirit, leaving a message and throwing at us. Yes. Seeing if it goes in the ear hole. Right on. Okay. Exactly. He, um, the other thing I would love to talk to you guys about this and then we have more to cover here, but I wanna talk about the more subtle Claire's, which there are Claire Gustin and Claire Aliens. Just briefly and then I, I wanna hear a story from each of you. I have a good one, Claire Gusten is when you, let's say, okay, I'm gonna use a client instead of a medium as an example.'cause I think that's important. I remember a client telling me, and she was. She never has an ambition of doing this professionally. She just wants to understand what happens to her. And she says, all of a sudden I thought of my grandmother and I could taste her cooking. I could taste her mashed potatoes. I could taste her like corn beef. And I went, yeah, that's Claire Goins. That's when literally you're having that a whole experience of remembering something that you consumed or tasted. Claire aliens is when you're smelling and we're all gonna be able to do it. Like all of a sudden you walk in a room and you're like, I smell cigar smoke, or I smoke perfume, or I smell flowers. Right? Yeah. I wanna hear both your stories with that. I've got my own, but I would love to hear both of your stories with that happening to you as a medium, maybe when you've been doing a demonstration or when you've just been in your life and it happening. We, we, Michelle, well, first of all. Clear tasting. Claire Gusten is what you're, I thought it was Gusten. Gustin. I've been calling it Gustin. I don't, I call it gustin. Does it matter? I say Gusten, but you know, it doesn't matter. I have a little German twang in me. She's married to a German. She's, she's married to a German guy. Gusten. I like Gu. I just wanna make you, I say Gustine, keep me honest. Like if I'm mispronouncing something, tell me tomato. Tomato, it spelled the same. Got it. Alright. Alright. Nobody cares. I can't say that I've experienced the clear, uh, gustin. Okay. But I have clear aliens. Yes. Tell. Yes. And I have many times in readings, like I'll smell the cigar smoke or cigarette smoke or what That'll come through. That comes through really clearly for some reason, and it, it usually identifies the person that I'm bringing through. Yes, they smoked cigars or whatever it was, right? Yeah, I'm okay. But here's where I personally experienced the Claire Alien, so clear smelling, and that was, um, about 20 some years ago, I had purchased this. Old horse farm with this old dilapidated farmhouse on it. Right? And I was gonna renovate it. I was going, this was my dream. It lasted that workout. Yeah. Six months, half that you had two years. This was six months. All right. Uh, but anyway, I, I had good intentions, right? So this old. Yeah, sure. This old house, um, definitely there was a woman who lived there. I, I could see her in my mind's eye many times. I felt her presence. The cla centine would kick in. I could feel her around me, and she would wear, I would smell this, uh, rose scented perfume, and it would kind of just, you know, flow through the room and I'd know she was present. And then I'd get that feeling and the goosebumps and all the things. And what was interesting is my wife Laura, she and I were just, just dating at that time why she stayed with me and I had this ridiculous horse farm. I will never know. Um, and I'll never forget, we were sitting at dinner one night and she said, do you smell that? And it was that rose perfume. Wow. So I knew. Interesting. I wasn't the only one smelling it. I wasn't making it up. Yeah. Other people would come in and comment on that. Rose per Very instinctive. Yeah. Wow. She wanted to make her presence known. Okay. Lorenda. I love that. Love it. So there was actually, I, I am very, I had a really hard time actually as a kid eating different foods because. Like foods with multiple spices because I have such a strong sense of smell and taste. Wow. So when I started this work, I was like, well, I guess this is probably happening like that.'cause I do get impressed with flavors. Yeah. I'll get impressed with smells. It may not be external. It could be like, oh, in my brain I'm smelling a walnut in my brain. I'm smelling perfume. Yeah. Um, but. One thing that did happen to me, and I'll get that when in reading, so be like, okay, I'm being, I'm smelling an orange. Mm-hmm. And so I know, even though I'm not smelling an orange, right, my brain is smelling an orange. So one experience I did have though is when I was driving, this was a long time ago, I was like back, this was not too long after hearing about two years, um, that that two years passed and I was getting divorced. I was in my car getting ready to turn left. I had the left turn signal, like I, I had the left arrow and someone was running the light and I didn't see it, but all of a sudden my car, and this was before cars stopped themselves at intersections. No one wrong with drums, slam on the brakes. And I'm like, oh, I guess I'm stopping right now. Okay. And then this puff of air. Comes out of the vent and it smelled just like my paternal grandfather's aftershave. Wow. Wow. And I was like, and I immediately thought of him and I go, Uhhuh, thanks pop. Because I would've that, that would've been a really bad accident because that person was flying a tee up. Totally blew through. Probably would've, yes. It would not have ended well. Mm-hmm. But it was that, that puff of air. I can, I can still smell it to this day. My brain still smells it. So I think it's important for people to understand that it's not always that we smell it externally. Our brain might be impressed with a smell or a taste. And the spirit is using your own memories. Memories and experiences. Yep. Literally. As you say, impressing or pressing on what you have within you to get there. And we're gonna definitely, I can't wait to talk about this with readings. I have a one amazing story that I love sharing when it comes to these two specific Claires, and that is that I love old homes. I think most of us do. And when we moved into the neighborhood, we were looking at these homes, and these are older homes usually, most homes around here are about a hundred years old. And so we went into this older, this one home, which was quite a grand home. This would've not been one we were going to move into, but we wanted to go for the tour and they had specifically like. Um, realtors that specialize in historical homes, and this was like a three story beautiful home. Probably someone in, in the city I live in who was part of, you know, either politics or had held a title of Sumter on this home. So when we walked into the first to, to the main floor, which I think there was four. Um, they were starting their tour and I looked at my husband, I go, let's not go on that tour. We have another tour that they, that I'm feeling we need to go on, and we could've, we broke away. So we went. So they said, did you wanna join? Go? I think we'll just do our own. We go into the kitchen and that's when I could feel spirits coming in to sort of say, let us show you the home. And there's different breakdowns of how that can work for people. I saw them, first of all, in my mind's eye. I saw a woman and a man, and then a younger woman, and I could tell this was a turn of the century imagery that I was receiving and that they wanted to show me the house. Um, so then I felt them le, you know, leading me around the different rooms. And it was beautiful. I was telling my husband he was a very good sport. Being such a logical person. He is like, sure. You know, and we went down to the bottom floor, which was, I believe they, so, and the funny thing was I said, oh, this is where the servants lived. And they corrected me and said, we weren't servants, we were part of the family. I went, okay. Huh. Right. We went down to the main floor and the, the older woman, it very much, if you ever saw, um, I was gonna say. Doubt Abbey. It was like that kind of a situation. And there was like, you know, the woman who was like in charge of the housekeeping and stuff. It was very much like that. So she said to me, yes, I became ill and lived here, but the family took care of me. And she told me that she actually, specifically this, that what she suffered from. And she said it was gout, but it was terribly painful. And then in that moment, really when I went into another, you know. I went into another space, believe me, in that moment, and I could taste the medicine. That was her medicine. I could taste it like, and I knew this was an opioid, this was an opioid, and all of a sudden that's where you need your boundaries. You need your bureau. I started feeling a little spacey and I said to my husband, I think I need to get out of here. Like I didn't even think I had to protect myself. I literally felt altered for four hours like I had taken, and I could taste it and out it was the most. Wow, the mo, and it was just because I was having compassion for her, you know, the spirit. And you know, she's fine by the way, in the spirit world, but I was in her story so much that I didn't have boundaries and I wasn't working. So it kind of, that was my most strong olfactory, I think it was a full sensation. It was every Claire. So I love that. Wow. And I also then tell my students that story, so I'm like, listen, if you go into an old building friend. Make sure you put your boundaries up. Oh, yeah. Uhhuh, because the story good and the spirits. Mm-hmm. You still might absorb what this experience was. So it was, it was an eye, it was an eyeopener to say the least. Wow. Now with that in mind, both of you here, we are working mediums that do you know, um. Sessions all the time, but also demonstration and Lorenda. Before we joined, I really wanna go to your story about how Spirit works with you and connects with you. For you to be able to relay the messages to the people that come, I'll, we'll call them, you know, it's the audience, but when you're doing it mediumship demonstration, tell us how your guides and the spirits work with you. It took me a few times that this happening, and you both have witnessed this by the way, uh, for me to really fully embrace it. Um, but what was starting to happen was spirit would dress me for the day. There are times I would go to pull a shirt off the, the. Rack, it could be my favorite shirt, and I'd go to put it on. I'd be like, I look terrible in this today. And then I would be impressed to put on something different. And so I'll, I'll give an example of like, uh, a Harley sweatshirt. I might put on a Harley sweatshirt. Later on that day, I'll be doing readings and it'll be a Harley rider that comes through that. And so I started like, oh, this is kind of fun. So the, the last few times that I've been on platform, I've told spirit. You know, pick my outfit, pick my outfit, pick my accessories, and every single thing I was wearing in that, in like this specific, the, the last gala event that I did at Camp Chesterfield, everything that I was wearing was super specific to a spirit that came through. One I put on pearl shoes. I'd like to point out that I had a whole different outfit picked out. I brought two.'cause spirit bullied me. And, and I took the other one and I ended up wearing the one that I didn't really want to wear, but it specifically connected to a person, to a spirit very specifically. The shoes had pearls on them and it connected literally to a spirit named Pearl. Mm-hmm. Um, and with very specific non Googleable things that I could never have known ahead of time. Um. The necklace, the next necklace that I was wearing, the crown.'cause I always, I love to wear a crown on my platform. Mm-hmm. Um, and even the crown was, IPI pulled, I pulled the, the, the crown card out of the deck.'cause I was doing, um, Oracle readings. Uh, as part of it. It was the crown card. It was purple in the same color as my crown. And the person that I was reading for. Specifically, it was like we that to our grandmother, we called her queen, da da da da, and she actually had crowns. Like, wow. It was a whole thing. So I let spirit dress me, whether it's just to do private readings, I, it's a fun, and to me it's a fun game that strengthens my, my, um, relationship with spirit and my trust with spirit. Yeah. And just the allowing. And the allowing, because then I'm like, well, cool. Do I need to look bougie today? Do I need to look, you know, casual today? What are we doing today? Hair down or what we're hearing hair up or down. Right. But it, I've allowed, we, I just allow it and allowed that, that part to happen and it just makes it much, it's so fun. Yeah. And it's good. It's validating. It totally is. And you also, as you're going even to the venue, you'll be getting songs, symbols, things you see a lot way. Yes. Right. I do. I will. I'll get cl especially like music or if I'm listening to a story. Yeah. Then, oh my gosh, there was one time I, I'm listening to a story and someone has in this particular story about dragons. It's a whole story on dragons. This, this, uh, my fourth wing series. For those of you who are book girlies, um. Dragons and one of the main characters without giving anything away is allergic to oranges. I get to Camp Chesterfield, I'm on platform, and I'm like, I'm feeling a dragon. Why am I, I'm being impressed by a dragon. Someone here works with the dragon guide. Immediately someone pulls their hand up and I say, and also I'm, I'm smelling oranges. I'm, and the person that took the dragon goes. I'm allergic to oranges. Yeah, that was amazing. Unbeliev. You can't make that up. You cannot make up. No. It's so specific. You can't make it up. And those two things specific as well, not just the one thing. It's the two things. It's the layered approach, which is just so genius. I love that. Yes. Oh my goodness. So Michelle, I would love to know, I know we all have these stories, which I think is so fun to hear, and also for people validate that maybe it's happened to them, some kind of a synchronistic thing. They got a message, they got a sign from a loved one or anything. Right. I, you know, I'm sitting here, I'm thinking, and now name one of them. It's happened so many times. I can't think of, I know that there's been hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. Exactly. Here's the thing about it that I love is that when Spirit uses a symbol like that, they waste no time. Yeah. Like it is packed full of evidential information. Um, for example, songs like NDA was talking about. If I hear a song. There's usually a name connection with either the artist or the name of the piece. And then the lyrics fit whatever's happening in their life at that moment. I know. It's crazy. It's, it's, it's like it, yeah. It's like symbology on steroids or something. A thousand percent really it. Yes. Yeah. So I love the, um, you know, one of the things, and I know we all do this too, um,'cause if you're using Oracle cards or tarot cards. I was just getting ready to, I was just ready to bring that up. It's tarot cards. Yeah, all that. It's so wonderful.'cause like as an example, last night with, uh, the membership, my Goddess Rising, we did end of year readings for everyone. And I could feel them, the goddesses coming in and going, okay, use this deck, use this deck. And the amount, and this is very specific stuff, very specific like goddesses, symbolism, colors, stages. If I could tell you the layering and the accuracy for each person, we'd be here an hour and a half and it was so beautiful. Even something as specific, I'm gonna tell you this is cool. One of them is working with the Scottish goddess, the Kaha, and she is a winter goddess, but she's also, um, very connected to certain things, right? Specifically this client who's one of my in the members said. And, you know, hadn't had any connection before. He said, oh no, I have a, I found a picture of her two years ago and I bought a deck from her two years ago. And then also I'm gonna do, she's going to be doing a specific trip. Related to something she's connected to. Unrelated. I mean, the layer it goes on. You all have these stories. It's just phenomenal. Phenomenal. Well, you know, I wanted to make sure that we got in,'cause Michelle, we were talking about this and Lorenda as well about. The connection between the chakras. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And the, and the Claire's. We, I think that's a great place to sort of, as we're moving towards the end of this episode, to be chatting about that, if you would. Sure. Like explore that. I actually really love the com, the correlations between our different players and the chakras. It's, it's amazing and especially, you know, teaching development circles and helping people discover how they experience the various players. Um, being able to match up a chakra with it kind of helps them connect a little bit. And again, like generic disclaimer, we all will experience this differently. So even though I'm going to mention it, it may not be true for every single person. Um. The easiest correlation to make is, uh, you know, the clairvoyance clear scene and the third eye, which is the sixth chakra. Right, right. The Ajna chakra. Right. That's almost undeniable. Yeah. Those two weren't. Right. Um, so, you know, chakras, um, for anyone has not really delved into that. If you're just tuning in and you're like, what's a chakra? Yeah. Um. I think that our master teachers started, um, like really working with this concept about 500, 1500 BC I think it was something like that in India. Right. But the concept is that we have these energy centers or, um, um, they're like little portals, if you will, this spinning wheel of energy. Mm-hmm. Places where we can express energy and receive energy. Um. And, uh, it's actually not on the physical body. It's on our ethereal body. Um, and, uh, if, if those energy centers are blocked for whatever reason, it makes it really difficult to tap into our, our Claires, right? Mm-hmm. To be able to utilize and receive the energy and so forth, right? Um, so I, I personally really like working those together. Now, one small example with this, um. So cla sentience, that clear feeling, uh, is typically associated with the solar plexus. So our gut, like a gut feeling about something, right? I tend, yes, I feel it there, but I also tend to feel cla sentience in my heart chakra. Yeah. Isn't that, do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, I do. Because they're inter, the channels of them, they're interconnected, are connected. Depending on the person's story, history, et cetera. So it's so beautiful because they, they, that's the holistic system of the chakra system is that, you know, when you think about the different experiences we each have, we kind of light up like a Christmas tree almost like it's connected to our foundations, it's connected to our heart, it's connected to our expression, clairvoyance. And depending on what you're tuning into, those will places will come forth or sort of light up or be activated. Yeah. Right. Interesting. I know. You know, uh, the other thing that was really eye-opening to me, I don't know if you've experienced this, but I had a new group, uh, development circle and we were talking about the Claires and the chakras. Um, and um, I was talking about the heart chakra and feeling things in my heart chakra. And I had a student say to me, I don't recognize that sensation. I do not know what you're talking about. Yeah. And that was the first time. I mean, of course we're all gonna be different, but it was the first time that I, as a teacher was like, oh my gosh, my students aren't all gonna experience this the same way I'm experiencing it. Yeah. Make it right or wrong. It's different, you know? Yeah. Very much so. It's kind of crazy, but yeah. So amazing. Oh my gosh. Well, this topic, we could go on and on. Yeah. And on.. this has been an amazing episode. I am so excited to, you know, hear everyone's feedback that watches. And I also wanna say that, um, this just makes me wanna be with both of you, even more and more. And this experience of learning together, it's very exciting. And I can't wait for next episode. It's gonna be incredible. Thanks for joining us in the Liminal Lounge podcast today. If you're enjoying the show, please be sure to subscribe and leave a review. We read every single one of them for show notes, links to everything we mentioned today. You can connect with us on our website. Until next time, trust your intuition.