Liminal Lounge Mediums Podcast - episode 6 - with Guest Intuitive Tarot Reader, Medium & Mentor, Kisha K

The Liminal Lounge | Episode 6: Ancestral Veneration & Healing with Guest Kisha K

In this powerful episode, hosts Carey Kaas, Lorenda Carr, and Michelle Oyler sit down with Medium, Mentor, and Spiritual Practitioner Kisha K for an in-depth conversation on ancestral veneration — what it is, why it matters, and how to get started. From healing generational trauma to setting spiritual boundaries, Kisha brings her signature warmth, wisdom, and grounded approach to one of the most transformative spiritual practices available to us.

Topics Covered:

• Kisha's personal awakening — from Southern Christian roots to spiritual practitioner
• What ancestral veneration is and why your soul will find its path regardless of your background
• How to start simply: a glass of water, a white candle, and free writing
• Why we give offerings and how they benefit both the living and the departed
• Your ancestors as a spiritual advocacy team — protection, guidance, and manifestation
• Ancestral work for adoptees — why you are "double blessed."
• Setting spiritual boundaries with ancestors who weren't good to you in life
• Healing generational trauma and breaking cycles
• Ancestral connection for the LGBTQIA+ community
• Working with spirits beyond your ancestors — and why you should go slow
• The difference between ancestors, saints, and deities

Notable Quotes:

"Your soul will find its path regardless of the journey."

"You may not know them, but they know you."

"Spiritual boundaries are real boundaries."

"The first thing that comes into your head is real. The second thing is you talking yourself out of it."

"Thank you for listening to our whispers when nobody listened to our screams."

Connect with Kisha K:

TikTok & Instagram: @BigCraftWorks

Readings: tarotoracle.com

🏛️ House of Dominion — Kisha's Online Spiritual School
A 3-year initiatory program for those beginning or deepening their spiritual journey. From deprogramming to embodiment, House of Dominion guides students through each stage of their path.

👉 https://www.tarotoracle.co/

Connect with Your Hosts:

Carey Kaas — Medium & Mentor
🌐 www.careykaas.com | ✉️ carey.thepsychic@gmail.com

Lorenda Carr
🌐 www.lorendacarr.com | ✉️ spiritualinsightnetwork@gmail.com

Michelle Oyler
🌐 www.michelleoylermystic.wordpress.com | ✉️ mysticmedium7@gmail.com

Transcript

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Welcome to The Liminal Lounge everyone. We are so excited because we have an incredible guest for you today. Personally, one of my dear, dear friends. The incredible Miss Keisha k Keisha is an incredible psychic, medium intuitive tarot reader and a spiritual mentor. She has so much wisdom to share with us today, and we're super excited because it is St. Patrick's Day. We're gonna be definitely talking about ancestors. Loren and I probably Michelle too, who, who knows? All of us have probably Irish ancestors, so we have a lot to talk about. Welcome, Keisha. We're so excited to have you here. Yay. And talk to the our guest. You're our first guest. I just realized. Yeah, that's honored. Oh my gosh. I'm super excited. I'm super excited. My gosh, Keisha, I'm gonna dive right into being nosy. Now, personally, this is the thing. I know a lot about Keisha,'cause she's my friend. Yeah. However, I'm gonna be objective and ask her the questions that everyone's gonna wanna know. I wanna talk to you first about how you ended up doing this work. How did it start unfolding for you? I, I love the story and can't wait for everyone to hear it. So, it started from, I like to say it started from a non starting point, right? I wasn't looking for anything. I was. Minding my own good southern Christian business. Like I, I was just going on about it. Like you hear about people who are like, oh, I questioned about Jonah and the will, and I was like, no, a fish love and a man. Like, that's what happened. Like I didn't have any questions. And I remember listening to a podcast, a really good fun podcast, and the young lady was Dominican, Puerto Rican, and Haitian. And so she was talking about all of these African religions and I was like, what? They're not Christian like I thought everybody was Christian. I'm just living in a bubble of unaware. It's just, I'm just out here living. And so I started to look research because I am a nerd at heart above everything. I love to read, I love to study, and so as I started to research. I'm coming across people like Dr. Bart, the Airman, and I'm coming across Dr. Delbert Blair and I'm coming across Bobby ett and, and all of these people. And I'm going through these books and I'm like, what's happening? Like, the world is literally crumbling around me trying to figure out my footing and where I was going and what this meant. Getting information from different sources about ancestors and then being like, okay. I'm gonna take a pause'cause I don't really know what's right, what's going on. I went through a grief period because literally everything I had based my life on was no longer true. So now what do we do? How do we navigate? And I'd just come across the information of a generation and I was a little shaky at the time because coincidentally, I used to be scared of dead people. Um, so, so I was like, funny that, it's so weird. Yeah. And I was like, you know, there's one dead person I know I could trust and that would be my grandpa. So I was like, you know what, let me just put it out there. And I was just like. Driving home to go take care of my dad, who's now on the other side. And I was like, you know, Papa, if this is right, I need you to let me know'cause I don't really know what I'm doing. I don't know what's going on and I don't wanna spend and waste time if this is, you know, not where I'm going. Take a nap. I'm at my mother's house and. King knows this, but I wear glasses. I'm blind as a bat without these contacts or glasses. And so I didn't have glasses on, I didn't have contacts on. And I woke up and my grandfather was sitting in a chair across from my mom's bed, legs crossed, looking very pleasant. And he just nodded. He didn't say anything. And it was like that sense of understanding that he was saying, keep going, like this is the way you're supposed to go. And then after that I was like sitting at the red light on the way home. And I just remember I was bawling.'cause I was like, okay, no matter how much it hurts, no matter how uncomfortable it gets, I just wanna know what the truth is. So y'all gotta show me what the truth is and then here we are and everything has unfolded. So, yeah, that is incredible. That makes me go,'cause I know you, this is part of your study and I know what an incredible, we'll call you an OC cultist and an esoteric study or, and, and you're so knowledgeable. I'm gonna ask you a big question because someone, maybe it was one of the ancestors asked me this. So, you know, in your, in, in your history and, and with your roots and now the overlay of Christianity on top of that, do you believe that if people hadn't been uprooted and colonizers hadn't have come and done what they have done? Our, you know, my ancestors and so on. W and the, the full expression of the a TR religions and being able to express ancestor work, I can't even imagine how different the world would be if that had happened. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So when it comes to like integrating in, so, so when you're working with students and they're first coming to you and they're going through exactly what you're talking about, how do you end up. Working them through that process.'cause I, I know what you do and how much magic and how much you help them deconstruct. Yeah. Can you chat about that? Sure. So a couple of things.'cause I like the way you posed the question, right? Like, what would've happened if, so, I'm, I'm very much a realist, right? And through my study of lit just humanity and how people. Act. It is. It is really my true belief that regardless, even though that was a horrific thing and it caused so much injury, and we got to be so creative in having to reconnect due to history, I'm very aware of the fact that even if we'd never been pulled from that land, there were still systems and ways in which humans choose to separate and segregate. Right? So there may have been parts of. The continent that chose Christianity like they do now. And understanding that it could come from all different sources and ways. So one of the ways that I like to pose to them is your soul will find its path regardless of the journey. So looking at how far away from where I am now than I was, I often try to explain to them that whatever you came back here to learn, you're gonna learn. It's gonna find you, it's gonna look for you, and you're gonna find you because there is no logical explanation as to why this southern girl from Texas is now talking to on a every basis and working with Kion. And, and none of this makes any sense. And I think the main thing with this is to throw away logic and embrace the feeling of it all and understanding that. Especially as African Americans, how they were separated and still found their way back through different practices like who do and things like that, where they had to cultivate and create a survival system. So I feel like whether you're from India or you're from Ireland, or you're from Africa, your soul will find its way to whatever your purpose of calling is. And so I'm just here to help them figure out. What their path is to their truth, so, yeah. Wow. Because Keisha works with, you know, all ethnicities, all e everybody from e every walk of life. Yeah. And I mean, and it's amazing to me also how the, I feel like the ancestors are, are just cheerleading, Keisha. They're like, go, go, go. Keep going. Yeah. You're doing amazing. I mean, you're really, it just so incredible. So. If I was, if we were talking to our, our audience today, if people are wanting to learn about what is ancestral generation,'cause a lot of people don't know what it is. And I would love to know, you know, then further how people can get started doing it and, and also the benefits. There's so much to unpack, so much, so much, so much to unpack, so much. I'm, I'm gonna take my time with this'cause it's such a, like, passion point for me so that I'm like. Run forward into, into the now, please. Um, I feel like when people find the subject, like it starts to show up for them, that's a signal that, okay, maybe I need to start reaching out, looking into this. Kind of like with ate, like if you're, if you're starting to see her name everywhere, if you're starting to get the, if you're doing the things, I'm like, girl, she's trying to reach out to you. So it's the, it's the same thing with like your ancestors. A lot of times people will come across information that they weren't previously pretty to a name, a, a heritage, all sorts of things. And it is the idea that when we pass on and we cross over to the other side, we don't stop. Right? Energy is neither created nor destroyed. It just changes form. One of the easiest ways to explain this is what I did for my daughter. She's five by the way. A very curious Gemini. Um, and so, um, when my dad died, it'll be two years ago in April she didn't get to say goodbye'cause he died of like COVID and asbestos and he was like in insecure room with all the things. And so she's been trying to figure out like, well, where's pop pop? Like I see him, he was in the casket, he looked asleep and she's like, so does he sleep forever? Like, how does this work? What's going on? And so having to take a very elementary understanding for her to understand. So I got a pot of water and I was like, you see there's water in the pot. She's like, yeah. So then I was like boiling the water and I was like, you see the steam that's going up? Like you could see it at first and then it disappears. And she's like, yeah. I said, but it's still in the air. And she's like, Uhhuh. I said, so that's kind of how popup is. Can't touch him, but he's always around. So she said, okay. And so now she's very comfortable with. Was in her little pendulum, she'll walk over to the altar and she'll be like, PopPop, his birthday just passed. And she's like, I think PopPop needs some cake. I said, I don't know how you got that, but we can make that happen. And so and so she'll put things on the altar. And so it's the idea to keep a very childlike approach to connecting with family. Your relationship is your relationship. If you were the baby, you'll always be their baby if you're their 9000th descendant. You're their great-great-great-great grandbaby, and they treat you as such, and it is such a loving and confirming practice because it helps you to self-identify with loving and venerating them. You're loving and venerating what makes up you. And so you're really learning that all these beautiful things about yourself, and it's really a self-love journey because the things that you may have previously criticized yourself about, you're like, you know what? Maybe that was great Aunt Hannah's issue. Maybe I need to love myself and her through that. Maybe this isn't such a bad thing. Maybe. Maybe my great-great-grandfather was an alcoholic because he was under so much pressure. Maybe I need to understand where these habits are coming from. And so it really does like pull in all the parts of you and it becomes a table for me. For all pathways of my practice. And through it, they're learning things from me too. I remember when I first, when I first started working with the Ian and I had an ancestors that was a, she's, you know, good Catholic Louisiana, Cajun woman, and I was burning a candle and my alter used to be in my kitchen and my husband was like, Keisha, come downstairs. And I was like, okay. I come downstairs. And there is a literal picture of a skull like turned back with like a black cape on looking fierce, like very angry. And my husband's like, I'm really pissed out. You piss somebody up. I was like, clearly, clearly. And I know who this is and I know what she's upset. So then having to like sit with that answers a word meal and people like, so I know this looks crazy. This isn't what you think it is. And now being like. Like blouse altars next to theirs and this was, and they're like, girl, just whatever.'cause we see you just doing things. And so before you even get to that, it's like super simple. You can put out a glass and a white candle and just call in your up uplifted, enlightened, and benevolent ancestors like, and I love to say the known and the unknown because the unknown is so vast. We come from so many different pathways. So many different life forms. And so you wanna call in all the help, you won't leave anything on the table. Exactly. That's Keisha. Benevolent, uplifted, enlightened. Like I literally make that an acronym when I tell people, yeah, okay, this is what Keisha taught me. Mm-hmm. That is so beautiful. And that makes me feel so emotional because it, it just reminds me of why would you turn away all this connection? I mean that it just it's, it's absolutely such an incredible thing. I just love it. Now, I, I was gonna say, Loren has a question. I can just see her. She can, she can feel like things I know. Alright, so let's pretend I know nothing about any of this. Okay. Other than people on the there. Okay. We got our relatives on the, I got, I have two totally separate questions. I'm gonna go with this one first though. Okay. Why? If someone's in spirit, are we so like, why did you bake your pop pop a cake? He can't eat the cake. Right? Put the cake out. Why are we, why are we doing physical offerings for people on the other side? Whether that's our relatives, whether those are deities. Why are we doing that? What is that connection and how does that benefit us? Or why, why would we, how does that make us closer to them? So everything is energy, right? And I like to tell people that there's the physical and there's what's mirrored on the energetic side. So we bake the cake clearly, daddy can't get to the cake. However, comma, what he can do it as a spirit is intake that energy, the energy of the love and the intention, and that it's your. It was your birthday and we're thinking about you, um, possibly getting in like the smells. There are like spiritual gifts where people have senses through olfactory. They'll smell us, their guard, they'll do this and so that's how they sense that their spirits around. And so even though they cannot physically get the things, it is a show and a, an image of your love of you taking the time to do this for someone. Who physically cannot be here. That's how much I love you. Even if you can't touch me, even if you can't hug me anymore, I'm gonna take the time to do these things for you as a symbol of the fact that that love is still going. And so it's a symbolic way of continuing that relationship and it benefits your life because spiritually speaking, there are a lot of things that we may not see coming. Or that we may not be aware of in our everyday physical life. And through dreams and signs and all sorts of things, they will get you the message ahead of time. So they save us a lot of, lot of headache and heartache. And even when the headache and the heartache hits, they give us the strength to get through that thing without losing it. So, yeah. Thank you. And do you feel, do you feel like the, the offering. Is more to benefit the spirit or us. I think it is maybe 50 50. And the way, the reason why I say that is for one, it's reminding us to consistently take care of ourselves, right? Like, stop, think, feed yourself. Allow yourself to sweet things, enjoy the things. It also makes you consciously remember who this person was. Or what they meant in your life, right? Even if they're ones that you've never met, you're building a relationship and with any type of relationship you have to reciprocate, right? So that, that feels part of it. And it definitely benefits the spirits because they always say like, you die twice when you really die. And then the last day someone says your name. And so it is the remembering like, you're not really gone to us. No matter how many generations down, even when we don't remember your name, your spirit's gonna be remembered. So I feel like that offering is just really that anchor to be like, come on over. You are welcome here. Wow. That was, oh, I, okay. That's a lot to sit with. Now. I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna mute myself and just sit back that, and I'll bring, I'll bring my other question here in a little bit. I'm, I have a feeling Michelle's got questions too. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. This is so fascinating. Like. As a medium. I'm fully aware that even though our loved ones move into the spirit realm, they do want to connect with us. Those of us still here in embodiment, they want to bring us messages and help us with our life path and the whole like I know they do. I experienced that. And I also, I mean, you know, we, we talk about like when we're born into this physical embodiment, it's like there's this deliberate amnesia about certain things. Like we have all these questions, we can get glimpses into what the answers might be, but there's always some of it that will remains a mystery, right? Yeah. So, but I, I, I, I don't know. I feel like we're kind, we're on this journey to remember, right? To remember who we really are. Mm-hmm. What do you think, what is the main thing our ancestors want us to remember? What do they want us to remember? You know what I mean? I think for me, like the seed of, I'll say the collective ancestors, right? Because as a medium, we talk to everybody's focus. Right, right. And so, um, I feel like the overall overarching message is you're more powerful than you think. I think when they cross over and they were realizing I really could have done that. I could have had that experience. I could have taken that trip. I could have married that person. I could have, I could have. But I didn't think I was strong enough. I didn't think I was powerful enough. I was worthy enough. And so it's about recognize your power and then once you're tapping into knowing who's around, who's behind you, the power is now amplified. And so I feel like that's the thing that overarching from Fiji to Indian to to Chinese, to everybody's like, tell them that they can do this. They can absolutely do this because a lot of times in the physical things will look more difficult than they actually are. Right? And because they have a clear perspective, they can see the whole picture before the after the future, right? Yes. They can see the pathway through that we can't, and they're like, yes, you can. So beautiful. Yeah. Okay. Beautiful. I love that. Thank you. You are welcome. I have a, another burning question. You and I have chatted about this before, but being that you are a spiritual practitioner, so you work with a myriad of spirits and Keisha is an incredible encyclopedia and so knowledgeable about all the different types of spirits there are, so please, you know, make sure that you're following her everywhere and learning.'cause she teaches me things all the time. Can, and this is a big one, how, like when are the times when you're wanting to lean into your ancestors? And then talk to us also about your spiritual practice working with different spirits. And as someone who's starting out, what do you recommend? And okay, that's a good one.'cause I do work with quite a few. Um, yes, you do. So, so, um, I guess just to give, to give the listener like an idea, right? So, um. Love her down, like mama, whatever she needs, like she has helped so much, especially as a medium. She does so much with helping the other side of this side and cutting and clearing things. Of course, work with the Ian, work with, you know, work in that. All of these things. For someone who's just getting started, I say go slow. Start off with your ancestors, right? The reason why I say start with your ancestors. Is your family. They love you, they want the best for you. And what happens with them is they become what I like to call your spiritual advocacy team, right? So they're on the other side, they can see what's coming, they can see what shouldn't be coming. And so any energies or entities that you're not ready to work with, they'll keep it at bay, but she's not ready for that day. We're gonna start off over here and pay attention to what comes up for you. Ganesh was the first one that came to me. However, I was living in an apartment complex with like 95% Hindu occupation, and so, you know, they're having a Diwali festival across the hall from me, shoes all outside. I don't know what's going on, but I'm beginning my practice and then I'm starting to see stuff about Ganesh everywhere. So he chose to come where he was already being venerated and nurtured, and I was like, oh. So that's who that is. I've seen that little elephant man everywhere. I didn't know who that was. So look, they, they'll come to you and so don't rush it. Start with your people and then once you've started with your people, whomever starts to pique your interest, do your research. Remember, it's a relationship. You don't want to take somebody, go to someone's dinner party. This is a good thing. You don't wanna go to someone's dinner party and the host doesn't drink and you bring a bottle of work, like, what are we doing? Like, read the room, your homework, y'all Yes, read the room. We gonna, what do they like? What do they not like? So then that way when you're coming in, you're like, hi, my name is Keisha. I know you like these little candies, brought some little candies. And I just wanna get to know like, what do you do? What do I do? I'm just trying to get to know and just have a conversation and trust what you hear. Yeah, don't second use yourself. I don't care how crazy it sounds.'cause trust me, I heard the crazy. Just write it down and come back to it later. It'll make sense. I think as mediums, we say that all the time. We like teachers all four because all four of us teach. I think we said it, but just listen, the first thing that comes into your head is real. The second thing is you're talking yourself out of it. So that makes absolutely perfect sense. Yeah. Every time. I love when the ancestors are so clear too. Like as an example. Yeah. I've been having a lot of wonderful things in the last few weeks happened in my practice with them and yesterday, so I've been, I'm working on a money altar specifically, so I've got it all set. I was thinking I was gonna work right with one of like an archangel or somebody else was coming in. My ancestors were like, hello? Hello. Yeah, and the first thing I heard them say to me is, you need to put corn on the altar and mead. I don't know where I'm getting mead, Keisha. I don't know where that's coming from, but I was like, Mead, check out Etsy. We'd be finding weird stuff on et. We got what got what we need. But I was like, then I looked at, and then I Very specific, right, like you're saying, totally trust the process. And again, the earth element of the fact that they've walked on this earth and they have stepped in the places you've stepped is so powerful. When it makes things happen. And have you noticed a difference between just a little more sublime, say you're working with like one of the saints and then say you're working with one of your ancestors as far as how things may, may show up for you manifestation wise or how that might unfold? I think that's a really good question because now I'm like, so with like for one with Saint. Anytime I work with saints, it's always like an awesome, how did you do that type of situation? For me, especially with like St. Anthony in particular St. Expedite, I be like, how did you do this? And I mean like crazy, like the person got fired and then they called back and said. We made a mistake. Can we have you back? Like that type of, what the heck? Wow. Wow. Yeah. That's manifesting right now. That's a good one. Um, yeah, that was, that was crazy. My ancestors feel more normal stuff. Yeah. Like, you, you need, you need money for grocery. You check and then all of a sudden somebody's like, oh, well, you know, I've had grocery show up at the front door. Like they DoorDash to the wrong door or something, and then I called a return and they're like, you can't, you can't take it back. So things like that. It's more practical with them. Yeah. Than it is. And that's why I like that you said the corn and the meat. Yeah. Because my folks are like, put some rice, get some black eye peas. Yes. Put that up there. Put a little oil sit down somewhere, be still God, and do the thing. You know? I love that. And they've probably given you so many things over the years. So many like nuggets of connection and, and things that make things work. I had really quick story recently, one of my family members going through a tough time, one of my, you know, loved ones, um, not in my direct family, but in my circle, and my dad was an attorney and had connections like nobody's business. Specifically where this relative lives now. And I swear the things that have happened over the last month that could have just not like things working out, things that could have been more difficult unwinding. And I said to this person, oh yeah, my dad's working on that. He's making things happen. That probably would've never been able to happen because of his energy. His, this is his, this is his stomping ground, you know, phenomenal. Just actually. That point that you just said, Hey, this is my dad. That acknowledgement helps to fuel them as well. Wow. Because it's like I'm not just working over here and nobody's acknowledging my work. Like you physically name the one that you know that's handling it.'cause when like certain things pop up in my business, I'm like Uncle Larry, like I know who that is. I know who did that. And it helps to fuel their spirit to feel like, okay. They see me, they understand and giving them credit for that work. I think that's important. And you also, something I love about you so much besides a million other things, is the fact that you're so in your certainty about what you're getting. That you make it easy for your students to then go, oh, I did hear the corn. I did hear, I saw the, I saw the clover. And that actually worked. Like the fact that you lay that down with such faith is incredible. Really is incredible. I think part of helping them get to that is letting them know I was just as uncertain as you were. I would pull 17 cards for one question. I would, I would ask for 35 like signs. Like they'd be like, you've seen the blue bird. You've seen the blue bird. Like they were tired of me. So like to know that like, that's okay to be there. You'll get here eventually. And I think that's, that's a big part of it, like,'cause a lot of times when they'll see people like us that like teach your girl. You are on the socials, you're on YouTube, you're everywhere. And they're like, oh my gosh. I a young lady last Friday. And she was like, I can't believe I'm talking to you. And I'm like, girl, I'm a person. Like whatcha talking about? Hold on, I gotta make some chicken nuggets. I'll be right back. It's normal. It's normal over here. And I think normalizing these extraordinary gifts that we have, normalizing that this is not such fringe as it used to be. It helps them to be like, okay, I'm not crazy. This is normal. I can live a normal life and do this. Like, I think that's a big part of it too, that they don't feel like they have to be woo woo and all the time. Like go pour club glass of water and turn on Netflix. Like it's fine. You're okay? Yeah, I gotta read that. Please go for it. Okay. I'm gonna do another sharp left turn. We love them. I love those. What if you're adopted? What if you got someone adopted who says. I don't know my ancestors, I don't know my, I've got, who am I venerating? Who am I calling in if I know nothing about my ancestors? Then what? And then I got another question too. I wrote'em down though, so I don't forget. Good for you. I love it. So for all my adoptive babies,'cause I have a lot of those. You may not know them, but they know you, right? Even though someone in the bloodline made the decision. To divert you to another bloodline's care. That doesn't mean they all said you. They didn't want you there. They still very much feel like you're theirs. And I feel like those people are double blessed.'cause you're loved twice. You're loved by the ones you literally came through, and then there's a whole nother bloodline that you had nothing to do with that saw like how amazing your soul was and was like, we have to go get them. And Mup on them and take care of them. So you've got two sets that you can really pull on and really your adopted bloodline you can really tap in'cause those people went and looked for you and found you. And then the ones who you were originally from, they have a path of reclaiming reclamation that they're trying to do. So they will send you signs. You will literally had a young lady, she said, I've never had, I've never met my dad. This was about two years ago. She never met her dad. She didn't know who her daddy was. Mom had been lied about who her daddy was my whole life. She's 42 years old, right? All of a sudden, the grandmother who raised her, which is her adoptive grandmother, is now like in her early eighties. She's gone to go help her grandmother clean and her grand's like, well, you know, I guess it's time. I need to start giving you some stuff. She gives her a box. There's a picture of her dad, his name. Some rings that he had. She called me in tears. I didn't know that. I said, I told you he'd been listening the whole darn time. And he's like, I'm here now. I'm fully able to push my way through. So they'll find a way, but long story short, take care of'em both and they'll take care of me. Double protect. Wow. Double blessed. Yeah. That is incredible. Now what if. You have that ancestor. Okay. I'm gonna just say it to me. What if you've got a relative that, like my dad is on the other side, I don't wanna hear from him. Yes. I don't want because he was not a good person here in this lifetime. So how do I still, but then like that spiritualist side of me is like, oh, but I learned something from him. I've got, I've got the DNA running through me. It. How do you help people who have that going on where you still wanna, I'm not setting up an al, my dad's not even allowed to come through my stuff. He's definitely not getting an altar. Right. So how do you help people from an ancestral point of view and, and understanding? Or do you just have the, do those relatives, maybe those ancestors come in and, oh, okay. I'm answering my own question. Come in and help us in ways on the backend that we are not aware and, and teach us things that they should have done better. I, I dunno what, can you speak on that? Spiritual boundaries are real boundaries. If they weren't good to you over here, why the heck would you want'em to be bothered with'em over there? You have a right to be like, yeah, nah, buddy. We're not, we are not going, we we're not friends. We're not friends. We're not really friends. And, and on a more serious note, I think that brings up. The ideal of, that's why we say benevolent, uplifted, and enlightened because not everybody in the bloodline was good. There were people who harm children. There were all sorts of people that I'm like, yeah, no, there's a hard no. And that's where your guardian ancestors come in. When you ask the ones who were strong and are serious about you and your family's protection set of a boundary, we don't want them here. It's not my responsibility to help them on the other side, let them go through those life and soul cycles to come to that conclusion on their own. But no, you do not have to incorporate them. And I think again, that translates into your physical life when there are people that are not good to us here and we have that spiritual side that's like, well, maybe I should forget. No, absolutely not. It's not a good person. Keep keep it pushing. Right. That is so, I, I love the boundary. I love the, not the love and light, you know? Absolutely. That is not, and that's not happening here. This is so incredible. Mm-hmm. I know I have so many questions every time I think Michelle has a question. I do, I do. Okay. I have a, I have a question. So can you speak to how connecting with our ancestors can help, uh, heal generational patterns or trauma? Like how can we. Ask for help, you know? Good one. That's a real good one. I think it's a, it's paired with like shadow work. I see it as part of shadow work, right? Because you're talking about generational trauma. Mm-hmm. Generational things that are hidden for most of us, that's, you know, no one talks to Bruno. Like there are certain things we just Right. We don't bring up as family. And so, um, part of the shadow work with this is. You're coming across certain things that you notice have been repeating in your family. For some people it's imprisonment. Like every male for some day, everybody's going to jail. Well, that's a problem. Everybody should not be going to jail or it seems like nobody for generations can hold onto a dollar. That's a generational trauma. And so in those instances, that's where I start to employ. My energy's outside of my ancestors. Right? That's when I'm asking certain things, like I'll talk to that. She's an excellent with cutting cords on things, ending cycles, right? Life and death. And so asking her, Hey, there was a gambling problem, and I don't want that to continue. I don't, I don't want my daughter to be, you know, addicted to scratch offs, whatever it is, right? And ask her to end it with whomever was the last person that had that. Attachment. And so it is asking for that even if it's not, if people who aren't com you know, comfortable with like cycle water thing, you can talk to Archangel Rael, like psych, same energy. It's about ending those cycles. And then usually, and I do say usually'cause it's not all the time, but 90% of the time, the last person in the bloodline that was truly affected by that, whatever it was. Wants to be the last person. Yeah.'cause it did so much damage in their life. Right. And so speaking to them and being like, okay, we don't want this to continue forward. What advice do you have? And then, like Carrie was saying, listen, listen to what you hear. Are they telling you on every Wednesday you need to put up a, a cup of ginger tea? And then you go look up ginger and you realize, oh. That's going to, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And so they're going to help you because so much of their lives were ruined by whatever this was. They don't wanna see it happen, especially if you have kids, they're like, definitely don't want it to hit the babies. So what do I gotta do on this side to help stop it? So that's, that's definitely a way to, to handle that. Beautiful. Yeah. Thank you for, for talking about that. You know, I think even the families that on the surface it seems like everything's perfect. There's always something. Every family has something and your heart's just breaking for the people being affected by it. And it, you see the psych, the cyclical nature, nature of it, right? It just seems to perpetuate and perpetuate. So that, thank you personally, I find that very helpful. Yeah. That's great. That's beautiful. That part of what, when we were talking about that, that comes to mind.'cause I work with a lot of L-G-B-T-Q-I-A like tons, right? Yeah. And a lot of them have come through in this current lifecycle. Families who may not understand, may not support, may have thrown them out, may have caused a lack of trauma. And what I have found for a lot of them is I'm like, I promise you. You're not the first one. I guarantee you that. You got a auntie, a uncle that nobody talked about. That's right. Their friend, they just live with a friend child. They're just friend. Yep. And her friend Amanda, they were not friends. Yeah. So I'm like, if you, if you look and you ask them who was like me, who can help me live my life to the fullest expression, it'll come out. I have a student that's current. She was fighting that she was a lesbian all this time. The whole time we worked together. I'm like, that's why these relationships are work about you do not like men, but okay, here we go. And so come to find out, her grandmother wanted desired, was truly in love with women and could not express herself. Yeah, due to the time. Right now she's doing it. You know, I had a dream about my grandma and such and such, da, da da da, and I was like, mm-hmm. Now she's, now she's like, I'm on the apps and I'm dating and I'm like, have blast, have good time.'cause sometimes that type of trauma of just not being able to be seen. Right. Um, I'm going to end this point with, with this, about two weeks ago, client's ancestor came through and it was about not being seen. And he had been whispering his name to her every session to who is so and so who She kept bringing up his name, finally went into like a deep trance and saw a lot of things, and we were talking. He told her, he said, I wish you all could tell all of our descendants no matter who they are. Thank you for listening to our whispers when nobody listen to our screams. Wow. That just gives me the chills on. Oh man. Beautiful. I'm always like a volunteer because I think about the different times and how blessed we are to live at the time that we're living. Even though there's crazy stuff, there's always crazy stuff, but we have the most access to each other, to information, to freedom, to like, ugh. And it just breaks your heart to realize of what they didn't have access to. Gosh. And so now you're continuing on for them, their experiences through us. They didn't get a chance to experience, so Yeah. Yeah. I've I've had that conversation where Spirit kinda laid that at my doorstep with, you know, we're still learning through you. Right? Yeah. Yeah. That, that, that's one of the reasons they show up for us is not just for us, but for themselves as well, even in spirit, that they continue learning through us. So fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. So this has been so incredible and I, I have, we have, I have a final beautiful question for our listeners, and, and this has been amazing. We're gonna have you back on, I have, I mean, I have so many more questions. I got more questions when the question is like, then there's 20 more questions, that's not a good problem to have. So, but for those newbies, just circling back, and I love that you said this simple representation, but what would you. Suggest for those brand new folks who are wanting to start this process, what do you recommend? A glass of water, right? A white candle. If you're living with other people and they're in your business, right? You don't, you don't want them to know what you're doing. You can just leave a glass of water by your bedside light and white candle before you go to bed at night. Blow it out when you leave. Keep it simple. And the other thing I will suggest,'cause this is very safe, but it's very effective, is free writing. So it is my favorite thing to do is I'm like, get a pen and a piece of paper and just say to my uplifted, enlightened, and benevolent ancestors known and I know, I welcome you to write through me now and just start writing whatever's on your, your brain. I'm having my dogs for lunch. Worried about not paying my cell phone bill, whatever it is. Yeah. And just keep writing. And what happens is the most beautiful thing is suddenly your penmanship is going to change. You're just gonna start writing about some random thing that you didn't know anything about. When you go back and read it, the tone of voice is not gonna be your own. You may find some misspellings, and what happens is not only are you getting to experience them in real time, but it gives you a physical testimony. To come back to that. I'm not crazy. I really did hear this, and it's a month later and that happened. And that helps to build your confidence in what you're doing and that it's real and that they're really waiting to talk to you and to be in relationship with you and just allow yourself to take your time from. Put a glass water candle, a pen and a pad. That's it. That's all you need, so easy. Well, Keisha, the first thing I wanna say before we go is please let us know, first of all, how can people work with you. I, we're gonna put all your links in our show notes, so everybody, I know all your socials as well as all your links, but what are you, what are you working on mostly with your clients and students at the moment, Keisha? So, I just opened the House of Dominion and it is I love you so much. So it's a, it's a spiritual school that I've started and it's online, right? And so, um, it's a three year initiatory thing, so like. You come in at the base, right, where you're just starting to deprogram and you're trying to figure out what to do on a Sunday.'cause you used to go every Sunday to church. So now you're trying to figure out what the heck's going on. And then you go into the second year where you're learning more, and then the third year where you're kind of embodying things. Um, so anybody who's interested in joining me in the House of Dominion they can find the link for that in all my socials link. I'm on TikTok and Instagram at Big Craft Works and um, if they go to my Link tree, they can find the application for that. And like I said, I'm on TikTok and Instagram and if they're interested in actually readings I do general readings, I do ancestral readings. I do love readings. And I do them recorded mostly just so that they can go back and watch it 50 letter times to see what I said and if that worked or not. And I do live readings, and those are available@tarotoracle.com. So yeah, that's, that's what I'm, that's what I'm up to. Oh God. There's so much goodness. I can, yes. All the good grades. How mean are you joking with that? Terry's losing her mind? Yes. She's losing time off. I have to really say it. I do have a little bit of a love wi, well, I have a bigger love with Keisha's dad in the spirit world. That's such a love for him. And I feel like he's saying, he comes to me and says, can you tell her about this thing? Like it's related to, you know, supporting her in her work.'cause she's so incredible. But I've also, I just text her the other day. I was like, you have to do this other thing. I I, they're telling me. Yeah. And it's funny too that you brought up dad.'cause when you said she's an encyclopedia of spirits and I heard him literally be like. Well, at least all that money on those Britannica didn't go to waste, you know? So you did Britannica. Britannica. I love him. Yes. I was like, I get it, sir. I get it. But yeah. Oh my gosh. Well thank you so much being my friend, my sister. Thank you. Thank you. It's been awesome and it's been so wonderful, like hanging with you guys. I love being in spaces with women that are doing this work. It's just, it's very good. We're gonna have soul happy today, so. Oh my gosh. All right, well we wish you so much and I'll give my baby a hug too. I definitely will. I know. All right. Alright, bye.