Liminal Lounge Mediums Ep. 8 — Past Lives (Part 1): Parallel Realities, Soul Contracts & What Regression Really Reveals

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In this episode, hosts Carey Kaas, Lorenda Carr, and Michelle Oyler dive deep into one of their most expansive topics yet — past lives. What are they, really? Are they actually in the past, or something happening right now? And what can exploring them reveal about your current life, relationships, and soul purpose?

Through personal stories, client experiences, and years of regression practice, the hosts explore past life regression from multiple angles — quantum physics, natural law, consciousness, and mediumship — while openly admitting there's still so much none of us truly know.

Whether you're a curious beginner or a seasoned practitioner, this conversation will stretch your thinking and leave you with plenty of questions of your own.

Topics Covered

• What past lives actually are — and why they may not be "past" at all
• Parallel realities, infinite timelines, and the observer effect
• QHHT and BQH: what they are and how they differ
• Dolores Cannon's legacy and her influence on regression work
• The Netflix analogy: how to understand soul lives and parallel realities
• Why certain past lives surface in regression — and what that means
• Soul contracts, blueprints, and the role of free will
• Deja vu: pre-planned experience or tapping into another timeline?
• Natural law and whether we pre-plan our incarnations at all
• Walk-in souls: what they are and real client experiences
• Past life readings vs. past life regression — key differences
• How past life work connects to healing in the present
• Family lineage, soul efficiency, and returning to the same lines
• Finding purpose: using past life insight to understand your path now
• The importance of staying grounded in the present moment

Notable Quotes

"We're really just scratching the surface — and we are okay with that."

"It's not about the past. It is now."

"Learn from your past, plan for your future, but be in the present — because that is what you have."

"We are constantly learning, constantly evolving. Being open to the idea that we don't know everything — that's what the human experience is about."

"Every client I work with, I learn something new."

Connect with Your Hosts

Carey Kaas — Medium & Mentor
🌐 www.careykaas.com
✉️ carey.thepsychic@gmail.com

Lorenda Carr
🌐 www.lorendacarr.com
✉️ spiritualinsightnetwork@gmail.com

Michelle Oyler
🌐 www.michelleoylermystic.wordpress.com
✉️ mysticmedium7@gmail.com

Transcript

Carey 0:02

When I think about this topic and this episode, I'm grateful to Spirit. I'm very grateful to Spirit because this topic, this episode introduced me to my bestie Lorenda Carr- Woo! and then led me to Michelle Oyler. Woo! Woo. And, and so I'm so excited to share with you that today we are starting this mammoth topic of past lives. And, uh, s- we... There's so many connections, and there's so much to chew on and talk about, and we're very... We're really looking forward to this. So I'm gonna just kick it off by saying, first of all, hello to my friend Michelle Oyler. How are you? Hey. I'm good. I'm excited for today, of course. This is a great topic. I ha- and I have a lot of questions, to be honest. So I'm, I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. And we have a lot of questions too. Even though we- Right we have a lot of experience, but we have a lot of questions ourselves, so. Sure. And by the way, Michelle, you can't see this everybody, but Michelle's having an amazing hair day. Oh, she really is. So is Lorenda. She really is. Lorenda's having an amazing hair day. Oh, well. She is. Thanks. Maybe by season two, then we'll get video back online for... I think that's probably happening, but we're getting ours- ourselves all sorted. And to my bestie LoLo, Lorenda, how are you? Are you so... I don't even wanna say the word excited. I would say are you so ready for this topic? Ooh, I'm so beyond ready. You know, I... This is literally one of my favorite topics to discuss because it... You know, being QHHT practitioner and, and BQH practitioner, I deal with a lot of past life work, and not just the curiosity of it, but understanding the energy behind it. So I'm t- I'm telling you, I... E- every, every client I work with, I get... I learn something new, and this is just one more example of I know we're gonna pick each other's brains, and there's gonna be more information come out and more understanding. And at the end of the day, we're still gonna understand nothing. Right. That's what we were saying in the beginning. We were like,"But guess what? We're just scratching the surface." We're not even- We really don't know anything, and we are okay with that. Yeah. We're okay with that. I'm... Yeah. I'm really looking forward to seeing where this conversation goes because I know we all have questions. Um, and, and I'm, I'm ex- I'm, I'm looking forward to diving into this a bit. I would say deep dive would be a good conversation. Oh. Deep dive in a, in a very deep pool, even an ocean. So really quick backstory. So, uh, Lorenda and I, when we met about three or four years ago now, one of the things that drew us together was that, uh, Lorenda, uh, you know, with her amazing amount of work, uh, being a regression therapist, uh, and also- studying herself. Um, knowing that I did work in the Akashic records, sh- we connected and said,"W- what can we learn from each other?" I mean, that's- Mm really how things started, and then we saw how everything just started dovetailing, and you'll, you'll learn, you'll learn all about that as we go on. But that's really one of the reasons why we said we, we have to do this topic. This is a big one. Right. This is a big one for us. So I'm gonna actually kick it over to Lorenda. Um, she has an amazing- Mm amount of, uh, like, great questions and points that we're gonna be covering. And again, this will be episode part one, because we already know that there's gonna be several episodes. Yep. So we'll keep you up to date. Everything will be sort of time-stamped to what we're covering in this episode, everyone. And if you have questions, now you can actually email us and send us. In the show notes, all the links are there. We'd love to hear from you. We love your questions and getting your feedback, so please let us know. So Lorenda- Yes I'm gonna ask you a question first. Yes. Ask away.'Cause I thought of this, my guides gave me this, this morning. It was probably Fielding was saying,"Why don't you ask Lorenda how she got interested in wanting to become a QHHT practitioner and s- to work in past life regression?" Like, how did that even start for you? I don't even know if I've asked you that question, so. This, actually, this makes me laugh, because this is such a big Leo energy thing. You guys are gonna say,"Oh, wait, this, this tracks for Lorenda." Um, especially'cause Michelle knows my backstory with my tap company. Yeah. And, and so I am that person that, that... Do you guys remember the, the, the cartoon movie with Robin Williams, Robots? Do you remember that movie? I don't think so, no. He says, the whole concept of, of it is like,"See a need, fill a need." Hmm. So I had been obsessed with past life regression, hypnos- like my entire life. Like, I'd always wondered, like, who was I in a past life?'Cause that's something that my mom was like,"Oh man, I know I was... I had to have been something, da, da, da, past life." And then, and then I remember my grandmother having a portrait on the wall of somebody from the 14th century with a knight's helmet. Mm. And we'd ask her, you know,"What's this? Why is this here?" And they're like,"Oh," she'd say,"Oh, a, an, an artist painted that of me. It's a past life." Wow. I know. I didn't know that. See? Yeah. Yeah. And I, by the way, I need that picture to be manifested. It's gotta be somewhere. Nobody knows where it is. Anyway, I want that picture hanging on my wall. Mm-hmm. So it's always been part of a conversation. We just,"Well, in a past life." That's just, my family's just always said that. I could not find a past life regressionist anywhere local. Um, and then I finally found one, and she says,"Oh my gosh, I've been looking for a medium." I'm like,"Oh, great. Check it out." Win-win, right? Mm. Um, and but then she said,"But I'm not practicing anymore. I don't practice QHHT anymore. I do a whole different modality that I just include some of the things I learned." I was like,"Okay, but would you be willing to do it for me?" You know, just, just in case. And so she actually, she kind of pushed back a little bit, and then I decided after sitting on it for about a month or so, how about I just become one? Mm. Mm-hmm. And then all of a sudden, because of COVID, it was 2020, because of COVID, QHHT was now online. It had never been an online certification. So I jumped in and started learning it because, cool, if I can't find anybody, then I might as well become one myself. But then she was willing to actually put me into regression and allow me to experience one for myself, um, before I started working on other people. And, uh, so that, that's how I got into it. I'd always been into, like, into the idea of it, but never, never ha- was able to experience it until 2020. And then I ended up getting my certification by 2021. I was a, I've been a full-on practicing person, developing into, um, different modalities as well. Yes, exactly- Yeah'cause that's part of what happens is- Yeah that you get, you've, you get tapped into that, and then y- as you expand- Right. Mm-hmm and you get more downloads, which is a whole other avenue of when you start tapping into your own higher consciousness- Mm right, your f- your whole self. Yeah. And then- And, and also, and understanding when I started doing this, the more people I worked with, the more I started realizing, oh, this isn't just about the past life and what we're doing now. There are so many layers to this, and there were, uh, clients that would come along occasionally that their experiences would be so mind-blowing, and the information that their higher selves were bringing through on such an insanely deep level that the client themselves were like,"Well, I read about it once. I just thought it'd be cool." And then their higher self comes in and drops all this knowledge. It was insane to me. It was absolutely insane. Being able to cross over to the other side, going into- Wow the Akashic records, taking their- Yes their soul to different places, and then them just saying,"Well, just so you know, um, it, it doesn't really work the way you think it does, but it's okay for you to understand it this way for right now." Yeah."This is what your human brain can comprehend, and that's okay. It's okay if you don't have all the answers." Oh, 1000%. Of course, my brain's going,"But is it though? Is it okay that I don't have all the answers?" So that's how I got into- doing, doing this. But because of also, because of the boundaries that QHHT, that's Dolores Cannon's version of quantum hypnosis healing- Right um, that was not allowed to be done virtually. Still is not. You cannot do it virtually. If someone- That's, yeah. That's- through Dolores Cannon experience, they have to be in person. Mm-hmm. I honor that, and that's exactly how I practice. Yeah. So like Carey, we are both also BQH. Yes. Certified- Mm beyond quantum healing, so we can do this work virtually. Mm. 100%. Yeah. And I think that was one of the reasons for me why, well, for just me personally,'cause I was like,"Well, I don't really wanna have to have another room or have to hi- get a room so I work on people. I wanna be able to do it virtually." So what, for me, just practically speaking, um, why I don't. But I, and I also love, um, you know, uh, being able to have the sort of versatility of doing it in all different types of pa- spaces. That's why it worked for me. But it is such a formidable, incredible training in what you've had, and foundationally incredible. I mean, all the mentors, all the people that where I've done all the certifications all trained with Dolores Cannon. Like my- Right. The one who- She wrote the book she did it for 25 years. Mm. The m- um, Myra from Soul Science Hypnosis, who's my mentor, and, and also of course, um, Candice, who, uh, does the BQH. She's also worked with Dolores, so Dolores was the pioneer of- She was of QH. Absolutely. Yep. You gotta give it to her. 1,000%. 1,000%. Okay, so I got a question for you. Oh, my gosh. Here we go. Hm. What if your past life isn't actually in the past? Think about that. Look at Michelle's face. Look at Michelle. What? She's like,"We were talking." What, and what if another version of you is making a completely different choice right now? Mm-hmm. And what if that version is influencing you? I love it. I'm shaking like a leaf. When we do a QHHT or BQH, th- we have to go back into the past life that makes the mo- that has the most connection or the most influence, the root cause of whatever it is you're going through, whatever is influencing the questions you're bringing forward. We tap into that particular lifetime. But over and over again, I've been told,"By the way, this isn't the past. It is now." Mm-hmm. Blows your mind. So what are your thoughts on that? What do you think? Michelle, you look like you have questions. Well, I d- I have so many questions for the two of you. I don't even know where to start because this is really interesting. Um, at Camp Chesterfield, which is where I was trained- Mm in all things spiritual, we were discouraged from engaging in past life regression. And I never could quite understand it why that was so discouraged. Isn't that interesting? That is interesting. Yeah. Um, well, I think, and I think I've heard a couple of them say out loud, you know, say,"Well, it's because you're supposed to be focused on this time." They're not saying they don't exist- Right but we're supposed to be focused on this spirit- Mm-hmm this time, this timeline right now. That's what I've been told because I'm,'cause I've asked. Right. What's the difference? Of course you've asked. Right. Of course I've asked. So the, the other thing that I've heard is that, um, um, anyone could tell someone,"Oh, you have a past life," whatever. Like- Mm-hmm like they don't... The, almost like they're trying to, um, I don't know, prevent any possibility of fraudulence or something, you know? I don't know. I don't know. But here's my thought on it, uh,'cause you, you were just saying this, like what if it's not in the past but is right now? This is why I think it is so important, uh, that we do look into this whole concept, right? I love this. I am so excited to talk about this because I have all these questions. Yes. So, like, this idea, like what you're saying, you know, are we remembering something that happened, past tense? Or are we- Mm tuning into something that is right now, right? So c- can I just explain kinda where I am on this, and then I have a couple q- follow-up questions? Absolutely. Yes. Okay. All right. Yes. Okay. So here we go. Here we go. So, you know, e- I love all things, uh, mystical, metaphysical, and science. Like, I think they all work together. I don't think it's separate. It... We're all talking about the same stuff. And especially, uh, quantum physics, right, kinda gets into all this a little bit. All right. So anyway, so I really, um... All right, how do, what... So these are my beliefs right now. This is where I am right now. Ask me in a week, it might be something totally different, right? And, and I definitely don't have any answers, but this is just kind of where my thoughts have been going. So at all times, there are infinite possibilities or infinite outcomes, if you will, available to us. And, and I believe that there are infinite, um, parallel versions of us that exist in the same field of potential, if you will, right? Okay? And if, if you can imagine it, it's possible. Okay? Okay. So in this field of infinite potential of possibilities, all things past, present, future exist simultaneously. I, I really believe this. Um, I also believe that- In this infinite field of potential, our soul experiences lives not merely as just humans, but maybe perhaps as other beings, maybe not just earthly, but maybe other planets, worlds, universes. Who knows, right? I think anything is possible, and, um, I believe that when we focus our awareness on one of these possibilities and emotionally connect with it, then that becomes our reality, then that's the one we're experiencing in the moment, if you will, right? Okay, I'm really getting, I'm getting to, to a, a question here. So, w- um, for those of us, um, who like quantum physics, I, I guess this would kind of go along with, like, the observer effect, okay? Whatever's being ob- when, when something's being... In that field of potential, when something's being observed, then that collapses into, quote,"reality." Okay. So here, um, how do I wanna ask this question? Um, so if we're, if you're, if we're thinking of it from this standpoint, right, this line of thinking, question number one: when we feel a resonance or a memory, are we r- are we re- are we recalling something that has already happened, or are we connecting to something that is in this moment unfolding, right? That's the question, quote, part one. And if infinite parallel versions of ourselves exist, why do we then connect with particular past lives? Does that make sense? All right. Yes. Makes perfect sense. Okay. Thank you. I cannot wait for the answers. It does. Ooh, that's... Okay, my brain is- Stick with it I know, I'm sorry reeling. My brain is re- There's so, there's so much in that that we're... I w- I mean, Lauren and I could, speaking from readings experience, personal experience, I would like to just share actually more personal experience for something that happened to me,'cause I think it's so relevant, and also my understanding of consciousness. And I'm gonna... There's a many stories, so I'm gonna keep it to the one. Okay. Um, in 2021, when many people were having even, like, a second awakening on this planet, many... I think even if we'd been on our path a long time, I think there was, you know, like, because of, uh, just the timing of everything, I think more and more people were coming awakened to different parts of themselves, reality, um, things that were happening. So it wasn't just with those of us who had been on the path for a while, it's for all consciousness. And I had, was having many experiences being visited by different- Entities, spirits, et cetera. And one day I was sitting, and that was when I was having particularly a lot of more extraterrestrial star being interactions- Mm-hmm visiting me, which was not the norm. I'll just leave it at that. More to come. But one of the ones that came to me was a massive blue being, a male, who felt like my brother. Like, I felt like I'd always known him, and I was of course standoffish, but I went through the process of getting to know him. A- And I did some astral travel there. I bio-located and went onto his, um, ship, which was off-planet. I- there's a lot of information connected to that. I will go, uh, through that in another episode. But the thing that was so amazing... And then we connected for probably a few weeks, a month, and then, you know, I moved on to my goddesses and my s- Mm and my other, you know, more connected to the earth. Mm-hmm. However, two years ago, I was doing my training again for my second training for past life regression therapy with Maya, uh, from... Or so, excuse me, Myra from Soul Science Hypnosis, and I was being the, you know, re- being regressed, and I, all of a sudden I'm going through the induction. I'm being re- regressed, relaxing, and I realize, oh, I'm in a little bit of a, it feels like a small ship. I'm in a small ship, and all of a sudden I looked at my body, which often Miranda will tell you, your, they ask you to, like, look down at your feet or look down at your body, and I realized that I was the blue being. Ooh. I was him. Wow. And then, but t- then what ensued, which again for another episode, was what that lifetime was about, which I will tell you, eh, that's just one example of a parallel reality, completely, um, stitches in with who I am today. Mm-hmm. And which has to do with environmental conservation, um, how I live my life, uh, earth, being very connected to my planet, et cetera. So my understanding was s- firsthand rather, you know, and it had always been with clients, and I'd s- done it with as a practitioner, but feeling it, watching, and experiencing it was s- a completely life-changing experience. Still lear- learning from that, and it wasn't something I invited because I was, I was not interested in star beings. Mm. I'm really... I, uh, bless them. I, I really enjoy now. I talk to s- Arcturians. They're part of my lineage, but it's not my thing. Mm-hmm. So that's my three cents about that. Interesting. Lore- Lorenda? So one, uh, one analogy that I was given that I think you guys w- will appreciate is think of all of this as like a Netflix epi- like Netflix Mm-hmm. Okay? Yeah. All these shows are available, but you're only watching one at a time on one screen. Right. You could click to any of them at any time, tap into any of them. Wow. And you know, there... I, I believe the more I do and experience through other people's regressions, through other people's experiences, I'm realizing, and my own, through trance how my higher self explained, and it was mind-blowing to me'cause it's not something I'd even thought about the very first time I had this experience in trance, was my higher self saying,"Yeah, just, just so you're clear, like this isn't the past." The, this was my higher self saying it. My, my conscious mind's going,"What the heck am I talking about right now?" Mm-hmm. I don't even know what I'm talking about. Like, this is the weirdest thing. I can't wrap my mind around it, but my higher self is saying,"No, we are e- if... We are experiencing in multiple ways. You are a spark of me. You are a spark of a higher, of a higher self. That me as a higher self am a spark of an even higher conscious." Wow. And it goes on and on, but we are still all created and connected to one source. So you have access to all these lives, and there could be a blueprint energy where this was an actual thought of me as a higher self or the creator has come in and said,"I know, I wanna be a rock. What would it be like to be a rock?" Hmm. Okay. Or what would it be like to step into the consciousness of a cat? Hmm. That doesn't mean I'm incarnating as a cat. What if I'm just stepping into the consciousness of a cat? Like, you have access to all this energy. So they were trying to explain it, and again, mind blown. I'm, I'm not even c- getting the grasp of this whole entire thing. Um, but it's the same, it's that feeling or it, it's the concept of you've got Netflix, you've got all these shows. Mm-hmm. Different things, different realities, different creations, and we're just watching one at a time. Yeah. And what are we learning from that one at a time? But then, but then if you were, when you go to log in, say you're an Outlander fan, hint hint, woo-hoo, love me some Outlander. Yeah. So, um, it'll say, it'll give you suggestions of like shows that we'd wanna watch. Right. Right? Or shows that we... Shows you might like based on what you're already looking at, whatever. This is how I see our past lives. When we are going into our regression, it may take us to a lifetime or an experience, whether it's past or present or future, another existence, another experience where we stepped into an existence, we experienced something that has somehow influenced our decisions here in this particular lifetime. Okay. Okay. So I may have experienced- It, it... I'll, I'll give an example. So I may have experienced, um, France in the mid-1700s in wine country where my family were winemakers. And if you know me, you know this tracks. Yeah. That, um, but there were people in that lifetime that are in my life now, and it was a very different experience than what I experience with them now. And it was, it was wild because that experience with them allowed me to go,"Oh, so even though I'm having a tumultuous relationship with this specific person in this life- in my lifetime experiencing it now, I can let that go and understand that we chose this experience in this lifetime because we'd been so happy in that other lifetime that we needed to experience something different, a different dynamic, explore different ways of understanding." And to me, that tells me somebody somewhere along the idea, had the idea that,"Well, you've been happy this long, so why not try something different? And how are you gonna problem solve that? What are you gonna learn from that?" Mm-hmm. So then it gives me a different perspective, so I'm not saying to myself,"Oh, woe is me. Everyone hates me. I'm gonna go eat worms now." Like, it's- Yeah what it is that I can glean from this experience so I don't have to do it again,'cause it's really uncomfortable. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and maybe I experience different things in different lifetimes or different... It- I don't even like to call them past lives anymore. It's- Right different experiences and different timelines. Another, another good analogy that comes to me, and it's so bizarre, when my son was a young teenager, he was into a show called The Flash, a Marvel comic, comic book show, right? And so we're, because we're trying to bond with him, he was into it, so we started watching The Flash. Yeah. Little did I know that that was... Fast-forward, when I look back at that, I go,"Oh, my gosh, that's..." So this is gonna go to your point, Michelle. They refer to some- like, in, I think it's, like, season two, spoiler alert, I'm gonna spoil it a little bit. Mm-hmm. That, that they go through this portal of time, and they're saying- Mm and all of a sudden they're running into themselves in other timelines. Oh. And they're referring it to as,"Oh, well, I'm you but from Earth-1. I'm you but from Earth-12." Different existences. And they explain that, well, no, every decision you make or every ex- there's different existences, different experiences where you can be you, but maybe you're the bad guy. Mm-hmm. Maybe you are the bad Bumblebee guy in this lifetime, and now you're fighting with yourself as the bad guy- Wow as you're crossing timelines. It's wild. So if you've, it... To me, that, of all the TV shows I think I've watched, that's probably the one that explains it best to answer your question, Michelle. Mm-hmm. That's, we probably do have other realities, other, uh, free will realities of what's going on. Right. Like, what are we creating? What's... I, I think ultimately it just comes down to- Whose idea was this anyway? Right. That is the ultimate question, isn't it? Who's the mastermind here? Exactly. Mastermind. And you know what I heard today? In passing, I'm, like, scrolling, and somebody says,"But what if God wasn't really God? What if God was created by another god?" Mm. Yep. Oh, yeah. Who started it? We've talked about that. That old anyway. Yeah. I know. It, it's c- it's so infinite that it almost becomes cyclical. Like, you just- Right you know? Right. Yeah. You know what's fascinating, too? I mean, gosh, there's just... That it just makes index to that, it's just there's w- so many layers of... Like, I feel like I'm in a Rolodex talking about a topic that doesn't end. Right. The thing I was, I'm considering also is the efficiency of learning the lessons that our souls are, are asking us to do, and one thing I know from doing so many, um, so much past life work is connecting with people just through past life readings where I give, you know, information, very specific dates, times, what the life was about, what the lineage was, and things connected that is so in detail, even things that are going on historically, politically, things like that. Oh. Only to find later clients coming back and saying this type of information is that I just wanted to validate that my family is from that region, that w- that was in that exact location. I'm thinking of one specifically in Switzerland, and they in fact were dairy farmers in that region during that time. So that idea of we come...'Cause we're, if we really wanna embed into a lesson, we're gonna go back in the same family line. You know? Right. We're gonna, we're gonna go i- in that iteration, I'm gonna go into that specific lesson line experience. I'm gonna learn a lot about what it's like to be a Mannheim, you know, and I'm gonna learn about limitations. I'm gonna learn... Whatever the lessons are, and I'm going, I'm gonna be efficient. I'm gonna drop into that lineage for at least a, a line of 800 years, and I'm gonna go over and learn. That's the s- things that just blows your mind when you realize I am- Right yeah, I am them. I am them. Mm-hmm. Right. And they are me. Mm-hmm. That's, it's all part of it. It's why you feel like- Mm-hmm. Right right? Right. Mm-hmm. So, so one of the things you brought up that I wanna kinda circle back to, and I think this'll give, uh, give a little more context, I guess. Yeah. So you had said, like, we were talking about Camp Chesterfield being one of, one of probably many examples of people saying,"No, maybe not," delving into past lives or focus on this reality. Right. Plus, when it comes to readings, because a lot of these places are under scrutiny about fraudulent, you know, and- Right you and I've experienced it, it's not- Right you know? Yeah, right. But if you're gonna do a past life re- a past life reading- Then you ha- or experience, you have to ask what past life or what life experience is influencing you most, what's the root cause. Right. So when I had a past life reading at one point, and it was a reading, and I do them as well, I'll do them for other people, I'm, I'm asking to be shown the past life that makes most sense now- Mm-hmm and that's causing the person to a- make certain choices or be faced with certain decisions, and, and then how can we best navigate it so it's not just a,"Oh, yes, so give me your$90- Right and then I'm going to tell you that you ha- Yeah oh, my God, your dog in a past life was your horse, and you're so connected to it. And yes, thank you." Right. No. It's gotta be deeper than that. If you're gonna do a past life reading or a past li- it, that, that kind of thing, you need to tap in and say,"Okay, so I'm seeing you in Scotland, um, and I'm seeing you with two people that you are familiar with now. They are currently in your lifetime, and, and they, they are female now, they were female then. And what you were then is y- you, you a princess," whatever, whatever the scenario is. Mm."And now you've chosen in this experience to turn your backs on one another and not be so close, but how do you experience that? Because... And, and then this is the lesson you're supposed to learn from, and the sooner you learn the lesson, the sooner you move on from this turmoil." So that's- That's the point of evidence- That's what- which is what Cam just- Yeah, exactly read probably in their ethics, which does make a lot of sense. It does make sense. Because it is, it is fully like Lorenda's saying, it is about intention and what your outcome is. And, and- Mm-hmm then of course for me also with Lorenda- Right like w- for me it frames in with working in Akashic records g- the healing that I do, so it's all framed, you know. And, and then that... But that's why, you know, people can be under scrutiny,'cause you can go onto Etsy and buy a past life reading that's digital for$3. Yeah. Did you know? Did you know that? I did not know that. That's exactly what I'm doing when I get off here. I wanna know. Yeah. I wanna, I really wanna know, you know? Mm-hmm. So buyer beware. It's just like mediumship. You've gotta do- Right your due diligence, and, and really past life, like if you're, you know, trained and you have done, you know, your due diligence and your development and not, you can get an incredible amount of in- information. And for me and for Lorenda, it's always about the healing that's connected because otherwise it's just- Otherwise what's the point? it's not connected to anything. Right. It's, needs to be connected in, and for me in the auric field and in the physical body and the mental plane, you know, there's all those levels. All the things. So it's critical. Critical. All the things. But and, and, you know, and if you're able to tap into that and find the relevance and find the lesson, then therefore in the end you ultimately can find your purpose for this lifetime as well. Yeah. And tap into that and say,"What, what in the world was I thinking when I came here?" And also,"Have I derailed from that plan?" Because we do have free will. Right. And we can go back and, and look to see what our, what, what was our purpose for coming into this lifetime? Are we on the right track? Yeah. That ties into the, what we, when we talked about this on the... Was it the last episode or the one before? I think the last. Yes, we talked about that. Yeah. So all right. But this, this could also e- even go back to, all right, what about deja vu? Mm. People talk about deja vu. A lot of people believe that deja vu is because we're tapping into or experiencing a, quote-unquote,"past life" or something that we planted in this, this planning phase. So, so let's talk, let's talk about deja vu and also is it pre-planned or is it something we've already experienced? I don't know. What are you- what are your thoughts? I wanna hear- Mm Carey, what do you think? Oh, goodness gracious me. And this is also one of those ones that we, you get a lot of questions about obviously from, uh, from clients and students is, like, uh, how much is this, like, pre-planning, soul contract, does it all come down to that? And I, we're, we were talking before the episode and we were saying how much, you know, we're all still learning and still figuring this out, and does this all make sense? I'm gonna talk just like exactly what I think you have all said here. I'm gonna give it to you in the consciousness that I'm in right now, my understanding as a practitioner- Mm and as someone who's been doing it a long time, but is also still learning. I think right in this moment that we pre-plan frameworks of things, and I don't th- some things I think are very much probably forecasted, probably things to do with obligations to a family member, like marriage and having a child. I think those things are likely, you know, for the most of us- pretty cemented. But even then, things can change. What do, you know, really, I mean, I'm sure everyone has had a, you know, well, they came down with a, an intention of what they wanted to experience, and then they changed their mind because of free will. Mm-hmm. Um, so I don't have an ironclad in, in, like, belief in that yet, and the reason is is because it continues to evolve and change when I'm looking at people's energy in their beginnings. Like, on, in that space of the in between of, like, before they incarnate. Um, and I think that, uh, in, in general there's a blueprint. I think we move through it. I think that we have things that we do, but it is not like a corporate transaction where you have to be doing certain things. I think it's... I think it lives in a place of a natural fit and where you feel gravitated towards. And again, if you're, if you think about it, if you're connecting with an ancestry, a region, um, a period of time and things like that, and what people want to experience, they're getting those bigger overture lessons. The minutia is where I think in a life is where we have that movement of free will. That's been my experience. Mm-hmm. And mostly of working with people and just seeing how they move through their soul contracts, and- Mm how they get blocked and stuck, and things of that nature. That's been my experience, and it keeps on evolving. Okay, so now I'm gonna th- really throw a wrench in all of this- Yes because that's what I love doing. Mm-hmm. Michelle. Oh, okay. All right. All right. What you, and when I, when I look at you, you are a natural law junkie. You- Yes love natural law. Law of attraction, law of... All these energetic laws. What if we don't pre-plan anything? What if it's just natural law, and energetically, karmically, this is just where we land? You end up where you go. Ooh, yeah. Well- Your thoughts on natural, like, uh, uh- Yeah from your natural law, what w- how would you think that plays into all that we've discussed? Ooh. Man, you're a good- Look at her. She's, like, wringing her hands. Ah. So- Look at her. She's wringing her hands that was compliments of Dr. Mike. Ooh, thank you, Dr. Mike. Um, uh, well, you know, to be honest, I think that natural law, the, the tenets of the nat- of natural law- Is i- it exists on all levels and all planes and all dim- like, it just is. Like, we can't alter or change these laws. They just always exist. The thought I was having, um, as Carey was explaining, like, the, the s- having formats of things kind of pre-planned, um, that really resonated with me because- Yeah I was thinking in the law of progression, there has to be that impetus that makes us want to take the action, right? Yeah. So why are we doing this? I think we incarnate with great purpose. I don't think this is for nothing. I like... So what is the, what is that thing that drives us that makes us want to come into this particular, want to shine our flashlight and awareness on this particular version of our existence or reality? You know what I mean? Um, so yes, I think natural law is definitely at play at all times, and I think there is some of that. Mm. This is just me right now, and I really, I, I'm so limited in my knowledge of past lives for sure, but I, I think there must be some kind of pre-planning of course. Yeah. Like, of course. That makes sense. Yeah. And is it, is it pre-plan- is it pre-planning, or is it just that that's what we are drawn to- Ooh as because- Ooh, yeah energetically are we just- And you see what I mean? Like- Yes some people, some people believe that we don't actually go over and consciously, as a spirit, plan, or as a soul, plan our lives, and go,"Okay, listen, go team. All right, I'm gonna go in." You're... Some people don't believe that. They believe that we just exist in energy, and we are drawn to- Mm a certain level or vibration based on a life that we've already done or where our soul development... Oh, so many layers to peel back. I, I love that. Yeah. That explanation is incredible. I think too, you know-'Cause I would like... Yeah. I d- I-'Cause I like to believe, I like to believe that I'm, I'm, I'm... Okay, cool. Go team, I just finished my life in France. What next? Okay, so listen- Mm-hmm we were really happy in that lifetime, so now what are we gonna do? All right, you're gonna go in and make me miserable? Awesome. High five, let's do this. Yeah. And what am I gonna learn from it? Oh, this is my purpose in learning? Great. But are we consciously doing that, or are we still learning certain lessons, and vibrationally we're just drawn to certain things? So I don't know. Mm. It's like raw data, like, like bees going- Yeah and like going,"Where's that queen bee?" Yes.'Cause when I think about the specificity, even just this is more of my own experience of incarnating, where I incarnated, how absolutely progressive the place where I grew up was at that very time, being able to do it. And then here I am at this age doing the thing, and then I, and then I'm meeting you guys, and then my children, who are, you know, you know, groundbreaking their own. It's just mind-bending learning that. Yes. And then think about even in our own current existence. I look back at my life as a child and go,"That is a past life." Wow. Right. Wow. I no longer resonate with that me. Right. As a teenager, as a young adult. I look back at my first marriage and go,"I don't even know that person anymore." Right. I am a different, fully different formed human being. Now that to me- Oh my 20s is a past life. Oh, yes. You see what I mean? Yes. But it's at the same time a current existence. Okay, so can I ask a question about that? Absolutely, can you. All right. All right. Okay. So along those lines- Uh-huh if we shift our frequency, can we in this lifetime shift to a different parallel version of us that is at a higher frequency, and therefore we're experiencing our dream life, or the, a version of us that we would more like to experience? Does that make sense? It does make sense. Okay. Which goes back to us, what you initially were talking about, you know, um... Well, now I've lost my train of thought. Shoot. Where'd it go? It's there, man. It's like, it's all, it just to me goes back to the beginning of our conversation, of like understanding w- how, what's happening, how much... Uh, uh, do we break off into different realities? All these realities and possibilities. Is there a broken version that never got out of the ghetto- Right. Right. That's why I did that list- True, true that's still in existence. Is there another version of me that exists in Earth One over here- Yeah versus my existence now, and how much do I have control to change my current life existence energetically and trajectory? And have you heard that terminology, which is like, let's end on this note. For my, my contribution, I would say, and you've heard of walk-in souls before, right? No. Yes. What? Yes. A walk-in soul by definition- and yes, is so fascinating. So fascinating. And I, and I don't, there's n- I don't know any evidence base in it, but I'm gonna go with it, and we're gonna go- Okay. I've had clients that are walk-ins, by the way. Yeah, for sure. Walk-ins. And part of what a walk-in is, and Lorenda can expand on this, is that, say, for example, Lorenda's saying,"Okay, I, uh, you know, i- in this incarnation, I grew up in this area, I have had these experience, and I'll... You know, and then I've got to this point in my life." There are people who have lived that life, and then who the soul was in that physical incarnation leaves the body. Often, this happens around a traumatic or physical event- Mm-hmm near-death experience, and then another soul comes into that lifetime. And it's usually connected when there's trauma or there's something really, like, fragile that occurs in the life. And there are sto- we're gonna find someone. We found- I think we just broke Michelle's brain. Yes. I think I am- Broke her brain loving this, but I'm also- And look, I mean, that, that's what I... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Walk-in souls. Wow. There's books written about it. I was like, there's one woman- That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. There's people that've written books about it. I, and, and Myra- That's incredible my, yeah, my mentor Myra from Soul Science Hypnosis, she has, you know, worked with these folks as well, like you have, so- Wow. Fascinating yeah, I've had clients that have come in and said,"Am I a walk...?" Like, or, or at one point, be- the client, I had a client that had, had never heard of that. Y- of course. And then they were like,"Well, I..." The higher self says,"There was trauma that happened as a child," explained the trauma. Um, and then, and because this person- Yeah didn't remember a certain- That's fascinating part of their childhood, and they said because a new soul came in. Because- Wow life is precious, there's only s- you know, so many bodies to go around, and someone- Wow another soul was willing to come in and finish the existence. So there's gonna be- Oh, that's a fourth- There's so many episodes ahead of us. So many. Goodness gracious, ladies. Oh my God. I know. And this, are we- Can I say put a pin in it? Like,'cause this is like- Yeah you gotta write your pins down. I mean, we're gonna- Yeah all need this conversation. There is so much to be learned. And you know the fascinating thing, what I love about this for all three of us, and for your listeners- Please, you guys comment and let us know what you think of this episode. If you've had any of these experiences- Mm-hmm we wanna know about it. But also- Yes we are equally as interested... We were talking about our own experiences as mediums, mentors, and regressionists, and healers, and all those things, but we're also still learning every single time we talk about this- Yeah or have a meditation or a new client. Right. I feel like I'm, I'm, I'm... I just learned a whole bunch of new stuff two weeks ago. I'm like,"Wow, here we go. Buckle up." Yeah. We do. We, we are constantly learning, constantly evolving, and, and, and just being open to the idea i- is that we don't know everything, and we never will. Because guess what? That's not what the human experience is about. Exactly. Uh, the human- Yeah we're s- we can learn. We can grow. We can be open to ideas. But as the humans, we don't have to know everything. Right. There's so much to talk about. I, I've gotta... Literally, we're gonna leave this episode, you guys, I'm gonna, like, write down, like, a whole 20, 20 things. Michelle- And- Michelle, let's say you, as we're... I'm gonna, um- You're- I want you to say what are your final reflections for this episode? Okay. So my final ref- reflection would be that I'm loving this topic. Like, I, I want to try this now. Like, I want... I need to go sit on one of your couches and- You know a guy do, do what? I know a guy. She knows somebody. I know. You need to go... Has, uh, Lorenda- Lorenda regressed you yet, sister? No. No. What the helionte? I know it. Yeah. So- I mean- This needs to happen before our next one y'all, y'all live near each other We do, like 30 minutes or something. I know. I, I wanna try it. But let's be honest, it's more fun just to go hang out at The Snug. That's really- That's, that's what, that's our down- downfall- is that we end up at The Snug just having- If you don't take me there, I don't wanna know about it. I'll be all FOMO. Whatever. Just kidding. Well, you need to come with us to The Snug. I'm coming in whenever I'm coming, Lorenda, whenever. Yes. So, so between now and our next, one of our next episodes, we need to get Michelle regressed so then she can- Yes. Oh, my Lord in heaven. I mean, tell about it. Yes. I would love it. You know, and, and here's the other thing. I think sometime we should- Tell record, we should record an episode at The Snug. Yes. All right, Carey, buy your ticket. You're coming with us. I'm coming. Come on. My husband already said,"Are you gonna go out there again?" I go,"Well, of course. I don't know when I'm going-" Yeah"but I'm going." Well, I hope so. My second home. We have things to do, yes. We'll have to- I know so anyway. Thank you. Lorenda, I'm gonna hear... I wanna hear not your final reflections on this, because this is the topic that keep, is gonna keep on going and growing for you. Where, what do you have to say as we're coming to a close for this episode? Um, I, I just... I wanna challenge the listeners and, and even you guys just to under- to, to- Understand that it's okay, going back to my comments before, to not know everything. Yeah. And we don't want to nec- it's, it's great to understand the past, it's okay to look to the future, but the most important thing- Mm is this moment right now and the reality you're creating for yourself right now. That what you do right now and what you think and what you feel and what your goals are- Yeah what you're manifesting, vibrationally where you're sitting, that's the most important thing for your existence as a human being on this planet right now. Focus on that. Be mindful of that. Right. Learn from your past, plan for your future, but be in the present, because that is what you have. Mm. Bravo. Oh my gosh, drop the mic. Yeah. Ba-da-ba, ba-da, ba-da, ba. I couldn't have said it better. Yeah. I mean, really, truly. And, and the one th- thing is that there are so many people that are channeling for humanity, for the future, and, you know, this type of information, and it's coming from higher dimensional beings. And I keep thinking to myself,"What about right now?" You know? Like, what the... What we need to do is connect ourselves into this moment in this physical body into this reality. That, to me, honestly, is the definition of mindfulness. Exactly. Mm. Mm. Being of mindfulness in this moment. In the moment. This is where you... The three of us are, like- Right d- you know, this is where, uh, we are on... D- we're gonna be on that hill. That's the hill we're standing on. I'm really excited. Mm, yeah. I... Like, this has been such an exciting episode. I love you both so much. Love you too. I can't wait to hear what everyone thinks of this episode. 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