Motherhood and the Messy Middle

Episode 8: Why Is Friendship So Hard in Midlife?

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Friendship wasn’t supposed to be this complicated.

But somewhere between school drop-offs, emotional overload, and trying to keep up with everyone's needs… it’s easy for friendships to fall to the bottom of your never-ending to-do list.

In this heart-opening episode of Motherhood and the Messy Middle, we dive into the real talk about why making—and keeping—friendships as moms in midlife can feel so hard.

Nicole and Robin open up about their own friendship journeys-what’s worked, what’s hurt, and why they believe we still need each other, even when life gets messy and full.

Whether you’re feeling lonely, in a friendship dry spell, or just need reassurance that you're not the only one navigating this season-this one’s for you.

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robin:

Why is it so hard to make and keep friends in midlife, especially as a mom, we were never meant to do this alone. As women, we were wired for connection for villages, shared stories and sacred everyday moments. And yet in the thick of motherhood, when the emotional load is heavy in the logistics are just nonstop. Friendship can quietly slip to the bottom of the never ending to-do list. Welcome to Motherhood and the Messy Middle, where we're diving into the real talk about finding, keeping, and healing friendships in this wild, beautiful, and often lonely middle season of life.

Welcome to motherhood and the Messy Middle where grade school meets grown kids. Hot flashes meet holy fire, and no topic is too messy for this village. I'm Robin. One half of the voice behind this podcast. Nicole and I are two moms who slid into each other's dms and built a virtual village where we are inviting you in into our honest, healing, and often hilarious conversations. Help you feel not so alone. In the beautiful chaos of motherhood and midlife, we talk about what it really means to mother to grow, to fall apart and rebuild spiritually, emotionally, hormonally, and sometimes all before breakfast. So whether you're in the thick of motherhood, facing perimenopause, praying hard, or just tired of pretending, you're fine. This face is for you. Let's dive in.

robin:

All right, Nicole, let's start with this question. Why do you think it's so hard to find a friend in motherhood?

nicole:

Girl. I dunno. I, I dunno, I dunno. I wish that, I don't know. It's'cause we're busy.'cause I honestly, I don't have, my view on friendship right now is I don't have the capacity to give a new friendship, the time and effort that it would need to grow. And the friendships I have are established. So there's gr there's more grace there because there's 10 years of friendship there. Mm-hmm. So. She knows me well enough to know that if I don't show up or I don't respond, she's not gonna be offended. Mm-hmm. And she knows my life well enough to know that I have a lot going on, or why I'm probably not answering her text message or things like that. And so it doesn't feel as much pressure.

robin:

It's interesting because as you were saying that, I'm like, how did I slide into your dms and become your friend then? You know, because I mean. Well, that has happened for us.

nicole:

Yes, and I, but I think that it is truly that soul connection that you and I have. I think we're very similar in the ways that we're not similar. They're very complimentary. But I also think that you are a friend that leads with grace. You allow space and you, I, what I have feel like I've found in my adult years is. That not everyone holds space for others very well. It's a very small group of people who can do that, and you are someone who holds space really well, and you also know how to show up and you remember things. Mm-hmm. So like you, you, you checked back in on my dog. My dog was like throwing up and falling over. So we thought something was wrong, but he's fine. But Robin remembers those things like she's, she. Circles back to them. Mm. And so it, it cues in my brain that it's important to her, though these little things are important enough for that she remembers.

robin:

Hmm.

nicole:

I feel like I'm talking about you in third person, but I'm talking to the, to listeners, but like, yeah, I like it. My ego's

robin:

like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but in all seriousness, I. I have struggled with friendships and so it's, it's, thank you for sharing that feedback with me. And what comes up for me is this whole idea of we don't teach, um, emotional intelligence.

nicole:

Right.

robin:

And it is something that I am strong in because of my trauma background mm-hmm. That I had to really learn about my emotions, how to sometimes regulate them. Mm-hmm. But also I was raised as an only child.

nicole:

Mm-hmm.

robin:

I was engaging with adults.

nicole:

Yeah. You were around a lot of adults.

robin:

Yeah, and I also was a traumatized child, so I was spending a lot of my life in a dissociated state where it was, um, easy to be able to look at how to engage with people. But I truly love people. Like I love people, and I get told all the time that I get told all the time that people appreciate that and that they. Don't meet a lot of people like me who are just like, I don't really do small talk. I just go straight in. I, I'm ready. I'm here for it. That has shown up in my life. Like I've even had a neighbor friend who I had like a coffee chat with, and she shared. S vulnerable things that she didn't share with anyone else that were in real time happening.

nicole:

This, I'm the same way. We very, and I'm just like, where?

robin:

Okay. I, but I held the space. Right. And I didn't tell anyone about it. Right. Because like, it's not, it's not my business to do. Right. But how that conflicts with what I actually see in friendships is yes, they fade and yes, people don't reciprocate that for me and right. I like, I'm one of those, like, I think of myself as like a puppy dog, and I'm just so happy to meet everyone and see you. And I just have this connection and then it's like people don't follow through with it. And now I'm standing alone again, even though I just had this great interaction and that burned me like bad a lot of times. Um, and now I'm just in a stage in my life where, yeah. I don't have time to worry about other people.

nicole:

Right.

robin:

I only have time to love them for who they are and how they are when they show up and hopefully they keep showing up. Mm-hmm. And that's what's happened with you and I?

nicole:

Yeah. You and I are very similar. My. Just the other day, my middle son was reminding me about how when we were on a road trip one time and I was buying us four Gatorades, how the cashier told me her, I knew about her marriage, how many kids she had, why she moved there, why she left, where she was, the debt that she was in, the death of her parent, how she cared for them, and my sons walked away. And they're like, okay, I see why you don't like to talk to people. And it's not that I don't like to talk to people, it's, but it's that I, it's so intense. Yeah. It's intense. Mm-hmm. And when I, when someone's telling you, don't just walk away, I hold space for them. I listen and I affirm them or I don't know what, what, whatever they need in that moment. And then when it's safe, I walk away. But like that makes. Social encounters sometimes really intimidating for me because that happens very frequently and it was the first time my boys had ever experienced it with me. Interesting. And they were like, oh, well that's

robin:

real. Yeah.

nicole:

I can see why you get nervous.

robin:

Yeah. I'm gonna, I don't know if you've ever known this. Trick, but I learned it from one of my friends who has a DHD and I have a lot of A DHD symptoms, so I'm gonna hold this finger to remember what I wanna circle back towards. If I forget, that's gonna be really embarrassing, but I wanna circle back with something with that. But I do need to ask you, are you an introvert or an extrovert?

nicole:

I would say I'm more intro. Well, I don't, isn't there? Is there a way I It's,

robin:

it's AM and Oh, I never say it right. Vert Vert is both. Yeah.

nicole:

Yeah. I can be both. It really depends on who. If it's a social gathering where I don't know anyone. No. Count me out. My parents moved here to Boise to be near us a couple years ago, and my mom is extremely extroverted. Mm. And the first time I, I went to a gathering with her and I told her I will, I will not go in that line and, and talk to all of those people. I will sit here and I'll wait. If you would like to go and, and please don't invite me to this again, because it was like a big gathering and she was out fluttering around. She didn't know anybody. She was meeting everybody and I was like, I wanna leave. But if I know people, then I am, I'm good. But I. Uh, so I don't know. And it's a lot of that is because I'm, there's no small talk. Mm-hmm. And I, what I have found is that not, like you said, not everyone can hold space and I end up feeling a little bit like a circus. Mm. They're just there for the entertainment of my circus, and I don't wanna sell tickets to my circus. Not everybody gets to come to the show. Yeah. Like it's a circus, I'll claim it, but not everybody gets to come to the show. I mean, that's such

robin:

a powerful thing for us as mothers, but especially as women like. We get to choose, yeah, who comes to our show. I found that that out's a hard way That's about worth and power, and to me, that's really what I'm stepping into as I am in my forties, as I am really embracing. You know, I'm in menopause, but what I've learned from perimenopause and beyond, as I'm doing work to learn about what happens to women during that time, and it's a really powerful time because we're stepping into ourselves, right? And that's when we can make these soul connections that I think you and I have been dabbling in or experiencing. Yeah. Quite frequently. Um, when we do meet in person, because for those of you who don't remember, we have not met in person. We can't wait for different time zones, but if we ever go to a social event together, I want you to know I am like the best wingman that you can possibly have. I could see that.

nicole:

I could see that

robin:

I, it's a really great example is that my husband is finally starting now. We're about to celebrate 16 years of marriage. We've been together. Mm-hmm. For almost 25. He is finally picking up. What I've been teaching him and modeling. And one of the things that I do when I go to work events with him, social events, is I, uh, introduce myself to people and I, right away I forwardly say, hi, my name's Robin. What's your name? And then they tell me their name because he often forgets people's names. Ah,

nicole:

yeah.

robin:

So then I, I literally am like weaving this thread and I say people's names a lot. Um, I actually have done this assessment, it's called the Strengths Finder. When I was on the leadership team, we all did it to be able to know our strengths. So people who do you know now what's more like cutting edge or whatever, and well known as like Enneagram and um, sure. Those types of things, right? But this was in my professional life, it was StrengthsFinder and my number one was connector. And how I describe that is if I go to a party, I will connect people and at the end of it, I'm like standing alone because I have created, I literally introduced people. I remember those facts. You do it.

nicole:

You do it digitally from a distance. Robin has literally connected me with another parenting coach in Minnesota. Oh my gosh. You're right. I, I forgot that I did that. Yes, yes you did. You went to a networking event and then you connected us and like you put us on an email thread together and we totally had a phone conversation. And when you and I first met. It was through one other person. Yeah. It was like you created that connection. So yes, you're gonna, from, from even digital perspective,

robin:

my mind just sees connections and that's even like all of the work with holistic wellness, holistic weight loss. I don't see them as singular things. I, I see these like glimmering pieces of people and I'm like, oh, you'd really like this person or this person. I just, there's too, I have been through too much. Fear and trauma and the depths of despair to spend any more time doing anything other than just like living in the light. Mm-hmm. And seeing that light in other people. And that's was the finger that I was holding. Which by the way, for those of you who can't see, it was not the middle finger, just so you know. Um, have you heard of the term Lightworker? No. So it's a term in a lot of like the woo spaces where people are more into, you know, like angel numbers and Oracle card decks and all that kind of stuff. I really resonate with it because when I learned what a lightworker is, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm one of those. But it is, uh, a lightworker is anyone who. Shines their light and other people see it and help bring really, you know, for you as a Christian, it's bringing Christ's message to the earth. Yeah, yeah. And there is an energetic component of that. And many of us that are lightworkers are also empaths. And so it's, uh, it's within your subtle energy body that we even have. Your subtle energy body is just the unseen. We have the physical body, and then we have the subtle energy body. Okay. And we all know what it feels like to enter a room and feel like something's off or, oh, you know, like the vibe gets raised. Light workers just have this natural magnetic attraction and one of the most. Powerful and profound examples that I have in my life. I'm for sure. Just like you, people just spill things. Mm-hmm. And I am there for it. But it was one that many people were able to witness and it was wild. My daughter's school has an annual family fun night. Okay. And there were, I am not joking, like 300 people inside of this gym with bouncy houses. And it was an elementary school because it was supposed to be outside and the weather wasn't good.

nicole:

Oh.

robin:

So imagine how chaotic that is.

nicole:

Yeah, that sounds awful.

robin:

I struggle with. My sensory experiences now, so I'm a little bit dysregulated as that's all happening. Um, but all of a sudden I look down and a little girl who is just in tears looking up at me, and it is a neighbor that I, a neighbor girl that I kind of know and have seen a couple times. She found me in the middle of that crowd because she knew that I. Would I literally swept her up. Picked her up, held her, yeah. And then immediately found her mom. That's an example. Not with like a conversation, but that same thing where she could've, she could've went, there were so many other people that she passed by in order to find me. Mm-hmm. And. It's like we have this just natural, safe place, you know? Mm-hmm. That we, we have, which makes it even more complicated for me when I'm like, why can't I, you know, keep right friends and stuff. But one of the reasons I think that we've been able to be friends too, is, um, and develop our relationship is all of the different ways that we can communicate now. Right? So we're texting, we're Marco Ping, we're, you know. In dms of mm-hmm. Multiple platforms. Mm-hmm. And honestly, that's how I am keeping the friendships with even people who live 10 minutes away from me that are same. My closest friends,

nicole:

same. My mom really brought to light. Something about me that I don't know if I would've realized for myself, but she said that I have, I'm a much more available person, um, digitally, like, because I will, I'll stay connected. I'll, I'll send a Marco Polo and I'm a verbal processor. I, I could send you a hundred Marco Polos a day, like I'll tell you my whole life story in a day and I'll text you or I'll DM you, but carving out time. In a day to meet for coffee is so much more challenging this season because like we've talked about before, even with older kids, it's not slowing down. No. My husband and I both were laid off a couple weeks ago. Oh yeah. And so we, but we said to each other today, like, what would we do if we had jobs? These kids need rides everywhere because our 16-year-old is not driving yet. The amount of our day is just filled up with camps, taking them to the movies, taking our oldest to work like the,

robin:

it's a lot of energy. And then full job. Your people, I mean, you're peopled out even when it's people who fill your cup.

nicole:

Right? So it's hard to carve. So that's affecting a lot of the relationships is that time. Are other relationships able to show up as easily? Hmm. With like the Marco Polos or the text messages, because I have some friends who that that's not their form of, that's, yeah, right. It doesn't work for them. So then how, I mean, not that we have the answers. Well, they have

robin:

to show up with grace. I mean, that's what you started with when you were, you know, telling me how wonderful I am. Thank you. Um, welcome. You are, but well, thank you. Um. But it is about just having grace and compassion for mm-hmm. Other people. Mm-hmm. And I'm curious,'cause this shows up for me, I will reach out to people randomly mm-hmm. That are in my past and it just. I just pick up where we left off. Or, I have a best friend, he's been my best friend since kindergarten.

nicole:

That's impressive.

robin:

I know because we're old. Like it's I, it's my 25th high school graduation anniversary. Awesome. So when we add in, you know, another 13 years or whatever from kindergarten, that's really, it's really something.

nicole:

Yeah.

robin:

And we do ebb and flow. Um, and he lives in Milwaukee where I grew up and I'm in the Twin Cities in Minnesota and he does not really travel that much anymore. So it's very few and far between that we see each other. But there is something so sacred in that, you know, he grew up with my dad.

nicole:

Yeah.

robin:

And, um, my other, you know, best friend is from high school and she went on vacations with my family. Mm-hmm. And. It's, that's really incredible. But there's also these more like periphery friends. Mm-hmm. That it's the same thing where if I, I would have no, I have no ill feelings towards them. Right. I would just love to see, just because we follow, yeah. Distance happens. That happens. Life happens. It doesn't mean that you're bad or I'm bad. It just happens. Let's enjoy each other if we do get an opportunity to be together.

nicole:

Yeah. Something that we should touch on too, it just was part. Friendships is friendship breakups like you were talking about, like friendship distance, and that does happen. I was trying to

robin:

avoid that conversation

nicole:

call.

robin:

No, we said we were gonna talk about it all, so, okay. Like how do

nicole:

you, how have you handled those?

robin:

Oh, well when you say that I have. A couple that come. Mm-hmm. Really, really right. And they, they hurt my gut and my heart. Um, not well, I don't handle them well. I don't handle them well. The most recent one was actually someone that not. Not only was a friend, um, but we met in recovery. Um, I'm a recovering addict and she was a sponsor of mine for a little while. And while I was transitioning sponsors at that time, and then during COVID, um, we would get together frequently. And at the time she had, um, an only child and I, I had an only child and it was really beautiful. And she was working a lot on, um, herself and healing some different relationships. And I, I noticed, you know, that she was talking about how she was just cutting people out of her life and that she would essentially ghost them and block them from things. I mean, we're talking like family members and stuff like that. And, and yikes, I gave, you know, I didn't, I didn't think it would happen to me and yeah, I. Thought it was just be, it was part of her healing journey and that these people had all done her wrong. And in her perception, that is exactly what happened.

nicole:

Yeah. Now

robin:

why it hurts is because part of. How I show up in the world and work on my health and alignment is that I don't wanna do damage

nicole:

right to

robin:

anybody. Right. And I have had to work so deeply on what forgiveness means on a soul level and how you show up for people and in her perception. I was demanding too much of our friendship, and she kept, you know, blowing me off when we'd have an a, a time that we were going to get together and I called her out on it, and I, not in a mean way, I just said, Hey, it, you know, the next time that we make plans, like I've rearranged to do things, I, I wanted, I wanna get together. I thought that we were really close friends and she told me that, you know, I was. Obsessed with her and that I was, um, we weren't as close as I was thinking. Mm-hmm. And that, how could I put that kind of pressure on the friendship? And that really made me take pause.

nicole:

Yeah.

robin:

Um, and then she cut me out completely. I mean, I email blocked even like everything. Oh wow. And, um, it was very, very hurtful. Yeah. Um, and. I just, I forgive her because I, I honestly wanna apologize for anything that I did. Yeah. That sh showed up in a way that, that hurt her. That was never my intention. Do you think that you

nicole:

did, do you look back and think that you did do anything wrong? And would you change it moving into a different friendship, or do you feel like your communication that she just wasn't prepared to hear and that you needed to be true to yourself by communicating?

robin:

I, one thing that I'm learning and you're actually teaching me is that it's okay to not be best friends with everyone. Yeah. And I do think that there was that like puppy dog aspect of me where I just like love so hard and she was, yeah. And we were really, were like, we were in alignment with so many things.

nicole:

Mm-hmm.

robin:

And that's what hurt. The worst about it. Yeah. And I can understand from her perspective how she mm-hmm. As a person who needed a lot of alone time and distance and all of these, and she, you know, if she had a slight headache, like she wouldn't sacrifice then showing up even if it was a commitment that we had made weeks before. Right. And, um, I appreciate that about her Now. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

nicole:

Yeah.

robin:

I, IWI, I don't want her necessarily back in my life. Right. I just wish that I could make amends with her. Yeah. Um, and sometimes amends is not needed by directly apologizing to a person. It can be just by giving that space. Um, so there's still something for me there that it's about my own peace of mind. But what about you? Have you had a falling

nicole:

out? Oh, for sure, for sure. I wish I had none, but also that wouldn't make me human that, but yeah, there's two that I've really, yeah, they, it was super painful and I think, were they recent? Um, no, the most recent ones was probably two years ago. Before that, it was, gosh, when my daughter was 17. Um, and, you know, I think both I, what I learned from it, I can look back and take accountability in that like, my communication wasn't great. I could have done better, um, in the first breakup. The first breakup was the hardest in the sense that I, I felt like I had communicated the best that I could with the skills I had at the time. Mm. And it was through one of the darkest seasons of parenthood and I expressed that and and literally said, I don't know who I am anymore. Who I was before, no longer exists. This pain is transformative and I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know how to move forward. I don't, I'm lost. And the reaction was. When you're back to your old self, let me know. Mm. While it was super hard in that friendship, it was so jarring to be met with, I cannot do this new version of you. That it almost was like, that's good. That's good closure. Yeah. Because this is now who I am. I wish it wasn't because I wish I didn't go through this painful experience, but I did. And so I, it's heartbreaking, but then like learning from it. And I think that's what makes us better friends as we move forward. And also helps us recognize, like you said, not everyone is there. It's friendships have seasons and they have timeframes, and that friendships can fall in different categories. They don't all have to be our best friends and they can serve different parts of our motherhood journey. Different friendships serve different parts. I think, like I have my soccer mom, friends. Mm-hmm. And I have my, the friends that are, you know, my, my older son's best friend's moms and you know, that's our connection piece. And our friendship doesn't go much farther than soccer. But I love my soccer moms on the soccer, the sidelines. Yeah. And so I just have these different categories of friends and that feels. And I have my handful of best friends. I have two that have been around, so I think they're sticking around for quite a while. And then I have you who I've met in the last couple years, and I have one other friend who I've gotten close with in the last year, but that's about the capacity I have. Mm-hmm. To go deeper. Mm-hmm. And then I just have the categories.

robin:

Yeah. I really appreciate you just naming that. I, I don't think that we name it enough. Um. My perception before really becoming close with you, and you honestly, you know, have coached me in that just thinking of friends and things in a different way. It was that if I put people in categories prior to where I'm at now, I thought that that was callous and that I thought that it was, um. That it was just not okay for me to do. Um, but I have

nicole:

learned, I think for you and I, it helps us like with the emotional connection and release and expectation

robin:

boundaries. Right. And that has been something that has been so important in my transformation and the energetic boundaries because we, we. We can do all of the things, but not all at one time. And that includes all of the different components of relationships and what it requires to nurture and mm-hmm. Sustain them. And you know, honestly, like our friendship started because we were both. Being called and passionate about building a business. And we were doing it as solopreneurs. As mompreneurs. Mm-hmm. And I, as the connector mm-hmm. Knew that I needed accountability and I wanted to do this with other people. And we started doing that and then it grew and then we've found a, to continue to grow that friendship mm-hmm. While fulfilling our mission around making. About around being a lightworker, see? Mm-hmm. See Yes. Circles back to that finger that I was holding. Yes. That's why I also hang out with other women who have Yes. All sorts of neurodivergence.'cause we, we figure out how to navigate this world. Yes. And that's part of it too, is that the older that I've been getting, the more that the wiser I'm getting, the more I'm getting to really know myself and. Knowing who, who, who my people are and well, and I

nicole:

think, go ahead. I'll hold my finger.

robin:

No, no, you, well, don't pull your, you said don't pull your finger now unless you're around your boys. Something you said or my little girl.'cause she really likes that kind of stuff too. Let's be real.

nicole:

Something you said triggered a thought for me in that the older that I get, the more confident I am and who I am. And the more I can recognize that I might not be a good friend for you. Someone might wanna be a friend, with me and go deeper. And I can know that I'm probably not a good matchup for you. So sometimes I can recognize that it's okay that we don't have more than a surface level, surface level friendship, um, because I recognize that my personality may, may not jive with your personality, and that takes a lot wrong with that,

robin:

and that takes a lot of strength and it's really, I admire that so much. I, I hope to be like you someday when I grow up. What a great place to wrap up this episode. I also wanna plant the seed with you, Nicole. As we were talking, there are some aspects around family and family dynamics and how as we're transforming, and those people don't necessarily go away in the same ways. And so, you know, boundaries, those are all, um, things that I wanna explore together and learn from together and share with others. But, you know. If you're in a season of friendship that feels dry or lonely, please hear this. This is a message from Nicole and I. You are not weird. Or maybe you are and that's okay too. That's okay. We're weird. We're weird. Yeah. And we, you find your weirdos eventually. You don't need more than a hand. Full of'em. Like that's all. You can just hold that finger, right? Yes. Just hold a couple of those fingers. Just know that you're not alone. Especially as we navigate this, we thought it was gonna end maybe in middle school or teenage years. No, doesn't, there is doesn't. We're gonna just keep going. Keep going. So making and keeping friendships as a grown woman and in motherhood, it is hard, but it is also beautiful, and we do need each other. Mm-hmm. And it's never, ever, ever too late to start again. So maybe today is the day that you send a message, a message to someone. Maybe it's a text or a Marco Polo that you wanna reach out to reconnect. Or maybe it's the day that you reach out to a new friend, whatever it might be. It could even be that you wanna share this episode with them. What a great opportunity for you to be able to. Connect, and as you know, we are trying to grow this virtual village, so we appreciate that connection as well as we'd be so grateful if you left a review. And, um, alike, it grows our mission to help moms normalize the mess and embrace the miracles, and it helps those other moms find us and maybe you even find a friend. Mm-hmm. So cheers to healing friendships, finding new ones, and also learning to be a better friend. Yeah. Thank you Nicole, for being my friend. Thank you for being my friend. All right ladies, we'll see you next week. Bye guys.

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