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Twin Suns x Twin.Sunns: Our Final Mandalorian & Grogu Conversation Vol. 3

• John & Nelly aka Twin Suns • Season 1 • Episode 23

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Three episodes. Three perspectives. One final conversation.

On this special crossover episode of Twin Suns: A Star Wars Podcast, John and Nelly are joined by Sunny from Twin.Sunns to close out our coverage of The Mandalorian & Grogu.

After our initial spoiler review and a listener reaction episode, we're taking one last trip into the galaxy far, far away to discuss what has stayed with us since the credits rolled. Has our opinion of the film changed? What moments continue to resonate? What did the movie get right, and what does it mean for the future of Star Wars storytelling? 

Plus, Sunny shared with us what it was like having her questions answered by Jon, Dave, Pedro, and Sigourney!

Thank you for joining us on this three-part journey through The Mandalorian & Grogu.


SPEAKER_00

Welcome Loyalists and traders. You're now listening to Twin Sons, a Star Wars podcast. Lawyer Defenses and join your hosts, John and Nelly, for it promises to be the enlightening conversation about a galaxy far, far away. I warn you, however, do not attempt to turn this podcast off before it is finished. Or I will be forced to demonstrate the true power of the dark side. And now, on with this go.

SPEAKER_03

Our love and journey throughout a galaxy far, far away.

SPEAKER_01

Well, this is a very special moment in our history, the history of our podcast, because today, here on Twin Sons, we are joined by none other than Twin Sons. I've been waiting a long time to say that. Sonny from Twin Sons, how are how are you doing today?

SPEAKER_02

And welcome.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here. You could say that we are the twin twin sons at this point. That's it.

SPEAKER_03

That's it. I was just thinking about that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, there's a lot of twin sons out there, but none except Shine It's Bright. I know exactly. Well, we're loving, we're loving your content. And I I there's a re you know, something happened to you that's just one of the coolest things I've ever seen, and we're gonna have to talk about that later. Um But you know, we've The Mandalorian has been out now. It's been out for over two weekends, and I feel like the dust is starting to settle on this film. And I wanted to, we wanted to look at this film with you one last time and talk about the film. But before we get into that, we want to learn a little bit about you and your Star Wars journey. So let's start with how how did Star Wars find you?

SPEAKER_02

So I actually, in the grand scheme of things, I think I'm a little bit of a newer fan. My father first introduced it to me when I was like, I don't know, seven or eight, and I wanted absolutely nothing to do with it. Um I remember sitting in our my childhood home and my dad pulling out the VHS tapes and like very ceremoniously being like, you know, I've waited a long time to show you these, and these films are so important for like the culture of film, and I really wanted you to watch these when you were coherent enough to actually understand them. And me sitting there as like a very small child being like, I do not care what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_01

Um my gosh. Did you give him his moment though? Like I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We sat there and watched all of them. I remember I don't think I was entirely coherent enough to be viewing those films, as I'm being honest. I don't think I really knew what was happening. And at that point as well, I was very much a Star Trek person. I was raised on TOS. We would watch it every Sunday. That was like a huge part of my childhood. So I remember sitting there being like, yeah, but this isn't Captain Kirk, so I'm not sure what we're doing here. Um but in 2015, when I was significantly older with TFA coming out, we went and saw it as our like holiday thing. And it like, not to be dramatic, but it did kind of change my life. I was obsessed with Force Awakens, and from that point on I've been all in on Star Wars.

SPEAKER_01

I'm this is so refreshing to have someone who says they that the Force Awakens that a sequel changed their life because we don't that is not something we hear uh often and we need to hear it more. So so was that your generation or you definitely was, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, I was in uh high school when that movie came out, so I was very much, I think, in that target audience era, and just like being a little girl and then seeing Ray and seeing her doing all of these heroic acts and being the main character of this movie was just so inspiring in a way that I don't think I had ever really witnessed before. Um yeah, I love the sequel so much, and a large part of that I think is the same reason that people have an attachment to the prequels or the original trilogy or whatever their generation's movie was. It's that nostalgia of being there and experiencing it for the first time and really latching onto those characters.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I I love them too. I've I've always loved them from the minute I saw them. Yeah, I really do. I think they're they're wonderful. And I think Daisy's portrayal of Ray is such a wonderful, you know, her journey is so wonderful. And I, you know, Nellie's got a young eight, nine-year-old daughter who we were showing The Force Awakens to, and she was looking at us going, Oh, oh, Ray, this she's really a strong, strong woman, isn't she? And I was like, I loved hearing this.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01

It it really was. And I'm really looking forward to the day that the sequels get their dues.

SPEAKER_03

I think they are.

SPEAKER_01

I think I think it's slowly coming around. Uh I think so too.

SPEAKER_02

With all of the Ben Solo resurgents, I feel like people are taking a second look and saying, like, despite the flaws that they have, they are a good watch, if anything else. And I think generally they are a good Star Wars movie because there is no perfect Star Wars film. No. No. Any of these can be picked apart terribly. Yeah, and the sequels are just the ones we happen to do in this moment, just like the prequels had their time.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. I I'm one of those like I love The Last Jedi, and you know, I think I've lost some friends in the Star Wars community because I've waved that last Jedi flag. And I'm I'm an I'm an OT guy, probably your dad's age. And and and so, you know, I as an OT guy, I'm like one of the few that goes, you know, no, Luke would be an older guy, an old man with like life regrets. Him being Swashbuckler, the same Luke that we left in Return of the Jedi, like that doesn't make any sense to me at all. Um so I loved Ryan Johnson's choice, choices in that film. I thought they were very interesting, and I think it's be they're beautifully done, and you know, John Williams' scores to those films are just fabulous. So yeah. Well, we we love hearing that.

SPEAKER_03

So what made you start Twin Sons? Where I'm curious to hear that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so it's I've always loved making videos and like specifically the editing process, I really, really enjoy, which I know is a kind of a crunchy thing to say. I have a degree in journalism and I figured out about halfway through my degree that I was not really a journalism person, but I was having such a good time with the behind the scenes part of it that when I got out of college in like COVID era, I kind of decided that like if I don't start using these skills in some way, I'm going to lose them because video editing is a little bit of a tedious process at some points, as I'm you I'm sure you know.

SPEAKER_01

So I usually it's one thing to hear yourself, but it's another thing to edit yourself, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Hearing yourself for hours.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my gosh, I know.

SPEAKER_02

Um but I originally started a YouTube channel and I was making content about K-pop, believe it or not. Um that YouTube channel no longer exists, so please, no one go look for it. It's not there. Um and that was like my gap year between college and getting a job. That was basically all I did was that YouTube channel. And then in going into 2023, when I had a bit more stability, I decided to try to give it another go, but I wasn't as into that music as I was during COVID. So I started talking about the Disney parks and uh quickly learned that being a Disney parks creator usually means living near the parks, which I absolutely do not. So I kind of just naturally progressed from Disney into Star Wars, and that's kind of what's been guiding me.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it's it's funny because we were we were, you know, revisiting all of your posts the last few days, and we both kind of were like, you're really comfortable in front of the camera. Like, you know, a lot of these, I'm setting the camera up on the dashboard, you know, aren't you?

SPEAKER_03

In my room.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, they're not in the room. And yours are it's so simple and clean and well spoken. You've really got a knack for it. You come up with the colour.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I really appreciate you saying that. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, yeah, for sure. Like we were just literally, I was like, I'm kind of trying to encourage Nellie into getting in front of the camera. And I'm like, look what she's doing, Nelly. Like, like it's a perfect example. It's a perfect example.

SPEAKER_03

I've tried it and then I'm just I cringe. I've just been playing the video. Um like that's what I look like and sound like. Oh gosh. Okay, never mind.

SPEAKER_01

No, I have the same exact reaction. Yeah. It's so it's so good and so relaxed in your timing and your editing and all of that good stuff.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, we applaud you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What if you don't mind let's if we get a little technical for just a second, what editing software is your favorite for video?

SPEAKER_02

Uh so this is very complicated, and you've unlocked something that we might have to spend a couple hours on.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

So in college, yeah. Yeah. In college, I learned how to edit on Premiere Pro, which is the Adobe software. Um, I am not willing to pay the amount that Adobe wants me to pay for Premiere Pro out of college now that I don't have access to it anymore. So I switched over to just TikTok's in-app thing, and I found that to be really user-friendly. When TikTok went through that whole sales situation, it kind of stopped working as well as it did. So now I use CapCut, and that's what I've been most happy with. Just the free version.

SPEAKER_04

I don't pay for it or anything.

SPEAKER_02

But yeah, it works pretty well. It works on my system pretty well, and I like that you're able to take it from computer to tablet to phone or wherever I need it to be.

SPEAKER_01

That that's what AI just told me I'm supposed to buy, actually. It did CapCut, and it explained in in scary detail personal things about me that you know why they were suggesting it. But um, you know, well, that's cool. I am literally holding, looking, they're still in the shrink wrap, the DGI Osmo Pocket 3. So I've got that.

SPEAKER_02

That's the camera I use.

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Is it?

SPEAKER_02

It is I am obsessed with that camera. It is by far the best camera I've ever used. It's so user-friendly, so easy to set up. You're gonna love it. Okay, I can't wait.

SPEAKER_01

You know, we're gonna start using it. Yeah, look, it's here. And then I I thought that's the mic you had that you were holding. Is that the mic that comes with the GI?

SPEAKER_02

It is, yeah. It the setup process could not be easier. You just turn it on and pair it, and then it's always paired, which I love. And that mic is so much nicer than any mic I've used before. I was using a Rode for a while, and I found that the quality of that just hooked up to my phone, it has no comparison to what the DJI sounds like using that with the mic or with the camera.

SPEAKER_01

It's truly insane. We're gonna do it. And then I got the Insta360 Go 3S, and that's just because we do all the cons. And I want the secret, this one just clips on to your you know, jacket, and yeah, I wanna I wanna record like all our interactions with you know Hayden and Mark Hamill. You're going spy mode. Yeah, I'm going undercover spy mode, breaking paws. But everyone loves that that Insta360 go. So well, okay, now for those who are listening, you've just gotten a tutorial on nothing to do with the content creating. Trust me, you know what? You'll be rewinding this and listening to everything we just said. If like you you your ambition is to start a channel.

SPEAKER_03

Um, the final get to know you question is most controversial Star Wars opinion.

SPEAKER_02

Oh gosh. Okay, I'm gonna say my second most because I think honestly, my first one could get me canceled in this community. Um, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, let's okay, I'll do my second one first and then I'll say the really controversial one. We don't have to talk about it too much. Um, I don't think that Anakin and Padme were actually in love. That's my second one. Okay. Um the way that Padme is characterized, especially with the addition of the Clone Wars animated show and all of the books, doesn't at all line up with the Padme that we see, especially in Revenge of the Sith, the one that just like stops living. So the way that I have justified this is that Anakin was unknowingly like force love bombing her and using his ridiculous force abilities to for lack of a better term. Yeah, like kind of um yeah, this is good. Transfer the amount of love that he had onto her. And that's the only way I can really justify the version of Padme that we have blame downstead for lack of.

SPEAKER_01

That's true. Yeah, because um I I I see a lot of like at young Anakin, like I was very much like him, you know, uh slightly hot-headed, um quick to feed off my emotions. And I'm guessing the characters were about 20. I mean, he was 19, I think, when he filmed it. So let's call Anakin 20. You know, saying that you're madly and deeply in love with someone at 20 is a load of hogwash. Like you're not mad. You know, he is. No, I mean, like it was, you know, uh meant to be like he was just feeding off of those new like feelings of of what we think is love, and it's really just maybe he infatuation.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's it, infatuation.

SPEAKER_03

I think he was in love. But pad may maybe not, not as much as him. I agree.

SPEAKER_01

Because when when she tells him, this is kills me, she she says thanks but no thanks, wearing that black, you know, sequenced teddy like by the fire, like, and he went into such a rage that he, you know, destroyed m people in the galaxy. Like he couldn't control his anger. It's the worst breakup outfit choice of all time. So I think, you know, like come on, Padme, like that was a little strong to be wearing for a let you down moment. So I don't think she was into him.

SPEAKER_03

No, not as yeah, I I agree. Not as much, yeah. Or maybe not at all.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe he was using the force to say, you do you will love me.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. I don't think that he was even necessarily doing it consciously. I think that he just had so much intention of always being with her and like knowing in his heart that that was his person, that it just kind of seeped out onto her. Because the way that every time they have an interaction, he's doing something incredibly creepy, and she's like trying to back off from that, especially in Attack of the Clones. Um but it always somehow ends up that they're kissing at the end of it. So I don't know. That's how I justify it at the beginning.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's what guys do, you know. I'm not gonna lie. You know, like any opportunity.

SPEAKER_03

So I want to know your first now conjugal. Okay, my first one.

SPEAKER_01

Acolyte, I loved it.

SPEAKER_02

I did let the acolyte on, but that's not it. Um, my very controversial take is that no Jedi that was named a Jedi after the fall of the order is actually a Jedi.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02

I can see that part of it. Yeah. It's very much like how much of the boat is still the boat if we've replaced all the wood to me. Like by name, yes, they are a Jedi, but you didn't really have to do the trials, you don't really do the religion part of the Jedi. Like, I don't know. At some point, there are some characters that never touched the Jedi organization, but are still called Jedi because they've got the lightsaber. And I just like, while yes, they are still Jedi by name, are they Jedi in practice? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so so they're you're saying that after Order 66, that that anyone who was sort of saying, hey, I'm a Jedi, really was just kind of a like a wandering samurai, lone gunman kind of the lightsaber. Yeah, you know, that's interesting because we just saw uh Empire on the big screen uh for the fourth, and I was trying to figure out like what's Yoda doing? I mean, he just said, okay, it's over, you know, and he's got his little hut making his stew and he's got his stick. Like, you know, if the Jedi was still there was any remnants of it, I feel like he would be involved, right?

SPEAKER_03

Mentoring. Yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

You know, what was what was Yoda doing on Dagobu?

SPEAKER_02

Just forced ghosts. Truly waiting for Luke to get to him, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and you know, now that you mention it too, like Luke, if you think about it, a lot of what Luke was doing was kind of dark side moves as well. Like, he didn't train with you know Yoda. He took off. Like, I just feel like a lot of like, you know, the way that Luke used his powers and stuff were wasn't really the most noble kind of, you know, Qui-Gon.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, Obi.

SPEAKER_01

Obi-Wan, you know, like he was a little tempered and untrained.

SPEAKER_02

And I think the part that gets lost a lot is that the Jedi started out as like a religious organization for the most part. Like they were a force worshiping organization. And as soon, for me at least, as soon as the force worship part of it is removed for characters like Luke or like Ezra, or even to an extent like Kaucastus, if we are more like the warrior type of Jedi, are you actually a Jedi or are you just a warrior samurai-esque lightsaber wielder?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. That's that's got me thinking. Now, this is gonna lead us into I think uh something you're doing that I've not not done before, and this is probably why you're well versed in all this background knowledge. You are going through the entire sort of Star Wars, the books, everything in a chronological order. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_02

Is that what I am, yes.

SPEAKER_01

So does this mean all that, all that oh god, why am I blanking? What's the whole series of books that happened a thousand years before? The Higher Republic. Thank you. Sorry, sorry. Is that is that like where you're getting a lot of your opinion from about, you know, the Jedi?

SPEAKER_02

It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I really, really love the High Republic. It is a fantastic series, and if you are interested in the Jedi as an organization, this era in time does so much to give you context for what the Jedi were like before they were strictly warriors, and even before they were controlled by the Senate, which I think is really where they were thriving. But yeah, I'm going through everything in Star Wars, in the Star Wars canon, at least, in chronological order. I started with the High Republic Phase 2, and right now, as of this recording, I am watching Rebels. So I've made it just about halfway through in the year. How long has this taken you? I started on January 1st. So about halfway of this year? Yeah, I go through so last year I read every Canon Star Wars novel within the year. And that was roughly a hundred and something books. I will say though, I am an audiobook person, so I can get through a book in a day. I've listened to audiobooks on two times speed because I'm a crazy person. Oh my god. So I am really able to speed through. Do you enjoy caffeine or how does that work? My brain is just built different. I don't know. I was when I started this journey, I was very much like, I have to listen to this on one time speed. But as I started to get more familiar with them, it just was taking too much time and they were talking too slow. So we had to speed it up a little bit.

SPEAKER_01

Awesome. That's awesome. You know, I don't know if you're following her, but you should totally. We did an episode interviewing Ali, her handle's Alderon Baby. Do you know her?

SPEAKER_02

Yes, yes, for Mutuals.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, good. Because she's done like 176 books in the last 12 months she revealed to us, and I was like, man, I don't know if I've done that in my lifetime. Like, that's incredible. I'm so into this of you guys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Before last year, I'd have never read this much ever. I wasn't a reader in school. I never did the reading assignments. I could confidently say I was doing like maybe one book per year up until my mid-20s. And for whatever reason, last year I locked in and did all of them.

SPEAKER_03

Wow, good for you. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01

Now, for someone who wants to sort of put their foot into the High Republic, is it that, what is it, the Light of the Jedi? Is that Claudia Gray?

SPEAKER_02

Light of the Jedi is Charles Soule. Charles Soul. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Is that, I mean, is that the book where someone should start? What what what is the first High Republic book you would say, you know, to up your chances of staying keeping with it?

SPEAKER_02

Is there one that so for sure I think you should read The High Republic in release order and not chronologically? Um so Light of the Jedi is the first book and phase one is the first book that was released. And within The High Republic, there are several different genres of books. There are the adult novels, there are YA books, and then there are middle grades books. I see a lot of people skip the middle grades stuff. I think that that is okay if you really, really don't want to read them. But I think the middle grades books are really fun. They're all super short and they give a lot of context for a lot of the characters that are involved in it, but you should definitely read it phase one, then phase two, then phase three, instead of trying to do it chronologically, which would be starting with phase two. You're just not going to get the same experience. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

So start with Light of the Jedi. Yes. Okay. Okay, good, good to know. And I know, Nelly, you're dying to ask about the the Rada in the large box that as opposed to the.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah, your post says that you are a mom now.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. I have been kind of secretly obsessed with the huts since I got into Star Wars. Oh my god, yeah, that's a person too.

SPEAKER_01

I knew there was a reason we've had to have you on the show.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh, this blows my mind. I think that they're really cute. And I know that that's a hot take. But there's something about them that's so disgustingly off-putting that I think it's kind of looped back around for me to being cute. And ever since I watched the Clone Wars movie for the first time in like 2020-ish, I've been obsessed with Little Stinky. And they made a plush of him in 2008 to, I guess it was part of promotion for the movie or like posthumous promotion. I don't remember when the movie came out. It might have been 2005. But they have a little plush of him, and he looks identical to the way he looks in the show. And I bought him, and now I'm a mother.

SPEAKER_03

He looks adorable. And is that a backpack it comes with? Or it just says yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

It comes with his little carrying case that Ahsoka has in him in for most of the movie. That's awesome. I will be my plan right now is to bring him around to all the cons that I go to. So if you ever see me in person, I will have Rhoda with me.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my goodness. Movies come out, they're like $100 now on eBay.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I was actually just looking at some.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, the one the one with Ahsoka, and he's in the backpack. It's kind of the Cold Wars animation one. Like that, you could get that card for 50 cents and now it's a hundred bucks.

SPEAKER_02

I'm like unbelievable. I also I kind of collect the cards, but I mostly collect the unlimited trading card game stuff. Uh I had to stop because it was getting to be too much.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I I saw those at Barnes and Noble, and I always because I do collect the cards and it's it's become an issue in 2026. Um a bad issue. And I I was in Barnes and Noble's the other day and I was like, Do you have any cards? And they they said these, and I was like, I'm not sure what those are until then I saw your post. Are they like a like a card game or something?

SPEAKER_02

What what it is, yeah. Um, if you've ever it's kind of like Pokemon cards, honestly. Like there is a card game attached to it, and some people collect the cards for the art, some people collect it because they're trying to make a better deck to do like competitive tournaments and stuff. I would really love to learn how to play properly. I play online a lot, and I know that's not the best way to learn how to play, so I'm gently creating my own deck and figuring out how to play it in person. But it is a really fun game. At this point, though, I am mostly collecting them for the artwork. Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_01

That's it's great artwork, though. It's very cool. It is, yeah. And then lastly, before we get in, we get into you know the film, I am so happy to hear your review of the solo novelization. I love the novel. I love the novelizations, and I I have been touting that's solo novelization. It's so good.

SPEAKER_02

It's perfect. It is the perfect novelization, besides maybe Rogue One. Um and obviously Revenge of the Sith is a beautiful book.

SPEAKER_01

It's the the greatest book I think ever. Like in Star Wars.

SPEAKER_02

It's definitely up there. It is so beautifully written. Matthew Stover knew what he was doing when he picked up that pen. But uh the solo one I feel like is really slept on.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, uh and just solo period in general is slept on. I think it's such a good movie. And I feel like the Mandalorian and Grogu is kind of like, because I always like to double feature. You know, I always think to myself, what movie would I double feature? And halfway through Mandalorian and Grogu, I was like, solo and Mandalorian and Grogu is the perfect high adventure, fun, you know, double feature.

SPEAKER_02

Um, I completely agree. And it's actually funny that you mentioned that. Not only did I have that in my, I wrote some notes that just like some talking points I wanted to bring up today, and that was one of them. But also the last thing I watched before going in and viewing this movie for the first time was solo. So like watching them back to back was I think as close to a perfect experience as you could get with these two uh secular films.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, they just they they it it just they're just fun Star Wars, both Memorial Day weekend. Like, you know, they just serve that story without getting too bogged down with you know somebody's backstory and you know, and all this kind of jazz. I I I yeah, I I think that the solo crowd and the Mando Groglu crowd, I think, are similar.

SPEAKER_02

Um I think so too, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Well, the honeymoon phase of this film is officially over, and I know you've seen the post, everyone's going on about obsession, you know, 750,000 to make and it surpassed Mando and Groglu, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, but what what how many times have you seen the film? What was your first impression of the film and how has it changed on subsequent screenings?

SPEAKER_02

So I've seen the movie now, I'm gonna say 2.25 times. I was lucky enough to get tickets to the Fandango preview event that they had on May 4th, where they've showed the first 25-ish minutes of the movie. So that alone, I was just absolutely blown away with being able to like seeing the first 25 minutes and that it cuts off right as you see Rhoda in the his pit is where it cut off for us in those first 25 minutes.

SPEAKER_04

So I was I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But just like the music that you get in those first 25 minutes, the whole scene on the ice planet, the introduction of the new Razorcrest and seeing Zeb again. I'm a huge fan of Rebel, so seeing Zeb was enough to get me my butt in the seat immediately.

SPEAKER_04

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02

But uh seeing it in full for the first time, I was blown away with how beautiful it is. I was also blown away with how many huts are in there. It that was a big moment for me personally. I'm not sure anyone else was excited for that.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

My so I mentioned before we started recording, I am a twin, and I went with my sibling to watch this film, and we have since Book of Boba Fett came out, we've had this kind of inside joke that we are the twins, like the huts, because uh their favorite color is pink and my favorite color is green, so it kind of just lined up. Um and I was very upset to see the twins die in this movie, even though they definitely deserved it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had a dead one.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they absolutely did. I just there is very little that I have that truly criticizes this movie. Like I can pick out little things here and there if I want to be truly critical. But after seeing it two times, I truly did have the same exact experience, both times viewing. I was smiling so much that my face hurt when I got out of the theater. I was just so yeah, just uh not only so happy that Star Wars is in theaters again, because that hasn't happened in seven years, and that alone is crazy. But this movie is so heartwarming, and I love how much practical effects there were, and what wasn't practical blended in for the most part, rota excluded really nicely with the environment, and everything was so seamless, and there was so much action and adventure, but also this movie has a huge heart, which I was kind of scared going in that it was just going to be uh 40 hundred minutes of John Wick Mando going crazy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I know, I know. I know people have criticized that. They're like, they want more that's what they wanted. They didn't want Grogu going having a quiet moment. And I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_03

No, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01

We needed, we needed a break from the action.

SPEAKER_02

No, I completely agree. And Grogu needed this moment to become something more than a 50-year-old baby. And I think even though he didn't talk, he didn't have any huge, like, I'm an adult now, dad, kind of moments. We see him like start to think for himself and be able to move on his own and like formulate and set up and go through with a plan and have these character-developing moments in a way that I feel like some people kind of missed. I don't know, maybe it's just because he's so cute and they were distracted by just seeing him the whole movie. Yeah, but like Grogu has a ton of character developments in this movie. Yeah, yeah. Um because he basically didn't have any before this movie.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah. What what would you say? I mean, what would you say your favorite Grogu moment was?

SPEAKER_02

Oh my goodness. How much time do you have?

SPEAKER_01

Apex moment, apex moment, Grogu moment. What what what was it for you?

SPEAKER_02

I think the first one that immediately came to mind is within the first like five minutes of the movie when Commander Coyne has exited the walker that they're in, and Grogu he set up all those bombs, and Grogu jumps on the Mandalorian and starts banging on his helmet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That I feel like that's the moment when I knew I was gonna be obsessed with this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, yeah, the past couple years, I feel like Star Wars has been pretty serious. And seeing that, I was just able to breathe a little bit, knowing that we were bringing a little bit of the childlike wonder back into Star Wars. And that's something that I really love about this property. I love Andor and I love the Acolyte and I love like Rogue One and all of these really heartfelt, gritty, Star Wars-y things, but that's not really what the whole of Star Wars is supposed to be at the end of the day, even though the all of those things are beautiful and immaculate. Having something just fun is kind of what Star Wars was supposed to be, and I think that's exactly what this movie was.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, agreed. Had it been a Mandor, or excuse me, Mandor, Mandor, uh Andor kind of show, like heavy, political, I it would not have I Memorial Day weekend, I needed a coke, cherry icy, I needed my large popcorn, I needed to be with my loved ones, surrounded by their loved ones, people's loved ones, and just enjoying the theater going experience. And it just delivered across the board.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, great advantage.

SPEAKER_01

I I credit that so much to Grogu. When Grogu was, he built the very Yoda-like, smaller version of the hut. He couldn't get them in. Like, if you were your heart wasn't filled, I can't help you. You know, you know, you gotta forgive your father for not loving you. I don't know what the problem is, but you gotta like let it go, man, because you're letting it ruin it. You're letting everything be ruined in your life. Like you gotta move on. And and yeah, I mean, for me, when he was trying to coach him through everything he's taught him about the razor crest, and he just said, I'm gonna, I'm gonna flip the safety switches and and send the missiles. And Zeb's like, I don't think he knows what he's doing. I mean, classic. It was just so, so good. So, well, okay, so you were all in, no criticism, because we both talked about it. The first time we saw it, I enjoyed it. But I had some sort of like, well, why didn't they do this? And I would have liked to see more of that. The second time I I saw them, all that went away. And then the third time I saw it, we saw it. I could care less about any residual critique or criticism. I just went, this is it, and I feel so blessed to have this movie, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I feel very, very similarly. Yeah, especially I did have a little bit of that after the first viewing. I had a lot in my mind about like, oh, maybe we're gonna see someone from the Ghost Crew or some kind of forced user is gonna show up because we've never had a Star Wars movie where there's no lightsaber and all of this stuff. And I think Dave Loney said it best when he was asked about like why are there no cameos in this. I think Star Wars fans are very quick to want that big scene, like the Luke Skywalker scene in The Mandalorian. And we don't always need that, even though it's super cool when it happens. It that doesn't necessarily make or break a story. And I think the one of the reasons that I love this story in particular is because it's able to stand alone and it didn't need the like the back of Yoda's head at the end of the acolyte kind of scene to try to jingle keys in front of people and remind them where they are. We know this is a Star Wars movie. We're watching Grogu fight a snake, you know? Like we don't always need these deep, groundbreaking, galaxy-shaking events. And I think that Star Wars kind of thrives when we have these very singular episodes of like the Mandalorian has a task, he's doing it in this movie, or we've got to go get the Death Star plans, we're doing it in this movie, and that's the whole thing. We don't need a trilogy, we don't need a whole Disney Plus series, we're doing it here, and it's gonna be spectacular and huge, and then we're done. And I kind of love that. There's something beautiful about that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, John Favreau in every interview said when they were like, Well, why didn't you have any connective tissue to the show? And he goes, Because it didn't serve this story. And I went, Yeah, that's it. You know, we don't we don't need to see the armor. I mean, would I have loved it? Sure, but it was time to move on and tell this singular story, and I think that was the right call.

SPEAKER_03

And so my next question was gonna be what is the single best thing this movie does? Would you say just it stands great on its own? What would be your answer on that one?

SPEAKER_01

What did this movie selfishly?

SPEAKER_02

I would say the best thing that this movie has done is reintroduce Red of the Hudd into Canon. But to say something that other people would care about, I think that giving this movie to a new generation of fans, because it's been so long since Star Wars has been in theaters, we are kind of starting from ground zero. There are like seven, eight, nine-year-olds. This is their time. And this Star Wars movie, I think, is perfect for that age demographic. Not saying that this is a children's movie by any stretch of the imagination, but this is a movie that you don't have to know anything about Star Wars to like. And I think that that was a really difficult task for them to do is to take these characters that have three three seasons of a TV show and reintroduce them in a way that doesn't feel like we are telling their whole story again, but giving enough information that a seven-year-old with a cell phone in their hand can follow. You know what I mean? Yeah. Um and I think that that is probably my favorite thing that they were able to do is just present us with a movie that is so good and yet has very little to do with the rest of Star Wars. And that's not a bad thing.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Totally.

SPEAKER_03

No, I absolutely agree.

SPEAKER_01

Well, well, real quick, your your Rod of the Hutt comment, and I'm surprised. You know, there are things that people have latched on, and everyone's making a video dancing to the one song, which I gotta admit is really infectious. Like I'm a soundtrack guy. I have this soundtrack ordered on on I'm a vinyl guy. I got it on black vinyl, I got the orange target exclusive vinyl, and I have the green Walmart exclusive vinyl.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I did not know Walmart had a green.

SPEAKER_01

I didn't know that until last night. You had gone to bed, and I was like, pre-order. So I've got this soundtrack on three different versions in three different colors, and but you know, the thing I cannot believe no one's talking about, and I think you are the person to get the ball rolling. Rod of the Hutt is looking buff. Oh, yeah. He's really fast. I mean, he is for a big guy, he's got low body fat, he's got his muscles, like they really like the yeah, he's a beefcake, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and he's deceptively quick, which I feel like is always very scary when you're big and fast. He's got the like thumb.

SPEAKER_01

He's like it, it's almost like you'd see him like in a you know, Brad Pitt shirt off, you know, kind of movie. You know what I mean? Like he's he's bringing the beefcake, and I'm just more people haven't latched on to his abs.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It is the first time I saw it, I wasn't sure how to feel about it because it is very uncanny. But the more I see him, the more I'm like, I'm kind of into it.

SPEAKER_04

Like it's so fun. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

It's so fun. And speaking of the soundtrack, I am also obsessed with it. My there's a song on this soundtrack that I think might have to be played at my funeral. Um it's Hugo Durant's Snack Shack. It's the like Toy Story-esque remake of the Mando and Grogu title song. It is so fun. And I feel like I haven't heard anyone talk about this song. I think it was only played in the credits, like it was the last song in the credits. It's so fun.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Is that the one that sounds kind of like it would be like like in a New Orleans or something?

SPEAKER_02

Is that yeah, it's kind of Sherlocking hoe down. Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Totally. I you know what, because I got it. I got it the week, you know, the digital download the week before it came out. I wouldn't I wouldn't look at the titles. I turned my screen brightness down because I didn't want to see 'em, but I'd just go for long walks in the morning listening to it. And like when that came on, I went, What scene is this?

SPEAKER_02

I know it's so different. We've this whole soundtrack is very unlike anything we've gotten in Star Wars, barb maybe like Andor season two. But it is so perfect for this movie. And I think once I'm also like big on the soundtracks, I have a full playlist of all of the Star Wars soundtracks that I'll just put on when I need no words, just audio. And listening to this and then having it go into like Duel of Fates or Leia's theme is kind of like whiplashy. Um, but when you're listening to it in progression, it feels very correct alongside of like the Jedi Survivor soundtrack or the Andor Season 2.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I agree. It is pushing the sonically the oxygen of the new direction, and I absolutely adore it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's definitely a fresh take.

SPEAKER_01

There's not a day in this household that a Star Wars soundtrack isn't on. It's usually how we kind of wake up with morning coffee. And well, let me ask you, what is what what emotional moment of this film landed the hardest for you?

SPEAKER_02

I honestly I did clap. I was very like they deserved it, if we're being honest. There is a moment in this movie where after Grogu has fed Din the medicine that the alligator snake man gave him. Sorry, I don't know that character's name.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I called him Old Man Fish Head and a Rocking Chair guy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, rocking chair guy.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um after he feeds that to him and he stands there for a minute and he realizes that it hasn't worked or maybe it won't work ever, and he goes up to the other side of Den and moves his arm a little bit and like snuggles up next to him.

SPEAKER_01

You stole my answer.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my goodness. Sobbing. I like uncontrollable remove myself from the theater, kind of crying.

SPEAKER_01

It is like if you've ever had a like a smaller dog and you're on the sofa and the dog just you know comes out of nowhere and you're watching a good movie and your dog curls up, you know, balls up next to you, right next to your body. That's what I was watching. Grogu was reminding me of our dog and when he's loving Bowie. Did I say Grogu? No, Boe. Grogu has not snuggled up next to me. Our dog does, but that that literally was my answer where I just went, oh man, my heart is just full of love. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02

Um there was one more. Um when they are they've escaped the snake pit and they're running back to the Enzelan ship. And Din gets there and has a moment of like, now you know I'm not fitting on that. But and Grogu turns around and is like, Look, dad, I did it. I got us here. Oh Din's like, go ahead, buddy. It's okay, I'll be right behind you. Yeah. I was not okay during that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, my heart broke. I was like, no, it just I know.

SPEAKER_02

Poor Grogu, he just doesn't get it at that moment. I know. And you know it's coming too, because like that's the only ship there, and it still hurt.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you're you're you're right. I mean, at one moment I was like, you know, has Pay Pedro's paycheck gotten so big that this is how they're gonna deal with it. And moving forward, Brendan Wayne will be stepping in. Um yeah, that that was a tough one. Dear, what was it for you that you just because you were you you really love Dan Zellens? Like you every time they came on screen, especially because you now know when they're a speeder going to a Navarro, like giggling and they're they're just hauling ass in their little speeder.

SPEAKER_03

You know, like you always just I hear you giggling and laughing and or the moment that kind of I was like, oh no, or got Mistia. Oh, yeah, is when that was it a wolf from that oh the dog kind of grabbed one of them in its mouth and he was like, oh no, I got me.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I was like, no, not that one. I would say that moment. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Totally. Well, well, let's talk Denjarin. I mean, I feel like Mandalorian season one and two felt like it was the, you know, part of the two shots we had to get coming out of COVID. Like it just saved everyone. You know, people who aren't into Star Wars were watching every episode. Those two seasons were just flawless. And it felt like I don't know if it was just overdose on Mando and Grogu. And then season three came around, and I feel like perhaps some people kind of, you know, lost interest maybe during season three. But I don't want to say it felt like Denjar and Mando became uncool, but he didn't seem to kind of have the what's the right word? What am I trying to say? Like, you know, the It wasn't capturing the interest in the Yes. And it feels like with this movie, Dinjarin is back. Like kids are wearing the t-shirts, people think it's cool. The Dinjar and Mando, you know, trading cards have skyrocketed. Um, you know, what where does Jen's uh Jen, where does De Din now sit with you as I mean, do you feel he's one of the most important Star Wars characters ever? I mean, is he earned a place beside Luke, Han, Obi-Wan?

SPEAKER_02

You know, as far as iconicity goes, I think he's definitely there, and I think he has been since Mando season one. Um it feels like to me a big reason why we kind of had that very steep fall-off from season two into season three going into this, is that season three kind of lost its way in terms of what The Mandalorian was supposed to be, and that is at its core a Western. By season three, that was all but gone. And I think that this really did return Din to the kind of Western hero that he was in season one, and I think that's a reason why a lot of people love him so much. And he it felt kind of like a return to form in this for me. I love Din, I think he's a really interesting character. I'm always very fascinated by the like doesn't talk a lot but does a lot in action kind of characters. Yeah. Um, and just beyond that, the costume is sick. Like his costume has always been really cool. And now that he's got the full Beskar, it's just like next level aura farming constantly. But I feel it does kind of feel like they lost the plot a little bit for season three, and then this is picking back up kind of where it sh where the vibes should have been. So yeah, I think that he is kind of up there with the great Star Wars faces just because he's so instantly recognizable.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, everyone knows who he is. I I feel like that third season, it the story was so dense. There was just so much like the lore and the backstory, and why why is she upset? And you know, I couldn't, I just couldn't keep up. I I must admit, we went to Rebel ScumCon last year and they had a uh great panel with Axe Woves and Armour, yeah, and uh Tate Fletcher, Emily Swallow. That kind of made me love them. They were so much fun that I went back and re-watched season three a second time and enjoyed it much more that time around. But it just felt like the story got away from them. There was maybe they had too much money or something, you know? Like it didn't feel like efficient storytelling. It felt like we're gonna make as big deep of a story as we can with all this backstory and you know.

SPEAKER_02

So Yeah, it does kind of feel like in the production room they knew that there wasn't a confirmation of a season four. So they were like, let's get all of our big ideas out now, and hopefully we'll get Greenlit to fulfill some of these.

SPEAKER_01

A lot of some of the criticisms I've read uh about the new film is that they don't feel Den has much of a story arc, which I've scratched my head at because I go, you know, it's a father-son story at this point, you know, full, fully fledged, you know, but he's stay staged. I don't I don't know what you know what age that puts him at, but like uh Grogu's grown as a character. He's nodding, yes, you know, he's he's a little bit more of an adult behavior, but I just feel like that father-son relationship is so so good in the film. And I also feel like yeah, finally in Star Wars, there's a father-son relationship that's positive. Which means it looks like we're finally getting a father-son story that isn't a handoff come to the dark side, you know, like come to the lights. Yeah, or just like so it was just kind of refreshing that it's a positive, you know, relationship.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I completely agree. I am not the first person to say this, but the it's very, I think, telling to me that the show is called The Mandalorian, and now the movie is The Mandalorian and Groku, as if to say Groku is his own character now. And yeah, I completely agree. It's such a heartwarming story where no one lost a limb, both parent and son survived, which is huge for Star Wars. Um it's just such a good time, and I love to see something that's like actually heartwarming. Like, I don't have to ignore the fact that Luke Skywalker's entire life has been flipped upside down or something like that. It's just a fun time.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Oh, oh, and um, oh my gosh, you're absolutely right. It's a f it's finally a fun time. Uh Kylo and Han, this isn't a good father's story.

SPEAKER_03

I totally not a dad. Well, a dad trying to tell his son to come to the lights for the good side.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, got it. Yeah, I mean, that one was just dreadful too. Like, yeah, yeah. Good heavens.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, moving on. Is Grogu now bigger than Baby Yoda?

SPEAKER_01

I mean or Yoda. Yeah, no, no, is Grogu better than that's the question you're asking, Han is is that Grogu better uh bigger than Baby Yoda? Because it feels like he's become a real character as opposed to just a phenomenon, right? He's developed. Yeah, you mentioned that earlier.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What do you think?

SPEAKER_02

I feel like he's never going to escape Baby Yoda until he is no longer baby shaped. Um but I do think that he has enough brand recognition now that people can go, oh, that's baby Yoda. Oh, sorry, I mean Grogu. And that is a step forward, I think.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, absolutely. What do you what would you like to see Grogu's like where would you like to see him next? How would you like to see his character develop? I mean, do you have any desire to see this species and where he comes from, or is that pulling back the curtain?

SPEAKER_02

It is very I'm very conflicted about this because I love the Yodas as a species. They're definitely in my top three for Star Wars. And I love Yoda and Jattle just separately as characters.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And I think a little bit of the reason I love them is the mystery of not really knowing, but knowing that somehow in their genetic code as a species, they are just destined to be wise and caretakers, and specifically caretakers of younglings, because that is huge for what both Yoda and Yadel were doing while they were alive. But I don't know that I need to know necessarily where they come from. I would love to at least get like a planet name, but I don't think it's strictly necessary. And if I'm being honest, I don't think that we will ever get that because that was kind of a thing that George Lucas was adamant about. Like, we don't need to know what Yoda is or where he comes from. He's Yoda, and that's all we really need. And I think there is something kind of wonderful about that. Like every single question doesn't need to be answered, even in this space where we are usually getting answers to questions, even if it takes a couple years to get it done. As far as where I want Grogu to end up character-wise, I am scared of where he's going, if I'm being honest. I'm so attached to him as a baby. I'm not sure that I will ever get a like satisfactory moment where he's a teen or like when he starts talking. I'm a little bit nervous for that. I think best case is we get a really, really big time jump. And there is no teen Yoda or like a young adult Yoda or Grogu. There is strictly baby yoda and adult Yoda, and I think that would be my happy medium. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01

That would be an interesting conversation on film.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01

Well, okay, we have to talk about this because I cannot believe it. When I rolled over, it was in the morning, I grabbed my phone and I was scrolling through and I saw what I saw. I could not believe it. And I want you to walk us through all of it. You got to ask a question, and your video was played for Pedro, Sigorni, John, and Dave.

SPEAKER_02

Dave, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What and it walk us, it I'm sure most people have seen this, but if they haven't, what in the name of all that is holy?

SPEAKER_02

I know. What the crazy thing is.

SPEAKER_01

What happened here? What happened here?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Like how crazy thing is, I had absolutely nothing to do with that being shown to them. They didn't tell me about it. I so I made a video. So I was doing Mando Monday videos, which is a thing that people have been doing in this community forever, I assume. But I hopped on board, I was doing outfit videos up until the release of Mando and Grogu. I ran out of outfits. So I was like, okay, for this last one, we'll sit down and talk about what I think could happen in this movie. And I was talking about like, oh, maybe we'll get a cool moment with Zeb, or maybe we're going to see a force user, or maybe we're gonna see someone of the ghost crew. And just like little things, I wasn't really thinking anything of it. I honestly was very close to not making the video because, like, who cares what I think might happen in a movie that's not out yet. But I ended up posting it and just kind of left it, didn't think anything about it. I was like, okay, maybe I'll do a YouTube video later about like reacting to what I thought and was I right and whatever. And that day I had sat down to record that YouTube video of reacting to what I thought was going to happen after watching the movie. And one of my mutuals, I believe it was Mando's girl, messaged me in all caps. We have never talked before, by the way. She messages me in all caps with a link to this video that says, You're in this. And it's like seven o'clock in the morning. I'd just woken up and I'm like, there's no way I'm in this. So I click on it and it opens with one of my very good friends, Kyber Chrissy, asking a question, like them reacting to her video. And then another one of my mutuals for the lore is in this video. And I was like, okay, maybe I was just mistaken for them, or like she accidentally sent that message to me when she was trying to get to one of them. That's totally fine. This is a cool video. I'm gonna watch it all the way through. And then my video came up and I absolutely freaked out to the extent I think anyone would have freaked out. Um, I would have never known. Yeah, I would have never known that I was in it if uh she had not messaged me about it. I was not told that it was happening. They didn't ask to use the video, which I for this purpose I'm completely fine with. Other like in any other circumstance, I would have been like, hmm, probably should have asked. But they literally showed my video to John Faveron DeFalone.

SPEAKER_01

So because I was convinced that we missed maybe they said, hey, send the your video clips in, and they chose yours. So they didn't ask your permission, and they just posted and r reacted and then responded to the video that you created on IG.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so I believe what might have happened is that they were looking through the Mandalorian and Grogu tag on specifically TikTok because that's what they credited my video from. And yeah, they just took I had a bunch, my that video of mine was like three-ish minutes long. They took a little chunk from the end of it where I said Pedro Pascal was gonna die and showed it to him. And like absolutely insane. I honestly still can't believe that it happened. I don't think, like, I still I'm not really sure how they found that video, but it's just so cool.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Well, it it was it was truly amazing. I watched it like five times, and and the fact that they, you know, leaned over, Dave leaned over and was like, I was about to say that, yeah. Yeah, and that they you know name checked the puffer pig, which I know, yeah. Those things are all over that. I I don't you know, I don't know how many of those they move, but there's quite a few for sale at Disney.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, they've been there for years too.

SPEAKER_01

Years and and so I thought that they picked that up and they talked about it was just unbelievable. Uh so uh we were so happy for you and uh so envious of you, and uh we gotta get we gotta get her on the show to talk about this because I can't imagine the fan just waking up having created content and I would freak out. Those guys are all commenting it on it on on your video, which was super cool. And I loved when John was like, oh, twin sons, like there's some really good in-universe names here, and just you know, even though it was your twin sons hearing John Battery. No, but it's also yours, yeah. Yeah, I say twin sons, I just went, twin sons. Like, this is awesome. So wow. I mean, that's congratulations. That's just so cool.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_02

It feels very weird being congratulated on it because I truly had nothing to do with it, but thank you very much. I can't I can't believe they didn't ask. I know, I really can't either.

SPEAKER_01

Like, I guess it's just because it's out in the public world. I don't know. Maybe they, you know, that's you know, that's not the way it works, but they they put you on camera. And so, yeah, well, well done. Well, let me ask you here in closing, I mean, what do you think that this movie does for the rest of the Star Wars movies? Do you think after this movie there's going to be a thirst for more theatrical Star Wars?

SPEAKER_02

I hope so. I think that Star Wars is and always will be for theaters. And even though I love the Disney Plus shows, some of my favorite things out of Star Wars have come from the animated shows and obviously the books and the comics and all of this stuff. But at the end of the day, Star Wars started in theaters, and I think that is what the goal should always be are these movies, whether that be a trilogy or whether that be a one-shot movie like this. And I really hope that despite the what many are calling lackluster box office numbers, I don't really keep track of that. I don't know what a good box office number would be. Yeah, like who cares? Honestly.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's not my money. It is my money. Three times in IMAX, you know? It was like a car payment.

SPEAKER_02

And we're going again.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we're definitely going to go. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I've got I went to go see Thunderbolts uh 11 times in theater, so I'm hoping to get around those numbers for this.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Once a week, why not? What formats have you seen it in so far?

SPEAKER_02

So far, I've only done standard. I'm not super close to an IMAX, but I have plans very soon to make a pilgrimage down to one of them because it just feels like I have to watch it at least once.

SPEAKER_01

You do before whatever movie's coming out next. I I highly recommend the the its IMAX experience is incredible. The other one we saw it in was something called Screen X. And I don't know if you're familiar with Screen X, but there's the movie screen in the front, and then they do screens on the side of the theater.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen a concert once with Screen X is.

SPEAKER_01

It's like a 280 degree or something, which is a really fun. The only problem with that is I find myself sort of looking at the screens on the side, just kind of yeah, I don't know. I was wondering a little bit, but you you know, make a make a day out of seeing it IMAX. It really is special. Um, yeah. Well, if Dave Filone calls you. You and says, you know, uh we want you to to recommend what's your recommendation if we're gonna green light one movie tomorrow? What would it be? It can be a continuation, it can be one of the novels you've read.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my goodness, that is such a loaded question. What I would love more than anything is to get one more OG trilogy gang movie with Alden Airwrights, Han and Donald Glover's Lando. And I'm sorry, her name is escaping me. Uh Carrie Fisher's daughter as Leia. And then the the actor that was Luke that got his face replaced, even though he looks identical to Luke Skywalker. Um if we can get them all together and do a movie that is set a little bit before like Air to the Jedi, maybe, or maybe something in the New Republic era, that is what I really, really want. I think that we deserve, as Star Wars fans, more of specifically Luke and Leah together. So that is what I would want. Oh, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_01

Why not recast them, you know?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I mean, at this point, they're all dead in canon, anyways. So I don't see the harm in it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Millie, what about you?

SPEAKER_03

Darth Vader.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, Darth Vader. Oh, yeah. That's the that's the Hayden. They put Hayden in any era of the storytelling of Darth Vader. It's a moneymaker, and he's so good as a representative of Disney. Never controversial. He's not out partying. He doesn't, you know, talk politics. Me?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What would I pick? I, you know, just give me Ewan all day long. I hope, I hope, I hope we're able to see. The problem is Ewan's aging so beautifully that I'd love I'd love to see him get old enough to m move into Alec Guinness's OV-1.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my God, he has a ways to go.

SPEAKER_01

In Ahsoka, Hayden dressed in the Clone Wars outfit, like was just incredible. Incredible.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Live action, Clone Wars, do it. And at this point, I'd almost love to see a live action mall. I'd really enjoyed this mall much more than I thought I was. I mean, it was like a great cop movie or something. I loved Shadow Lord.

SPEAKER_02

I'm so excited for season two of that show.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That was the way Vader was in that show, like genuinely terrifying. I think that's the first time I've ever been scared of Vader.

SPEAKER_01

It was it was awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. Where where can listeners find you?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, thank you so much for having me. I am on Instagram and TikTok at twin.sons with two n's, S-U-N-N-S, and then on YouTube at twinsons, the same username with no period.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. And we just uh uh had this revelation about your twin son's name prior to hitting the report button. Let listeners know why it's twin sons, two n's and an S.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. So my name is Sunny, S-U-N-N-Y, and I am a twin, so twin sons.

SPEAKER_01

Brilliant. Well, keep doing what you're doing. We're absolutely loving the content and the timeline and you know, all the cool little shop shopping that you do. So yeah, keep doing what you're doing. It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you so much, guys. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. Well, that has been three episodes covering The Mandalorian and Grogu, the film, Three Perspectives, One Galaxy. Thank you for joining us on this journey through The Mandalorian and Grogu.

SPEAKER_03

Thank you. Until next time.

SPEAKER_01

Hi, this is Simon Cassianides here with John and Nelly on the Twin Sons podcast.