Unlocking AI Success Without a Tech Background: Rob Cressy, AI Enablement Coach – Ep 07

Welcome to Episode-7 of What the futr.

In this episode of What the futr, Sandesh Patel and Chris Brandt  sit down with AI Enablement Coach Rob Cressy to explore AI adoption challenges, the power of intentionality, and why a growth mindset can turn overwhelm into action.

Join the conversation to explore why mindset, curiosity, consistency, and system design are key to succeeding with AI. Learn how to turn ChatGPT into a creative partner, build repeatable systems, uncover the “hidden and non-obvious,” and create real impact.

This episode is an insight into how anyone, regardless of technical background, can harness the power of AI and ChatGPT. 

Stay tuned if you are ready to stop dabbling and start creating with AI.

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Transcript

00:00:03:02 - 00:00:09:03
Sandesh
You got to change the game.

00:00:09:05 - 00:00:35:20
Sandesh
Up! Let's jump in, boys. I am super excited for today. We got Rob Cressey. So for our audience, Rob is my eye coach. One of the best things I love about hosting this podcast is I get to meet amazing people. And one of my old colleagues, Ben Cordell, reached out and he's like, hey, you should meet this guy Rob Cressey.

00:00:35:22 - 00:00:56:04
Sandesh
He's awesome. He's an eye coach. So he set us up and I had a call with Rob. It took about ten minutes for me to realize that I wanted him to be my coach. So this is really cool, because now we've gone through the whole program, and it's been just a fantastic experience and everything that I was hoping for and more.

00:00:56:06 - 00:01:00:08
Sandesh
So, Rob, thank you for being here and joining us on the show here.

00:01:00:10 - 00:01:05:08
Rob
Thank you for having me. I'm 15 now, ten excited.

00:01:05:10 - 00:01:10:14
Sandesh
Plus you got the voice for for podcast. So you're you're already set. Brother.

00:01:10:16 - 00:01:13:14
Rob
I would like to take a face as well, but I've heard the voice.

00:01:13:16 - 00:01:17:11
Chris
And I mean, just.

00:01:17:13 - 00:01:33:00
Sandesh
So, Rob, maybe we want to start out before we dive in a little bit. A little bit about you. We got a big audience from Chicago as well. So maybe you want to fill us a little about who's Rob and how did you get to where you are today?

00:01:33:02 - 00:02:01:13
Rob
So I'm Rob Cressey, I'm a husband, I'm a father. I'm an entrepreneur. And, I'm an I coach. But originally I ran a sports marketing agency called Bacon Sports 15 years ago when I was living in Chicago. So my dream was to get paid to talk about sports for a living. So I turned a sports blog into a sports marketing agency, creating engaging podcast video content live streaming, social media marketing.

00:02:01:15 - 00:02:27:11
Rob
I threw two events at Union Station. I love Chicago, was my dream to live and moved to Chicago. I lived there for more than a decade. I still consider it my home, even though I live in Sarasota, Florida. Right now. Chicago is a part of me. You can hear it in my voice flying into Chicago, coming out of the Al, like, I'm legitimately excited just talking about Chicago.

00:02:27:13 - 00:02:55:08
Rob
But Chicago's what helped bring me to life as an entrepreneur. I remember I was never around big buildings before. I was raised in Pittsburgh. I went to college at Miami of Ohio, and then I moved, Chicago go. And I remember my very first time coming to Chicago in the city because my mom's family's from the suburbs, and I looked at the big buildings and they inspired me so much to dream as big as possible.

00:02:55:09 - 00:03:11:20
Rob
And every time I see the skyline, I feel that same thing. And that energy and that passion is why I show up the way that I do today. And it also manifests in the way that I leverage I, as well as support others to do the same.

00:03:11:22 - 00:03:20:05
Sandesh
So how did you go from a podcast about sports to getting into I.

00:03:20:06 - 00:03:47:20
Rob
So it's simple. So I have no I background, I have no tech background that I am not a coder, but I do have a background in being all in on my dreams and goals and vision and making that happen. So, when I started my entrepreneurial journey 15 years ago, I went from my corporate job selling digital advertising sales, making, a couple hundred thousand dollars a year to $0 overnight.

00:03:47:22 - 00:04:12:22
Rob
And on that very first day of entrepreneurship, I had no self-aware business and no growth mindset. So I was literally as a zero as you could get. No website, no clients, no nothing. So every day for 15 years in a row, my goal is to make myself better today than I was yesterday. So I've turned myself into a high performer by doing the work because I was not this person.

00:04:12:22 - 00:04:27:12
Rob
And this is what was required in order for me to make my dreams happen. So a mentor said something to me that changed my life. Rob, if you ever hope to get paid to do what you love, you better be doing it already. So I wanted to get paid to talk about sports for a living. So what do you do?

00:04:27:18 - 00:04:51:13
Rob
You teach yourself podcasting, audio and video editing, being on camera, being a host, social media marketing, essentially learning how to build a media company. So I did that for a decade. I was hired as a host of shows for fantasy sports and sports betting. And then Covid came and guess which industry got demolished by Covid sports? TikTok. Kind of hard talking about sports betting.

00:04:51:15 - 00:05:10:04
Rob
There's no sports. And I had an inflection moment. I could either die like the rest of the industry, or I could step into my true calling of being a coach. I never set out to become a coach. It was never on my life vision board or like, I'm going to do this one day, or hey, maybe I'm gonna try.

00:05:10:04 - 00:05:32:05
Rob
Coaching wasn't me, but I naturally just shared my journey with the way that I create content and help people. It's it's who I am. I lived this way. So when I finally got hired as a high performance coach to help people be better at business by being better at life on that very first client, which was in an ad agency in New York.

00:05:32:07 - 00:05:56:21
Rob
That was I was coaching their ad sales team. All I had to do is reverse and reverse engineer the last decade of my life. How did I do it step by step. So the mindsets, the identity, the ways of being and such as, you know, stacking one's over zeros 1111, one to stacking these things. So that became my business was high performance coaching.

00:05:56:21 - 00:06:20:00
Rob
But it just so happens what's my background in brand building. So now Rob is a catalyst for growth mindset and heart set as well as building your brand. So then we're going to go what would have been three years ago. And I get a text message from my friend Jeff, who also lives in Chicago, and he says, Rob, check out this site called ChatGPT.

00:06:20:02 - 00:06:43:19
Rob
I click on it and within the first minute of using it, I felt like I use the internet for the first time. Immediately I saw the next decade of business and I was all in all it. I could not believe this was real. You're telling me this is $0? I was already showing up, having done the work for 15 years, and this is what you're going to give to me.

00:06:43:21 - 00:07:06:04
Rob
I was like, game over. Because how many times in life have you heard people say, if only I was there when Facebook started or YouTube was invented, or Google ads, I would have made so much money. Ding ding ding ding ding. This is day five of ChatGPT all in it. Because I was already a coach for high performance and brand building.

00:07:06:09 - 00:07:31:07
Rob
Guess what? The next layer of growth. That was logical AI. So what I started to do is what a creator does. I just started to share how I was using ChatGPT in my mindset in this. And this is so important for everybody because it's what separates me and it takes no effort whatsoever. My goal of using ChatGPT is growth aka business growth.

00:07:31:09 - 00:07:51:23
Rob
So when everyone's like it told me George Washington went to the moon, I'm like, that's completely irrelevant. How's it going to help me grow my business? Because my goal is to turn a dollar into $1.50. So by just simply sharing how I was creating with ChatGPT. So I created a private Facebook group, and then all of a sudden people just joined in this thing.

00:07:52:04 - 00:08:10:01
Rob
I'm sharing how I'm doing it. I'm legitimately trying to break ChatGPT and push the limits of what's possible. And within three months, I'd already been doing one on one coaching and group coaching for entrepreneurs, CEOs and their team. And I haven't started I haven't solved for three years since.

00:08:10:03 - 00:08:31:07
Chris
Well, I think it's cool when you tell your story because, you know, there's a lot of aspects of AI that, you know, you know, things that are very technical and things like that. But the reality is like, you can start from zero and learn this and be productive. And some of the skills that you need in that regard are not those technical skills necessarily.

00:08:31:11 - 00:08:32:21
Chris
Right?

00:08:32:23 - 00:08:54:23
Rob
1,000,000%. And there's going to be a lot of things that we say that I want to make sure to highlight, because I've done a lot of these conversations and I understand what's valuable to people or where people are getting tripped up. Chris, the biggest thing here is seeing your lack of a technical experience as the advantage, not the downside.

00:08:55:00 - 00:09:16:06
Rob
Right? Because and we all know this, go and have a conversation with somebody in your tech department. How do you think that thing's going to go. Usually it's not very well. Right. Because they're tech. People speak a certain language and then everybody else speaks another one because one of the biggest things and Sandesh, you know this because of how we created that.

00:09:16:06 - 00:09:41:11
Rob
I try and share with everybody everything you need to succeed and grow in the AI era is already inside of you. It has nothing to do with the tech and the tools. It has everything to do with the inputs. So all of your years of experience. The reason I'm great at this is because I've done the work, the mindset, the heart set, the content that habits, the routines, the everything.

00:09:41:12 - 00:10:01:13
Rob
And then you just put it in there. Oh, Rob, I just never thought that I could do that. It's like, yeah, it's right there in front of us. But so many people, Chris, allow the fears, the judgments, the self-limiting beliefs, the what. I am not from stopping them from even getting in the game because I don't have a tech background.

00:10:01:15 - 00:10:19:12
Chris
Yeah. And quite frankly, a lot of tech folks are starting at ground zero, too, because when you're talking about things like prompt engineering and things like that, I mean, you know, you even hear the comment that, you know, people, businesses are going to start looking for people with liberal arts degrees and English degrees rather than, you know, technical degrees.

00:10:19:12 - 00:10:22:17
Chris
Right? Because that's the kind of things that we need.

00:10:22:19 - 00:10:48:23
Rob
Well, yeah, because it's the and this, you know, this as well. I come from a human first heart first approach because what you create with your heart, you win. So what does that actually mean? It's called thinking into the I just take what's alive in you. So if you're feeling stuck right now on what do I put into ChatGPT, here is three very simple things that you can do and think of this as your own menu.

00:10:49:01 - 00:11:11:09
Rob
Number one, ask yourself what's alive in me right now and just type it into ChatGPT. Number two, what are your dreams? Are your goals or your vision? Whatever it is put into ChatGPT and number three, what are your challenges or pain points or the friction you're feeling right now? What is ChatGPT so alive? Hey, this is what's happening.

00:11:11:11 - 00:11:24:15
Rob
The big goals and dreams. This is where I want to go. The challenges. This is the stuff in my life that sucks that I don't like. All three of them go and build. It can literally be that simple because it is that simple.

00:11:24:17 - 00:11:37:20
Sandesh
Your philosophy really aligns well with coaching. And for those people that don't know what coaching is, can you just quickly just explain the whole concept of an AI coach? What does that mean in simple terms?

00:11:37:22 - 00:12:02:09
Rob
A few simple things. Number one, I want to help you build a foundation for how you think, create and lead with AI because systems scale and most people do not have a system for how in the world I use ChatGPT your AI. So most people are using AI like Google. They're asking question, getting an answer. It's very transactional, but then it doesn't sound like me.

00:12:02:09 - 00:12:25:13
Rob
I sound like a robot. The results suck. Well, why? Because you have not personalized it so sometimes, and this isn't anything groundbreaking. If you want to go somewhere, go with someone who's already been there because they might be able to help you. Do so. So as a coach, that's step one. I've just seen a lot of things from having the rest of the experience that I can speed up that foundation for you.

00:12:25:18 - 00:12:47:07
Rob
This is a quote that I love. The bigger the dreams, the deeper the foundation. Most people just show up and use it like Google. Or they're like, why am I not getting world class results? Because you put no effort into this thing. And then number two, and this is probably the biggest one, is, a portal a possibility so that this you come and you say, Rob, this is the vision of what I want to create.

00:12:47:09 - 00:13:11:07
Rob
And I go, great, I'm gonna hold that space. I'm going to be that. Yes. And I'm going to challenge you. I'm going to help you see some things that you're not thinking or you're not seeing. And I am here to be your sherpa, to be your guide, to be that champion for you so that you know you've got a safe space to create with someone who is all in on helping you be the best version of yourself.

00:13:11:12 - 00:13:14:18
Rob
And it just so happens he's world class at using AI.

00:13:14:20 - 00:13:38:13
Sandesh
So let me, for the audience, let me just give a little summary of what the experience has been like for me to work with Rob. One of the things I really, really appreciated was I was using ChatGPT. I've tried pretty much the top five GPT that are out there, and I've started to play around with it, but I didn't know if I was doing it right.

00:13:38:15 - 00:13:58:21
Sandesh
And what was really cool with Rob is when I get on a call with him, we meet for an hour. We had 12 sessions. He would start with, what do you want to create today? That was always the first question, which then I would say, okay, I want to create a workflow. For example, this is one thing that Rob helped me with is I'm I'm on these meetings.

00:13:58:21 - 00:14:28:19
Sandesh
I have AI taking all these notes. But they're all in these different platforms and it's hard to have at home homogeneous. How can I automate in a way where we can get these AI notes into one document? Or then I can be a central source and repository for me. And by the end of that call, now I have it recorded with Rob, and he's literally teaching me the point and clicking, which is exactly what I need, because I'm not the guy.

00:14:28:19 - 00:14:49:15
Sandesh
If you were to tell me, go read a manual and go figure out how to do this, forget about it, right? Like I'm the guy who, you know, after Christmas gifts, you know, it's time to assemble stuff. I just kind of go after it first. It's looking at the instructions, which is a huge mistake, by the way, because you can you can make a lot of, a lot of issues for yourself.

00:14:49:17 - 00:15:16:06
Sandesh
But I really, really appreciated the practical side of of how you were training. Can you tell me a little bit you've coached all these people. You are you've been coached by some of the best. I know you're your friends with Dan Martell. What have you learned in general about the real challenges of AI adoption for the average Joe?

00:15:16:08 - 00:15:36:07
Rob
Well, most people are not in the game to begin with, so let's start there. They're sitting there at zero. And then number two, it's very simple consistency. There's just a lack of consistency. So there's a book that changed my life by Weldon Long called The Power of Consistency. And he said, you know why most people don't achieve their dreams?

00:15:36:11 - 00:15:55:09
Rob
It's because they just don't spend enough time in them. The average person looks at their goals once a year on January 1st, maybe the best in the world. Look at their goals at least once a day. Well, the same is true with growth and AI, and this is why it is so simple. And anybody listening right now can immediately grow.

00:15:55:14 - 00:16:17:13
Rob
Because if you're sitting there at zero, just get in your first 20 hours. Because the one word sandesh that people do not realize that is the key to all success in AI is experience. Meaning you will learn more from doing then you will from theory. So we have we all have kids. How do you teach them how to ride a bike?

00:16:17:15 - 00:16:38:20
Rob
Step one you buy the bike. Step two you put on training wheels. Then they use the training wheels. Step three you take off the training wheels and they use them for six months. Step four A year later they're popping wheelies. The same is true with AI in ChatGPT, because the way that I say this is, the more you see, the more you can see.

00:16:38:22 - 00:17:07:00
Rob
So what does that mean the more you experience growth and light bulb moments, or Chris, as we're talking about it, the things we like or that we don't like with you mature closer to the nuances or the masses or the not this, but this or the emojis everywhere. Yeah, you start to experience that. And then Sundays, you know this what you once you experience one thing of growth, you're like, oh, now I can keep doing that because the true level up becomes systems thinking.

00:17:07:02 - 00:17:30:22
Rob
Why? Because system scale ChatGPT can write you an email or build you a rocketship to the moon. Everything in between there is capacity. So instead of writing an email, how about we think about the system for creating endless amounts of emails? And then you take that mindset everywhere, because the thing that people don't realize is that success in AI is just about how you approach it.

00:17:31:00 - 00:17:55:02
Rob
So for me, it's all about having a possibility mindset. So many people are coming from scarcity. I don't have enough time. I'm overwhelmed. I don't have a tech background. This is just moving too fast for me. Throw that in the trash instead. What if dot dot dot just put it in the chat you t and the more you do it, then eventually you catch what I call the bug.

00:17:55:06 - 00:18:07:09
Rob
And I caught that within one minute where you're like, oh my God, oh my God, I could do this, I could do this, I could do this. And that bug is like, I can't stop using ChatGPT because of how fast everything is growing.

00:18:07:14 - 00:18:19:13
Chris
You know, you mentioned systems thinking, and I think that's central to like being successful in working with AI. Could you dig a little bit more into into like what systems thinking is.

00:18:19:15 - 00:18:36:11
Rob
Yeah. So this is going to be another one of those things that for a large majority of the people, this is going to be a zero. And I know this because I was this person. So, two of my mentors are at my left and Andy for Sela, and I've been a part of their organization for seven years.

00:18:36:15 - 00:19:03:18
Rob
And one of the things they've said on calls over and over again, system scale, system scale. And I'm like, cool, I hear you, I believe you, and I've never built a system in my life, so I don't I don't know what you guys mean about building a system. Right? And you know what the answer is? You build your first system, so you just look at your life in terms of what you would like to repeat.

00:19:03:20 - 00:19:27:10
Rob
And here's the beautiful thing about AI. And side note when I use AI or ChatGPT, it's all the same difference for what we're talking about here is that if you can create something repeatable, you can scale yourself and you can create a consistent output. Well, that is good for growth and business. So this starts with a level of thinking on systems.

00:19:27:10 - 00:19:56:01
Rob
Thinking is more macro versus the execution is A11111. So if you can come in from the high level and say, all right, I'm going to do this thing. So let's look at this from social media marketing. This is a simple example. You can create one post for LinkedIn by using ChatGPT. Or you can take systems thinking and say, what is my content marketing strategy for the year on LinkedIn?

00:19:56:05 - 00:20:20:23
Rob
Am I committed to one post a day? Cool. One of those posts about what? Do you have a content bucket? Do you have various themes and strategies? Hey ChatGPT, I heard that systems thinking is important for content marketing. Help me build out a simple and easy content strategy that me and my team can execute over the next 90 days in bullet points dot dot dot.

00:20:21:00 - 00:20:43:21
Rob
So you're designing the thing that executes the micro, and then you you leverage the power of consistency. And that's how you grow and that's how you create momentum. And that is why those people and companies not using AI are about to become obsolete because of how fast we all grow when we're thinking and designing and systems.

00:20:43:23 - 00:21:03:02
Chris
You know, you give a really important insight. I think there too is like, you know, if you don't know what systems thinking is or you don't know how to design a systems, just ask GPT. I mean, if you have a question or if it says something to you that you don't understand, you know, there's no harm in asking it because it'll tell you.

00:21:03:07 - 00:21:12:04
Chris
And the great thing is, you don't even have to worry about looking dumb, because if you're just talking to an AI. So just go ahead and ask any kind of question if you get stuck.

00:21:12:04 - 00:21:49:09
Rob
Chris, here's the here's the thing that people don't see that not only is this not a negative, it is actually the path to everything you want, because never in the history of the world moving forward do you ever have to wonder how to do something, because I don't know, equals a trigger for putting into ChatGPT because as high performers, where do we see the most growth, our blindspots, our friction, our challenges, the things that are not working for us or the things we don't know how to do.

00:21:49:11 - 00:22:11:14
Rob
So there's the book, The Obstacle is the Way. What stands in the way becomes the way. Welcome to the AI era. So here's a very simple thing that I can help everybody with to remove all over while I'm about AI. Oh my God, Robert, the updates are just so fast. There's Gemini three and Claude and GPT 5.2. I just can't keep up with everything.

00:22:11:16 - 00:22:40:17
Rob
Cool. So when you don't know something, take a screenshot off of social media, drop it into ChatGPT and say, hey, I just saw this new update. I know nothing about this. Make this simple and easy for me to understand. How does this apply to me, my business, and my clients? Boom! So the path to growth is actually not knowing because the bridge is AI.

00:22:40:18 - 00:23:03:05
Rob
But then here's the next separator and I always hammer this home with you. Our goal is not to play ChatGPT. Our goal is to turn ideas into action because for a lot of people, AI is a parking lot. Cool cool cool cool. But I didn't do anything. You only grow when you shift the work. So this is where all of these things.

00:23:03:05 - 00:23:19:17
Rob
This is Rob, the high performance coach coming in right now, right? We can play AI. I can teach you how to think and I can teach you how to think in systems. I can teach you signal recognition. Hey, here's something I don't know. Teach me how to do it. But if you're not doing the work, none of this matters.

00:23:19:17 - 00:23:43:09
Sandesh
Creating those outcomes is definitely key. What we're hinting on here is the educational side of AI. And Chris, I want your opinion on this to what in your opinion, Rob, now that you've spent all this time with AI and you're really helping a lot of people that maybe are at ground zero or all the way up to people that are already in it, but just want to take it to the next step.

00:23:43:11 - 00:24:00:17
Sandesh
From an educational perspective, where do we go from here? What are the how should people educate themselves? What is the best way to look at this? We all have children. In Chris's son, priority knows more about AI than than than ChatGPT.

00:24:00:19 - 00:24:04:06
Chris
He's been a ChatGPT beta tester since the very beginning.

00:24:04:06 - 00:24:07:07
Sandesh
So I love it, I love it, and of course, he's your son.

00:24:07:07 - 00:24:08:23
Chris
He's 15, so you know. Yeah.

00:24:08:23 - 00:24:21:03
Sandesh
Love it. But like, what do you think, Rob? Like, you know, when we think about, the next generations to come, how should they go about educating themselves on AI?

00:24:21:07 - 00:24:41:17
Rob
I'm going to make this nice and simple. I'm going to give it a foundational element. And then the only three options. Number one, this is just growth mindset 101. So if you've not yet read the book God read Mindset by Carol Dweck and understand growth mindset, I can always make myself better. Fixed mindset I'm trapped and I'm not going anywhere.

00:24:41:20 - 00:24:56:12
Rob
Right? So we on this call roll in and we're like, we all have a growth mindset. We want to grow, we want to get better. But that's kind of important because for a lot of people, they do not have that orientation. And I know this because I didn't have a growth mindset for the first 30 years of my life.

00:24:56:14 - 00:25:22:06
Rob
So I can never assume somebody gets that. But then the next thing here, let's not overdramatize this because this is dead simple. There's only three ways to learn. Number one self-paced on your own. Go and watch YouTube videos, tutorials, blog posts. God knows I've got just loads of free content to help you every side of the journey. That's going to be a little bit slower, but it's on your own.

00:25:22:06 - 00:25:43:15
Rob
And by the way, that's how I've learned. Number two, you go and find an expert that is already doing it and you purchase their course. Why? Because now they're going to remove the guesswork. It's going to be faster, higher quality. It is going to allow you to be more confident because you're not guessing. And there's a quote that I love.

00:25:43:18 - 00:26:07:06
Rob
And this is back in the days of when I was coaching people to help pod or launch podcasts. Uncertainty leads to inaction. If you don't know what to do, you're likely to do nothing. Well, the best way you can get certainty. Interested purchases program because now you're a certainty on doing this work. And then number three, the last thing, and this is what you did, just work directly with that person, right?

00:26:07:08 - 00:26:33:12
Rob
So buy yourself self-paced with their course or go directly to the source. And now you get to personalize it. Right? Because Sandesh, many people have come into my world and leveraged my frameworks and I love it. But there are some people who say, Rob, I want to get down with you because I want to go faster. I want to feel the transformation, and I want to apply this to my world.

00:26:33:16 - 00:26:41:18
Rob
There are no other options for how you can learn. So if this feels overwhelming, just ask, which way do you want to go and go that way?

00:26:41:20 - 00:26:43:08
Sandesh
Chris, how are you? What do you think?

00:26:43:10 - 00:27:03:21
Chris
I think that, I mean, I think, you know, Rob's put out some interesting points about like around just get started. You know, I think you know that that's the reality is it is changing fast. And it's something that's very new. I mean like, you know, three years ago we weren't having any of these conversations, you know, I mean, it's it's it's rapidly evolving.

00:27:04:03 - 00:27:23:04
Chris
It's changing quickly. And so, you know, you're not going to, you know, there's not going to be all those, you know, I for dummies books. And you sit around and, you know, read which don't I don't think help you a whole lot anyways. But my point is, you know, like what Rob's saying, it's like, get out and start doing it is is really important.

00:27:23:04 - 00:27:45:19
Chris
And I think the other thing is that that, you know, realize how you can utilize it to answer all your questions. I think that's such a such a big, big part of it. And and that, you know, like it, it is about like trying to, you know, I think the hardest, the hardest part in some ways is this really like Robin's kind of pointing out, it's like trying to figure out what you want to do with it.

00:27:45:23 - 00:28:08:08
Chris
Like, what is it you need to get out there? What is it you're trying to produce? What is it you're trying to change? You know, that's maybe even the hardest question to to ask yourself. So like that introspection piece of it, you know, upfront is is a big piece of it. And then when you get that bug, you know, to, you know, that's going to continue to drive you towards that sort of continuous learning and growth mindset that, you know, Rob talks about.

00:28:08:08 - 00:28:26:23
Chris
And I think I think, you know, just get started. It's you know, I used to talk about, you know, being in a getting a band together and things like that. You know, you book the gig and then you put the band together. Right? You know, so you have something to work towards, you know. And that's why I think having that, that goal and that objective of something to to aim for, I think is so important.

00:28:26:23 - 00:29:00:16
Sandesh
Totally. And to that point, one of the things, that Rob pointed out is the work that when he said that to me had landed because it was I was having so much fun, like creating all these different projects and ChatGPT asking all kinds of questions, you know, just seeing how much I could learn and, and, Chris, you know, this, like my favorite thing is when I, when I grow, when I learn something, when I, when I feel like there's advancements happening in my personal or professional life, I just get super, super excited.

00:29:00:18 - 00:29:29:02
Sandesh
At the end of the day, I gotta ship the work. And one of the things that Rob also taught me was to dream bigger. And that was another thing because I didn't realize I was playing small. I didn't realize that the things I was using ChatGPT for were quite elementary, and I really wasn't asking the right questions. So I think it's I think what I'm kind of highlighting is what you two just pointed out.

00:29:29:02 - 00:29:49:16
Sandesh
It's like, you gotta know what you're trying to build. You gotta know exactly what it is that you want. Because if you if you understand that, it'll take some time, but ultimately you can get to something where you can actually ship the work. I think that's a huge, huge piece of it. I know for me, that's been the game changer.

00:29:49:16 - 00:30:17:12
Sandesh
It's like, okay, no longer am I just going to, you know, twiddle with this thing. I'm creating things and I'm using it in my life. If you can rob maybe you if you want to share with us what were some of those moments for you, or some of the people that you've worked with, like what happens when one of your clients or peers or friends is like, oh, I did it.

00:30:17:12 - 00:30:21:06
Sandesh
Know that it can do that. What are some of those those moments?

00:30:21:08 - 00:30:43:04
Rob
So that's pretty much every day for me. It is. And that's what I loved, especially early on. I loved watching someone's just brain melt in front of me when they're like, you can do what I had happened earlier today when I showed somebody gamma in real time and they were like, what was this that you just saw? So I'm gonna break this down.

00:30:43:05 - 00:31:04:21
Rob
Sunday should be a yes. And to what you just said, it's going to sort of encompass all of these things because I do go deep and high level and then simple and practical by design, because both of them are important. One of the things that's very important to me, to my success in AI, is my standard of excellence.

00:31:04:23 - 00:31:42:23
Rob
All of what we are sharing in this conversation is the standard of excellence. So if you put yourself into AI as a high performer, as somebody who's heart led, who wants to make the world a better place, guess what? You're going to get out that. So garbage in, garbage out, gold in, gold out. But ultimately, for me, this becomes your standard of excellence and my standard of excellence for how I use ChatGPT can be, boiled down to a simple phrase intention by design, most people are not intentional in how they are using it.

00:31:42:23 - 00:32:08:07
Rob
They are more haphazard. In. Chris, one of the things that you were saying, that I completely agree with, I want to boil down to one word clarity. And this is people of all levels. They just have a lack of clarity. So, Sandesh, when you're talking about dreaming bigger, it's very challenging to connect the dots looking forward. But it's super easy to connect the dots looking backwards.

00:32:08:11 - 00:32:35:00
Rob
So I want to share probably my favorite breakthrough moment that I've had in the last six months. And what I call this, and I share this with my clients is impress yourself. Wear. My standard of excellence with AI is so good. I want to look at something and be like, damn, I can't believe I just did that. And that is actually the new standard for what we see.

00:32:35:02 - 00:33:02:15
Rob
So I'm sitting there in Rosemary Beach, Florida with my family. It is the opening weekend of college football. We drive eight hours from Sarasota to near Panama City. Shout out to everybody who went to Panama City for spring break. I was one of them back in the day. So everybody goes to bed early except for Rob, because I'm watching college football and one of my consistency practices, a habit I do every day, is visualization for five minutes.

00:33:02:17 - 00:33:27:03
Rob
I've got a vision board on my phone. So I go through there and I embody and I visualize myself being there in Sundays, similar to what we talked about with Dreaming Bigger. You and I have done a lot of vision work inside of ChatGPT, but then the little light bulb went off in my head and it said, hey Rob, why do you never put an image from your vision board into ChatGPT?

00:33:27:05 - 00:33:48:06
Rob
You've already done all the other work, the system, the processes. Why have you never put this specific image? The speaking of Dan Martell, I was looking at a picture of a McLaren, not the entry level one. Like the 400 grand one. That's, like intimidating where I'm not going to this place small, like, oh, I can only envision the small one.

00:33:48:06 - 00:34:21:02
Rob
No, give me the Big baller 400 Grand McLaren. You look at that thing. It's straight back, man style. I was like this thing is awesome, right? Because I want to be the identity of the person where this is my reality. So I put this in the ChatGPT. I upload the image to the McLaren. I was like, hey ChatGPT, I had this intuition of putting my vision board images in here and I'm curious, how will that change affect the output and power of my results?

00:34:21:04 - 00:35:10:19
Rob
And I said a few other things. And what did you do? You respond with, bloop, congratulations, Rob. You just opened up a brand new portal. Say hello to building is your future self now? And I was like, oh, because she said GPT doesn't know the difference between I own this McLaren and I want to own this McLaren. So if you say respond to me as if I am the one who already lives in, drives and shows up every single day as if I am this McLaren and it says, say hello to McLaren mode Rob, where we will now moving forward, respond to you as if you embody the identity, the mindsets, the habits, the routines,

00:35:10:23 - 00:35:35:12
Rob
the business acumen of the person driving that. McLaren and I was like, oh my God. So I then took an upload ten other images from my vision board into ChatGPT because guess what? All of a sudden we did Sandesh. We compressed time because, you know, it's hard for me. How in the world am I going to create $400,000 to drive a McLaren?

00:35:35:14 - 00:35:57:15
Rob
But you know what? Simple for me. Hey, Rob, the first thing I want you to do is to create a Spotify playlist called McLaren mode. And I want you to envision yourself driving that McLaren. And I want you to create your first five songs from that. So my first song was levels by a Viji, right? So boom, I crammed that thing in there and now I'm embodying this and I'm making this real.

00:35:57:15 - 00:36:23:08
Rob
So I ran the Chicago Marathon this year and at Miles 21 to 26.2. Guess what? It was hard as crap. And Sandesh, I even sent you a message while I was doing this. Right, because we're working together and I'm thinking about you and when it got especially hard. Guess what? I activated McLaren mode, Rob. Because this is what somebody driving this McLaren does.

00:36:23:14 - 00:36:37:02
Rob
So this was a long winded way of saying we can compress time and change our identity and connect the dots backwards by having clarity of where you want to go.

00:36:37:06 - 00:36:57:20
Chris
You know, you mentioned clarity. And I think that's that's a great point to make too, because, you know, we talked about asking ChatGPT questions. But I think one of the most powerful things you can ever tell and learn to do is ask me any questions you need. Any clarifying questions you need, any questions you need to help me solve this problem.

00:36:58:02 - 00:37:10:07
Chris
And and the great thing I find about that is it will start asking you questions that help you clarify your position. You know, like give it clarity to do what it needs to do. And that's a hugely valuable thing too.

00:37:10:09 - 00:37:37:19
Rob
All right, Chris, I am about to give the most valuable prompt that I have, and it's not a big baked project. It is only a few words. And here's what I want. And I want everybody to put this in your creator toolbox. Right. So this is something that you're going to use every single day consistently that speaks to what you're saying there, Chris, of the asking Questions.

00:37:37:21 - 00:37:44:03
Rob
And the prompt is what is the hidden and non-obvious?

00:37:44:05 - 00:37:45:07
Chris
Yeah, it's a great one.

00:37:45:09 - 00:38:09:19
Rob
Right. So once again, help me see what I can't see, because if I could see it, I would be doing this already. So no matter what, you're working on brand new ChatGPT updates, or writing a children's book, or cooking a steak or doing whatever you say, what is the hidden and non-obvious dot dot dot? Because I want to see what I cannot see.

00:38:09:22 - 00:38:28:18
Rob
Because once you see what you can't see, you can then do something about it. And this is just one of those caught ten prompts that I might use on an everyday basis. Like you're saying, Chris, because instead of the ask me the question, it's to help me see what I can't see, but I want to illuminate for everybody.

00:38:28:22 - 00:38:47:03
Rob
This is actually just a way of thinking, right? You're so good at what you do that I call this creating with the invisible. You don't even know this exists. And you're like, well, the good news is, I know is it exists. And this is going to mirror back to me a possibility. If you don't like it, throw it in the trash.

00:38:47:08 - 00:38:49:14
Rob
But if you do like it now, it can. Yes.

00:38:49:14 - 00:38:59:18
Sandesh
And it what that GPT is going to say, they're going to say Rob that is fantastic. That's great that you're considering the things that you can't see and why.

00:38:59:18 - 00:39:01:11
Chris
You're absolutely right.

00:39:01:13 - 00:39:17:14
Sandesh
You are on the right track. You're doing everything correct that those are the kinds of things that are starting to annoy me a little bit. Quite honestly, I didn't think that it would. But, I don't know, after a while. I just want the answer. You feel like.

00:39:17:17 - 00:39:19:21
Chris
Being gaslit at some point, I.

00:39:20:00 - 00:39:40:08
Rob
So do you want to know the answer to this? I've got I've got your answer. Once again, another piece of gold. So when I write with AI, I use it more as an editor than writing, because I've got a background as a writer. So I love to write. Now I'm conversational in there. Like I said, Chris, I don't know how to use semicolons.

00:39:40:13 - 00:40:05:17
Rob
Right? So I'm just I'm not that dude. So when I go into writing, I say, hey, Chad, you access my world class editor. Does this work? Why or why not? There is more value in the why not than the why? So Sandesh, if it keeps being sycophantic for you. And I was talking about. Man, you're the most epic thing in the world.

00:40:05:22 - 00:40:32:11
Rob
The key in all of this is why or why not? I want you to be my critical friend. Because remember, I is just a king of pattern recognition. So every word matters. There's a difference between a coach and a world class coach. And there's a difference between does this work and does this work? Why or why not? Because once again, Chris, similar to the hint here than on obvious, I get more value on why it does not work than I do.

00:40:32:11 - 00:40:36:08
Rob
Why it does work, because I want to know the holes in my boat.

00:40:36:10 - 00:40:45:22
Chris
Yeah. So I've got a question for for everybody here. Do you say please and thank you to your I.

00:40:46:00 - 00:40:48:19
Sandesh
I do, I do.

00:40:48:21 - 00:40:52:16
Rob
I do, I do as well because it's who I am as a person.

00:40:52:16 - 00:41:12:20
Chris
Well I mean and it's been and it's been shown that actually I will perform a little bit better if you are, you know, polite and you have these sort of niceties, which makes a lot of sense because it's, you know, taking a statistical model of, of, of language it and if you're polite and you have a reasonable discourse with someone, you're probably going to get better answers anyways.

00:41:12:20 - 00:41:21:01
Chris
So there's, there's, there's a reason for it to skew better, but I always thought it was funny because some people, some people have very strong opinions about that, you know?

00:41:21:03 - 00:41:42:01
Rob
Okay, think of it this way, Chris. So everything is a fundamental for me legitimately because we started Zero in Sunday shows. This one talked to ChatGPT like an employee, right? Because a lot of people absolve ownership, ask a question, get an answer. It's a transaction. They don't like it. Oh my God, this thing doesn't work versus I'm the boss.

00:41:42:07 - 00:42:05:07
Rob
You're my assistant. So what would you do if you had someone as your assistant? Here's the goal. Here is the context. Here's what I want you to do. And then if they come back and it's not what you want. All right. Cool. Well, let's iterate and you sort of evolve from there. But when it comes to please and thank you, would you say please and thank you to an employee?

00:42:05:09 - 00:42:13:21
Rob
I would in this comes back to the mindset of this, right. It's not because the robots are going to take over. We don't want them to take over for us.

00:42:13:23 - 00:42:21:19
Chris
Well, I am saying please and thank you because I do, you know, think they may be our overlords one day. So I'm just I'm just getting in early.

00:42:21:21 - 00:42:26:04
Rob
Right. An episode of The Simpsons.

00:42:26:06 - 00:42:26:23
Sandesh
You already making.

00:42:26:23 - 00:42:34:04
Chris
Friends with AI? Make it friends with AI, man. You know, it's like, yeah, they're going to come and get all those people who are mean to it in the beginning.

00:42:34:06 - 00:42:44:07
Sandesh
It is funny, though, that question is hilarious because I do that all the time. It's just so natural. Yeah.

00:42:44:09 - 00:42:54:03
Chris
Well, and we do anthropomorphize AI too, which I think is, is in some regards a bit dangerous as well. But but you know, you got to be, you know, true to yourself I suppose. True.

00:42:54:05 - 00:43:15:02
Rob
Okay, Chris, here's a little nuance for you and I think this will speak your language. There is game behind the game in terms of how you actually structure and respond back to AI. So back to the talk to ChatGPT like it's an employee, in some dish. I taught you this one. When it gives me a response I like, it's almost always the same first line.

00:43:15:04 - 00:43:38:21
Rob
Great comma speaking out loud. So I say the great to affirm that we're on the right page. Right. Because your employee is going to go one way or another. And then I say, speaking out loud because it's me letting it know I'm taking what's in my head and I'm putting it out of there. But if you do not give it any guidance on this, then work or this did work.

00:43:39:01 - 00:44:00:09
Rob
That will change the outputs. The same way where if you do not put in line breaks, there might be a slight degradation because you're not breaking up the thought patterns. And in the grand scheme of the next decade of our business in life and using AI. Chris, you said, well, there's a slight improvement as well. I'm in the name of growth.

00:44:00:09 - 00:44:11:08
Rob
So if you're telling me affirming, great, thank you or please gets me slightly better answers and you're going to do it, 10 million times, sign me up for sure.

00:44:11:08 - 00:44:48:09
Sandesh
For sure. One one of the things that you also showed me very early in our coaching was using ChatGPT to create a prompt after me understanding what it is that I'm actually trying to build. But using that prompt in Midjourney or in another AI, that was just a another mind blowing experience for me, thinking, well, I thought I have to stay within this application, but I can actually use ChatGPT to help me use other AI tools.

00:44:48:09 - 00:44:50:19
Sandesh
I thought, I thought that was really cool.

00:44:50:21 - 00:45:17:14
Rob
Okay, so what I'm about to say is going to be very important for everybody moving forward. It is going to be important that you understand the creative expression side of AI, AI, image, AI, video, website, social media, presentations, all of that various stuff. Because Sandesh, what you just said is I'm using Midjourney, I've never used Midjourney. I don't know what any of that stuff is.

00:45:17:16 - 00:45:43:07
Rob
What is that original principle that we said? If you don't know something, ask ChatGPT. So you say, hey ChatGPT context. I want to create an image for my four year old son in Midjourney of a dinosaur riding a skateboard in the soldier field. Help me do so in a way that lands for him, has vibrant colors and his world class.

00:45:43:09 - 00:46:03:03
Rob
You take that, you copy, you paste it, you put it in the image journey. Because guess what's on the horizon? Likely in 2026. More AI video. Whether using video three from Google or calling AI and you're going to go, how in the world do I do this? Hey, Chad, you see, I want to use Google's new video image video generation system.

00:46:03:03 - 00:46:28:07
Rob
Help me write prompts for a scene about a kid riding a bike, a kid on a dinosaur, and a skateboard in a soldier field, and make it sequential so that I can just copy and paste it in the video three and it's like, wait, you're telling me you can create anything in one thing and put it anywhere? Yeah, because what was one of those words we were all talking about capacity.

00:46:28:09 - 00:46:49:11
Rob
Everything is a possibility when you understand everything's a possibility. So you could say, help me with go high level, help me with Midjourney, help me with QuickBooks, help me with you. Help me with card. Help you with anything and it will know it. Therefore, who's the only limitation ourselves?

00:46:49:12 - 00:47:03:14
Sandesh
So before we get into the closing, what is the this questions for both of you? What makes you most excited about AI today?

00:47:03:16 - 00:47:04:20
Rob
Do you want to go first, Chris.

00:47:04:21 - 00:47:25:12
Chris
Sure, I'll go first. I think that the pace of growth that that I'm seeing from it and, you know, like I've been I spent a lot of time talking to, you know, a lot of people in AI, you know, building a lot of these systems and things like that. And I think some of the things that are just on the horizon are really incredible.

00:47:25:12 - 00:47:48:03
Chris
I, I do think that the biggest challenge that we face with AI, is, is our social structures, you know, the things that we built in our society around us and like the inability of those things to adapt. But I think if we can get around those challenges, I think, you know, I always keep saying we can either build a hell or heaven for ourselves with all this stuff.

00:47:48:03 - 00:48:14:11
Chris
And I think that if we do it the right way, we can take, you know, so much of the load off of ourselves to do the things that are really incredibly valuable to our, you know, like spend more time with family, do more art, create more music, you know, all those great things are, you know, that the the opportunity that we're being handed right now and, and if we just do the right thing to, to make that happen, we can have all those things.

00:48:14:13 - 00:48:36:14
Chris
We just have to get we have to get around. So there's that one, that one. Great. Notebook thing that somebody went into Google notebook and set it in, you know, all the history of all human philosophy. And one of the funny things that and they made it into a podcast and it was just, you know, these two AI's talking to each other on this podcast.

00:48:36:14 - 00:48:54:13
Chris
One of the things they say, you know, it's the humans are really funny. They they run into a wall and then they spend 100 years discussing the wall rather than going around it. And that is so true. That's so true of our problems. So we just got to go around some walls and get to the end state here, I think.

00:48:54:15 - 00:48:55:23
Sandesh
I love that, Chris.

00:48:55:23 - 00:49:23:11
Rob
Oh yes. And you there's two things for me. Number one, you said that opportunity. This is the best time in the history of the world to make your dreams come true. It just is. There has never been a better time. And, you know, I know this because when I graduated college from Miami of Ohio, I had a dream of working for an ad agency, and instead I was unemployed for a year and a half, living off my credit card, dead broke.

00:49:23:11 - 00:49:48:09
Rob
And I finally got my first job at a Fifth Third Bank call center, making $10 an hour slinging home equity loans and a cube farm with a computer with no internet access. I was Peter from Office Space, right? I was the furthest away from my dreams possible. Well guess what? If you would have told Rob then that this is the reality, you're going to step in now and you can do anything.

00:49:48:11 - 00:50:08:07
Rob
Holy smokes, Batman. And then number two, the thing that lights me up is we have the greatest opportunity to create positive impact in the world. I have a goal of helping 10 million people, and one of the things that I see with the way that I coach and lead in AI and ChatGPT is, as you said, and Chris, are we going to build a heaven?

00:50:08:07 - 00:50:27:05
Rob
Are we going to build a hell? Or an in my case, are we going to create positive impact because the right people who are using this the right way, who truly from their heart want to help other people win and do things? Man, we can create the most beautiful, amazing world ever for sure.

00:50:27:06 - 00:50:44:23
Chris
Yeah, I mean, I, I have to say that, you know, like, you know, like in my career, I, you know, necessarily had to be the guy always like, what's the next disaster around the corner that, you know, we, we have to keep our eye on? And I think that AI for me has been a very positive to me.

00:50:45:00 - 00:51:02:05
Chris
I mean, it gives me hope, which is is funny because so many people talk about it the other way. They're like, oh, I'm terrified of this. And what's it going to do? And it's going to, you know, take over our lives. Blah. I don't see it that way. I see this as a just such an incredible opportunity for us.

00:51:02:05 - 00:51:14:21
Chris
You know, just, you know, like like you were saying, Rob, I mean, like, it's just it is there's so much opportunity right here in our hands right now. And people just need to see it and take advantage of it.

00:51:14:22 - 00:51:42:00
Sandesh
There's a theme here, you know, and we started with it and and it's change. It's change is hard, you know, and in this, this situation, if you don't change you really are going to be impacted. You know, I remember when you know, like my I'm sure this happened to you guys. Your parents would call, you know, how did you know my my internet went down or you know, my, my, my cable isn't working or my phone is not working.

00:51:42:00 - 00:52:01:06
Sandesh
Right. And then we would help them through that. Yeah. Like, what I worry about is, like, I don't want to be that guy where I'm calling my kids to be like, hey, you know, how do I do this? You know, how do I make this thing work? I want to know, and I don't want to be that that person.

00:52:01:06 - 00:52:23:21
Sandesh
And that's, That's just us, right? Like the three of us. We're all about change. One of the things that we see a lot is people are just reluctant to change. And to your point, Chris, which you said to how many people have said to me, oh, man, I'm just really worried about it, the responsibility of AI or the efficacy of AI.

00:52:23:21 - 00:52:47:00
Sandesh
Absolutely. And we should be worried for sure. But that is not the reason to not change. There is this tide is way too powerful for us to slow down, get on board and be part of what Rob says. The positive part of change, you know, and actually impacting people and helping people.

00:52:47:02 - 00:52:49:06
Rob
Yeah. You know what I like to say, Sandesh?

00:52:49:08 - 00:52:50:01
Sandesh
Yeah.

00:52:50:03 - 00:53:09:16
Rob
Place your bets and let the chips fall where they may. It's great for my business if you're not about AI. Because I don't care. Because the three of us on this call, we are going to do it. But it is also why I feel a responsibility and obligation to have conversations like this. Because I truly want to help.

00:53:09:22 - 00:53:17:14
Rob
And you don't got to get down like you get down. But those of us who are getting down, like I'm getting down, we're going to be living a certain way.

00:53:17:16 - 00:53:35:14
Chris
Wow. You know, I mean, there's that adage, you know, the future's already here. It's just unevenly distributed. I mean, you're I mean, your goal of helping people with it is important because I think there is a lot of people there are a lot of people who just don't even have access to these things. Right. And it's still going to impact their world and can make their world a lot better.

00:53:35:16 - 00:53:38:20
Chris
So, you know, enabling those things is really important as well.

00:53:38:23 - 00:54:00:20
Sandesh
And then think about this right. What Rob just said and I and I know Chris, you're, a hippie yourself. Like, oh dear, we want to help people. We want to be in service to people. You know, like that is what we want to do. I think what happens is sometimes people see this AI thing and they say, what's in it for me?

00:54:00:22 - 00:54:22:02
Sandesh
You know what? How am I going to benefit from it? And if I can't benefit from it, then I don't care for it. And that's just, it's unfortunate, but I feel like that attitude of what's in it for me is, has gotten so amplified where the reason why I can tell you Rob is so successful is because he's serving.

00:54:22:04 - 00:54:46:17
Sandesh
He's just creating so people can take advantage of what he's building. And just through that osmosis now, people follow him and, you know, they're his coach and he's doing all these things for leaders within companies. And so to that point, Rob, who is your who should be reaching out to you? Who are the people that you want to be?

00:54:46:19 - 00:54:51:14
Sandesh
Reaching out to you and what can you do for them?

00:54:51:16 - 00:55:13:03
Rob
So thank you for that. So number one, if you're barely scratching the surface with ChatGPT and you know, there's so much more possible and as I like to say, I don't know what I don't know. Let's have a conversation with me. And then what I'm doing right now is Sundays. Since you and I started working together, I'm a keynote speaker on AI.

00:55:13:08 - 00:55:41:19
Rob
I'm doing team workshops and trainings. I do one on one coaching, I do group coaching. There's a lot of different levels depending on where you want to go. For me, when I'm looking at 2026, I want to get in front of more people in more stages because when I see the three of us right here, there is nothing that would light me up more than there being way more zeros on this, from 100 to 1010 thousand to millions of people.

00:55:42:01 - 00:56:03:05
Rob
Because when we have that message or when we have that support there, we can truly change the world. So for those of you who vibe with this, who say, listen, I don't need to be a tech person, but I've got a vision, I've got a possibility, and I would love to be in this orbit, and I would love to have a champion for me on my side.

00:56:03:07 - 00:56:05:06
Rob
Hit me up at Rob Grassi.

00:56:05:08 - 00:56:08:15
Sandesh
Thank you so much for joining us. Rob. I was waiting for this.

00:56:08:17 - 00:56:09:23
Chris
And is that Rob cross?

00:56:10:00 - 00:56:36:08
Rob
SI.com was. So we've got Rob Cressey. I we've got at Rob Christie on Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook everywhere. But is way I'm not hard to find. Right. You just search Rob Cressey everywhere and we have a conversation because here's the bomb to wrap on this, Chris. This is what I love about Sundays. When we met, I did not sell him by design like we became friends.

00:56:36:08 - 00:56:56:21
Rob
Literally within three minutes. It was like two kindred souls come together, we're vibing. And then at one point he's like, I think I need to work with you. It's like I actually tried not to sell because I did not want to be that guy. So I was like, man, me and this dude are getting along so great. In my mind.

00:56:56:21 - 00:57:16:03
Rob
I was like, the things I could do with this guy because how he shows up. And then he opened the door and I was like, listen, man, let's do it. And this is what I'll call a diamond client, because it was we did not know each other existed. We vibed immediately. We became friends. He's like, I'm interested. We closed on that call.

00:57:16:03 - 00:57:33:02
Rob
We started the next week. Right. So that speaks to the type of person you are in, why you're amazing. But more importantly, I just love getting down with you. I was like, Todd, we talked 15 minutes, turned into an hour and 15 minutes and we're like, I guess we have to go do our work now.

00:57:33:04 - 00:57:56:11
Sandesh
And that's what people need, man, I that excitement right when I hang up our our calls that you and I have had together and I'm learning something, I feel inspired, like I cannot wait to take that knowledge and actually ship something, create something, and I so I hope that our audience is inspired, like go out there and just go figure it out for yourself.

00:57:56:11 - 00:58:04:17
Sandesh
It's all within you. You have everything that you need. Maybe an internet access is probably the only thing.

00:58:04:19 - 00:58:08:14
Chris
That you need a computer, an internet access. But yeah.

00:58:08:16 - 00:58:30:08
Sandesh
But hey, Rob. Thanks. Thanks for helping me. Thanks for being part of the show. Thanks for being a friend. You've already introduced me to more people. I keep introducing to you to more people. And I know this is going to continue because that is part of what all three of us are doing. You know, Chris asked is for podcasts, and he's talking to all these AI leaders.

00:58:30:10 - 00:58:54:11
Sandesh
You got your thing? I got my thing. And I love it. Like to your point is, I want like minded. I love getting like minded people together that come with the right heart and intentions. Right. And it's not all about me, but it's about we. It is an incredible experience and it makes it so much more fun to learn with people than just trying to figure it all by yourself.

00:58:54:11 - 00:59:09:06
Sandesh
You know? One conversation can inspire you and change you like like it did for me, you know? So, Rob, thanks, man. Had a great time. Thanks for the conversation. And, we will have you back again, brother Munchak.

00:59:09:08 - 00:59:10:00
Rob
You're welcome.