Motorcycling Through Boundaries with Fatima Alloghani

Fatima, an Emirati motorcycle adventurer diagnosed with ADHD at 45, shares her journey of breaking boundaries and discovering her authentic self through radical decisions and solo adventures.

• Diagnosed with ADHD at 45 after recognising similar traits in her daughter
• Misdiagnosed with depression for eight years before discovering her true neurological condition
• Completed a solo 2,500 km motorcycle journey from Dubai to Iraq
• Grew up as one of 19 siblings, always looking for ways to stand out and be noticed
• Believes in calculated risks and not waiting for others' permission to pursue dreams
• Advocates for tolerance as a pathway to authentic living
• Struggles but perseveres with parenting her own ADHD daughter
• Challenges stereotypes about women in the Middle East through her adventures
• Balances pushing boundaries with respecting cultural frameworks
• Lives by the philosophy: "I do it for me, because when I know and understand me, I can do many things for everybody around me"

Transcript

Meeting Fatima: Motorcycle Adventurer

Speaker 1 0:00

Talking about being different also starts from a philosophy saying if I have not gone through this adventure, I will never know, and one of the most audacious decisions I have ever made across my entire life is Meet Fatima motorcycle adventurer, stereotype shatteratterer and living proof that courage can rewrite your story.

Speaker 2 0:29

She's not just different, she's unstoppable. Oh, and you might realize that Lorna is not on today's episode. Today was the day that she decided to try the metro for the first time, and let's just say it didn't work out. But but it's okay, lorna, we've all been there, okay. So welcome back to another episode of Fast Brain Women. We are here today with the lovely Fatima. I am absolutely honoured that you joined us today because, like you mentioned, this was a very random LinkedIn post where you were telling us about your year wrapped up last year and about your journey with discovering ADHD, which Lorna picked up. So I think sometimes the universe does bring people together, but I want to get to know you because we've never met each other before, apart from this lovely conversation that we've just had outside. Can you tell me a little bit about how you found out you had ADHD?

Speaker 1 1:25

Sure, but before that, may I compliment you for having the courage to start such a podcast. So I just wanted to say thank you, and I'm supporting this initiative and I'm very, very privileged to be part of it. So to start about the ADHD, I found out that I have ADHD only at 45. And the whole story started with me struggling with my 13-year-old and since she was born I have realized that she's a bit different. She's troubled. She's such a lovely girl, she's cute, she has a lot of beautiful attributes, she's very charming.

Speaker 1 2:04

However, slowly, slowly, when she grew older, she started showing symptoms and these symptoms created a lot of friction between myself and her and her older sister. If I hadn't had an older daughter as well, that I would have not noticed that there is something wrong with my little one daughter as well, that I would have not noticed that there is something wrong with my little one. So, with years of trying to convince her father to help me to take her to a psychiatrist, psychologist to just figure out what's what's wrong with her because she's she's. For me. She was not a normal child, but still she reminded me a lot of myself when I was a kid, so I knew there was something in the genes. But I really felt helpless and I wanted to help her. And with that emotional friction or going up and down, I really wanted to get her checked. And after so many attempts of convincing her father about taking her to the doctor, I got a tip from a colleague of mine at work. She really recommended me to go and see a specialist. I took Savannah to the specialist and we'd run a few tests. It took few days and a few people to sit with her and the came as in.

Speaker 1 3:12

She has a combination with the attention deficit and attention deficit and hyperactive disorder and you know they can be a one of each or a combination, and it was very new to me and I when I started really learning about it through the assessment center and so so we sat with the, her dad, with the doctor at the end, to learn more about our daughter's condition. Our daughter was in the room sometimes and sometimes she was asked to leave and we had a material conversation with the doctor and she suggested that we should start a treatment. Apparently we should start a treatment. Parallelly we should also have her checked with a specialized child psychiatrist to help her to restructure her thoughts and to be more organized.

Late-Diagnosed ADHD at 45

Speaker 1 3:56

While Savannah was in Denmark with her father, the same doctor really asked me to check myself too, okay, and I asked her where did this ADHD come from, actually? And I told her I reflect a lot of myself on my childhood. I was like her, and then apparently it could be genetic or it could be anything else, and I went through the test myself because under her suggestion. And then she said actually, you are an ADHD with the combination of both, and that was the reality. That hit me. What I found? That at 45, I now understand my condition and everything I went through. Uh, my life just made sense and did it?

Speaker 2 4:36

how did it feel like what? What was some of the like your your initial response to kind of finding out that information?

Speaker 1 4:44

It was an aha moment and I said, oh my God, if I was told about my condition and I learned better about it. Not only me, but only my poor mom I put her through struggle my dad, my siblings. I could not connect to this world. I felt alone. I was always misunderstood, I forgot things innocently and I was beaten for it. So there were multiple things that made sense at the end and I said like, oh my God, like I found me. You understand what I say. I found me, I found myself. However, the struggle with I found me helped me understand. When I say I found me, I found myself. However, the struggle with I found me helped me understanding my daughter better. But I am. I cannot tell you that I am proudly successful in dealing with my younger daughter and her ADHD and I must admit it's extremely difficult to be one dealing with another one. One, yeah.

Speaker 2 5:43

I hear you. I hear you, lone Brow. You asked me actually where the name Fast Brain Women came from, and that's how I, my son, was seven when he was diagnosed and he couldn't really understand this ADHD term and you know the bigger words in between it. So we say that he has a fast brain and that's how we've explained it to him. And if we don't call it a fast brain, we call it b b b b, which stands for bugatti brain, bicycle brakes.

Speaker 2 6:12

He loves, loves, fast cars and just helping to understand like his brain is going to go 150, 200 kilometers an hour. But if he wants to stop it, it's not, it's not gonna work. So I think sometimes when you are a mother that's also has a fast brain and trying to, to, to keep and keep in control, keep on top of, keep nurturing, keep disciplining, like all of that stuff of mothering a child that also has a fast brain, oh, it's not for the faint-hearted. No, you have honestly all my grace because it is and it can be quite tricky. I find you mentioned about that trying to get your husband to understand what was it that brought him on board.

Speaker 1 6:58

I really honestly think he gave up because I kept nagging and nagging and nagging. We're not together now, but I booked an appointment. I told him about the appointment and he showed up. So that was really great to see that he was there. Maybe under pressure, okay well that's fine, whatever works.

Speaker 2 7:14

At this point I guess I'm just literally chipping away, because awareness kind of happens in different ways and everyone learns very differently, I suppose. So, however works to get people on board. I know that is something that a lot of mothers struggle with, um individuals that kind of have partners or it could be family, you know, getting the grandparents on board. My um husband's family, so his parents, are all from a medical background. So you would kind of think it's in some points that they would truly understand this condition that you're diagnosed. It's in medical journals. However, sometimes we, even from them, we experience this kind of doubt. You know, oh, he's just a boy, he's just strong-willed. You know, all, all children are like this, you are like this, but they don't see the behind the scenes those terrible times, the meltdowns, the cries for help, the anxiety.

Parenting with a Fast Brain

Speaker 1 8:13

But what I wanted to but I think it's fair to state since I made this statement about Savannah's dad is that in his defense, I think he struggles with accepting the idea that there's something wrong with his daughter. So a long time ago, nobody heard about any condition called ADHD or ADD and we grew the children or people just grew out of it for a reason or another. We all condition ourselves and, if you will give me the space to express it and explain it when I reflect back on my condition, I struggled a lot, so I tried as much as I could to structure myself, to feel safer and try as much as I could to mature in my condition of like, for example, overexcited, being overexcited over speaking because you're full of anxiety at that time. And I think one of the things that really helped me to be grounded is my prayers. You know, as Muslims we pray five times and I started gladly praying since I was seven. I'm not 100% in control of my emotions.

Speaker 1 9:19

I was also told that I was bipolar, because at some moments I would be overexcited and at some moment I would just hit the ground, being depressed and sad. What worth really mentioning is in 2008, when I got my first daughter, I was diagnosed with depression or post-natal depression, and I started getting medication for eight years afterwards and when I started speaking with the with the psychologist that or the psychiatrist that I was seeing she asked me uh, did you take any other medication? I said yes, I was taking a depression medication for nearly eight years and she said how did you feel about it? I said horrible, and this is one of the reasons why I stopped that medication eight years ago. And then she said actually, the depression pills, they do not work with ADHD and this is one of the reasons why for eight years I was really severely depressed, struggling through life, and I reached a point where I really wanted to end it. I wanted to end it for myself and that's one of the core reasons why I stopped my depression medication.

Speaker 2 10:24

But I'm very glad eight years after I realized actually it was not depression and it's an ADHD that could be treated and sorted yeah, I think a lot, of, a lot of women that have been on the podcast that will come on the podcast will talk about this misdiagnosis of depression. Again, I can completely relate because there is a time, especially when you have lived with an ADHD brain in a neurotypical world, gathering all this negative self-talk I'm messy, I'm, I talk too much, I, you know, I'm too. I'm not enough. It is, it is depressing, it's sadness, but it's not depression. You know those two things. You can be sad and depressed, but not suffering with a clinical depression. And I think it's very difficult, especially in those moments, to to really articulate and you're not a psychiatrist or a psychologist to really help somebody understand like I'm just exhausted, I'm overwhelmed, I can't put my finger on it.

Speaker 1 11:22

I must really admit that there is a key word that you just mentioned right now and it tells the whole story for me is when I feel like I'm not good enough and you try as much as you could to prove to everybody around you that you are worth it. And therefore, if you would ask about my extreme action when it comes to say that I'm worth it, two weeks ago I took a motorcycle from, I drove a motorcycle from Dubai all the way to Iraq alone, although everybody else told me not to do it, but it was a journey for self-discovery.

Speaker 1 12:00

I really wanted to find myself and I insisted to drive solo and not to have anybody with me, because you spend a lot of, tremendous amount of time between yourself and yourself on the motorcycle on the go. So it's 2,500 kilometers. It took me eight days and with that I met a lot of coincidentally with bikers and some clubs and I was invited. But I must really tell you how stressful it was for me to to sit with the social setup of amazing bikers. But I really couldn't wait until I get back on the bike and and and spin off alone.

Speaker 2 12:37

you can have that moment. How did, how did that even come into existence? Where did you get this idea from?

Speaker 1 12:45

uh, you see a lot of nowadays. You see a lot of women wandering around traveling on cycles, on foot, and there are a few who are highly rated and looked after women, european women, mainly traveling around the world, youtubers, and they show the world their adventure and where they really go. And maybe somehow, deep inside, I really refute the idea that this region is unsafe for women, really refute the idea that this region is unsafe for women, and I also refute the idea that when I travel around the world and I talk to people, they always speak negatively about the UAE and the women here, anticipating that we are covered, we have no choice and we are forced into marriages and we are and we are and we are. And I thought, maybe inside I really wanted to test it and see how safe this is for women like myself traveling, but I must admit that traveling alone and being a woman maybe was not a great or they did not welcome the idea. It was surprising for a lot of Arab men, especially at the borders, but I must tell you, none of them made the slightest annoying comment about it. And especially when I entered Iraq, I believe what served me the best is not only being a woman but also wearing the flag of the UAE.

The Struggle with Being Different

Speaker 1 13:56

So when I you know, in Iraq, iraq is not, it's highly secured. They have militia, they have ISIS and they have so they have a lot of checkpoints. So every 50 kilometers you have a checkpoint with Kalashnikov and guys standing. And the minute I tried to cross, my plate number is Dubai, of course, but the minute I tried to cross, they think I'm a boy. So they start shouting as in like stop, take it off, move here, go there.

Speaker 1 14:24

And the minute they say remove the helmet like all shouting and the minute I remove the helmet, they see the shela, they see a girl face and they say, oh, you're a girl. And I say yes, and they say, oh, where are you from, like when? And I say I point to the passport and I say uae. And then I go down and after all this stress and anxiety, I get back on the bike and then the guy, the same guy with the clashing cough, says do you need anything? Is there anything I can help you with? You know safe travel. But imagine the welcome and imagine the goodbye. And what really made it all is maybe not only being a woman traveling alone, but also the, the strong reputation of the united arab emirates across the region yeah, very much.

Speaker 2 15:02

So. That is just. It's blowing my mind and I always just find it so fascinating that most women with adhd have some kind of dream aspiration. Like you know, like I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna figure this out. I don't need a rule book, I'm just gonna and you did that. That is absolutely incredible and extremely inspiring. I'm already in my 360 thinking like what could I do?

Speaker 1 15:26

what could I, you could, you could do this. This is audacious.

Speaker 2 15:31

Audacious. That is such a good word there was. You know, I think, as, like a parent and again when I speak to my son about you, know you can be anything you want to be, you can do anything. Just be audacious, be outrageous, be everything and authentic, and sometimes's that can be quite difficult. Right to have the courage. You talked about courage at the beginning. Where did you get your courage from?

Speaker 1 15:56

um, if I, if I look back, maybe somebody else can help me understand what happened with me actually. But when I looked back, I've realized growing, uh, growing up in a small town like kelba, which is nearly 30,000 people live there, if not less, and among 19 siblings. So, yes, my father, we grew up in one house. There were multiple wives and there were many children. We didn't have to go out off the fence to play with anyone.

Speaker 1 16:22

We could play football inside our own house. It was very difficult for me to be noticed, and that's why I was troublemaker. To be noticed and seeking attention did not make it really easy for me, so I think that's one of the reasons why I was very competitive. There were plenty of boys, plenty of girls in the house and I wanted to be different. So I think it's really started from there is how can I differentiate myself among my siblings and how can I differentiate myself among my siblings and how can I be superstar and so special?

Speaker 2 16:55

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Solo Journey: Dubai to Iraq

Speaker 2 17:23

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Speaker 1 18:19

Are you okay with being different? It took many years to accept the fact that I'm being different. It also took many years for my family and my friends, for my children, to acknowledge that I was different. Talking about all the crazy adventures that I've done, my kids were there to support me, actually beyond anybody else, and I was quite impressed how my girls told me Mommy, just do it. Just do it. If this is what you really want, just do it. The entire world said no to me. But talking about being different also starts from a philosophy saying if I have not gone through this adventure, I will never know. And one of the most audacious decision I have ever made across my entire life is to choose my husband at that time because I used to work three hours away from home for the first time, living alone in Abu Dhabi.

Speaker 1 19:19

After my graduation, I met this amazing two meters tall white Viking, blonde, blue eyes and the although I knew like I cannot dream of being married to such a thing, you know, because we are a bit traditional what really struck me with him?

Speaker 1 19:41

That he portrayed? That I am a self-standing person, I make my own decisions and I don't need anybody's permission to go out or do anything, and I believe Scandinavian culture bring a lot of that in how powerful, how Scandinavian women are powerful, you know, in terms of equal rights and decisions. So I think I fell in love with the Danish culture, or Scandinavian culture, more than anything else. So it was a long convincing story, with 40 years struggling with the yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, and I made the decision of marrying him, moving with him to Norway and Denmark and living there, and we got our first daughter there. So when I made that decision although of multiple trial, trial, of convincing my family I was left alone and it took a toll on me for two years and imagine being pregnant, giving birth in a cold country. I don't understand the language and I don't know the people. So it was really, really a struggle for a year and a half. But I was really blessed to be married to someone like him at that time because he showed me the world and I keep telling everybody that I met, although we're not together today and although he could not understand the ADHD and everything I went through and could that maybe support me, because he did not really know what was wrong with me, but still he was the I I give a lot of credit to my, my ex-husband, of what I have became today and the courage and the the world of possibilities I built for myself, because he really was the first one who told me you can do anything you want and you can be anything you want to be it's like a two meter distraction

Speaker 2 21:14

you're like oh, what's this over here?

Speaker 1 21:16

I'm gonna go and see.

Speaker 2 21:19

So you talked about being, you know, in Scandinavia alone, like, and you did this trip alone. Are you okay alone, like, do you find, is that something that's therapeutic for you?

Finding Strength in Solitude

Speaker 1 21:33

oh wow. I, like I said, I come from a big family with a lot of social setup, but I must say recently I, or in the past few years, I really started enjoying my solitude. And, reflecting back, I think there were a lot of noise Since the day I was born. There were noise, noise, noise, noise, noise, and it's only throughout the pandemic you come to understand how does it feel listening to yourself without noise and slowly, slowly, I started integrating this solitude. Yeah, what did that?

Speaker 2 22:08

entail, because I know that, you know, I think only from, like, my past experience and actually now, on a tangent, I understand when I was telling you about my family setup. So I'm an only child, my parents are both only children, I have no siblings, my parents have no siblings, there's no aunties, there's no cousins, there's nobody. But I think think when growing up, I did have moments of feeling alone. So I definitely, um, I maybe I don't like being alone, but I also find it quite overwhelming with such a busy, fast brain to be alone. I went to uh Dharamshala, to the very north of India, for like 10 days on a silent retreat to, to you know, to discover this is this whole meditation, and it was hell. It was the most amazing experience and game-changing for my life, but in that present moment would not recommend one star like it was just it was.

Speaker 2 23:06

I felt like I was being tortured. You know, I couldn't. I was sat in a cold floor. We were meditating, meditating, meditating. The whole time. I'm like is this gonna end? Is this gonna end? Can I go home now it's the journey.

Speaker 1 23:18

I think I felt exactly the same when I took the trip to Iraq and there were some moments on the bike where it was too cold, too windy and I would tell myself why do I do this? Maybe it's time to get back. Maybe they are right and you have a lot of voices behind you, but it's actually the journey, because now, enduring all that and coming back, I look back and I say it's absolutely the journey that you put yourself through. If you would ask me today if I'll take Dubai to Erbil again eight days, 2,500, maybe not.

Speaker 1 23:53

Done it once, but I have done it once and I can tell you I felt different. I felt I am different and more powerful. Good, yes, I have challenged myself.

Speaker 2 24:07

Yeah, and that is maybe why we do it. You know, again, it's like a phrase why do I do this to myself? But actually the answer is for the journey, for the experience, for the power to to kind of unlock these things, and sometimes it doesn't have to make sense yeah, just gotta roll with it.

Speaker 1 24:23

But the big question, the biggest question ever, is if you have not gone there, how would you ever know how does it feel? Yeah, and that would get me okay being different and taking all these radical decisions, provided, of course, that I don't hurt anyone.

Speaker 2 24:37

Yeah keep safe as much as you can. I do find a lot of women, um, you know, I feel quite sad for them, like sympathy, I don't know, I just that have accumulated all this fear through their life. So again, um, you know, through their family being different, you know again that the kind of negative self-talk why am I this, why am I that? That they unfortunately become trapped within that. And having, you know, having the adhd brain on top, like almost like keeping a lid on it, what was, was it for you? Or you know, why were you able to take the lid off and go and explore? And you know, just have these crazy thoughts and allow them to happen. I think it's the allowing it to kind of flow.

Breaking Boundaries with Authenticity

Speaker 1 25:33

I don't know what's the answer for that question, but I must tell you that I was different since I was a child and I always wanted to do things differently, and I think that attention deficit part played for my favor. It was not an easy life. I was not accepted all the time. I was not favored all the time. I was criticized badly from so many different directions, including the way I cut my hair. I told you that I shave half of my hair and I leave the rest, and now I color it a little bit differently, I stand different and I speak different.

Speaker 1 26:04

So I honestly think women have to have the motivation and calculated risk when they make decisions. It's very important to have alliance and partners. It's also very important to consult. Having said that, you have to stand your ground of what you really want for yourself. I really honestly think one of the things that really limited or limits people apart, being women or not, is for you to wait for someone to open the door, for you to wait for someone to support you, for you to wait for someone to permit you. If you wait, you will wait forever. Why do you put your dream in someone else's hand? You just want it, study it, consult, make a decision and just go, and I think this is one of the drives that really made me do what I did today. But also it comes with consequences. I cannot sit in a corner and cry because I did something radical and people didn't like it. I have to bear the consequences and be responsible enough for my decisions.

Speaker 1 27:21

Having said that, one of the biggest things ever I think everybody should really take over is start with being tolerant within.

Speaker 1 27:32

So the more you tolerate people, the more you tolerate people, the more you understand people. You learn, you teach them to learn that culture about you, so they start learning that they have to also tolerate who you are and what you are. I one time I was invited to a cafe with my sisters I have four closer sisters to me and we met in dubai and I wanted to show off and I just got my driving license and I came with my harley davidson at that time and when I parked the the motorcycle, everybody was looking in that open space and I got down and I went all the way to sit with them, you know, to have the coffee and I can. Really, I remember what my one of my sisters said why you are so different, why you choose such a different, difficult life like we are. We grew up from the same house. Why you are so different? Because that motorcycle culture that suddenly came surprisingly to them and she innocently spoke her mind, you know, like anybody else yeah, that happens.

Speaker 2 28:28

I think a lot of people do. That's where they default to. I find, with my son even sometimes, like what's wrong with you, don't rewind, like trying to eat my words, like there are just some things that you you kind of express and and get away with, and maybe those are some. The like, the tolerance that you talked about. I find in like my advocacy and I'm, I'm sure, in yours too, because you you know, you're vocal about your, your difference and and what the this stands, that it's kind of part of our job and our role to help people be curious and help people to understand this, this difference, and what it, what it means, because it's not a bad thing. You know, what has it allowed us to be able to do and achieve greatness? I'd like it's, it's limitless. As far as I'm concerned, the only limit is what we put on ourselves.

Speaker 1 29:22

I'm very glad to say that today my children are taught how to tolerate culture, religion, even sexual orientation. We don't have to necessarily accept everything imposed by the world, but we have to learn to be human and to be accepting and tolerate. For the world to tolerate who we are and that's the way I try as much as I could to change the world is through bringing my daughters to a world more tolerant and more accepting and more courageous well, thank you thank you for the for the job you're doing, the future generations.

Speaker 2 29:54

I, I believe women like us were kind of put on this planet to kind of break some of those curses the generations sort of passed down and I think it's very evident that, through so many women now being diagnosed with ADHD, that this is a difference, it's not a a disorder, it's. It's just a different brain having a different experience it's a condition.

Speaker 1 30:17

Some people get mistakenly saying you're sick or you're mentally like. My daughter comes sometimes and she says I am an adhd. So she thinks she should get away with everything and she uses adhd as in the reason behind all the mistakes that if she could really really do. But it's not an excuse. Actually it's a. It's not a mental disease, it's a. It's a condition and it could be like science now said. It could be treated medically and with the, with the help of course, with the specialized people.

Speaker 1 30:44

But I could really admit that maybe I'm not very successful. Today I sit very confident in front of you telling you I did and I chose and. But I must really also tell you that I still struggle in a journey of finding myself and a journey of trying to be a good mom and a good citizen and a good human in in this, in this world. And it will never be ending journey and I will continue making mistakes and radical decisions until the day I die. I cannot promise that I. I found my way because I'm still trying to find myself. Yeah, that's really poetic.

Speaker 2 31:16

I absolutely love that and I'm still trying to find myself. Yeah, that's really poetic. I absolutely love that and I think there's something in that in accepting the good and the bad, you know, leaving the perfectionism at the door, but we get to define what our success looks like For me. And, kind of meeting you for the first time, I just love how authentic you are, from the minute we met and throughout all of this conversation, and whether that is because of your difference, your brain difference or just your you know your experience on this planet, I think that is just. If we could all be more tolerant and authentic, what a world we would live in.

Speaker 1 31:56

I agree, but we have to be very careful and cautious about the boundaries we need to keep. There are boundaries we can push and there are boundaries we need to keep. And the reason being is, I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but when I travelled from Dubai all the way to Iraq, I kept the shayla because I was wearing the flag, so I was presenting the Emirati women in my trip. Nobody paid me to do this trip and I was not on a mission to present anyone, it was just for myself. But that sense of responsibility of showing the GCC and outside the GCC, how does Emirati women, powerful one, look like? And this is when I say it's nice to push boundaries, but there are boundaries we need to respect. Yeah, so I'm not saying that women and have adhd go crazy and do whatever you want. You have responsibilities towards your country, your culture and your family yeah, yeah, it's, you know it is.

Tolerance and Courage

Speaker 2 32:50

It just fascinates me the, the um, the potential that lies within all of us, all human beings, right, but I don't know, maybe I'm just very passionate about the ones with fast brains, just a little bit more potential. Um, we always ask our guests like what is the one thing you talked about? Kind of still struggling, but what is the one thing that keeps you moving forward? Is it a hack or a strategy, or is it a mindset? What is the one thing that keeps you moving forward? Is it a hack or a strategy, or is it a mindset? What is that one thing that keeps you going?

Speaker 1 33:22

Oh, that's a very big question. Some people say you have to stand as a good example for your daughters. You should do things for your. I don't know someone and I keep saying I do it for me, Because when I do it for me and I know me and I understand me, I can do many things for everybody around me I love that.

Speaker 2 33:43

I think that's great. We've come to the end of our time today I literally could sit here and chat to you for hours. Um, thank you so much. No, thank you, it means a lot. I just have the best job on the planet that I get to sit and talk about my favorite topic and meet some of my new favorite people. So thank you from the bottom of my heart the pleasure was mine, and all the best thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 34:05

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