The Ex Appeal Podcast
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The Ex Appeal Podcast
"Faking Having Sex" – Hooking Up and Falling in Love for the Camera
Host Miriam Katz and Andy co-starred in a movie together. Their characters kissed, a LOT, and had two epic sex scenes. They also fell for each other. In this ep, Miriam and Andy talk blurring emotional lines for the sake of cinema, as well as HOT pretend sex. A theatrical one.
Audio engineering by Jeremy Emery and Lamps Lampanella
Theme song melody and vocals by Miriam Katz; instrumentals by Jon Steinmeier
Logo designed by Anna Nguyen and Kathryn Davis
Photo by Dana Patrick
Hello, my loves. Welcome home, where home is my love life. This is the X Appeal podcast. I'm your host, Miriam Katz. Today we have a story that very few people can say they've experienced. I co-starred in a movie with my guest years ago. And in the film, we fell for each other. And we express those big feelings physically a lot in many ways. So you're gonna hear do people talk about what it is like to have fake sex? Which for me personally was very hot. What a life experience. Enjoy. You like drugs, you like God.
SPEAKER_02:You like drugs, you like God. You like drugs, and you like God.
SPEAKER_00:Hello.
SPEAKER_03:Would you like to wait a second or should we enter into society?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we can just jump.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, good. Uh so you're having an okay day.
SPEAKER_00:It's fine.
SPEAKER_03:Good. When do you go down there?
SPEAKER_00:Uh sometime at the end of like probably Thursday or Friday, if I can get away.
unknown:Cool. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, so I'd just love to go through the beats. Yeah. Like a meeting, and then just there isn't that much, which it kind of makes it easy because we can just talk about everything.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:So we met when you auditioned me.
SPEAKER_00:That's right.
SPEAKER_03:And I can't remember if this was true of because we had two rounds of auditions. Yeah. I certainly remember the second round just being like, okay, so we're on a date. And then we did it again and had a second date. I think the first round probably was something similar, or we improvised a scene. Do you remember anything?
SPEAKER_00:God, I can I don't remember what the sides that I sent out were.
SPEAKER_03:I don't even there I think there was a script. I think I and then we ended up improvising.
SPEAKER_00:Aaron Powell Well, yeah, I think I wrote a a scene specifically for the auditions that was basically the first date scene, like these two people meeting, and then I don't remember. And then I I think I just had that scene to work with, and then did some improv stuff, certainly for later or for stuff that would happen later in the story. But yeah, I mean, I can kind of picture where I can picture the auditions here in LA. Remember, I think I used some spot initially where they would let you use it for free if you auditioned a certain amount of their people, or maybe or maybe it was maybe I paid for this place. I can't I can't remember.
SPEAKER_03:They're not very expensive, those rooms. I actually don't even know if those rooms exist post-COVID, but yeah, because I've auditioned people at like Cast or one of the other places. I think we weren't there. But um yeah, but I do remember that I thought it was just a regular old movie with a script. Yeah. Because initially there was a script. And then by the Okay, but wait, was there because you did call me back? I know this is unlikely, but is there anything you remember from the first audition?
SPEAKER_00:Not really.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, not really. I mean, I don't think I don't know. I I can't pick out any specifics from the callback either, except that it was like, oh yeah, well, this this woman is is the one. Like there were I mean, I can't even think in my head of other actresses I was considering for that role. You know, I mean, I'm sure there were certainly women I called back, but nobody that I can even think of.
SPEAKER_03:So I do remember, yeah, in that second round of auditions that, yeah, we just improvised going on a date. Which is like what a date is, you know, a date. It's just like sitting there and talking. It's just you and I being like, so what's up? And like we just had a conversation, and then you're like, let's do it again. I was like, cool, it's a second date, you know. Yeah. It was just us hanging out. And then you gave me the part, and then it was a while before we filmed, and I wasn't even really sure it was gonna happen. And then it did. Do you want to say anything?
SPEAKER_00:No, I mean, I don't remember the timeline that well because it was a project that took there was a lot of like separate shoot. There was a the main shoot that you were involved in, then there was a bunch of other elements to it that that went on for a couple of years. So it was it's um it was that kind of indie kind of film project that wasn't just oh go go shoot something in a in a month or so, and and then that's it. You know. Yeah. Yes. But yeah, the timing, I f I'm trying to think back on it, you know. I know it was Was it 2018 when we shot? I wanted to say it was 2019, but I'm not positive.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not positive.
SPEAKER_03:Which is all fine. Yeah. Um and then I remember you picked me up to go shoot. I'm gonna not give any details, elsewhere. Yeah. Right. So um, and so we had a car ride together. And I feel like already in the car ride, it was almost like we were entering into what we were about to do.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean, I even set up I set up some GoPros about that. Because I had I, yeah, I just I I can't remember. I didn't in none of it made it into the movie or anything, but I think it was partly to get us just comfortable with because the way we shot it, you know, there was multiple kind of cameras just set up all the time. And so I I wasn't, I didn't think there would be a place for it, but I thought, well, may as well. And so I set up some, you know, suction, some GoPros to like the passenger side windows and other spots. And and of course we had my dog Friday. And um I yeah, but I can't remember what the sort of improv scenes I suggested for the drive down.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know that it was because I the way that the film was, it would have been possible to do something of like the making of the movie within the movie. Oh, yeah. Maybe that was so I think it was just you and I. And I don't think it was supposed to be us in character because it wouldn't even make sense for us to be in car.
SPEAKER_00:No, I I think that's right because initially the movie was was going to be kind of a half documentary, half sort of this fiction improv style. And it probably leaned a little more into the fiction elements all told. But yeah, that's right. I was still shooting a lot of like real documentary stuff during that year. You know, some elements stuck around the movie, some yeah, totally went away. So yeah, I'd kind of forgotten about that. You're because yeah, you're absolutely right. Because I even considered using some. I was like, Yeah, I wonder if I'll end up using some audition footage.
SPEAKER_03:I never did, but right. I think I signed something that said you could. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Because it was all sort of a meditation on dating and your dating life. So it was some of it was recreations of dates you'd gone on. And then, of course, if you're filming someone you don't know that well, that is kind of like dating. Oh, yeah. I mean, and certainly that audition was, but you know. So I think we were getting into the zone of what we were about to do. There was not a script, there was like an outline, but we were like to be romantic.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So I do like, I think we were like flirting. I think we were just like entering into this thing on the ride up. That was my feeling. And then uh we got to say this really nice house, which is really fun, like away from LA. I think that was a huge part of it. That in this process, we both were separate from our daily lives. We were not like seeing friends. We were not, you know, we're we weren't, it was a world apart. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It's you're not going home after shooting stuff. Yeah, it wasn't that, you know, and usually movie sh shoots that do have that create their own little you know, bubble into itself, or people describe it as going as like going to camp, you know, and then you break and everyone you might may never see these people again, but you have these like sort of intimate work relationships because you're spending so much time or the creative energy along with it. Or or or it's just you know, part vacation you get a break from from life. Like I've because I've had that on other film shoots. Certainly not the same because I I wasn't in the movie, I wasn't in the scenes in these other film shoots, but but but other film shoots I've either worked on or been directing, those are like, yeah, very, you know, it's very easy to recall kind of being it in those places.
SPEAKER_03:And it's definitely different when you are in it, because it's not just like the other world of working hard on a thing. Like I it wasn't even, I wouldn't even call it work exactly. It was like, let's imagine an alternate reality together here. And I don't know how you are as a performer, otherwise. I think because it was your project, you were very willing to go in. Maybe that's how you are. You don't really act that much, but maybe that's just how you are. Who knows? For me, that's very much how I am as an actor. I'm like, all right, what's this life that I'm in for a second? Even when I'm doing voiceover and I'm a worm, it's like, all right, dig it in the dirt now. Um yes. So we got there and chilled for a bit, and then we had a date at a bar. So it was like shot at a bar rogue.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I had a friend who uh was working at the bar.
SPEAKER_03:Oh his wife. Oh, right.
SPEAKER_00:And and he played a little role. So she essentially was working there when we were there and said and got the okay to like, oh yeah, you they they can come shoot here. God, leaving LA. Yeah. Everyone's like, Neat oh, you're doing a project. Yeah. And so it had, I yeah, there was part of the scene. I mean, I can picture the scene well because it's a big scene in the movie. And so it's, you know, a lot of what we shot is there, even though it was kind of improv. But yeah, we did some like actual sort of documentary kind of stuff inside the bar where it was loud. And then, you know, we went to one of these outdoor tables where we didn't have to fight all the noise. And but it was still this actual bar. It was on this, you know, on like outside on the street.
SPEAKER_03:And yeah, in watching it, I'm like, oh yeah, that's how I talk. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know, a little bit.
SPEAKER_03:It wasn't, you know, because we didn't have lines. You did there were some beats. I did talk about a fake job I had, but like barely. And then yeah, like the way I was saying stuff is the way I say stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I know. I mean, I can picture elements. I mean, I see myself, yeah, when I've watched it back, especially in the time, I mean, who knows? Because how it affected me or how much went into it. But I absolutely go on dates now and I'll say some of the same things. That's funny. And and you know, I don't, and I probably was saying the same things before, but I'll be like, oh yeah, you know, and and I even, you know, I even had an experience with a woman I was I was dating that was a little similar, like going on after this house thing, and I was like, God, I I feel like I can't ever show this woman this movie because I got kind of feel like I'm like recreating the scenes from this. So anyway, so no, I I never showed her, showed her the movie. Oh my God.
SPEAKER_03:I will I want to keep going in chronic large order, but I will jump ahead to one thing, which is that I showed the movie to somebody I was dating. Yeah. And he was like, that's what you do when you look like you're in love. So it was an even higher level. It wasn't just like the first date level. He was like, it was a little scary. I mean, he he was like, you know, was an unusual person. So it's like not, it's a it's a particular person who was interested in seeing that, but it's like, that's so funny that we do a thing. And I think we all know it, but it is true, like watching yourself do it on film, it like hardens it a little. You're like, oh, I definitely do that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Well, and especially, I mean, I certainly was mostly playing myself, and it sounds like you were in a similar vein. But I mean, that's partly from my comfort zone and in what the movie was, too.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And I don't think, I think there were certain things I did and said that maybe I wouldn't in real life. I don't know. Like maybe just a little harsher, a little, I don't know, like a little less nuanced. Yeah. But a lot of it, yeah, like the role did not call for me to be different. It was just like, oh, you are a woman. So I'm like, well, I'm gonna pick this woman I already am. Um yes. And also, like, yeah, I am like kind of playful and want to have a good time. So we just did that. Um, okay. So we had this hang. There was a funny thing where I had to like break off a date. I remember that was fun.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, yeah, that was the that was Dan. That was the guy who my my friend who set us up with the uh the bar. So he also played this role.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. And I really remember during that moment how real it felt because I had to break off a date with him that I'd scheduled too close to yours in this movie to go hang out with you. And I could feel like some redness in my face, just because it was so real. It was like not a set. It was not, and it was like here's a person in front of me who, because of the lines he was saying, indicated that he wanted to hang out with me. And I was like, I'm so sorry. I just made up a thing about you being a family friend or just something, you know, whatever. But I felt bad for Dan, which is great. And then went back, and then I was like, all right, let's go back to your house.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, I I even just picturing the movie, I mean, that scene in my mind and what people like walking by, and people probably thought we were shooting a reality show, you know, in retrospect.
SPEAKER_03:But I also don't even know that everyone could necessarily see the camera. Like, wasn't the camera a bit far off? I can't I don't remember experiencing the camera.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I yeah, when you went and talked to the guy, it was further off. But it was, I mean the camera was right there. Okay. But yeah, very minimal.
SPEAKER_03:Maybe also because it was outside. It's like easier to forget a camera because it's like, well, someone's there. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And then we went back to your place and I think took a little walk. And then I do remember in the movie you giving me a tour of the house and us like having fun and flirting and running around. And then it was like in the script that we kissed then, and then we just kissed.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, that was like the f you know, first kiss was just, yeah, on camera. Okay, I guess you guess going for it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and it's not like we were I've also never I can't really imagine fake kissing. Like I know on TV they fake kiss, but it always looks crazy to me. I'm like, that's not kissing. It's not kissing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And it was like, well, what? You know, I mean, it would have been completely absurd to like fake much, but it was like, all right, well, it's just a funny thing to be like, okay, this is a fiction, but like a kiss is a kiss.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It is real.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I know. I mean, I you know, I'm just thinking about all these actors who have done it a hundred times, then yeah, maybe it becomes rote in that respect. But yeah, it certainly doesn't feel so far from you know the real world. I mean, I guess you know, on a huge set with a lot of people and stuff, and like you kiss and then somebody immediately comes and touches up your makeup and something, it's gonna be different than than a small project.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, a small project, I think it's a lot easier to have it feel super real, plus an improvised, yeah, small project. It's just so because it's like, yes, there was a beat where we were gonna kiss, but it wasn't like, and now kiss. It was like, okay, when it kind of made sense, we kissed. Um, but yeah, I mean, I feel really lucky that I got to do the version that was just like, okay, this is feels real and looks real. And like it's nice to see that instead of something on a sitcom that's like, they're not kissing. I know they're not. Their lips are somewhere near there, but like they're not, that's not a real thing. But it, you know, it's a funny thing to capture, something that's not reality TV, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I guess I mean it probably is a little closer, you know. I'm just thinking about these bachelor kind of shows where, you know, the main contestant is kissing like you know, all the people on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, it's that's those are real. Like it's not like a fake, you know, those aren't like they're not faking, like making out like in a movie might. And it's like, yeah, so I guess it's a little close, you know, it's like a halfway to sort of that kind of world.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and I even wonder on those shows if they're like, okay, so you guys kiss now a little bit, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, they for sure give hands to each of the people as they're like going into the scene or they come whispered in the ear. I think you guys, I think you guys might kiss. Yeah. I mean, there's like no doubt.
SPEAKER_03:So funny watching to be like, or at least to like make the suggestion, be like, so and if you feel like kissing, just go for it, just make sure you're facing camera, you know, whatever it is.
SPEAKER_00:Um no, I'm for sure they ask them to repeat, you know, yeah, that's kissing, all that stuff. Like I, you know, I mean, I don't I haven't watched one in a little bit, but I like I mean, I do like watching them because the editing is just incredible on them. I mean, some of it's because they're shooting so many cameras, but like the yeah, it's so obviously this created kind of thing. So yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um I think that night we shot the sex scene. Is that right? I doubt it. Okay. Okay. I doubt it. It was at night that we shot it, I think. I don't think we shot that during the day. And I don't think we did day for night.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, I think we did at night. I can't maybe not. It would have been a lot to shoot. Yeah, I feel like it probably wasn't. Okay. But at the same time, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Maybe it was the next night, but that was the next thing I remember shooting. I mean, we probably shot stuff during the day. We shot definitely us like going to the beach and hanging out and frolicking and flirting, and and then I definitely remember us shooting a sex scene in your parents' bed. I can actually we can not include that in a bed. And and we were in our underwear. Yeah. And then we fake had sex.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, pretty, yeah, essentially. You know, it was shot like to frame, you know, kind of like torso up. And then yeah, it was sort of a couple long takes of yeah, fake and having sex. Yeah. Well, like I thought we did a really good job.
SPEAKER_03:Like we it it was, I did not, it did not feel fake. Because we were kind of just like dry humping, you know. Pretty much. But it was like again, kind of like the kiss. It was like, it was nice to like make that feel totally real.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean, there was I we I why I think it was this next night. I feel like we had established a bit of like an intimacy or comfort with each other. Yeah. That's it. Which is so funny.
SPEAKER_03:You're like 48, 24 hours later.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it might have been like it was either the night you say or the next night that we shot this scene for sure. It wasn't longer than that. But yeah, it's pretty pretty wow. I mean, that yeah, you know, I guess there's just I I would say some of it is your personality. But also sometimes people just click and can be a little, you know, you have the same thing in real life dating. Yeah. And and there's a real you know, it's what people say when you know, some movie couple like looks real or whatever. There's chemistry, the chemistry. And so I think there certain like there was that was a big element of it was a comfort with each other, a quick comfort, you know, that had to do with driving down, just you know, very small production. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and openness, you know. Like I said, I think we were both like, let's make this good. I mean, you can't force something to be good, but I think there was like a playfulness and an openness. And I don't think I was trying to make it a particular way. I think it was like, well, what's this gonna be? And yeah, we were attracted to each other. So it made it like okay, I'll say I was attracted to you. So it like made it easy to be like, all right, well, let's fake do this, but it's so funny to fake have sex with somebody and not really I mean it's also hot to like pretend you're having sex, but not be wanting to sex, but sort of wanting to be having sex. Like that is so funny and like interesting, and also I've just never been in that situation before, and may never be, you know, it's like a very particular situation. It's not, I mean, it's particular to acting and right.
SPEAKER_00:No, I mean, I can't, I mean, I don't know when that'll ever happen in my life, you know. Um, I don't see my like uh myself veeried into acting suddenly, but yeah, the yeah, there's a reality to it for sure, that I mean, I certainly either didn't know or didn't know how to do differently than just you know not really being an actor going into it or not having that experience. I've been around enough of it or directed scenes. So it's it's the you know, it's not that foreign, but it's still yeah, different to be in front of the camera.
SPEAKER_03:And it's sort of like people say that if a cat comes on stage, all of a sudden you see how fake the acting is, or like a kid too, and there's something about sex where it's like, well, you're gonna fake what you're gonna do with like that's like crazy. I mean, we were not having intercourse, but it was like I don't know how we could have done it differently from how we actually do that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, I'm sure there's there, yeah, I don't, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Like we, I yeah, and I also wasn't gonna be like horny about it. It was just like, no, this is like what I and it's not like what I do in general. It's like this is what I do with you, because it's like two people co-creating a thing. Um, but it was fun, yeah. And it not odd in like while I was in it, it was not in my head. It was not like, oh, I'm really thinking about what's happening, but it is very odd to be like in our underwear and pretending we're not in our underwear, and like, I mean, yes. And there's also elements of it that like are actually hooking up, like and I feel really comfortable on camera, and I feel comfortable with nudity. So it's like you cast super well. Yeah. And you didn't know that.
SPEAKER_00:No, um, yeah. Unless somebody has the the reel for it, or you know something. And OnlyFans.
SPEAKER_03:I don't even know that OnlyFans existed then, but yes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So but yeah, and then there was you know, before and after thing of you know, some tension, certainly like leading. Well, we know we have to do this sex scene at some point. So there's like a tension of, oh, this, you know, and then the stress relief of it of just oh, that went pretty good. And like I feel, you know, we're probably like closer even now. And that even helps, you know, the trajectory of the relationship in the movie, I think, which sort of does go and depicts that quick kind of uh not not a crush, but uh like falling for someone, yeah, falling for someone quickly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And I think I just it just occurred to me that being by the ocean, I think, probably helped. We were spending less time on the beach. I was like, I felt so relaxed. I didn't feel like I was anywhere. I was not in a real city, you know. So I think that helped with the sort of like breeziness. And then yeah, we also spent, especially one evening we had a bonfire. We just like made out for so long. Because it was like, well, we just knew this footage.
SPEAKER_00:You know, it's just yeah. I yeah, I and yeah, we just made an actual bonfire and yes, right, actual ocean, actual bonfire, yes, yeah, actual s'mores. Yeah, and we should, you know, like I think the I mean, there's obviously certain elements of small production micro budget that's gonna allow you to kind of like you said before, kind of forget the camera a little bit. And and yeah, we shot on lobs the entire time. We never had a boom, so there wasn't like a boom in your face, and takes could just go on and on. Yeah. We weren't like resetting. And so I think that that was part of it that I'm sure looking back added to that, you know, yeah, it's more how a dock is shot in a lot of ways, you know, if they don't have someone who can be uh a sound person, it's just all loves and yeah, or reality TV is a lot like that. So yeah, planted mics. So I mean, I think because I can picture that scene, it's a really nice scene in the movie, the bonfire scene, you know, because it's like uh your typical golden hour kind of thing, and we made the actual fire, and it's sort of a quiet, there's like quiet conversation between us that feels real. Like I had a lot of people comment to me about that scene in particular. Um, and I think part of that is because it's at the ocean and bonfire, so it feels like there's something really visual about it. That people really bought that scene or like, oh, that was like a a little bit of being kind of emotionally like naked in a different way.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That you know, you're having both to I mean, in the course of the filmmaking, you're kind of that's the moment where it's sort of trying to test whether this is real or not between these people. And those are probably conversations. I like I watched that, I'm like, oh yeah, that's how like how hard it would be for me to have that conversation with for with someone in general. Those, you know, I'm not going to be the the most verbose, like communicative person in these things. So it did capture, I'm like, oh yeah. I'm like, you know, nervous. And yeah, I mean, I can't remember if I was because it echoes certain relationships from before that that I know I was calling on, and like, but I I don't think as like my acting method I was thinking about that in the moment, but I can picture the the of versions of that conversation with other, you know, other people in my actual life. And it's not far off, it's just not far off some of it, you know. And so it's uh yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that was the scene where Rob was like, that's what you look like when you're in love with someone. And he's like, you've made that face, you know, and not to say that like I am acting in real life, it's just I was being yeah, I was really in it. Yeah. Um, and yeah, I even said something about vulnerability.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I remember I was like, do you want me to be vulnerable or something? It was like a it was sort of a question of are we gonna be open to each other? Are we gonna do this? Yeah. And it, yeah, obviously doing a sex scene is a kind of vulnerability, but that's a different one, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah. I mean, they're they're both stressful when I think back about them. But one is like a physical thing, and then one is like, I don't know that I'm an actor who can I don't know if I can get this across on screen. Oh, you really did. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you really did, yeah. You know, but but it's like uh set up for me to succeed in that. Well, in terms of just yeah, playing myself, kind of, you know, and getting not having to be more than myself in the thing.
SPEAKER_03:I think it was maybe the whole thing was probably more more stressful for you because it was your project. Like I like to do a great job on anything I do, but also I felt like I could just play around and see what happened. Whereas for you, like you'd spent a lot of time on this project already and money. And so it was like, I think maybe all that stuff. And also you're not a performer. So for you, there's like a lot of stressors.
SPEAKER_00:I think there was an element, you know, that had to do with dating and relationships in my life earlier, where I would I definitely wouldn't have been able to do those scenes, you know, at an earlier point in my life. Too self conscious. Wow, cool, you know, but God, growth is cool. But later, like cared a lot less about other people's perception of you or, you know, how you might look. Or I've I've always been able to do that when I play little roles in other people's movies and stuff. I can kind of like not care how I look. So I think that's part maybe that's part of it, is it the camera allows you to do that kind of freely, you know, because you don't have the consequence of the the real life if you if you mess it up. So you know, and I I think that's what I've always seen in in actors who are good, you know, it's always it's always pretty shocking how hard it is. Yeah. And I've seen actors who just kind of want to be cool and you know, and everything is about every costume decision and line thing is is thinking they're in like a magazine, you know, shoot or something rather than a movie.
SPEAKER_03:And yeah, so yeah, even the way like on any even indie now, like the hair is perfectly done. It's like, yeah, there there has been a shift in filmmaking in general. It's nice to see, yeah, just the raw Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's funny. I don't know. Did have you watched this movie that's out now, May, December?
SPEAKER_03:I haven't seen it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I've watched it recently, and there's so it's about an actress going to do research about some she's gonna do like a biopic of this tabloid woman played by Julianne Moore. And so Natalie Portman is the actress. So it's an actual, you know, famous actress playing an actress, going to this small town, and she goes to one of the kids in the movie's high school drama class to do like a hey, here's a real actor. She's like a TV actor in the movie. And one of the kids' questions is about sex scenes. And I absolutely, you know, knowing I was coming here, like, and her response was was very honest. I mean, partly in the movie, I think it's meant to be like crude and sort of like, can't believe this actress is like this is a room full of you know 15-year-olds and and she's you know going on like this. But she's essentially saying that no, sex scenes, you know, you get turned on.
SPEAKER_01:Cool.
SPEAKER_00:And uh, you know, there's like she's like essentially telling them, no, they're really intimate and sometimes they're really hot.
SPEAKER_03:And I haven't heard people say that though. Like I haven't heard actors say that in real life. Like I feel like I'm the only person who's been like, oh yeah, it was really hot. But like I don't I feel like Well, I think you're not supposed to say that. Sure, but I also I don't know. I just feel like everyone talks about how technical it is. Like there can be versions of it where it's super choreographed. Yeah. And like takes away any of that. Yeah. Or it's, you know, elongated, you know, shot for four hours or something instead of for, you know, sort of in real time. But we did, we shot it three times. I remember. I was just I can really remember three. It was like appropriate two.
SPEAKER_00:I can remember two for sure.
SPEAKER_03:We shot it three, and I think we tried to do the same things, which is also really funny.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Maybe I moved the cameras around, you know, probably between them. That's probably why, you know, is is just getting different camera angles and stuff of of why we would do it similar, you know. We didn't try anything too crazy after the first one. Like, oh, pretty good. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I think that's what we would have done. Yeah. Um, and yeah, and then in the actual movie, it's shorter than that. It's actually like not super long, yeah, but it looks very real.
SPEAKER_00:So like you sort of needed the well, and there was obviously versions where it was, you know, not a long scene, but a real sex scene. Yeah. A lot more than sort of what it ultimately ended up being, which is common enough. But yeah, it was much more like, oh yeah, this is gonna be like a real sex scene now in the movie. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Was that always the like was that your intention?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I definitely wanted to see how that would play in this mix of like doc and sort of fiction elements to then like have a scene that you're not gonna see in like a documentary.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so to really interesting, to really push it. And you know, I mean, I don't think the movie like needs it. And that's probably why it's this sort of truncated version of of the like a full cut of the scene. But I think it's still, yeah, it still sort of acts as that, you know.
SPEAKER_03:I have the full cut, yeah, which I really appreciate. Um and we also shot a shower sex scene. Yeah. Which was kind of like two scenes, and yeah. The shower sex scene, I feel like, was like less of a big deal because we'd already been hanging out for days and it was like we'd already kissed a bunch. It was like, yeah, whatever. Like it was so whatever, which is so funny. Because, like, yeah, it could be because you could like really see our bodies and stuff. But that one I just felt like was like la la la. Like we were like joking around. It was like not a big deal, just really funny.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that one was much yeah, there wasn't any like worries like, okay, well, let's try this, try this scene out now. We've just been at the beach, we'd uh, you know, we'd come take a shower, we may as well may as well shoot it. I think I legitimately needed to get like ocean off of me. It was like a real score. Yeah, we really did shoot it, I think, in order of that. I think no, I think so. I think before that shower scene might have been we just went actually out to the dog beach and shot as if we were going to the dog beach kind of for a few hours and took the dog, and there was like one dialogue, you know, improv scene at the dog beach that's in the movie. Yeah, it's kind of I mean, it is interesting. There's not almost everything we shot, like scene-wise, is still like a scene in the movie, which is kind of unusual. I mean, especially for like an unfairly unscripted thing. And it's still like the the heart of the movie in terms of I mean, like even now, you know, I think about going back to the movie and trying to change certain things to resubmit to like film festivals or whatever. And like that section of the movie is always sort of it it's sort of set now, but it's this things around it that you know, I try to that took the the most work or changed the most. So yeah, I mean, I hadn't thought about that.
SPEAKER_03:I could definitely see it as its own thing. I mean, for sure, like our whole thing, because it is kind of its own storyline. It's like we meet up and then we connect and then um we'll get to what happens. But um yeah. And also we just legit, yeah, again, like we we legitimately like had a good time frolicking in the waves. It was like, yeah, it definitely helps to have those real elements. And then I I think it might have been after that we shot the bonfire scene because I think we were in like a very maybe not, but it was the last night we shot, and we shot a scene. I like walked your dog, and then we were I came back into the house and you were lying down watching TV and I lay on top of you. And that's the that's our last scene. That's our last scene together. Yeah. Yeah, it just felt real. It felt like, oh, we're really settling into something. It felt like the moment where you're kind of like, oh, I think we're gonna like really date now. Yeah. And yeah, then in the oh, and then we like sort of actually hooked up a little bit. Do you want me to not say that? I don't know. I can I you can tell me later. You can tell me later if you want me to not say that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I I can't, I mean, I I can picture us uh genuine.
SPEAKER_03:Exactly. Cause it's sort of like what is kind of the difference.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:We've been hooking up for four days. So it's like, okay, but that was the first time that it what something that I actually really appreciated was that after we shot film stopped filming every day or night, I would like go back to my own room and do my own thing for like a long time. Yeah. And I had like it, we didn't blur lines, honestly. Even though we blurred lines in the filming, in the days, I don't think we blur lines. And for me, that was very helpful as a reset and also not to have I've actually really learned on set to not blur lines because if you start flirting at six in the morning, you have to keep on flirting at 5 p.m. and you're exhausted. It's like, nope, like I'm not playing this game. It's fine. But um, I was totally willing to do it on camera, but like it was nice to not have to like keep up a thing. We were actually kind of like totally did our own thing a lot of the time when we weren't shooting. But yeah, we did like kind of actually, I think because it was like the last night. So it was like I think so. It doesn't matter. We didn't have to preserve our energy, we didn't have to like make sure everyone felt comfortable. It was like whatever, like camp's almost over. Yeah. But yeah. And I do think, okay, so there was like a kind of fiction that was created that was like, but it also felt real. We actually legitimately had chemistry and we were getting along. And so there was a I do think there was a moment where I was like, oh, I think we're gonna start dating. Yeah. Well, especially the drive back.
SPEAKER_00:I we were still very it felt like we were still in it, even though you know the shoot's over. Yeah. And, you know, we're heading back. The whole drive it felt like I was like with somebody I was dating, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That, but like it, that didn't somehow I will say that didn't feel complicated or bad.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, definitely not.
SPEAKER_03:It was like, okay, I don't know. Like, and I think we sort of we said, like, okay, we're gonna hang out. Yeah. And then we just never did. Never did. And like, I think that's for the best, like for the movie and whatever. It's like it's totally fine. But it is kind of awesome that we're very in sync physically, and we were in sync in terms of like how open we were gonna be in this process. And then I think we were both in sync of like, well, yeah, let's hang, yeah, but then and then not. Right. Somehow it was like, I don't, I think the thing that can get hard in any kind of romantic situation is when like you're not in sync. Cause I've been in sync with people where it's like, oh yeah, it's time for us to break up now. And that can be like oddly romantic because it's like, oh, we're in sync. I've been sync about like, oh, we're both gonna be in an we're gonna be in an open relationship. I've obviously been in sync where it's like, okay, we definitely are gonna do this thing. And it's funny that like it was like we did something for a project that had a lot of real elements, but wonderfully there wasn't a messy or bad feeling of like, but I wanted more, but you promised me, you know what I mean? Like that could have happened on either end, and like magically, I think it totally didn't.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, I mean it's just making me think about you know, I mean it's a fairly stereotypical view on things. But yeah, you do you do meet people throughout your life that you kind of click with, and some are longer and some are shorter, and like, yeah, it's it is there is like a and I certainly like the fiction version of that's in the movie with you, it like a lot of the movie, whether it's like actual doc stuff or recreations of dates, were based on like real stuff. The the the thing, the storyline with you was much more it had had never happened to me in my life of this like falling for somebody, you know, like 48-hour, three-day date kind of thing. And I've had friends, you know, who are still together even like tell me that that was kind of how their relationship started, where they just knew, or you think about, yeah, it's certainly like a travel vacation kind of thing would be somewhere where this would be more likely to happen, or or what, or whatever. And so, but I do feel like I've had a version of that because yeah, we went out and shot this thing, and it was yeah, the the there were like actual feelings of like, oh wow, we really do get along. Like this is easy. You know, it's what I would say is one of the biggest factors when I have had other relationships is just the there's an ease. Um, and I'm sure it's similar for most people of being with someone. And yeah, you know, we had that in this sort of odd circumstance.
SPEAKER_03:That is documented. Yeah, it's documented. It's like it's proven, and then it's like, yeah, and I don't know. I mean, I always love that thing of not all relationships are meant to last forever. Sometimes they're meant to last like four days, or sometimes it's just like you see someone on the subway and you're like, uh, I don't actually need to talk to you this this bisexes. Yeah, but yes, I do. It is very lucky that not only do we get to like have that, but we're both like fine with the duration.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. No, and I always wonder, yeah. I mean, I always because yeah, we didn't like hang out or go do something later. It's interesting to talk about because we never talked about that since then. It's kind of interesting to hear that we both it was sort of like uh yeah, both had that moment and then it kind of you know dissipates.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's funny.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I know, and it is interesting also that we never talked about it, but I think that also kind of makes sense because those things can be sort of subtle.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, and it was this project, and yeah, it it puts up some like blocks to for myself at least, of like not wanting to like overreach talking about it or you know.
SPEAKER_03:Right. Especially while you're in the middle of yeah dealing with it. And also you had to look at me a lot. It was a lot of yeah, for you, you're probably thinking about it more because it was like all this footage.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, and then you know, I walk away from it and then look at all the other scenes and I have other scenes to shoot.
SPEAKER_03:And yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right. You know, how does this fit in? Yeah, it's a little more like bird's eye view.
SPEAKER_00:Because yeah, that was still, I mean, it was still shooting that together was still like, well, I hope this works, you know, as an actual film thing. But if it did, you know, it might not have, and I would have been like, okay, well, can I do I just jettison sort of this? And is it more of this documentary thing? But yeah, I mean, it, you know, I would say it's the overall thing that works the best in the movie is that section.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's a long section. Yeah, oh, yeah. 40 minutes, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And we should also say for the audience that in the end, I so we have this like amazing 48 hours where we're totally connected. We're basically saying, I guess we're doing this, let's get vulnerable. I I don't really remember what I said to you when I was lying on top of you on the couch, but it was sort of like I think I made a joke, like, okay, I'm moving in now or something like that. But it was like it just felt like we were totally together, like the dog and the TV. And then um, and then the next morning I leave.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And you don't even have my phone number because we just communicated through the app and then I deleted my Tinder or Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Or like you delete the yeah, I think it was supposed to be Tinder, yeah. Yeah, it's like your dating app profile disappears as I'm trying to message you back. So yeah, it's like and I haven't had that experience in that specific kind of uh dramatic way, certainly. But that that element of dating app life, of having like a couple dates with someone, and then you know, you never hear from the person again. Like I'm I I've had that happen to me for sure. I've done it to other people. It's just so it was trying to capture that part, and the movie isn't it's not setting up to be kind of a uh romant like uh romantic everything works out film, but um, yeah, yeah, for like the and then the scenes with me alone. I mean, a lot of it is the visual, it's like in this empty house, and then I go with my dog to the beach alone on this like foggy morning. And yeah, they they kind of you know, it was the the element that what was very true is sort of like at that end of just kind of being exhausted by the dating apps and like thinking you've found someone and then it's over. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I could you know go on about the dating apps and stuff quite quite a bit, but there's such an element of fantasy to them. Like even before you meet someone, you've I know you've just seen, you know, and a lot of people like connect their Instagram accounts to these things. You're just getting like way too much information kind of about somebody where you can create this alternate version of where you know, and I think it does speed things up sometimes, you know, and but yeah, and I think there's a thing about um connecting quickly.
SPEAKER_03:It's like we all really want to connect, and we're also backlogged and don't have enough of that feeling. And sex and intimacy are like one of the only places where you're allowed to sort of like really share yourself, and like it's like one of the only areas in society that you're allowed to have sort of like your spirituality expressed. So there's like it's there's too few places where you're allowed to share yourself like that. So in this funny way, you can sort of over you can so quickly enter into something intimate and not kind of take the time. And so it's sort of there is often a thing where it's like, oh, we had two very different experiences of that. I thought we were about to start something and you just wanted to have sex.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Even if there is, I mean, I've definitely dated people who've been like, well, first date, like I'm gonna make you my girlfriend. And then like we have sex and then that's it.
SPEAKER_01:Like never ever's birthday again.
SPEAKER_03:And it's like that just it's like, but it's not just like you gave me the sense. You said it explicitly. Yeah. And then you're like, I was looking for a girlfriend. You're like, but you said it explicitly, like it's wild. But it's also like people want, I mean, it's not just that they want to have sex, it's like people really want to feel connected and then are afraid of feeling connected. And yeah, like that didn't feel false because I think, and it didn't make all of the intimacy we created in the movie false necessarily. It was just sort of like, oh, I think that woman just wanted an experience.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, or she just woke up, you know, because in the movie it's supposed to be this guy lives in another city, he's sort of come to this vacation place. And so, yeah, she in my mind, it was she kind of woke up and said, Oh, that what what if what what this isn't a real thing. And so she, you know, rather than have the conversation, or you know, you it could last, who knows, where she's got something to go do, and she's like, Yeah, just leaves.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that like fear also. Yeah. It's not just like, oh, this is bullshit. It's like, oh, I don't, I'm, I can't keep this up, and I can't, um, I'm afraid to, and I'm gonna become icy and cool because I don't want to deal with continuing to share myself. Yeah. Which is a way in which I'm very different from that character. Because I'm always like, well, what's this all about?
SPEAKER_00:What's what what what else? Um Well, yeah, there is, I mean, it's similar, and I don't want to say it's just uh I mean, I, you know, in the movie, it's obviously this woman who makes the decision. I think it's stereotypically thought of as like a guy. Yes, the guy thing of like the next morning, the guy's like, ooh, well, I need to go home, you know, or like I need to go back to my life. And but I've I I've seen it, you know, both ways a lot more than I mean, I think that's what the dating apps have also done is it's oh like next? Next. No, no, no, just um, yeah, next for both sexes. Both people can be can kind of be like that. So yeah, that there's absolutely like a a daylight, you know, pull back the curtains element on a lot of these relationships.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Or experiences. Yeah. I mean, it might be that she just like had this, you know, her calendar was kind of open. It's like, okay, we may as well stay. That's fine. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And it's like this is nice how yeah, but yeah, I think it's like, let me touch a little warmth, but then not necessarily like keep it going. And yeah, it is so interesting how yeah, people just want different things and you like don't know that.
unknown:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I think the psychology of uh of your character for Rebecca, you know, isn't as on the surface as mine in the movie. So yeah, we kind of don't we don't totally know.
SPEAKER_03:You know, yeah, it's more it's also just like good movie making. It's like it's left open. There's not a feeling of conclusion, which is like what a movie is. It's like you don't really know what's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_00:Um, but most people like to have an end, you know, a conclusive to the to the story that's being told. Maybe we don't know what's gonna happen after.
SPEAKER_03:Maybe like they like that, but maybe there's also a nice feeling of like, what, what? Like the mystery continues.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, those are the the timeless ones probably are. Like um, it's not just you know, the pure saccharin, like hallmark rom-com sort of thing. It's you know, either like a relationship that can't exist, you know, and the few people move on, or yeah, there is some semblance of you know, like the graduate, like, oh well we have no idea. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um do you remember anything else or do you want to say anything else?
SPEAKER_00:No, I you know, I it was just going through my mind of sort of the the shoot and the timeline because we shot those scenes and then I had to go back a ways later and shoot all this stuff where I'm just the only person on screen. And it was very different and like like that was almost more mentally. I was like wiped out, I remember from that, of just like, uh, I mean it's a lot more technical. Like I needed these shots of just me in all these little places to stitch the movie together that kind of like put off shooting to the end. And yeah, I'm just thinking back about yeah, the the weirdness of filmmaking and like that, yeah, shooting stuff because I shot some of those things. I did just shoot, like I would set up a camera and like walk through the frame. Yeah, and then I'd have to do it, you know, 20 times.
SPEAKER_03:And um Yeah, it's also more fun to do things with other people.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think part of the reason I like filmmaking is the social element. I'm like not the most, you know, I'm not an extrovert by any stretch, but I like the like group project element of it, and that you're there together with it, and there's a lot of energy with that. And yeah, when you're kind of doing it alone, it's like, oh wow, it really lacks this. But that kind of works because it was like you alone. Yeah, it was mostly supposed to be stressed. Yeah. I mean, there were elements before where it was sort of writing this, you know, um like dating wave of excitement of like oh, you know, dating all these people, but then there was a lot of like low elements to it. So yeah, I guess it should have been that.
SPEAKER_03:And you said that you sort of felt like you had a little the experience of a whirlwind romance, you know, like go on a date in the last 48 hours. Given that, but also overall, what were your thoughts of the experience and me?
SPEAKER_00:I mean, I certainly think like the you know, there's just like I found the right actress for the role for that kind of project and the way we connected. There was like no doubt. And yeah, there has always been in my mind not not anything like like I thought there would have been more, but yeah, I I think because we did connect, there okay, like you do come back in my mind like, oh, well, yeah, Miriam, you know, didn't didn't follow that through. And not that I think, you know, that was like our destiny or whatever, but it's still just like, yeah, you feel much more like someone I in my mind, a little bit more like someone I dated or had that experience with in like a film experience. Yes. For sure. Yes. And I've got to be. Like I put you in this, you know, bucket of like of not, you know, not exes, but like people that I've been on dates with. And either it's like, oh, maybe I really should have pursued that more, or I wish that person had called me back, you know, that kind of thing. That yeah, it's much different than, you know, certainly my relationships with actors and actresses and other stuff I've made where it's more that kind of, you know, friend you haven't seen in a long time. If I run into them, it's but it is very intimate with those people, but it's it's like a it's a class project camp kind of thing, not it and yeah, this crossed over into it, you know. And I I mean, certainly that happens a lot on m movies between actors, you know, and I guess between other people working on the movie. I mean, certainly there's plenty of famous instances of of these kind of things happening with crew members and when yeah, so many crew members meet their partners on film sets like when you work in that industry. So yeah, I think it's a common I've always thought because I'm not an actor, I've always thought, what is it like to like you know, maintain a marriage or something and then go off and do these things where I I think it's hard. You know, it's probably a little bit easier now because of the phones and like you know, your the person is in, you know, if your partner's back home and you're out on a shoot, you're have a lot of contact with them still all the time. Whereas before, you know, you could really go out and maybe you talk to the person at the end of the day or you miss them and like you kind of forget about the rest of your life. So yeah, it's a hard it's a hard path, I think.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and I think I think your partner also has to understand how important it is for you to stay in the zone of whatever it is. But yeah, it's definitely unusual.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and yeah, but you know, I think a lot of relationships suffer from it.
SPEAKER_03:So um, well, I had a really good experience making that film. It was a lot of work, I mean it w you know, but also there's a lot of brightness around it and it was I'd say it was it was work, but it was also um actually shooting scenes wasn't taxing really.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It was just like, you know, we had we had stuff to do. But um it was so singular, and that I really I just like experiences like that. And I think um we really couldn't have known how it was gonna go, and we really couldn't control how it went. So I honor that we were both like, all right, let's go. And then we both did go in and we were both open and we all like yielded control and um and let I I do think there's a way that um like the the way you're describing with romance on a trip, it was almost because it was for the sake of a movie and for a finite amount of time elsewhere that we really like let it grow, like let the feelings for each other grow and then sort of wane, you know, sort of when it was over. Not exactly in that block, but yeah, it's it's cool that we were both down to do that. I had such a good time. I was so happy to have that footage. It's such an odd experience. Like also, I think there's something just like the straight up sex scene. That is a unique experience of faking something that you actually want. Right. That's really interesting. And like again, like I've never had an experience like that. I've either not had sex with someone or had sex with someone, but it's such an interesting in-between. So, like overall, it's I'm just grateful for the distinct life experience.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, that's nice to hear.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:No, because yeah, I mean, I think the movie itself is because of the style of the movie, it took a long time to make and certainly didn't go out into the world and like make some marks. So it's sort of a you you know, there's it's been a disappointment on that level. But it's yeah, you know, getting to talk to you, it's still nice about of like having this experience of it, you know. So that's a nice idea.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's like there's not that yeah, like you live a certain amount of time, but like this will always be that experience for me, you know?
SPEAKER_00:No, in this movie, you know, like I've been around the the stuff enough to know that yeah, you know, I don't know if the life of this movie is is over yet or not on things. come back around or yeah yeah but I do think part of the reason I sort of like hold it in in my head of oh well maybe this maybe this one could be something is because yeah the there is the the story with you in it that is like real and affecting that that like yeah I'm like oh maybe you know maybe maybe it just needs a different version of it or who knows maybe it'll be some movie I tinker with for 10 years. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:I support it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah so we'll see we'll we'll we'll see if we're you know out at some premiere of this movie in 20 years and looking back. Yeah I mean I that's sort of what I said right after we shot it I was like I can't wait to do a panel about this which is kind of what this is but I would also do one of our panels for ourselves. Yes. Yeah so that yeah it's good to good to have a panel. Yeah yeah you just realize how much panels are really as much just for the uh participants.
SPEAKER_03:Oh yeah of course I mean especially with this kind of thing. Yeah but it's also I think it's titillating for anyone to hear it's like it's interesting stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um but so yeah thank you both for the experience and for doing this because it's never easy I think I mean I am an extrovert but it yeah it's never easy to talk about this stuff and you worked so much on that film. So um yes I appreciate both you creating that situation and also for you talking so openly today. It's like really awesome. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02:Yes thank you Mary so great I want you all still to answer my questions I still want to know how can you be so high how can you be so hot hi oh so fun.
SPEAKER_03:I will actually say I underplayed just how hot it was to fake have sex when you actually want to have sex because you have to hold back you aren't totally satisfied you are left yearning and also it's being filmed so it's super heightened. I definitely recommend that life experience thank you again to Andy certain people who agree to be on the podcast aren't necessarily extroverts and maybe are private. So I'm so grateful to them especially and to people who haven't yet been on the pod but do qualify I take care of my guests I make it a good experience it'll feel good so just a little pre-pod prod. And White Whale Guest of the week since we're in cinema land when I was 18 I was in Montreal visiting my sister and right before I got on an eight hour night bus to go back to Boston we watched before sunrise and then I got onto a bus at 11 p.m feeling amorous and wanting to fall in love and I'm looking around the bus for a person to crush on and there is no one just no possibility even though as you may have learned I am an equal opportunity lover. The bus is about to pull out I'm disappointed and then the doors open and in walks this hot guy with a shaved head and he sits right behind me. So within five minutes we're sitting together and within a half an hour we are making out which we proceed to do for the entire night amazing experience. He was on his way to basic training in the army that is the only detail I have I don't remember your name if you are this person Mr. Basic Training I would love to have you on the podcast. Thank you so much for listening it is a dream until next time XOXO X appeal is so real X appeal is so real X appeal is so real You are open you are closed you are open you are closed X appeal is so real