This Week’s Episode: Sam’s Story – From Corporate to Creative (Part 1)

This week, Saphira is joined by Sam, our Graphic Designer at Nail Order, to dive into her journey from the corporate world into the fast-paced, creative environment at Nail Order.

They talk about her previous experience in corporate roles, the contrast in culture, and what it’s really like moving into a more relaxed, dynamic business. From structure and expectations to creativity and freedom, Sam shares her honest take on the transition.

This is Part 1 of Sam’s story — giving you a behind-the-scenes look at her journey, mindset, and the lessons she’s learned along the way.

🎧 Tune in for real insight, honest comparisons, and zero BS.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hey guys, welcome back to Nail Order Bite-Sized. And I'm here with our graphic designer, Sam. She's head of design here at Nail Order. This is Sam's first time on the podcast. So I'm really excited. I've got loads of questions for you. Some people have actually sent in some submissions themselves. But yeah, me and Sam are going to talk about all things graphic design. We're going to talk about Sam's journey here at Nail Order, a little bit about Nail Order graphic design, and also ways that you guys can use graphic design to level up your businesses. So really exciting episode and something a bit different.

unknown 0:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:33

So you can start with introducing yourself.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Okay. So hi, I am Sam. I'm the graphic designer here at Nail Order. And yeah, like, should I start for like my journey? Like how I've got to where I am in your life.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

Yeah, like how did you get into graphic design?

SPEAKER_00 0:51

So I kind of fell into it to be honest. I studied product design engineering at uni, so that was like a full mechanical engineering degree with product design. So in that we did like a tiny bit of graphic design. We had to design our journals and stuff like that for when we were presenting um projects. But on the whole, we didn't really do much on the graphic design side. It was all kind of self-taught.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

So I cannot believe that you're self-taught on the graphic design side of things. That's so crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Yeah, like it's it's all kind of learned from like just years of experience. Like I graduated in 2014, so this will be my 12th year in employment, which is quite scary for that. Um but yeah, so I started off. Um I actually worked in it was technically a pro a product design role, but it was applying graphics to things like pop-up tents and like beds. Like basically, if you've seen in like the Argos catalogue, like kids' beds that are like have like Disney characters on them and stuff, I did that kind of thing. So um, and I loved that. Like I when I left Junior I wanted to be a toy designer, that was kind of what I was doing. So I was loving it.

SPEAKER_03 2:11

Did you ever like make a toy?

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Um, so toys-wise, probably not. It was more like pop-up tents. So like there's this um Peppa Big Caravan uh pop-up tent, which I'm pretty sure is still in Argos now that I did, which is cool. Um, and uh like stuff like beds and book um like book holder things and like blow-up sofas and stuff like that, ready beds like all that. Crazy, I didn't know that. So so I moved to nail order bed. Yeah. Um so I worked there for about seven months, um, and I'd moved that was down in New Key, so I'd moved myself like down there from Glasgow. And then I got made redundant from that job, which I was so sad about. But um, but at the time it was probably a blessing disguise. Like personally, I was really far away from family professionally. Like, whilst I loved the job, like the pay wasn't amazing and stuff like that. So I moved myself back up to Glasgow and I got a job. I think I was only unemployed for about six weeks, so that was really good. And then I got a job in the whiskey industry. So the um the recruiter had maybe told a few like porcupies and said that it was a graphic design job, like designing labels and stuff, and then I got to the interview with this massive portfolio, and they're like, Yeah, it's it's not a design job.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

What was it?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

So it was as a packaging technologist and a packaging development person. So basically, you would get the artwork from either the agency or your printer that you were using, and it would be your job to make sure that all the information on it was correct, that like I would go to print runs and check that all the colours were correct, that the right substrate was used, you would pick out like the substrate, she would make sure that the bottle went down the bottleneck, so it was all a more kind of technical side of packaging. Yeah. Um, which was oh, so interesting. Like that job was such a learning curve for me and such an education, and it's kind of how I got into packaging design specifically, because without that job, I wouldn't really have discovered like a love of packaging. Because like as a packaging graphic designer, it's not just about what's going on, it is about like your materials, your finishes, like all that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 4:49

It's um so it's kind of like a job that you fell into, but it's almost like like paved the way for like what you wanted to do.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

I went to the interview and I was like I don't like this isn't really what I want to do, but I'll give it a shot. And you just went with it? It was so glad I did. Um and like I met great people while I was working there and I just got it was such so informative and so shaping of like my career going forward. And then so I worked there for a while, but it wasn't a permanent contract, it was just like a what do you call that? It was like a fixed-term contract. Yeah, like it yeah. And it would get extended, but they couldn't make me permanent. And at the time, me and my now husband wanted to buy a flat, so I needed to get a mortgage.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

So Yeah, you need something like more solid.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

Yeah, so it was more from like a practical side of things that I needed to get like a full-time employed position. Um, so that led me on to a company in Glasgow uh called Lightbody Ventures, they're still going today, but they don't do quite the same as um what they did when I was there. But they make when I was there, they made like biscuits and uh like packaged cakes and stuff like that, but all licensed. So if you saw like Minions biscuits in Asda Bakery or um Thornton's uh wafer rolls and BM or whatever, uh Reese's rounds, things like that, that's the kind of stuff that they did. So there I worked as a packaging designer for them for all these licensed brands. So it was like taking we did Hershey's and Reese's Somewhere because they're the front gate. I have never heard that before. That has never happened. That must be at their house.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

I wonder if we can get Alexa to like do mean things to their house. Like, Alexa, open the front gate. Alexa, who has it?

SPEAKER_00 6:56

Maybe not. I'll be the angel on your shoulder. I'm like sorry. Yeah. Um so yeah, so I I worked for them and that was a great education in terms of like design and packaging from the graphic designer side. Rather, so I had obviously that knowledge of the development, but also in terms of doing all your like finished artwork, making sure that your artwork is ready for print. Also, as the sole designer in the company like I'm here, um, you do all this stuff yourself. So if you work for somewhere bigger, they might have like uh a creative designer that does like the initial concept, but then it goes on to a finished artist to prep the artwork before it goes for print. But I was doing all of that stuff myself, which is again great because it's like Yeah, you've kind of got like creative freedom almost, and also a full rounded view of the whole process, which I think really helps. Um so yeah, so I loved working there, um, but the time came, I just got married. Uh me and my husband wanted to go on a wee adventure, so we decided that we were gonna sell our house and move to Australia for at least a year. Um so that's what we did, and we didn't really have a plan. We just went for the first like two months we were on holiday, and then it was like, right, we should probably start earning some money because um otherwise this isn't gonna be quite so fun. Otherwise, we will get stuck here. Yeah. Um so then I contracted for like a good year.

unknown 8:39

Is that it?

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Yeah, uh, so I contracted for about a year. My first contract while I was over there, actually, weirdly, was with so the company Worlds Apart that I'd worked with, that was my first job, they were bought over by uh large, one of the largest toy companies in the world, Moose Toys, which their headquarters are in Australia. Oh. And my first contract was working on packaging at Moose. And like the second day that I was there, my old boss from Worlds Apart was over, like doing a visit and came and sat down with me in the canteen. He's like, What are you doing here? Like, so it's so weird. Like the world is so cycle, it's like that's crazy, a small world. Yeah, um, so but loved working on that kind that kind of packaging is really involved. It's very artistic, and but it's also great to experience working in a huge company like that. Like they've got illustrators, finished artists, like people who work on the structural packaging side of things, like it's just really interesting to see all these different pieces of the pie that all come together, like working under a creative director, like to think about how many people like in comparison to like what we're doing here.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

It's crazy when you think about it that way, because there's just so many different processes. But like we'll get into that in a moment.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Yeah, like you think they've got like uh people called traffic managers who manage all the jobs coming in from different departments and give it out to all the designers and stuff like that. It's it's insane. Whereas here it's like still guys, what we did today.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

And and no, today's are the same here, I'll tell you that.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

No, no, no. Um so yeah, and then after that contract ended, I just bounced about a couple of different places. Like I would work for one agency fairly regularly, and then I would do other jobs for various other people. Um and then at the end of the year, yeah, the end of 2019, um, I my husband was getting sponsored. Um, so in Australia, if you want to stay there longer, you need to be like sponsored under like a work visa. So his work we're doing that for him, which meant that on a working holiday visa, you can only work for six months in one place, which is why I was like bouncing about contracting. Um, but with his uh sponsorship, it meant that I could get a permanent job. So then I went and got a job with Target Australia, which is one of the biggest clothing retailers in um in Australia. Uh so huge company. Yeah. Um, which was really cool. Like I was the apparel and beauty designer for them. So You've done everything. So I did like swing tags and stuff on the apparel side, like socks packaging, underwear packaging, which was not the most creative, but still, you know, interesting in its own way. And then the beauty packaging, which um probably helped me get my job here. Um, but that was we did a massive rebrand.

SPEAKER_03 11:53

Oh, I'd love to see like some photos from that by the way. You need to show me after. Maybe even if you have anything that you could show. Maybe Chris would pop up on screen for us.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

Yeah, yeah, we can maybe do that. Um, yeah, so we did a whole rebrand of the uh beauty packaging whilst I was there. So that was like a massive logistical operation because it was like over 200, maybe even 300 SKUs, like different products to have a package. Yeah, like and at Target. Um another example of like a big company, they have online approval systems where it goes through like five or six different people to make sure that everything's correct on the packaging before it can get signed off, which you realize the value of. Yeah, you do.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

Neil Archer loves a wee spell and mistake, but that you know it's so funny because like sometimes I'm like, I don't actually know what to say to you. Like with the um the fluor the fluor, for example, and people are like, you do realize that's not the right spelling, and I'm like, I think you're mistaken.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Yeah, it's like it's it's a name, it's fine. Like, no. Um it's a nail orderism. Yeah, it's a nail orderism, but like in a company of that size, stuff like that's not allowed to slip through the net. So there's much more stringent uh quality checks in place and stuff before artwork can go anywhere. But it's like again, that was really interesting in its own right, seeing how such a large company operates, like how like working with so many different departments, again, working with like we had two printers that were used for like apparel, and then you had to make sure that they were colour matched to each other so that buyers could order from either one and stuff like that. So it's just lots of really interesting things to learn and lots of lovely people to learn from as well. So um, so yeah, that was great. And then um, and that was all through COVID as well. So I was only there for like six weeks before everything shut down, and we all had to work from home. So that was like an added, it was like a baptism of fire. Like I feel like I'd just started the job, and then everyone had to learn how to collaboratively work from home. We were sending like pantone pantone swatches to each other in the post and stuff like that. It was crazy. Um I'd I'd art directed a photo shoot from my house like over a video link. It was just weird stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 14:19

Yeah, crazy times. So you don't really think about like specific industries, how they dealt with COVID, but yeah. I imagine like that is really difficult. Even just like I I couldn't even imagine like trying to prepare a launch like during lockdown, like that's yeah, it's it's nuts.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Like trying to get it all get all the wheels turning like together when you're all so separate. Yeah. Like I I I'm a big like advocate for, you know, like I think people can work from home and it does work, but there's especially in like creative industries, I think collaboration is a big thing.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

Absolutely. Um like sometimes we'll be taking photos of things and there's like ten of us there, but it's because everyone needs to have a say about the creative direction, really. But I guess it's different if it's like a bigger company, but definitely would be a struggle to do that like without everyone being there, like hands-on, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

But yeah. Um, so so yeah, I did that, and then I got pregnant with my wee girl, and at the same time I was just about to have her and I got made redundant from my target job, which was actually a blessing and dis well, it wasn't even a blessing in disguise, it was just a blessing because I was planning to come home anyway. So it meant I didn't have to put in a resignation and I got a nice little redundancy payout. Oh, that is cute. I was like, no, there's nothing more stressful, but actually it worked out really. So it actually worked out really well for us. So when Tilly was three months old, we came back to the UK and I was a stay-at-home mum for the best part of three years, um, which was a big change of face, um, but also the hardest job I've ever done. Um, I love coming to work for a little break. Um, but at the time I didn't have a job to go back to. So it was kind of like, how do I, you know, I think if you go on Matt Leave and you have a job waiting for you when you come back, it's much easier to get back into that mindset. Get your childcare set up, like all that kind of thing. Like just like the sense of security. Yeah. Yeah, like I didn't know what hours I would be working, what kind of job I would be doing. So I couldn't set up childcare beforehand. So it was like, yeah, it just I I didn't really know how to make it work. And then when Tilly was like one, found out I was pregnant with my boy. So it was kind of like, well, there's no point in going back now. Like so basically when Ru turned one, my mum uh very helpfully had said that she would do two days of childcare. And I was like, right, okay, let's try and see what I can do. I was like, I'm probably not gonna get a design job because part-time design jobs, especially two days a week, are gold dust. And um so I was like, right, I'll just put fillers out, see what's there. And I saw this job um I think it was February uh of 2024. And saw this job on Indeed that was like nail order um graphic designer two days a week, and I was like, or it I think it was like 12 hours a week spread over not the norm anyway. Yeah, and I was like, never heard of these people. Uh I don't know what this will be like, but let's supply anyway.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

Um and I Who interviewed you out of curiosity?

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Chris and Becca. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um so yeah, I came along, I got the interview and came along, and they explained that like they had another graphic designer who'd been working with them for about six months, but he was leaving. And um, yeah, it was just to kind of like it was going to be really fast-paced, really like lots of creative freedom, like freedom to push the boundaries and stuff like that. Um and I was like, okay, like let's see how we go. And if I'm being completely honest, I did think like, you know, right, this will be my wee stepping stone, foot in the door, like job, like you know, I'll and then I can once I've got that childcare in place, that confidence back, all that kind of thing, I can go and do something else. Yeah, you can and uh because I didn't really know it's so uncertain as well. And and it was such a small operation at the time as well. Like, you know, we were in yeah, right now we have like a big, a nice office before we all sat around a table not that much bigger than this.

SPEAKER_03 18:48

Me and Cameron filmed a video in there the other day, and we were like, How do we all fit in here?

SPEAKER_00 18:53

I don't know. I don't know. It's just I you go in there and you're like, There's just no way like 12 of us fit around this table. Like, how did that even work?

SPEAKER_03 19:02

Um it has even in the year that I've been here, it's just grown like so much. So I can fashion over the last couple of years. It's just exponential.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Yeah. Um, so yeah, I started like I and I used to like get I didn't drive at the time. And if anyone has visited the Neil Order um trade shop, it's a bit of a pain in the bum to get to. Uh especially from where I am, there's no public transport to Paisley. Or there was at the time. It was a wee bus that goes between the hospitals. And um I used to get that and I would get to Paisley at like half eight in the morning, didn't start till ten. Oh, go and sit in Starbucks, or maybe if I was feeling good, I'd go to the gym. And uh and then I'd like walk on to work and it was like the same on the way home. And um and like I did that for god so long, and I was still doing my two days a week. And then um yeah, we started off with like I think one of the first things I worked on was like tit box labels, which I don't know if they ever saw the like a day, to be honest. I I think they kind of got Is it the like just three stickers, like the kitbox stickers? Yeah, but I don't know if the ones that I did have ever surfaced. I don't know. I'll need to check. I need to see. And then I think we were thrown straight into like Art gel labels and stuff, and there was a lot of like it was a lot of getting used to the way that we work here because obviously my last job previous to this was in such a big company, and then we're here and like I was like, So, so is anyone going to check my artwork? No. You you need to check your artwork. And um things like uh like printing off proofs before they get sent away. We don't even we we have like a laser printer and like a little cut, but we don't have like an Epson where you can actually print stuff off after your eyes and check things, so it's it's a lot of it is like working blind, which it is a challenge, you know, when especially coming in having lost a bit of my confidence in terms of my ability and stuff like that. And I was a bit like, oh god, like oh, but you kind of learn to work with it, and also as time's gone on, like various like things have been implemented and stuff like that, like that more like me working more directly with like printers and stuff, and and also some of our other packaging suppliers, and yeah, um, it gets it got a little bit easier.

SPEAKER_03 21:46

Um I think as well, like over the next couple of years, things like this will just continue to get easier and easier. Because probably what you were experiencing when you started was just small business problems.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

Oh yeah, like and it wasn't like I hadn't worked on small. business before. Yeah. But from like but this was like mu I would say that Neil Order was it was much newer than the one I'd worked on before. So it was even yeah it's just and also having only had a designer for six months previous and that designer maybe didn't have as much experience as me. So it was kind of on me to come up with processes and which is scary like but good like it's what you want. Um but yeah so so when I started we I think Angel Angel was fairly new. Angel and Jarodel um we hadn't launched Cynergel at that point so we were just we were pl about to launch or planning to launch the Art Gels fairly soon. So labeling them is one of the first things I worked on. But then that kind of that project grew arms and legs and um they ended up they didn't launch for quite well. But um yeah art gels Cynergel trying to work out like collections like when I started the collection banners were um not banners sorry sleeves but were quite basic. Right. And I kind of said to Becca I was like would you be open to seeing something a bit different and she was like yeah yeah because I just thought like there's such an opportunity there to do something like cool with it yeah and something different. So that's kind of how those like themed uh sleeves came about. Yeah. So we do like a different one for every collection now like um and it's really it just looks really cute.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

Like I saw I can't I'm sorry I can't remember who this uh customer was but they'd put a post on the Facebook group um with their gels displayed with like the collection sleeve behind each and then like in front of it and it looked so cute and I was just like oh yeah that um I've got like so many questions here for you and that that brings me up like that brings up this question where it's um what one design from nail order which one which one was done before your time that you would want to change okay uh done before my time I'm trying to think because actually we've changed a lot of them now uh I don't know because actually the only one I can really think of right now um is the extensions starter kit box and I know that Becca did that and it I actually think it's really good and I probably wouldn't change much but there's maybe opportun there's even opportunities for things that I think we could change even that I've worked on just to like elevate and make things a bit slicker from like a production and uh like label management point of view and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

So maybe things like how we could update like angel wraparound labels for pots or um what would you do? So obviously on every angel label we've got the wraparound label uh that's got the colour on the side. Now we did that because obviously a lot of pots and um like bottles and stuff they only have an indicator like on the top or on the bottom so you have to like look at it to see. But we thought well you've got your indicator on the top and if you've got it on the side as well you can quickly grab because if you've got them stacked or whatever you'll be able to still see what the colour is. But we ha we didn't do that with Cinnergel and we haven't had a lot of feedback in terms of that that is a problem.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

Right I don't know if we wouldn't because no one's ever mentioned that before so I don't know if we do something like that maybe with the angel and potentially Jiragel going forward that it's like one communal wraparound label.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Yeah. And then just your indicator on the top.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

It's interesting to like be part of these processes in a business where things are brand new and then like revisiting design thinking we could have done like so many different things with it. Yeah but you don't know until you do it do you?

SPEAKER_00 26:43

No you just you don't like yeah you don't know.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

I have tons of questions so I'm gonna like do these quick fire questions with you and we're already quite far into this episode so I'm thinking I'll ask you these questions and then we'll get into like all of the things for business in the next episode. Yes. Um so what is one design that you've done here that you would do over I guess you've kind of touched on that with Angel but maybe like a is there a certain collection that you would um I don't love the sleeve for the autumn harvest collection.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

Really? No I don't like it. Why? I just wasn't in love with it. Oh I actually like it. I love that one the pumpkins yeah I just didn't I didn't super duper love it. Um but also probably things like labels could just I just feel like we could overhaul it.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

I just don't know how yeah okay fair dose um is there a design that you wish that you said no to oh be shy. I don't think so like a design in terms of like maybe that someone else is like put forward and we we ran with it that you wish we'd we didn't do I can't think of anything like off the top of my head like maybe in socials and stuff there's designs that I wish that I had a hand in that at the time I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Yeah that's fair um but that's just more from a like yeah wanting things to be as perfect as possible. Like elevate elevating everything I'm so sorry I fear that I'm gonna have a cough and sorry Chris I'm sorry one eternity later who do you enjoy designing with um from a passion point of view uh I like working with Becca she often has like really good ideas that you just like we talk about spark boom a lot in the larger bit is that like as a creative quite often working in isolation is not the best because you sometimes you've been looking at something for too long and you just need that I agree sometimes you just need to step away from it too because you're going a bit blind almost yeah yeah yeah um and from uh like social graphics and stuff I would have to say I like working with you I think you're very happy I think you've got a really natural ability for like social things but you're also really receptive to like any feedback and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 29:37

Like it's yeah I feel like that comes from a place of not self-doubt but just like I don't ever want to be the person that's like my idea is the best idea and I'm really open to like other people's ideas. So I think it's always the best way to be because like you said like collaboration makes design. So yeah that's where that comes from if you could change the colour scheme what colours would you choose?

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Oh I don't think I would was it the nail order design like that before you started? The logo um so I did do uh a kind of update to the logo a tweak if you like um just to kind of just to bring it together a bit better make it flow a little bit better and so yeah I did do a little uh change to that but colour scheme I don't think I change it yeah I love it yeah it's so iconic it works so well like I wouldn't yeah no it's it's a brand scheme it does I couldn't really imagine it being like I don't know like with neutral colours or I couldn't imagine it with anything else no I wouldn't change it fair um what is one tool that you couldn't live without Adobe creative suite take it away from I don't use Adobe but I do hear conversations about it sometimes and I'm like that must be very important. It's any software but it's for for the stuff that I do like socials and things I could manage with Canva no bother but for any retouching things you need Photoshop for um for packaging artwork has to be Illustrator um it's just industry standard software yeah so yeah I can't I can't live without that um and what is one tool that you would like to add ooh and you can have anything I promise you on the Numbs pod I would like a full team thank you an assistant please please yeah no there are definitely some weeks where I'm like an assistant I need an assistant um but I think um what actually a printer see a printer that was that had good colour calibration that I could print stuff off full size before I send it off to print that would be the dream.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

Yeah I feel like stuff like that is good as well just for before launch kind of collating ideas and around and thinking like okay we can literally imagine this product now so yeah back in small business things.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Inc is expensive.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

I think contextually people need to understand like when Sam is working on a project like the time frame for these things is really small. But again that's because we are small business and things are like coming to us like as and when they are ready and we are like preparing for lunch like literally like weeks before. So the turnaround is really um I'd say like probably since starting like we've we've had more time to work in these things. I don't know if that's true.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

Oh 100% but we've got so much better um but obviously carve balls are thrown our way um but um on the whole in terms of the way that things are briefed in the timelines that we're given to work on things and or that we have to work on things has improved greatly I would say in terms of like organization and stuff. It's something that I've like spoken to Becca a lot about and she's definitely like been receptive to that.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Yeah. I will say it does keep things like fresh and fun and like whenever we come in there's something new to work on which is it's actually like a lot of fun. Um but I'm just I'm I'm picturing back to like when you were making like the outside of unicorn tears and I feel like that was just yesterday.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Oh yeah and I things move so quickly like yeah the weeks are just flying away and it yeah you know it does it feels like you if that was like five minutes ago and then I'll look like if I'm sometimes I need to check when labels were ordered or something like that. And I'll be like oh yeah I'm sure that was just like last month and then I look and it was in like November or something.

SPEAKER_03 33:54

I've got two more questions for you. So where do you see yourselves in one to five years?

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Oh one to five years. So I would love to like still be here um that would be amazing. As I said I would love to have a little team um like I management experience isn't something that I've uh that I've had a much of if any um experience in I would love to like mentor somebody into that so I would love if that was part of my experience in that time um also maybe uh bringing in more art direction like obviously art direction has been added to my role fairly recently I guess um but it's something that I'd like to build on and do more of uh and hopefully working on lots more products maybe more brands who knows yeah um what is your one wish for the future of Neil Order um so it's really hard I have lots of wishes for the future of Neil Order like growth and prosperity but also harmony and like just uh obviously no journey is ever gonna be um straightforward but I just think that it's such a great we brand and or fairly big brand now. No it's getting bigger. But I I just think I would love for more and more nail techs to to discover it and for things to like to grow like they have been and you know just yeah for team nail order to be happy and and everybody still have a bit of fun as well.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

Yeah I feel like we'll always have a bit of fun for sure. It'll always be a bit fun. Yeah. Um yeah it's like that thing like because recently we've been looking for like more staff and things and there's a part in the indeed like listen that's like we're on a journey like do you want to be part like do you want to come along for the ride and I'm like really it is a journey.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

Yeah it is oh like I've gone I started off on two days a week I now do four. When I started it was only 10 to 4 and now we do like 9 to 5 on a Monday and Tuesday. Yeah and like it it's just in the scope of like the number of products and shades and I think when I started there was maybe like 120 colours or something. There there wasn't a huge huge product maybe like 140. Really? But now there's like what over 250 or something?

SPEAKER_03 36:36

Yeah like loads and yeah it's it it's just the scope is just the brand's evolved a lot as well like I I could literally go on for ages but like even this morning when we found X Gloss and I'm like what is that? But like that product like things like things have changed so much and they will continue to change probably things that we're talking about now like they'll be completely different in two years' time. It will be funny to come back and watch this episode. Yeah I actually think that we will split this up into another episode. If you guys want to join us next week on the podcast um we're gonna do a deep dive onto how to utilize graphic design to elevate your business almost um like basically what Sam would do if she was a nail tech and start an what she would do with graphic design which I think would be really really helpful for you guys so make sure you join us next week. Be sure to like comment subscribe and share this with I don't know if I told you this Sam but you need to pick someone to share this um podcast episode with pick someone yeah like what you what you mean like uh at the end of every podcast it's share this with your your friends share this with your friends we'll see you in the next one guys bye I want to put them on the spot because they always say like the most random things