What happened to Lisa Dorrian?

In February 2005, 25-year-old Lisa Dorrian attended a party at a caravan park in County Down, Northern Ireland. By the following morning, she had vanished without a trace.

More than two decades later, investigators believe Lisa was murdered, yet her body has never been found. Hundreds of searches, countless interviews, and years of relentless campaigning by her family have failed to answer the question that still haunts everyone who knew her: What happened to Lisa Dorrian? 

In this episode of Recipe for Murder, we examine the final days of Lisa's life, reconstruct the timeline leading up to her disappearance, explore the many twists in one of Northern Ireland's most enduring unsolved murder investigations, and discuss the unwavering determination of her family—especially her sister Joanne—to keep Lisa's name in the public eye while searching for the truth. We also look at the police theories, the years of silence surrounding the case, and the recent developments that have renewed hope that someone, somewhere, may finally come forward. 

Some cases fade with time. This one never has. And until Lisa is brought home, her story remains unfinished.

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Hey true Crown Foodies, welcome to Recipe for Murder. Hey guys, and welcome back to a brand new episode of Recipe for Murder, where True Crime Meets the Kitchen with me, your host, Laura Michelle. If this is your first time listening, welcome. And if you are returning, thank you so much for coming back. I really appreciate the support. I've got a little more small talk today. Um, so if you're not interested in that, just skip forward for a few minutes. I was recently asked how I came up with the idea for a recipe for murder, and there's two parts. One is my absolute love of food, and then my passion for true crime. The kitchen has always been my happy place. It's where I go to unwind, be creative. I love everything about the cooking process. I love chopping the vegetables, preparing the ingredients, just getting everything ready to make the meal. And at the same time, I've always been absolutely fascinated by true crime, just understanding the psychology behind the case and just learning about the victim and knowing their story. So one day I decided to combine the two things that I'm really passionate about, which is true crime and cooking. And that is how recipe for murder came to life. And on that note, we're going to move on to my recipe of the week. And this week, it's perfect for summer, and you will be the star of the potluck or neighborhood picnic if you bring this dish. It is citrus with tomato and burrata with balsamic vinaigrette. It is probably the prettiest dish I have ever made. It is really, really good. People love it. You can eat it as is or get some crusty bread to put on it. Um, it's so good. I will link the recipe. And my next one is the killer ingredient of the week. And today it's sun-dried tomatoes, also a really great ingredient to use in summer recipes. But if you have not used them, you are really missing out on just like a really rich, easy ingredient. Throw them in a pasta salad or an omelet or sandwiches, put them on pizza. Um, they're really, really good. It's now a pantry staple of mine. If you have not used them in a long time, please do yourself a favor and buy a jar or a package next time you go to the grocery store. Now we're gonna move on to the reason that we are all really here, and that is this week's case. And this one is going to really frustrate you because it's one of those cases that is still unsolved, and it is absolutely solvable because somebody knows where she is. Today we're talking about the disappearance of Lisa Dorian. Like I said, somebody knows something, and likely it's more than one person, but the problem is nobody's talking. And Lisa didn't vanish off of a dark road or while out hiking. She was with a group of friends at a little beach house, and she disappeared after a party on a Sunday night, a party with a pretty like small group of people. According to investigators, those friends know exactly what happened to her and they've known from the very beginning. Yet somehow, 21 years later, her family still doesn't know where she is. And the more you learn about the case, the more frustrating it becomes. But before we get into the night she went missing, let's talk about Lisa. She was born on June 12, 1979, to her parents, John and Patricia, and was the oldest of four girls, Lisa, Joanne, Michelle, and Sierra. They grew up in Bangor County Down, a remote seaside town, approximately 15 miles east of Belfast, and this is Northern Ireland. And it's important to this case to talk about the political climate during the time and a brief history of its origin. Now, at the time of this case, there was still political unrest in Northern Ireland. For 30 years, Northern Ireland was consumed by a conflict known as the Troubles, which was a bitter and often bloody struggle between Republican paramilitary groups fighting for a united Ireland and loyalist groups determined to remain part of the United Kingdom and British security forces were kind of caught in the middle. During this time, more than 3,500 people were killed. There were bombings, shootings, punishment beatings, and just violence everywhere. And so whole communities grew up learning who could be trusted and who couldn't, and when silence was the safest option. Now by 2005, the worst of it was over. The Good Friday Agreement had been signed years earlier, and most people were cautiously optimistic about the future. But of course, a piece of paper did not mean that the paramilitaries had gone away. In certain small towns and villages, former paramilitary members still held enormous power, and some groups remained deep in criminal activity, such as drug trafficking, extortion, and intimidation. And many residents believed that these organizations were still controlling a lot of what was happening behind closed doors. And the fear of what could happen to those who spoke out was very, very real. So if anybody knew anything about these paramilitary groups, I'm going to refer to as gangs from now on because paramilitary can be hard to say after a while. But people were afraid if they spoke out against them, that something would happen to them. So on the surface of where Lisa lived and worked seemed to be peaceful and clean, but that's not always the case. All right, now back to Lisa and their family. Their family was and still is incredibly close. Friends and family described her as outgoing and full of personality. She loved to laugh. She loved passion. She loved going out, listening to music, and spending time with the people that she cared about. She was confident and social, just the kind of person that could easily become the center of attention without even trying. By the time she reached her mid-20s, she was out on her own, renting a flat with a roommate. She worked at a little sandwich shop in Bangor, and she just spent time with her boyfriend and friends, went to clubs and parties, just enjoyed the freedom of being young, being 25 years old. In 2000, she did have a pretty bad accident where she fell on a mall escalator, causing really bad injuries to her legs. Now, she did make a full recovery, but the surgeries left pretty bad scarring on her legs. So from that point forward, she only wore boots. Even on vacation, it did not matter the weather. She wore boots all the time to, I guess, either cover up the scarring or just protect her ankles from getting damaged again. And it wasn't just any kind of boot, it was a very specific furry moon boot, is what they were called. By the summer of 2004, things were really looking up for her. She was notified that she was going to be receiving 50,000 pounds for a settlement as a result of the injuries, which today is equivalent to approximately 100,000 pounds, which is $140,000 in US money. So this is a lot of money, and she was really excited. This is life-changing money, especially for somebody who's only 25 years old. And she planned to use some of that money to move to Spain in the next summer of 2005. She wanted to start a jet ski rental business, and she had actually met with a financial advisor to come up with a business plan. So she had a lot of things going on and she had no plans to disappear. Another big change happened around this time of her life. Lisa and her long-term boyfriend Jamie had broken up after four years of dating. And it was a mutual decision. So it wasn't super devastating for either of them. But the problem was they had the same friends. And we all know that once a couple breaks up, there's only room for one of them in the friend group. And we've all been there. Whether or not you are a member of the friend group or you're part of the couple that breaks up, when all your friends are the same, it just makes it really uncomfortable for everybody. So she was having a really hard time hanging out with her friend when Jamie was there. So she talked to her sister Joanne, who suggested that she just take a break from the friend group for a while and to get some new friends. And that's exactly what she did. Fortunately, Lisa was funny, vivacious, and beautiful. Basically, the whole package, so making new friends just came really easy to her. Soon she found a whole new group of friends and she was spending her weekends going to raves and parties and clubs, just really living life and having a great time. But what Lisa didn't know, well, at least not at first, was this new friend group was connected to the darker side of the club scene. They were supplied drugs by various gang groups that operated criminal organizations in the area. And most of the friends in her new group were either connected to these gangs or members themselves. And the new friend group, it was mostly women. They would spend their weekends consuming massive amounts of ecstasy and amphetamines supplied by the gangs. And soon Lisa started using the drugs along with them. Now, her sister Michelle was the first to suspect that she was using drugs. The two had grown incredibly close because they've been going to parties and pubs together for years. But the new friend group changed that. They would take Lisa to these weekend-long raves or benders at a caravan park, which over here we would call a mobile home park. And I kind of I looked it up online and it reminds me of um little campgrounds that you see close to a beach. This particular one, they all look exactly the same, little cottage-style houses in this little area off the coast. And this is when Michelle and Lisa started drifting apart. Lisa kept her new friend group very private. So Michelle was really the only one who knew a little bit about them. But because they were kind of going their different ways, Michelle was no longer there to, you know, get information from Lisa. So nobody really knew anything about her new friend group. And now the rest of the family started to notice a change in Lisa, starting with her weight. She was always watching her weight by dieting, but she was never happy with the results. To her, nothing seemed to work. But now Lisa was clearly underweight and they could see her hip bones and just knew that something was going on. But Lisa seemed really happy with her body, but her family was really worried about her. They knew her history with weight loss struggles, so their brains immediately went to drugs. Sudden, unexplained weight loss is one of the first indicators that someone has started abusing drugs. Eventually, Lisa's drug habit became so bad that she lost her job. And now she has no source of income, but fortunately, she had recently started dating a new man and he decided to take care of her financially. He had known connections to these gang groups and he showered her with money, gifts, vacation, and of course, drugs. By December of 2004, she was in such bad shape, both physically and mentally, that she decided to seek help from a counselor. She sent her mom a Christmas card that said, quote, Drugs are for mugs, and I am a mug no more, end quote. Which gave her family a lot of hope that she was going to get herself cleaned up. Joanne, Lisa's sister, wanted to know more about her new boyfriend, so she asked Lisa what he did for work, and she said that he was a joiner, which is a carpenter here in the U.S. Joanne later said that there were never any tools at his house and he didn't go anywhere during the week like a job, so they suspected he was really a drug dealer. Lisa's weight continued to drop even after she promised to get clean. But by Christmas, they knew that she was still using because she looked very unhealthy. By January, Lisa started to withdraw from her family. Her mom said that she dropped by her place while passing by, and her friend answered the door and said that Lisa had gone shopping, but her mom, Pat, thinks that Lisa was just upstairs avoiding her. And shortly after, shortly after, Pat noticed a car parked at Lisa's flat, which was covered in trash and scratches. And when she asked what happened, she just made up an excuse and dismissed the conversation. And even though Lisa's lifestyle seemed to be declining, she was still in really high spirits. Even though Lisa's lifestyle seemed to be declining, she was still in really high spirits. In the last week of February, she was hanging out with her sister Joanne, who later said that she was in a really good mood and was super excited about the weekend, and there was no indicator that anything bad was going on in her life. Joanne did take the opportunity to have a conversation with Lisa about the drugs and her new friend group. She asked Lisa what her boyfriend really did for work because clearly he was not a carpenter and what her plans were for the future. And Lisa responded, quote, stop giving me the Spanish Inquisition, Joanne, which is a term when someone feels like they are being bombarded with unexpected or excessive questions about their whereabouts, their actions, or decisions. And it was at that point that Joanne decided she needed to find out more about her friends and her boyfriend. And she asked someone to look into Lisa's boyfriend, and that person stated, quote, get Lisa away from him. Sadly, Joanne would not even have the chance to try. On February 27th, 2005, Lisa planned to attend a party at the Bali Harbor Caravan Park. It was actually one of those um vendor weekend parties that started on Friday the 25th. So it's just all weekend long was going to be one big party bouncing around from house parties to pubs to the caravan park. Now, unbeknownst to Joanne, Lisa and her boyfriend did break up. And Lisa was planning to use this weekend to help with the heartache that comes with the breakup. And the weekend was packed. Like I said, the weekend was packed and she spent the weekend bouncing around to all the different house parties and pubs. And she did go home for a few hours before returning to the home of Naomi Drysdale for another party that lasts well into the early morning hours of Sunday, February 27th. Later that day, she went to the liquor store to stock up for the party that night at the caravan park. And at this time of the year, the park was practically empty. February is the second coldest month in Ireland, with temperatures dropping below zero. The Irish Sea is brutal. It's cold, it's windy. So most people don't want to be near the water. But this is the perfect time and place to throw a party. You don't have to worry about noise complaints. If you want to bring drugs or drink or anything, like this caravan park is practically empty. So to them, it was a really good idea to have a party there. The park was actually built on an old airfield used in World War II. Lisa attended the party wearing a white t-shirt, cream colored bottoms, and her signature moon boots. And this does become kind of important later on. The party was not big. There were approximately 12 other people there, and most were all under the influence of hard drugs. Among the friends was the 17-year-old groundskeeper, Mark Lovett. Throughout the night, the group drank, they used drugs, just partied all night long, and slowly people started to drift out and the party came to an end, leaving just Lisa and Mark. The two continued to use heavy drugs such as ecstasy and amphetamines. There was one person at the party who decided to stay sober that night, and he called Mark the next day around 1.30 p.m. to check on them. And he later said that while they were at the party, Lisa and Mark appeared to be hallucinating due to all the drugs they were taking. So he was just calling to make sure that they were okay. Now, this man has never been identified, but he did say that Mark did answer his phone call and was completely incoherent. He said that he claimed to be seeing things and was just rambling and eventually hung up. Later that day, so now we're at Monday. Joanne called Lisa to check on her, but she didn't answer. And this was not a big deal at the time. Joanne just assumed that Lisa partied too hard and was sleeping off a hangover, and she would just try again later or the next day and go from there. So now we're at Tuesday. Lisa's ex-boyfriend received a call from Mark on a phone that Lisa left behind. And so I know that sounds kind of confusing, but her boyfriend had given her a cell phone to use, and when they broke up, she gave the phone back. And so that's the phone that he received the call on. Mark was actually calling from a landline at the caravan park, and he asked if he had seen Lisa, but he had not. Lisa's roommate called Joanne the same day, saying that Lisa had never come home from the weekend party and asked if she knew where she was, but of course she didn't. Joanne asked more questions, just trying to piece together Lisa's last movements. And the roommate said that Mark had been calling around, asking if anyone had seen her. And I am kind of confused how this 17-year-old Mark got wrapped up with this group of 20-something year olds and how he has everybody's number. I know that probably doesn't matter. It just seems really strange to me. The roommate gave Mark's number to Joanne and she called him. And what Mark said shocked and terrified her. He said that around 4 45 a.m. they saw flashing lights and heard voices and decided to run out of the caravan. And it scared them so much that they were holding hands running, but at some point they got separated and he couldn't find her. And that was the last time that he saw her. Now, because this was the off season, all the streetlights at the park were turned off. So it was pitch black. And if he's telling the truth and they got separated, it is plausible that finding her would have been very hard. She told him that he needed to call the police to tell them what happened since he was the last one to see her. But in the meantime, she continued to call Lisa's phone, hoping she would answer. Joanne called their mom Pat and they decided to go to the police themselves. Joanne actually went to the station and reported Lisa missing and stated that she was last seen with people who were known to do heavy drugs, and they said they would look into it and report back, but per policy, they have to wait three days before looking into it. Three days. That is so much wasted time. This time is critical. So Joanne, and we love Joanne, she decided to take matters in her own hands and she drove to the caravan park to talk to Mark to find out everything she could about Lisa's disappearance. Joanne had never been to the Bali Halbert caravan park, and while she was driving there, she was worried, thinking that there was no way Lisa could survive in these elements. The longer she drove around, she began to think of the possibility that Lisa might have died of hypothermia. Joanne entered the little house and found Mark sitting alone. He appeared to be disheveled and began telling her the story of the weekend. He said that Lisa was annoyed with her ex-boyfriend, who we now know is Jimmy Mills, and she just wanted to have a fun weekend, and he gave the events of the weekend which aligned with what Joanne had already heard from other people, such as the roommate. He also said that Joanne asked if Jimmy had come to the caravan at all that weekend, and he said no, but he offered to drive her to Jimmy's house so she could talk to him. When they got there, someone other than Jimmy answered the door, and she explained that she was Lisa's sister and she was missing, but the asshole who answered the door stated, quote, more like missing in the head, which is so rude. I'm not sure who came to the door, if it was a man or a woman. My gut tells me it was another woman, but I don't know. But eventually, Jimmy did come to the door and he said that he had not heard from Lisa. Joanne called the police to give them all this information, but they were still in that three-day window and they didn't act on it. The next day, Lisa's family ramped up the search and they drove to the caravan park to search for Lisa. After searching the park and surrounding areas, they went back to the park and questioned an office worker who told them exactly what Mark had already told them, so there's no information. Oh, note, Lisa's purse and other personal items were still in the house. They continued to search, but they found nothing. And sadly at this point, they were looking for Lisa's body because they knew that had she run out of the caravan, there's no way she could have survived long in those temperatures. And specifically, they were keeping an eye out for those furry moon boots because they thought, one, she always wears them and they might be easy to spot. Finally, finally, the police began their investigation and they called the family and asked for one of Lisa's shoes so a dog could track her scent. Joanne later said that when they placed the shoe in the evidence bag, that's when it occurred to her that something else might have happened. On March 7th, police questioned drivers who were on the roads at the time Lisa disappeared. They also asked the family to make media appearances with their first being near the caravan park, but Pat refused to go. She wanted to make the media appearances, but she said she could never step foot in that park ever again, but did encourage her daughters to do so. Detectives also identified and questioned the other caravan owners who were on site that night, which were very few, keep in mind, were off season, and none of them recalled hearing loud noises or seeing flashing lights early on in the morning of February 28th. But Mark claimed that this was happening at 4 45 a.m. where most people would be asleep. So if he was telling the truth, and if these things actually happened, a lot of people might have slept through that. On the ninth day of Lisa's disappearance, the police informed the family that it had officially turned into a murder investigation, but they didn't say why. So they are keeping whatever information they have very close to the vest. The public was informed the next day. The police kicked off an extensive search with land, air, and sea. To date, there have been over 400 searches for Lisa's body and not one thing has ever been recovered. Investigators received thousands of tips, but they didn't lead anywhere. No blood was found in the caravan, so police have early theories that she was strangled and then taken somewhere to be buried or taken out to sea. But still, they have no evidence to support this. But if this is the case, then all fingers point to Mark, right? He was the last person to see her, and keep in mind, he is the caretaker of this property, so he would know where to hide a body. Also, this is a family operation. So if he's responsible, he could have easily gotten help from his dad or another family member. But what if they were on drugs and what if he was telling the truth? Shortly after, an unknown man was arrested and brought in for questioning, but eventually he was released. Her ex Jimmy was also a suspect considering his sketchy past and his criminal record, but he cooperated and he was eventually ruled out. Two months after her disappearance, the family raised a 10,000 pound reward for anyone with information that will lead to finding her, and they put their entire lives on hold and dedicated all their time and energy to this search. And her father said that he cannot her father said that they cannot grieve properly until they give her a proper Christian burial. Her sister Joanne was attending Ulster University at the time and she left her studies to look for her sister. You know who wasn't looking, and this is not going to surprise you. Her friends, not a single friend helped with a search or even reached out to her family to offer condolences. It was like they truly did not give a shit about her disappearance. They just don't care. Around the same time, graffiti started popping up around the area. Which said LVF Lady Killers, and LVF stands for Loyalist Volunteer Force, and it's one of the paramilitary criminal organizations in the area. So another gang. And remember that most of the people in her circle of friends, well, so-called friends, were either closely connected to these organizations or were members themselves. It's believed that another group, the UVF, which is the Ulster Volunteer Force, is trying to blame her disappearance on the LVF. So basically, it's the different gangs pointing to each other. There was also another group called the Red Hand Commando, and they were also being looked at, possibly being connected to her disappearance. Journalists met with leaders of two of these organizations, but they were met with what's known as the wall of silence. In other words, nobody is talking. Now, the UVF did perform an internal investigation, which was led by a convicted murderer, Samuel Cook, who took part in the murder of Anna Marie Smith. She was a 26-year-old Catholic mother. In 1992, she was lured to a loyalist party in Belfast by UVF members, and there she was killed. The results of the internal investigation were never made public, but this does not surprise anybody. The police officer heading the investigation, Mark Dornen, issued a statement regarding their internal investigation, and he said, quote, these gangs have no moral or legal authority and they will end up causing more crime. Mark dispatched 150 officers. He spoke to over 1,200 people and still got nothing. Either they didn't know what happened or they weren't talking. The wall of silence is very, very real at this time. Politician Lady Sylvia Herman spoke out and said, quote, these organizations are not just making the Dorians' lives misery. There are hundreds upon hundreds of people in this area living in misery under these thugs. My view would be that anyone suspected of paramilitary crimes such as Lisa's disappearance should have all their assets frozen and have to explain where their wealth came from. It's the only way to stop it. End quote. Police and Lisa's family desperately relied on the community for tips in finding Lisa, but sadly, once it was made public that these gangs might be involved, people stopped talking. Tips stopped coming in. And Police and Lisa's family have both stated publicly that there is absolutely no evidence that links Lisa's disappearance to any of these gangs, but still nobody's talking. On Lisa's 26th birthday, June 12, 2005, four months after her disappearance, her family released 26 white balloons and made another public appeal asking for information. Earlier, billboards were hung in major cities and highways and flyers were placed in movie theaters. Even the band Snow Patrol supported the search for Lisa by wearing blue ribbons during their 2006 performance in Belfast. They even wrote the family saying that they wanted to support the family in their search. Over the years, rumors circulated as to what happened to her. One theory suggested that Lisa was in debt to a local drug dealer for about 20,000 pounds. Another was that her body was placed in the trunk of a car and taken somewhere but crashed, and this one was proven false. Another was that she was placed in a barrel and hidden somewhere before being taken out to sea. And numerous arrests were made in this case from 2005 onward. In 2006, 2019, 2021, and most recently in late 2025 and early 2026, but no one has ever been charged. On March 10th, 2005, two men were arrested in connection with Lisa's murder, but were released without charge after 24 hours of questioning. Again, on June 14, 2005, an 18-year-old man was arrested by the police in question for her murder, but once again he was released. On August 11, 2005, a 22-year-old man was arrested and questioned about her murder, but nothing. On February 20th, 2006, three men were arrested in question, and all three were released. A few days later, February 22nd, 2006, at a news conference in Bangor, Detective Superintendent George Hamilton announced that PSNI believed Lisa's body may have been dumped at sea between late July and early August 2005, having first been stored somewhere on land, and the police appealed for information, and police appealed for information about a 17-foot orange or red boat that they might have used in the disposal of her remains. On April 5th, 2019, a 49-year-old man and a 34-year-old woman were arrested and questioned regarding her murder, but they were released on bail after 24 hours. According to the Belfast Telegraph, the 49-year-old man who was arrested was a former member of the staff at the caravan park. The same newspaper reported that that 34-year-old was Naomi Drysdale, and she was the one who threw a house party the same weekend that she disappeared. She was the one that had the house party the night before the caravan party. Just last year, on February 27, 2005, police released CCTV footage that showed Lisa visiting the Saltwater Brig Gastro pub just after 1 p.m. on February 26, 2005, in hope that the last known images of her would prompt potential witnesses to remember something or just to come forward. The press release also included still images of her outside the Loch and Quay pub shortly before 11 p.m. the previous evening. On December 8, 2025, the major investigation team announced that a 68-year-old man had been arrested on suspicion of her murder and related offenses, including assisting offenders, withholding information, and preventing a lawful burial, but he was released without charge the same day. Reports media reports later identified him as a prisoner serving a lengthy sentence for a violent crime. On February 25th, 2026, detectives arrested a 40-year-old woman in Bangor and a 42-year-old man in Scotland on suspicion of murder, assisting offenders, withholding information, and preventing a lawful burial. Both individuals were released on bail the following day pending further questions. Media reports identified the woman as the former girlfriend of a convicted drug dealer who had been in Lisa's close circle around the time of her disappearance, and the man was identified as a violent career criminal with previous convictions of cocaine dealing, assault, and possession of an offensive weapon. On March 4th, 2026, detectives made another arrest of a 40-year-old man on suspicion of assisting offenders and withholding information, but he was also released on bail. On March 5th, 2026, detectives arrested a 48-year-old man with the exact same charges listed above, assisting offenders, preventing lawful burial, but once again, he was released. In response to the recent series of arrests, Lisa's sister Joanne revealed to Belfast Live that an individual had approached her in 2025 with, quote, significant information regarding what happened to Lisa the night she disappeared. And this information was then handed over to the police. Detectives have held names and tips very close to the vest, but in 2019, PSNI Detective Superintendent Murphy released their most likely theory. They now believed that Lisa had been murdered by a single person inside that caravan, possibly between 1030 p.m. and 115 AM. Forensic exams of the caravan found no traces of blood or evidence that there was any attempt to clean up the scene. Detectives believed that she was most likely strangled or suffocated, potentially while resisting a sexual assault. Murphy said that the perpetrator then summoned another person to assist in disposing of the body. And because nobody has ever come forward, they're saying that whoever was contacted to help dispose of the body was most likely an immediate family member. To this day, not a trace of Lisa has ever been found. Nothing. What happened to her that night? And police have never released a complete list of everyone who was inside the caravan. And the people who were there, they're not talking. And three days were wasted before police began their investigation. And those early hours and days are absolutely critical. People's memories are fresh. They remember details. Timelines can be confirmed. But that didn't happen for Lisa. Over the years, the people that were willing to break that wall of silence and talk about Lisa's case, their memory had changed. They didn't remember the time frame the way they did back then. Investigators have never publicly released what they found during their investigation, but they have repeatedly made it clear and they believe that the people who were in that caravan know exactly what happened to her. So what do we think happened to her? Do we think it was Mark or local gangs or both? And they're all connected to the seedier side of the area. So what happened did Mark kill her and call his dad to help? Did Mark kill her and call a gang member to come and help with the body? Or is Mark telling the truth and gang members showed up and ran them out and Lisa was taken? Or did a gang member show up and take her and tell Mark to not say anything and he was too scared? I mean, what about the money? She was supposed to get 50,000 pounds. Did she ever get the money? And if she did, did somebody know about it? Because we all know that money can be a major motivation for somebody to cause somebody harm. It's driving me crazy. Somebody knows something. This case is solvable. It's been 21 years since her family has seen Lisa and they deserve justice. They deserve to know what happened to their loved one, and they deserve to bring her remains home and to bury her. It is just oh so frustrating. But that shows the fear that these gangs have instilled among this community. It is more than likely that several people know what happened to Lisa that night, and nobody's saying anything. Okay, that is the case for today. It is really frustrating if somebody knows something, they just need to say something that's well, even if it's anonymous, you don't have to give your name. Just any kind of tip that would lead detectives to find out what happened to Lisa to bring Lisa home to her family. So infuriating. Okay, we're gonna move on to a palette cleanser because I could talk about this for so long and I just need to wrap it up. Playing off of last week, I asked you guys if there was anything that you only buy the name brand of. And I told you mine, it was catch up its hinds. On the flip side of that, do you have something that you refuse to buy the name brand of because it's too expensive? So you only buy it when it's on sale. I do. Once again, it is a condiment and it is a one steak sauce that I absolutely love. I think what they charge for is absolutely ridiculous. So I told you guys I had a funny story about A1 sauce. I'm gonna tell that story to you today. This is when my youngest daughter was probably, I don't know, four years old, and we only bought the generic um A1 sauce, and so me and my ex-husband would jokingly call it A2. So it's just, hey, we hand me the A2 sauce. Well, I went even cheaper and I bought like the cheapest of the cheap A1 sauce. So when I brought that home, we joked about how cheap it was, and we began to call it our A3 sauce. And my youngest daughter, um, one of us said, Hey, we grabbed the A3 sauce, and she was like, You mean A2 sauce, mommy? And that's how cheap I am. She actually thought that A1 sauce was really called A2 because I refused to buy the actual name brand. So, yeah, that's just a silly little story of um my steak sauce. Okay, I'm gonna end it there. Thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate your support. If you don't mind, to like or subscribe to whatever you are listening to this on and spread the word. I hope you all have an amazing rest of your week. And until next time, stay safe and hungry for justice. Bye.