Strategy Won't Build It. Talent Won't Keep It. Only This Will. | Allen & Stacy Jo

Intimacy with God, abiding in Christ, and Kingdom legacy are the focus of Season 7, Episode 2 of Faithfully Invested with Allen & Stacy Jo. 

Before anything lasting is built, one foundation must be solid:
 your relationship with God.

In this episode, Allen and Stacy Jo unpack John 15 and what it truly means to abide in the vine, showing why intimacy with God is not optional for leaders who want to build a legacy that outlives them. 

They address a common struggle:
 You can be doing all the right things…
 and still feel spiritually disconnected.

That’s not failure.
 That’s a signal.

In this episode, they discuss:

•  Why intimacy with God is the foundation of Kingdom legacy 
•  The difference between results and spiritual fruit 
•  How busyness and success can lead to disconnection 
•  Why competence can replace dependence 
•  What it looks like to lead from overflow 
•  How to recognize when you’ve drifted 
•  Why the invitation to return is always available 

Key takeaway:
You can build results without abiding…
but you cannot build lasting fruit.

Reflection question:
Are you abiding… or just doing?

When we stay faithfully invested, God brings the increase.

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Transcript

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Hey, welcome back to Faithfully Invested where we explore biblical truth concerning leadership, marriage and mission. As always, I'm Allen And I'm Stacy Jo. Welcome back, friends. We are in season seven, Kingdom Legacy. And if you missed episode one, go back and start there because we laid the foundation for everything this season is building toward and you are going to want the context.

But if you're caught up, let's just get going because episode two is one I have really been excited to get to. Yeah, yeah, me too. Today we're talking about the foundation of Kingdom Legacy. And I'm going to just tell you right up front, when most people think about legacy, they think about what they're building, what they're going to leave behind and the impact that they want to have. And all that matters. But, and that's a big but.

Before any of that. But before any of that becomes what God intends it to be, there's one foundation that must be solid. There is one absolute non-negotiable. Yeah, I'm going to tell them what that is. You do that, Intimacy with God.

There it is. The abiding, know, the deep rooted ongoing relationship with Jesus that is the source of all that endures. Right. And now for those of you who have been with us in season one, yes, we did. We dedicated a full seven episode season to intimacy with God.

And if you're new or here and you've not walked through that season, well, feel free to jump back and check it out. And you'll be glad you did. You will be glad you did. But here's why we're revisiting it now. We're not doing it just to repeat it, but we want to look at it through a new lens. And season one, we asked, you know, what is intimacy with God and how do we cultivate it? Today, we're we're asking a different question. Today, we're asking what does intimacy with God specifically produce in a life?

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of a kingdom legacy builder.

So what is the connection between abiding and some people are like, what's abiding? What is the abiding is simple. It simply means to remain and you got to remain. our context today is coming from from John 15 and talking about remaining, how we as the branches must remain in the vine. We got to abide with a line. We got to remain. The Lord calls us to remain as kingdom.

builders, as Christ followers, we must remain with Him. And then we'll produce as we abide with the Lord Jesus, then we will produce the kind of fruit that outlives us. That's right.

I think there is a certain struggle that is unique to people who've been walking with God for a long while and doing all the right things. Did you know that you can be doing all the things, all the right things, and you can still feel distance from God? Yeah. Yeah. I've experienced it. I know you've experienced it. Too many things. And that's...

you know, not in a dramatic crisis, not rebellion, but just, just thin and dry. Like the connection that used to feel so alive has become more routine than relational. Right. And that's what it's all about, babe. It's relational. I was talking with a guy about this earlier today. And when we get caught up in all the things we might be getting caught up in the religion, right? You know, trying, trying to make much of our deeds and, and

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all the things than making much of Jesus. that's... Well, that's subject for a whole nother is. That's whole nother season. It's way more than an episode. So we want to... Not to demonize the things, the things are necessary, but first and foremost, relation with the Creator, the Son, and the Spirit. So...

And that is a

That's one of the most disorienting feelings. What you were talking about is one of the most disorienting feelings any mature believer can have because when you're not doing anything obviously wrong, know, doing all the things, it's not wrong. You're doing your part in giving and serving and following and leading, but somewhere along the way, all that doing started to outpace the just being. The activity outran the abiding.

all the things got noisy. Yeah. Have you ever experienced that has doing all the things as it just got noisy as it gotten fatiguey. That's my word. I'm using it. And the noise I mean, the all the things got noisy and it started to drown out the simple just be still and know.

that he's God, the simple silence that we need to reset our daily zeros. Yeah, and I would say for leaders especially, and I'm preaching to myself here, there is this gravitational pull towards creativity and productivity. your calendar's full. It is. Your team needs you.

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your business or ministry demands direction. Decisions have to be made. prayer and genuine stillness before God, know, they don't...

put anything urgent on your calendar. So they keep getting nudged, they keep getting pushed further and further. And that's a really slippery slope to That's where legacy comes in, in a big way. So we gotta consider legacy, because the quality of what we're building is directly connected with the quality of our abiding. How well are we remaining

connected to the vine who is Jesus Christ. Not just the quantity of your output, but the quality. The quality of what it produces in people and in eternity, and that's what we're talking about. You cannot manufacture that kind of quality no matter how talented or experienced or anointed that you are. It only flows from the capital V vine who is Jesus Christ.

That was very dramatic, very dramatic. But here's the beautiful thing. And this is something I genuinely believe season one of this podcast Unlocked for so many of you, if you were with us during that time, you already know what wrench intimacy with God feels like. You've tasted it. You know the difference between just.

going through the motions and actually being with him. And so when we talk about this today, we're not introducing a new concept.

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We're calling you back to something you already know is real. And you already know that calling back to the center is necessary because we all need encouraged. We all need a little help resetting our zeros and all that contemptuous noise that you talked about. Yeah, we got to get out of that contemptuous noise and get still and stay connected. So we're going to take it right to the word we mentioned it. Where else should we take it?

Well, there's only one place to take That's right. And that's to the Word. like we mentioned just a little bit earlier, we're going into John 15. Main focus is on verses 4 & 5 where Jesus says, and whenever I see those two words, my ears perk up. like, when Jesus says, and what He says here, so I hope your ears perked up. He says, abide in me and I in you as the branch cannot bear

fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine. Neither can you unless you abide in me. I am the vine, Jesus says, and you are the branches. And whoever abides in me and I in them, he it is that bears much fruit for apart from me, you can do nothing.

I'm going to repeat that apart from me. You can do nothing. Nothing. That's what he said. Now, let's be careful here because Jesus is not saying you can't accomplish things in your own strength. He's not saying that at all. I mean, clearly people accomplish impressive things every day. Sure. But what he's saying is that none of it bears fruit that remains. None of it produces the kind of legacy that will outlast

us and point people to God. That nothing is specifically about kingdom fruit. And that's what we are after, is the kingdom fruit. The kingdom fruit, pointing people to God. That's what we're talking about there. Pointing our children's children to God. So, I guess we just lay the challenge out plainly. Go ahead.

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We can build results, like you said. We can build results without abiding, but you cannot build lasting kingdom fruit without remaining connected to the vine. The capital V vine. The capital V vine, the JC Vine the capital T Truth Vine Right. Jesus. And those two things, results.

and fruit, they can look identical from the outside. You can have a thriving business, growing ministry, an impressive, pardon me as I trip over my tongue, an impressive platform. But the difference is...

not always visible to the human eyes. It might look really great from the outside, but it is visible as we're going about it of our own strength and power and our own ideas disconnected from the vine. That is what's visible in eternity. And we want it to go into...

over and over again through generation and generation and it'll be visible as its absence, you know, and as we're being observed from eternity, you know, that's where it's visible. That's what we want to stay connected to the vine and abide.

And that's where it connects to legacy. mean, results can be impressive and still not outlast you, but spiritual fruit remains. Jesus said it specifically in John 15:16 He said, I chose and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit and that fruit would remain. Remain. Are you catching that? Are you catching that, Alan? I got it. You got it. When we abide in and with him, our spiritual

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journey provides a fruit that remains. So that is what we need to land that sort of impact that keeps going after we are gone. The lives that keep changing because of lives that were changed by our lives.

and that multiplication, you know, I love the word multiplication. that's the God of multiplication. And that's the DNA of Kingdom Legacy. And it only develops in those who decide to abide in Him. Yeah, absolutely. And of course, if you're in leadership, then then you know the demands, the demands of leadership have a gravitational pull toward

a lot of activity. Everything about leading a business, a family, a ministry is pulling you to all the doing, the deciding, and the ever-present pull toward the producing. It's what we do. It's what we do. In vast contrast, intimacy with God pulls us toward stillness.

and receiving and following instead of leading, we gotta learn to follow before we can lead. Have you ever noticed, and this is the real deal question, have you ever noticed that those two forces are in constant tension? Constant tension.

And the longer you've been in leadership, the more experienced and capable you become, right? And the more dangerous that tension gets because you have enough competence now that you can produce results without leaning on God. Yeah, as heavily, I should say leaning on God as heavily as you used to. And that is one of the most spiritually risky places that a mature leader can be. Because when your skill level makes it easy

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to coast on ability instead of abiding?

You don't want to be there. Yeah. And what we're saying in a nutshell there is that that competency can, if we allow it to our own competency can outshine intimacy. Yeah. And that's the slippery slope we're talking about. So do you remember, can you remember back the early seasons of building something when you were in over your head and you know it and you prayed consistently, you need God and you know you need

But as you grow, know, systems get put in place, businesses are established, and confident competence builds. And this is what we're talking about. And it takes diligent intentionality to maintain the same posture that we had in the beginning to the posture of dependence upon Him.

who made it all happen in the first place. And that's what separates, that's what separates our career from.

a legacy. Yeah, we want we what we want as kingdom leaders, or lead hers is legacy, legacy that outlives us. And again, that's what we're talking about here. And, you know, I'm going to get really honest about what that struggle looks like from the inside, because I want you to recognize that not in someone else, but in yourself. Because that's where freedom starts. I had to recognize this in myself. And I still have to recognize it. Sometimes on a daily

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basis, know, that, you know, as I started Freedom Support Solutions,

I was so dependent on God. I was dependent on Him for my direction, for the next step, or well, for my direction, for the next client, you know, all of that. And then as things started to flow and as the word got out there, it became really easy. It became really easy to just be self-reliant. And the challenge doesn't arrive as a crisis. Oftentimes, it just shows up as busyness.

You know, it shows up as that quiet time getting getting pushed off like like I said earlier to later and later can slowly become never and You know, I found that to be the case the busier I got the less time I had for God and as clients came in the more clients I had the busier I was and The more I would be like, yeah, I'll get to you God. I'll get to you but

that challenge shows up as a prayer that starts to feel more like handling, handing, or handling, handing. Now I'm tripping over my words. Handing God.

But it can feel like handing God your to-do list and actually having a conversation with Him. It can show up as decisions you make quickly from experience and competence and then mention to God on the back end, yeah, hey Lord, I went ahead and I handled that. And would you just like sign off on that and bless it, please? Yeah. And that's not the posture that we want to land on.

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And as a business owner, that's not a posture I wanna have. But in all truthfulness, I have found myself doing that exact thing. And then what makes this a little tricky is that sometimes God's so gracious that He'll sign off on that. Yeah, He will. He will. And then you think, that's right, I got this.

That's okay. And he's like, how far are you going to go with this whole, got this thing? Yeah. And, but he, he's not the finger waving God. No, that I grew up thinking he was. Right. And it's those, the, the whole, got this thing. That's the, those three words are so detrimental to any believers walk with them. I got this. Cause the moment we think that we got this, then, then we have fallen. Then we don't got this. We don't, we don't got this.

And the sooner we come back to I ain't got this the the better we are to Dependence the sooner the sooner we realign and reset reset our zeros on dependence on the father the son and the spirit the better better off we are but

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Grace. When God's grace over our prayerlessness is so consistent that we stop noticing the difference between leading from abiding and leading from ability, then like I said, you're falling down that proverbial slippery slope. Yeah. But the cool thing is that even as

we're walking in that direction and even as we're slipping and even as we're face planting, he's like, I'll be here when you're done. you know what the fruit of fight of abiding feels like when it's really flowing. It's not just results. It's the quality of what is produced. Yeah. It's the piece you carry while you are building. it's, you know, oftentimes the unusual clarity you have

when a decision that really should be complicated seems so easy. And it's the way people around you feel seen and loved rather than just well managed. I would say even when conversations go deeper than they had any reason to go, you can't manufacture those things. You just can't. They flow from the vine and only from the vine. Only from the vine. That's it. Everything we got.

God is stake. I love that Sunday. There was a Sunday morning teaching by Landon Allen at Revive Church and his demonstration and his passion on this verse on remaining connected to the vine was outstanding. Yes, it was. I remember that. It was really outstanding. He's so animated. Shout out to Landon Allen at Revive Church. Question for you.

Have you ever noticed that when abiding is thin, when we're going on or we're giving it a go on our own, everything else requires more effort? The more control we think we got, the more effort we gotta put into it. Decision making gets heavier and relationships on the team feel more draining. You lose the sense that you're

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being carried by something bigger than yourself because you refuse to be carried by something bigger than yourself. Right. You know, cause remember you got this and we get caught up in our own competence. Or competence or intimacy, competency or intimacy. That's the decision that we have. And, and based on my experience, I'm

I'm a little quicker today than I was yesterday at reeling it back into intimacy and staying connected and Sometimes we'll write it off all the when everything gets tougher Maybe we'll just write it off as a difficult season a hard market or or just the cost of growth but yeah sometimes not not always but sometimes it's it's simply that we've drifted and and we drift

That's part of our human condition. We drift.

Sometimes it's just that we drifted the branch drifter from the vine. Yeah, but but there's you you talked about grace and there's great John 15, you know, and I love it so much. Jesus does not say anywhere in the Bible and in John 15, you know, he doesn't say if you drift from the vine, you are done. That's it. You know, the entire posture of the passage is an ongoing invitation to abide. Right. Present tense.

Not past tense, but continual. You drifted, come back. You got busy, come on back.

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You led from your own strength for a whole season. How's that working out for you? Come on back. I've got you. Yeah. And the vine is still right there. He has not moved. Come back. And that gets me every time. I mean, the text does say, if we decide when the branch is disconnected, becomes disconnected, that decision has been made. Then it'll, it'll dry up and get thrown.

into the fire. That's not where we want to be. So, yeah, definitely don't. I've been in the fire. Don't want to be dying. Don't want to go back to the fire. So, but but because God's not he's not standing with the vine with his arms crossed going saying, what the heck are you doing? Where you been, man? He's he's saying, come on, get back here.

I'm waiting. remember when he, in 2009, I came back to him and made that decision as an adult for Christ.

He was bringing you back into my life at the time. He was saving mom's life at the time. And he removed pornography from my life at that time, in that moment. And I remember that voice saying, come on, man. We got a lot of ground to cover. We got a lot of stuff to do. We got plans for you. Let's go. And he said, get back here. There was so much fruit.

that I want to run through you, but man, you got to stay connected. That's not the voice of a disappointed lead. That's not the voice of your boss. That's not the voice of your earthly father. That's not the voice of your earthly mother. That's the voice of our Creator, Father God. That's the voice of Jesus Christ and God. And that's the heart behind every season that we allow Him.

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to see us through, that we allow him to see us through. He says, come back, stay connected, let him produce, we encourage you, this is our experience, let him produce what only he can produce through you. You won't ever regret that. Not ever. Not ever.

And you know, we all like, we like to give practical solutions on this show, right? And so here in season seven, we're not just revisiting intimacy as a concept. We are asking what it looks like specifically in the life of a kingdom legacy builder. So babe, let's drop a few solid truth nuggets. I like truth nuggets, man. Capital T truth nuggets. from the word. You know, I say live from the word because it's living and breathing. That's right. It is.

So first and foremost, must absolutely we must protect the stillness like it's our most strategic asset. Like it's the most important thing in our arsenal because stillness with Him

It is. That's our most strategic accent. Yes. I if you're like me, your calendar reflects your actual priorities. And if time with God feels like it keeps getting bumped and you've become and you're being unintentional with your time with them daily, then you need to get to your secret space. And you need, we need, we must, this is number one, we must, he must be first.

the secret space quiet time is a non-negotiable. So why would we not put it on our calendar?

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Put it on your calendar as a non-negotiable quiet time and stick to it. Yeah. And we're not talking about a rigid formula and certainly not meaning it to just check a box, but we're talking about genuine, consistent, protected rhythm of getting before the Lord with open hands and saying, Lord, I'm here, not here with my agenda or to just get my marching orders and run, but I...

am just here. Lead me and fill me. Show me what you are building. And thank you for letting me be a part of it. Yeah. Just sitting in the stillness and listening. We've mentioned it time and time again, listening is the better part of communication. And if you think that he doesn't want to talk to you, then one, you're wrong.

Sorry, but that's a lie that the enemy's feeding you and no one's too far gone. He's just waiting on you to start the conversation.

the posture of what you're talking about there, the posture of being available rather than agenda driven is that's the difference between religion and relationship. Jesus never advocated religion or religion. He was all about relation. He said, he said, come to me and I will give you rest. He says, abide in me and I will teach you. And he was so much about relationship.

When he ascended, he goes, fellas, I gotta go. It's been great. We've had a great time the last three years. as you can see, the tomb is empty. But I gotta go, because that's the next step to the plan. And if I don't go, then my Father's not gonna send you the Holy Spirit, who's gonna remind you and teach you of everything that we've been through here. And not just the first century disciples, but us as the 21st century disciples.

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That's the relationship that we're talking about and that's got nothing to do with religion. It's that relationship that we must abide in to build the legacy that you're building now. So it can be as deep and it can last as long over widened horizons and deeper perspectives. That's what's underneath the legacy that we want to build.

We cannot build that sort of kingdom legacy without intimacy with Him. The fruit always reflects the root. It sure does. It sure does.

And then second, we've gotta learn to lead from overflow rather than obligation. When you're abiding as rich, you do not lead your team or your family out of duty or willpower. You lead from abundance. There it is.

you have something to give because you have genuinely been filled. But when you're abiding as thin, you are leading on fumes. Anybody ever led on fumes? Because I've led on fumes. And I will tell you that people can see and they can feel the difference in that.

I wear I wear everything right here on my face. it's not so it's true. They can see it on me a mile away. Bro, you OK? Yeah, sure. I'm fine. Anyway, and you know what fine means? Well, anyway, there's another episode for another time, right? But even as.

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talent and willpower, they can produce impressive results, but not lasting results, not legacy results. But the Holy Spirit produces transformation in people. He transforms cultures, and He transforms hearts in the people that we lead, and that's the stuff that outlasts us. That's the stuff that outlasts you.

That's what we're talking about. That's the legacy material that we're talking about. Results that... Results can impress, but transformation remains. And that's what sticks with people. That's what sticks through generation is transformation. it isn't what... That's just exactly what Jesus...

requires in us and desires more and more requires and desires is that we produce fruit that remains. Just as just the same. We can only attain the the transformation by remaining. In the vine.

We're not going to we're not going to attain transformation from grinding harder, but we got to remain. got to abide in the vine. Yeah, I've tried the grinding harder. Yeah, it doesn't work so well. It works well for a short amount of time. Very short amount of time. Frustration burnout. Yeah, yeah, it's nasty stuff. Exactly right. But third, you know, let your abiding shape who you invest in and how you invest in them.

One of the clearest indicators of your intimacy with God is producing kingdom fruit and whether you're producing kingdom fruit is whether you are following the Holy Spirit's nudges about people. You know, we have to always remain aware of that conversation.

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He keeps prompting you towards, know, or that person he keeps bringing you to mind or that time investment maybe that does not make logical sense on paper, but keeps feeling like an assignment. You know which one I'm talking about. You know, you know, because he's he might be speaking to you right now about that. And those nudges are the the vine directing the branch.

And when you follow them and you actually have those conversations and you make that investment, you are building legacy in a way your own strategy never could. Absolutely. We're making investment into people. Yeah. And that's what we want because because kingdom legacy is always built through people always. And the the depths of which you invest in and your people.

how you see your people, how you see the people the way God sees them, how you love them the way God loves them.

and how you call out what God has put in them, because He's put something in all of us. And we got to, and as leaders, as kingdom leaders, we must call out what God's placed in them. And just as someone called it out in us, and we got to call it out in others, the others that we're leading. That depth.

of leadership, legacy leadership is directionally proportional to how close you are to the vine yourself. How much are you abiding? How close are you to the vine? I once heard a pastor say that I want to be so close to the Savior that the dust of a sandal kicks up on me. I don't think I'll ever forget that. it's important to stay close. It's vital that we stay close. It's vital. And as

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stay close, we'll stay full. He fills us up on a daily basis. Are you feeling empty? Get closer. Get quiet. Get closer. And he will fill you up. And watch what flows out of you and into the people around you as he fills you up. So we got...

We got takeaways and today we only got one. We got one honest takeaway for you to sit with the Lord with this week. As in your quiet time, take an opportunity to ask him, am I abiding or am I just doing all the things? And then don't answer it defensively. Don't rush to justify your quiet time habits or your prayer life. Just bring the question to him. Have an open heart and let him show

you his perspective.

He's not gonna condemn you, or he's not a condemning God. He's a convicting God, but not a condemning God. So he's not gonna condemn you for where you are. He is going to meet you there, and he's gonna invite you to come closer, because that's his nature, and that is who he is. It's who he is. And if you're getting the condemnation and you're catching the wrong voice, because it's important to know the voice that we're listening to, because the enemy will come at us with condemnation.

as we're in Christ, what the Word says is there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, but it also says that the Spirit will convict us toward confession, toward repentance, and toward recentering us. So if you find yourself in a season where you're...

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where you're doing has outpaced your abiding. First of all, know that you're in good company because we've all been there. Sure have. On more than one occasion. on more than one occasion. we all need to reset our zeros.

You know, so, and we're not, we're not saying that to condemn you because we know where you are because we've been there. and, again, anything we're anything we talk about on faithfully invested, we weren't always faithfully invested. It's we've learned these lessons through our experience, with him and through him. And, and we've also been, you know, detached from the vine and, but we've learned,

as we've grown and we've learned and he's built integrity via his truth through us, then we've learned to come back pretty quick. We've all been there. So don't wait for a, just don't wait for a more convenient season to come back to the Vine. Today, today's a good time. Today's a great day. This week, today,

Today's a good day to re-center because your legacy's not waiting on you to have more margin. Your legacy is waiting for you to be more connected with the one who authors your legacy. That's good. I want to pray for us. let's pray out then. All right, so Lord, we confess that we are prone to drift toward doing and away from abiding.

Forgive us for the seasons when we have brought you our agendas instead of our availability. Lord, we come back to the vine right now, not because we have it all together, but because apart from you, we can do nothing that truly lasts. Teach us again, Lord, what it means to abide, to sit, to listen to you.

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to be led rather than just lead.

And as we stay connected to you, let the fruit you grow through us outlast us and point every person it touches straight back to you. And we pray all of this in the name of your precious son, Jesus. Amen. Amen. Thank you, babe. Friends of

Episode three is coming at you next week, just as soon as next week. And we're looking at stewardship and we've looked at stewardship before, we're not next week. We're not talking about it the way we do. Actually, we gave stewardship its own season. We did. But we're looking at it now through a different lens of legacy. Yeah. So how do we steward

for the generations to come. What does it mean to steward what God has entrusted us with for the next generation? Have you ever thought about it that way? It's going to bring everything from the season that we gave it into a whole new dimension. So check it out. We're going to be talking about that next week. Don't miss it. And we will welcome you back then just the same as we welcomed you here today. Yes. So good. Until then.

And stay faithfully invested because when you do, when you do, he brings the increase. Thanks. Love you guys. God bless.