The Hearing God Podcast
Anthony Moore and Dan Lamos have met for coffee every week for over a decade. You're invited to listen in on their conversation on The Hearing God Podcast. Explore the prophetic, mystical, and heart-centered aspects of a life filled with the Holy Spirit. Each episode offers insights, inspiration, and practical wisdom to deepen your spiritual journey. Tune in for authentic and encouraging conversations that will enrich and empower your walk with God.
The Hearing God Podcast
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Correctly viewing the love of God is a profound spiritual shift that can transform how we engage with prophetic ministry. This conversation breaks open the misconception that we must perform perfectly to receive divine affection, replacing it with the liberating truth that God's love is our starting point, not our reward.
We discuss the liberating reality that is prophetic ministry in the New Testament era. Unlike Old Testament prophets who operated under a different covenant, today's prophetic community functions through the indwelling Holy Spirit with room for growth and imperfection. Prophetic words aren't just about information transfer but creating moments of divine connection where recipients encounter God's love through human vessels.
Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast
Speaker 1Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast . I'm Anthony Moore .
Speaker 2And I'm Dan Lamas . For over a decade , anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic , the mystical and the matters of the heart .
Speaker 1And we invite you into these weekly conversations . We hope you feel like an honored guest at our table , so pull up a chair , settle in and let's get started . Well , here we are here we are . How's it going Dan ?
Speaker 2It's going well . Yeah , Going well you know , yeah , it really is . It's such a man just really . You know , there's something that kind of landed with me months ago . Uh was reading , reading a book , listening to something and I've been working through the love of god and how foundational it is and I was realizing within myself that I had really turned over my lifetime . I turned the love of God
God's Love as Resource, Not Reward
Speaker 2being loved by God into a reward for good behavior or good performance and I realized that I needed to have a shift in me .
Speaker 2So I brought it before God and , anyway , one of the things that came out of that for me was the love of God is not a reward , it's my greatest resource , yes , and so my thought when you say , how am I doing ? That really is where I immediately go , like I am .
Speaker 2I'm doing well because God's teaching me not to treat his love , which is so foundational for me being okay . It is the foundation for being okay . That it's not a reward , and I just feel like the enemy quakes when I say that , because that was a real stronghold in my life , that God's love and me being okay was a reward for me behaving well . And now I'm realizing more and more that no , in order to behave well , in order to be who I need to be , I need to know God loves me . So I'm doing all that to say I'm doing well to say I'm doing well .
Speaker 1Oh , that's that's good . There you go , that's that's great . I , uh , I was thinking , um , about speaking about being loved by god . Um , for my own part , uh , I have a not that anyone needs to know this , but I have have three , but now everyone will know it . Now you will know about this . I have three tattoos . One is a wedding ring that my wife requested and then another one is I have found my joy , which is I won't get into that story , but it's very meaningful , yeah , and then the other that I just got this summer was oh , man greatly loved .
Speaker 1Love that , that I just got this summer was , oh man , greatly loved and I .
Speaker 1The reason for that was I had been wanting to get a tattoo for a long time and I just couldn't settle on exactly what that was , um , and then sometime this summer I was like I had was reminded , um about these moments , and probably because I bumped into another one where in the book of Daniel , there's a few times where Gabriel shows up to Daniel . I think there's at least two specific instances , right , but three times . Three times Gabriel says like . He either says , oh
Oh Man, Greatly Loved
Speaker 1, daniel , like you're greatly loved , right , uh and uh . And then one time he says , and it's actually daniel 10 , 19 . Uh . He says , oh , man , greatly loved yeah and yeah .
Speaker 1Every time I would bump every time I would bump into those scripture verses like that would hit my heart , like so right profoundly yeah , it was . It was as if I was reading god , like it was if god was talking to me through that yeah and yeah , like even just yeah , you were daniel and sitting sitting even just sitting here talking to that , I just feel my heart moved . But it was just such a profound it is and I can't explain it right .
Speaker 1It was just one of those things that are a little mystical or mysterious , Because I know , I guess I would say I know theologically it's true , you know , God is no respecter of persons . So if he greatly loves someone , he greatly loves me , right , Like in the Bible , right .
Speaker 1So I would just say and in Christ , you know all the promises of God are yes and amen , so something like that I can reason that out , and so informationally I know , that's true , but the mystical part happens with the heart and you know , and again , like you read scripture and you read scripture and it it sometimes it hits your heart and sometimes it doesn't and right . For some reason , somewhere along the way over the last few years that just began hitting my heart and I was just like I can't and it wouldn't be like I didn't want to . You know , I don't know what I didn't want to do , but I was anyway . Every time I kept bumping into it .
Speaker 1I would just get like my heart would be really really moved .
Speaker 2Yeah , how does it go again ? Oh , man greatly loved .
Speaker 1Oh , man greatly loved .
Speaker 2And then it actually there's actually more to it .
Speaker 1That didn't make sense for the tattoo but it was . But it was Gabriel saying like fear not which is okay . That's awesome . Yeah , like thank you , I won't be afraid yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , like , thank you , I won't be afraid . Yeah , yeah , thanks for reminding me . Yeah , uh , peace be with you and uh , be strong and of good courage . Yes , like to me the that's like , and I got so in the tattoo . I got this dot dot dot after , oh , man , greatly loved , and so it was unto like , okay , there's more to this , right . So I thought , anyway , just this idea of like , for some reason God's given me this little gift of having those spots . I guess I would connect it to . You know , in those situations , daniel's fasting right , he's fasting for , you know , for of the fasts is about the return of the Israelites , like the end of the . You know , the end of the exile .
Speaker 1Yeah , thanks for that .
Speaker 2No problem .
Speaker 1Um , but , but it is like it is about the promises of God , the not yet .
Speaker 2Yes , right .
Speaker 1To me , it's about tapping into the things that are not yet in your life .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Or the things that you feel like you're called to and are not happening yet , right or not in the fullness of what it is that you feel like God has shown you , but in the middle of that , oh man , greatly loved . So someone is living in the tension of the circumstances , not aligning up , lining up to not seeing the fullness of it , maybe not even seeing necessarily a whole lot of movement , yeah , but there they are greatly loved .
Speaker 1Amazing , you know and again like there's a whole , there's the whole story about , which is super helpful sometimes if you understand or , uh , not understand , but if you ever get in situations where there's delay like , if you're wondering sometimes about why promises get delayed , it isn't just because God is saying no , it is because you have an enemy .
Speaker 2Yes , right , and so you know , like you know , in Daniel , it's , you know it's from the day that you sought .
Speaker 1You know . You humbled yourself , you know , and sought to , you know . Lean in . I'm going to paraphrase without trying to misquote but the answer came from heaven right away , yeah , and then there was delay . Wow
The Unseen Realities Around Us
Speaker 1. So that's just . There's a little window into , isn't that ?
Speaker 2something that's really cool . Maybe God is helping a bunch of us understand in a fresh way that we don't earn what we need from God with hard work and striving Absolutely . But maybe there are things we need to access that we won't access unless we're willing to put the hard work and fight into it . Yeah , unless we're willing to fight for it . Put in the fasting , praying , seeking , like recently , the thought we are at war , you know , but we're not fighting with god , right ? We're not fighting against god , right , like we are part of god's kingdom in christ jesus . And we are at war , yes , with darkness .
Speaker 1our war is not with god so that's really great for anybody wants to study daniel like gabriel's message wasn't well .
Speaker 2Daniel , we had a problem with you . That's why we didn't come right , right .
Speaker 1It's like saying no , hey , daniel , I haven't moved away to go right away .
Speaker 2Way to go for hanging in there because I actually , yeah was , was sent like whatever days it was yeah , well , it was 21 days ago , but immediately I was dispatched . Yeah , right , and way to go , Daniel , that in your earthly experience you hung in there fighting for the revelation , right , because here I am . Like you didn't know , daniel , but we were allies in this fight . Like Gabriel wasn't fighting Daniel , right , right .
Speaker 1Like gabriel was fighting something in the unseen , the prince of persia and daniel was actually demonic , yeah principality .
Speaker 2yeah , and daniel was actually an ally with , with gabriel , in the name of the lord yep , way to go . It's like it's like it's like this beautiful partnership and that's . It's like this beautiful partnership and that's maybe he's teaching a lot of us these days that communion , union with God in Christ Jesus , through Christ Jesus , is worth the fight and the hard work Like it's worth the fight . It's not like you're earning it from God , but you're an ally with heaven . Heaven wants you to access and know things , but it's not going to happen if you just coast along and sometimes , not always , but it's a mix , right , but there are definitely things that we wouldn't know the Daniel we read about if he hadn't partnered with heaven .
Speaker 2So what does that look like for me , you ? And what a beautiful reminder , just to come full circle . Well , I just think .
Speaker 1Yeah , just Of being greatly loved . Right being greatly loved , and also I think that people I think you need it , I need it , these really , and we've had these . We just had another conversation about this very thing last week . As a believer , we subscribe to a worldview that involves very real things happening that we cannot see Right . This is the Christian worldview that outside of and again this is know we're encouraged to fix our eyes on one what is unseen right so so you know so , because one , what is unseen is eternal , and yes , so it's like .
Speaker 1Don't be ignorant to the fact that and this is difficult , I mean it's a challenge it may take you know some people 30 years to figure it out . I don't know , it's , it's taken me . You know , I don't , I don't live this perfectly at all , but just to keep be aware , being aware that there are invisible things happening around each one of us yes , like I don't know .
Speaker 1I don't mean to freak anybody out , but that is the world view that we , so I'm like I . I don't know what you're , what you signed up for but , but , but it really is that reality of like . Okay , so they're . They're invisible right right now . Like right now , as we're sitting here having this conversation , there are invisible realities that are going on .
Speaker 1Yes , right , and so we would say there are . There is for sure angelic help , right . The Bible , like Jesus , is very clear about . You know that , dan and I have at least one angel apiece . You know there may be more and there also may be demonic presences around us trying to , you know , seek if they can get a foothold right About believing a lie .
Speaker 1Yeah , about who we are , and they may even have a foothold right About believing a lie about who we are , and they may even have a foothold right . So we would say we live in this reality where there's invisible things that are going on and that's not to freak anybody out , but it is not to your benefit to keep your head in the sand on this reality because it is lesser than what God has called you to .
Speaker 1The Bible is also very clear about how strong Jesus is and how we don't need to be afraid of these things , but they are very real . So I think you know talking hey , dan , you and I talk mystical . So this is a mystical reality , that that is just there , that we've , that we as believers have . Just we , we didn't , we didn't come up with it , but we , we signed up for it , right ?
Speaker 1like we're in christ , we this is okay , we're we're . We say we want to follow jesus and therefore this is what the bible says about things that we cannot see so anyway that was a bit of a , but I think it's worth .
Speaker 2All of that out of . How are you doing ? Yes , Amazing .
Speaker 1All of that is really helpful and healthy , because it's better if people , especially if people get a little nervous or afraid , at least you know it , you know it's there , you can acknowledge it and then allow the Lord to talk to you about that . Yes , because he's not going to make you afraid of it . In fact , he wants you to overcome , he wants you to be strong , be courageous . You know , even out of that Daniel scripture , or you know , the righteous are as bold as lions and the , where the wicked , you know , run when no one is chasing them . So I say these things not to fear , but it's healthier if we can first acknowledge that this reality exists and also acknowledge , maybe even grow into acknowledging and believing , that God is greater , and greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world .
Speaker 1That's actually what I've told my kids , right Like as they've been growing up and they've been afraid and we start to talk about the unseen . Maybe they've had nightmares or they've had some unusual experiences and I'm just like , okay .
Speaker 2A sense in their room or something .
Speaker 1A sense in something fearful , right , a random , unknown reason to be afraid and I'm just like , okay , a sense in that room or something fearful , right a random , unknown reason to be afraid and I'm like okay , let's pray and let's just remember that , even though you're afraid right now , you don't have to be , because god is right , not only is he with you , but he's in you , right .
Speaker 2So greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world , and so , and again .
Speaker 1Yeah , that that's a journey in and of itself , but the foundational truth is there and so . I think that's just helpful for people to just . Maybe we'll have a longer conversation on this . But I do want to get back into talking about out of last week . We really sort of cracked open what it was like to give prophetic words and I thought the conversation was so helpful and also to acknowledge that , like many people , there are different flavors to how God speaks to them .
Speaker 2Right .
Speaker 1I thought that's right I thought it was awesome , it was really helpful . I think these conversations really , really , I don't know . I get excited a little bit about these conversations because the way that I learn is , first of all , I learn by doing . So it would make sense to me to go .
Speaker 1well , if I'm going to do this , try and help me understand what it's like , if I can get a hint of something that might be familiar in other people's stories thing that might be familiar , right , yeah
Prophetic Words: Infallibility vs. Partnership
Speaker 1, you know , in other people's stories and it's actually reassuring to me that if I'm having similar experiences as I give prophetic words , then I guess that's just super helpful to me .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1Right . So I guess I want to just maybe crack open a little bit and then make a shift into maybe receiving prophetic words , just talk a little bit more about , like maybe I can and I don't want to hog the conversation , I would say but one of the things that I thought might be helpful to add is that , you know , for my part , when I get a prophetic word , there's often like I use air quotes , right , there's often a weight that comes with that , and what I mean by that it's often a sense , either a sense of peace , or my heart is moved . Right , my heart begins to move . It's just , it doesn't . It isn't like I start crying , though I may become emotional .
Speaker 1I didn't even know it was necessarily prophetic , but I shared the thought with them . But as I was sharing the thought with them , my heart began to move and it was like I just began to sense the pleasure of God on them via that thought and I thought , oh , wow , wow , okay , like this is like I . I feel like it was suddenly beyond me and into something else . Right , that I couldn't necessarily like , this didn't come from me . Yes , I really feel like this came from the lord .
Speaker 1And so I just I was like , oh , by the way , I think that was . You know , it wasn't even like this , let's say the lord . It was like it was like oh , by the way , I think that was . You know , it wasn't even like this , let's say the Lord . It was like it was like oh , by the way , I think that was prophetic , because of how my heart was moving .
Speaker 2I really felt like and I and .
Speaker 1I could see that they were sort of receiving it in a way that they were . You know , it could have been a prophetic word , right Like and they were receiving it in that way .
Speaker 2So probably you wouldn't have had the freedom to say that to those couple of friends if you didn't have a life as part of your history of learning what that sensation means .
Speaker 1For sure . Yeah , agreed , I would say that sensation isn't exclusive , but it often comes when I give prophetic words . Right , it may precede it or , in this case , happen while I'm giving a word . Yeah , and again , I think that's just helpful for people to understand . There is , you know , sometimes for me . I think that would be a common but not exclusive , a way that comes to me , you know , sometimes it is , sometimes it is feeling , is removed from it , right , sometimes it is a , uh , almost like a vapor that I grab hold of , seem it feels like yeah sorry , um , sometimes it is like a vapor that I grow a hold of a thought , or sometimes words of knowledge come differently to me , right , and I'm still learning how that is .
Speaker 1Again , none of us have arrived . We're still . What does Amy Howard say ?
Speaker 2There's always room to grow up in the house of God .
Speaker 1Right , but that we're always practicing but never pretending .
Speaker 2Right , yeah , that's what we learned from Amy .
Speaker 1But what I was just saying is that sometimes words of knowledge come differently and it isn't necessarily an emotional experience when they come . Sometimes the pictures that come don't don't contain emotion , um , so I think for me . I think for me , it's just I'm , I'm . I'm hungry to learn , I'm hungry to lean in and listen , right , I'm not . I do my best to try and not be presumptuous in the whole thing , right , right , I like try to be open-handed in the whole thing .
Speaker 1So , as I'm listening and I'm hearing , I just go in with a few sort of guardrails , yes , and just some humility , to try and take some risk .
Speaker 2Yep , try and take some risk . What a beautiful reminder again of what the prophetic is in the era in which we live , after the death and resurrection , ascension , pouring out of the Holy Spirit . The death and resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ and the pouring out of the Holy spirit . We're living this time where the prophetic gift of uh means something a little different than before , a hundred percent , you know , not a lot different , but it right , but it is different . And the um , what a great reminder that uh , that me receiving a prophetic word and sharing it doesn't mean I need to shift into infallibility , like , oh , this is good , like , like the God can move through .
Speaker 1I think , right , I'm getting the impression okay , yes , yeah , this might have been something that we were sort of like hovering around last . Last time that I've really felt like we need to cover is this to blow up this idea of that you must now like if you're gonna go and try to be a prophet , you must now be isaiah jeremiah .
Speaker 1Right , you know , ezekiel yep , like you know , and you must risky , because if you're , if you're , if this isn't infallible and you're not doing this exactly right , there's going to be consequences for you as a false prophet , you're going to get labeled as a false prophet and you're worthy of death , and this is where a lot of the people who are like I would call them maybe more cessationist or more in the reformed camp there's a paradigm that is often missed when talking about prophets and prophecy in this way , and there are really solid theological and even like maybe even in the more reformed camp . There are real , there are actually even on that side , and this is outside social media and whatever you might hear but there are really solid like exegesis on what we're talking about right now , and so we're
Speaker 1just going to , we're going to just cover it , and but know that we're not just making stuff up . There's actually solid theological . There's a really great book called the gift of prophecy by Wayne Grudem , who isn't even who wouldn't he wouldn't even call himself a charismatic , but he is leans more into the , into the reform side . But so just to qualify what we're talking about . But I want to just to get back to that , but to understand that we don't live in the era of Isaiah , jeremiah , or even like the old covenant let's call it , because I mean some of these rules around prophets and prophecies come in whatever Leviticus , numbers , deuteronomy , somewhere in there , I don't know but even in the law about what to do if a prophet misses it . Or you know that's where we get that that that person is worthy of death , yes , or you know , that's where we get that that that person is worthy of death .
Speaker 1Yes and so , but the reality is is that we don't live in that paradigm . We don't live that's an old covenant thing . Yes , because you know from , I guess from the old covenant right , we can look at a few things . We can look at what Ezekiel says , that I'll take their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh . We can look at what he says to Jeremiah and says I will put my spirit in them and write . You know .
Speaker 1I will write my law on their hearts Like this is the paradigm that we live in , hearts like this is the paradigm that we live in . Right and therefore , you know , and even okay . So then , the , the classic , like the , the pinnacle of the prophetic words , like it's joel , too right in the last days , I will pour up my spirit on you know , on all flesh your sons and daughters will prophesy right , right and then , and then the fulfillment of that comes in Acts 2 , right , Right . So Peter goes like this is that right .
Speaker 1This thing that's happening right now , with all of you hearing this crazy noise , the tongues of fire the languages that all of you can understand .
Speaker 2This moment .
Speaker 1Right here is Joel 2 . Right .
Speaker 2Yes , that's right .
Speaker 1So now we've shifted into this new paradigm where the Holy Spirit has been poured out on all flesh . Right and the sons and daughters prophesied yeah , yeah , so , yes , yeah . So this is the era that we live in , and so now we get into this era where there isn't pressure to be infallible , because we all have the Holy Spirit living within us and are able to hear God for ourselves .
Speaker 2That's right . This prophetic spirit lives within us and it's community and it's embodying this thing that was . It's embodying this grace from God in very human community . It's being human beings . God loves that we're human . He doesn't regret it . He loves that we're human beings . He actually takes great joy over a community of human beings partnering with him . He doesn't expect us to be him Like we are human beings and it's his joy to partner with us and have us become something unique . It is , yeah , 100% . So the more we can have grace toward one another to embody the prophetic word sharing , hearing . What does it mean ? What ?
Speaker 1do we do with it ? Yeah , absolutely .
Speaker 2Like you know how many times over my lifetime , brothers and sisters that I greatly respect as pastors and Christian leaders saying respect as pastors and Christian leaders , saying I love the way you talk about hearing from God and the things you hear , but I don't have a clue what to do with it , right , yeah , I'm like for a long time that frustrated me . I was like I don't even know what you mean when you say that .
Speaker 2But the more I mature , the more I understand it is frustrating for many people and at my time , myself , at times where this is what God said , but I don't know what it means or what to do with it For sure , but chilling out about having to be perfect , pristine , never miss it whatever . On the human side , like really just relaxing about that , saying God loves to work with it and he wants it to be a community experience . The prophetic .
Speaker 1Before we get into the community part , I do want to say that like , so , the idea that we don't have to be perfect , the idea that we can grow , the idea that in process , right , like , I really believe that God , as he's working through us and as we're stretching into this , there's this element of just the pleasure of the Lord as you grow yes , right , that's right .
Speaker 1So it isn't like there's like I don't know where we got this idea that we had to be perfect in anything . Right , right , that's right . So it isn't like there's like I don't know where we got this idea that we had to be perfect in anything . Right , right , you know this idea of like , if we were perfect , then where's the need for faith ? Right , right , like . So I guess , like Hebrews 11 , 6 , like it's very close , like all things kingdom are very connected to like , without faith , it's impossible to please God , right ? So if you know perfectly and are perfect , then there is no room for faith . We know , eventually , by 1 Corinthians 13 , that faith , you know , when the perfect comes , the imperfect will disappear .
Speaker 2Right , exactly .
Speaker 1But so there won't be a need for , like a not yet space .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1So if we can see ourselves in this and know that , like again , like we see in part , we prophesy in part , so there's that piece in there too . So the prophetic comes in to fulfill this place of not yet having arrived Right , this place of not yet having arrived right . So I say that not just this is a great place for the prophetic , but as people who have not yet arrived , we are also invited into the prophetic right . So this is not just for us , but it's through us that these kinds of things happen . Could I ?
Speaker 2just I wanted to throw in for Bible nerds , which is a good thing to be . I believe it's Matthew 6 , where Jesus says be perfect , therefore , as your heavenly Father is perfect . Okay , that's in Jesus' teaching , but I would really challenge and encourage everybody to dig into the context of that statement . Right , Jesus is talking about love and loving perfectly the way your Father in heaven loves which ?
Speaker 2is forgiveness grace . The rain falls on the just and the unjust . That's where Jesus says that . It's in the context of that , Therefore , as you love your neighbor or love your enemies be perfect like that . He's talking about perfection in love , and he's talking about be perfect like God is . We aren't very patient or persevering to find out what that is . We're not very
The Adventure of Kingdom Living
Speaker 2patient and persevering to find out what is God's perfection .
Speaker 1Well , if we dig very far .
Speaker 2We're going to find out . His perfection is his love is so perfect that he forgives me and has grace for me and would even do what he did through Jesus . Yeah , sacrificial . We talk about perfection , but we do a weird thing with it .
Speaker 1Yeah , we do we do ?
Speaker 2It's to say this whole behavior thing and not just behaving yourselves but not making any mistakes , Not making any mistakes , right , yeah , and I you know , uh , the life of Jesus and his disciples and all of the heroes of scripture is more gritty . And uh , what's the word Unconventional ?
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2If we were to try to put a the lens of perfection on it , we'd say really , Wow , that seems kind of imperfect the way they did that .
Speaker 1Yeah , again , there were things . I mean obviously we're not and I don't think you're saying this , but like Jesus did do . Jesus was perfect . He lived in perfect obedience and relationship with his father , right , you're talking about like I'm shooting for .
Speaker 2Dig in and find out . What does that mean ?
Speaker 1Yeah , exactly Instead of assuming you know what that means .
Speaker 2Right . What is perfection ? Yeah , like perfection may not involve , in your thinking , putting your arms around a leper before he's healed Right , and then healing him Right . Maybe your idea of perfection is well , I'm not gonna touch a leper until he's healed . Because that would be perfection . I'm not supposed to hug him and I represent perfection , after all , when Jesus pushed right past that Said no perfection is me hugging this leper before he's healed .
Speaker 1Like that , it's like .
Speaker 2I'm just encouraging everybody before you form your arguments , press in . And why don't you just ask , ask God , would you show me ? I do believe Jesus is and was and always has been perfect . What does that mean ? Yeah , for sure , show me what it means , god . How am I ? Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1So this is a bit of a slide , but yeah , but um , I think I was , I think we were just talking about , like , just the press , to be perfect . I often say this to you .
Speaker 1You know , when I , when I teach this , I , I often say stuff like this um , god knows how to speak to you , to speak through you right like he knows , he knows what your , where , your hang-ups are , yep , um , and so it's almost as if like and again , like there's a , I , you know there's this , I don't want to . You could go down the road of like what what's really happening ? As you give a in the spirit , as you , as you give a prophetic word I don't know if I necessarily want to slide off into that .
Speaker 1But there is this element of like . God knows your quirks , your frame , your worldview , the words that you commonly use , and he's able to share his heart with you so that you'll communicate . I think that's the part of like , love it . There's so much pressure on like sometimes that can come with like wanting to do this but wanting to get it right , and not Nobody wants to . Nobody with a good heart and a good attitude wants to speak , wants to presumptuously speak for God . Right , nobody wants to do that . Right ? If you do , then you're a psycho and you shouldn't be anywhere near .
Speaker 1But most people with any measure of humility don't want to misspeak for God , and so for those people who need to be encouraged , need to understand that God knows how to speak to you so that he can speak through you , and just the reality of that is really on God . Yes , right , the reality of that . You get to just be obedient and share what you feel like he's saying . Yeah , obedient and share what you feel like he's saying , but the mechanics of how he comes and reveals his heart to you shares a word , whether it's a picture , scripture , verse , vision , dream . However , that's on him and he's not mad about that , right Like he . Actually . That's what he's ordained and that's what he loves to do , so most of that is on . God . You're just there trying to like okay , so I've received something . Now I have to go through . I'm going to okay , lord , help me . Help me with this so that I can deliver this without fear , because if we're afraid , we're getting in the way . Yes , Right .
Speaker 1Or if we're disobedient , we're getting in the way .
Speaker 2Yes , right , you know or ?
Speaker 1if we're disobedient , we're getting in the way . You know all those things like get and we talked about that .
Speaker 2I love that . Thank you for highlighting that , but just like that's on , that's on him .
Speaker 1And not only that , but he isn't just , he's not removed from the process , right , he doesn't just . Okay , well , now it's on you to like he's like if you invite him into the like . Okay , holy Spirit , help me with this right and maybe , if it comes out in a fumbly stumbly way , that's just your obedience right and your humanity , yes , but that's not to say that like God isn't completely in that . To empower that fumbly , completely in that . To empower that fumbly stumbly word to hit the person you're ministering to in exactly the way that he intends it .
Speaker 2Agreed , yeah , and somewhere in there is that that is real and true what you're saying , because he asked you to say it Like there's a certain thing there .
Speaker 2That's it right there , he could have sent anybody to me , but he sent you exactly . And so in there is the if . If I'm willing to humble myself . Yeah , you knew what you're doing when you asked me to share this totally . This person , in some mystical way , needs to hear this from me . Totally , because you decided that , god , yeah , I'm not going to get hung up on why , I'm just going , I'm going and doing it . The more we can get in that flow , the more adventurous and amazing it's going to be for all of us . It is .
Speaker 1And and I would say like for sure , um , the , the it's adventurous , like if you can get your , you know , and maybe we can pray into this , you know , towards the end I don't know if we're going to get the receiving words or whatever , but I think this is an important conversation for people to hear . Like if they're hungry or they want to grow like this is supposed to be an adventure .
Speaker 1Yes , there is supposed to be fear of the Lord , but not to be afraid of God , to just revere , like , to at least have an element of sobriety , like I don't want to be flippant , I don't want to be , I don't want to .
Speaker 1It is supposed to be fun , right , but not like , not in a flippant or dishonoring sort of way , Like there's an immense amount of joy that comes from partnering with God and seeing , often with your two eyes , the power of a prophetic word yes , right , so this is supposed to be adventurous . This is supposed to be not boring , you know , like you know , I've said , you know , and again I think we would all agree like if your Christian life is boring , then you're doing it wrong , right , like your Christian life is supposed to be full of adventure , full of excitement . God doesn't have boredom for you , right , he has things like he has stepping into unknown , right , yeah , like the life full of faith , right to the measure to which and again , this is not something that either of us have arrived , but I would say the measure to which , you know , seeking the Lord about a decision , seeking the Lord about what he's saying , seeking the Lord about anything , stepping into something is not boring , it's like it is a little fearful okay right , so we do .
Speaker 1When we overcome that and we step into courage and step into the unknown , there's massive , like opposite of boredom , like it is all the emotions , right , yeah , but at the end of it , if we can get there , we get joy , we get knowing , like this , almost this unexplainable pleasure of knowing that you pleased God , regardless of the results , right , and to me like that's the invitation for every believer , and it's not everything . But the prophetic is part of that . Yes , it's part of that kingdom life . Yes , part of that , it's part of that kingdom life . Okay , you know , Anthony , you know God comes and says Anthony , I want you to share this . Or he shows me a picture , I want you to share this with someone . Okay , now I don't know everything right .
Speaker 1I don't know how that's going to hit that person , but the part of it is is that I get the joy and the adventure of stepping into the unknown . Yes , these are really small , maybe really big , but really really , these momentary events , that's what I'm trying to get Right . Momentary events in our life where we get to step into the life , life that god has for us grow . There's so much that happens in that , so I yeah , maybe I'm sliding off into something , but I just I want to say that the christian life is meant , you know , is not meant to be boring , right , and the if growing in the prophetic is a way to tap into that adventure of king , of living in the kingdom , yeah , that's right , yeah well , it makes a ton .
Speaker 2It makes a ton of practical , everyday , ordinary life sense to me . Yeah , because it really helps to understand . We're not talking about becoming elite in the kingdom , no . We're not talking about some sort of exclusive club . Yeah . We're not talking about being because you , because you get familiar with how to receive and share prophetic words . That doesn't make you more saved than the next guy . No , doesn't make you many any more important in the kingdom . Yeah it , and you know , it's just when we know God you don't earn anything .
Speaker 1Right , right yeah .
Speaker 2When we know God's love and acceptance of us , yeah , isn't tied to performance and behavior , but it's actually his choice to love and accept us and he's made every provision for that . Yeah , it really does then turn the , the turn the earthly existence into something different . It turns it into an adventure . It turns it into I can get my eyes off of how am I doing to . What is God up to ? The enemy might want to come along and people might want to help them out , now and then to remind me what a screw up .
Speaker 2Screw up . I am on occasion , yeah , but that doesn't change god's love and acceptance . No of me . Like part of what I hear you saying is wow , god knows me , yeah , and he speaks to me , so I he can speak through me to people , um , but it that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not he's going to continue to love and accept me , oh my gosh , like there's this .
Speaker 2It's really this freedom , yeah , to keep growing and to even uh , because it's funny , as you were talking , just to give people a window in on my experience my body usually reacts to the challenge of delivering , receiving , being involved in prophetic community . That gets me out of my shell . I begin to sweat Right , I blush , my body reacts . I might even feel stiffness in my body because my body's literally reacting like this is too big for you , like this moment you're in is too much Like you . Sure you should be on you , sure you should be doing this .
Speaker 2You sure you should be walking across the food court to go tap this guy on the shoulder that you've never met before .
Speaker 1Well don't .
Speaker 2I wouldn't tap him on the shoulder have a quick conversation like you , sure , dan , like my being saying I don't think you should be doing this , and all the while I'm walking across I'm starting to sweat .
Speaker 2You know , it's not hot in the food court but I'm nervous like and and just to say , yeah , you know that all of that reaction is okay . Yeah , absolutely , it's okay . My being is saying it's okay , as long as you don't let it rule you . Yeah , that's it . It's okay in the sense of I'm still going to do this . Yeah , exactly , and it's all going to . It's going to all be okay . Yeah , but that's the type of adventure it's not like well , you did a great job , dan . I just wish you wouldn't get nervous every time like drives me crazy , it's not like the Holy Spirit is saying that to me .
Speaker 2It's saying , man , I love that stuff and like you , push through , that's awesome . And somehow in the sweating and in the angst , and everything . The humility of who God is shines through , even to the other person .
Speaker 1Agreed agreed and I , you know , and again , like I , just , there is some element of like . Okay , so the element of um to me and I say this a little bit about like , being afraid of the results , this , or of missing it Yep , there is so much going on other than you getting the word exactly right , yes , so what I'm getting at is that if I'm able to have a posture of humility , a posture of love and a posture of faith and then obedience , okay . So , if I'm able to do that and if I step into a moment right , whether I have to cross a food court or not , if I step into a moment and I go through all of that , hey , god , you know , or I'm having this conversation with God , that you know , I feel like I'm going to do this , I feel like you're asking me to do this , so I'm going to do this , you know , I'm going to courageously do something with whatever I said before love , humility , obedience and then whatever the other thing .
Speaker 2I said yeah , courage , maybe Courage , yeah , something . Anyway , just rewind 15 seconds to hear what I said .
Speaker 1Yes , if I'm able to like , these are healthy guardrails If I go into that moment and miss it . There are other things going on . Number one I exercised faith . Yep Hebrews 11 , 6 got fulfilled for my life in that moment . Without faith , it's impossible to please .
Speaker 2God .
Speaker 1So with faith , it's possible to please .
Speaker 2God , so I stepped out in faith .
Speaker 1Yeah Right , I stepped out in faith and I pleased God Right , right , yeah . Out in faith . Yeah right , I stepped out in faith and I pleased god right , right , yeah I . I interacted with someone , another human being , with love and humility right , so they encountered whether or not the information right was they got a dose of love and humility they got a dose of they . They bumped into someone . Yeah , carrying the love of God and the humility of God ? Yeah , right , and obviously operating in humility .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 1So they bumped into that person and someone willing to take a risk . Yes , right , yep . And so that right there outside of the information is profound . Yes , agreed , profound , right , right . So , regardless of the information , of course , none of us want to miss it . But I'm just saying , if you do , it's not just about the information . That is the thing that either gets in the way of God moving or not moving . Right , I'm just saying there are other things going on , yeah , I love that , so I think that's .
Speaker 1I don't know . I feel like I'm being helpful to someone by saying that Just to expand the worldview out of the transactional right , of the transactional right . Expand like the prophetic is not , it's only transactional in part , meaning an exchange of information .
Speaker 2Let's just call it that there are so much like it is a mystical and unseen reality , like we were talking about before .
Speaker 1So there are other things going on about you getting the information .
Speaker 2Quote unquote correctly . This is maybe to put a highlight this or put a period at the end of it . Whatever to say , I know that I have most appreciated prophetic words that people have brought to me with an attitude of humility and love and a willingness to say I believe . When they said to me I have , I feel like I have a word from God for you , I could tell what they meant was it's not my business , what it means .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Like I'm going to deliver this . But I knew inherently that what they were most excited about was that God was talking to me . Yeah , like it wasn't . They weren't excited that God was talking to them and gave them a word . I could tell they were most excited that God was talking to them and gave them a word . I could tell they were most excited that God was saying something to me and when they delivered the word , then they were excited that I was going to take that and talk to God about it . That's good . They wanted me to be excited that .
Speaker 1God's talking to you . Yeah , it's like , it's almost like . Oh , I have a little gold nugget from God and I'm excited because Dan is going to be really excited when he gets this .
Speaker 2That's right .
Speaker 1Because this isn't mine . I just get to carry it for a few minutes , yes , and then , as I give it to Dan , that's Dan's gold nugget and he's going to love that .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's cool . That's cool , I see . I see us as you're saying , that I see us as a community even those who are listening and that that we are servants of this like we're servants of this like we're delivering something that only God knows the benefit of it in the person's life and we were happy to deliver it and then leave it with them , like , hey , this is just a reminder . God's paying attention to your life and he's speaking and you can hear it . You're going to hear some cool stuff from God because of this .
Speaker 1Oh , that's so good , love it so good . Just as we land the plane here , I'm just wondering maybe I think I would like to if you want to pray , dan , for
Courage to Step Into the Unknown
Speaker 1I think I think I want to pray for courage . Okay , yeah , and just just overcoming fear , and that would , people would grow overcoming fear , and that would people would grow .
Speaker 2Uh , that people would be captured by the adventure .
Speaker 1I think a little bit of that . Yeah , love it , I think , and then whatever does . Just those were the two things that were hitting me as we just because I you know again like this is the adventure that we've been invited into .
Speaker 1Yeah , right , wow , and yeah , the more like there's more , there's more for for all of us , right , because you and I certainly haven't arrived yet . So there's more for all of us , right , because you and I certainly haven't arrived yet . So there is more adventure in the prophetic . There are more small steps , there are more big steps for us as we sort of hit this , but so maybe come against fear . So if you're listening , just if you made it this far , thank you for making it this far .
Speaker 1But just maybe open your hearts and open your hands as you're listening to this .
Speaker 2If you're driving , don't do that . But just put your heart in a posture to receive Beautiful , beautiful and , as we're praying this , if you could just see Anthony and I as coming in from a grand adventure perhaps even we haven't even cleaned up yet in from a grand adventure perhaps even we haven't even cleaned up yet . It's like the dirt from the trail and the climb and the scrapes and the sweat and all that . We haven't even taken a shower yet . You know , it's like we've come in and this is an invitation .
Speaker 2Hey , lord Jesus , you are the great , you know , explorer , adventurer . We just love who you are , jesus , we bless you and God , I pray over our lives and over our friends , jesus , that you would let them be filled with your courage . Would you just overwhelm them with the courage of your kingdom , the courage of heaven invading earth this very day by your spirit . But that courage would just overtake them in a fresh way , and we do . By the blood of Jesus and the river of living water , the river of life .
Speaker 2We come against anything the enemy's trying to do to dissuade any of us from courage and boldness and cowering and boldness and cowering and running when fear seems to want to overtake us . We thank you , god , for the grace to push forward . Even when fear kind of wants to take over , we say no to it , we throw it off , god , and we just say that everybody listening is not created to cower and hesitate and run in fear . They are created to stand in the midst of it and we just thank you for that . And then , god , we just say thank you for adventure . We pray that anyone who hasn't realized it yet , they would know the fact that they're in this moment . This is an invitation to adventure with Jesus .
Speaker 2Here's their invitation and I just want to say , in whatever way you want to translate to them , they qualify , they have a license they have permission to go on adventures with you , like they have the pass , they have the lanyard , they have the Jesus Christ in me lanyard that they're wearing , and everything in the unseen realm gets it that they have a license to adventure in Christ Jesus and no security guard of any door can stop them from passing through to adventure . So , lord , thank you for this . We love you . It's been a great conversation . Keep helping us hearing , helping us hear what you are saying . Yes , and thank you for speaking . Amen , amen . Well , that's a wrap on this episode . It's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest . As we all learn to hear God better .
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