Home is Where the Bodies Are | Episode 13

 WARNING: THIS PODCAST HAS SPOILERS

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This week we dive into Home is Where the Bodies Are by Jeneva Rose...

Three siblings. One house. And a past that refuses to stay buried.

As secrets unravel and long-forgotten memories resurface, the tension builds into a story that kept us on edge the entire time. This book isn’t just about what happened… it’s about what people are capable of hiding.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hi, Boo.

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Hi, Boo. How are you?

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Okay, how are you?

SPEAKER_02 0:07

I'm good. I'm tired. I played disc golf today for a brewery disc golf tournament. That's why I'm wearing my brewery disc shirt. So it has hops and disc baskets and beers and lightning bolts. Um I I won this one a couple years ago at a disc tournament. So just celebrating that. But thankfully you allowed me, you allowed me to take a shower afterwards because I was covered in sunscreen and pollen because we're in Georgia right now and it's March.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

There's pollen everywhere, which is why I'm stuffy.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

So bad. So yes, it got in my nose, it got everywhere, it was in my eyes. So I'm tired. Sitting feels great. But other than that, I'm okay. So thanks for asking.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Good.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

You never really expect people to like when you're like, oh, how are you? Most people are like, oh, I'm good. Just keep moving on. And then when you're like, how are you? And they actually tell you, you're like, wait, I didn't ask for all that.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Uh today we're gonna be drinking sweet water. Yes. So I picked us up some sweet water. Sweet water is an Atlanta classic. Um, this is one of the newer ones, I take it. I I think it's a hazy IPA, but it's their tropical high. So we'll see how that is. Um, it's 6.2% brewed here in Atlanta, Georgia. Doop doop doop doop. Nothing cool on the label. So I will crack this open. Will you tell us the word of the week while I do that?

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Yes. It's an well, I think it's exciting because of the book we're doing. Okay. First off, spoilers for anyone watching or listening, we're doing Home is Where the Bodies Are by Geneva Rose. Love her. Okay. So it we um the word is boards or case. So if you look at a board or a case? Yeah. So if you look at our book of the week, um it is basically the rigid structural cover of a hardcover book. So it's what's under the jacket. So this thing with the tape, the VHS VHS tape, that's the jacket. And the reason I chose board and case is so you can learn something technical in the publishing world. Um, so it's this part.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

It's the hardcover.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

Yes. Okay. And uh basically the un there's another one, the undercover or under jacket design. Sorry. It's popular in modern publishing, often screen printed or embossed with designs. And the reason I wanted to show those is because look at how pretty it is.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

Can I touch it?

SPEAKER_00 2:52

It's so soft, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 2:53

Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

And it's cool because it has the VHS in the VHS player, and it says summer of 1999, which is big in the book. Um, it's just really pretty with the colors, and it's cool because there's a VHS on the jacket.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

The VHS on the front definitely makes more sense now that I've listened to it.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Okay, so board and case.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

It's you could call it either what board or case.

SPEAKER_02 3:25

Okay. Board or case.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

That's the hard part.

SPEAKER_02 3:28

Why can't we just say hardback or hardcover?

SPEAKER_00 3:30

I mean, it is called a hardcover, the book is.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

But if we want to be fancy, we say, Oh wow, look at that book's board.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

That's the parts, yeah. The part of the hardcover. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

So like the part that holds the picture that yeah.

unknown 3:45

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

I'm gonna start using that. Wow, look at that books case. Yeah. Or board. Or board. But you said I could use either, so I wouldn't say board or case. I would say either or, right? So I'd be like, oh wow, look at that books board. Yeah. Or case. Yeah. Okay, so every time I'm gonna use it, you're gonna tell me or board or case. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

I'm being a smarty pants.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

I like it. Well, do you have a lot of good notes?

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Uh I have notes. I just really enjoy her her books.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Okay, well, let's try the beer. Try this.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Cheers.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

It is hazy to an extent. I can almost see my finger through it, which is not that hazy.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

I've liked their stuff better in the past. It has a horrible aftertaste. See, I am trying another setup.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

Yeah, it's not. I mean, it's a mass-produced hazy IPA. Yeah. For what it is, it's consumable. It's not, there's no off-flavors. I don't get anything bad. They're professionals at what they do.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

Is it a Monday night hazy IPA?

SPEAKER_00 5:15

No. No.

SPEAKER_02 5:16

Is it a contrast hazy IPA? No. No. It's a sweetwater hazy IPA.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

So knowing all that, I guess the tropical high part too kind of throws me off because I feel like they just, I don't know what they do, but I just feel like it's just like all of the beer hugs and the voodoo rangers. Yeah. All of the big beers are like, this is only 6%, but the biggest big ones that are like nine and stuff, they're too sweet for me. Yeah. And they have the weird, like, oh, we're tropical punch. And we're like, it's not real. So that's what I was expecting with this.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

So I miss their blue. Yeah. I really like that one back in the day. Do they still make it? They probably do.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

I I think so. We'd have to look that one up if we had a producer. Okay. Um are you ready to get into your notes in the book?

SPEAKER_00 6:08

Sure. Well, first, did you like it?

SPEAKER_02 6:12

I did. I thought it was decent. Um, the more that it went on, the better, in my opinion, that it got.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

Some of my complaints with some of the other books that we've done is that they bring you along so far and you're like, oh wow, it's a great story. And then all of a sudden, they just give you like three or four chapters to sum everything up.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

And I didn't feel like this one did that. I felt like this one, I'm sorry, I pointed at your book again. I did that last up. This one, I don't think that this one did that as much. Um, to me, it actually took me on a ride from the start up and then down. And the way that it ends is a good ending. And yes, that chapter did sum everything up because you know, we'll get to that later, obviously, what it is. But the letter, um, sum close to the end. Maybe it wasn't the last last. Okay. Uh, but it summed everything up. But for me, it just flowed really well. So uh I did like it. Um entertaining. Like I said, I think I'm uh I think I might be a whore, not horror.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Um it's a domestic thriller.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

Thriller, uh mystery type thing. I like those.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

I do too. Yeah. I I've oh I wanted to get more into them. It's just I haven't. Yeah. And I really, really, first off, really like her as what I see online.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Yeah, I I did some uh Instagramming and looks of she's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Yeah, Geneva Rose. Like the first time I saw her, and this is how I discovered her, she was having beef with a man named Scott.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

Dang you, Scott, on her Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

But basically, she's very like sarcastic in a funny way, and um he wrote her an email, and I think he thought he something about it being a review, and she responded to him in a such a funny way, and then they kept going back and forth. But basically, she called him her pen pal, even though he hated her books and told her she shouldn't be writing, and then um a Barnes Noble, one of their employees, recommended one of her books, and they usually hang a piece of paper as to why or what it's about, and then something they think about it, and she got sent one, and it said something about what it was, and then it it said Scott probably wouldn't like this. Scott probably wouldn't like this. It's a whole thing, and that's what got me into like her Instagram. And I'm like, okay, maybe I should go try to read one of her books, and I did, and I like her books, so you know.

SPEAKER_02 8:54

Last week I said I I gave a little spoiler to everybody that Emma gave me the book early, so I was able to start listening to it before we, you know, you told me what it was technically on the pod. Um, and I told you that it I felt like it was kind of like elementary writing style because I don't know what riding writing styles are. Um, but for me to be able to understand it so well, and there was like things like the the bands that the person was like mentioning and stuff, yeah. Um I got all the notes right there, but uh the 08 Camry. She she said something about her car being a uh 2010 Camry, and I'm like, we drive an 08 Camry, you know, like so it was very relatable. So I said elementary, but after I was finished with it, I like it. But now I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

Well, these characters are our age, basically.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

Yeah, so that they're a little bit older, I think, than us. But um I I am curious how much does social media play into somebody enjoying a book now? So you know, you follow her online, yeah. You you know her husband because he's funny online on in her videos, yeah. You you know, the back and forth between her pen pals. Um, so like you're following the storyline of her. So then when she comes out with a book, I wonder if it's I wonder what that plays into it compared to when Jane Austen wrote Pride and Prejudice. Obviously, they didn't have Facebook back then and Instagram, so do the words mean as much as they used to? I don't know what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

I think it's a way to for authors nowadays to be able to get like interact with their audience, also show who they are as people, and then also promote their books. Because if you think about it, somehow they have to be these great writers. You have to attract people to your books, then you have to promote your books. It doesn't matter if it's a book tour or saying, hey, online. I wrote this book, it's about this. Right. I don't know. It's I think it's a good tool if done right. Yeah. Because I mean I didn't know who she was before I found that, and then I watched all those, and now it's been years later. But I have a few of her books, and yeah, I think it's a book is actually right there.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Oh, look at that. Yeah, it's the top book on her oops.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Top book on her thing.

SPEAKER_02 11:26

Look at that, boo. Um, okay, cool. Well, that was just my question. So I like how social media is there for people to be able to get to their audience.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Um I was listening to a podcast because you know I love podcasts.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

So before we jump into it, sorry. Uh I was listening to a podcast and they brought up something about back in the day for comedians, you know, if you didn't see them on the road, you would see their special on HBO or Netflix or whatever. But now with all the podcasts out there, you almost get to know the person behind the scenes. So you're kind of like following their story almost the same as that. So if I went and watched a stand up that I have been following on podcasts for a while and they didn't do so well, I would probably want to You could be very easily disappointed. Well, I wouldn't say that. I I'd I'd be following them, so like I would give them the benefit of the doubt, or I'd be like, oh, it's a it's a night off, or like they're not on it tonight because they've talked about it on the podcasts. Um, so same thing with the book. So it's like, I don't know. Well, it's a good way to be connected.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Her best seller, which I think it's her best seller, out of the I think I have three of her books right now. Out of the three, that one is my least favorite, and it's her bestseller. Really? Yeah. So it's also about preference. So I enjoy her books, and I still enjoyed my least favorite of the three I have, but yeah, I I like her books, so that's good. It was just a question.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

So one thing I really liked that this book did is it it kind of highlighted memory versus reality. So the siblings, all three siblings remember their childhood through um different like lenses, like their perception is reality type deal.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

So when they find the VHS tapes, that kind of showed like when they watched it, that first part of summer nineteen ninety-nine when everything was normal, that showed a more objective reality. It's kind of like what life was like in that moment. Not through their eyes, through their mom's, because she was the one with the camera.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

She was the mom of the POV.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Yeah. And then an example in the book is the girls kept saying Michael was the which was the brother. Michael was the golden child and he got everything. But in reality, he was being, I think the the mom used rehabilitate it in her sections. Um while the girls reason to him. So they were forcing all this love on him to try to rehabilitate him and try to turn him into a good person. So nice. So Nicole. Nope. Okay. Nicole, she's the middle child.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Oh oh, maybe I do want to say something.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

I wasn't going to, but now I gotta ask. How do you want to break this down? Do you are we going chapters? Are we going characters? What are we doing right now so I know where we're at?

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Well, I just have notes. Um, it's not really going by chapter by chapter. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

So if I have things, I can just kind of like blurt them out.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Yeah. Okay. Please, because my chapters, I put them under each person's name and what chapter it was. So I have Beth, oldest, chapter one, chapter three, chapter four, and then I say what happens in those. Okay. Um, but my talking points don't have those. I have examples in my talking points, but my beard's attacking the microphone.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Every time I get close, it's like it sticks to it.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

It's just uh Is it still wet from your shower?

SPEAKER_02 15:38

A little bit. It's just a little sticky. Okay. Um, well then, yeah, what's your next note?

SPEAKER_00 15:44

You didn't want to add something?

SPEAKER_02 15:46

No. Okay. Not yet.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

So, Nicole, she was the middle child. She was the one.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

You're a middle child.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

I am. She was the one that became an addict. She kind of lost her way there for a little bit. So because of that, I feel like her siblings didn't give her enough credit because they didn't trust her. Um like Beth says multiple times, I don't trust her, or what are you gonna do with the money if I sell the house? I don't trust her not to steal something, you know, stuff like that. And then but basically her past actions and that addiction tainted her credibility to her siblings. She was like when she was trying to investigate and actually see if there was more that they could do or more that they could find out about Emma. That's you. Yeah, but I dan die. Not yet. Hey, we're gonna die one day. Yeah. Um, so she that might lead me to the next point.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

Sorry, keep going.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

But she's actually trying to investigate this. Like she was going to Casey, the detective guy that she was friends with in school, saying, Hey, I'm writing a book, and she wasn't at the time. Can I have these case files? Like she was trying to do the right thing, even though at first she was like, Let's not say anything unless we find more. Right. And then she's the one going out trying to find more.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

She also did things behind their back, like open the safety deposit box. Yeah, she stole that key. Yep, that was supposed to go to Beth.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Well, she stole it after what Michael did.

SPEAKER_02 17:48

But still, she stole it.

SPEAKER_00 17:50

Because she wanted to get high again.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

Right. So she stole it.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

And that went back to the can't trust her to do things. Yep. She's proving people's points in that, you know. Um, though Beth didn't really care at the end. She was like, you opened the box, what was in it, and then she handed it. There was not a big fight or anything, but she still stole the key. Stole the key. Stole. She stole the K. Stole. I'm tired, people. I told you. She stole the key and then opened the box. Yeah. It wasn't hers to open.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Yeah, but she thought she I kind of get her point though. Like she was when this started, she was 29 days sober. Right. So she's still fighting. I mean, I don't I think addicts continue to fight even after they've been sober for years.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

Yeah. I think they say they're always an addict or something, you know.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

And like that takes a tremendous amount of courage and stuff to be able to fight that. So when Michael, her brother, was messing with her mind so much, it just like flipped that switch. So, in a way, I understand why she stole that. She thought she was gonna find money or something she could sell in that box. And then as soon as she saw what it was, she took action and she saved her sister. Yep, called the police, cut off that line of thinking, and just went.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

That's true. You sound so stuffy. I am so stuffy. You sound so stuffy.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

Uh Dang Pollen.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

The the brother in the beginning, the brother, that's how I have him down as a brand. His name is Michael. Michael. I always connect with the dudes for some reason. I mean, because I'm a dude.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Well, yeah, and I connect with the ladies.

SPEAKER_02 19:41

And he moved away. He's doing his own thing. He's successful, successful, whatever that means. And tech guy. Yeah, tech guy doing his thing. And the sisters resent him for that, right? Like they don't like him for that reason. Hey, you have a better life than us because you did something, you left, you're making something of yourself. And they all have their reasons for not doing that, right? So, like, uh, what's the drug? Nicole.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Uh-huh. Nicole.

SPEAKER_02 20:13

Nicole was the one doing the drugs, and then I think Beth has like a chapter part on it where she talks about it. Like, yes, Nicole's doing this. I always had to take care of mom or whatever, or however. She was the older sibling.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

She had to take care of everything.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

Dad disappeared. So the dad disappears. Um, but going back to earlier when I was like, oh, this might lead me to the next thing. I think. Oops. Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Go ahead and say it. It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Okay. So I thought this was for the brother, but it's not. This is actually for Lucas. And Lucas is the across the street neighbor.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Bless you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Who is the brother of Emma, the girl that died back in 1999. When she was 12. Yep. So um she talks about his him possibly being a cynic.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

Yeah. I think so.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

And so it's actually chapter 16. She goes on a walks with all a walk with the ex-fling. She says she deleted her social media because she was tired of seeing other people happy.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

So, and then she said something about uh enjoy his cynic cynic view or something like that. And or like how he is a cynic because of his view, because he the way he's acting, which is kind of like everything is how it is.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

And I before she said that part, I was like, oh, I relate with him because like that's how it is. So can you do me a favor? Yeah. Can you look up what a cynic is?

SPEAKER_00 21:43

I have my phone. Yeah. Okay. It says a cynic is a person who believes human actions are primarily motivated by selfishness rather than altruism tr altruism. They're defined by. Distrustful, pessimistic, and often sneering attitude toward human nature and societal motives. Common synonyms include skeptic, pessimist, doubter. So examples. The cynic and him expected the partnership to fail immediately. A cynic might call the charity of charity event a mere publicity stunt. Stuff like that. But basically, behavioral view, they doubt the sincerity of good deeds, general attitude, a habit of expecting the worst in people and situations. Gotcha. Stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

So she was talking about Lucas that way.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

But well, after his sister died or went missing for however many years. Yeah. I get it.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

Can't blame him, I guess. Okay. Well, like I said, I thought that was about Michael. So when you brought up Michael and we were talking about him, I thought that would segue, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

We could talk about whatever we want.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

No, we can't. This is not our podcast. Just joking it's our podcast. We can do what we want. Okay. Um, what you got? What else?

SPEAKER_00 23:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

Anything good?

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Well, Michael as the killer. You want to walk talk about that?

SPEAKER_02 23:21

Well, you just I know that it's spoiler alerts, but like you just dropped a bomb on everybody. Hey guys, Michael's the killer.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

I said spoilers. I know.

SPEAKER_02 23:30

I said that you gave that warning, but you just dropped it like halfway through. You're like, well, and by the way, boom. Michael's the killer.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Okay. So my question to you is did you suspect he would be or not?

SPEAKER_02 23:46

No. So at first, and I text you this, I thought that it was actually Lucas. I thought it was gonna be Lucas, the brother of the person that went missing.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

And why?

SPEAKER_02 23:58

I don't really know why, because I didn't really put any good notes down for that. Let me see. Um, when I text you that though, there was just something bro and sister have to see Daddy or they don't find him, something sketchy motels.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

Was it about him maybe not wanting to know what happened to her when Beth asked?

SPEAKER_02 24:15

Maybe. Um, I think I was also just looking for someone to blame. Because I didn't suspect uh suspect Michael. Um I don't know. I think I was just looking for someone to blame, and there were things that maybe that was part of it, uh him whatever not wanting to know what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

I should have made a better note about that to be like, okay, I think it's him in this part for this reason.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

That's okay. So I have a few reasons why I wouldn't have thought and why I did think he was.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

I thought Michael, like I said earlier, was pretty solid.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

He seemed that way, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

Chapter 23, he's still kicking butt for assist in the hotel or in the motel.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

So, you know, it's not to the very, very end that he becomes the heel. I guess he was from the beginning, but he, you know.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

So it seems that way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

So he killed somebody.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

But uh, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Keep going. So onward.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

In some cases, it was no because he protected Nicole. Um, then he did the brotherly thing when they all went to the bar and he bought most of the rounds. He was just saying, I got this, I have the money, let me just buy it. Um, he continued. Yeah. He continues to get groceries for them without them asking. Um, he bought a phone for Nicole. Yep. Stuff like that. That was chapter seven.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Yeah. That was my only thing that I got out of that chapter. Brother gets druggie a cell phone. That's my note.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

But the thing is, like, too, like Nicole even had a memory where she was like, when I was scared of the monsters under the bed, even though he was my younger brother, he would come and stay and sleep in the foot of my bed to protect me. And it's like, wow, they had a really good relationship as kids, and now like she resents him. And the thing about her resenting him is there was even there was a whole where is it?

SPEAKER_02 26:26

I would I mean, I'd be curio curious why she resents him.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Well, she said it.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

And the reasons are kind of silly.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

Not silly. Everybody has their own reasons. I need to be better about that.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

But she was just like so messed up. She was like, okay, chapter seven, she resents Michael because he left her. Resents him for having money, for not being an addict, and for not being there when she needed him. Because he was there for her as a child, and when he left for seven years, that's when her addiction came out and got bad.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Yeah, so she's blaming him for leaving to better himself instead of staying there to take care of her.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

She felt abandoned because he didn't even visit once.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

Right. Which then we go on to figure out why. But uh no. So at that point I was like, eh, I don't really like that because I resent you for not being a drug addict. But it's also just because you are but that's also a jealousy thing.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Right. Like she's being very human in that moment.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Call him peanut butter because she's jelly. Okay, I tried that last time. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Now, my reasons as to why there were signs that he was the killer.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

He had five chapters from his POV.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

Their dead mother had way more chapters than her him. She here. She had. So he had five chapters.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

So what's why is that why would that make him the killer?

SPEAKER_00 28:04

I don't think one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. She had ten. So she had double the amount of chapters he did. So the reason is yes, we're gonna have more main characters, but if you look at it, she Geneva Rose, she basically evenly split the chapters between Beth and Nicole, even though Beth got more at the beginning. But their chapters were like that. Then you get Laura's, the mom, put in there every now and then. But then Michael, he gets five chapters. It's like, why is he getting so little? So it makes you think, oh, just a little bit. Why? Right?

SPEAKER_02 28:53

Nope, not at all. Didn't make me think that at all.

SPEAKER_00 28:56

It made me think that.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

I like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Okay. And then in some ca cases, like his stance, like when they were discussing things, it came off as if he was the devil's advocate, right? Which is fine. You could be the devil's advocate. Yeah, talk everything through. Then he'd think, like if it was his POV, or say something if it was the girl's POV, that was weird. An example, chapter one. Um he hadn't been home for seven years, which again we later find out why. Um Beth describes that he is not the most trusting person, so he doesn't trust people easily, which could just be a normal thing. But the way Beth describes it in chapter three is kind of kind of funky. Chapter eight, when the will is being read, he had we find out that he had been sending two thousand dollars a month to his mom.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Yep. She had over a hundred thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

And that was another point at that point in the story where I was like, baller move. All right, cool. He was trying to support his mom.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Yeah, you think he's a good guy in that situation. But then, so her their mom was putting that money into a separate account, right? So it wasn't touched, nothing was touched at all with that. And then we find out from the lawyer that she wanted all of that money to be donated to the missing person's foundation. The girls take it to mean that is in reference to their dad because his dad their dad disappeared. And then Michael's jaw got tight at the news. That was page 43. He got his jaw, he like he didn't like that at all. Like he got kind of standoffish. Yeah, I get it. You might be frustrated your money wasn't used how you wanted it to be. But the way, again, the way it was written, it's like this is just how I'm seeing it. Yeah, that's neat. Then chapter 12, page 65. Michael says another omino an om uh an anonymous thing, like guilt can eat you slowly or swallow you whole. And that was in reference to the girls questioning if their dad left in 2015 because of his role in the Emma situation. That comment can be seen when you look back once you get to an end, as a sentence that can be used for Michael's situation and his parents' situation. Like the older you get, the more you realize emotions and stuff. Like you can Yeah, guilt can eat at you, but the way he said it when it just hit.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Yeah. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

My chapter 24 says, Ew, she kisses the neighbor boy, gross. Oh, I got out of that chapter.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

She does kiss him. That was Lucas.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

That was gross. I skipped ahead 30 seconds somewhere. I think I notated where I did. I was like, oh, oh, right here. 36. Gross, they kiss. I skipped 30 seconds. And then Lucas says his dad killed his sis, but Beth says no. She shows him the tape, but the footage is gone. Bomb bum bum. That's gross kisses. I was like, I don't want to hear about this. Sorry. You're good. Filler content.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

And then chapter 26, page 144. He has a thought, this was during one of his POVs, that everything in the parents' house should be trashed because things from the past hold us back from going forward. And he said or he bel he states in his POV that that is the only way to live. Why should things be stay in the past? Like, don't you care that your parent is now dead? Shouldn't you want one thing to remember them by? I get I get that some people aren't as touchy-feely don't want to hold on to like knickknacks like that. But also it's like we have our pet spaw prints that have passed, you know? I would hate it if we didn't have that. Yeah. It's not the same as a human, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

I think everybody's different. Obviously, he didn't want it for specific reasons, but uh the past is the past.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

You can't change the past. You can learn from the past. You can not speaking for him, obviously, because he's a killer, but you know, just taking something out of there, like, you know, you can learn from it, but like you can't change it. So not wanting to keep all the stuff, like then he'd have to have a whole nother house to keep everything, you know? So like he he was willing to buy the house, but for different reasons. Alternative motive, alternative motive.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Which we find out at the end.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

Yep. Um, but yeah, I think that like not living in the past. I don't know, it's a good thing. What is it? When you uh when you live in the future, it's anxiety. When you live in the past, it's like depression or something, you know. Have you ever heard that? Um so like when you th or or not live, when you think too much about the future. You get anxious, you get anxious when you think too much about the past and things that you've done in the past that you can't change. Oh, I'm a bad person, or like blah blah blah. You need to learn learn from that, but like you need to live in the now, you know. Like the now is the only thing that you can control. You can't control the future unless you're doing something in the now. You obviously can't change the past, but yeah. Um so I kind of understood where he was coming from. Like, once again, that part get rid of everything. Like, hey, you just keep moving on. I was like, all right, cool, still a baller, like whatever.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

That's what I that's just where I that's where I that's where I'm coming from.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

It just stuck out to be. Again, these could all be argued. You have a different POV than I do.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

And it changed once I realized he was the killer. I was like, oh yeah, screw that guy. Um, quick question. Chapter 15. They go back to the mom's POV, and she mentions that moms just know where their kids are. And she was talking to the mom of the dead girl who she was looking for her own son. She was like looking for Michael or whatever. And then the dead girl's mom was looking for the girl.

SPEAKER_00 36:20

Susan.

SPEAKER_02 36:21

And she was just like, Oh yeah, like, ooh, moms just know, like, she's not there or whatever. And she she said that, like, she's like, I knew where Mike was because moms just know that. So he was there somewhere with her. Um, and then I put foreshadowing. Dun dun dun. So chapter 15. Okay, good. Yeah, chapter 15. She was looking for her son. The other mom was looking for the daughter that disappeared. So I put foreshadowing.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

And he was the one that could be.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

He was the one that killed her. And that's why she said moms always know where their kids are, or whatever. So, like something else happened that was just my very lackluster note. They're just like, No, that was a good note.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

Boo. I'm so proud of you.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Yeah, so I saw that. I was like, ooh, foreshadowing. So uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

Okay, I'm gonna keep going. I have to do that. You're still wrong about Michael. Yeah, I'm right here.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

Okay, keep going.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

So, chapter 30. They went to the boar's nest. Right? Okay. Remember, Michael had suggested it.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

I put I like the brother's mean attitude. Keep going.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

I put he suggests it.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

I put ha ha ha ha ha ha afterwards, though.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

To stop the girls.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

He speaks truth.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Speculation, investigation, so he can get out of the house as well as refocus their attention on setting settling the estate.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

He wants to buy the house.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

Yes, and that's when he said, Hey, I want to buy the house, I'll even offer above market value, blah, blah, blah. Seems like, again, it seems like it's a good brother move. Yeah. And he's also like saying he's a great brother. Yeah, and he's also like saying, Let's refocus this so we can settle the estate and move on with our lives because we know from his other comments that he doesn't like staying in the past.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

Right.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

But again, after you read the ending and you look back at this, you're like, he didn't want them figuring out anything. And then he was also like, I want the house. Give me the house.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

At the time, I was just like, yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

You'd already read this one, so you had insight.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

It was a while ago.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

You still had insight.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Yeah, but I forgot a lot of what happened until I started rereading and then it started coming back to you.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

So you had insight. You had insider information. This is insider trading.

SPEAKER_00 39:03

Uh chapter 11, page 49, when they went to watch the tape where the they saw Emma dead. Um he says before that digging up the past is depressing. When the girls want to watch it, and then afterward, after the first part of the video where it's their normal lives, he's white as a ghost, but also the girls are like crying and stuff because it's memories, but just the white as a ghost part was like after it showed Christy, even though he had nothing to do with her disappearance, he still turned white as a ghost. And then I think it's also the he recognized it could be just reaching far out there with this, but he recognized that was the summer where everything happened.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

I think you just don't like a strong MMC.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Oh, I do.

SPEAKER_02 40:03

I'm gonna make you read a book or you better not like a strong MMC. What do you mean? Oh, I do.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

And I'm gonna make you read a book where there are uh multiple strong MMCs in there.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

No, let's not start this snorting thing again.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Oh, it's gonna be so good. You're gonna be like, you like this character? Like, yeah.

unknown 40:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

You're probably not gonna like him.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

You probably won't.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Um, chapter 22, page 122 to 123, the car ride to find dad.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

Bro and says drive to find daddyo. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:51

So when him and Nicole are in the car on the way there, and they're talking, and she was basically like, Where have you been for seven years? Um, it seems as if he as if he slips up when he states to Nicole that Laura, their aka their mom, told him not to come back. And then there's pause, and you get text of him thinking, or Nicole thinking, and then he eventually explains that comment away with some lame excuses about dad was mad, I was more successful than him, blah blah blah. But he then relaxes more, you could tell with his body language, when Nicole says something similar, but that's in relation to her sobriety. Chapter 28, uh, that's down with Michael, I promise. So she gets a pass, but he doesn't. Okay, cool. No, she doesn't get a pass. She's a flawed human being in this book. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Chapter 28, when the siblings talk about um Christy's disappearance and confirm their mom's change after Emma, Michael downplays the whole situation. Later, we learn in Laura's truth letter that Christy's role in them finding out Christy was the one that had the role in the parents finding out the truth of Emma's death.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

So in chapter 28, the sis, the drug addict, watches another video.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

I thought that was Beth.

unknown 42:33

I thought it was Nicole. Can't look at that.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

28, yes. Nicole, yeah, it was her.

SPEAKER_02 42:41

So she did that, and then later on, that's when she goes and does the lock box, opens the safety deposit box, so that's another strike against her. Yeah. You you're just going in on Michael over here. Well, he I know he's the killer, but I mean, like, we didn't know that till like towards the end. Like, you're just going ham on him.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

But the way he was so opposed to anything his sister said kind of like raised a like a little bit of a red flag. Well, you could have devil advocate thoughts and stuff. No problem. But you see Beth and Nicole also disagreeing, but not in the same way.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

He's second-guessing his drug addict sister.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

No, he I feel like he was more protective of her than that.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

He went in there and I still liked him in that because he went in there. I said, dang, bro, starts kicking some butt. Some dude gave him an unfriendly nod in the beginning, but after he kicked some butt, he gave him a friendly nod. And I like how he said, uh I could tell it was a it was a friendly nod or whatever. It was like, oh, okay, cool. That was it.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

That was a cool scene.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

I will give him props for that POV chapter.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

So see That's why, still at that point, I'm like, all right, cool. So he provided a lot of money to his mom. He was trying to take care of her, and the sisters didn't know, which is another reason they didn't like him, or you know, they had they resented him. Resented him for that reason, four reasons. And that was like, hey, you weren't here. And he was like, Cool, I wasn't here, but I was paying for everything. And they're like, What do you mean? I was paying for everything. Beth said that. Uh, and then they that's when they find the hundred K. So, like, that's one ding for him. He was like, Hey, I'm trying to be good, trying to help out where I can. Uh, then he beats up some people, a drug person for his sister. Yeah. So that's number two. He's buying them all the drinks and everything. He's buying their groceries, he's doing it all for bad motives, but he's doing the things.

SPEAKER_00 44:47

Yeah. You gotta keep up the facade facade facade. Thank you. Ficade facade. Thank you. Uh, you gotta keep it up though. If you're trying to hide things, you gotta be like, I'm the good person. Look at me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

Okay, what else what else you got? You're done with Michael?

SPEAKER_00 45:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

All right.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

Laura's letter. Chapter 46, page 233 to 238. So she could not bear the guilt, and that's as seen with her actions for Charles. And then she left the letter. She reveals they didn't actually favor Michael. They were afraid of what he did and who he could become. They were essentially his emotional hostages and real accomplices. Every gift is basically a desperate attempt for them to rehabilitate him, saying, see, we love you. You're a good person, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Like put the energy somewhere else.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

Yeah, like focus on tech. You can make something of yourself. And he did.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

One thing with that is that one of the reasons the girls resented him, which makes sense here, is that they did think that they were he was being unfairly.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

He was. Okay. He was being unfairly treated compared to them. Right. Sorry to cut you off. It's okay. Keep going. So after she lays out everything that happened, her maternal instinct evaporated and severed forever. Him basically killing Emma and Brian destroyed his or her ability to see him as a son. I don't I don't know about you, but I don't know like how she would be like, I still love you, but I never want to see you. I would have been like, I I hate you, you killed the love of my life.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

Wild. What'd you think about that part where we find out that dad did not disappear?

SPEAKER_02 47:23

I figured he died somehow. Um, but I didn't know it was Michael. Don't trust the brother. That's what she says in 44.

unknown 47:36

Don't trust him.

SPEAKER_02 47:39

It says uh the person who was yelling for Beth finds her. It was Lucas. And then it says, Don't trust the brother. He smashes Lucas. Or yeah, he smashes Lucas with the metal. So the whole going back to what the mom said of your dad doesn't didn't disappear. Yeah. And then don't trust, and that was the point where it's like, oh, don't trust the brother. So like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

And right before that scene, that's when she finds the graves in the pet cemetery. And she's like, We never had a pet named Butterfly, Goofy or Garfield. And then the reason, she's like, I have no idea who Garfield is. But the reason Emma was called Butterfly was because she was always described as one like a little person taking off with her wings. And then Goofy. That was their nickname for their dad, because he was even when he was stern, he was so goofy. That was sad. That was really sad. What do you think of the choice of Brian and Laura, aka mom and dad, to protect Michael and to try to rehabilitate him? I don't think I could ever do that. Nah. Yeah, if we had a kid. Probably never will. But we don't want to be parents. Um here's a prime example of why, right? You never know if your kid's gonna turn out to be a psychopath.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

Or the next president of the United States. True. But and some might say that's the same thing. Sorry, keep going.

SPEAKER_00 49:36

That's you'd have in that job. There's a reason why every president that goes in, their hair instantly grays like that stress.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Woo.

SPEAKER_00 49:50

Another thing. Um with that of them protecting him. That Brian called in that anonymous tip on Charles Gallagher, which is the creepy neighbor. And that is I found that like so sad. No, Brian did. Um I can't read my handwriting. Couldn't agree with that. Oh, I couldn't agree with that, but he says he did that to protect them all. But I love how Laura went back and put the bike somewhere where it could be found, Emma's bicycle, to kind of while Charles was in jail.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

Okay, so wait, start over, like what are you talking about? Brian doing what?

SPEAKER_00 50:56

Brian is the one that called in. Called in what? The anonymous tip for Charles Gallagher. Okay. Which is where the police were focusing on him to like saying he had something to do with saying the Charles.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

Yes. Not Brian. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 51:16

Where he, Charles, had something to do with Emma's disappearance. Okay. And then because it's a small town, everyone else jumped on that bad bandwagon. And then we find out he did that to protect them, but because of the Brian to protect Laura and the whole family. Okay. But Laura couldn't live with the guilt that Charles was being pinned down for Emma's disappearance. That she put his bike or Emma's bike out where it could be found. And that is what got Charles Gallagher out of jail. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

So what about that were you going for?

SPEAKER_00 52:07

It was sad. Like also the fact that Brian called in the anonymous tip, I get he was trying to protect it. He'd do anything to protect his family. But jeez, that poor innocent man was already a loner. And then because of that tip, Eddie, Lucas's and Emma's dad, killed Charles, beat him to death. And then Brian, their dad, helped Eddie, Lucas, and Emma's dad hide the body.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

And that's why home is where the bodies are.

SPEAKER_00 52:40

Yeah. It's like, and he was, I believe, Garfield in the in the Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

Yeah. The third body. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

It's just like, dang, your dad is like a professional body hider.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

Okay. What else he got?

SPEAKER_00 53:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

So do you remember and I'm coming up in like an hour or two, just this is my last thing.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

Do you remember when Laura in her chapters, like she thought that Brian was the killer? She's like, I can't believe I'm living with a monster until Brian told her the real truth of what happened with Emma's body.

SPEAKER_01 53:33

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Okay. So in keep that in mind. Okay. Chapter 15. Chapter 15, page 78. They're at the Groovin and the Grove Carnival slash fundraiser. And Laura takes a picture with Susan. They take a little selfie, right? And uh Laura goes into the history of that camera, basically saying Brian bought it for her. He said he lost the receipt receipt, so he couldn't return it because money was tight. And she stated that Brian was always a terrible liar. So she knew he was lying in like that instance. So you would think in all of her POVs before Brian became clean that she would have realized he was telling the truth. Did I say became?

unknown 54:40

I think so.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Oh, I wrote I wrote came. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

He didn't become clean because the sister needs to become clean. Yeah. The dad came clean with everything.

SPEAKER_00 54:51

But you would have thought, like, if you could tell he is an easy or not a good liar, you would have thought that she would have realized he was telling the truth. Right. But he just couldn't tell her the full truth because he was protecting her. But also that puts it into question, like, would you expect someone to help you bury a body and then not tell them the truth? Like, why am I helping you do this? Because that guilt was eating away at Laura.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

Shouldn't have helped conceal a body, and then you wouldn't have the guilt for concealing a body. Case closed.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

True. But I think that one line of her saying Brian was always a terrible liar was Geneva Rose's way to say that Brian is not the killer. And to us, and then to Laura saying actually do what he says and trust him. Okay. I just really like her books.

SPEAKER_02 56:03

Yeah, I like it. I like the smile at the end of the explanation. You're like, then it's cute. I like it. Thanks. Okay. Well, do you have anything else on this? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Do you? No, I think it kind of hit everything. Would you read another one of her books? I think so.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

Um, I do have one thing. Yeah. I mentioned it earlier, but the 08 Camry is what we drive. Um that's two years newer, or hers was uh Beth's was two years newer than ours. And then in the next chapter, the sister mentions good songs, California Cation, Last Resort by Papa Roach, and then Hurt by Nine Inch Nails. Um, and right when she mentioned Hurt by Nine Inch Nails, she was talking about her first overdose, and she could recite all this all the words to it or whatever for that reason because she could remember what was playing, and that kind of stuck out, and I stopped playing the uh book and I started listening to Hurt by Nine Inch Nails. Yeah, yeah, because it's a good song because hurt is originally, I think it's by Johnny Cash.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

Oh yeah, is it?

SPEAKER_02 57:14

I hurt my song today to see if I still feel well and the nine-inch nails version. You can just feel you can feel the energy. So uh I do like that part too. So, like that's my last note is that I do like the book because it pulled things that I knew that I could listen to. California Cation loved the chili pepper version. Yep. Uh Last Resort. I could almost sing every single word to the last resort. All right, what's next, baby? What do we got?

SPEAKER_00 57:43

We'll let you rate it.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

Oh, um as a sign up, babe. Um, I think I'd give this a solid three eight.

SPEAKER_00 57:55

I give it a four. Okay. Pretty close. Okay, what is next? It is. It was from the book Bolt uh Book Birthday Hall. The Things We Leave Unfinished by Rebecca Yarros. I have never read this before, so I have no idea how good it is, how bad it is, what's in it.

SPEAKER_02 58:25

There are over So you don't have insider information, and you're not gonna be insider trading on this book because you already knew what happened in the last one.

SPEAKER_00 58:34

There are 429 pages. Jeez, that's a long one.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

Is that our longest?

SPEAKER_00 58:39

No.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

What's our longest so far?

SPEAKER_00 58:42

Well, I think we're in the fours. This might be our longest. That might be. Yeah. Do you want to read the back? Nope.

SPEAKER_02 58:53

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:54

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 58:57

Told in alternating timelines, the things we leave unfinished examines the risks we take for love, the scars too deep to heal, and the endings we can't bring ourselves to see coming. Twenty-eight-year-old Georgia Stanton has to start over after she gave up almost everything in a brutal divorce: the New York House, the Friends, and The Pride. Now, back at home, at her late great-grandmother's estate in Colorado, she finds herself face to face with Noah Harrison, the best-selling author of a million books, where the cover is almost people nearly kissing. He's just as arrogant in person as in interviews. And she'll be danged if the good-looking writer of love stories thinks he's the one that's gonna finish her grandfather's, her grandmother's final novel. Can't read that fast, even if the publisher publishers swear he's the perfect fit. Noah is at the pinnacle. I know Noah. Noah is at the pinnacle of his career. With book and movie deals glower, there isn't much the golden boy of modern fiction hasn't accomplished. But he can't walk away from what he might be the best book of the century, the one his idol, Scarlet Stanton, left unfinished. Coming up with a fitting ending for a legendary author is one thing, but dealing with her beautiful, stubborn, and cynical bringing up cynical, look at that great-granddaughter, Georgia is quite another. But as they read Scarlett's words in both the manuscript and her box of letters, they start to realize why Scarlett never finished the book. It's based on her real life romance with a World War II pilot. And the ending is isn't a happy one. Georgia knows all too well that love never works out. And while the chemistry and connection between her and Noah is undeniable, she is as she's as determined as ever to learn from her great-grandmother's mistakes, even if it means destroying Noah's career. Book's done. Let's go. All right. We're almost out of tape. We gotta go, guys.

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SPEAKER_01 1:01:13

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:14

What are you doing? I'm gonna be fighting someone.

unknown 1:01:19

Okay.

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Alright, we got it. Do some