Perks of Being a Wallflower | Episode 30

 WARNING: THIS PODCAST HAS SPOILERS

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JD is back behind the mic this week as we discuss The Perks of Being a Wallflower by  Stephen Chbosky.

The Perks of Being a Wallflower is a 1999 young adult novel by American author Stephen Chbosky. Set in the early 1990s, the novel follows Charlie, an introverted and observant teenager, through his freshman year of high school in a Pittsburgh suburb. The novel details Charlie's unconventional style of thinking as he navigates between the worlds of adolescence and adulthood, and attempts to deal with poignant questions spurred by his interactions with both his friends and family.


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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hi Boo. Welcome back.

SPEAKER_01 0:01

I'm back.

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Hey.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

What's up, all the Booze out there? I'm back. Original Boo. Feels nice. Gotta move my chair. The dog's right here. Don't want to hit her.

SPEAKER_03 0:14

She she's found her spot for the podcast today.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

She's keeping my feet warm, even though it's already hot in here. But whatever. Feels good to be back. You ready?

SPEAKER_03 0:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Alright. Well, I'm ready. Um, what uh that was a cat.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Of course. Um, before we jump into the word of the week, we read The Perks of Being a Wallflower by Steven Chiboski. Chiboski. Chiboski?

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

I'm probably saying his name wrong. I think Chiboski.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Chiboski. I haven't even seen it, but that's how my boy on uh on YouTube said it. I'm gonna have to pull that up while you're while you're talking about the word of the week. But real quick, we are drinking tonight. I wasn't here last week to announce it, so I feel it's like weird. It's weird. I'm back. Uh so we're doing the tantillo again.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

It's so spicy this time.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

This is the habanero version. We did jalapeno last time.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

I love the jalapeno one.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Jalapeno is really good. I like the habanero. It does have a very nice kick to it, but we just did basic mules.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

I needed more ginger beer.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Thankfully, we had it. So um okay cheers. Cheers. And then tell us the word of the week. And I'm gonna look up my boy on YouTube real quick.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Okay. Word of the week. I'm gonna pull it back up. It is, I'm probably gonna say this wrong. Epistolary E-P-I-S-T-O-L-A-R-Y. And it's uh the book is written in diary format or a series of letters to an unnamed friend. It falls under the epistolary subgenre. Epistill E P I S.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

E. P I S.

SPEAKER_03 2:22

T. O.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

T. O.

SPEAKER_03 2:24

L A L A R Y.

unknown 2:27

R Y.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

Epistolary. I feel like I'm in a spelling B.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Can you use it in a word or in a word? Sorry. Can you use it in a sentence? Uh an adjective describing written works, most commonly novels that are composed of a series of documents rather than standard continuous prose.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

So letters in this case. Kind of like a diary entry.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Okay. What are some other books that you've read that are written like that? Anything off the top of your mind that you can think of?

SPEAKER_03 3:00

Uh there's one in college, but I don't remember the name of it.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

What about that letters from home or letters to home or the letters book that you want me to read by our girl? Or was that Rebecca Yarrows?

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Oh yeah, what is it called?

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Letters. There was the things left unfinished by her, right? And then there was the letters one.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

Rebecca Yarros. Oh my gosh, I cannot believe I'm blinking right now.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

You don't have to pull it up if you don't.

SPEAKER_03 3:28

Oh, too late.

unknown 3:33

All right.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Key letters. Keith characteristics of uh epsipito.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

The last letter. That's what I want you to read.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Okay. Is that one of these as well?

SPEAKER_03 3:46

Uh there's letters in it.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Epistolary.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

But it's more of a contemporary romance.

unknown 3:53

Epistolary.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Epistolary.

SPEAKER_03 3:55

Epistolary.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

Epistolary. Oh wow. It has an I and then an apostrophe and then a P I S T E upside down E L, the letter, the number three R I slash as the pronunciation.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Oh, there you go. There you go. Cool.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Epistolary. There you go. That's a weird. Okay. Well, we can move past that now. Okay. Sorry, this one's not going to be as fun as it was with the guest boo.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

Oh no, this one will be fun. Because, well, because yes, this is a coming of age story, and yes, it has very sensitive topics, but there's so many good quotes in this book that I'm just like, I want to talk about. So you're gonna have to listen to me explain some things.

unknown 4:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 4:47

Do you want to go first though? Is there anything that stood out to you about this book?

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Um, not really. I mean, I have things that I want to touch on as the book went through.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

Okay. Um what's one of the things you want to touch on?

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Well, I mean, I don't want to jump around. Oh, I'm going to. Okay. Um, well, let's see. The first thing I have is October 14th, 1991. Uh-huh. I just turned one the day before. Uh he told Sam about the naked dream. He cried. Homie's the B word. So he cries way too much in this.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

So I have something to say about that.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

I was gonna look it up. I need to Google that. That's one thing that we're gonna about to Google. Uh, how many times did what's his name, Ben?

SPEAKER_03 5:36

Charlie.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

Charlie. How many times did homie cry? Um, but the naked dream part was just funny because it was like, oh, he had his first dream about like a girl or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 5:47

First dream, yes. Well, I don't know if it said that part about well, he said it his dream felt really good. That's what it said. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

Okay, maybe, maybe, but uh don't eat the pillow, dude.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

Bernard.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

He's in the teething mode. He bit his sister earlier and got in trouble.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

I just bit him back.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Um but then it was just funny that he felt bad about it and then told her, told Sam, saying, Oh, I felt bad about it. And she kind of laughed it off and said, Well, I'm too old for you, you know, like don't waste your time thinking about me in that light. Um, but it was just me thinking back to that time. I'm like, psh, you never tell girls when you dream about them. What you doing?

SPEAKER_03 6:34

Well, that's the thing about Charlie is he's socially awkward. And I think that is And he cries a lot. Yeah, but I think that's because of his history that we don't know about until the very end. And if you think about it, he has panic attacks very easily. So it makes me wonder if he has PTSD from his abuse as a child that he didn't know he had. Um, but he was hospitalized a few times, and um that's why and I think he's just he's emotionally aware, but he's emotionally stunted and awkward, and yeah, he doesn't know how to just because he's always been in the background, he's always been a wallflower, you know. So he doesn't really know how to be there socially yet. So it makes sense to me that he cries a lot.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

But he learns. Yeah, and he still cries though, but he learns a lot, but he still cries. Okay, uh, what's one thing you have?

SPEAKER_03 7:37

Um so the first time he's called a wallflower is by Patrick on page 37. And like the perk of him being a wallflower, Charlie, is that I feel like he can stay safe.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

What is what is a wallflower?

SPEAKER_03 7:57

So it's basically someone who just they don't participate. Um, they are on the outside of things and they observe human interaction. I I guess that's how I would describe it.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:11

And the perk for Charlie being a wallflower is he can process like the things that are going on around him without getting hurt or being the center of attention. Because later we see in the book that he was staying safe until he actually started participating in life, like Bill told him he should do. And that runs the risk of him getting hurt again. But we see that with the Mary Elizabeth situation. But once he starts participating, he starts to gain an identity.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

That's true.

SPEAKER_03 8:51

Yeah. So he comes into his own a bit. I do like that. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

I like it. What else you got?

SPEAKER_02 8:58

What about you?

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Uh uh um Bill and him talk about using thought to not participate in life. Let's discuss.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

Ooh. So well, that's another part of the wallflower. Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Kind of goes off of what you were just saying about kind of like uh observing uh observing people's like interactions with each other. Human behavior, yeah, human be behavior, and then how how like he was taught he even then later on in the book, he talks about the mother and the child at the mall.

SPEAKER_03 9:28

Yep, yeah, and he's like, it's unsettling. He called it unsettling. Yeah. I don't remember why he did, but he called it unsettling, and it's like, imagine coming to that conclusion because you're watching a mother and the son, but it's I probably because the son got lost.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

I like how the kid that brought him back or found him said something to the mother that was just like watching better, but he used a foul foul word in there as well. But uh sometimes, you know, like when we're in public or when I'm in public and I see things like that, I think the same things in my head where I'm like, watch your kid, like don't let your kid do that. Like, why is your kid screaming at the top of its lung and you're just not paying attention? Or yeah, why is it running off? Could get hit by a car, could could get lost, could do something. We see it a lot a lot, especially at the brewery and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 10:20

Like a lot of people, but parents want to escape, and I get that, but also it's like they're still your kids. Yep, watch them, make sure they don't get run over by the car, even though there's a fence there. Yep. They're kids, they could probably get over it.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Go to the farmer's market and there's you know, kids running everywhere, which is great, but you know, they're just not paying attention. And it's like, you know, the parents aren't either.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

Yeah, so uh that's what kids do, they don't pay attention.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

Yep. So sometimes I will you think that in your head when he was just like, She was like, Oh, I'm so thankful, whatever. And he was like, Well, just next time pay attention to your kid.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Yeah. Um because there are a lot of parents out there that don't, but also there are accidents that happen where that kid probably just slipped her butt.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

But that whole thing about he uses his mind where he just thinks about everything instead of interacting. Um do you think there's ever a time where that's good?

SPEAKER_03 11:18

In certain situations, it could be good. Yeah. Like to avoid it to avoid cl conflict. Like if you're in an awkward situation with your family and they're just going back and forth. Like when he was describing Thanksgiving, and then he's had to say what he was thankful for. And then he's like, I'm glad we all watched, I'm thankful for my brother playing football because then we don't argue or whatever. Because everyone was watching his brother play football on TV, and it was like awkward, but also it's like that's the time not to say that out loud, even though it turned out to be a funny moment because his aunt was like agreeing with him, but the good aunt. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Sorry. Okay, that was my what you got.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

Here's a quote that I really, really liked. So I think it was Bill told this to Charlie. We accept the love we think we deserve on page 24. And that was after he had told Bill that his boyfriend or his sister's boyfriend hit her, and then the sister got in trouble basically saying, You can't see him anymore.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Can I say something real quick, which isn't gonna sound good? What I'm still gonna say because it's in the book. The sister told the boyfriend, you need to stand up for yourself. You see how that that person stands up for them? You need to do that and hit your enemy, or like, you know, you're hit your bully or do whatever, and then he socks her in the face.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

And then Charlie was like, I guess he hit his bully.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Stood up to his bully, yeah, stood up to his bully, which is just wild. So I mean that's how it's written, and I'm laughing about it. And yeah, abuse is nothing to do with it. Oh no, yeah, but the way that it was just like she was just like, you need to stand up to your bullying.

SPEAKER_03 13:16

He's like, and then she's completely changed after that.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

And she completely changed, but this was written back what in the 90s, or not maybe not written, but this was when it um released after that. But it was uh 91 is when it's taking place. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 13:32

Um I agree with that though, like it's funny that Charlie pointed that out, but and it was funny in the more moment how he described it, even though abuse is definitely not something to laugh about. But um his the boyfriend actually showed like his true characters with the pregnancy thing, so we're not gonna like him for that. Um but it's Patrick, Sam, the sister, none of them all of them accept the love they thought they deserved. And it's kind of sad because I think everyone goes through that one point where it's like, why am I still with this person? And it's like, why did I let them treat me this way? Or how am I here? You know, it's like uh Sam she struggled with her self-worth. The sister even said that, her and Mary Elizabeth said that, or struggle with their self-worth. Um and that dictates how she lets others treat her. Like her first kiss was a father's friend. She told that to Charlie.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Yeah, that's wild.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Yeah. And that I think built on her self-worth, and she seems to gravitate towards toxic relationships, much like the sister, Charlie's sister. Um, and then Patrick, the whole Brad situation, like he was okay being a secret. I know during that time it wasn't as widely accepted being gay.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

But he was the football player too, right?

SPEAKER_03 15:13

Yeah, Brad was. So he was in that popular click and he had to hide it, and then obviously when his father found out, he did not react very well, so no wonder Brad was hiding it. But Patrick accepted the love he thought he deserved. So all of them did. And even the sister said that Sam used to be the blow queen in sophomore year. So I mean, that shows you part of that history too. So there's a lot of little things in this book about self worth. And that's why I really like that quote because it's very relatable in a sad way.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Yeah. One thing I thought of was uh who's the person that plays that person in the movie?

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Um, Sam.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Sam, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

Emma Watson. Emma Watson.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

Well, when she towards the end of the book, right before she leaves, her and homeboy are kissing, and then he says, Oh, well, we, you know, touched each other above our waists, and then she put my hand in her pants, and I pulled it out and I started crying. It's like, dog, when Emma Emma Watson puts your hand in her pants, dog. You don't you don't pull it out and cry.

SPEAKER_03 16:32

Hey.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Yeah, uh, it's been years though.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

I know, but I mean I've seen things. Like, I mean, I've seen I know what the movie like I've seen things, but that's what I'm picturing in my head. I'm picturing those actors for this.

SPEAKER_03 16:49

And then the Charlie dude, he's a really big actor. Well, he was really big. He was like Percy Jackson, he was in 13 Reasons Why, he was in the Ezra one was a big guy too. Oh, yeah, he was in a lot too.

unknown 17:04

Wait, Ezra?

SPEAKER_01 17:06

He was the one that I think he's the Patrick. He's Patrick, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

Yeah, but he's he's been in a lot too. Like, they're all really good actors.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

Ezra Miller.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

That's it, yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Yeah, he has a yeah, he has like long hair now.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

Uh I think we should watch this movie tonight while you're training.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Yeah, definitely. Uh Justice League, after school, uh Fantastic Beasts.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

He was in Fantastic Beasts. Wait, did we see that?

SPEAKER_01 17:38

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

Oh no, you might have, right? That's the hair trainer. We did not see that.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

I thought that he might have been in a Christmas movie that I was thinking about, but it's it wasn't him, it was someone else. Um Okay, yeah, sorry. Okay, that was it.

SPEAKER_03 17:56

What else you got? Um I like this going back and forth thing instead of just going topic to topic.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Well, I I thought that was mine.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Oh, was it? No, because I just talked about uh the quote.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Oh, right, okay. Oh, well then sis says, He's my whole world. Dad says, never say that about anyone. I kind of like their dad.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

Yeah, and then the mom said, not even about me.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Yep. Um and I well yeah, yeah.

unknown 18:26

Cool.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Sorry, keep going. No. No, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

What about that part?

SPEAKER_03 18:32

No, I I agree with you. I I kind of like their dad because of that.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

I thought it was cool.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

Well, the fact that his dad uh Charlie made a point to say that his dad I understood my dad better because he had to leave the abusive household even though his stepfather was dead, because his mom and sister he would have lived their life and not his own life. That was really telling the theme of people we love can cause our deepest pain. Like there's so many heavy topics in this book, like depression, editing, self-unaliving, grief over loss, uh, abuse. So like when his best friend in middle school, Michael, self-unalived himself, that call uh hey, I'm editing. Can I say the S-word?

SPEAKER_01 19:46

It's funny that what you're you said he self-unalived himself, and then you said I'm editing. No, you're self-editing, he unalived himself.

SPEAKER_02 19:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Yeah, there you go. Okay. All the words, you just left them and miss mixed them up. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

I'm not used to self-editing.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

Okay, self-editing. There you go. You got it that time. Self-editing. He unalived himself. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 20:11

Thank you. Um, so when M Michael did that before right before high school, that hurt Charlie. Yeah. Like he he can't get over that, and that's when his episodes start back up again, because they first happened when he was seven after his aunt died. And then that's when they started up again after Michael passed. And then his sister, how there was one scene where I forgot what it where it was, but it was after the boyfriend the parents found out about the boyfriend hitting her, and she was like, I hate you to Charlie, and Charlie is like, I love you, and she called him like a freak. I mean, words stick with you. Yeah. Even though they their relationship got better as time went on in this book. But that's very impactful and hurtful. Yeah. And then obviously the Aunt Helen thing that we learn at about at the end. So it's sad because he said that she was his favorite person.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

The whole book it was about that too.

unknown 21:29

Wild.

SPEAKER_03 21:30

What you got?

unknown 21:31

Wild.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Um They played the game of the football when you hold the football and you run around and you smear the person that has it. Back in the day it was called something that you're not allowed to say anymore.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 21:48

Yep. They say it in the book. Um and when they were describing it, I was like, oh, smear the um and I was like, wait, I can't say that anymore, can't I? And I was like, wait, how could I how could I say that in? Sixth grade. Like why in sixth grade I didn't understand what it meant. And it was just a game. And it wasn't until like, you know, maybe seventh grade, eighth grade that I was like, oh, okay, like the Q word means something.

SPEAKER_03 22:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

And so smear the whatever back in the day was a game. We used to play it in people's front yard when I lived in England. Like that was just a game. And then so that was it came up. So that was kind of relatable to my life when I was younger.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

It's like how when I don't, it's probably not the same, but they would always go to Big Boy.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Oh, yeah. And I thought about your family.

SPEAKER_03 22:38

And every time my family travels to Ohio to visit extended family, my family likes to stop at Big Boy. It's a chain restaurant. We always stop at the first one up 75. And it's just something I grew up with. So it's I don't know if it's the same big boy, but they always go to Big Boy. And every time I saw that or read that, I was like, uh huh. Family.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

The book had a lot of relatable things as far as restaurants, bands, books.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

Siblings fighting. In the car, for instance, the brother and sister fighting on the way to Christmas. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Yes. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

It's relatable. Yes. I said relatable. Maybe I meant um uh real.

SPEAKER_03 23:19

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

Real things.

SPEAKER_03 23:21

So you can find it in the real world.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Big boy. That was real. So yes, I'm sure it's the same big boy. You just asked. I don't know if it's the same, or I wonder if it's the same big boy. Not the same one location, but probably the same chain of big boy because they brought up other real things. Maybe. Um, so what else was relatable though? Since I said relatable.

SPEAKER_03 23:41

The brother and sister fighting in the car. Um, the third sibling just like trying to stop it by being normal. Like, what about this? I mean, that's like at one point, because I'm the middle child, at one point I was fighting with my sister, but then I'd follow her around because she was my big sister. Um, she was called Pete, and I was called Re Pete, if that tells you anything. And then eight years later, my brother's born, and then it's cats and dogs again. And then now, yeah, he's the coolest dude. Like it's so funny seeing that. So that's relatable for me. Um kind of actually like he said something about when he was looking for his dad's Christmas gift, and he was starting to freak out and have a panic attack about that. He's like thinking in his head, I don't know my dad. And that's kind of sad because I feel like like in some cases, there's always one parent that is a little bit further removed and are there for their families in every way, except for being like, Hey, I like this or I like that. Because he knows he likes golf, but it's winter. He doesn't want to get him a golf thing.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

And I like how everything, every suggestion handed to him. Yeah, yeah, in an opposition to yeah. So the golf. Get him golf balls. He likes golf. Well, that's a summer sport. It's winter. Well, I mean, he can still I my mind was like you can still use them later on. I used to get my dad golf certificates for Christmas every year.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

And your dad loved them. Go into an indoor driving green.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

You do that, it depends on where you live. True. But um Texas and Georgia and Florida and all the south, you know, you can play year-round as long as it's not around. Yeah, as long as it's not snowy, you can get an 80-degree day and go play. But um uh everything was like, all right, well, he likes this, do this. No, I don't want to do that. I want to, I want to do this.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

So I do like that he found that mash tape, or what was it? Was the last episode of the mash show? I like how he found that though, and then he was like, Oh, this is perfect, perfect.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

The reason that it was perfect was because they had that secret. The family had watched it together, and the dad started crying in the kitchen or whatever, or started crying and went to the kitchen, and he was like, Hey, but like this is gonna be our little secret, because he saw his dad cry for the first and only time, I guess. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

And because dads don't cry.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Yep. And then his dad, when he opened it, he was like, Oh, he said, Yeah, he's he was Charlie was so excited because his dad was so excited. And then he though he he told the family, the dad told the family why it meant something to him. He didn't tell them about the crying part, but then he weeped, yeah, and it's like oh, that's cute.

SPEAKER_03 26:36

See, that's that's the fun part. See, that's also relatable, is like when you find that perfect gift, yeah, and someone's like, Oh, I love this. This is why I love this, and it it makes you just feel so good about what you got, that person.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

So I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

There's a lot of little relatable things for me in this book.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Well, this didn't remind me exactly of the movie, but it reminded me of kind of like a and once I watched the this movie, it might remind me even more of it. But the way that um this is perks of being a wallflower, the Little Miss Sunshine, the movie. I love that movie just because of like it it's just a dysfunctional family that's functioning and making its way downtown walking fast, faces past, you know, and like that movie, yeah. And so the whole time this was happening, the way he was acting, it was just kind of like dry.

SPEAKER_02 27:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

And I could picture shots of the movie, and like even though I haven't seen the whole thing. Yeah. And just the way that it was just kind of like that dryness and the like him just being like, Well, I don't want to do that for his Christmas present, and blah blah blah. I don't know. I don't know where I was going, the camera stopped. I'm sorry. Okay, it was let's keep moving. He had a good the dryness of it reminded you of Little Miss Sunshine, and the relatability, and it is a real story, and it could be a real story, you know, it's like it's not superheroes and dragons.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

So sorry, it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

It's just those aren't my thing. So, like this was like, Oh, I I kind of dig it.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Okay. So I also love the fan found family and acceptance narrative that is in this. So Charlie is eventually seen for exactly who he is, and there's a quote somewhere in there about Charlie saying, and this this was in regards to his letters, like dear friend or high friend, or whatever he was saying. I just need to know that someone out there listens and understands and you see that play out with his friends as their friendship gets deeper and deeper with Sam and Patrick, and eventually they're like, You're you basically. It's like they accept him for who he is, and like that everyone needs that because how often are you like a hundred percent you with your friends, you know? There's always little parts of you like with this buddy, I'm like this, with this cousin, I'm like this, you know. You're always a slightly different part of yourself with each relationship, I feel like.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

So you saying that though, that just means that he's giving them a relationship that he's not giving anybody else, so he is not being him if he's being he's somebody different around his family.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

Well, I feel like his family doesn't see him like his friends do in this. They eventually do at the end, I feel like, but I feel like like there was one scene where he was just like Ms. or Bill gave him a book, and then he it was the weird book, and he's like, I don't know if I want to read this right now. Then he walked into the kitchen, his mom was cooking a cash roll, he dropped the casserole dish, and then she's like, Go hang out with your sister, and then he's like, Can I watch the movie with you? She's like, Go away. And then the dad gets home, he's like, No, I want to watch the hockey game, go hang out with your sister. And then he's just passed around and passed around until he eventually goes, starts reading the book again. He's like, Oh, I guess it's not that bad. So I feel like they see him his family, but they don't see him until they know about his abuse. That's why it makes him.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

And that's why the brother the brother, the brother read his paper.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

Yeah, and he finally wrote read the Walden paper.

SPEAKER_01 30:40

Yeah. All the family were they were doing the things that they should have been doing the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Yeah.

unknown 30:44

Pom pom.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

So spoilers.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Uh I put that Craig, the boyfriend, Sam gets. Uh, he goes to the Art Institute.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

I went there.

SPEAKER_03 30:59

I I read that, I'm like, oh, boo it there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

He's paying his way through the Art Institute by taking pictures and doing this. And I was like, oh, I went to the Art Institute for video production.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

Yeah. The only difference is Craig is a douche and you are not.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

Boo.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

He is. He cheated on Sam their whole relationship.

SPEAKER_01 31:17

He's also like 20-something years old dating a 17-year-old.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

So he's also a creative.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Yeah, there's more than just being a D-bag. Okay, uh, what you got? What's your next one? I just like the art institute part. I don't care about him.

SPEAKER_04 31:32

Uh all right.

SPEAKER_03 31:38

So I'm just trying to figure out.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

I got a quick one.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

Okay, go for it.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

You should get your mom a gift on your birthday.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

You should too.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

I'm not saying you should.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

I'm saying people should.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

Shout out mama.

SPEAKER_03 31:54

And mama.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Mama boo boo mom boo's mama.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Uh I just think it's funny that he said that because it's like, what? She was there that day too.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Yeah. I like that. I thought about that. I was like, oh, I thought about my mama.

SPEAKER_03 32:07

I was like, that's actually kind of true.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

I mean, she's the one that did all the work.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

I just went, what a world, what a guy. I mean, yeah, but it's funny because like the way he said it or wrote it in that section, it was just like, he's so innocent. So innocent in that moment. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

And oh, it was just so well, just like he just seems a little bit different than everybody, and like him crying, not be able to do things, like him just like reacting weird.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

I'm like, yo, is he that's the PTSD and depression and then his grief, social anxiety, and which we didn't find out until the end.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

If they told us that in the beginning, I want to be like, that's part of the book. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:46

It's like after the um truth and dare incident, and he kissed Sam instead of Mary Elizabeth. Yeah, he was it was one week without talking to his friends, and he's like, I'm so lonely. I want someone to tell he wanted someone to tell him about what's wrong with him. Like he didn't know what was wrong with him. So we as readers don't get to know what's wrong with him yet either.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

That's lame.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

That's part of the book reading process, boo. Whatever. Whatever.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Alright, what else you got?

SPEAKER_03 33:21

Music. I figured you'd enjoy this one. So, music is a very, very big topic in this book. Very big topic. So I feel like it expresses the feelings they can't properly voice. Like Charlie's favorite music. Charlie.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Sorry, that's what I heard in my head every time.

SPEAKER_03 33:49

His his favorite song in this book is Asleep by the Smiths. And I I feel like those lyrics highlight his yearning from peace or your yearning for peace from what he actively goes through. So, and those lyrics, um, sing me to sleep times two, and then leave me alone. Don't try to wake me in the morning, because I will be gone. Don't feel bad for me. I want you to know deep in the cell of my heart, I will feel so glad to go.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Boo, you quoting this is gonna get us demonetized.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

I'm not seeing it.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

Right, but even you saying the lyrics.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

I'm just joking, we're not monetized.

SPEAKER_03 34:34

Oh, wait, yeah, we aren't. I don't know what all these terms are.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

We don't get a fine. We don't have money for a fine.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

So I don't want to wake up on my own anymore. That was some of the lyrics from that song. And you put that in comparison to the tunnel song, which gives the impression of being alive. So when the first time he goes through the tunnel with Patrick and Sam, he goes, I feel infinite. Right? And that song, he called it the perfect song, and that was Landslide by Fleetwood Mac. And then that's you know that song. Well, I've been afraid of changing.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Now we're definitely demonetized.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

Because I built built my life around you, but the time, but the time makes you bolder, even children get older. I'm getting older too.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

Yo, if we got our hundredth subscriber and a find from YouTube the same week, that would be epic. All right.

SPEAKER_03 35:37

Hopefully they don't. But it's funny because the song in the movie they use is Heroes by David Bowie, I think. Right?

SPEAKER_01 35:49

I can look that up. Before I look that up, can I just shout out real quick so I can close this tab? Shout out Hunter King, my boy Hunter King. He's the one that I was able to listen to this book on YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Uh, he has four and a half parts.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

Saved him an audible by.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

Uh, yeah, yeah. And he has a very, very nice, very, very nice voice. So uh, Hunter, thank you so much. I we I did comment on his thing from our account.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Yeah, I said, hey man, like we're doing this tonight. JD was able to listen to it and he really enjoyed it. Thank you. So uh I liked all the videos, gave you a thumbs up, and we started following you. So uh shout out shout out, Hunter. Hopefully you read some more books.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Is he the first one we followed on YouTube? Oh I don't know if we followed anyone there yet.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

I don't know. I'm gonna have to look that up. I thought we were following Okay What up, Hunter? Um, I oh, okay, well we might have to cut this out.

SPEAKER_03 36:46

How do I I don't know?

SPEAKER_01 36:48

How do I uh wait?

SPEAKER_03 36:50

I just post the shorts. That's all I do, YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Okay, people don't want to hear this right now. They don't want to hear the inside baseball. Well, for I'm just gonna say we follow Matt White Disc golf. Shout out Matt White. Oh, that's his buddy. Nick Nasty, shout out Nick Nasty, Nick, yeah, Nick Nasty's gonna be big, and we also follow the Kimber 3s, the Kimber Threes. Family Shout out, shout out um we had to give everybody a you know, give them a follow on a shout out, okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

But in the movie, it's I think Heroes by David Bowie.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

I think it's David Bowie, Heroes by David Bowie. Okay, gotcha, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

Is that right? Okay, so but oh, that's such a good song to that scene, by the way. But just because music like it's even shown like when Charlie gives the mixtape to Patrick for Secret Santa and he had said, Charlie said, I hope I hope it's the kind of second side that he can listen to whenever he drives alone and feels like he belongs to something whenever he's sad. So that's just reminiscent of his favorite song where he's like it it conveys what he can't say out loud. Yeah. And music is such an important part of this book, and I think it's very important that if you are reading it and you come across any songs mentioned, you should listen to them because the author did that intentionally.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

I think that uh music is really cool, and I liked how they were like making mixtapes.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

Yeah, we used to burn CDs.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Yeah, yeah, it reminded me of that. And I was like, oh, like you remember you like make one where it's like, oh, these are all my favorite songs to listen to at night. These are my favorite ones for the car. I should give this to my friend on our snow day.

SPEAKER_03 38:45

My high school best friend used to make them because I'd pick her up from to and from school every morning, and we'd just pop in on those burnt CDs, and it was the best.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Even though they were way older than us, there was a lot of things that reminded me of when we were growing up.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

Well, my list is done. That was those were the things that I wrote down. Um well, I got one more thing, and it's pretty big.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Okay. What else you got? Can I go for it?

SPEAKER_01 39:15

Yeah, I was just saying I'm I'm done. So I shouted out my boy Hunter Hunter King. Shout out. Thanks, Hunter. Um, we looked up that thing, and I'm gonna show my computer.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

So, and I already mentioned this quote. This is the second quote I want to mention. Well, actually, it's kind of two quotes, but and two scenes. So, the I feel infinite quote, that is when he's in the tunnel for the first time. Sam is in the back of the pickup truck, and Patrick is driving.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

I like how she was driving and then she crawled to the back, and then he was like, Oh, Patrick took over like they've done this before, and then Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:57

And so that's when he first says, I feel infinite, right? And then the second time he says it, so that's page 33, second time is page 39, and he that says after he ate the brownie, if you know what I mean. I like how in the book he says that too. Yeah, and um basically that's his first time doing drugs, and he um is in the room and actively participating with everybody, and uh in that moment he says, and in that moment, I swear we were infinite. We yeah, so you notice the difference I and then we so marijuana opens your mind, yeah, but it allows you to be free and be who you are. The thing is legalized that is him when he first says I feel infinite. The combo of the loud music, the speed of the truck, because they were speeding, he said they were going super fast, and being with his friends forces Charlie to be present in that moment, and that's him participating. And like he was fully present, he wasn't thinking about anything else other than what was happening in that moment, and then the feeling of being infinite is like being temporarily free from anything heavy in your life, because you're just like I'm here.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Is that is that the definition of being infinite? Yeah, you can look it up. I'm just like Oh, I I was like, I thought infinite was like powerful.

SPEAKER_03 41:38

Yeah, because you're like you're out there, like yeah, because you're like powerful. I'm doing hand motions, like I'm on a dance squad. Um okay, so going back to the tunnel scene, that was the first time he went through the tunnel like that. And then one of the final scenes, he is drive he is in the back of the pickup truck, and they're driving him through the tunnel, right? I want to point out that he experiences Sam's joy in the first instance, whereas Charlie is experiencing his own joy in the final scene, and then he's observing Sam live freely in the first scene, and then he's actively claiming his own freedom in that last scene because he had just come out of the hospital and he survived. Then the first scene is more like a fee fleeting feeling of escape because he's like, I feel infinite, and that was in that moment, whereas in the final scene, he's grounded, he has gone through treatment, his whole family knows what happened, they're all there for them. And he confronted what happened to him by his aunt Helen. His problems are not like gone, they're still there, obviously, but he survived them. So the tunnel symbolizes rebirth because it's dark in there, and then you come out to the city lights, and it's like being reborn. Yeah. And then I like that the wind, because he was talking about it, just blowing in his face, it's like cleansing for him. And then he also he also um says at that end he is not afraid of going back to high school. So it's like he has grown into himself more, and it's just so exciting to read. And then I do want to say never mind, that's something else.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

One thing for me about these types of books, like The Coming of Age, quote unquote, especially Like just like the high school situations.

SPEAKER_03 44:04

I there were a lot of non-high school situations in this book, though. Yeah, or yeah. But it happens too.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

They were high schoolers. Yeah. They were smoking cigarettes. They were hooking up. They were there were a lot of explicit scenes where they describe what's going on, and I'm like, okay, the thing is moving behind you because there's a cat.

SPEAKER_03 44:22

He's playing in the curtain.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

He's showing everybody our escape exit.

unknown 44:27

I guess.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

Okay. Um, well, while you do that, I'm just gonna keep talking. But um. Oh, I got confused.

unknown 44:40

It's explicit.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

They have the explicit parts, it's the coming of age things. Um, oh, that's it. So, like, mo the majority of the time, I'm like, okay, well, these aren't big issues that they're facing, and they think they're the end of the world. Oh, she broke up with me, blah, blah, blah. But at their point in life, you know, they're 17, 18 years old, whatever it is. Uh, and then he's even younger being a freshman, I guess. So um all his friends graduating. It's the that is the hardest thing they've ever dealt with in their life.

SPEAKER_03 45:10

So But there are some very heavy topics.

SPEAKER_01 45:13

They just need to keep learning and keep growing. Not not him, I'm just saying everybody in general, and that's usually why I'm not into these styles of books, because it's oh, my girlfriend broke up with me or my boyfriend did, and then it's that person becoming a woman, and like I feel like that was more like Mary Elizabeth's character type deal, whereas Charlie, Patrick, and more of Charlie and Patrick, they were going through some deep stuff.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

Yeah. Right, Betty?

SPEAKER_01 45:42

There were some parts that I was just like, meh, but I I listened to it also. I made it through it.

unknown 45:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:47

Do you have anything else before we move on?

SPEAKER_03 45:50

No. What do you wear? Well, what do you rate it? Um Bernard would like to know. Since he's been caught.

SPEAKER_01 45:58

Um, I will give it a three cool.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

I'd probably give it like a two eight. Okay. Because it's so good, but it's like not something I would like typically go for. Yeah. But did you want to say what I think for the format?

SPEAKER_01 46:20

I like the format. I kind of I text you and I was like, wait, is this like a journal injury though thing the whole time? And you're like, yeah, I was like, okay. I kind of I kind of enjoy that. I've learned that. And then I've also, for this one, I think I've learned, even though I just said that I don't like the coming of age stories and stuff. I think that if it's from like a male's perspective, you're better with it. I'm better with it for sure.

SPEAKER_03 46:43

Same with me with female perspectives. So I get it.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

That makes sense. But it is fun for me to like think back about like in the last one. Um me having friends that were like, oh, dating people who were like, oh, well, like if they she didn't show up, where is she? Is she with another person? Like being, you know, in their mindset that way. So this also had things where it was like, Oh, I remember being young and dumb, you know.

SPEAKER_03 47:04

Um Bernard degrees.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Bernie's Bernie's in the camp.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

He was young and dumb today.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

Okay, well, are we ready to move on?

SPEAKER_03 47:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

Okay. So next week, we're gonna be reading one of my picks.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

JD brought home two wrapped books.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

But Boo gets to pick one book of my two pics. So they are sitting right here, they've been here the whole ep. You get to pick book one or book two. I put them in when I bought them because thankfully I'm not a okay. I just want to say this. I had some crazy times at Walmart today. We used to love Walmart. We used to shop there all the time. Used to we've lived close to a Walmart for eight years, probably total of a relationship. We were two minutes away multiple times, multiple houses, different Walmarts. It was great. Now we're Target people. And went to Walmart today, and it reminded me of why I was now a Target person. So the cashier, I walked up to the cashier because I had cash, can't do that. The self-check out there. They also can't tap. Weird 2026, get with the times, Walmart, whatever. At least our Walmart. Won't complain about it. Um, so I just complained about it. But I walked up, the lady was talking to another cashier, and they both looked at me, and I'm standing at the empty cashier register lady thing, majigger, and she keeps talking to the other register person. She keeps talking and talking and talking about somebody got suspended somewhere, and then the one cashier was like, You have somebody, and she was like, Okay. And she walked over and she started checking me out. She kept like looking above my shoulder and stuff, and she was just being really weird, and she was like, I'm sorry, I'm just kind of out of it right now. I was like, Yeah, I kind of noticed. Yeah, uh, I think she might have been on uh something illicit. Um but I mean thankfully, Walmart had both of the books because Target only had one of the books.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

So Wow Target.

SPEAKER_01 49:07

I was leaving Walmart. I put both books into an envelope, shuffled them around in the bag, came home, put a one and two on it. So I don't even know what number one and number two are.

SPEAKER_03 49:16

And you've read one, but not the other.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

I have read one, not the other. I'm excited. We'll see what happens. We'll see how they turn out. Pick a number, one or two? Two. Two is on top.

SPEAKER_03 49:29

Well, gotta show the number.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

Number two? And then I am just gonna quickly show number one. Number one's gonna stay wrapped.

SPEAKER_03 49:38

Oh, I get to open it?

SPEAKER_01 49:40

Yeah. I know what number, once I see that, I'll know what this is. But uh let's see. It's gonna stay wrapped right here.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

I don't know. What type of thing?

SPEAKER_01 49:52

It's a shipping, it's a shipping thing. I was gonna get a trash bag. Oh not trash bags, uh brown, brown paper bags, but it was like those at least have the thing where you can just pull it, boo.

SPEAKER_03 50:05

Okay, can you open that part and then I'll open it? Yes, see how hard it is. Oh, well, okay.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Oh, no, you just ripped it right there.

SPEAKER_02 50:18

Trying.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Oh, let's go. All right, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 50:25

You weren't supposed to see it yet.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

See?

SPEAKER_03 50:30

How hard was that? But I'm gonna take it out, right?

SPEAKER_01 50:32

Take it underneath.

SPEAKER_03 50:33

Okay. So we are reading.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

Don't laugh. It's a brand new book. It's gonna probably be a bet New York Times bestseller.

SPEAKER_03 50:48

I haven't read this one.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

I have not read this one. This one just came out the end of last month. Uh so there's one thing it might be controversial for some of our hundred followers.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

There's one thing about this person that I do not like, is when he eats pizza, he sometimes smacks.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

And he also says one byte, everybody knows the rules, and it continues. Yeah, right. Yeah, we all know. We all know.

SPEAKER_03 51:09

So cancel me if you can by Dave Portnoy. Is that how do you say his name?

SPEAKER_01 51:15

Dave Portnoy.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

Portnoy. Okay, Dave VP, let's go. Um it's about I I I just know that it's about him building his media empire. He built a huge business, got rid of it, sold it, then bought it back for a dollar, and now that thing's worth it a lot, or he resold it. We'll learn a lot. So I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03 51:39

El president Presidente, a.k.a. Dave Portnoy of Barstool Sports details his journey of becoming a multimillion dollar digital media empire, while refusing to bend the knee to those who tried to tear him down, staying true to himself and blocking out the haters. Dave Portnoy is a gambler. Since his childhood, he has always bet on himself and his future, which is exactly how he built Barstool Sports. It all started in 2004 with a four-page newspaper that Dave passed out on Dave passed out on Boston Street Corners. The idea was simple, but revolutionary. Not everyone wanted their sports takes from Sports Center anchors and suits. Fans wanted something local, raw, and unapologetically written in the same language and tone that you might hear at your local sports bar. So Dave gave it to them. Over 20 years later, Dave continues to expand Barstool and his personal brand, launching into the worlds of sports, betting, and pizza reviews. Pizza. Pizza, pizza, building generational media stars, and giving back to first responders, military organizations, small businesses, and dog shelters with the help of his famous rescue dog, Miss Peaches. I do like her. I really like her. Dave didn't set out to be a political lightning rod, but it happened. And he's fully aware that half the internet loves him while the other half hates him, but honestly, he doesn't care. In Cancel Me If You Can, Dave lays it all out. The hard work, the timing, the luck, the poisonous relationships behind the curtain, and the balls it took to get where he is today. This isn't just a memoir. It's an underdog story about a group of misfits who, against all odds, revolutionized the landscape of modern media.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

How many pages? Like 250? 250? No.

SPEAKER_03 53:43

Nope.

SPEAKER_00 53:43

Tree 50.

SPEAKER_03 53:46

The dogs get a chapter.

SPEAKER_00 53:48

Tree 25.

SPEAKER_03 53:50

Oh no, they don't get a chapter.

SPEAKER_00 53:51

Tree tree.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

Uh 300. And then it ends with the dogs. Where's our chapter? Nice. The 300. I don't know if you can see the doggos. Dogs.

SPEAKER_01 54:02

I'm excited when I saw that this was coming out. I was like, Yeah. Uh I like the pizza reviews.

SPEAKER_03 54:09

I like them too, even though he sometimes smacks.

SPEAKER_01 54:11

Yeah. Uh he's funny on podcasts. He is. He's is controversial because people don't like him, but that's kind of part of his shtick. It really is.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

I like how he's just brutally honest. I like his one-liner sometimes when he's just talking to random people on the street.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

You know, Addies are uh a heck of a drug, and uh uh yeah, uh he does some funny things, so let's go.

SPEAKER_03 54:35

So we shall read and report back. I lost my bookmark. Oh no. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

All right, well then after this, do I get to pick the next week's two?

SPEAKER_03 54:46

Yes. Oh yes. And then and then we'll after this, JD's picking one more, and then me and Heather will come back with Throne of Glass. And that's gonna be the last book. And then you're stuck with me for a while.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

Sara J Mass. If you want to verbally argue about why your book sucks, I'm totally down. Hit us up. I'll jump on a zoom with you. Rude. I'm just joking. Your book sound sucks. A lot of people like them. My camera died. A lot of people like your book, Sarah J. Mass. I'm just joking. I'm just jealous. And uh yeah, okay. Well, we gotta go because my camera died. Peace. Alright, bye.