The Astro Study Room
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The Astro Study Room
E2 - SUN 101: Understanding The Sun in Astrology
The Sun isn't just the center of our solar system, it's often seen as the core of your astrological identity. While many know their Sun sign from pop astrology, few understand the profound depth this luminary holds in revealing your authentic self, creative purpose, and vital life force.
Journey with us as we illuminate the fascinating history behind Sun sign astrology, tracing its origins to 1930s Britain when a royal birth sparked a newspaper phenomenon that would forever change how we engage with the cosmos. We explore why the Sun has dominated mainstream astrology and how this creates both accessibility and limitations in understanding ourselves.
Discover the Sun as archetypal hero on a journey of self-discovery who must reclaim his true identity and purpose after losing his way. We examine how your Sun's placement by sign and house reveals where you naturally shine brightest and how its dignities influence your expression of personal power and creativity.
Beyond personality traits, we delve into the Sun's physical correspondences along with magical allies of all kinds. Learn practical rituals from creating sun-infused teas to building solar altars that strengthen your relationship with this powerful luminary.
Whether you're new to astrology or deepening your practice, these insights will help you recognize when you're truly embodying your solar nature versus dimming your light. As always, we end the episode with something to reflect on and something to do (would we be a study room if we didn't give you homework?).
Ready to shine brighter? Subscribe, join our free Patreon community for study guides and rituals, and let us know what solar insights resonate most with you!
welcome back to the astro study room. We missed you so much. Um, I'm ember fay, your friendly neighborhood.
Speaker 2:Fire fairy witch and I'm j, a practicing astrologer and forever student, to talk a bit about what this podcast is for new people, because we're all new here. Our goal for this podcast is to feel like we're all just students meeting up after class to go over our notes together. So welcome to the Astro Study Room. Every other Tuesday, we will be exploring core astrology topics, breaking them down and just chatting about how these concepts show up in our real lives and reflecting on the deep transformational wisdom that the stars have to share with us. If you enjoyed this episode, I hope you will consider subscribing and leaving us a review to help us grow this little cohort of astrology students.
Speaker 1:Yes, Okay, so you've landed yourself in episode two of our podcast, so if you're interested in starting from the beginning, yeah, go check out our first episode and our content on our free Patreon. If you haven't checked out our free Patreon yet, sign up and you'll get access to our study guides, rituals and more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just really excited about this Patreon. We our big goal with this podcast is to keep things as accessible as possible, to make sure that everybody can learn the ancient art of astrology. So we hope we will see you over there and we can grow a little group of students together. Last episode we had talked about this episode was supposed to be about planets, but we were going over the script and quickly realized that each planet deserves more time. So today we are actually just going to be chatting about the luminaries, aka the sun and the moon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, surprise. So yeah, we talked a bit about that, jordan. We were just, like we're still, trying to figure out how to break up the planets here. We just have so much to say, but we also don't want to spend 10 months just like covering the planet. So we could we could, uh, absolutely. So I guess you could always comment on that and like what you guys would like to see, but I don't know We'll. We'll come up with an agenda for y'all and and get that together, but yeah.
Speaker 2:A little syllabus.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, like everyone, this is Ember Faye coming to you from the future. So, jordan and I, as we've said to you, are pretty new at this podcasting, and so we had written out an entire episode for you that included the sun, the moon, the rising signs, and we were so pumped about it, so pumped that this episode actually went way longer than we expected just talking about the sun. So, in order to be able to really do these luminaries some justice, we decided to split up the sun and the moon episode, which means at the beginning of this episode, you'll actually hear a lot of us, a lot of us talking about, like, the sun and the moon and how we're getting into that. In this episode we actually will not be. We'll be just talking about the sun.
Speaker 1:So get excited, feel the fire and stay tuned for our moon episode, which will drop in two weeks from whenever you're listening to this episode, jordan, when is that? Oh gosh, july 8th, july 8th, stay tuned, july 8th for our moon episode. We love you, star students. Enjoy this episode. So it just seems that anyone starting with astrology does know, maybe, what their sun sign is, and maybe you know about your moon and your rising sign we do love the planets, but diving into the sun and the moon just really seems like a really good place to start out, and when we realized how much there was to say, that's when we decided okay, like, sun and moon need their own episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sun and chart ruler in my eighth house. I can't do things lightly, I have to dive deep into the information. So there was no like skimming off the top. Like I, I, we both, we both spent hours just like researching stuff and it was fun, but, um, we were not going to be able to fit all 10 planets in one episode. I don't know how people do it, oh absolutely not.
Speaker 1:It would have been so superficial, and I think that is not our goal. So we hope that you can really learn a little bit more about these luminaries.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we've also talked about we're kind of calling them like other sodes. So we're kind of thinking that every so we're having two episodes a month. So one episode a month will be a bit more going over our notes, and then the next episode will kind of be like a coffee date where we're chatting about our feelings of astrology, maybe like complaining about the teachers kind of thing, like whatever feels right at that time complaining about the teachers?
Speaker 1:yes, so please let us know in the comments how we're doing Like I don't know what do they say Like subscribe if you'd like to join us, but really give us feedback on how we can help you learn, if there's things you'd like to see or things we could do differently, resources you may want to see. So, as a reminder, jordan and I are both students ourselves, so we definitely don't know everything, and we'll be really upfront about that. We are learning together in this little Astro study room, which is why it's so special to us.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So buckle up, star students, because class is officially out and the study room is in session. All right, welcome to our current astro weather segment. We're still figuring out how far in advance or how deep we want to go into these astro weather segments. I don't know if you all are interested in hearing short-term transits or only long-term transits. So far we've kind of focused on long-term transits, but let us know what feels right. So a few things happening right now. The morning this episode airs, there will be a Jupiter Kazemi. Kazemi is when a planet is in an exact conjunction to the sun, and typically we don't like to see planets get too close to the sun, but when they do come together at that exact point, it's like epic powers being unlocked. So for Jupiter, which we talked about last time, is the great benefic in astrology. For Jupiter, this would be a great time for abundance, work, studying or maybe some kind of travel.
Speaker 1:Hazemi is a crazy word. I love it I've never heard it before until you, until you said it here does this happen? Does so, it's any planet, right? So any planet can have a kazemi.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's, yeah, kazemi. I think it's possible that the the modern planets maybe we don't consider them as a kazemi because they move so slow. Well, I guess the sun's still moving, I think. So I think you can say anything's a kazemi with the sun okay, and out of curiosity, like how does that?
Speaker 1:would you then look at like where that kazemi is happening in your chart and then, like that, would just basically decide that like this is like extra amplified here depending.
Speaker 2:So a Kazemi is not only extra amplified, but like extra amazing, like it's extra beneficial okay, so like it's good like yeah, yeah, by transit, like yeah, you're just looking at where it is in your chart, most especially if it's actually activating anything in your chart.
Speaker 1:Natally, the most common one you'll see is a Mercury Kazemi, and that can imply special psychic powers to talk about the moon as well, because we have the new moon and cancer happening on June 25th yeah, it will be tomorrow, officially at 631 Eastern Standard Time, and new moons. We're going to talk about this a little bit more later on when we get into the moon. But new moons, as you know, are just a time to set intentions, plant seeds, clear, cleanse, whatever's going to nourish you over the next two weeks as the moon begins her rebirth. So cancer happens to be my sun sign in the 10th house. So I just, you know, happen to vibe with this transit and the moon rules cancer, which I just personally embrace and love, and makes cancer this like super intuitive, in tune with your gut feeling, vibe.
Speaker 1:Uh. So what does this mean? Like, how can we embrace this transit? So cancer is all about the home, life, emotions, how you're feeling, and then, when we think about the new moon, essentially your king, sort of create intention setting around the home. Maybe it's a good night to cozy up with your blanket, a pet, a partner, a friend, lights up candles, do some self-care? Soak in a bath, like cancer is a water sign, I don't know. Do you have a bathtub, jordan? Do you take baths?
Speaker 2:At my old apartment where I just moved from, I had a jacuzzi tub, but the tubs here are pretty small where I just moved from, I had a jacuzzi tub, but the tubs here are pretty small.
Speaker 1:I do love a bath, I love just like sitting and soaking in them.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, just getting in touch with some of like the feels he feels that you may have or that maybe you've just not had time for or been avoiding, and if you're aware of, like the house that you have cancer in, you can focus these intentions on a specific area, so kind of what Jordan was talking about what's being activated there. So, for example, like I mentioned cancer in my 10th house of career ambition, I may wanna like ponder on how can I create some emotional safety over the next two weeks to grow in my workspace. You know, maybe how can I create around work or some new endeavors, like you know, burlesque dancing or as a podcaster. So this may be something for you if you're familiar with the houses already. But if you're not familiar with the houses, then really just focus more on what I said earlier about embracing those full on Cancer Cozy vibes. And also, if you check out the Patreon, I will be posting or I have posted already a cute little new moon in cancer ritual for you all. Oh my God, I can't wait.
Speaker 2:And then, when it comes to the moon cycles in the zodiacs, we can also look at them as six month cycles. So on January 3rd of 2026, the full moon will be in cancer, and that will be a time of celebrating and releasing everything that you set the intentions for for this new moon. So visualize and manifest what you want to bring during this new moon in cancer by the time the full moon in cancer comes about. Yeah, I really love that.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. You know I never really think about it that way, but I really like that you should only get in like a year cycle, like what do I want? Like at the next new moon, but I love that, like that like full on cycle. The moon's all about cycling, aren't we all? We're going to talk a lot about cycling, y'all.
Speaker 2:Because it's the moon you just can't. I mean, it's astrology, astrology, and especially the moon, the moon cycles so quickly.
Speaker 2:What else is going on? Saturn and Neptune are still conjunct in Aries, which can bring feelings of disillusionment or a need to hold yourself or your spirituality to a higher standard or starting a new spirituality I've heard people talking about we're probably going to see like a new New Age movement. Pluto will be sextiling soon and Pluto really wants you to. I think Pluto is already sextiling. Pluto wants you to dig deeper and really discover what is going on in this universe and really put your faith through the ringer. So this can have moments of feeling lost and feeling like a losing your religion type feeling. But Pluto is supporting you in like journeying through that and coming out on the other side stronger. And Saturn is in its fall, which we don't love to see. But when you work through Saturn's challenges you're supposedly going to come out the other side wiser and that's cool, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really like that, Like Saturn transitioning in my seventh house so my seventh house, you know, is Aries, I think seventh house about like intimate relationships, commitment, that kind of thing. I don't know, I'm definitely a super people pleaser, so this could be a good time to like how to set those boundaries, I think in those relationships and trying to like learn and grow through those things could be, I don't know, interesting and like how can I maintain my own integrity while, you know, still being like balancing with, like, kindness and authenticity? I don't know, this is going to be an interesting time. I also have my, my black moon Lilith, in this house at zero degrees, um, which I know is like black moon Lilith. We'll, we'll get into uh, maybe that at a different time, but, um, basically all about the taboo, repressed things outside of the societal, like societal norm. It'll be interesting how Saturn will impact that. And also like Neptune. There too, I don't know, we're gonna, we'll see.
Speaker 2:I don't know. While we're talking about Saturn, too, you can look at the houses that Saturn rules in your house and how that connects to the house that Saturn's in now. So, ember, you have Saturn rules your fourth and fifth house. So how do close one-on-one long-term relationships work with your fourth house of home and family and your fifth house of fun, hobbies and joy? You know that kind of thing. Yeah, I'm excited. So Jupiter is exalted in Cancer we absolutely love to see it and we'll be sextiling Mars in Virgo, or is we're recording this like almost a month in advance? So I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be saying is or will be, but there will be a sextile to Mars in Virgo. This transit will be occurring by degree until about mid-July.
Speaker 2:Jupiter loves to be in Cancer, like we talked about. This is a time for deep connections. Depending on how this is activated in your own chart, this could also be a very fertile time. This could be a time to expand on your home, growing your savings, expanding your income, taking action to create your own security, so saving your money, maybe investing your money, growing your own food. Cancer is cardinal and wants to take action and do something towards these goals, especially with Mars sextiling, supporting the driving factor. Go with your gut to see what action Jupiter is calling you to do. All of these themes are relevant the whole year. Jupiter is in Cancer, but this sextile with Mars is a shorter window and this is a great time to start something and do something actionable. Mars in Virgo wants to do something correctly the first time. It does not want to mess up and have to go back and try again. So take a hot moment to really plan in advance and then get started with initiating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is happening in my 10th house, Again, Cancer Sun. I think I said that in the first episode I'm like I'm a Cancer Sun. I think that's also just like my Libra. Anyway, yeah, I'm super excited.
Speaker 2:I read out all your placements.
Speaker 1:Everyone's going to know my whole chart, but yeah, well, yeah, cause my Mercury is also in the 10th house. So you know, like that kind of lands beautifully for starting this new adventure with podcasting, I think, just like the house of ambition and work, with mercury in there for communication. Oh yeah, and the part about mars and virgo, and then, um, just the perfectionist wanting to do that the first time. That's really hard to do, especially with my adhd virgo is hard in general.
Speaker 2:Mars is also hard in general, but j Jupiter in Cancer not as hard. Jupiter in Cancer is just a wonderful transit and you'll want to take a look at how this is impacting your own chart and see where this is taking place in your life to get more information. Mars is supporting you and taking action towards figuring out some long-term plans and starting something new to work toward things that you want to grow over the next year.
Speaker 1:Does that make sense? I think so. So basically, you're just saying, like the sextile to Mars is just like let's go, let's take some action, let's start, just like recording a freaking podcast. The other thing too, is sextiles.
Speaker 2:They are a beneficial energy, but they require you to actively do something. A trine is another aspect where things are kind of supposed to come to you effortlessly, but a sextile you have to put in the effort. You are supported in that effort, but you have to actually do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean between the two of us, we probably put in like 10 hours. Oh my God. I know doing the thing Um, and we hope it grows over the next year. We're just going to put those intentions out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I will have this Jupiter transit going through my ninth house and I with cancer being about home and security and safety and expanding on that I really want to put some intention into saving more money. I probably wrote too much about this transit being about saving money, because that's what I'm going to hope to manifest with this, but I do have Jupiter ruling my second house of income, so it was all on my mind.
Speaker 1:But I'm way too much of a spender. Yeah, yeah, no, I was just about to say.
Speaker 2:Amber and I are always telling each other like, oh my God, I'm going to buy this thing, Like, yeah, no, I was just about to say Ember and I are always telling each other like, oh my God, I'm gonna buy this thing.
Speaker 1:Like oh, we gotta stop buying things. And to clarify, that thing is usually some sort of like educational tool.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I know it's some kind of expensive class, it's some kind of book, it's some kind of cool journal, something that we don't need.
Speaker 1:But so badly want.
Speaker 2:Why witchy things? I know that you know.
Speaker 1:They say like you can practice witchcraft and not spend money. I totally my Taurus moon can't. I'm totally down with that. I I admire the crap out of people, but like I need stuff. Oh, I love things that's so terrible having items is my favorite.
Speaker 1:I'm like, but this crystal is so important, it's so pretty, but, yeah, I hope I, I'm hoping for you too. Let's manifest that money, yeah, yeah, I think this was a really good summary of the transits, jordan. I think feedback from all of you like is this are you know, are you learning from this? Like listening, I know for myself, listening to the jargon is like really helpful actually, and having these discussions, uh, is like immersing yourself in the language. Yeah, immersing yourself in the language, yes. So let us know, um, check out, you know, the Patreon notes or wherever we post, um, whether or not you are enjoying these sections. If there's anything else we can provide for you, or if you have questions about, like, specific things, activating your chart, feel free to post in the Patreon and we'll be able to answer you there. Heck, yeah, all right, jordan, you ready to jump into?
Speaker 2:our luminaries. Yeah, I shouldn't have sung over you.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I laugh really loud and I like lean forwards and I wonder if it's making it really loud on the microphone.
Speaker 2:It's been okay. Okay, okay yeah, we're figuring it out as we go. Okay, yeah, let's introduce the luminaries. All right, so we're going to like touch on the big three, which is kind of the thing that people tend to know, and then we're going to dive deeper into the sun and the moon.
Speaker 1:Yes, so we also did want to touch on the rising sign, basically like an episode, like Jordan said, about the big three. That's really a lot of what you hear about when you're on the surface level of astrology and it's a really good place to start too If you're still trying to get to know the planets, the houses you could look at, like where you're, what house your sun is in, and if you're studying astrology right now, we're going to dive deeper into things like archetypes, activities you may be able to do to work with these, some plant or crystal allies to really strengthen your relationship with the luminaries. So we're hoping that we can touch on both beginners and people who may have been studying for a little while.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, when I first started learning astrology, like before, I had like pulled up an actual natal chart, cause I didn't know how to read a natal chart. I would just Google, like I would gosh, what was Ast astro cafe, I think, is where I would get the tables from, and it so wouldn't be like, um, like the, the degree chart that we were used to seeing. It would be like a table and it would say like mercury, seventh house, torus. And then I would google what does mercury in seventh house in torus mean?
Speaker 1:yeah, I had co-star, which I don't love anymore, but I don't love co-star anymore. They post questionable things on their Instagram, but anyway, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's her tea? What's the tea?
Speaker 1:I. It was very like political, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Honestly, I unfollowed them. Interesting, I'm going to have to do a rabbit dive.
Speaker 1:It was like it was like interpreting something that just I don't even remember. It was like it was like a couple months ago, like maybe the beginning, totally unfollowed them. Um, this is not a bash CoStar. If you use CoStar like I, live your life. Yeah, Live your life. I also really. You're on your own journey yeah, the Chani app is really great. I do love that they are great, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, amber, how do you feel about the connection between the sun and the moon and the rising? Do you feel like there is one that represents the native more than the other? Do you feel like they're all equal?
Speaker 1:How does it vibe? Vibe with you? Ooh, so I didn't really even know what my rising sign was until a few years ago and learned that you know the rising sign is how that presents towards people. So for me, I'm a Libra, rising so like sense of fairness, the ability to connect with people, maybe make them feel a little at ease when I'm around them. But I definitely also have that like dark people pleasing side, for sure, and I just didn't, I don't know like I I definitely really vibed hard with my son, my cancer son, and expressing that.
Speaker 1:So, as far as does the sun, the rising, the moon, matter?
Speaker 1:I think it totally depends on, maybe, where your sun may fall in your house. So, like, if you have the sun in your first house, I guess that could like literally emphasize the full expression of your sense of self and so it gives you some Leo quality. Yeah, and I just like I don't know where you are in life. So like, maybe if you're yeah, I don't know, maybe if you're like younger, like, maybe if you're yeah, I don't know, maybe if you're like younger too. I do think there's an aspect of when you're younger you tend to be more of somebody who may be expressing that like layer, like that mask that the rising sign represents. And as you get older, you may feel more comfortable expressing your sun sign and really embracing who you are. Or maybe you don't feel safe enough to express your sun sign and really embracing who you are, or maybe you don't feel safe enough to express your sun sign, I don't know. So those are my thoughts, but the rising sign is so important for the rest of the chart.
Speaker 2:So I don't know.
Speaker 1:I would say like yeah, I would think they're equal in the sense of, like who you are as a person, um, but like as far as for your, the rest of your chart like rising sign, I don't know. Yeah, it like so essential. What about you? Jordan?
Speaker 2:I actually did not identify with my rising sign like at all until maybe sometime within the past year. It's. I'm still like learning to identify with it. Um, and I'm a Gemini son and my mom would always say, like you're such a Gemini in, like a loving way, um, I know people today seem to hate Gemini's but, um, gemini moon, yeah, so I would just kind of like like I was excited to be a gemini and I feel like I I looked for gemini qualities in myself and I'm a scorpio rising and I like didn't feel like a scorpio at all. I felt like, and they say too, your rising sign can like describe what you look like, and I don't look like a scorpio, like the stereotypical scorpio.
Speaker 2:I don't dress like a Scorpio and I've also come to learn that like astrology is so much deeper than that one size fits all of like you should look like a Scorpio kind of thing. What does it mean to look like a Scorpio? I would have to look more into this. There is I actually have a book right over there that I'm not going to go grab, but um, I think it's called body archetypal astrology and it has to do with using astrology to talk about how you look like, um, and there's more. Through that book, through skimming through it, I've learned there's more than just your rising sign to determine how you look, because because the whole thing is like, the rising is how you show up in the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, and I've also heard someone has told me that, like you are meant to rise into your rising sign, and so I've thought maybe as I go on in life, maybe I will become more Scorpio-ish. But I think I've also, like I see more Scorpio in myself than I used to. It's just hard when you're first getting into astrology and you're just kind of working with buzzwords and it's hard to actually like apply it to, like real people and your own self. But once you like get to know it better, it's easier to apply to yourself. And then, amber, have you heard of sect before? Have I heard of sex Sect?
Speaker 1:S-E-C-T no.
Speaker 2:Have you heard about the birds and the bees? That is a different podcast, jordan. But yeah, have you heard of sect? No, I wasn't planning on talking about this. It's not like an advance. It's actually pretty easy to understand. But it has to do with whether you were born during the day or born at night. And when I was editing our last episode, where we had talked about like, if you don't know your rising sign or if you don't know your birth time, to like use the time when the sun rose or to use a noon chart, and I realized as I was editing, I was like that would completely not account for night charts. So there's this whole idea of like planets being on your team. The sun is on one team, the moon is on another team. They're both neutral, but I've wondered if that has anything to do with like which one you might identify with more. But in general, I kind of feel like I mean, I can't imagine the sun and moon being unequal. I feel like they are pretty equal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I think my moon is actually the one that I've had the hardest identifying with. So Gemini moon, learning more about it, I'm like, oh, like this does kind of sound like me. Um, just that, I don't know, I just identified so strongly with my cancer son and then even like the Libra rising, um, I do feel for me, like, after I learned about Libra rising or what you know, the archetypes of Libras just tending to be these like connection people that really care about just balance and harmony is that is, I think, on a on that level of how I present myself in the world, how I am even at the workplace, like that is totally accurate. But, yeah, cancer, completely anybody who really knows who I am would be like. I've had people like randomly guess my sun sign. And then, yeah, the Gemini moon is definitely the one that's been a little bit more elusive to me and I think as I start to learn more, I'm starting to identify with it more. So it's been an interesting journey journey in pop astrology.
Speaker 2:We know that there has been a huge focus on sun signs and I know like right now we're talking about the big three, which has had a rise in popularity, and we're also talking about like do we see the sun and moon as equal or does the sun, like some of us? Some people think that the sun matters more in your chart because of those daily magazine horoscopes that people used to read. What do you think about that?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, all right, all right, history buffs, you're gonna get out your notebook here because this was part of, like, mine and Jordan's research. So I can't say I know the complete history of horoscopes, like I don't know. I know that probably dates back to, like, the Babylonians and we definitely Jordan should do a history episode. I think that could be really interesting. So in our research, you know, we're going to go back to the 1930s with the rise of media and newspapers and specifically in the UK in 1930, a princess was born and of course, margaret yes.
Speaker 2:Princess.
Speaker 1:Margaret, yeah, and, and princess royalty birth is like stop the press news. You know everyone was like, oh, we need to, we need to talk about this, um, but the newspaper that was going to publish this actually had like missed the date.
Speaker 2:they were a weekly newspaper so they had like missed the dates of the announcement yeah, because it was like, um, because I I looked this up like so recently she was born on a Thursday and this obviously the newspaper was called the Sunday Express, so it came out on Sunday and by the time Sunday hit it was old news that she was born. So they had to like quickly, like replace the story.
Speaker 1:Yes, and so they decided that so horoscopes and astrology was a thing. And so they tried to basically be like, oh, this would be so cool if we could, like tell the princess's future. And so they tried to get a famous astrologer in, who ended up turning it down, but they were able to go to one of his assistants, so RH Naylor, who wrote the first article that was called what the stars foretell for the new princess, and people loved this column. So, so much that Naylor ended up doing a predictions article for people born in September in the UK, and I'm not going to get into all the details here, but essentially Naylor was signed for a weekly article that started as basically this like monthly prediction article but essentially did develop into the sun signs, which, after it developed into the Sun Signs, was then picked up by almost every big selling national paper, which totally makes sense, right, jordan?
Speaker 1:Like when you think about this time period, if, like I mean, I don't want to be reflective here, but we're talking about like a time period where the economy was really bad and maybe World War II was starting to brew and maybe history repeats itself, yeah, I don't know, I'm just going to like, but yeah, I think, just like this sense of wanting to know what's going to happen, right Like this newspaper that you could just read and get some sense of some sense of comfort or preparation of something going on. And the reason I mean the sun sign was chosen essentially was because it would take people a lot of time and effort to try to figure out their rising sign. But everybody knows their birthday, so they were able to just be like, hey, here's your sun sign astrology. When's your birthday? This is where you need to read it. And people really just started picking up on that. And that's really where sun sign astrology came from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and thinking about the time period too, it's interesting to think about. Like fortune telling was illegal and I read a bit into, because later RH Naylor got sued or something and I read a bit about the case and it was really interesting how, like, how specific they had to be and like what is fortune telling and when is it not fortune telling? Because it's I mean, this is a newspaper so like they have to be following the law. So we should do a whole episode on that, Because that was kind of interesting how they I forget what the, the act was called I know Elise would know but but something and witchcraft act and it was like anti-fortune telling and cracking down on that.
Speaker 2:But anyway, so we know that this is where Sun-Sign Astrology took its place. I also kind of consider this I'm probably not the only one, I'm sure this has been said a million times but I consider like the 1930s and this newspaper to be like the birth of what is pop astrology and the rise of this whole like sun sign astrology thing. So, Amber, do you think sun sign astrology has its place today or do you think we need to move on from it?
Speaker 1:I think that you have to look at the pros and cons right. Like sun sign astrology is really accessible for people and I think there's that benefit. You don't need to know anything besides your birthday and I do think people can really vibe with your sun. It's what makes you feel good and happy and shine Right. So I think you know the downside is that your son, really just knowing your son, kind of flattens who you are. Like it's. It's not the whole picture and it can really reduce you to a stereotype and risk like centering your ego around who you are, but you're not going to know anything about how you communicate, express yourself, show love, express anger. So I think sun astrology has its place. I think it's fun and cutesy and it gets a lot of people into astrology. Yeah, I, I, yeah that for sure. It was definitely my entrance into astrology. So I think it has its place and I think if you really are interested in astrology, though, you just like have to go deeper. A hundred percent, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think a lot of people today are, I mean cause even the fact that you know people know their big three. Now, like and I'm not saying everyone does, but I would say I mean most people who know their sunshine, I would say almost all of those people probably know their big three at this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's only because it's become so accessible right, it's free, like you can go online and it'll calculate it for you. I think it's become very accessible versus probably, you know, 20, 25 years ago that was not really an option, unless you paid someone to calculate it for you or you went to a book and tried to do that. I said that 20, 25 years ago that would be 2000. Okay, I'm like, wait, maybe we did that, yeah.
Speaker 2:So this has been a cool conversation. I am excited now to get into the actual like meat of our conversation, which is the sun and the moon. Okay, now let's really get into some of the fun details about the sun. The sun here comes the sun, do-do-do-do. So we mentioned this before, but the fun thing about this podcast is that we are also actually just astrology students learning alongside you all with this. So it'll be really interesting to come back to this episode a year from now and to see, like, if we cringe at anything we say today about the sun or the moon.
Speaker 1:so yeah, yeah, I'm pumped to talk about the sun because while we're recording this, I haven't seen it in like 10,000 years in upstate New York, um, but yeah, the sun, like the key themes of the sun, the sun's your will, your purpose, your most essential self, who you are. When the mask comes off or I don't know, the clothes come off and you're just raw and they're naked and you and I just like to think of the sun as what truly lights you up and makes you happy. And if we take it back to like the difference between the rising and the sun sign I kind of talked about this a little bit, which I know you kind of disagreed with a little bit, jordan like you can like grow into your rising sign. I've always just thought about the rising sign as, like when you're a younger person, you feel like the rising signs kind of like that protective layer that you show people and as you grow, the sun might be who you become.
Speaker 2:But I think we talked a little bit about this, about like yeah, and this actually, I feel like this is going to spoil a little bit later, but I feel like that's actually what you're describing is a bit more how I think of the moon too. Like, the moon is what we, what we learn to decide is safe to show or not, about ourselves, and the sun is who the sun is, how like we have to outwardly express our sun, it has to come out. But the moon we kind of we learn what to show and what not to show from our moon.
Speaker 1:That's so interesting. The moon to me is kind of like an uncontrollable option, like it's not a choice in the sense of like a con. It's like an unconscious choice well it is.
Speaker 2:I would say like, like. It's not a choice in the fact that, like, that is who you are inside, but the choice to show other people yeah, yeah, I think that definitely.
Speaker 1:I guess to compare that in my brain with, like the rising sign, the rising sign would then be just like, that's like not so much a conscious decision, it's just like who you are when you're out in the world, like so, maybe, maybe it's like to me, maybe then the rising sign is sort of unconscious because it's like who you are out in the day to day, when you're like wearing your clothes and like this is this is who I am, or the moon would be like more when you're like wearing your clothes and like this is this is who I am, or the moon would be like more when you're alone and like what's going on, yeah, this might be more pop astrology too.
Speaker 2:I haven't thought about this in a while, but I think I've also heard people say, like the rising sign is how other people perceive you.
Speaker 2:So, like, the sun is who you are and it's who you know you are, but the rising sign is how you actually come across to other people. So maybe I I don't want to use myself as an example too often, but just to do it now so I'm a gemini sun, which makes me think that I'm chatty and I'm social and I'm smart and I am a social butterfly and I blend in with a lot of different groups and I think that I'm bubbly and exciting. But the rising sign as a scorpio might, um, make me come across as more intense than I realize I do, and maybe I'm not as like bright and bubbly as I picture myself being. Oh, and not in a bad way, like there's pros to the Scorpio, but, um, just that whole, like I have an idea in my head of what I think I look like, how I think I show up, but the rising sign and I guess, think I show up, but the rising sign, and I guess that would be unconscious thing, cause the rising sign comes out anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1:I, yeah, I like that. I think you know how this shows up in your chart is where you could really look at what house you have your sun sign in, and the key themes for those will basically be how those house themes show up for you. In a way, that's just like damn, this feels really good. This lights me up and feels so true to me, so like, for example, I've said it, my son in my 10th house. We talked about earlier career ambition, determination to succeed, maybe a desire for public recognition, which is like so true for me. Words of affirmation light up my soul. Um, and then, uh, jordan, where's your son?
Speaker 1:I have my son in the eighth house. Okay, that's what I thought. I think I wrote that down too and I just like forgot um so like eighth house right. So like we're talking like debt, death taxes I'd go with. Like transformation and sexuality and like power dynamics and fun stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I do, and this goes, you know, farther into houses than we're ready to go into yet.
Speaker 2:But the eighth house is also one of the hidden houses. So I like I don't know a better way to phrase this, but I guess I would kind of view it too as like the sun. It's not that it shines last year, it's just that like I would consider this like it's just more of an inward shining. I guess I would kind of view it too as like the sun. It's not that it shines less here, it's just that like I would consider this like it's just more of an inward shining, I guess. But I do think, like you know, sun in the eighth house makes me a great researcher, very interested in psychology. I would think this, along with my Scorpio rising and along with my chart ruler being in the eighth house, I think this is an indication that I might be a good judge of character, and not just judge of character, but that I can, that I'm a quiet observer and that I will pick up a lot more on you than you think you're showing me. It's very mysterious.
Speaker 1:I like it. Yeah, ego soul essence. Well, soul can be questionable, depending on how you view the soul.
Speaker 2:but I put soul on my index card.
Speaker 1:Like your life force, your purpose, your sense of, just like what drives you. Yeah, and creative expression too. Creative expression, too. So we got our key themes for the sun, something I learned from jordan which I did not know before this is a little jingle, some kind of jingle. We learned something we do need to learn together uh, we could pay someone on Fiverr to do that.
Speaker 2:I know I'm like $15,. Who wants it?
Speaker 1:So yeah, the planets and luminaries have body part relationships, and I think that totally makes sense. When we're learning about magic or like herbs, everything usually has some sort of relation to the body. I just never thought about it in the sense of astrology.
Speaker 2:So, jordan, can you tell us more about that? Yeah, and I'm really excited to have this conversation too, amber, because you are a medical professional, so I'm excited to see what little tidbits you can share here. But the sun in astrology is kind of considered like the heart of the chart, so it's the life force, it's the thing that keeps things moving and the things that keep you beating, and the sun literally rules over the heart and the circulatory system, so the sun is ruling over our body's distribution of nutrients and oxygen, which is obviously very essential to our health.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes perfect sense with the key themes you were talking about and a great way to kind of like associate that too and help you memorize, like, what the sun actually is. The sun is like the heart, your core, who you are. Something I thought that was really interesting actually is when I was doing some of the I keep putting my hand in front of my mouth. I don't know why, um, but the sun in my research of plants and herbs tend to be related to plants that also can affect your heart and circulatory system, and so I was able to put those things together and I thought that was super cool.
Speaker 2:And not something I realized before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so totally makes sense.
Speaker 2:Well, that makes me think of one of the things too, that the sun rules over vitamin D absorption, and that's kind of like an obvious one, but I remember I had read a few others. It rules over, like gold, vitamin A as well. I don't know what vitamin A is, but anyway. So the sun does rule over other functions in our body too, like our energy reserves, our metabolism, our cellular function, the conscious state or like the being awake state.
Speaker 2:I'm not a medical astrologer, but what I am talking about now is what I have learned from Heather Alland, and you can really learn a lot about your health through looking at just like the element that the sun is in. So somebody with like a fire sun may have an easier time recharging their energy faster, take less time to warm up, but they'll also probably like burn out faster. So they're definitely like sprinters. Earth signs are probably better with long distance running. They do take longer to recharge, but the use of their energy is more steady and consistent. They don't run out of energy as quickly like someone with their son in a fire sign would.
Speaker 1:I really love that running analogy Like the water sign. For me I'd be like hanging out in the sidelines cheering and giving you a really big hug when you're done sprinting.
Speaker 2:You're there with the water coolers, with the water coolers.
Speaker 1:No, I think that goes a lot into how we recharge right, like as a water sun. I've already talked about like my recharge looks like soaking in a tub, hanging out by a river doing some journaling or just like taking some time to be alone, but then you may have an air sign. Let's see who may need to like talk a lot about that marathon afterwards and that's how they recharge. Um, yeah, this self-care discussion. Actually, I'm really excited to go deeper in later episodes because I know there's a lot of different places we can look at this in the chart and the sun being how you conserve or like restore that energy is so important to that.
Speaker 2:So, amber, I said that I'm really excited to talk about this with you because you are a medical professional, so is there anything in here that like sparked anything that you've got some cool facts about?
Speaker 1:So is there anything in here that like sparked anything that you've got some cool facts about? So you mentioned earlier that the sun was over vitamin A, vitamin D. So vitamin A is going to be like your retinol, your carotenoids. Did I say that?
Speaker 2:right Carotenoids, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's a fat soluble vitamin. You know, retinol is really good for your skin and stuff, but the vitamin D, as a side note, actually not all animals actually need vitamin D, um, they don't need. I'm sorry, they need vitamin D. They don't need vitamin D from the sun, um, and they can get it from like diet and stuff. So your cats and dogs can really get it exclusively from their diet, whereas humans, we can obviously do both right, like we could take vitamin D supplements when we have to. But like this is why the sun is so important for us is because most of our vitamin D does come from the sun. You know, I don't know, maybe, like for animals, the sun would be ruling over their gut or something.
Speaker 2:Is there any animal that doesn't that can't get it from their diet? That?
Speaker 1:like relies exclusively on the sun that you know of yeah, I mean like reptiles, like why uvb light is so important for them, like you can still supplement, but they're mostly going they wouldn't do that in the wild, yeah yeah, they're mostly going to need that from like the uvb interesting. Um, yeah, and I don't know about like deep sea animals that like don't see any sun yeah, I was thinking that too yeah, I'm sure there's animals that probably don't need vitamin d. I was gonna say they probably I was.
Speaker 2:I was about to say I imagine they just don't need it. I guess, yeah. So, moving beyond what the sun represents and what part of us the sun rules over who? Who is the sun really? So what archetypes can we imagine when we're working with the sun?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I really like this section, like how I think it's really helpful when you're studying to be able to like personify different bodies, and so how can we personify the sun? So there's obviously mythology. Can we personify the sun? So there's obviously mythology, which definitely has value. But, Jordan, you and I have talked about how we I mean we know things right. Well, I know like the sun is associated with like Helios and Apollo, and you know more of like the Greek mythology, but I'm not super well versed on like the stories and history of that. So how do we, or listeners, personify the sun or like work with the sun?
Speaker 2:always do, and this is the kind of thing that we can like start to think about, um to really apply these archetypes into our lives, or to be able to like personify them in a way that we, as humans, can connect to and relate with. So, the hero, who is the hero? They are someone who is always facing challenges along the story and discovering their true selves and their purpose the hero that's such a classic story.
Speaker 1:So like who's our hero? Like simba simba from the lion king, that's such a good example.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so simba has this destiny to become king, which is another archetype of the sun the king, the monarch, the ruler. But simba has a destiny to become the king and as a young kid, he's just a happy, go lucky, playful, curious and excited little cub, and that's very, that's very sun. Have you seen the new Mufasa movie? I am actually not the biggest Disney person. I have this weird thing. What? What part of my chart explains this? I have this weird thing where I Love when you take it back to the chart. I told you about this weird when we were talking about podcasts.
Speaker 2:I do this weird thing where I have to start from the beginning of everything and complete the entire thing. I'm such a completionist and so I have had this goal forever to watch every single Disney movie in order. But I don't like Disney that much, so I don't know why I have this goal to watch every single Disney movie in order. But I don't like Disney that much, so I don't know why I have this goal, and so I tried to switch it to um, cause I do love live actions. I'm like, I'm a big fan of remakes, I'm a big fan of making everything live action. Okay, this is such a tangent, but my next goal is to try to watch all the live actions in order, and I haven't started yet. I think 101 dalmatians is the first one. But to answer your question, no, I have not seen the new movie oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Well, I haven't either, but okay, well, good talk, good talk I was just wondering because I was like mufasa, you know, simba, basically like watches his dad die, like RIP, and believes it's his fault.
Speaker 2:so I started the first big challenge of the hero.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's his. I mean that really. It's sad. That's a sad moment. I cried as a child a lot.
Speaker 2:I cried Bambi sad, and then Simba's not Simba anymore well, I think and that's an interesting way to put it like seeing him like it's not simba anymore. So after that moment of watching his dad die, um, and blaming himself, he essentially runs away from this life purpose of becoming the king, and so we kind of see like his light being dimmed and like the death of his ego yeah, it's so sad.
Speaker 1:And he's like hiding. Oh, he's like hiding to like avoid his like purpose of like leadership and yeah he's definitely like he's gonna be a leader.
Speaker 2:He's leo's son and it's all part of the, you know, the hero's journey, like you're not really gonna be a hero if you do nothing, if you don't have any kind of challenge, um, but you do see, like his son being dimmed a little bit and while you know, while he's away, he is still simba, like he is still him. He's just like not shining to the full potential that he was like born into. He's not the king and leader. Yeah, and you know, back in the day, he just couldn't wait to be king hakuna matata and all that stuff yeah, but yeah, I guess hakuna matata later on.
Speaker 1:You know his friends come back and then they help him just full self. Oh my gosh, this is so cute.
Speaker 2:So maybe his son is in like the 11th house yeah, because if we're saying he's a leo's son, then that would make him a Libra rising. Which kind of traps, but yeah. So then there's this part where we see his father, like the spirit of his father, say that famous line you are more than what you have become. So this is like this is kind of his dad saying like you, like deep down to your core, you have more in you than what you are doing right now. You, you are destined for more. You have such a bigger purpose than what you're displaying now. So you are more than what you have become. And this is like simba realizing that he has, that his light has been dimmed yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:And then he, like, goes back and challenges scar and takes his place on the throne as king, and now he's back with his destiny and soul perfect, yeah, answering his life's call.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is this is beautiful yeah, and so it's this whole story of like going through the journey to achieve what your soul came here to do and that you know that can get into, get into a conversation of like the north node as well, but like, to keep it simple, I just think that was a cool, long-winded way to talk about one of the archetypes that has to do with the sun, but some others that you could talk about would be the father. The sun represents the father figure in your life. I don't know if I really vibe with that as much, if I've seen that to be accurate. There are different ways people use to determine parents in the chart and I just haven't really figured out which one I vibe with the most at this point. But the sun is also the monarch. The sun is a ruler and a leader and the sun likes to be in charge. The sun is a performer, very dramatic, and the sun craves outward expression and just loves attention and audience and external validation amazing.
Speaker 2:I love that so we've talked a bit about what the sun rules over and a bit about who the sun is but Ember. I would really love to hear about the earthly correlations with the sun.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, heck. Yeah. We can't have a witchy podcast without talking about some crystals and plants and tarot. So it was really hard putting together these lists and I want to like caveat it all by saying that there are so many options to represent different planetary bodies, the signs, so these are mostly coming from my own brain and what it thinks about when talking about these luminaries. I also did do some research and reference some books and you know we may do this with the planets too. But just the caveat that, like, this is not an exhaustive list and I'm not so much herbal witch I do like to to mess with some herbs and plants and teas and stuff, but I wouldn't classify myself as an herbal witch, but I do love crystals, and tarot is something that I'm learning right now because oracle cards have kind of mostly been my jam, so I'm learning, uh, tarot, jordan, do you like mess with crystals or tarot or plants or anything?
Speaker 2:a little bit. Not herbs much at this point, but I do have my lovely plant collection. I do have a bunch of crystals as well. And then tarot. I really do want to learn more about tarot, but I just put so much time and energy into astrology that I haven't been able to pick up on tarot much yet. But I do like to use it to supplement astrology.
Speaker 1:Cool, I like that a lot, a lot. Yeah, tarot is definitely one of them that, like I can get the general themes, but it's the numerology that's I'm still learning. But let's take these things. So let's say you want to get to know the sun, channel the sun, honor the sun. You can use these tools and do things like make yourself a sun tea for crystals. If you're like looking to represent the sun in a ritual, or just like honor the sun. You can use crystals like citrine, sunstone, carnelian, so all of these stones really common, like really beautiful yellow reds, oranges.
Speaker 1:I happen to have my sunstone in my pocket. Where did I put it? Somewhere on my? Somewhere on my table. I brought my sunstone with me and I'm wearing like, put it Somewhere on my, somewhere on my table. I brought my sunstone with me and I'm wearing like a little moonstone ring, but I also have like a sunstone bracelet I really love wearing too. So anything about crystals, just make sure you're sourcing your crystals ethically. You can totally do this by asking your local stores like how they obtain their crystals, but crystal sourcing can get a little sketchy, so I would always recommend checking out the sources and then for your herbs and plants. You can either go the route of representing herbs that are going to kind of like relate to the sun in a way that's warming and hot. Actually, jordan, I don't know if we've talked about this before. Have I? Have I talked to you about my classes at like Eastern and Eastern medicine? It's the Chi Institute in Florida where I did some acupuncture stuff.
Speaker 2:No, when I was like reading through the script, I was like, oh my God, I can't wait to talk about this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I definitely, you know, have taken those classes before I'm not certified yet, like I didn't finish the actual. Before I'm not certified yet, like I didn't finish the actual, like I have to write like an essay and stuff like that. But in Eastern medicine you always have herbs that you can use that represent like cooling or warming features, and so we learned a little bit about this in my class. Even though it was like an acupuncture focused class, we did talk a little bit about this. So there's literally herbal remedies that you can use to like dispel cold from your body or like in the context of animals I guess I was learning it in and any of those can that can like dispel cold, can be good for representing the sun. They also call them like gang herbs.
Speaker 1:But anyway, yeah, think of the herbs that can like restore energy and vitality, and you know some of some of them that I use like really, I have these like intuitive connections with the plants that I may use to represent the sun. But I did also, for this, use the Culpeper's guide and breezed through that really fast. So I just wanted to mention I'm going to get my little book out because we're in class and I got to take my little book out. Some things that are going to be coming more from this, like herbal guide, versus I don't know these weren't as intuitive for me, but like St John's wort, saffron, rosemary, peony.
Speaker 2:I read rosemary is like is like the sun in areas. So I read rosemary is like exalted sun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's kind of what the book was saying too. Like the culpepper, that's what your um, your mentor, used, right yeah.
Speaker 2:Heather land. Uh, I'm pretty sure a lot of people reference it. Um, but yeah, I actually. Um, where did I even learn that? Because I actually don't have the book? Um, but I did learn that somewhere.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was from heather, yeah I did not always associate rosemary with the sun, but I really love that for rosemary, um yeah, so that was essentially my list that I got from cold peppers so you mentioned earlier um like that these herbs?
Speaker 2:herbs can dispel cold from your body. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, sorry I'm also going on like a little detour tangent here, but essentially in traditional Chinese medicine, to dispel cold means you're going to like actually literally remove cold as a pathogenic factor in your body and so like cold isn't just temperature, it's actually like a pathogen, and in Chinese medicine there's six different pathogens like there's like cold and damp and heat and, uh, flood and cold can show up as like stiff joints, slow movement, uh, sometimes you may have an animal that's like always seeking warmth. Um, they may have cold ears or nose or paws and essentially we look, you know I was looking to treat it with like tonifying points in acupuncture, but you can also use these warming herbs and tools. There's more to it. Like you need to do more diagnosing of like the actual cause. Sometimes you can have like too little yin, so you actually want to like tonify the.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, it would be too little yang, so you don't have enough heat, so your body is cold, versus like you have too much cold, but yeah, it's, it's gets into sort of like medical diagnoses. But anyway, what I'm trying to do, that whole tangent, is to say that there's different herbs, so like some of the ones I read for plants on the book, but the ones that I actually intuitively use are like ginseng, cinnamon or turmeric. Do you use any herbs, jordan to like represent the sun? Any other ones that you could think of?
Speaker 2:Not to represent the sun. This is really interesting, though, I think, because you said there's six chi. Is that what you?
Speaker 1:said Six pathogenic factors. Okay, and what were they so? Cold, damp heat, dryness, summer heat, so like it's a different kind of heat and wind.
Speaker 2:Okay, I guess this isn't going where I thought it was, but there's also a correlation with the planets, and I wasn't gonna like talk about this much because I don't, um, know enough about it and I haven't really applied it to my own practice yet, but, um, each planet has an association with being dry or wet or cold or hot, and the sun is dry and hot, so I I thought, maybe that was going along there, but maybe not.
Speaker 1:No, I think it definitely could. I think that association could definitely. I guess we'll explore it a little bit more, but I think that's correlation could totally exist. And I just want to throw out there too, again, intuitively, if something beautiful like sunflowers or marigolds or an essential oil like bergamot speaks to you, just follow your intuition and if that feels representative for you, don't let anybody be like no, that doesn't work, because like it's totally fine and obviously like, do your research if you are ever planning on consuming something yeah great advice.
Speaker 1:yeah, make sure it's like you do your research. It's a quality product, hasn't been exposed to anything toxic. You're not just, like I don't know, harvesting marigolds off the highway and eating.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then we were talking about the tarot earlier. So what I mean, I guess I'm going to assume, does the sun correlate with the sun in tarot?
Speaker 1:Yes, Wow, no, it definitely, you know.
Speaker 1:I tune for a surprise later. Yeah, so I just I think we need to interview someone later who's super into like the tarot astrology connection. I think that could be really cool, but I can talk about what I do know. And yes, the sun absolutely in the major arcana there's that obvious connection represents ego, life force, creativity, and you can also actually throw the strength card in there, which is ruled by the zodiac sign Leo, which, as we talked about, is ruled by the sun and can represent, like vitality, health, resilience.
Speaker 2:I just finished a talk with Nick Lasky. He did a NORWAC talk and NORWAC is a really popular astrology conference that happens every year in Seattle. It just happened in our time about a week ago. But he did a talk on how to use tarot to supplement astrology. It was really really good. But he had talked about the minor arcana and how it relates to the decans in astrology and that's like more advanced than what we're talking about now. But astrology just goes deeper and deeper and deeper. I swear. But we should definitely make like a little like document for patreon on these correspondences because it's a lot, it's a lot to learn.
Speaker 1:yeah, we'll make a cute document. I have a tarot book too that goes into the astrology, so like there's definitely more oh my god, I want to see it yeah it's just like a chart.
Speaker 1:It's super cute, but it's just a chart. In this tarot book I have. Okay, jordan, so I know that you're ready to tell us about our son's dignities. I keep saying dignitaries, so like right before we're talking, and I was like Jordan, we need to talk about the sun's dignitaries. And she just like looked at me and was like dignities, and I'm like yes, the dignitaries, that's the one Yep. So Jordan, tell us a little bit about the sun's dignities dignities, yeah.
Speaker 2:So again, the dignities are kind of about like the, the quality that the sign the planet is in. So every planet has, um, one or two signs. That is their domicile, so that's like their home. Um, every planet has one or two detriments where they're uncomfortable. Every planet has one exaltation, that's where they love to be, and one fall where they hate to be. We used this example in the last episode, but just to review with it.
Speaker 2:The sun is at home in Leo. This is the sun's domicile. The sun is romantic and showy and inspires creativity and excitement, just like Leo does. So there's no challenge here for the sun being in Leo. The sun is comfortable. The sun gets exactly what it wants to get. It acts exactly how you think it will act and there's really no challenge. Comfortable, the sun gets exactly what it wants to get. It acts exactly how you think it will act and there's really no challenge here for the sun.
Speaker 2:In Aquarius, the sun is less comfortable. The sun is in its detriment. In Aquarius, the sun wants to be liked by as many people as possible, but Aquarius does not care to be liked at all. Aquarius is totally happy being the weird one, the one who's seen as out there, and you'll hear people often say that Aquarius is marched to the beat of their own drum. So they are totally cool to be the lone wolf, the lone ranger doing their own thing, and that's just not what the sun is all about. So the sun is out of its comfort zone here. But the sun still can do just fine. The sun can learn to appreciate an identity that is seen as out there. It just takes time and it's a little bit more. There's a little bit more friction there.
Speaker 2:In Aries the sun is exalted. In this sign, the sun gets to establish and start new things while being the center of it, and the sun will have the confidence to charge ahead with boldness and with courage, just like Aries and just like the sun. And this is where the sun really gets to shine as the hero. But in Libra, which is the sun's fall, here the sun is very concerned with other people and how they're reacting and how they're feeling and how they're vibing, which is what Libras are all about. They're all about the other person and the relationships and the connections. And again, the sun is very much like me, myself and I and my identity. So the sun just does not know how to act in Libra and is not very supported in the sun's own goals. So this energy just doesn't jive as easily with the sun's natural tendency to be the center of attention. So with this placement the sun just has to really think about everybody else and has to like share the stage essentially.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to shout out our first episode where we use sort of the metaphor for this of like the stage and like the casting calls on how, like being the sun in some of these areas and how that plays out, whether they are exalted, and that's sort of like the is it the grant, the Oscars?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the Oscar nominee, awards nominee awards, um, or you know that they just are like an actor, maybe super unsupported when they're in their fall. So if you are interested in that metaphor, um, you're welcome to go to our first episode and get a little bit deeper into the dignities, not dignitaries, the dignities, okay. So, so domicile and leo for the sun domicile. I'm saying I'm saying that right, right, domicile, domicile, I want to say domicile. And Leo for the sun Domicile. I'm saying I'm saying that right, right, domicile, domicile, I want to say domicile, domicile. So the sun's domiciles and Leo, it's detriment is Aquarius.
Speaker 2:It's exalted, which is the opposite of Leo. Leo is a. This is kind of like if you haven't looked at a zodiac wheel yet, you might not be able to visualize this, but leo is right across from aquarius, so that's always the case, oh same with exaltation and fall. So aries and libra are across from each other and they're the sun's exaltation and fall oh, that is okay.
Speaker 1:So for those of you who are like have may not love like just memorizing stuff and you're really good with patterns, that would be that's very helpful to know, actually, and also remember we do have our study guide on Patreon. So if you're starting to try to learn these dignities for the different planets, we do have that for you. And then Jordan. I'm curious, like when you're doing readings for people, how do you incorporate the dignities into your readings?
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is something I want to learn more about, because I feel like this is one of those things that has made me very pessimistic with astrology, because the way that I've kind of learned with dignities is like if you have a planet in fall, sucks to suck, there's nothing you can do and that's just awful. And this is a bit further on too. But when you talk about house rulership, so what planet rules each house in your chart? It's like, for example I've talked about this before I have Saturn in fall conjunct Venus in detriment in Aries, and so that is right there. That's five houses that are in my chart that are ruled or touched by these planets in fall, in detriment. So that just like takes out half my chart and makes it unfortunate.
Speaker 1:So I love when you say it's unfortunate. I would word it that like you have challenges in this lifetime to overcome, which is like pretty awesome, though it kind of gives you like those goals, like okay, where are my challenges? And like how can I overcome them? Or what do I need to keep an eye out for?
Speaker 1:I almost think of it as like the cheat sheet, them, or what do I need to keep an eye out for? Like I almost think of it as like the cheat sheet, like this is like a way to kind of get a hint of what you need to like pay attention to in your chart this is definitely going to be a future episode, but it's one of those things that makes me think about like, how much free will do we have versus fate?
Speaker 2:because there's some part of me that, like you know, if we believe in astrology, then we have to believe that something is fated. And I that's kind of a blanket statement. Not everybody who believes in astrology agrees with what I'm saying, and I don't even know what I believe yet. But yeah, if you, if you think astrology can predict things, then some part of you thinks that there's fate, probably. And so when something looks so unfortunate in my chart, there's a part of me that's like, well, I'm fated to have this suck forever and I don't want to believe that. But I just, you know, I just don't know, I don't know how much free will we can have. This is and this is such like an existential like question I've been asking myself for the past two months, so like I don't totally have like an answer of where I'm going here with this.
Speaker 2:So, typically, like when looking at a chart and looking at the dignity that it's in, I would kind of use it like it depends on the question that's being asked too.
Speaker 2:So like if someone is asking me about their relationship with their second child, I will look at the ruler of their seventh house, which rules their second child, and let's say the ruler of that planet, let's say that it's. Let's just say it's the sun. And if the sun is in Libra, I might say, and if there's no other like positive aspects to the sun, I might say, like this looks like a challenging relationship, oh no, and then try to like really build out the story, like around there. So I wouldn't just end with that one statement, but then the other way around, like if the sun is in Aries, I would say, like this is probably a very like, a very forward relationship for you, very positive, very full of opportunity, something like that. And then it depends on, like you know, the house that it's in and all that. So, yeah, that's how I use the dignities, but I definitely, like I I said I want to learn more, because I don't want to. I don't want to look at my chart and feel depressed anymore no, that's just so interesting.
Speaker 1:I wanted to ask, because that's not something that I've started to touch on yet in my studies, and like, how would I incorporate that into readings? Um, so that's interesting. Thank you for sharing that, and I think we are, uh. No, I think, uh, we're ready to talk about transits, yeah, About a transit Jordan.
Speaker 2:Heck yeah, the sun in transit.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, as you guys might be guessing, I'm still newer to my studies in astrology. Um, so I very much remember when I first heard about transits and and planets moving and how they're transiting through different parts of my charts and I did not understand what that meant. So we're really excited to talk about this now and so we know that planetary bodies, right, are always moving from our perspective on earth. That's kind of how like a transit works and how, when we talk about the transits, that's what's happening. So, jordan, what does it mean for like maybe some newer astrology astrologists out there, when the sun is transitioning our charts or somewhere in our chart Transiting our charts? What did I say? Transitioning, transitioning our charts, the dignitaries of transitioning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so when the sun is transiting, so the sun is always transiting. You know, every planet is always transiting. The transiting is just like the movement and it kind of refers to like the current movement, like the natal. The natal chart is stagnant. The natal chart stays the way it is forever, but the planets continue moving. So the current planets are transiting. You might hear people say like the sun is transiting Gemini and that just means it is moving through Gemini. You might say that you might hear the sun is transiting my natal Jupiter. So the sun is transiting right over the natal Jupiter that is still in your chart. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so when you mentioned like the sun is transiting gemini, so gemini's in my ninth house, so the sun will be transiting through my ninth house, right, okay, and so like what does that actually mean? Like what does the sun's transit actually do?
Speaker 2:so, um, there are 360 degrees in a natal chart and the sun moves about one degree each day, so it's a relatively like quicker moving planet, um, and spends about 30 days in each zodiac sign and in each house, using the whole sign houses, um, and we'll talk about the different house systems another day okay, all right.
Speaker 1:All right, that makes sense, because different planets and planetary bodies, um, they'll end up like transiting at different speeds, right? So that's why, like some, will some planets. What is it like? Jupiter will be in a sign every 12. Is it 12 years? About every year, about yeah, 12 years ago around the whole zodiac, yeah okay, so versus the sun, which is like much faster, and we'll go through them okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:So when the sun transits a part of your chart, it is illuminating that part of the chart for you and the sun is seen as like a neutral influence, so it's not really positive or negative, and it could mean that this part of your chart is being lit up for you to see more, for you to explore more and, depending on, like, how that shows up in your chart, could kind of give you more information.
Speaker 2:If, like, this is a good thing or maybe a challenging thing for you, that light might feel like an interrogation kind of spotlight, or it might feel like a warm spotlight, it might be feel fun for you or whatever. You might also feel a bit more energized in this area of your life. It's important to note, too, that for the sun to really do much in your chart, it has to actually be activating something in your chart. Really do much in your chart, it has to actually be activating something in your chart. So if it is transiting, let's say it's transiting your second house and it's making no aspects to any other planets in your natal chart Aspects are how the planets communicate with each other, so it has to do with, like, the angles and it's a whole astrogeography thing. If it's not making any aspects to your natal planets, it's not likely to actually activate or do much in your chart, especially if you don't have anything going on in your second house.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that makes sense. So, like you'd pull up your chart, see where the sun is and then how it's lighting up that specific area of your chart. So if I have like planets there, I would see how it's lighting up that. Or like the specific house I don't know if you like like to mess with the asteroids, if there's anything there so you'd like take a look and see and then be able to make like influences of, not influences inferences of how that might be impacting you, based on, like, if you have mercury in there, maybe like how the sun might be impacting your communication, um, and maybe like highlighting the communication for that right. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:yeah, just like that um, and then there's also mundane astrology and this has to do with, like, the astrology that is affecting or impacting the collective and not just like your chart. So it's still interesting to study transits, even if, like, it's not activating anything in your chart, like today. It'd be interesting to see like, but what's it doing outside of my natal chart? Like, what does it? So if, like, when the sun's kind of a hard example because it is such a quicker moving planet. But if we take something like Uranus that is about to move into Gemini for eight years, that's like something that's really interesting to study for, like the collective, what is Uranus in Gemini going to do? Uranus, you know, changes things. Gemini is about communication and being social. Social media is very Gemini-ish, so you can expect, like, new ways of communication, new internet things, new AI stuff, especially with Pluto and Aquarius. But that's all. That's mundane astrology.
Speaker 1:Okay Is mundane astrology. Would you equate that to like generational astrology? That's kind of how I've heard it explained a little bit Like it's where it's like impacting, like sometimes like the entire generation that's like really born in that space, Right Cause that that's like a whole generation that'll have basically like Uranus and Gemini, right Like eight years is a really long time. So that's how I've kind of-.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mundane astrology, it does include all the planets. Like the generational planets are typically like the outer, sometimes I'd say Saturn and a little bit Jupiter can like get roped in as like considered a generational planet because Jupiter's been assigned for a whole year. But mundane still includes, like the sun, moon, mercury, venus and mars. It's just kind of hard to give an example with them because they they move much quicker, okay, um, but like another. We talked about this in one of the astroweather segments. But another big one is the saturn neptune conjunction in aries and how it will be sextiling Pluto and Aquarius and Uranus and Gemini and that's a. Those are all outer planets for this example, but they, um, that's something that's going to, that's a big transit and a big placement that's going to impact the whole collective.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I keep seeing a lot about it on social media, yeah, yeah, okay, that makes a lot of sense about the transits, and I think it's important that we keep talking about this as we go through the planets and how those different planets may affect, um, like, as they transit around your chart or the collective, how they may impact that. Uh, so stay tuned for that in the future episodes, because I think it's pretty important to talk about, because that's kind of like the essential part of astrology where you're like seeing if you're really interested in how, like, the day-to-day is impacting you and your chart. Like that's going to be really impactful there.
Speaker 2:So now that we've talked about how the sun can influence us by transit and really everything else we've talked about with the sun, the correlations, the archetypes, the key themes Now let's talk about how we can actually work with the sun in our magical and our spiritual practices.
Speaker 1:Yay, my life, bud. This is actually a lot harder than I thought it would be. So when Jordan and I talked about like oh yeah, we can, we can talk about some rituals with the sun or how to honor the sun, it's really hard because, as you know, magic is so broad and can mean so many different things to some people. But I think there's a lot of things you can do here to really like work with the power of the sun if you're looking to honor the sun. So, for example, you could build like a sun altar with some of the correspondences that we talked about earlier. You can put them on that altar. You could literally go sit in the sun and just lay in the sun. Maybe get a solar crystal sunscreen with sunscreen for a very limited amount of time.
Speaker 1:One of the two I always have. I've liked the sunscreen, that like the SPF moisturizer and stuff. Yeah, yeah, where are your sunscreen folks?
Speaker 1:from a medical professional but like also bring your sunstone and, and you know, like hover it over your belly, like your solar plexus chakra and just like feel how that feels. Um, and how I think we're gonna do this section as we go through the different planet, is that I can talk about it, maybe give some ideas we could like maybe put a ritual in the Patreon or something like that. What do you think, jordan?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like the idea of you know, we're just we're just kind of laying out some ideas, we're just talking about how we might do it, anything that comes to us, and then like, yeah, maybe some like nice written one on our free Patreon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that'll be good. And then, if you all are seeing that or you're on the Patreon, maybe like put some comments in there if there's something specifically you want to see. Like I mentioned, there's so many different ways to do magic, but essentially finding what works for you. We'll start with a little bit of like understanding how the correspondence kind of speaks to you, so how the sun speaks to you, and and going from there, you could literally do that with a song. You could like make a song for the sun and then use that as a tool that feels like really important to you or in ritual.
Speaker 1:I really like to write poetry, yeah oh my gosh, oh my gosh. I love that idea of just like writing poetry to the planet and then you can turn it into a song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, get yourself a drum. Yeah, I just love that. Magic is just so unique to the individual and really just. It could come down to like creating an elaborate ritual where you're out in the sun and maybe you set yourself up a protective circle. You could have close friends with you, so this can be like a community activity that feels really good, and maybe you're like chanting a hymn that you may have written to the sun all the way to just some quiet, reflective time by yourself in the presence of the sun, with sunscreen or in the shade.
Speaker 1:But one tool I really wanted to mention is sun tea. So you may have heard of like moon tea or something like that full moon tea, but you can absolutely do this with the sun, and one way you can harness the energy of the sun is to create this like beautiful ritual tea with some of the herbs maybe we talked about earlier, or incorporating some common ingredients that can represent the sun. So things like lemon, chamomile, cinnamon, so things like lemon, chamomile, cinnamon, turmeric, and use some water in a pitcher and just set that pitcher out in the sun to essentially incorporate that energy into the tea over the course of a day. And then what I would do is I would set it out at sunrise, make sure I pick it up at sunset and like, really, you know, maybe when I'm setting it out at sunrise I set some intentions for the tea as I stir it, and then you got yourself a fancy little sun tea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's really cute. I actually hate sun tea. My dad used to make it every summer and I always hated it. Why?
Speaker 1:I hate the taste of it.
Speaker 2:Well, wait, what did he put in it? Nothing, just tea bags.
Speaker 1:And he would leave it out in the sun to brew.
Speaker 2:It was something he learned from, like his family. How witchy. Yeah, he's Catholic.
Speaker 1:No, I mean I.
Speaker 2:But I don't want to yuck anyone's yum Like. If you like, you should definitely try it, especially, I think, like you know, if you're already like a healthy, able-bodied person, cause I do think there's something about, um, what the sun does to the bacteria in the water. Um, I don't think, like I don't know, if I should be going into this.
Speaker 1:I think always, always, always, without fail. So I make sun tea all the time. I usually put some like lemon in there, uh, sometimes some green tea, and I let it sit out. I think, um, do your research always, look at the ingredients that you're about to consume. You can always Google and make sure that if it's like sitting out, I will say probably one of the things that Jordan may be referencing is like how long that is left there to brew, um, but usually, because it's not boiling, I don't usually have like an issue with it, like it's not like boiling, that's the thing I think it would really like from the brief research I had done before, like years ago I think it was only, like you know, because I, again I, even though I didn't love it like I, grew up drinking it and I'm fine Like I think as long as you're like if you don't have any underlying issues, you're probably fine.
Speaker 2:I just remember because it changes the taste so dramatically and I didn't like it. And so I remember like I would like I Goog't like it and so I remember like I would like. I googled like what's making it change? And it had something to do with, like, what it's doing to the bacteria in there.
Speaker 1:But I wonder, was it like black tea or something?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't typically use like a black tea. I don't know if that matters, but I just don't like taste a difference. Well, I know, I just don't like how bitter black tea gets. When you like leave it in for so long, like usually black tea is just like a seven or nine minute brew. Yeah, I just don't like how bitter black tea gets, so I just don't use it.
Speaker 2:In the tea that you make. Do you taste a difference when you leave it out in the sun versus when you don't?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it tastes magical. Yeah, it tastes magical, tastes sparkly, sparkly like the rainbow. No, I don't know. I've never had an issue with it, so I don't know. Um, I always put a lid on it so the buggies don't get in it. Yeah, anyways, this is interesting and I didn't realize it would spark such controversy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to think of something cool too, because I like I definitely don't want to come across like you shouldn't try this, like I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, you should totally try it and see if you like it.
Speaker 1:But if you end up trying it, make sure you google your ingredients and then leave us a comment and let us know if you liked it disgusting a lot of people love it, so like eat your heart out but yeah, or just go sit in the sun, jordan, put your sunscreen on and go sit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my way I also. I mean, this is kind of this is beyond just the sun. But, like this is my first year since I've moved into a new apartment, um, I've been doing some like outdoor gardening and the connection that that kind of gives me with like the earth and with the plant and with the sun and with the water and everything that's like growing this plant, like to me that's very spiritual and to me it's a connection with more than just the sun. But it is a connection with the sun because the sun is feeding these plants, that I am also feeding, and that the earth is also feeding, that the water is also feeding. So that's another way you can connect with the sun, love it.
Speaker 1:Let us know how you connect. We would love to hear it, y'all. And speaking of connecting, we want to, as we did in episode one, give you something to reflect on and something to do so always to our students, your homework assignments For some reflections or journal prompts. If you're looking to connect with the sun here, with your sun tea or your not sun tea, think about questions like how do I embody my sun energy? When do I feel most like me? So see, you know, start maybe journaling on that and seeing how that aligns with your sun time. Or maybe like what creative energy or superstar vibe am I here to share with the world? What are you here for? What are you sending out into the universe? What makes you feel alive?
Speaker 2:these are great questions. Oh my god. No, those are so good. Those are so like. That's such a good. This is such a good practice to like connect with the sun and then to also like learn your chart and understand a bit about, like, what your soul wanted to do when it came into this life.
Speaker 2:I love that and for something to do, I thought it would be really cool to write a letter introducing yourself to the sun. So tell the sun a bit about you. Maybe ask some questions to the sun. You can be specific to your chart if you'd like. Is the planet supported or unsupported by the dignity in your chart? What sign and house is the planet in? And, with all this information, what questions do you have for the sun? What do you want to tell the sun? How does this planet show up for you in your life? Maybe tell them your thoughts on their journey, like the stories we talked about with the sun's journey, the hero's journey. Maybe talk about reflections you have on the hero's journey and what you think about the sun from those stories. And this would also be a great time to pull a tarot card or an oracle card asking what can I learn from this planet right now?
Speaker 1:So what can I learn from the sun? Thank you all so much for being here in the study room with us. We hope you feel a bit more connected to the sun, and we are so excited to get into the moon in the next episode. So, whether you are a beginner to astrology or just refreshing on what you already know, we hope you learned something new or had some takeaways.
Speaker 2:And if you'd like to go a little bit deeper, we'll be posting a few more journal prompts and rituals and study guides to everything that we talked about today. As well as working to build a community of astrology students over on our free Patreon that is linked in the show notes, we also just recently added some donation tiers no pressure to do these. Actually, I'll just say too, the reason why we had picked Patreon was largely because we didn't want to fight with the algorithm. We just kind of wanted to be able to talk directly to other astrology students and not have to worry about going viral or anything like that. So that is why we picked Patreon. That is why the content is free. You don't have to pay us, but if you would like to, I will just be upfront that to run this podcast monthly, we're paying about $65 a month, not including any of our one-time fees.
Speaker 1:We appreciate and love you all so much. We are happy to share this and if you would like to donate, as Jordan said, no pressure, feel free to join on our Patreon. We love you forever and you know we'll send like personalized videos to you because we love you so much. Yeah, it'd be so cute. So next time, oh, like I mentioned, we'd be diving into the moon itself and really getting to know the moon, feel the moon, love the moon. I'm pretty excited for this episode and it'll be kind of like going into a lot of the things we talked about here for the sun.
Speaker 2:So stay tuned. This podcast is my practice of asking big questions, uncovering the hidden truths and creating an accessible space for others to do the same.
Speaker 1:questions uncovering the hidden truths and creating an accessible space for others to do the same, and I'm so grateful to be learning alongside Jordan and all of you, sharing our resources and diving into what it means to connect with the cosmos. Thank you for being part of this and we'll see you back in the study room every other Tuesday. Thank you.