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The Astro Study Room
#4 - How We Got Into Astrology OTHERSODE
Have you ever wondered what draws people to astrology? What sparks that moment when casual interest transforms into dedicated study? In this special "othersode," we take a break from our regular planetary explorations to share the personal journeys that led us to create this podcast together.
The magic begins with a new glimpse into our pre-recording ritual: pulling oracle and tarot cards dedicated to Mars and Venus. These pulls synchronistically reveal themes of transformation and cosmic connection that weave through our entire conversation. As Jordan shares her "Transformation" card speaking to radical internal shifts, and Ember pulls "The Crow" representing magic and evolution, we explore how these energies have manifested in our own lives.
Our paths to astrology couldn't be more different. Ember, always drawn to witchcraft and magical practices, found herself captivated by the systematic way astrology connected cosmic movements to human experience. Jordan's journey from skeptical atheist to dedicated astrologer represents a complete identity transformation, one she never expected. We discuss how that first profound reading experience (which turned into a five-hour session!) opened doorways neither of us anticipated.
We candidly address the misconceptions we both held about astrology from thinking it would be "cheaper" (spoiler: it's not), to believing we could master it in a few months, to expecting concrete predictions rather than cosmic guidance. These revelations highlight why making astrology accessible matters so much to us both.
The conversation flows naturally through current astrological weather, including the New Moon in Leo, Mercury retrograde challenges, and Venus moving into Cancer. We explore how these transits might manifest both personally and collectively, offering practical insights for navigating these cosmic tides.
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Welcome back to the Astro Study Room, my star students.
Jordan:I'm Ember Faye, your friendly neighborhood fire, fairy witch, and I'm Jordan, a university researcher by day and a full-time astrology student by night. Our goal for this podcast is to feel like we're all just students meeting up after class to go over our notes together. Every other Tuesday, we will be exploring core astrology topics, breaking them down and just chatting about how these concepts show up in our real lives and reflect on what wisdom the stars have to share with us. If you enjoyed this episode, I hope you will consider subscribing and leaving us a review to help this little cohort of astrology students continue to grow Welcome to our first what Jordan and I Are Calling our other-sode.
Ember:So today, jordan and I are going to talk a little bit about how we got into astrology and chat about some questions that we had for each other and we. It would be really cool to share with you.
Jordan:Yeah, we're really excited to introduce these other soads because, while we love talking about the planets, it's, you know, very research heavy, very information heavy, and we also again want this to feel like we're classmates. So we want to get to know you and get to know each other and just have some fun chatty, not studying study group.
Ember:And you'll notice sometimes jordan and I just go on tangents in the episode, so this is where our tangents are going I know now we've dedicated a space for them.
Jordan:In case you are new to our podcast, feel free to go back and check out our previous episodes, along with our free patreon content to help you learn alongside with us. And new to our Patreon are donation tiers. If you have been loving our little study sessions and want to help us keep the Cosmic Classroom open, we'd be over the moon with your support. We've created some fun and affordable donation tiers to help you stay connected and support the magic behind the mic.
Ember:Absolutely. I love that the magic behind the mic. So Jordan and I are definitely committed to this podcast and we're funding everything out of pocket to make sure that you get all the resources you need to study the cosmos with us. So no pressure at all to donate. We just want this space to be as accessible as we can to our listeners. We did actually just get some requests about donations and that's kind of how these donation tiers evolved.
Jordan:Shout out to you, elizabeth. Yeah, thank you, elizabeth. As a reminder, Amber and I are focused on trying to make astrological information as accessible as possible. We know that in the astrology community, or somewhat the industry, that there can be a big financial barrier to learning this information, and we appreciate that. So we hope to make this space available to everyone and provide content to help you communicate with the stars.
Ember:And, as always, please let us know how we're doing. We love feedback, comments, likes, subscribes, as I always say, and give us feedback on how we can help you learn. So, as a reminder, jordan and I are both students ourselves, and so we definitely do not know everything, and we'll be totally upfront with that. And so we definitely do not know everything, and we'll be totally up front with that. And we're learning together in this little Astro study room, which is why it is so special to us. So buckle up, star students.
Ember:Class is officially out and the study room is in session. So, for those of you who may not know which is probably everyone, because jordan and I haven't actually talked about this on the pod but before every recording, uh, we actually do a little dedication to mars and venus, which, if you listen to our trailer, you'll know that this is, um, these are the planetary bodies who we are dedicating this podcast to, and so we always do a little dedication ritual beforehand and pull a tarot card or an oracle card, and we thought that in this other episode, it'd be fun to share our pulls with you guys.
Jordan:Yeah, so typically, I actually always have done a tarot card so far, but I decided to do an oracle card today from the feminine wisdom oracle, uh, very, very pretty, dick highly recommend. And the card that I got was transformation. Um, we'll post a photo too on patreon, because, gosh, you got to see these cards. Um, and it says radical change, internal shift. And then when I go into the guidebook, it says a process of radical change, internal shift in nature or form. You are called to surrender to radical changes happening in your life or within you. It's time to leave behind the old ways of thinking and responding that are no longer serving you. I wonder if, like, something's going to come up that we talk about today that's going to like change my world.
Ember:I mean always Jordan.
Jordan:Oh, yeah, yeah. Recognize the strength you hold within and your capability to adapt to changes ahead, as radical or frightening as they may seem. Nothing in this life remains the same, so accepting the process of change can only bring you peace. Ask yourself which area of my life requires a fresh start. What does it mean for me to take the next step? How can I improve my life so it feels good within? And the affirmation I will stop repeating the same old patterns, praying for a different result okay.
Ember:So, like not to make everything about me, but I'm about to so like no transformation and like the concept of transformation, this past year I would say past like year and a half has been so insanely profound and present. Like I was just talking to one of my mentors about, like how essentially, I just feel like there's a version of me that is dead, like this version pre my burlesque stuff, and like, really, I've always been a witch, like I, and like really I've always been a witch, like I've been. I've considered myself a witch.
Ember:Well, I think I was Wicca for a little while and then I, like you know, kind of I took on the title of witch, maybe more recently, but I always did witchy stuff for like since I was in high school and it's just something in the past like year and a half has been such an insane transformational shift and I feel like it's been leading up to something that's going to be like crazy happening in the next year or so and I'm just like so ready for it, like I feel like I'm finally ready to like take on this transformation and I don't know, the fact that you got that card made me really happy yeah, and the you know, with the word transformation, I always think of Pluto and it's interesting that you're talking about, you know, the past year, year and a half, and Pluto in Aquarius is in your fifth house of joy and creativity.
Jordan:And I'm interested because my feeling is that you're referring to pleasure and joy, absolutely. And then of course you know, I know I don't know I can take this part out if you want, but I know, like you know, you've got business ideas in the back of your mind too.
Ember:So no, you definitely don't have to take that out. I yeah, I think, um I don't really know what that looks like yet and I'm exploring that in business or like some sort of like leadership keeps coming up or mentorship. And it was funny. I was in my one-on-one with Elise. Uh, as you, as we've talked about before, jordan and I are both in, we've done containers with Elise Wells, uh, from Seeking Numina. We're actually in one right now called Sacred Wild and, um, elise just asked me in our recent one-on-ones, like you know, with with our podcasts and things happening, have I thought about like mentorship, leadership and it just keeps coming up and, um, yeah, that Pluto and I think like a huge part of that, especially like it, like you said in the fifth house, that that dance creativity. It's like I don't, I don't know. I feel like I never really had that before my burlesque, like it was always just getting down in the grind doing my study things as a veterinarian and I don't know. Does that? How does that card resonate with you, jordan?
Jordan:So, I normally try to um think about these cards in the context of the episode that we're going to talk about. As far as, like when I was reading out about it, you know, a big thing that I'm like going through, I guess, or whatever, is um like trying to let go of control of things. That keeps coming up. For me is just like a deep-seated need of control and how to like I just don't know like how to not have that like some things. I'm kind of like I feel like I have mentally decided to let go, but I don't know, doesn't seem to change anything. The line recognize the strength you hold within and your capability to adapt to the changes ahead, as radical or frightening as they may seem, is scary. There's something kind of coming up that I have been afraid of and I'm afraid that it's saying that thing's gonna happen. So I don't know, I just went a little scary, to be honest.
Ember:Well, I think there's a lot of power in transformation and it can be really scary, but I do think that it is so necessary and important and I think, the way you know, we we kind of have to. I mean, when I say like a part of me died, like I think if I met the person I was two years ago, like I don't even think I can describe who that person was anymore Like it. When I say like she died, like she really died, and that is so unsettling and like it is scary, I totally agree, transformation is scary and it's hard. I went through some pretty crappy times with people that I really trusted that ended up betraying and really hurting me and that was like part of that transformation.
Ember:So I don't think transformation always has to be like super hard and scary, but I think that there is this sort of like death rebirth process that happens in transformation. That can be really really difficult to process sometimes. So just know I'm, I'm here for you, jordan in case.
Jordan:Yeah, it's interesting the way you say all that too, because, well, you said, if you talked to, talked to you a couple of years ago, you wouldn't even know how to describe her. And, um, it made me think that I've been saying that about myself, about like starting the spiritual journey Cause I was atheist, like strong atheist, for most of my life that taking on the spiritual journey was like such a crazy radical identity shift to me and kind of like put me in an identity crisis and it's not in a bad way. So kind of also, like you said, like change doesn't have to be bad or it doesn't always have to be scary, but if I had a conversation with me two years ago, we would not get along anymore. It feels like and I wouldn't say that she's died, so I don't, I don't have that feeling, but I am kind of like there, like that is a big change in my life. That's shifted everything.
Ember:What card did you pull.
Ember:Yeah, so alongside change and death and all the things, I pulled the crow also a very beautiful card. So I am pulling from the mystical shaman Oracle guidebook deck. I love this deck. It's it's very beautiful, very symbolic, just has lots of beautiful imagery and talks about essences and invitations and medicine. It kind of gives you like a threefold guidebook. But it's funny. As I pulled this card, I will say, before I read out of this book, like I was like, oh, the crow. The crow always signifies for me sort of like magic transformation. Like this, like really, I don't know, the crow just to me is like the essence of, of magic. Like when I see crows outside, I'm just like yes, like they're coming to say hello, I love them. My baby is like so when I pulled that card, it's always like a little bit of a reassurance. Um, it's also card 13, which I also. Yeah, um, mine was seven, by the way. Yeah, I think you know numbers, baby.
Jordan:But those are two.
Ember:Those are like the lucky numbers right seven and 13 yeah, some say that they're yeah, yeah, yeah, they are um, but yeah, this like this card in the guidebook, which I don't always vibe with this guidebook. I feel like I kind of jordan. When we've done these in the past I usually use like intuitive reading I guess, but um, it talks a lot about. This card reminds us of the cycles of life and the evolving self, ever changing and always connected human spirit, nature, the cosmos, all intrinsically connected.
Jordan:So I think that's really beautiful, especially what we were just talking about yeah, that does go together really well and that really like both of these cards together, give me really strong scorpio vibes, which goes along with pluto.
Ember:Yeah, oh my gosh. Yes, you're so right. I'm just skimming through the rest of this, but essentially I'm talking about co-creating your world, knowing that you have a purpose in this world, just like how powerful you can be, and I love this. Stay the course, keep dancing and all will be well. Yeah, I think you know the medicine. Part of this is just like looking into your heart and remaining alert. You know knowing, like really knowing, and just like trusting your sense of knowing is so important.
Jordan:I will say too I forgot to finish this thought earlier, but I had said that when I pull these cards, I try to think of them in the context of what we're going to talk about. And we're talking about how we got into astrology and I mentioned like that this was even considering astrology or anything spiritual or magical was such a shift for me, so that I think that's kind of how this relates. Is that this episode is about, at least for me, how I've transformed from who I was two years ago. So do you feel like that's how it relates to how you've to this episode for you too?
Ember:So I think I don't know. I think you know what's really funny is I guess during these card pulls I have never actually really thought about how well, how it relates specifically to the episode and more just like, what message does like mars and venus have for us today?
Jordan:yeah, because, well, one time, oh gosh, didn't we get the sun card the day we did the sun? I think so, or something the sun.
Ember:I think so, or something.
Jordan:It was something like that, where it was like such a clear, like I'm here message, yeah Something very clear.
Ember:I mean, it's the sun, of course. It needs to make its presence known.
Jordan:Hello.
Ember:But yeah, so this is what Jordan and I do, just so you know, before every episode, and sometimes it'll take us like 20 minutes just to even start. Seriously, yeah, no joke, during during this episode, we were about to start talking I was like Jordan, what if we record our card reading? And she was like okay, so that's what you're all getting today. So thank you so much for listening. So you're welcome. All right, everyone.
Jordan:We're gonna move on to our current astro weather so for today's astro weather segment, we are actually going to start with ember's interpretation of the new moon coming up in leo.
Ember:Yes, so we have been delving more into like some well, just some more long-term transits in our episodes, but we have been really loving Jordan and I were talking our like little short moon segments as well. So today I wanted to bring up the new moon in Leo, which is happening on July. New moon in leo, which is happening on july 24th, so two days after this episode airs, and peaking at 3 11 pm eastern standard time. So the new moon in leo, jordan. I wanted to ask you, like when we think leo, what vibes are you getting? What does the leo sign represent? Drama?
Jordan:the drama, dramatic, romantic as well, big, bold and flashy, Like like Leo, is the one who would do like a big romantic gesture and then creative and honestly, all I'm getting right now is the drama makes me think of drama.
Ember:Yes, I, you know me. For me, leo is that fire sign and I agree it's that time to be bold, express your creativity. Leo is ruled by the sun. So, as we've talked about with the sun, we have this outward celebration of the self combined with this really introspective time of the new moon. So, if you remember from our sun episode, our sun luminary is all about self-expression and how you embrace joy in your life and it also rules the heart as well and Leo nourishes creativity and play really like commanding your own life and taking control of that in such a positive way.
Ember:So when you're looking at this new moon, you can just think about what house you might have Leo in and then how you can create some intentions around this new moon where you may find the most joy or creativity potentially related to that house, if you want to take it there, and how maybe you can introduce more of that in your life to be able to grow that over the next six months. So something I've really loved that Jordan has talked about is to kind of look at these cycles where you have, like the new moon in Leo, so maybe by the full moon in Leo, like bringing that back around and you know, really reflecting on how you've created this joy in your life. And if you are into journaling, you can look at how to incorporate more of that during this new moon in Leo to the full moon in Leo, which will actually be happening around February 2026. So that's a really good cycle and, you know, I think joy and creativity is so important, especially right now.
Ember:I feel like we all need a little bit more joy and creativity. So just think about that and some other things you may think about include what parts of yourself do you wish to celebrate more boldly? Or where in your life do you want to feel more confident and free? And, finally, you can create some affirmations around that. If you know you are really I love affirmations. So I'll just like, in the mornings, look at myself in the mirror and just like, flirt with myself and tell my aspiration, my aspirations, my aspirations and my affirmations. Uh, and just you know, create an affirmation around those topics and repeat it to yourself when you feel like you may need it.
Jordan:Yeah, and the interesting thing too, um, because Leo is a fixed sign. So, going back to what we talked about with our Oracle polls today, leo does not really like change very much. Leo struggles with change, so nothing else to say besides that just throwing in that little nugget. So, like Ember said, we have largely been focusing on some long-term transits, but today we are going to talk about some shorter ones. A lot of the upcoming transits I want to bring up today come from the sun. The morning this podcast has come out, the sun will have just moved into Leo. So happy Leo season everyone. Yay.
Jordan:We said earlier that Leo is all about the drama and the romance and the creativity, and really so is the sun. The sun is very comfy in its domicile, leo. And in astrology there are. There are several different branches in astrology and we're not going to go through them all right now, but two of them are mundane astrology and natal astrology. Mundane astrology has to do with using astrology to predict world events, while natal astrology focuses on the individual and their birth charts and their transits.
Jordan:I bring this up now because I feel like, when it comes to shorter transits, like sun transits, the way mundane astrology is going to be described. You know, if you listen to other astroweather segments or when you're listening to ours, the way mundane astrology is going to be described may just not resonate with everyone. For sun transits in natal charts I generally look at where the sun is transiting in my chart and what planets it's aspecting. I generally look at where the sun is transiting in my chart and what planets it's aspecting and I consider that part of my chart like lit up or spotlit during this transit. So while Leo being lit up in your chart, if you have planets being activated, this can be a time of personal creativity and self-expression and a call to be louder and finding what feels good for you. So this sounds like a lot of those new moon intentions you can be setting In mundane astrology. Astrology. The sun moving through leo can bring a larger focus on national leaders, nationalism, pride in your country or your identity or your culture.
Jordan:You may see political leaders appearing more attractive and extra charismatic during this time keep a straight face um, leo also has a lot to do with entertainment, so maybe there's a huge show coming out or more people are willing to spend their money on film and theater during this time. As we said, leo loves the drama, so we could possibly see some major public scandal amongst the world leaders or celebrities. Now, with the, the opposition to Pluto in Aquarius, this can be a major push and pull feeling between wanting to focus on yourself and wanting to focus on other groups of people. On a larger scale, leos represent leadership and a person in power, while Aquarius represents the collective. Aquarius is the sign of revolution and Pluto transforms, like we talked about earlier. So this is a huge tug of war between people in power wanting to maintain the status quo versus the public pushing for radical changes.
Jordan:Now, yes, we can very easily apply this to how a lot of us feel about Trump and American politics, but this can apply on different scales too. So, if you are in the US, this can be referring to your city leaders, your state governors. If you work in a school system, this can refer to the Board of Education versus the teachers or versus the parents Really, any kind of smaller scale. This doesn't have to be the president, now Pluto is in Aquarius until 2044, so a lot of these Pluto and Aquarius themes are things astrologers have been talking about and will continue to talk about for the next few decades. I think the sun opposition brings that spotlight to Pluto right now and emphasizes that opposition between the leaders and the public. That was a lot of words and information, so how does this all sit with you?
Ember:I don't know. I mean, it's so hard. There's just so much happening right now in the world and you know I like how you're saying that, oh, this could apply on different scales, like talking about Trump and not having to be large scale. But you can even take it larger than that and talk about our entire world at large right now and everything going on in the.
Ember:Middle East and it's happening. This Pluto and Aquarius is gonna. It feels like a rough one right now and it's only just beginning, so I can only hope that, like this change and these radical changes are actually going to be something for the collective good. That is, that is how I get through every day, but you know it's sitting here and I think I've. Yeah, it'll be interesting, jordan, how we, how we move on through this over the next six months. I know a lot of people are going through some pretty rough times right now. But Leo, if we jump back to that Leo in the sun sign, so, yeah, I think that's more fun.
Ember:Sure, sure, I don't know, have Leo, uh, in my 11th house. So that's my house of like community and and groups and, um, I don't know, I could use a little bit of like energy there. I think, yeah, yeah, with friends and groups of people. For sure, yeah, I have a very interesting my, my word of the year. I did a word of the year. This is again total side side comment. I did a word of the year with, um, hannah, the suburban witch, uh, back in the beginning of the year. Yeah, so she does these awesome word of the year card pulls and my two.
Jordan:What did I? Let you keep talking. Let me look up what mine was. Okay.
Ember:Mine was solitude and it was Hekate which was the goddess that embraced that solitude and when I first got that I was just like what in the world is this Solitude? I am the most bubbly, needing attention person, Love my friends, love social stuff and I've just been really trying to embrace that this year, creating like boundaries around my spirituality and just like trying to really delve into my witchy stuff, my boss stuff and just really trying to like hone in on that. And so I think, spotlighting my community right now I need it for, like, my mental health need right now.
Jordan:I need it for, like, my mental health. Yeah, I went back and just looked at my word and it was elocution. What the heck did you? Yeah, so it means the skill of clear and expressive speech, especially of distinct pronunciation and articulation. That's a very ironic card, I know, as I'm like making sure I say everything correctly into the mic. Is there a goddess associated with it? Yeah, calliope, the Greek goddess of eloquence and epic poetry, the wisest of the muses.
Ember:Isn't she also from Grey's Anatomy?
Jordan:Oh, Callie, yeah, Callie, yeah. Our favorite orthodontic no, not orthodontic orthopedic surgeon.
Ember:Yeah, I've had people tell me that I remind them of Kelly and it's like the best compliment really, I love that.
Jordan:Yeah, I was like that would be amazing gosh. What do you think of the musical episode, because I honestly am here for it. I know it's controversial, but I loved it um, I think Kelly just made that episode.
Ember:Oh, absolutely, she carried it on her back.
Jordan:Yeah, and I loved it. That's like what I mostly remember. I also remember Owen singing it as well. He carried a little bit of it.
Ember:Oh, yeah, anyway, Grey's Anatomy divergence. Okay, jordan, what else we got here? Oh, we got to talk about Mercury retrograde. Yeah, oh everybody always freaks about the Mercury retrograde yeah.
Jordan:So that just started in Leo just a week ago, from when this podcast comes out and it will station direct meaning appear to move forward again on August 11th. In general, retrogrades are a period of going back and revisiting something, Something you may want to try again, something you wanted to start but are now deciding. Now is not the right time and during retrogrades you always want to double check things. Double check that you have enough gas in the car for tomorrow, Leave extra extra early for airports, Plan for extra traffic, Double check all your emails before sending them and stuff like that. I do think the Leo flare could make this retrograde about revisiting creative projects, but I definitely encourage you to check out where Leo is in your chart and see where Mercury is retrograding for you.
Ember:Very assuring about your thoughts on this. I was born during a Mercury retrograde. Do you have thoughts on that, what that might mean for me or anybody with Mercury retrograde in their? Do you have thoughts on that, like what that might mean for me during, or anybody with mercury retrograde in their natal chart?
Jordan:Yeah, I don't know too much about it. From what I've heard, some people take this to mean, like you do better during retrogrades, that you might have a better time with communication during the retrograde, because a lot of people are known to get like tongue tied during the mercury retrograde and maybe you don't.
Jordan:Maybe you're tongue tied every other time except the retrograde. Other than that idea, I don't think it would actually impact natal charts any differently, whether if you're a natal retrograde or not. Some people disagree. I don't know where I sit on that, but I think I think either you have an easier time with it or, I don't know, maybe if it's retrograding in the sign where you have your mercury, that can be, like you know, a completion of a cycle and that's its own thing. But other than that.
Ember:Yeah, that's my thought yeah, I can't necessarily say from experience that I like do better during mercury retrogrades, but I do anecdotally think that I do not have as much, have as many issues during the retrograde. So I was just curious about your thoughts.
Jordan:Yeah, that's cool. I have all of my modern planets retrograde, so Uranus, neptune and Pluto those are my only retrograde planets, do I?
Ember:I have to go back and look at my chart. I feel like I also have some of those in retrograde. Probably all right. And what do we got last jordan? What do we got last going on the?
Jordan:last thing we will talk about for this segment is venus's upcoming ingress into cancer, and ingress means to move into, so venus will be moving into cancer from july 31st through august 26th I love how you prepared what ingress was gonna mean.
Ember:Prepared. What Ingress was going to mean because you knew I was going to ask for it.
Jordan:No, because we're speaking the language here and we're teaching the language and we're immersing ourselves in it, and this is a more advanced technique, but I did just want to throw it out there. If you know which planet is your chart ruler, you should always pay special attention to them when astrologers talk about them or if something is moving into a sign where your chart ruler lives in your chart. And then also, a little bit more advanced, if you know your time lord for the year or the chapter that you are in for zodiacal releasing, then pay special attention to those planets. So, like Ember, we know that you are ruled by Venus, and so you're going to pay more attention to where Venus is moving. And then you know, in general, you're always going to pay attention to when Venus ingresses into another sign, but ingressing into Cancer, where you have your sun, is obviously extra special.
Jordan:And then is your midheaven in your 10th house. Yes, so it's also going to be touching on an angle which is always an important life thing.
Ember:So how long is Venus going to be?
Jordan:till august 26th yeah, it's a pretty short, pretty short transit with venus so I'm gonna have life-changing things happen during that time. You know, I don't even have to say life-changing, life-supporting, life-beneficial, it's Venus, so we love to see it do things.
Ember:I know I'm kind of excited for that. Yeah, I love it. And Jupiter in Cancer too oh my gosh. Yeah, there's some things happening.
Jordan:I was like get that business started.
Ember:I'm going to beautify myself.
Jordan:So with Venus's ingress into Cancer, I would say, wherever you have cancer in your chart, you may feel a pull or desire to make that thing beautiful. You may also want physical things to go along with it. If you have cancer in your sixth house, for example, you may want to like spruce up your workspace and maybe even actually acquire something new to have at your desk. It doesn't you know, you don't need physical things, but Amber and I have talked about how much we love physical things and venus loves physical things.
Ember:Jordan sixth house. I think always like work and stuff in your 10th house, so why workspace is sixth house?
Jordan:yeah, so 10th house is like your career and your uh, your career and your legacy and your public image. And then sixth house is your daily work.
Jordan:Ah, okay so like where you're also health and illnesses and all that, but that's a different, okay cool um. In mundane astrology, venus moving into cancer can manifest as more value and emphasis placed on home and family life. Cancer rules home and family, and venus rules over our values and what we value. There may be more focus on family welfare and family security as well, and I think this is a really cool time to engage with, like childhood nostalgia. So if you have children, maybe you get them a toy or an outfit from when you grew up, or put on a movie that you watched a million times as a kid. Listen to the music your parents listened to in the car growing up, and for me this would be rent britney spears, leon rhymes, destiny's child and counting crows.
Ember:Hello mother, what did your, uh, what did your parents listen to in the car? Like literally all I can think of is my dad playing grateful dead like over and over again. Beautiful movie. The movie would be 13, going on 30, and I heard that they're making a musical of it, so I'm super excited.
Jordan:Well, that's exciting. That would make a good musical right, I was just, oh, my gosh yeah, and lastly, with this transit we might also see increased efforts around the world towards national security and I wonder, um, if this transit might be a bit romantic too, like if people will really romanticize home and family life during this transit.
Ember:But we will have to see I definitely love romanticizing my home and family. I like to like live in a little fairy garden and like sip on the pool and just be a little fairy witch yeah, you've got a pool, that's awesome. I just learned that today. I knew she had a hot tub, but I just learned she had a pool today, yeah so we're recording this like July 4th, like the weekend after July 4th, and I literally spent all weekend like pretending I was a mermaid.
Jordan:And I'm not joking.
Ember:I just like picture myself as a mermaid in the pool, and I didn't leave it for like 12 hours every day. I was very pruney.
Jordan:The skin bounces back, fortunately, it did.
Ember:It's not pruney anymore. All right, jordan, thank you for those transits. Are you ready to get into some of our main questions for this other show? Absolutely, let's do it.
Jordan:All right, welcome to the main segment of our first little other-sode. So the obvious first question that comes to mind is how and when did we get into astrology? But to take it just a little bit further, what was the turning point that made you, Amber, take astrology more seriously, bit further?
Ember:what was the turning point that made you, Amber, take astrology more seriously? I think this was such a good question because I had a lot of trouble thinking and actually pinpointing, like when I got into astrology Again, I feel like pop astrology.
Ember:you know, I was looking at my J14 magazine being like when is my cancer astrology sign this month, like that was always something I loved doing and, um, I don't know. I I think my real, honestly, the real, the real time that I kind of like was like, okay, I am going to look into studying astrology was during, I think what it was, one of like Wendy Mata's like uh conferences that she does and you know, you know they're usually free or you can pay money to like get unlimited access to the recordings, and this was probably almost two years ago now. No, maybe like a year and a half ago, but I was listening to Tanae Stewart, the Witch of Lupine Hollow. I've talked about her on here, how she's one of my astrology mentors and I it was. I think it was a money conference actually. Like it was talking about like abundance, like how do you gain abundance abundance in so many different ways. And today was talking about abundance in the form of Venus, right, like taking it from, you know, venus's perspective of where Venus is in your chart and looking at the sign Venus is in and how you may like attract abundance into your life, and something about the way she was talking just like really struck me, and you know your question about that turning point that made me take astrology more seriously, I think was was then when I was like, wow, there's actually a lot to learn here that I've never explored before and I loved the way today was teaching it. And so I was.
Ember:I kind of just was like she was running like a special for her inner circle and I just decided, hey, I'm gonna join. And I knew nothing like they would. We do so much in the inner circle like it's our Slack channel. She's on there weekly doing like weekly questions, q&a and you know we get like affirmations, we talk about the transit, and it was just very accessible from someone who didn't know anything. And she also has like a whole library of stuff that I started looking into.
Ember:That was really helpful for starting to learn like what the planets represent and what the different signs during the seasons are, and so I kind of just like delved in there for like a year or so and like fast forward to, I guess, now Jordan, where, like I yeah, I mean I just I think that I don't know that question about taking astrology more seriously is an interesting one, because it's not that I never took it seriously, it was just like I never decided like I was going to like dedicate myself to something. I was kind of like wishy-washy out there. I'm like, oh, I want to. Maybe I want to learn tarot, maybe I want to learn astrology, I don't know, maybe I'll learn all of it. And then when you asked me to do this podcast, it kind of just felt very solidifying, like I am going to learn astrology and we are going to do this together and I love it and.
Ember:I can't wait.
Jordan:No, I love that so much because I was thinking, like you know, when I when I had we talked about it before but when I had that feeling like I had to ask you to be on the podcast, you weren't like, like you didn't advertise yourself as someone who was, like, dedicated to astrology or anything. And I knew that you would like we had chatted a lot about it. I knew you had interest in it, but like it wasn't the thing you were known for or anything. But I did feel like you should be on this podcast.
Ember:Well, you also did my first real reading, jordan, like you? Yeah, so Jordan was practicing for her certification. Right, you had to do like a certain number of readings, is that yeah?
Jordan:I had to do Okay.
Ember:Yeah, so I had signed up through our container with Elise and that was supposed to be I don't know, I think it was supposed to be like maybe an hour. Jordan and I were 30 minutes. Yeah, for three hours.
Jordan:Yeah.
Ember:Like I think it was actually five, but yeah just the entire afternoon, but like it was so cool, I still have my notes from that reading. It's just pages and pages on my notability app of just. You were so open to me asking you questions and it's when I started realizing there's like so much more. So I obviously was learning from today and I love the way she teaches. It's so accessible. I think if there's very like key elements that make it, that works so well for my brain, especially when it comes to talking about the elements and incorporating those into interpretations of the chart. But I realized when you did that reading, there's like so much more to learn and so it made me so excited. And, yeah, you're right, I never, I would have never ever, considered myself like in a, in an astrologer, or even like a serious, like student of astrology. And look at you now I know now I'm, I'd be studying and spending six hours creating our sun yeah boat chart.
Ember:Um, no, it's already. I already feel like I've been learning so much. I felt like the first time you actually did a uh astroweather reading with us for that first episode, I was so lost, like I was like the first time you actually did a uh, astroweather reading with us for that first episode, I was so lost, like I was like I don't know what's happening and like, and now I can like keep up and answer on the fly instead of like prepping things ahead of time, which is really cool, Like I think that's really awesome, that's interesting.
Jordan:Yeah, because, um, a few people have said said too that, like you know, we keep saying, like our goal with this podcast is to keep it accessible, like we want to make sure that people can understand the language without us for lack of a better way of saying it, without us like bringing it down, without us like dumbing down the words, and that's because, like you know, the goal is to bring people up to this understanding.
Jordan:But we want to keep it interesting and accessible and understandable. And I do think, with these Asterweather segments, like sometimes like yes, they're going to be a little bit hard to follow, but one of the ways that I practice astrology I'm actually, you know, I wouldn't have the time to do this today, but at the time when I started, I was listening to Asterweather all time, just so I could like immerse in it. I like I wouldn't understand a lot of what was being said, but like I don't know, that's just kind of how I started picking things up and so, even if you're not fully understanding everything that's being said, like you will start to pick it up if you are interested in it, if you keep listening to it.
Ember:I totally feel that yeah.
Jordan:I also really relate to what you talked about with like once you kind of like peek behind the curtain of astrology, you see how much of it there is and it's so exciting, and I think that's kind of like the thing that made me like get really into it. I've said this not on the podcast before, but I have told this story to a lot of people before. But I was about like four months into my little spiritual journey and I'm someone who likes to like get into a skill and master that skill and then pretty much dedicate my life to that skill I was gonna say, move on, but like I don't, I it becomes my whole life. But when I got into spirituality I was trying to not do that. I was kind of like letting myself touch everything and get to know a bunch of different things. And after a few months it kind of felt uncomfortable, because I do really enjoy getting deep with stuff.
Jordan:It's a Scorpio and 8th house stuff in me and so I was in between astrology and working with herbs and I decided to go with astrology because I didn't have space or enough sunlight in my apartment for herbs. And then, secondly, I thought astrology would be cheaper. It is not I know that now, but at the time I thought it was going to be cheaper, and so that is how I chose astrology. And then I got so excited by how much stuff there was that I didn't know when I had decided to get into it. Now it's on that list of skills that have become my whole life.
Ember:I love that, and so I definitely really struggle with making decisions like that. I'm very much like on the fly. I'm just like, all right, here it is, this is where I go now. Even going to vet school, I literally like walked into a pre-vet club meeting.
Ember:I was a, I was in biochemistry in undergrad, like I was going to be a biochemistry major, and I remember when Brendan took biochemistry, I was going to be a biochemistry major and I remember when Brendan took biochem Real, I was going to like go down a patent attorney route, like I was going to be I was going to be a lawyer and like, yeah, I was all set on this. And then I walked into a pre-vet club meeting because my roommate was in pre-vet club and she was like you should come with me. And I was like, sure, whatever there's snacks. And I went and I was like, sure, whatever they're snacks. And I went and I was like, oh, actually I'm gonna be a veterinarian.
Ember:I walked out a changed woman. I did, but it's a lot of those decisions in life have very much been on the fly, like deciding where I was gonna do for my residency and and it's worked out so far, and I feel like this is kind of one of those things where it's like this opportunity presented itself to do this with you and it was like hell, yeah, like I'm going to learn. I'm going to. I'm going to delve into this, so I'm very, very grateful for that opportunity.
Jordan:Yeah, and I'm really excited that you're here. I keep we've said this so many times but just like the vibe that I wanted for this podcast was just not going to happen by myself and you and I talk about this all the time and a lot of people see it in us too but just the way you and I are balancing each other so well in this podcast, I think like we are making such a great show. I'm very excited.
Ember:I know I even we'll have to take a little video or a picture. I even love like the contrast in, like our lighting. Yours is so like bright, it's very like like monochrome, like the white and the black, and then, like mine, is just like pink. Yeah, but yeah. So, jordan, I'm curious. We talked about like your first reading for me. When did you first start reading charts for people and can you talk a little bit about the experience?
Jordan:Yeah, so I was doing Heather Alain's Cosmic Academy of Astrology and to get the certification you have to do 10 practice readings and um, I had been doing like fun little readings for everybody, like I had.
Jordan:Um, I would you know they'd send me their birth information and I would text them like blah blah um, but this was like my first um, but then so I think a lot of people were like gassing me up, like a lot of people were like this is a like the best reading I've ever had. Some people were like I've paid people for readings and it hasn't been this, this deep and this psychic feeling and I there was a bit of imposter syndrome feeling, because I was, I had these feelings of like I just feel like I said basic information, I didn't say anything that specific about your life and like I don't know that. That was kind of its own little rabbit hole. But then I started doing the practice readings for people for the class, and we have the option to do them as written readings and I knew I wanted to do them on video because I wanted to get that practice in, and it was a pretty good experience. I think, um, it was good to get an idea of, like, how I needed to pace things, um, to make things.
Jordan:I'm also like when I do a reading, when I um, when I'm getting a reading, I'm the type who, like, doesn't like to say much, like I like to sit back and take in 60 minutes of information that I paid for and I don't really want to give much for that and I've learned that you know that's not the way to do a reading. I've learned that through giving readings, that that's not the way to do the reading. But that's what I would do for a while. So I used to plan like 30 minutes of information. Yeah, I don't know, I guess with every reading I just get really excited Because I mean, so far, you know, knock on wood, nothing's gone wrong, yet Nothing too wrong, and people love it. So I don't know, I'm just kind of like, oh my God, should I keep doing this?
Ember:I don't know. Yeah, I mean, and you can book a reading with Jordan, right? Like, don't we? Yeah?
Jordan:Yeah.
Ember:So if you're interested, as somebody who received a reading from Jordan before a hundred percent she is incredible I will gas. Gas you up. Have you watched Ginny in?
Jordan:Georgia.
Ember:Oh, I watched a little bit of it, like a few episodes there's a whole like gas lighting versus gassing you up, which made me laugh. So anybody who watches Georgia will get that, um, but yeah, totally gassing you up on that, uh. And then so I I kind of am Jordan. You said, like how you prepare for readings, you sit back. So what is like who is your ideal client? Like how would they interact with you?
Jordan:I never thought about that.
Jordan:I guess you know they come excited because I'm excited. That's the interesting thing about that question is that I am not my own ideal client because again, and I've tried to be better about it and I have been but I used to just sit back and I'd be like I'm not telling you anything. I want you know, I want you to speak the whole 60 minutes. I wouldn't say that, but like that was kind of the the mindset I went into the readings with. So really the ideal client I think for any astrologer would probably tell you someone who interacts with you, someone who engages with it, someone who does want to tell you a little bit about their life, and then we can relate it back to the chart Someone who comes with questions, probably, especially if it's a return reading, if it's your first reading, you don't really need to come with questions.
Jordan:You never actually have to come with questions, but it's fun to be guided in the reading because you know typically I'll ask for what they want to hear ahead of time and then I will go on my own rabbit holes, making sure that I can answer that question in depth, and that's one of the ways that I've learned a lot too is like questions people have asked me and then I'm like now I've got to go figure this out, yeah, so yeah, the ideal client wants to talk and has questions.
Ember:No, I think that's really helpful for people who maybe have never had an astrology reading before, sort of like what to expect.
Ember:Because it is true, I think in the beginning, when I first started getting readings of any kind, including tarot or Oracle cards it is kind of like a nerve wracking experience at first, especially if you don't know what to expect.
Ember:But I agree, I think my best readings have always, you know, some people want to like sit there because they're skeptical and they just want to like see what you have to say, to see how accurate you are, and I have just found that, like A I get really uncomfortable with that, like when I'm sitting on the other side and I am.
Ember:When I can tell that they like want to engage with me, and then I'm just sitting there like I'm going to keep my mouth shut. I get very uncomfortable. But that's also because I always feel like I need to talk. I think that knowing that you can talk is also like really valid too, cause I think some people probably don't feel like like maybe feel like it is supposed to be just like receiving a bunch of information, but I think the more you share, whether it's an astrology reading or any sort of like divination reading, I think the more accurate they can be, because they're receiving some sort of message you're receiving information right and to be able to like take that information and integrate it in a way that's like specific for that person, I think those are like the best readings.
Jordan:Yeah, and going with that too, I feel like you know if you had an astrology reading and it didn't resonate with you or didn't go well, there are so many different ways and approaches and techniques that astrologers use, and so you know, if you're still interested, like, try a different astrologer and see if their methods work with you. And the thing with astrology too astrology is a divination, it's not a science. So the way that we engage with this language of astrology is going to be different, method to method, tradition to tradition, astrologer to astrologer, and so one message you might get from an astrologer might be different from another one and that one might resonate more with you. So try different astrologers if you are inclined and have the means to do so yeah, for sure.
Ember:Even if they're looking at the same exact thing right, they are looking at the same thing or even if they're looking at the same aspect of your chart, they are going to get different information from those connections and someone else might and interpret it differently, and that's why I think it's so cool.
Jordan:It's like therapy, where you have to like, try it is things, and that's the other thing too, the ethics of it. Almost there's a part of me that has wondered, like, should I get a psychology degree to do this? Because I just don't think I was like when I first started doing the practice readings which is why it's so good to do the practice readings but I just wasn't like prepared for how like dark some things can get.
Ember:That is one aspect of divination. I think it's important for anybody who is going to be doing readings for other people Make sure you have your own ways to like connect with people in a way that is going to be like nourishing and supportive for them, because I think the last thing you want to do is leave someone feeling like horribly terrible, and sometimes we do need to share hard information with somebody, and that is absolutely like something we should be doing. We shouldn't hide, we shouldn't lie whatever, but I do think being ready to support people when they're handling or receiving that information is also important. However, that looks like whether it's giving them some like almost like aftercare, right, like making sure you have your aftercare practices for your clients is like an important aspect.
Jordan:If you're like starting a divination pack that's such that's such good advice I'm going to, I'm going to sit on that, I'm going to think about an aftercare package because, yeah, that's great advice.
Ember:This is why you need to be doing things Well, thank you.
Ember:No, it's, it's in my mind, because we were just talking about we're.
Ember:We're kind of going on a little tangent here, um, unsurprisingly, but we were just talking about readings and I there was somebody, actually Elizabeth, who we talked about earlier in the episode Um, so, elizabeth, I was doing a reading for her a little while ago and I, in the reading, started going down a path of like what my intuition was telling me and it was not like the best thing to be saying to her, and I kind of turned it around to make it like much more positive than it actually was and what my intuition was telling me and she got it.
Ember:She was like. She was like Amber, no, like your first intuition, like your first hit is absolutely right, and that's exactly how I'm feeling right now and you need to just go with that instead of sugar, like sugarcoating things, and that has always stuck with me. And so what I've what I've kind of like started doing for readings is making sure that if there is really difficult information to share with somebody, I always ask the last card, like I'll always pull another card, and I will always say, like, how can we support so and so through this difficult process, or how can we support so and so during, you know, to help solve this problem something, and it is never once ended on like a negative note.
Ember:I don't know if that's just my interpretation of it or like, but it's been really helpful you got to start selling readings.
Jordan:And I'm curious um, with all that you have learned so far and getting into astrology, what has been your biggest misconception been your biggest misconception how easy it is to learn astrology right, it's so deep.
Ember:It's so deep and and there's like a whole vocabulary and language that I never knew. I was like, okay, we've got our zodiac signs and then I learned about houses and I learned about planets and I was like there we go. There's these little red and blue lines in my chart that I don't know what they mean. They're there for decoration, like I don't know. I mean it really truly is endless, and I think that is so cool and exciting, a little bit overwhelming. I thought that there would be just this like infinite, like I could. I could read and learn about astrology for a couple of months and be like I got this check and like that was it. But there's just so much so much.
Jordan:Yeah, definitely my biggest misconception was that it was I thought it was going to be cheaper, um, but then, going back to what we talked about too, my biggest misconception being because I am maybe I can say, was now, but I was that person who would go into a reading with like a prove it to me aspect or attitude, um, and you know, in a polite way, like there was no part of me that was like you're wrong, um, but I, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't convinced of anything.
Jordan:I'm still not, I'm still skeptic about everything and I think that's fine and healthy and all that, but I think it meant I couldn't get as much from the reading. And I know that now because I've I've done, I've given readings, but if I'm not engaging, you know, if I'm not giving my energy to the person too, it's difficult for them to give me their energy back as well. So my, my misconception being that I thought astrology would be able to like write out a very specific story, like I thought I could say this happened to you on this exact date, and it's not like that. It's so much more general, and then you have to apply it to your own life, and I think that was my misconception. And then going back to like astrology is a divination, and so for the astrologer to work their intuitive magic that they have practiced, you do have to give them some information and then they can take that and they can, they can work with that information. But unfortunately you can't just sit there in silence for 60 minutes.
Ember:And I mean, I guess you can like, I think I did so yeah, you know, it's like you get what you pay for, right, like you can absolutely sit there and receive information. But, like we already talked about, it's just, I agree, it's not going to be the same. Like I think developing a rapport with the person, connecting and doing doing the divining, doing the divination you know is, is going to make that reading so much more powerful. Yeah, that totally makes sense and I think, like what you said about astrology being cheaper, that's so funny. I, I think can be. I think, if you're not you and me who like like to learn, so Jordan and I joke because we literally will like find different programs and be like, oh, have you done this? Have you learned from this person? What do you think of this person? Should I pay for their one-on-one?
Jordan:Should I buy?
Ember:everything that they have.
Jordan:It's so true, I listen to the trailer of their podcast. I love it. I'm going to buy everything that they sell.
Ember:I mean, you know, what's really crazy, though, is like that is how I've gotten where I am. Like I think that my, my spirituality and how we met you know, like everything happens for a reason I that is absolutely part of that transformation we talked about at the beginning of the episode just really comes from taking that quantum leap and like dedicating the resources, because I don't think that if I didn't dedicate the like monetary resources for some of these things, I don't think I ever would have committed in the same way.
Jordan:Yeah, I agree, I think the first time that I had reached out for a spiritual mentor, it was because I was kind of like I want a little bit of accountability, because it's totally fine to do it on your own and there's literally nothing wrong with that. But I wanted someone who was going to kind of keep me on a bit of like a goal path, a bit of like a they're watching out for my trajectory kind of thing and they are invested in my growth. I think is a good way to say it.
Ember:Yeah, I, I think that's awesome.
Jordan:So for the last question that we're going to talk about, I've obviously talked a bit about how I come to everything with quite the skeptic logical mindset. So, amber, I'm curious when you got into astrology did you come to it with any kind of resistance or skepticism, and where are you now with that?
Ember:Honestly no. So I am like diving. You know what's actually now that I'm thinking about it? So I definitely like dive first and I'm like an all believer in my, in the witchcraft. I mean, sometimes I think something I can have a little bit of skepticism or resistance around is like astro travel and like when I'm really yeah and I have like experiences, I'm like is this real? Did I just make this up in my head?
Jordan:oh, I thought you meant like it was like a thing you didn't believe in. I was like that's where you drew your line.
Ember:Oh no no, I mean, I believe it's possible. I just like have a hard time believing that I can do it Like that. I am talented and skilled enough to be able to astro travel. Um, I really struggle with that. So that is so abstract to me that the thing with astrology is it is so in my brain like concrete in the sense that, like this is the natal chart, this is what you're looking out of, this is what you're divining out like from, and I think that's so cool and that there's literally like like these planets are actively moving. This is happening in like a physical realm. That I think is just beyond cool and we're able to take that. And this has been a tool that's been used for centuries and centuries. So it almost I know you said like astrology is not a science, but it feels like it's more on the science-y side of things versus sometimes those more abstract concepts that I also really love, but I have a harder time accepting that. I'm like good enough for that, yeah.
Jordan:That's interesting, um, I with, because I also went into it not thinking that it was a science, but like hoping that it would be, like hoping that it could be a science.
Jordan:And I sometimes go back and forth I will call it the art of astrology and the science of astrology, because I don't, you know, like with our current empirical system, with science, like it's not going to be proven and that's fine, but I don't think it's so far from science that it can't be science-ish or science-like. And I, going back to like how I got into astrology too, I the thing that I really liked about it was, like you said, it's concrete and I am still trying to figure out my intuition and like what things feel like. And so I got into astrology thinking like I don't need to use intuition for this, so I'll be good at it. And and I was really surprised at like how much like like yes, you can, you can, you can memorize the facts and you can divine with that, divinate, divine or divinate, divinate, I have no idea divine with that, divinate, divine or divinate, divinate.
Jordan:I have no idea. I just keep saying you divine. I think it might be divinate, I don't know, but you divinate with that. Oh, what was I saying?
Ember:Someone tell us in the comments, because I literally have no idea.
Jordan:But yeah, so you can get information from that, and then you can absolutely get information from that, and then you can. You can absolutely get information from that. But it's the the using your intuition that's going to bring you to the next level and it's also what's going to make kind of make each astrologer different from the next, because they all come to it with different skills and backgrounds and stuff like that, and so they might have learned from the same kind of traditions. And I think the interesting thing with astrology too, it is very old, but a lot of our techniques and stuff are not that old um, a lot of things have been revived, um, especially with like hellenistic astrology. A lot of the techniques with hellenistic astrology were revived in the 90s, um, and are still being researched and kind of understood today.
Jordan:I think that's a thing of it being like a living science, like it is still coming out, we're still learning about it, and then it is a divination in the same way. Someone once said that like astrology is like tarot in that, because some people Amber, I know you like to read with the asteroids and a bunch of different points and some people just like to read with the traditional planets, and neither is right or wrong, but the person who had told me this, they likened it to reading tarot. So some people like to read with a one-card spread or a three-card spread and some people like the ten-card spread, and neither is more right or more wrong, but it's how you choose to engage with it and it's how you divinate from whatever you're using Divine for.
Ember:Houston Divine. No, I think that's really interesting because, as you were describing it, the art of astrology and the science of astrology. That is how I look at medicine, right, like it's the art of veterinary medicine, the science of veterinary medicine it is. We always say medicine is an art, it's an art form. There's sometimes there's like 25 different ways to treat the same thing and doctors are going to have different strategies, different plans. You could give a doctor the same scenario and they may all treat it differently, and so it really is an art and a lot of that does. Sometimes. You know, if you don't have all the facts in front of you, then it is sort of an intuitive guide based on experience, knowledge and just you know the situation in front of you. It's really crazy to me use that language, because that is so accurately true for what I do in like my daytime life to likening that to astrology and what we're doing there as well.
Jordan:And that made me think of something too, because I, you know, I've never thought of medicine as an art. I definitely kind of saw it as a concrete science. But you know, you make that good point of like it's who you're with, it's what they know, it's based off of their background. And something I learned kind of recently and have been reflecting on is how new and kind of radical atheism is. And I said this earlier that like I was atheist for the majority of my life and like a very like hardcore, like nothing is real if it can't be proven. But that's like a relatively new train of thought.
Jordan:And I read that this actually kind of started with Isaac Newton and his discovery of gravity and how the world can work mathematically. And that discovery not that it happened like that instant, but that discovery led to, obviously, the enlightenment and then led to people like an understanding that maybe things aren't divine. And I say that to say like before that moment I'm going to say almost almost everybody thought everything was divine. And it's not until these past couple centuries, and then, honestly, the past few decades, that people are considering atheism, atheism, atheism, atheism oh my gosh, words are hard, I know I'm thinking like is mercury in its shadow right now.
Ember:Um, that is pretty profound, especially because I think that also led to I mean, that whole time period kind of goes into like the loss of spirituality, like as we start to move more towards like a science-based idea and practice, right. Like we're kind of in like a resurgence of spirituality and we're not talking Jordan and I, are not talking religion, right, we're talking about spirituality, the connection to something greater than ourselves. So like I think that's a pretty important thing to note that like there is this blend of like monotheistic religions out there that have been present there around, but I mean, when you start to look at numbers in those spaces, like they're starting to decrease and they're sort of this emergence, all this emergence of the spirituality and people who maybe have been religious in the past moving towards a more like greater than themselves but less like strict following of like a religious path situation.
Jordan:So I don't know, this is the last thing that makes me think of, too, is pluto and sagittarius. Um, and we speak of Pluto, like in generations, in our birth chart. And do you remember where Pluto is off the top of your head, is it Scorpio?
Jordan:or Sagittarius so I'm part of, like the generation that has Pluto in Sagittarius and I was reading a bit about like what this can mean and you know it's one of those things that we will look back on and reflect more on.
Jordan:So it's not like we have all the information now. But one thing people have pinpointed Sagittarius is like the religious person. Sagittarius is about religious beliefs and your religion and all other things you know adventuring and all that. But something that has been noted with the Pluto and Sagittarius generation is that this generation has the most atheists, has the most people who are considering that there isn't something divine, has the most atheists, has the most people who are considering that there isn't something divine. Um, and some people have said that that there's two push, there's two like a swinging pendulum. Uh, in this generation of some people are ultra religious, ultra religious and ultra spiritual and some people believe in absolutely nothing. And then you mentioned, um, kind of new spiritualities and stuff and I think, talking about today, that goes back to what we've talked about before with Neptune in Aries and how I believe that this is going to be another new age movement. I love that.
Ember:I love that Jordan.
Jordan:I've loved this conversation. I know I'm so glad we got to do it, because we have these talks all the time and we always say, like we got to shut up, we got to put this on the podcast and like finally we got the chance to do that.
Ember:I know I'm really, I'm really grateful and we hope that you enjoyed this too. I know this is like a little bit different than what we've been producing, but we hope you enjoy it. Let us know we have some ideas for some other shows in the future, but would love to know your guys' thoughts.
Jordan:Yeah, and join us on our free Patreon and tell us all about you too. We want you to be a part of this conversation and we want to learn just as much about you.
Ember:Absolutely. You ready to tag out of here, jordan? Absolutely. Thank you so much for being here in the study room with us. We really enjoyed this conversation and hope you did too. We really wanted to like break up some of the more hefty academic episodes with these fun other soads, so we hope you had just as much fun as we did.
Jordan:Yeah, and of course, if you're like me and you enjoy those hefty academic episodes and you would like to go a little bit deeper into the studies, don't forget that we post journal prompts, rituals and guides to what we talk about over on our free Patreon. It is linked in the show notes.
Ember:Next time we'll be diving more into the planets themselves and start our planetary journey with Mercury, which we are really excited for. So, like I mentioned earlier, I was born in a Mercury retrograde and sometimes I actually just have trouble connecting with Mercury in general. So I think this will be a good episode for me to like embrace Mercury.
Jordan:Yeah, and we are definitely going to dive deep into Mercury, following the same general format that we did with the sun and the moon. So you will learn about Mercury's key themes, archetypes, correlations, and we'll tell stories about mercurial themes in media that we all know and love, like we did with the sun and the moon. So thank you all for listening to our show and, as always, this podcast is my practice of asking big questions, uncovering the hidden truths and creating an accessible space for others to do the same.
Ember:And I'm so grateful to be learning alongside Jordan and all of you, sharing our resources and diving into what it means to connect with the cosmos. Thank you so much for being part of this and we'll see you back in the study room every other Tuesday. Thank you.