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#10 - Saturn: Daddy, Meet Ned Stark
What if the “hard planet” is actually your most devoted ally? We dive into Saturn with clear eyes and open notebooks, swapping the villain edit for a grounded, usable map of structure, time, boundaries, and the kind of mastery that makes joy sustainable. We start with the week’s astroweather (Mercury–Mars sharpening words in Scorpio and a Venus–Moon balm in Libra, then pivot into a Libra new moon reset for connection, beauty, and balance). From there, we trace Saturn’s core themes: delayed gratification, boundaries, and fear.
We get practical. You’ll hear how Saturn shows up in the body, in materials, in plants, in crystals, in tarot, and in rituals you can start tonight. We also tackle the essential dignities: Saturn at home in Capricorn and Aquarius, exalted in Libra, challenged in Cancer/Leo, and in fall in Aries, plus a candid chart moment on Saturn at 29° Aquarius in the 5th and what it means to take joy seriously.
Big picture meets the everyday. We compare Saturn’s 29.5-year cycle to the Moon’s monthly rhythm, explore how ingresses mark societal shifts, and reframe “slow” as the speed of things that last. We close with three reflection prompts and a time audit you can repeat quarterly to build a life that can hold what you’re asking for. If this conversation steadied your mind or softened your resistance to structure, subscribe, send it to a friend who loves the long game, and leave a review, then tell us: where will you add one supportive boundary this week?
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Hey Star students, welcome back to the Astro Study Room. I'm Ember Fay, your friendly neighborhood Fire Fairy Witch.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm Jordan, a university librarian by day and a dedicated astrology student by night. And yes, welcome to the Astro Study Room. Our goal for this podcast, as always, is to feel like we're all just students meeting up after class to go over our notes together. So bring your notes, your water, all your pens and highlighters, and every other Tuesday, we will be exploring core astrology topics, breaking them down, and just chatting about how these concepts show up in our real lives and reflect on what wisdom the stars have to share with us. If you enjoy this episode, I hope you will consider subscribing and leaving us a review to help us grow this little cohort of astrology students. Jordan, do you consider yourself a witch?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:This is not the next line in the script.
SPEAKER_02:I'm Ember Fay, your friendly neighborhood Fire Fairy Witch. And I know we've talked about this before where you're like, and you're like, and I'm Jordan.
SPEAKER_01:That was a really funny one. If you go back, it was probably our first or second episode. But yeah, Ember has this whole spiel that she's had since day one. And I didn't notice it. Like neither of us noticed it when we were speaking it out loud. But when I was editing it, it was her and her little spiel. And then it was like, and I'm Jordan. Welcome to our podcast.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know why that came in my brain, but I was thinking about it. And then I I was as you were talking, I was like reading it. And I was like, oh, she doesn't talk about like her spirituality or witchcraft or anything in her intro.
SPEAKER_01:And so Yeah, I guess um, you know, I think part of that is when I first had the idea for this podcast, it wasn't meant to be spiritual. And then when you came into it, obviously I knew that that was gonna bleed into it and was happy that that was gonna happen. But I guess that was never the side of me that I intended to bring, I guess. I don't know, like it's still a part of me, so I bring it everywhere, but it's not I guess like I wanted to highlight my academic side.
SPEAKER_04:No, I love that because we've talked about before how it's definitely like a balance between the two of us. Um, but then I was just like, wait, does Jordan like call herself? Does she use the label witch? And not that like, I mean, we can get I usually say witchy.
SPEAKER_01:Like if you like you ask me if I'm a witch, and I do say yes. If I were to describe myself, I would say witchy. But I think that's more of like a I don't really care about a label kind of thing. I'm not turned off by the word witch. I'm happy to confirm that I am a witch.
SPEAKER_04:Embrace the title. I've I okay, this is so going down a wrap, like a side note, but I was um in one of Tinae Stewart's conferences that she was doing, The Witch of Loop and Hollow. Um, and it was the most recent one about shadow work, and she did a whole presentation about the astrology and archetypes and reclaiming shadows, specifically labels. And I just finished listening to this yesterday. So each each sign kind of had a label associated with it, right? That could be considered like triggering for some people. So, like, and it was very like stereotyped. This is like the archetype, great. Like Aries was the bitch, like Cancer was the crybaby.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, tell me.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, Libra was like the gold digger, slash, like what me and Tanae were talking about afterwards. Like, princess has been a label that's been used for me before, and it used to be really triggering for me, and now I've kind of reclaimed that and I love it. I'm like, fuck yeah, I'm a princess. But the score uh, what was Gemini? Yeah, Gemini and Taurus too, and then Scorpio. Gemini was the tease and Taurus, I think was like the lazy, like the lazy, yeah. And Scorpio was the witch, and so I was thinking about that, and that is how I got here in my brain about you calling yourself a witch or not, and if there was any like around that. Well, welcome to episode 10, everyone. We're just diving right in where we're actually not talking about archetypes, we're going well, we will be talking about archetypes, but archetypes.
SPEAKER_01:We have a long spiel about archetypes today.
SPEAKER_04:Archetypes specifically related to our greater malefic Saturn. So, Jordan, dun dun dun. How are you feeling about this episode?
SPEAKER_01:I'm interested. I'm excited to see what comes up. I've talked about before that, like right now, Saturn is my time lord, and so I've been spending more time watching Saturn and thinking about Saturn. So I'm excited to one talk about just like the things that I've come across and seeing what else comes up. What's your relationship with Saturn?
SPEAKER_04:I love how you're like, I'm interested.
unknown:I'm intrigued.
SPEAKER_04:I'm intrigued. I want to talk about it today. No, I was pretty excited to talk about Saturn, mostly because of where Saturn sits in my chart and learning more about what that means and sharing it with all of you. I also love like bad things. I'm a bad girl.
SPEAKER_01:Um I want daddy Saturn to punish me.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my gosh. But like actually.
SPEAKER_01:No, but for real, I know that's exactly what you want.
SPEAKER_02:Then I also think I literally have called it daddy Saturn.
SPEAKER_04:Anyway, so we're gonna get there. So yeah, no, I'm excited to I think it's really important when we put context around things that are always just considered negative. Uh, I think we do a really good job in this episode about talking about the pros and cons of working with Saturn, where it can show up in in a way that can actually help us. And so I'm really excited to talk more about that.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's interesting too, because I haven't figured out exactly where I fall as far as like traditional astrology and modern astrology. And just to quickly say, like, traditional astrology is a lot more fatalistic, it's a lot more this is bad and it is just bad, and this is good and it is just good. Uh, whereas modern astrology is a lot more, there's way more nuance and it's a lot less predictive and it's more about psychology and everything. And I don't totally vibe with that with astrology completely, but I also don't like the fatalism of traditional astrology, so I'm still figuring out where I fall with that. But also, as you all may know by now, we do have donation tiers on Patreon. And if you feel so called to, we would be honored to have your support. We have some fun and affordable donation tiers to help you stay connected and support the magics behind the mic. As always, no pressure at all since we are just here to make this content as accessible as we can to our listeners.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, everyone is always encouraged to join us for the free astrology content because we hope to make this space available and accessible to as many people as possible. And Jordan, do you want to talk about your reading offers?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so I have been considering if I want to like get a website going, I'm at the beginning stages of like thinking about that. Uh, but as of right now, you can DM us on Instagram at the Astro Study Room, or you can email us theastrostudyroom at gmail.com, or you can email me, your witchy librarian at gmail.com, for a reading. I do natal chart readings for one hour and 30 minutes and then also solo return readings. And Ember, we're getting closer to Salwin. So tell us how things have been cooking for you.
SPEAKER_04:I am almost done making my quiz that I will be offering to everyone. And I am working on for Ember Faye Magic, a newsletter that I hope to send out. My goal was monthly, and then my my mentor was like, but maybe we should try bi-monthly. And I'm like, okay. So you know, we're gonna push it on this Aries full moon.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, like twice a month. I thought it was like every other month. I was like, huh.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Wait, bi so bi weekly, I guess. Oh, what did I say? Yeah, bi monthly.
SPEAKER_02:Bi weekly.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, no, you're right. Bi weekly. I'm still so just as a heads up, y'all. I'm like recovering from a pretty icky cold, I guess. So yeah, my brain and my voice are a little off. So if my voice annoyed you before, I'm sorry because it doesn't sound any better right now. But yes, I'm really, really excited. I've been working on kind of like a logo, and um, I hope to my have my website up at the end of the month as sort of like an educational content area. And if you and if you follow us on Instagram, you may see I do cross-post a lot. Um, just because some of what my content is on Instagram does sort of like match up and relate to what we're talking about here. So yeah, keep an eye out for that.
SPEAKER_00:I'm so excited. I can't wait to take the quiz. You'll be one of my guinea pigs.
SPEAKER_04:As you know, we love words of affirmation. Please let us know how we're doing. Let us know what you want to see, give us feedback on how we can help you learn. We are both students ourselves. We definitely don't know everything, and we'll be totally upfront with that. We're learning here together in this little Astro study room, and that's why it's so special to us.
SPEAKER_01:So, buckle up, star students. Class is officially out, and the study room is in session.
SPEAKER_04:All right, Jordan, you want to kick us off with our current astro weather here for October 7th to the 20th?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so Mercury is in Scorpio with Mars now and coming into a conjunction that goes exact on October 19th. To me, this makes me think of Mars's action and motivation and passion mixed with Mercury's communication and mind, mixed with Scorpio's nature of intensity and transformation. We might notice a sharper edge in journalism during this time, and what I'm really excited for is some kind of potential whistleblower. And I think Chris Brennan talked about this on his podcast, um, the Astrology Podcast is what it's called. But Scorpio is a very secretive sign, and Mars is a planet of conflict, and Mercury is a spread of information, which I do agree. I think that screams whistleblower, and I'm kind of excited. So we might see some secrets being revealed this month, and I think I would also caution people to be extra careful online, honestly, all the time, but I think Mars and Mercury together could also indicate cyber attacks.
SPEAKER_04:Ooh, that's a little scary, but also very exciting because maybe some files will be released.
SPEAKER_01:Wink, wink, wink. And individually look to see where you have Scorpio in your chart and also check to see if there are any aspects happening to this conjunction. So if you have any planets or angles in Scorpio, you will be experiencing this as a conjunction. If you have any planets or angles in what other water signs, like Cancer or Pisces, you will be experiencing this as a beneficial trine. If you have any planets or angles in other fixed signs, Taurus, Leo, and Aquarius, you may experience this as a challenging square. But in general, Mars and Mercury aspects indicate a need to be mindful of your words and be careful not to blow up on people or say things that you don't mean. But on the other hand, this can be a time to say what you've been needing to say, even if it isn't pretty. And I would say take this aspect and channel it into something that benefits you in the long run. Do you have something in your life you have been working towards? Take this as a time to dive into the research side of it and learn more. Or maybe this is a time to start telling people about a secret project you have been contributing to behind the scenes.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my god, that's so funny because I definitely meant to talk about my quiz release here. But you know, guys, we don't always stay on script.
SPEAKER_01:Plug it again, quiz. What's the quiz gonna be? Tell us the title of it.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so this is the first time I'm actually talking about this in my public space. This quiz is going to be a quiz that should tell you what is holding you back from your sensual magic. So I have been working on a few different archetypes. Um, essentially, it's to see what is holding you back from your own pleasure, your own desire, and really the things that I think are like so important to our magic and to knowing who we are, our creativity, our fire. And so there will be five different archetypes. I'm really excited for it. I hope to eventually build like my content around those archetypes. And yeah, so that's it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm so excited to take this quiz. And I think this is coming to me now, but I think we are probably gonna have to do another sode where we dive into sensuality in the chart because I know that's something that you've been studying. So I would love to ask you tons of questions about that for this podcast.
SPEAKER_04:I love that. No, that would be so great, I think. Yeah, I I hope I don't disappoint you. You'll you'll be one of my game because you have to give me feedback.
SPEAKER_01:No, I think it's gonna be great. You've I mean you've shown me um, I think the first archetype that you wrote, and I thought it was brilliant.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you, Jordan.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and so very quickly, because today's episode is Saturn, and because Saturn is my time lord, I have been keeping a very watchful eye on Saturn, but I just wanted to remind everyone that Saturn is still retrograde in Pisces and will station direct at 25 degrees on November 28th. And then the last thing I want to talk about, which will actually transition us very nicely to our new moon conversation, is that on the same day Mercury and Mars have their exact conjunction, so do Venus and the Moon in the sign of Libra, just a couple days before the new moon. And what I really love about this is we are seeing our two night planets, Mars and Venus, in their home signs. The moon represents the public and can tell us a bit about how the public is feeling as well. And with Venus and the Moon conjunct, this can soothe whatever is coming up with Mercury and Mars. And I think this may help people who are feeling particularly spicy with their words, and this would also be a great day to just recognize and participate in something beautiful. So does that mean it would make them more spicy or less spicy? Honestly, that's kind of one of those things that I would look at your chart, and I we're probably gonna see all of it because again, I think I think if it's hitting an angle, it's gonna feel spicy. And it depends on like which conjunction is hitting you. Um, but I think it's just gonna kind of help. I mentioned earlier, like this may bring up maybe you'll maybe you'll finally feel ready to say the harsh things that you've needed to get off your chest. I think this will kind of support that need to get the harsh things out that you can't you can't just hide them away. Like some things just have to be harsh, I guess.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Do you think Venus will like soften it though? Like make it a little bit like it'll be you'll say it, but like say it in a way that's constructive, or just like it's gonna be rough.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's a choose your own adventure. Okay. I think people will have a little bit of a different experience seeing it, depending on how it's hitting their chart. So, yeah, so with participating in something beautiful, this can be like watching a video essay on an art piece from history, go out with a group of friends and socialize. I also kind of think that if you have been in any kind of argument with someone, this day specifically, October 19th, may be the perfect day to work it out together. I think Mercury and Mars together will encourage people to stand their ground and speak their mind while Venus and the moon add a softer, compassionate tone, like we were talking about. And I think together these and I think together these people might be able to work towards a compromise.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, I'll make sure I add that day to my chart and talk to anybody who's pissed me off recently.
SPEAKER_01:Hey you we're talking today.
SPEAKER_02:It's a good day astrologically the hash is out, okay?
SPEAKER_01:Like, um, all right. So tell us about the new moon.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so moving us on to some local weather. I don't really have a ton for us today, but we do have our new moon on October 21st at 8:25 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. And this new moon is in my little rising sign of balance, which is Libra. And Libra is all about beauty and connection. And as we've talked about, she be ruled by Venus. And so new moon, always think about like a fresh start, right? Well, this new moon attention can be all about pressing reset on things like relationships. So as Jordan mentioned, maybe it is a good time to sort of like talk about some of that stuff, your beauty rituals or even your relationship with self and self-worth. So, you know, bringing in some of that Venusian energy and really examining how these energies are serving you now. And if they need, you know, that little refresh button on the drying machine, get it all like fluffed up and warm and cozy again. You can also be thinking about where you may need more balance in your life around those things. So, have you been working too much? I'm like talking about myself right now. Jordan, I know you've been feeling the slog a little bit. Maybe you're not feeling it right now and you need a break. And so, this new moon is the perfect time to check in and ask yourself like, where am I giving too much and where am I holding back? So, like, let this new moon guide you, babes. Libra is a beautiful sign.
SPEAKER_01:Personally a favorite. And yeah, I love how you bring up which planet is ruling the new moon. So Venus is the host of this new moon, right? And in astrology, we call this the dispositor. So Venus is the dispositor of this new moon. To reiterate again, essentially, Venus is hosting this new moon. And I like to look and see how our dispositor is feeling and behaving to learn more about the illuminations as they come as well. And like we talked about earlier, Venus is also in domicile in Libra, which we love to see during this new moon. And I think this implies an easy and smooth new moon. Mercury will be separating from Mars in Scorpio at this point, but still conjunct, and the new moon is also squaring Jupiter and Cancer. I don't feel too worried about this, since Jupiter is Jupiter and is also exalted in Cancer, but I guess be aware of things feeling bigger than they are, or things that feel like they might not be a big deal anymore, suddenly getting magnified again. But again, I think this could be a good time to get all your feelings and thoughts out there and have a really productive conversation with people.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I agree. I think that Libra energy just supporting there and just being about like balance and relationship expression could be super helpful here. Jordan, when I say like ruled by, that's the dispositor, right? What does the dispositor rule? Is that like the right lingo? Yeah, yeah. Okay, cool, cool. All right, y'all, you ready to jump into our main segment, Jordan?
SPEAKER_01:All right, let's get into it. Ember, tell us all about Saturn's key themes.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so this malefic planet. Okay, I want to start off by saying, like, Saturn isn't here to steal your joy and happiness, okay? Saturn is about making you strong enough to hold your happiness. Saturn literally has rings around it to bring structure and hold everything together, right? Like Saturn with the rings, it's such a pretty planet. These rings around Saturn and Saturn itself can really like put pressure on setting the boundaries and structures around the why and why not. Like what's worth your time and devotion? What is the limit and what boundaries are we needing to push or restructure or work towards to maintain our integrity, receive delayed gratification? This is hard stuff, but it's so necessary. Especially when, like last week you compare it to our benefic, loving Jupiter. This is like, you know, very much like la di-da, expand and grow and we love everything, while Saturn is like, no, we're strict and limited. And it's like, you know, that quote that's like no great achiever ever succeeded without hard work. Like, sure, you can sit around and wait for positive things to happen, but Saturn is here to just be like, hey, you can get yourself where you need to be, you have the power, you just need to work for it. I really feel like it's like that energy that that is supporting you in moving uh it's different than like moving forward, like a Mars energy. It's giving you the structure you need to do the hard things. I don't know. Any thoughts on that, Jordan? Before I move on to like our little index card notes or you know, I'm curious.
SPEAKER_01:I know that this isn't something that you have been taught with. I don't think you have, but do you like do you have any any take on essential dignities?
SPEAKER_04:No.
SPEAKER_01:Like, what do you mean? I guess like what are your immediate thoughts about a planet being in fall?
SPEAKER_04:Like, do you I don't know the right word, accept or validate that like I think we've talked about this a little bit where I don't think I've studied it enough to really like pick out nuanced differences. My thought is that if something is in fall versus something that is like exalted, right? It just kind of makes it a little bit trickier to access that energy in, I don't want to say like I think it's like the positive ways, like it just makes it trickier to kind of like really define like what that energy can mean for you. I don't have like a lot of thoughts on this yet, but if we talked about it in the future, I can think about it and give back to you.
SPEAKER_01:I thought about it because you obviously Saturn is structures, but or support you were talking about how Saturn does still support you. And I believe like a pure like traditional astrologer would look at Saturn and fall and plainly say Saturn does not support you. So I was wondering, I I don't know. I guess I figured you probably hadn't had full-blown thoughts on it because I know it's something that you haven't been formally taught, but I was just curious if I have Saturn and fall.
SPEAKER_04:So yeah, I think no, I think I guess what I'm trying to say is that like when a planet is in fall, right? We can see that. So we are aware of it. And I think it makes it almost, I don't know, it makes it almost like more mindful, I guess, that like you're thinking about that planet and trying to like understand its function.
SPEAKER_01:I'm also curious, are you saying that like, you know, you become aware of your birth chart and therefore you can enact more of your birth chart?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like basically I think it's just it's there and you need to be more conscious of it and that actually like those weaknesses you now can like recognize them as a weakness and be able to like work towards using the support of Saturn, right? And the energy of Saturn to kind of like conquer those more like hidden potential areas of like wisdom or development.
SPEAKER_01:I'll be curious when we do get to the essential dignities to hear uh to hear your thoughts on Saturn in Exaltation and Fall. The other thing I wanted to mention too is that traditionally Saturn also is well known for ruling karma and death. And this is something that I've been learning a bit more about, especially because again, I've been paying a lot of attention to Saturn. As we have the modern planets now, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, a lot of the things that were assigned to the traditional planets have been moved to modern planets, and death is one of those. A lot of modern astrologers put death on Pluto instead of Saturn. Um, and I don't know if karma, I don't know how long the lunar nodes have been in play in astrology. I believe lunar nodes are are bigger in Vedic astrology, and so I do think that it's still pretty ancient. Today we largely look at the lunar nodes for karma, but traditionally Saturn was a big part of karma as well. And I I still use, I think I still use Saturn as death in karma.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I haven't given a lot of thought as to the differences between the modern and traditional rulers and where I fall along those lines. I have no idea. So I can't really speak to that that much. Besides, I'm always somebody, I guess, again, more Libra energy, that it's like gotta be like there's some, there's an in-between, right? Like maybe it's a little bit of both, like there's a balance there.
SPEAKER_01:A lot of, yeah, a lot of astrologers do kind of subscribe to a co-rulership. Yeah, I think I would, I think I would fall there. I this is a different conversation than where I was going with that. But I I I haven't quite figured it out because I do think when looking at a birth chart and looking at your chart ruler, I don't I don't look at them as co-rulers. I do only look at the traditional planet, but it's interesting to explore.
SPEAKER_04:And as we explore, we're gonna start with our key themes of Saturn. So I'll be interested to see where these hit for you, Jordan, because I think I do talk a little bit about like that karmic energy here. Get out your uh notepads, your pens, your index cards, and we'll talk about some key themes.
SPEAKER_01:You know what's really interesting is how I might take this out. We'll see how it lands. The vibe of the episode today is not bad by any means. I'm enjoying this, but it's a lot more serious, like Saturn. I just think that's interesting. Yeah. Did you pick up on that too? Yeah. I mean, we like last week we were or last time we were so giggly and it was Jupiter. Yeah, we were all like, like, you know, we were having a jolly good time with Jupiter, and now we're like, okay, we're talking about death and karma and hard things today.
SPEAKER_00:So I think that's interesting. I think you should leave that in because I want to see if people agree with that.
SPEAKER_04:Like, do they sound yeah?
SPEAKER_01:Are you picking up the vibe that we're picking up?
SPEAKER_04:Okay, the first thing I want to talk about with Saturn is structures and boundaries. So Saturn is where you look in the chart to see where you may be building or maybe need to be building healthy boundaries. Two is time or like maturity. And this made me think of shout out to Grandpa Saturn. If you've been listening to our episodes, you know who grandpa Saturn is from previous episodes. But I think this can represent where you may feel a bit blocked or where things may be stifled and that actually need like time to mature and grow, and basically like time to master those things. So this is where Jordan karma comes in. I feel like like karma and lesson. So karma is in the turn in the term of like lessons that you can learn that Saturn really has the ability to show us these like repeated heavy lessons, basically until the point where we like have to face them.
SPEAKER_01:And yeah, and I think it's interesting because Saturn, the one of the things that Saturn is well known for is that it doesn't let you learn anything the easy way. Like Saturn is the lessons that we have to learn the hard way.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I really like that. And so it's interesting too when we're talking about Saturn in fall. Maybe you are just knowing that you need to like support yourself with those hard lessons, right? That like Saturn is gonna be there. It's gonna mean that like maybe this area in your chart you know is going to be difficult. And so, like seeking out extra support in those areas may be something that like you know you have to do. The next term I have is authority or responsibility. I don't love those words, but Saturn is asking us where we're stepping into authority and where we can grow, limits and fears. So Saturn can show you insecurities or where you may be experiencing energetic blocks, and finally, discipline and mastery. So all of this essentially tying together to represent where you need your consistent devotion, your self-discipline, embracing the challenges, and that eventually with this work, you'll end up feeling maybe some delayed gratification from all the time and energy that you've exuded. So that's where I'm at, Jordan. How would you add anything else?
SPEAKER_01:I don't think so. I think I think the only thing I can think of, because you talked about maturity, and I just want to more explicitly say that Saturn also rules aging and elderly people. Oh, okay. Sweet.
SPEAKER_04:That was a good job. All right, Jordan, tell us about Saturn and the body connections.
SPEAKER_01:All right, so I feel like Saturn is kind of weirdly well known for some of the body parts it rules. So Saturn rules bones and joints. I'm a little bit surprised that joints aren't ruled by Venus or Mercury.
SPEAKER_04:I was curious about that. Like, was there so for me it totally makes sense because joints like limit your movement? Um right, like your joints kind of are like where your bone meets and it can stay in that area. It's very limited, it's so your arm, your shoulder doesn't just like floop out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I was thinking like they're the connectors.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01:That's interesting. That because that that totally, I think they both made sense, but yeah, I hadn't thought of yours that one at all. But that that works. Saturn also rules teeth, which as we know are bones. Saturn rules skin and nails and hair. I'm sure we talked about this back in our Venus episode. Venus rules the aesthetic of the appearance of our skin, nails, and hair, while Saturn rules the health of our skin, nails, and hair. These things act as the barriers to the sensitive parts of our body, which is where Saturn comes in as the protective barrier. Saturn rules ossification, which is bone formation, right? Yes. And calcification.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that's so that yeah, that makes sense. The creation of bone.
SPEAKER_01:Cool. And Saturn also rules the health and function of the gallbladder. And I know we like we didn't understand a lot of Jupiter's when it came to around this part of the anatomy, the gallbladder.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, did you look up like why the gallbladder? Because the only thing I could think of is that we so just to like recap for our listeners, when we were talking about this with Jupiter, Jupiter is related to fat and like fat storage and and you know, cholesterol and things like that. And the gallbladder is what processes fats and helps break those down with bile. So I thought that it would be related to Jupiter, but I was like, the actual gallbladder itself is the storage space for bile. So I was like, maybe that's why. Because it's a storage and it like is a container.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't I don't know what that one's about. Um, this came from Heather Aland, who I believe probably learned this from Lynn Koiner. So those are my sources, but I do not know the the why.
SPEAKER_00:All right. Well, we like to we like to debate.
SPEAKER_01:Uh lastly, um, some medical astrologers also connect the function of the spleen to Saturn. So, Ember, what does a spleen do? Feels like a made-up organ.
SPEAKER_04:The spleen? I mean, the spleen's part of like our lymphatics and immune system, and it stores and filters blood and like stores platelets and white blood cells, which are your immune cells. And so, again, relating it to Saturn intuitively didn't make sense to me. But then I also was able to like kind of relate that back to some Chinese medicine. Like I've talked to you about how I've done the traditional Chinese veterinary medicine courses. And the spleen in TCBM is related to the stomach. And so those are both like earthy organs are considered like part of the earth, which has to do with like slow processes. So kind of like what you were saying about digestion and red blood cell formation. So I was like, maybe that's why. Then I was like, I don't know why the stomach wouldn't also be related to Saturn, but eh.
SPEAKER_01:You know, going along with that, because the other thing, yeah, because the planets are supposed to rule the function of anatomy, whereas I believe it's the zodiac signs that rule the literal organs and things.
SPEAKER_05:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:And that doesn't always add up because, like, obviously, Saturn rules bones and and it rules literally bones, not like the function of bones. Typically, I to my understanding, I could be wrong about this, but my understanding is that with the organs, the planets rule the function of the organs, and then the signs rule the actual organ. But I did notice that Saturn co-rules a lot of things, which I didn't, I don't think is typical for a planet. So like the spleen and gallbladder, like I think those are and then like the bones and skin and nails and hair.
SPEAKER_04:I'm looking up what zodiac sign rules the spleen.
SPEAKER_01:Let me guess. Let me see what it does again. No, I have no idea. I could probably guess another organ besides the spleen.
SPEAKER_04:Again, we're on AI land. So um, but it says the spleen is associated with Virgo and Capricorn.
SPEAKER_01:You know, I feel like every time I will say, I don't know if I totally follow that because every time I Google what sign rules blank, I'll it I feel like it always gives me Virgo, and I think it's because Virgo is associated with medicine and doctors. So I don't I don't know if that's true. I mean, maybe it is, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, it would make sense though. Capricorn could make sense.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm. Saturn is also connected to restricting and restriction of blood flow, for example, so like poor circulation. Saturn is connected to hardening, so kidney stones or gallbladder stones, or feelings of stiffness in your joints or bones. And in our Mars episode, we talked about Mars ruling acute issues, while Saturn rules chronic issues. Saturn rules over aging diseases and over conditions where you do not have enough of something. So Jupiter rules things where you have too much of it, and Saturn rules the things where you don't have enough of it. So like hypothermia, where you don't have enough warmth, uh, would probably have something to do with Saturn and Mars, maybe, or the Sun. And lastly, Saturn also has connections with depression, and some have connected Saturn to cancer diagnoses as well.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I think a lot of these make sense, especially, you know, again, with Saturn being like a malefic planet. I feel like a lot of these people were just like depression with Saturn because it's hard.
SPEAKER_01:I also think too, because like a, you know, you tell me, doctor, but I think like in medicine, like a depression is like a a sunk in, right? I mean, I guess that's also geography. Like a depression in the earth is like a I guess.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know, a depression, concave.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I use the word concave a lot. No, I just I wonder if some of the negative associations, right? Like I said, you know, depression is hard as like a joke, but like depression is really it's like limiting and whole like it can be so so devastating. Like as somebody who has like been through like definitely generalized anxiety and like severe depression. So I just wonder if it gets roped into that. Cause like it, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Like that's the other thing, because I've seen depression mostly connected with Pisces. I don't know. Yeah, the only thing I can think of is like not enough of something. So like not enough serotonin, not enough dopamine, not enough happiness or something.
SPEAKER_04:No, that makes sense. I thought the cancer one was also interesting as well, because I think cancer was also related to Jupiter.
SPEAKER_01:It is. I'm thinking because it said what I read was that it was connected to cancer diagnoses. So I think it's more of like Saturn being related to bad news or to hard news. Yeah, that's that's my guess.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Do you wanna? I know, um, Jordan, you usually mention some like of the nutrients too. Did you have any for Saturn?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so Saturn also rules calcium, so you know, the thing that makes bones or something like that. Vitamin C.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, things needed for like collagen, so vitamin C, collagen, connective tissue, which are like Saturn ruled themes, and then vitamin C also, like the lack of vitamin C is connected with scurvy. So if you know, scurvy is that like disease that people who are like on boats for a really long time would get where their teeth are falling out, so that that totally yeah. Saturn also rules vitamin K, which is necessary for clotting, so stopping bleeding, and sulfur.
SPEAKER_01:Saturn rules sulfur.
SPEAKER_04:This one was funny that it came up because we were just talking about Paracelsus in our coven meeting, who is the person that created the alchemy principles in like the 1500s. And so we're going down like a little sidebar here that there's three prime fundamental substances in this theory, and it's salt, mercury, and sulfur, with sulfur being the chemical that represents like life force, and salt is the body, and mercury is the mind and spirit, where essentially sulfur is the thing that's used to like burn away the concrete body and leaving the soul behind. And so I wasn't sure if that was like related to kind of this like long-term transformation, or if you had any thoughts on that, because I thought that was pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's one of those things I'm gonna have to sit with too. And I've been thinking that this is a little bit of a tangent that we won't go too far into, but I've been thinking a lot about transformation because I just had um a class with Kepler and we were just talking about the modern planets, and we were learning about like the one of the things that they taught us was that Pluto does not actually have anything to do with transformation any more than any other planet. And so we're supposed to like be moving away from using transformation in terms of Pluto. So I think when you mention long-term transformation, I just start thinking about what is transformation and you know, the transformation of every planet, I guess, kind of thing.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I guess you can say that like we all of our things, our communication styles, the way we have with the way we love, the way we have, you know, connections all sort of transformed throughout our lives, I guess. So I just think of like with Saturn, yeah, I definitely heard that about Pluto. I feel like with Saturn, it's kind of that like mature time. I don't want to say goals, that's not the right word, but that that transformation that happens when you're like working really hard towards something. And it's like you're working so hard and it just like you work, you work, you work, and you get there. Almost like I don't it's not really burnout either.
SPEAKER_01:There can be like such a hardening. Like I'm thinking about the typical stereotype of like a boomer who wants younger people to have to also do things the hard way. Like there's kind of a bitterness that can form because you truly worked so hard to get something and you want everyone else to have to do what you did. This is again another tangent, but it I guess I'm just thinking about how those long-term things, while you still in the end get what you want, it can still kind of come with a shade of bitterness.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but it also doesn't, I guess, have to be bad either, is what I'm trying to get.
SPEAKER_01:Because like the lessons you learn are so different. Like, I mean, again, just speaking like politics and boomerism, the lessons that people learn when they do I don't know how I want to say this because I don't want to talk about like things being handed to people, but on a level, I do think things, I do think people deserve to have things handed to them. And I think that that, you know, a lot of things I think should be rights and not privileges and things that we should have just given to us. But I can I can acknowledge that when things aren't handed to you, there's a different kind of lesson that you learn that maybe boomers want everyone to have to learn. I guess I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:No, I totally see what you're saying. And lastly, Saturnal sodium, which is responsible for fluid balance in the body and very regulating for the body as a whole. I actually wanted to add too, I kind of like was researching these, Jordan, just because I was curious about them.
SPEAKER_01:I did notice you wrote kind of a lot for each one. I even wrote at the beginning. I was like, we could skip these today, and then you wrote the most you've ever written about these.
SPEAKER_04:I was interested. And Saturn was interesting. The outermost ring of Saturn is actually made of salty ice creams from one of Saturn's moons, which was called Enceladus.
SPEAKER_00:How do we know that?
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. I guess maybe they've gone to the moon, like the Saturn's moon, and probably like analyzed some like deep core. There's like a potentially like ocean under this moon, and it shoots water ice jets out. And so that might be where they think all the salt's coming from. And anyways, that's a side note, but I thought it was really cool. So it removes sodium, which is salt.
SPEAKER_01:So to transition us to our archetypes, I'm really excited for this one. Um, I feel like I say that every time, but this is one of my favorite stories. I'm obsessed with this. I'm obsessed with the connection I have made with Saturn today. Just jump right in, Jordan.
SPEAKER_04:You're like squee- you're like squeaking in your seat.
SPEAKER_01:So I think Saturn is very much like Ned Stark from Game of Thrones. I have this unhealthy obsession with Game of Thrones. So I'm sorry to people who don't know the story very well, but I just felt like this was so perfect. And I guess I'll give a mild uh warning too for potential spoiler alerts for season one or book one of Game of Thrones, but you should listen anyway. I think it's great. Um, Ember, do you like Game of Thrones?
SPEAKER_04:I can't say. I like watched Game of Thrones.
SPEAKER_01:I thought you liked Game of Thrones. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04:I didn't like it. There was like a lot of things that it's just there was so much to the story that like I couldn't, I don't really like remember a lot. I remember like the big plot. It's a lot, and my brain just doesn't work well like that anymore. I need like like like love triangle drama. What do you remember about Ned Stark? Was he the dad?
SPEAKER_01:He was, yeah, he was the dad. I you know, because you and I have like briefly talked about House of the Dragon. You like House of the Dragon, right? I mean again, I like yeah, I think yes.
SPEAKER_04:No, I'm not like a love, I'm not a love. I love Matt Smith, but I don't know. I it's just like a lot for me to even like think and talk about because I just don't the details are so far. Like, I'm like, is Ned the one that died?
SPEAKER_01:Like he is, yeah. I mean, so many of them did, but he is he is the one that died. Um, all right, so I will carry this conversation, and I'm totally happy with that. I've I love Game of Thrones. So when you think of Ned Stark, those of you who know Ned Stark, the first thing you think of is that he was the one that died. And the next thing you might think of is the meme that says winter is coming. Oh yeah. Yeah. And side note, uh, in the north northern hemisphere, both of Saturn's signs, Capricorn and Aquarius, take place in winter. So I thought that was a fun little nod. But the next thing you might think of is how Ned was all about duty, honor, and responsibility. And these are very, very much Saturn themes. When I was writing this, I was getting really excited because I just love Game of Thrones.
SPEAKER_00:Who's the one that gets beheaded? That's Ned. Okay. Yeah, little Ned style. Sorry, spoilers.
SPEAKER_01:She didn't warn about spoilers. Yeah, yeah. Think about when Ned accepted to be Robert Baratheon's hand of the king. It wasn't something he wanted to do at all. He actually actively did not want to do it, but he felt like it was the right thing to do, and he was very much motivated by his strong sense of responsibility. And actually, even earlier than that, the first scene of the show, of the entire maybe the second scene, the second scene of the show, and the first scene where we see Ned, where we meet him, is when he cuts off the head of a deserter from the men of the night's watch. And he made a whole thing about teaching his children the very, very famous line: the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. Meaning, if you are the one that was bestowed with the authority, then you have the responsibility to face the sentences you dish out and not put it on someone else. You owe it to the people you rule to stay humble and commit to the beheading yourself, essentially. Every man you kill belongs to you, and it's on your heart and it's on your conscience, not someone else's. You are responsible for it. And I'm rambling here, but I just love Game of Thrones. I would say another Saturn principle of Ned's is he is a very strict rule follower. You know that there are people who live by their moral code, no matter what the law says, and there are people who live more by what the law tells them is right and wrong. And I think Ned is pretty in the middle, as probably a lot of us are, but he really does care about lawfulness and following the rules, but he also cares about doing the right thing. And it's a whole thing when he learns about how Joffrey is not actually Robert's son, and he doesn't want to tell his dying friend and essentially brother about it and ruin his last moments of life, but he also feels like he can't just let this go on and continue. So he has a real conflict here about how to proceed. And it's another whole thing because it's one of the very, very few times we know of Ned being dishonest about something, and it's when he does not truthfully write down what Robert told him to write down. And the other time he was not being honest, and this is a big spoiler warning for the whole show. Skip ahead like a minute if you don't want to know. But the other thing, the other time he was not being honest, was when he told everyone, including his wife, that Jon Snow was his bastard son. And he did this to honor his late sister's wishes and to protect John. I'm gonna watch it after this now.
SPEAKER_02:Wow, I'm like going down a little memory lane here just listening to you.
SPEAKER_01:Another connection between Ned and Saturn is the traditional aspect. Saturn is known for being more conservative and traditional, and I don't really mean conservative as in Republican, I mean more conservative in nature. Um, Game of Thrones has a few major religions throughout the story, and one of them is what is considered the oldest religion in Westeros, and that is the religion of the old gods. And this is a nature-based animistic religion where the children of the forest, and it's unknown if they were truly real or if these children were myths, they were worshipped. The children of the forest worshipped each river and rock and tree. And the first known people in Westeros came later and were referred to as the first men. And they kept this religion with the old gods. And later, when the Andals came and colonized Westeros, they had the hardest time overtaking the north where the Starks were later born. And basically, most of Westeros had moved on from the religion with the old gods, and many of them started to follow the faith of the seven. But the Starks, including Ned, value tradition in ancient ways and they still worship the old gods. Very traditional.
SPEAKER_04:With Saturn being related to tradition, like what does that mean?
SPEAKER_01:I think Saturn likes older things, I guess. Okay. Is what I'm thinking. Which that's gonna kind of have its own conversation when we get into Aquarius, but I do associate Saturn as being the traditional one.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And I think the last thing I want to talk about with Ned and Saturn is Saturn's connection to death and integrity. At the very end of season one in book one, Ned makes a deal in order to keep his family and especially his daughters in King's Landing safe by lying and saying Joffrey was the true king, even though Ned knew that that was wrong. And that was a very difficult thing for Ned to do because the last thing he wanted was to play into the Game of Thrones. And in the end, he still died for it. Oh, I love Game of Thrones. I'm I'm not even kidding. I'm I was thinking about like what movie to watch after this, and now I'm gonna go watch Game of Thrones after this.
SPEAKER_02:This is like a Game of Thrones like tribute. I love Game of Thrones. I did not intervene once.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, it was so amazing. I it's so bad. I love it so much. Anyway, and then what are some of the physical items people act? Well, did you have any thoughts about Ned?
SPEAKER_04:I know. I was like, should I say something after this? I feel like I should. Do you remember the story well enough to comment on it?
SPEAKER_00:Just that he gets beheaded and it's really dramatic at the end of season one.
SPEAKER_01:You're like, gosh, that was so good because you think there's gonna be like this 11th hour like savior moment. Like you think someone's gonna come in and stop it. And they don't, and he loses his head, and then in the next season you see his head on a spike and it's like, ah, it's dead.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, damn. I don't like that trauma. I don't like shows that give me trauma.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I love it. I always say anything like with books and media, anything that can make me feel, the more feeling, the better. Whether it's good, bad, or whatever. Just the more of it, the better. The more I like. I just want sexy things. Those are fun too. So, what are some physical items people can have with them or use to connect with Saturn?
SPEAKER_04:I have really liked this section a lot, Jordan, because I think it's really challenged me to think outside of the box for what like I would add at an altar for the planet or carry around with me if I wanted to channel that energy. So thank you for adding it.
SPEAKER_01:Of course.
SPEAKER_04:Anytime. But the colors that are traditionally associated with Saturn are like, of course, like black and gray and brown. And so, you know, I always like to why did you laugh?
SPEAKER_01:I don't know, it's just like, of course, like some boring colors.
SPEAKER_04:Like I love black. I'm wearing all black today, but yeah, I mean like the darker colors, right? Like the colors that are associated with like funerals and sadness. I do always like to refer to some candle magic, and I think having candles with any of these colors would work. I just love a black witchy candle. Dedicating that to Saturn, absolutely. And then this got tricky for me, but I was like, okay, Saturn is about time, like chronic taking the time, maturity. And so, you know, I was thinking maybe some sort of clock or an hourglass would be really cool. And so bonus points if you have like a pocket watch that's been in the family for generations, right? Because then you get that association with ancestral karma. But I think being able to meditate by just like either watching a hand tick on a clock or sandfall in an hourglass and taking that time to just be patient and still could really help you harness some of that Saturn energy.
SPEAKER_01:I really love that. I love the yeah, sitting with a clock or a watch. I I I don't have a watch that's been passed down, but that that sounded really cool. I didn't get chills, but I like saw chills in my mind's eye. So, what about our crystal associations with Saturn?
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so I already mentioned the color associations with Saturn. So, like black and grays. So super unsurprising that the crystal associations would be things like black twermeline, hematite, jet, obsidian, onyx. And a lot of these stones are really representing like boundary setting, protection, ancestral connections, and you can think of their protective energy as your own boundaries, right? Around you being able to protect you when you need it, which can definitely be a vibe of Saturn, right? Like setting these boundaries and limits, because in the end, those boundaries can actually help us reach our long-term goals. And so I also found lead was associated with Saturn. And so I thought you could potentially use something like a pencil, which is graphite, not lead, but has similar lead vibes and obviously much safer, could also be like a nice connection if you're like writing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I wanted to, I just read this the other day and I marked it down to read out loud on the podcast. This is from the book Aspects and Astrology by Sue Tompkins, and it says, um, in order to get a feel for Saturn, one can reflect on the metal lead, which it rules. Lead is extremely heavy and dull in appearance, and it is enduring. It does not corrode easily, for which reason it was once used in water pipes and is still used in roofing. Like lead, Saturn lends an inert, immobile quality to whatever it touches in the chart. Saturn will also slow down the development of whatever it touches, but it will also insist that the development is thorough and that no shortcuts are taken. Saturn may appear dull, but it bestows endurance and it insists that time is taken.
SPEAKER_04:Which really, and I'm glad like I found the lead too, because I was like, it was gonna have like lead, but I don't know, I was like a pencil. But I really like that connection a lot.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and tell us about the plants that connect to Saturn.
SPEAKER_04:So, of course, these are gonna be slow-growing plants that can live in pretty harsh environments with energy that can be considered even like a bit cold and grounding. And one that kept coming up a lot was Cypress, which is an evergreen and associated with mourning and ancestral connections, Kumphrey, which can be used to reduce inflammation and has also been used to help heal bones. So it's otherwise known as bone set or nip bone, patchouli, which is a very common essential oil, it's very grounding and can stabilize scattered emotions, uh horsail, which is used for strengthening bones and skin and nails. And I did go a little bit along the toxic plant path because why not? And belladonna and hemlock are also associated with Saturn, and these are poisons that can really like slow the body down um very and and kill you, and just really demand a lot of witchy respect. So you would never actually ingest these as an FYI. They should only ever be used as symbolic purposes and only handled if you're an experienced herbalist. So I'm putting that out there, but due to their associations with like transformation and wisdom, I it was like a cool connection with Saturn.
SPEAKER_01:That's really interesting. I was interested to see all the things, of course, that like comes up during this episode, but it is I shouldn't be so surprised that death has come up so many times, I think.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I'm kind of seeing the connection now with the serpent. I mean, the serpent has always traditionally been related to some sort of like deep transformation and yeah and things like that. So I'm still waiting for third house. Yes. So as you all know, we pull we pull cards before we start recording and like to make connections with them throughout the episode.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and surprisingly, like usually something always comes up. So I'm I still have hopes that third house is gonna become relevant. I do have Capricorn Third House, so that's my guess of where it could be going, but we shall see.
SPEAKER_04:All right, and you want to know about the tarot, Jordan? Yes, all right. What do you do you have a guess?
SPEAKER_01:I guessed that Saturn rules the Emperor card, and I think if I remember correctly, I think that might no, because Mars is the tower. I think I'm guessing Emperor because like Daddy Saturn. Because Daddy Saturn. Because the Emperor is like the fatherly energy, right?
SPEAKER_04:I mean, yeah, I guess so. I feel like didn't we talk about the Emperor card with I feel like we did, but I can't remember. I think we did because of Mars. Mars might rule the emperor.
SPEAKER_00:No, I think Air does Aries no, because I remember yeah, Aries, sorry, Aries might, which is why we talked about it on Mars. That's so weird because Aries is like a baby, but anyway, I guess it's not the Emperor.
SPEAKER_01:What is it?
SPEAKER_04:I mean, an emperor, I guess, could be a baby. It's also, I don't know. Anyways, so it was actually kind of funny because in my research, like I usually use like Labyrinthos, which is a really nice like app tarot astrology connection. I have a tarot book and an astrology book. I have I got some different answers about like which cards were associated with Saturn, but it was actually the world card, and so I know, and if you if you know the traditional writer Wade Smith deck, like the the world card has a wreath around it, and so like even that you can directly relate to the Saturn rings, but the meaning of the world card is like fulfillment, achievement, completion. This is why I think Saturn isn't all that bad because someone else obviously didn't think Saturn was all that bad.
SPEAKER_01:But the only thing I can most immediately think of is that, like, traditionally, Saturn is the end one of our lives, because again, it rules death and it rules aging, but to like the end of the planets, it's the last planet, and the world is the last of the major arcana. That's the only connection I can make.
SPEAKER_04:In the traditional, in the traditional sense. I mean, yeah, that totally could make sense too. It's sort of like rounding about this, you know, all these efforts you've put in, your things are starting to pay off. It reflects like major milestones in your life you may have completed, you've built resilience to withstand challenges. I don't know, the world may indicate a completion of a long-term project. Like, does this sound familiar with like everything we've been talking about? You know, relating it back to Saturn, Saturnal cycles, completion, mastery, the bigger picture of life, really sort of like those big endings, right? And so all these things Saturn teaches us is through, like respecting time and discipline and perseverance. And so I thought that was really interesting. I never would have guessed that.
SPEAKER_00:I wouldn't have either.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, and the other part that kept coming up was the death card. And I obvious reasons death for all the reasons we've talked about, but carrying themes of endings, but it kind of got into that conversation, Jordan, of like modern traditional, like who rules Scorpio, I think potentially. I don't know, but like I also found the death card was ruled by Scorpio. So I was like, I don't know why this would also be associated with Saturn.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I definitely I think I see the death card as Scorpio, not Saturn. But I guess it could.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so the there was another, you know, our second connection here um is gonna be with the card that's represented by Capricorn. And so since Capricorn is ruled by Saturn, the devil indirectly inherits Saturn's archetypal flavors of restriction, material reality, structures, lessons, responsibilities, which totally makes sense to me. And then if we talk about Aquarius, which is also ruled by Saturn traditionally, right, Jordan? Then it's gonna be the star card, which I did not super understand, besides the fact that like the star card is usually like hope and achievement and success. And I was like, maybe Saturn's like, yay, hard work, we're gonna get there.
SPEAKER_01:I'm excited to talk about Aquarius because I think as far as the conversation about like traditional and modern rulers, I think Aquarius is the one people have the most trouble with. Modernly, Aquarius is ruled by Uranus, but traditionally it's ruled by Saturn, and it's the one that people have like the most difficulties making sense of. But I do think I do use Saturn as the ruler of Aquarius, and I think it fits pretty well, especially in a traditional aspect. As far as the star card, which I don't know much about, but just talking about hopes and dreams and achievements, achievement I think is pretty big because that's you know Saturn's long-term effort and the success that comes with Saturn. Hopes and dreams are kind of sometimes associated with Aquarius, more so associated with like 11th house, but that's 12-letter alphabet thing. So it sounds like the star card is also another card of transformation. And I talked about earlier how in my Kepler class, like we're supposed to be moving away from transformation being a term of Pluto. And they didn't talk about it like needing to be a term of Saturn, but that has come up so much in this episode is Saturn being the transformation.
SPEAKER_04:So speaking of Aquarius and all those things, Jordan, do you want to jump into the essential dignitaries?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, let's talk about the essential dignities. Saturn is in domicile or at home in Capricorn and Aquarius, Saturn is in detriment in Cancer and Leo, Saturn is exalted in Libra, and Saturn is in fall in Ares. So Saturn is very strongly associated with Capricorn. And this may be one of those things we see because of the modern rulers, like how Mars is more heavily associated with Ares and not Scorpio, even though Mars rules both signs of Ares and Scorpio. Saturn is always more associated with Capricorn and not Aquarius, even though Saturn rules both signs. Saturn is indeed very comfy in Capricorn. Capricorn is oftentimes associated with authority and tradition and leadership and structure and long-term stable ambition, the same way that Saturn is. And while progress is slow with Saturn and Capricorn, together the two have the ability to build something that lasts many lifetimes. Saturn is also at home in Aquarius, which I know, like I said, throws people for a loop. And while Capricorn is an earth sign and connected with the literal physical structures, Aquarius is an air sign and connected more with societal structures. So this is things like our social norms, our laws, our society, and the rules that we deem appropriate. These are things that build upon who we are as a humanity. And this is Aquarius. So again, Saturn in Capricorn has more of that, the physical structures and the physical things that we build. And Saturn in Aquarius is a societal social relationship. And also kind of like the higher thinking things that we build. Saturn rules those higher thinking things that we build.
SPEAKER_04:That actually makes a lot of sense to me when you explain it.
SPEAKER_01:Doesn't it? Yeah. Aquarius is also considered the sign of the genius. And generally it takes a lot of time and dedication to gain so much knowledge and higher understanding. And that is a Saturn quality. I think Saturn in Capricorn is like an architect, while Saturn in Aquarius is like the architect of civilization.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, or the architect of like societal norms. And like, okay, interesting. But Aquarius wants to like break away from those things, right?
SPEAKER_01:I think that's an interesting, another interesting conversation. I think this is one of those things where sometimes kind of going along with the 12-letter alphabet, some things may be more Uranian than Aquarius. So I don't think Aquarius necessarily wants to break away from societal norms. I think sad I think Aquarius kind of wants to make new ones or develop upon the ones that are already there, like the foundational things. I think Uranus is the one that wants to like flip a table over kind of thing. And I think Aquarius just wants to like keep moving up and keep progressing, but not necessarily demolish what was already there. That's my own thoughts. I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so I've been dying to ask you this since I have Saturn at 29 degrees in my fifth house of Aquarius. And this is the perfect time to ask you, Jordan. What are your thoughts on that then?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so the 29th degree is called the anoreetic degree. It is the most critical degree in astrology. And the 29th degree has to do with like finishing up something. So in your case, this is finishing up something from Saturn and Aquarius before in your next life or whatever, Saturn can graduate into Pisces. So you have to master it.
SPEAKER_04:I was just gonna say, so like essentially, I won't experience like the benefits of having like been through it because I gotta like finish it in this lifetime. Is that or it's like it done now?
SPEAKER_01:Um, you know, that's gonna be something you're gonna have to meditate on. I don't know, but I I wouldn't say it like that. I don't think it's something you can't benefit from. I think it is essentially like a hotter point in your chart. Like there is something, if your Saturn was at like 12 degrees, it wouldn't be as much of a hot issue in your chart, I guess. Or issue, it doesn't need to be an issue, but a hot theme in your chart. Um so at 29 degrees, I think that just means that your life needs to be devoted a little bit more to the attention of this 29th degree. Mostly I want someone to be like, you did it, good job. Yeah, don't we all? That's the thing. If I could just like have a conversation with the version of me that shows all this, I have so many questions. But not all bad, of course. I just I have questions. I would like to know what am I why am I doing? But anyway, with that 29th degree, you have to master whatever it is before you can move on either in this life or the next one. So I think like you can and will and should master it in this life. That's up to you. Phenomenal comments. Daddy Saturn will be like, good girl. You having Saturn and Aquarius, uh, probably has something to do with wanting to contribute something to the collective, especially something intellectual, freeing, and some kind of like humanitarian vibe. Saturn in fifth house, where you have Aquarius, this is a lot, this could be like you take your joy and pleasure very seriously. And Saturn is also something we grow into. So growing into the themes of joy and hobbies and fun. You know, when I say later in your life, astrologically, I think we've talked about this before. Astrologically, like once you hit, once you pass your first Saturn return, that's like when you're an adult in astrology. So a lot of like Saturn themes traditionally kind of get mastered around the age of 30. Obviously, we live longer than that now, and a lot of people have third Saturn returns, um, and so on and so on. I guess when I say grow into these themes later in life, that can kind of mean anytime after the age of 30.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I started my burlesque and dance and a lot of the hobbies I do like around my first Saturn return. I think we've talked about that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and that, yeah, yeah, because Saturn was in Aquarius. Yeah, makes sense. And so with time and patience and committed dedication, there's also a talent for artsy things, because that's fifth house. And I think this placement would be someone who takes their hobbies very seriously. Uh, in general, I would say this might be someone who is dedicated to a very to very few hobbies and masters them, though your Gemini moon might have something else to say about that.
SPEAKER_04:What does my Gemini moon say about that? I want to dip my toes in everything. Yeah, that's pretty much me. I I was gonna be like, yeah. And then I try and go super hard on all the things.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Saturn is in detriment in Cancer, and I think the biggest thing that makes Saturn a bit uncomfy here is that cancer is ruled by the moon, and the moon just moves so quickly and has a huge focus on feelings and emotions, and Saturn is such a slow-moving planet. Traditionally, Saturn is the slowest moving planet. Saturn likes to take its time and build very sound and stable structures, and cancer just moves on a bit quicker than that. Um, but like all planets in detriment, it really isn't that bad. There's just some kinks that have to be worked out. Saturn is also in detriment in Leo. Similarly to Saturn being uncomfy in Cancer because it's fast moving. I think Saturn is uncomfying in Leo because Saturn is the coldest traditional planet, and Leo is ruled by the Sun, which is the hottest planet. I think Leo is a bit more youthful, too, compared to Saturn, and Saturn can be a bit more of a conformer, or at least is more quiet about what they do, while Leo wants to shout their generosity from the rooftops and make sure that they get credit for everything. While Saturn doesn't really care for like the loud credit, I would say if anything, Saturn wants like the monetary credit. I think the other thing is Saturn is more concerned for the collective, whether that be for the family or the town, the company, the nation, the entire world. And Leo is just much more individualistic than that. Saturn is exalted in Libra. Saturn is concerned with the structure of society and the principles of people and the laws that we all live by. And Libra is the sign of fairness and justice, which are both things that Saturn holds dear. I think the biggest thing here is that Saturn can do all the good things Saturn does, like dedicate to higher learning, understand the world and understand people, and building things at last and holding true to their values while also having that Libra advantage of being able to connect with people. So when I think of Aquarius, we know Aquarius is concerned with the greater good, but does not always connect easily with other individuals, but Libra does connect with people one-on-one. And that's one of those major things that Saturn alone is kind of missing. And having Saturn in Libra is one of those kind of unstoppable type energies. Saturn is in fall in Aries. Saturn is a planner and likes to think about how today's actions will benefit them 10 years from now. And Aries would rather act now and think later. And Saturn is disciplined and the limiter, and Ares is much more loudly assertive and wants to be liberated or be the liberator, along with Aquarius. But anyway. Aries is also the sign of initiating and starting brand new things, whereas Saturn is more known to uphold tradition. These two energies just don't really work very well together. Saturn and Aries can be a placement of fear, as there is this push and pull between the fear of acting too quickly without thinking, versus the fear of missing the opportunity and not having acted quick enough, and overall a fear of mistakes, which can kind of lead to, as far as like uh fight or flight, this can kind of be like the freeze. Like Saturn might feel as much of a hot sign it is, Saturn might feel a bit frozen here and just not know how to act.
SPEAKER_04:So this is where you have Saturn, Jordan, right? I do. I don't know. Knowing that, it kind of gets into our conversation. Like I do think like knowing that and being aware of it, right, is like it kind of helps you like integrate those things together to kind of like help them work together. Cause like I feel like also if you use this like driving courage of Aries, right? Like you achieving long-term goals if you're able to like harness that energy and like work hard to get to get there and like achieve, like, okay, what does it feel like to overcome these obstacles? What does it feel like to kind of like deal with my impulsiveness that like you could then use it as like okay, we're here and now this is like a good thing.
SPEAKER_01:The best I can say is no, not yet. I think my chart has given me an i a good idea of like what my, I don't know, I guess like life challenges or like the things that I'm supposed to overcome, but I wouldn't say I feel like I have like an idea because of my chart of how to overcome those. Like I know that I have fear, but I don't know what to do about it, I don't think. But I guess it's one of those things where I hope I can look back on this later and it'll all make sense or something.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like my thought. So, okay, this is becoming a little bit more clearer for me. So, like, if we were reading the other and I was like talking to you about this, we are talking about this, and you told me, okay, so I have Saturn in this placement, my thought would be okay, like let's build an altar to Saturn. Let's like work with Saturn's energy since we know it's like unhappy in this placement and harness that energy to talk to Saturn, build the altar and kind of like fluff up Saturn a little bit to kind of like work and ask Saturn to like help you work through the fears together.
SPEAKER_01:I actually have been doing that. It's it's like fairly recent, like I would say a couple months. So like nothing's changed yet. But that is something that I have started doing this summer. Same with Mars.
SPEAKER_04:I knew you were doing that with Mars. I didn't know that was Saturn. Yeah, I think like again, like knowing that information and like being this is why I think like having access to your birth chart can be like so helpful because then you can work with those energies, right? And like, I mean, I I your answer of not yet, like totally makes sense, right? Like this is new for you. But I guess that's what I was trying to get at earlier when I was kind of like going in cycles a little bit about how knowing where it is in the chart, even though it's in fall, can like also be helpful.
SPEAKER_01:I asked Adam Ellenbas, who from Nightlight Astrology, I asked him uh in one of his lives once. And I never do this. I never um I don't know, I I don't like to like hand out my placements, I guess, but I really like him and he was asking for it. So I uh I told him that I had Saturn in fall, conjunct Venus in detriment. And his whole point, I think, was like he was talking about how every placement has a blessing. This is again one of those things where I'm like, what the frick is a blessing of this? And basically his answer was like whenever as we are all meant to like overcome a Saturn challenge, whenever I get over that, it's supposed to be amazing, I guess. Well, I'm here for it, girl.
SPEAKER_04:I'm here. Well, yeah. So, Jordan, do you want to tell us about Saturn's path in the sky?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Saturn takes about 29 and a half years to travel the whole zodiac. And this is the famous Saturn return we all hear about. Saturn spends about two and a half years in each sign and goes retrograde for about four and a half months each year. Emperor, does any of this sound familiar to you?
SPEAKER_04:This may sound like the path of the moon. Is that what you're getting at?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the timings line up pretty well because the moon spends about two and a half days in each sign and takes about 28 to 29 and a half days to travel the whole zodiac. And Saturn is the same, but in years. So I thought a lot about how these two planets may connect. And these are all my own thoughts and reflections, so I'm not saying that this is what astrologers generally say or believe, though I'm pretty sure I'm sure other astrologers have said this all before. But I was thinking about Saturn in an ancient way, back before we had the modern planets. Saturn was the very end, while the moon was the very beginning. And what is referred to as Chaldean order, the moon was the very first one, whereas Saturn is the last one. Today, I view Saturn more so as grandfather energy, but many see Saturn as the father, and we still see the moon as the mother. And Saturn also rules death and aging, and it's the very ending of our lives versus the moon, which rules over our time in the womb at the very, very, very beginning. The moon is also the fastest moving planet, while Saturn is the slowest, traditionally. In mundane astrology, the moon also rules over the public, while Saturn rules over government and authority, so in a way, those it kind of has to do with like the power over the public. And these are just the few things that came to mind when I was thinking about how Saturn and the moon might connect.
SPEAKER_04:I, as we were like researching this episode, also thought a lot about the moon. And it wasn't, I wasn't like putting these connections together at the time. It was more about like the moon being the mother and like Saturn having that more like father or grandfather energy. Um, so I like that you like connected them here.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think that works pretty well. And when looking at Saturn's transits in mundane astrology, there's usually some kind of major shift associated with ingresses because it takes so long for Saturn to move on to a different sign. The 29 and a half year cycle can also be considered their own eras as well. But generally, I think Saturn transits in mundane astrology are probably most associated with structures and government. Looking at Saturn transiting your own chart, I would probably think to prepare for restrictions and limitation and also very slow growth and development wherever Saturn is transiting or aspecting. And not slow growth like you were on fire and now it's slowed down, but more so realizing growth. I guess, I guess what I think I'm trying to say is that it's not so much the like the growth, the fire has slowed down, but more so the actualization of the thing that you're working for. So the growth may have slowed down, but it's also it could be because you have reached your goal. And so the progress has slowed because you're there. You did it, you've made it, you succeeded.
SPEAKER_03:At 29 degrees.
SPEAKER_01:Tell us about some ideas for rituals we can do to connect more with Saturn.
SPEAKER_04:I think one ritual we can all do and probably benefit from is practicing patience, which I have none, but light a candle. We already talked about how like a black or gray candle would be perfect for this, and just meditate. So sit with that candle until it burns to the very end. Journal. You could even I know, I know you could start with a birthday candle if you need to, but really, I think one idea I had for this was to like see if you're somebody who journals, you could like sit with some of your past journals and like read through past versions and thoughts of yourself to honor like these lessons that you might have learned over time. I have like an ancestor book that one of my cousins had made. So like I could sit with that and like read through that or like letters between family members.
SPEAKER_03:But just use this time.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, thanks. I like really I I connected with Saturn in a way. I did not think like a lot of these rituals and ideas and connections came very intuitively, which was really cool.
SPEAKER_01:Seeing as like your your business and everything has a lot to is all about like pleasure and joy. I'm very curious how Saturn will play in your business, especially now that you are kind of like thinking more about Saturn and you got so interested in Saturn. I'm very curious how Saturn will play in your business.
SPEAKER_04:Me too. We'll have to talk about that a little bit more because I think it's like taking this time to just honor and slow down and like like honor your successes, but like where are you going? You know, like you've you've succeeded. Like, what is another long-term goal? And just like channel the Saturn energy to look back on lessons and forge ahead and giving your thoughts to your plans with like Saturn as a guide.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I love that. Every episode, we want to leave you with something to reflect on and something to do. So, Ember, give us something to reflect on.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, so there was a lot of key themes for Saturn. So I'm gonna focus on three big questions to ask yourself when you're working with Saturn. And it's shadow season, and working with Saturn could be a really good time to initiate this work. So give it a shot. Shadow work can be so hard to do alone, though. So always make sure you have support with either some friends, other witches, mentors, family, your dog, whoever, to just like talk through some of these more challenging aspects. So the first question I have for you is what karmic lessons keep repeating themselves? And what might Saturn be trying to teach me through those lessons? So if you know where Saturn is in your chart, you can try to identify these lessons around the key themes of that house. Question number two Where in my life am I craving more structure? Not as a cage, but as a container for my magic or self-love. And this question is important because it can help us reflect on what is actually the difference between restriction and structured support. Kind of like what I was getting at earlier, Jordan, where like maybe trying to use that Saturn energy as this support, where like, I don't know, maybe you're trying to start a hobby or you're starting a business and it feels messy and there's no structure and you're just going for it. Essentially, the idea would be to decide, like, okay, I'm gonna create structure around building this business, this hobby, learning this hobby. And that could look like limiting time on social media, going with the mentality of like done is better than perfect and sticking to the time limit of like how long you're gonna be like, I'm gonna work on this thing for one hour and that's it, and this is what I have. And Saturn can be there to say, like, I take my dreams or desires seriously enough to build that temple around it and the structure around it to protect and nurture those desires. So that's where this question's coming from. Like, where are you craving the structure in your life? And finally, in what areas of my life can I honor slow and steady growth instead of rushing towards an instant result? And this particular question came to me because this is like literally me. So, as we kind of have talked about, I have Saturn in my fifth house of play and hobbies and also like Gemini moon, I've always been someone that'll like has a lot of things and I go all in and I do it for a while, but I go so hard that I burn out and then I just like leave that hobby behind. I think certain things have come into play, like like we talked about around my first Saturn return, where I'm really learning to balance these things, like my burlesque, my witchcraft, Ember Fay magic, to like really keep these extracurriculars as a part of my life and not get burnt out because they're so important to me. And I'm like learning this lesson. And I want to make sure I can like grow and incorporate lessons from these communities into the everyday. So, where in your life can you honor that slow and steady growth and not just like rush towards it with that like Aries energy?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, Saturn and Aries. As for coming towards the end of the episode, I've been thinking about this third house card that I pulled for the episode and trying to think like, where is this applying? Like, what's gonna come up? And what I was thinking about when you were talking about the second question about essentially like the structure of your life or the things that you do in your life and and how structured they should be. I'm still pretty adamant of like I don't want to start a business. We've talked about this before, but I just I think you know, we all probably agree. Like, capitalism is very shady. We're all a part of it, no matter what. We can't escape it because it's just part of our societal structure. Thank you, Aquarius. But anyway, like I've been thinking about it because I kind of I kind of want astrology to fund my interest in astrology. I was thinking about my third house, which is Capricorn, which is ruled by Saturn, and third house kind of rules podcasts and the way that we communicate things. And I don't know, it's just kind of making me think of like a business of communication. I think that these are all just kind of like random musings, but I think that's what's coming to me for like this third house card that we pulled.
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SPEAKER_01:All right, and for something to do, I want you to do a time audit. As you go through a random day, write down or mentally take note of what you are doing and how long you are doing it for. Are you giving yourself enough time each night to sleep? Are you spending time making good food? Are you spending a good long time in the shower? Are you spending a lot of time doom scrolling? Are you not spending enough time socializing or just not spending enough time alone? I would say when you first do this, maybe do it without all these questions. Just write down what you're doing and when and how long, and then move on. And then you can come back and reflect on it and ask yourself these questions. And then repeat this maybe like every three months. And a bonus way to connect with Saturn is to mindfully schedule in time to do something that will benefit you a year from when you do the audit.
SPEAKER_04:Do you have an example, Jordan, of something that you might be scheduling in as like a little benefit?
SPEAKER_01:If you know, that's kind of one of those hard questions because like it would have to be something that you like repeat over and over. But for me, it would be like choosing to still be really dedicated to school. I think, you know, we've talked a lot about how we have so many interests. And right now, like my hyperfixation is just definitely astrology, and this is what I want to dedicate all my time to, and I do dedicate a lot of time to it, but I also dedicate a lot of time to grad school and I don't want to anymore. I want to be done, but I want that degree, and that degree is gonna benefit me. And so today I make the decision to keep working hard in grad school so that a year from now I will have my degree.
SPEAKER_04:Yay! Woo! Okay, so we have been doing, if you've checked out our last episodes, a really quick ending of this or that. So you could like play along with us and think about what your answers would be. But I created these questions and Jordan has no idea what they're gonna be. I'm so excited. We're gonna we're gonna jump through. You ready, Jordan? I'm ready. Wake up a little bit. It's so dark by you. Okay, they're Saturn themed. Slow burn or instant gratification. Is this like in books? In books, slow burn. Building boundaries or breaking rules, building boundaries, tough love or a soft spoken truth.
SPEAKER_01:I want to change my answer.
SPEAKER_04:Breaking rules. What was the question? What was the next one? Tough love or soft spoken truth. Soft spoken truth. Traditional wisdom or innovative new ideas. Innovative new ideas. Ah, Jon Snow, but that's a really hard one. Saturn Capricorn daddy vibes or Jupiter divine feminine vibes. Daddy vibes.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my gosh, that was fun. I really liked the tough love or soft spoken truth. What would you say to that one?
SPEAKER_04:I think a soft spoken truth.
SPEAKER_01:That's a really good one. I liked that. Let us know your answers. Or instant that one, okay, because I had to think that that was like, were you referring to media or were you talking about just like in my day-to-day life? Because if so, instant gratification.
SPEAKER_04:Anything.
SPEAKER_01:That was it's however it hits for you. How would you answer these? Slow burn or instant gratification?
SPEAKER_04:Slow burn.
SPEAKER_01:Building boundaries, breaking rules. Building boundaries. That's what I said initially, and then I changed my mind.
SPEAKER_00:Traditional wisdom or innovative new ideas? Innovative new ideas.
SPEAKER_01:Ned Stark or Jon Snow?
SPEAKER_00:Jon Snow.
SPEAKER_01:Or should we say John Targaryen? Saturn Capricorn Daddy vibes or Jupiter Divine Feminine Cancer vibes. Bring me the father.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. I feel like actually though, Jupiter. Jupiter Divine Feminine. Thank you so much for being here with us in the study room. Whether you're beginning your journey with the planets or deepening a connection you've held for years, we hope you're walking away feeling a little more in tune with the energy Saturn has to offer us, no matter how tricky it might feel.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. And if you have any comments or questions, we love hearing from you on our Patreon. And we are loving this process of building a community of astrology students. It's linked in the show notes. And next week we have a very, very, very special other side for you.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, we are bringing you a generational episode with some special guests. It's our first special guest of the podcast. Um, so I was lucky enough to interview three people, each in a different generational Saturn return. And of course, Jordan was one of our interviewees. And we were both thrilled to have two guests join us. Uh, the first and her second Saturn return. We were honored to have someone with us that was actually in her third Saturn return. And we will be sharing that with you.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, we're really excited for this. We I think we recorded it back in May, and we've just been holding on to this one. And I, you know, it felt so right to have it come out after the Saturn episode. So it's it is the time is right. Um, and yes, this will be our first episode with guests, and I really don't think we can emphasize enough how special this episode is to us. And it was really cool to have this conversation between three women along with Ember, who are each 30 years apart from each other and asking the same questions to each one.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, please listen, stay tuned. We cannot wait, and you don't want to miss it. And I hope you'll join us.
SPEAKER_01:After that other episode, we're actually all wrapped up with the traditional planets now. We have completed the traditional planets. I think moving forward, the episodes might look a little bit different. We are going to cover the modern planets individually. Some of our categories may not fit anymore. Like I don't really, I don't follow essential dignities with the modern planets and stuff like that. So I think it's gonna be interesting to see what kind of format we come up with. Stay tuned. This podcast is my practice of asking big questions, uncovering the hidden truths, and creating an accessible space for others to do the same.
SPEAKER_04:And I'm so grateful to be learning alongside Jordan and all of you, sharing our resources and diving into what it means to connect with the cosmos. Thank you so much for being part of our journey, and we'll see you back in the study room every other Tuesday.