#18 - Introduction to the Houses in Astrology

This week in The Astro Study Room, we are talking all about the 12 houses in astrology. We talk about the planetary joys, key themes in the houses, and we have a big debate about which house sex belongs in. (are you team 5th house or 8th house?) 😂

Here are some of the topics we cover in this episode:

5:40 - Astro Weather: Saturn and Neptune conjunct in Aries

7:07 - Solar Eclipse in Aquarius

8:22 - Full Moon in Leo

10:51 - Introducing the Houses in Astrology

17:45 - Astrology History Lesson

24:20 - The 1st House - Body and Personality

25:45 - The 2nd House - Money and Resources

27:15 - The 3rd House - Communication and Local Travel

29:03 - The 4th House - Home and Family

30:07 - The 5th House - Children, Pleasure, and Hobbies

30:45 - Sex in the 5th House

33:39 - The 6th House - Health and Work

37:35 - The 7th House - Close Relationships and Contracts

41:17 - The 8th House - Death, Taboo, and Other People's Money

50:04 - The 9th House - Religion, High Education, and Long Distance Travel

55:55 - The 10th House - Career and Legacy

56:53 - The 11th House - Friends and Community

58:56 - The 12th House - Self Undoing, Isolation, and Hidden Things

1:04:48 - Reflect on the Houses in Your Chart

1:05:47 - Homework for the Houses

1:06:56 - New Game: Which House??

We will see you back in the study room on February 17th!

Transcript

Ember 0:17

Hey Star students. Welcome back to the Astro Study Room. I'm Ember Faye, your friendly neighborhood Fire Fairy Witch.

Jordan 0:25

And I'm Jordan, a university librarian by day and a dedicated astrology student by night. And yes, welcome back to the Astro Study Room.

Upcoming Changes to the Podcast

Ember 0:32

Over the next few weeks, you may hear our intro change up a bit. So for those of you who have been with us since the beginning, Jordan and I have a pretty typical intro we go through. But we have been working on this podcast for about six months and are really still trying to figure out where we want to land as far as our conversations with you all between Jordan and myself. So one major change we wanted to note is that, you know, we've we've been saying that we're just two students going over our notes together in this little astro study room, which we love, right? We love this vibe of just like having a conversation, hanging out, sipping some tea or coffee. But I just want to point something out that many of you may already be thinking, many of you may already know. Jordan is a freaking badass astrologer and has so much information to share with us about astrology in general. And me, as a little eclectic witchy queen over here, I use astrology as a tool in my craft, but I haven't necessarily studied it as deeply as Jordan. And after our conversation with Elise Wells in our last episode about the intersection of astrology and witchcraft, well, it really got Jordan and I talking a little bit.

Jordan 1:45

So something, yeah, that we've been talking about is how we want to broaden our scope a bit and play to our strengths. So yes, I bring a lot of the astrology to the conversation. And then Ember brings the deep spirituality interest that she has. And it's interesting because we've talked about before when I was originally going to do this as a solo podcast, that it was, you know, it was going to be the Astro Study Room. It was going to be kind of what it has been. And when Ember agreed to join, I don't think I said this, I don't know if I've said this on the show, but we talked about it in a conversation that my intention that like at that point I knew like spirituality is now going to be a pillar of this podcast because now, because now you're here. And we, I guess we just haven't played to that enough. So we're going to play to it a bit more. And we're not exactly sure where that's all gonna go, but we're taking you all along on this journey with us. So astrologers, witches, mystics, wizards, anyone and everyone is welcome here. I think one pillar that will remain is that we have always wanted this to be accessible to everyone. So whoever you are, however you are today, however you show up today, you are welcome here.

Ember 2:42

Our goal for this podcast for now is still the same to feel like we're a group of badass students of all levels meeting to learn, grow, and connect. So no matter where you're at in your astrology or occult studies, we know that learning is a forever game, and we're happy you're here to play with us. So if you so wish, bring your notes, your beverage of choice, your pens, your highlighters, or just bring yourself in an open mind.

Jordan 3:09

And you know, every other Tuesday, we will be exploring something, probably along the lines of astrology, possibly along the lines of occult studies, of course, witchcraft and spirituality, and just chatting about how these things show up in our real lives and reflect on what wisdom the universe has to share with us. If you enjoy this episode, I hope you will consider subscribing and leaving us a review to help us grow this little cohort of people.

Ember 3:33

We are jumping into episode 18 to get to a topic probably many of you have been waiting for since we've referenced it so much a bit on here during our ash weather and our conversation. So, Jordan, what are we talking about today?

Jordan 3:47

We are going to be talking about the houses. And depending on how long this goes, maybe this will turn into two episodes. We'll see. I, you know, right now I feel like we'll get it all in one, but we'll see. So I know we're talking about the houses.

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Ember 4:00

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Ember 4:24

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Jordan 4:29

Yes, I do natal chart consultations and solar return consultations and cosmic check-ins where we can talk about any current transits going on, or if you want dedicated time to ask about any placement in your chart or any of the specific transits, the link to book a consultation is in the show notes. Ember, what do you have going on?

Ember 4:47

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Astro Weather: Saturn and Neptune Conjunct in Aries

Solar Eclipse in Aquarius

Jordan 5:16

So buckle up star students, class is officially out and the study room is in session. Yes, so as always, I am here to update you on what Saturn is up to. We mentioned in our Astrology of 2026 episode that the biggest transit of 2026 is Saturn and Neptune ingressing into Aries together at zero degrees. As we are recording this on January 26th, Neptune just moved into Aries at 3 p.m., so less than two hours ago, and we'll be moving through Aries until March of 2039. Saturn will be joining Neptune at zero degrees of Aries on February 13th. And this is the very first degree of the zodiac, and I think Saturn is here building a new foundation for something. I was doing some writing about Saturn moving through Aries, specifically Aries first Deccan, which is from February 13th to January 29th of 2027, so basically a whole year. And an image that came to mind was when you see a construction site for a new building, and it appears like they're just digging holes all day, every day for what feels like forever. And from the outside, it just looks like there's not much progress happening. And then one day you drive by again and suddenly there's a whole structure there. So true. Yeah. And so that's kind of what I was thinking with Saturn, where I don't think this will bring any sudden structure or sudden change, but I want to emphasize that these big actions and like the nose to the ground type of work that may appear on the outside, like there is no progress being made, will eventually become noticeable. On the day our next episode airs, there will be a solar eclipse in Aquarius on February 17th at 7 a.m. We talk about what we think this might mean for the United States in our astrology of 2026 episode. Now look in your own chart and see if this eclipse is activating anything for you. This will be at 28 degrees of Aquarius. So look to see if you have any planets in the late degrees of Aquarius or the late degrees of Taurus, Leo, or Scorpio, and maybe even Libra or Gemini.

Ember 7:31

And so, Jordan, if they do, if our listeners do have something uh, you know, at one of those degrees, what does that mean? Like what should they expect?

Jordan 7:39

It definitely depends on which sign it is and then which house it is in. And hopefully this houses episode will help you with that. What I would say is prepare for something. Prepare for because eclipses bring shifts. So prepare for some kind of change.

Ember 7:55

Oh right. And I really liked what you said, that uh metaphor with Saturn and the building that clicked with me so hard. And I I know, right?

Jordan 8:03

I was like, this is amazing. Something about me and Saturn in these visuals.

Ember 8:06

I love it. It was so good. And I really, you know, it's so crazy to think that with Neptune moving into Aries, that like we just saw Neptune and Pisces for like the last time in our lifetime.

Jordan 8:16

We will ever see it, yeah.

Full Moon in Leo

Ember 8:18

Yeah, that's so wild to me. So tell us about our local weather. So, as we're airing this episode, we had the last full moon on February 1st at 5.09 p.m. And that was our full moon in Leo. And it's currently the third today, but the moon is still pretty full. The moon is in Virgo right now, but you know, we still sometimes feel that like energy uh resonating from the full moon a few days afterwards, especially when you go out and look up and you're like, it's a full moon still. So hopefully it'll still be big and beautiful. But the energy you may have been feeling this past weekend really is that like Leo fire. It's the manifesting confidence and bravery and embracing your authentic self. So if you haven't yet, I still think it's totally valid to go outside and dance under this moon. Or if it's super cold by you, which has been the case for us for the past few weeks, uh, blast some music in your house. Open up a window, like the the blinds, maybe don't open up the window if you already do it. Open up the window. Or open up the window. Uh, have a dance party and just manifest with this energy and power, get your blood moving. Something that can be really hard to do in these cold winter months, but really important for us to like kind of feel that fire and that heat. And so, you know, if you haven't already honored this full moon, this is your sign. Go do it.

Jordan 9:43

Yeah, and typically Ember will talk about the lunation before it happens, but I actually kind of like that this is a few days after because now you get the chance to reflect and sort of more authentically see if you felt aligned with the lunation.

Ember 9:56

Yeah, I love that. If you feel so called, maybe like journal a little bit on how you were feeling this past weekend and see if it aligns with some of that Leo energy. Also, potentially maybe you don't feel like the fire of Leo. Maybe you're tired during like a Leo full moon. It's something that's really interesting that we've talked about before to be able to like reflect back on in a year to see if that energy level stays consistent throughout.

Introducing the Houses in Astrology

Jordan 10:22

And there is a lot happening in Aquarius at this time too. So around the sun, opposing the moon. So if you're feeling Aquarius energy too, that is also valid. Whatever you're feeling is valid. Okay, so today's episode, we're talking about the houses, and I'm really interested to hear Ember tell us what do you already know about the houses? And I guess do you have any initial questions? But mostly I want to know what do you know already?

Ember 11:05

So I know there's 12 houses, and in the way that I've learned it in the past, each house is ruled by a sign, and essentially each house kind of represents a different part of like our life or our existence, and that the houses are important because we can look at them and get an idea of where the planets are positioned in these houses at the time of our birth, and then we make interpretations, spiritual, not interpretations, like spiritual yeah, no, we make interpretations from that. It's interpretations. Yeah, I think like their houses are also ruled by elements, maybe too. Like each house may have an element, and that there's also something. I don't know. I've also like heard something about angular houses and stuff, but I have no idea what that means.

Jordan 11:51

Yeah, oh I love that. Yeah, I think you've got a really good foundation to it. I this is really nitpicky, but one thing I do want to say is you said a house is ruled by a sign. I see it more as like a house is occupied by a sign and it's the planet that rules, um, which I think you also yes, a planet rules a house and the sign occupies the house. There are 12 houses. I love that you brought up angular houses. So there's angular houses, succeedent houses, and cadent houses. And the angular houses, you don't have to remember all of this, are one are one, four, seven, and ten. And these are like the pillars of your life. So very, very quickly, first house is you, fourth house is your family, seventh house is your spouse, tenth house is your career. So those are the things that like we all supposedly have kind of thing. The angular houses are the ones that are just most active in our lives. The succeedant houses, which are two, five, eight, and eleven, so the ones right after the angular houses. Oh, can I guess? Yeah. Okay. So you said what was it? Two, two, five, eight, and eleven. So the ones right after the angulars.

Ember 12:59

Does it have to do with like others' influence on you?

Jordan 13:04

No, I I'll be honest, I think this is gonna be pretty hard to guess. Okay, but you could totally go for it. Um I don't think I would pick up on this pattern. Okay, okay, I tell you. They it is um, it is like the building, it is the culminating of something. So they're seen as weaker. Yeah, I know. I wouldn't have gotten that. Yeah. They're seen as weaker than the angular houses as far as like how prominent they are in your life. If you know modality, think of cardinal as angular and think of fixed as succeedent. And then we have the cadent houses, which would be like the mutable, and the cadent houses are three, six, nine, and twelve. And these are the houses where something is falling away. These are the weakest houses. They're kind of the houses that are gearing up for a a new change to be established with the next Angular house. So that was really fast. You don't have to remember all of that. I just love that you brought up Angular houses.

Ember 13:59

It's so interesting. I still don't super understand that. Like the gearing up what was the third one? Cadence, cadent houses, cadence, cadent houses. Because like a cadence, right, is like I like that you say gearing up because it's kind of like a cadence, right? Like a steady movement forwards. But I guess are the houses kind of like a story. Like when you say like they're gearing up for the next one, like what does that mean?

Jordan 14:25

I do, like, I think you know, we we all learn things through stories, so there are definitely stories like this. I think this is something we'll talk about through the houses because there's another thing that we're not gonna go into today that is primary and secondary motion. And this has to do with the planets and the signs and how everything moves, and it's kind of complicated, um, or at least I think it is. And in the turn in the conversation of houses, this is basically how the houses go back and forth into each other. So, how does the second house influence the third house? And also how does the third house influence the second house? And then how does the second house influence the third house? And the second house influence the first house, and so on and so forth. And so there is a story about how each house interacts with its neighbor, and then also interacts with its oppos opposition, with its trine, with its square.

Ember 15:14

Not so much it's sex style, but what you were saying, Jordan, about the that each house no, each sign occupies a house. Okay. Um absolutely that changes. I think what I was thinking of is something that I don't think you necessarily subscribe to is that like the first house is related to like Aries and the second house is related to natural houses is what natural houses. It's so funny because when I've like the natural houses seems so obvious and clear and like a pattern to me. And we can definitely maybe as we go through each house, we can like we'll see if that like comes up in the conversation. But I don't know, it just makes a lot of sense. So that's what I was thinking about when I said that. That like I guess each house is ruled by a sign. I guess I was thinking of the natural houses, like that they were like ruled by that sign. Yeah, your face looks upset.

Jordan 16:06

No, I was turning my phone on, do not disturb. I'm like, oh no. Oh no. I think I've talked about this before, but as I get more into astrology and as I study more of it, I just find I just get deeper and deeper into my love for traditional astrology. And that doesn't invalidate modern astrology, but I think it's hard to find a way to talk about this that isn't negative because I really don't want to be. Because I do think like if something works for you, go forth with it. And as long as you are not harming anyone, and I I don't think anyone really is with natural houses.

Ember 16:40

I think yeah, I think like it's interesting, it just feels like it comes up with like the pattern recognition again. So when you're talking about the planets and you're talking about like the outer planets, I kind of see where things can get a little weird because it feels like it's just I don't know, it's like we discovered these planets and had to find somewhere for them to fit. So I can kind of see that. Whereas the houses, they feel so perfectly aligned with like the rest of the zodiac, and there's like 12 signs in the zodiac, and there's 12 houses, and there's like, I don't know, it just it feels like it's part of that pattern thing that seems so good with like traditional astrology that it almost surprises me a little bit that it's not used more because the pattern just feels like it's especially when you're talking about like when you were talking about like the cardinal, fixed, mutable signs, like it feels like it translates very easily when you were talking about like the angular houses, like there's a thing. Yeah, yeah.

Astrology History Lesson

Jordan 17:37

I I actually thought about that when I said that. I was like, oh, this is this is leading on a natural house thing. Yeah. Um I think something that we'll get in at through the houses too is that traditional astrology, the very, very traditional, the very the oldest astrology that we have access to, it has it uses very few words. And modern astrology, and especially just because we have so much more access to writing and publishing and stuff, we have a lot more words. And so I think a lot of the houses have been expanded, and I think it's also the 12-letter alphabet has influenced a lot of what people think about the houses. I think I just really enjoy knowing the roots of things. I really like knowing where something came from and it somewhat what the reason is or what the explanation is. And I think I guess I I have a deeper appreciation for like it all goes back to something really, really old, I guess, which is so crazy because a few years ago I would have been like, oh, that's old, then it's outdated. But that's the other thing too with astrology. A lot, and I wasn't into modern astrology for very long, but that's the thing. A lot of people start with modern astrology, and then the deeper you go into it, the more appreciation people have for the traditional astrology. Especially today, this is a little bit of a history lesson that uh is impromptu, this was not bland, but we've talked about sun sign astrology in the 1930s and how that kicked off modern astrology. And so from around 1920, 1930 through about the 90s, modern astrology was what was it? That's what everyone practiced. And so when you hear a lot from big astrologers from the 60s and 70s, most of them are very modern. Not all of them, but a lot of them are. And then in the 90s, there was a project called Project Hindsight, which was a, I believe it was Grant, a grant-funded project, where the three Roberts, as people call him, it was uh Robert Hand, Robert Zöler, and Robert Schmidt, and they did a translation project where they had these old astrological texts and they spent tons and tons of time translating it. So it was just in the 90s and early 2000s that we got access to a bunch of older texts. And that like re- is it and it reopened traditional astrology. And so traditional astrology is getting more and more popular because now we have more access to it. And I haven't been in astrology long enough to say like I can recognize trends in it, but it seems that like that we are trending more towards traditional. So the natural houses is like a modern thing for sure.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Yeah.

Jordan 20:05

I th I think natural houses comes from the 12-letter alphabet. I don't know that for sure, but that's my assumption.

Ember 20:10

Oh, okay. It just seems so natural. Natural houses, but it just seems so natural to like have at a base level, right? We have 12 houses, we have 12 signs in the zodiac, like to associate those with each other. That does seem like it would be a very like old thing. So that's interesting that it's new.

Jordan 20:31

This isn't something I know too much about, but I think the other thing too is before Hellenistic astrology, so I don't know enough to really talk on this, but there are other versions of ancient astrology that had less than 12 houses, and those versions of astrology influenced Hellenistic astrology, and you know, it was cultural exchange, so Hellenistic astrology also influenced their astrology, but there are other astrologies that have less than 12. Oh I think like at one point there were like four.

Ember 20:57

That is very interesting and could definitely explain that. So for those of you who may not be following along as well, because we're using a bit of vocab here, natural houses. Jordan, please tell me if I'm incorrect. But natural houses are essentially assigning each house a zodiac sign with Aries starting with like the first house, and then the second house would be Taurus, third, Gemini, fourth, cancer, and all of the themes of those houses potentially like representing some aspect of that sign. Is that pretty yeah?

Jordan 21:31

And I think people who use natural houses will also look to where that sign is to have an extra like in your chart as a Libra rising with you having Aries in seventh house, it would say like it would bring a stronger connection to yourself with your spouse. Okay, kind of thing. And then you have Taurus in eighth house, so you're re well that that one's an easy one because that's that's the other thing with Libra too, because you are just a flipped chart, you are a flipped natural houses, but like in my chart, my second house is Sagittarius and I have Taurus in seventh house. So that would say, like, my resources are my partner. And like that can apply to anybody.

Ember 22:08

Hmm. What do you mean that can apply to anybody?

Jordan 22:11

Like, like, because the seventh house is your relationship. Like, yes, your relationships are your resources. That's kind of like everyone. That like a relationship is your is a resource to everyone.

Ember 22:21

It's not I mean it can be. It can also be a bad thing.

Jordan 22:26

Yeah. It could be a bad resource, I guess.

Ember 22:29

Yeah. Interesting. So wait, are you sorry? Are you saying then that like it's just too easy of an explanation? Like that it's just too broad, like it can apply to anyone, as in like I think it's too broad.

Jordan 22:42

You know, I wasn't gonna say this too. I think that's kind of one of the things where I've started to not like modern astrology because I do feel like it's the experiences I've had with it, and again, if you have great experiences with it, please go for it. Like, don't listen to me. But I've started to feel like, well, they're just kind of saying a lot of things, and so some of them are bound to stick. And it is also a lot more psychological, and that is cool. I do appreciate that it's a lot more psychological and less let's look at what like less predictive. It is less predictive, and I would say I don't want to use this as more or less. It's a different look at how your soul decided your life beforehand, before re before reincarnating or whatever. Oh, that's deep. And so I think because I guess traditional does have a little bit more of a faded aspect to it, and so it kind of has like a here is what your soul wanted to do, and here's what you're gonna go through. And the modern has more of like a how can your psyche grow in this life kind of thing, and like I don't really think either of those are wrong.

Ember 23:47

So yeah, that's interesting, cool. I think the psychological aspect is is definitely part of why I do like the modern astrology and on a big basis of like what I've learned from is modern astrology. So, anyways, so we have a definition for the the houses, and so I don't know, Jordan. Do you want to do this by like maybe I'll go through some of what I know about the houses and like talk about each one?

The 1st House - Body and Personality

Jordan 24:14

Yeah, I think let's go house by house. I want to hear, I want to hear what you know about the first house, and then I will chime in afterwards.

Ember 24:22

Okay, so basically, yeah, we'll go through the themes, and as our listeners, maybe you want to take some notes if you're into that. Maybe you just want to like kick back and listen, whatever you prefer. Um get out your pens and highlighters and let's do it. The first house. What I know is it's about like self and physical appearance. Yeah, that's pretty much what I know. I feel like a lot of these are gonna be like very like one or two. That's totally fine.

Jordan 24:49

And that's the thing, too. When you first get into this, you don't need to learn more than one or two words. Yeah, and that's pretty right. The first house is your rising sign, and it is your identity, it's your physical appearance, and that's it. It's just kind of how you express yourself. There are a few houses where people will say this has to do with your early life, and the first house is one of them. I haven't really figured out where I fall on that, but some people say the rising sign is.

Ember 25:12

So, yes, and so if you follow along with the natural houses, that would be Aries, I guess would be like Is it would you say like related to the first house?

Jordan 25:21

Or Aries related to the first house?

Ember 25:23

Is that what would that be like the natural house?

Jordan 25:25

I actually don't know how like how they word it.

Ember 25:26

I don't know either. I would I guess I'm just gonna say like related, but it would also be in your own chart, whatever your rising sign is, is your first house. That's why your rising sign and your time of birth tends to be pretty important to know because it influences the entire rest of your chart.

The 2nd House - Money and Resources

Jordan 25:44

Yep, yep. So, what do you know about the second house?

Ember 25:47

The second house is money and resources.

Jordan 25:50

Yeah, and I think those are the biggest two words you need to know. The second house is it's our money, it's our bank balance, it is our income, it is our attitudes towards the things that we own, so our possessions, and yeah, just our resources in general. And so thinking about the primary and secondary motion, the first house of self, you move into what you need, which is your resources. We didn't talk about this earlier either, but the chart is set up into hemispheres and quadrants. So these first three signs are in quadrant one, and these are the private self, these three houses. So these so the second house of money and resources, this these are the things that are yours. They are doesn't literally mean that they're hidden, but they're private to you. You own them individually.

Ember 26:34

Oh, I didn't know that. That makes so much sense. Yeah. Um, and so money, resources, do you associate houses with elements? Like each house is related to an element, like the first one is fire, second, or is that also natural houses?

Jordan 26:49

That's natural houses.

The 3rd House - Communication and Local Travel

Ember 26:50

Um, so for so for our second house, then that would be in natural houses related to Taurus or the earth element, which I do think kind of like plays nicely because we're talking about resources, like material things, and that's pretty earthy. Taurus do be liking their resources. Their thingies. We do like having things. Um, okay, so third house. What I was thinking of the third house, it's like how you communicate, but I was having trouble like finding a keyword for this, like in my brain.

Jordan 27:23

Yeah, this is an interesting one because the third house is where I get the most like if I were to believe in natural houses, it's because of the third house. So traditionally, I think the third house was your siblings and your cousins, and your I think like your local travel. So it was like your town or the village that you lived in. Today we look at the third house as your early education, so like grade school. It's still your siblings and cousins. It is communication, so this is speaking, reading, writing, and it is your local surroundings, so it's the town that you live in. I would say, to me, I use the third house as anywhere where you could travel to and back in a day. Um, okay. And I think like this comes from the third house natural ruler or whatever would be Gemini, ruled by Mercury, and these are very Mercurian themes. And the other thing, oh, I forgot to mention this earlier. Every planet has a house that it has its joy in. Mercury has its joy in the first house. The moon has its her joy in the third house, and this is because traditionally this was also the house of the goddess. So you you would kind of think that this would be a more Cancerian house, but I don't know, it does kind of feel like a Mercury house.

Ember 28:42

It definitely feels like a Mercury house, which definitely correlates with like the Gemini. I've never heard that have their joy. Is there like one where they feel sad in?

Jordan 28:52

No, not individually.

Ember 28:54

Just like they have their joy.

Jordan 28:56

There are the sad houses, like the, and we'll get into that, but oh my goodness.

The 4th House - Home and Family

Ember 29:00

Okay. Um so the fourth house, family home, and then I would also say childhood, but is that inaccurate then? If like I don't think it's inaccurate.

Jordan 29:10

Like I said, I think there's several houses. I haven't quite figured out where I feel about it. I think because yes, the fourth house is your home and family, so it's your foundation, and so it's where you came from. And so that's you know, that screams childhood for sure. This is where you can see your parents. There is debate on whether the fourth house is your mother or your father, and then vice versa if the tenth house is your mother or father. So sit with that. Right now, I think the current leanings are that the fourth house is your father. So do with that what you will. Um, this is your lineage, this is your ancestors. I think this is also rules your retirement years. And yeah, just wherever you're living.

The 5th House - Children, Pleasure, and Hobbies

Ember 29:47

Okay. And then that would be your Cancerian themes, your cancer uh would be the sign that I don't even know. I I keep saying, like in conjunction, related, you know, whatever that connection is with the natural houses, uh, that is your fourth house. Okay, so five.

Jordan 30:08

Here's where some of our debate's gonna start.

Ember 30:11

Okay, yes, because I definitely associate five with like creativity and pleasure. This is like your Leo. Um, so that fifth house is like fire associated with creativity.

Sex in the 5th House Debate

Jordan 30:25

Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. Um, traditionally, the meaning of the fifth house is your children, and then it's also it is pleasure. So children and pleasure, fun, games, sports, vacation, romance, casual dating, uh, gambling, risky situations, and just anything that you enjoy. Venus has her yes. Um, I would say sex in general, which is where the debate is going to come in. I think sex lives in the fifth house. Venus has her joy in this house, and I think that is where the sex connection comes from.

Ember 30:59

Sex or pleasure. I mean, Venus is also pleasure, which doesn't necessarily have to be sex.

Jordan 31:04

No, it doesn't. But I think sex has more reason to live in the fifth house than it does the eighth house.

Ember 31:08

I think it's both.

Jordan 31:10

Okay. I was looking into a bit about like where because I knew we were gonna talk about this, so I'm a little bit prepared for this. But I'm not.

Ember 31:19

Let's do it.

Jordan 31:19

Yeah, let's make that clear. I I totally came into this, like, let's have this conversation.

Ember 31:24

Jordan's ready to throw the fuck down.

Jordan 31:26

Sex is in the fifth house.

Ember 31:29

I'm gonna get a t-shirt that's like eight houses.

Jordan 31:33

Teen fifth house. Oh my god. Um so the earliest writings that could be found that I have heard of mentioning sex is a connection to sex in the seventh house because that is your spouse. And then right after that, we can only have sex with our spouse. Right. So right after that is when we start to see the planetary joys and what house they have their joy in. And Venus gets assigned a fifth house, and then and then the fifth house gets pleasure added to it, and that is where sex gets assigned to it. We'll talk about this, I guess, when we get to it. But the eighth house, modernly ruling sex, this comes from the 12-letter alphabet where Scorpio rules the genitals, and so then it becomes associated with sex. But traditionally, it has no association with that whatsoever. I'm gonna it's okay. I was like, and it's also okay if you don't have a response, because like I said, I know I prepared for this and you didn't.

Ember 32:31

Oh no, I'm just gonna wait till the eighth house to get there. Okay. Um, because I don't think it's just about the the 12-letter alphabet. I think it also has to do with the themes of the eighth house, um, which can definitely be I'm I'm not gonna argue about the traditional versus modern, just more of like from a philosoph, I'm gonna argue from the philosophical point of view.

Jordan 32:50

That's my shit, baby.

Ember 32:51

Oh, sorry, Mom. Um so okay, so fifth house creativity, play, um, associated like children, Leo. Children. The children one throws me off because it's really yeah. I guess like play. Oh no, I guess like children play like sort of like inner child too, I guess. Like your own inner child. Would that be there too?

Jordan 33:15

You know, I I don't think I look at charts like that. So I think if you think so, then sure. I definitely like, yeah, I'm definitely not the kind of reader who looks at it like this is the house of your inner child.

The 6th House - Health and Work

Ember 33:27

Well, I think to me, creativity, pleasure, play, all those things are implications of like your inner child and connection with your inner child. So it's just kind of I think like a word thing. Okay, so that's your fifth house, the sixth house, which would be the last one in the second quadrant. Yep. Okay. Um, is your daily stuff, like your routines, um, and I think like work, but not your career. So, like just like the daily work that you do every day. So maybe it's like chores. Um, you know, I feel like working out would fall here too. Like things that you do daily that are just like, I don't know. Does that make sense?

Jordan 34:10

Yeah, I think it's pretty good. I think the only sorry, my cat wants to get up here. I think the only thing that you didn't mention that is a big one is this is also the house of health and illness.

Ember 34:18

Oh yeah.

Jordan 34:19

Yeah.

Ember 34:20

Okay.

Jordan 34:21

You know, I've been told that this house rules pets, but I haven't. I think since I've gotten more into traditional astrology, that hasn't come up anymore, so I'm not sure if I fall with that anymore. I think that has to do with Virgo being associated with animals and Virgo being the natural ruler of the sixth house. Uh-huh. But maybe it is. So think about what resonates. Sixth house is illness and disease, health, healthcare working, uh, doctors. This is also your employees, your tenants. Traditionally, this is where enslaved people were seen. Yes, your chores, so your daily duties, the things that you do every day, the your daily job duties at work, and yeah, that's a sixth house. This is um the first really of the unfortunate houses. So these we haven't gone into aspects before much, but these houses and their significations also kind of have a bit of like a how they are configured to the first house or the ascendant. And so the sixth house with Ptolemaic aspects is what they're called, cannot see the sixth house, and so it is a house that does not support the the first house, which is you.

Ember 35:31

So is that a hidden house? Is that what a hidden house means?

Jordan 35:35

No.

unknown 35:35

Okay.

Jordan 35:38

That would make a lot of sense. And the other two misfortunate houses do happen to be hidden houses. So sure, it's not the same thing. Yeah, the hidden houses are four, eight, and twelve. Oh, four. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And and that's the thing too, because the first house also can't see the second house. They're seen to get more unfortunate as you go. So two, eight, twelve, two, six, eight, and twelve are the houses that cannot that are not configured to the ascendant, and they're seen to get more and more unfortunate. So no one really sees the second house as unfortunate. The sixth house is the first one that's kind of like, this is not a great house to have planets in. Which is why I'm always really sad about my Saturn in fall and Venus in detriment conjunct in my sixth house.

Ember 36:24

But I feel like I would want planets in the like it's just like my daily stuff. I want some support there.

Jordan 36:29

Like, I want to okay. I would probably feel better about it too if I didn't have two very unhappy planets in Aries there. Okay, that's fair. Yeah. Where do you think pets fall? Where do I think pets fall? I guess I do. I mean, I still I guess would look at the because I don't know anything else, so I guess I would still look at the sixth house. I think if you were to ask me, I would look at four or five.

Ember 36:50

Four was another one I thought about. Yeah. I think my first reaction, the only reason I say five is because you said children, and I was like, They're my babies. Um, and they bring me so much pleasure in having animals like pets, does that, but like I also see them as like the family home, so I could I don't know. Yeah, that makes sense. My intuition was four, but when you said children, I was like five. Okay, so six. So that's the end of our second quadrant. We're going into our third quadrant. What does that mean, Jordan?

The 7th House - Close Relationships and Contracts

Jordan 37:21

This is seven, eight, and nine, and this is the other and external. So it's the other and it's not necessarily more public, but it's it's a little more public, I guess. Other and external are the two words.

Ember 37:36

Okay, and so the seventh house, I feel like I know quite a bit just because we've talked about the seventh house so much. Um, but it is associated with marriage, partnerships, commitment, contracts, and business partnerships as well. And I know so natural houses, it would be associated with Libra and would be more of like an air sign. Did I forget anything?

Jordan 38:08

No, I think the only thing that I thought of with the seventh house is it also rules your enemies, specifically the enemies. It does, yeah.

Ember 38:16

Enemies to lovers. That's so bizarre. It rules marriage and your enemies.

Jordan 38:21

Yeah, I know. I know. Sometimes there's a part of me that's like, man, astrology was just designed so you could say yes to anything.

Ember 38:27

I mean, it kind of feels like that. Although it kind of makes me feel like it's, you know, that saying that like there's a fine line between hate and love. I mean, right? Like it's that fine line, like they fall in the same house because it's the same emotions, just really intense one way or the other.

Jordan 38:46

Yeah, and seventh house specifically is the enemies that you are aware of. So you know that these people hate you. And I guess you hate them too, or whatever. But yeah, this is your I I like to call it the house of spouse because it rhymes. Um, but yeah, I call it the house of spouse. I like to say this rules close one-on-one relationships. Traditionally, that was marriage. I think that's a bit outdated. I know there's a whole thing too, and this is something people still talk about because they say that the seventh house rules contracts and that marriage is a contract. And so I've heard, I mean, people today, modern astrologers, some not all, probably not most, some modern astrologers today still say that the seventh house doesn't include your partner until you have a marriage certificate. What like that? Because it's more about because some say it's more about the contract and more so because the other thing too, once you get married and get divorced, and if you get married again, a different house rules that second spouse. And so the idea is that this first that the seventh house doesn't rule your spouse until you are married. But I do think that that's pretty outdated because like we get married a lot slower than we used to. But like I think about it like me and Brendan, who have been together for eight years, the fifth house is like you're casual dating. Like, we're certainly not casually dating anymore, kind of thing.

Ember 40:07

That is super interesting. I wonder if it has to do with relationship. Like, I think it's very interesting. Like, I agree that it's 100% outdated as far as needing like that paper contract. But I do think relationships in general, especially intimate relationships, whether that is with a business partner or that is with uh a person who is a partner, right? We have these sort of like unspoken rules, these unspoken contracts and and boundaries with each other. And even though it's not like on paper and like here's the contract, we make commitments in our relationships. And so that I guess in like an old school way can be seen as like we make contracts with each other. That doesn't necessarily I think that idea of it having to be a marriage license is just taking the words too literally.

Jordan 40:52

Yeah. And I think, and like, yeah, I guess too traditionally too, because which again, I'm surprised that I see it with modern astrologers, but like, yeah, back in the day when you didn't casually date as much kind of thing.

The 8th House - Death, Taboo, and Other People's Money

Ember 41:04

Yeah, that's so interesting. And so Libra here, I don't know, Libra here makes a lot of sense to me because Libra is definitely a sign about relationships and connections. So I see that as far as the commitment, the partnerships, that kind of thing. So okay, house eight. So this is one of the hidden houses.

Jordan 41:21

Yep.

Ember 41:22

And this house I associate with death, taboo, transformation, the occult, and kink tend to be the things that I put here. Um, I will say that like the hidden houses definitely I I think it's interesting for is a hidden house. I don't super understand why.

Jordan 41:47

I don't actually know the answer to that.

Ember 41:48

Yeah, like what what is the definition of a hidden house?

Jordan 41:52

They're the houses that are more secret, where things are less public and less known.

Ember 41:56

Oh, I guess so it's like family home. It's like theoretically, it's behind doors kind of thing. Okay, that makes sense. So, yeah, the eighth house definitely is one that is hard for me to grasp and like put into words, but I do feel like I have a super deep connection to I don't even know. Do I have anything in my eighth house?

Jordan 42:14

I don't think so.

Ember 42:15

I don't think so either.

Jordan 42:16

That's your Taurus. Do you have any Taurus, please?

Ember 42:19

I don't think so. No, right? No.

Jordan 42:21

Okay, and it's also two planets in the eighth house.

Ember 42:25

Uh-huh. No, it's associated um in natural houses with Scorpio, so a water sign. And I really like the idea of transformation associated with Scorpio. I think it'll be fun when we do the Zodiac deep dives to like learn more about them.

Jordan 42:43

Um I am excited about that, yeah.

Ember 42:46

Yeah, and I think I think this is where the conversation between I so I laugh that I'm like, sex is in the eighth house. I truly think it it depends on like what kind of sex you're talking about. I think if you're talking about like self-pleasure, or like you're talking about casual sex or um, I don't know, not like deep intimacy. I think intimacy falls into the eighth house, whereas five is more of that like superficial casual kind of vibe, which I guess is now being like reaffirmed when you say that it's also like casual dating, that kind of like reaffirms my thought of okay, also casual sex. And I think the eighth house includes like kink as well, and so these like these deeper explorations of who we are and these experiences that may be like transformative for us. So I think I think if someone were to ask me, like, can you tell me about my sex life? I'd have to ask them a lot of questions about like what exactly they want to know. Okay.

Jordan 43:55

So pulls out my Rebuttal. Okay. So yeah, so we said like I think this is the one that we disagree the most on. Who cares? Um traditionally this house rules death and like other people's money. So this rules debt, taxes, inheritance. It is your partner's money. This has to do with loss and grief. This house has also been connected to the occult before. I tried to look into like where that stems from and I didn't really find anything too specific other than the fact that like it has the connection to death. And so a lot of occult studies deal with death, but it's occult studies also deal with things outside of death. So I think you can find occult in other houses too.

Ember 44:43

Yeah, I can I could buy that for sure. Because it again, it depends on the like what aspect of the occult you're talking about.

Jordan 44:49

Yeah.

Ember 44:49

Like if you were talking about ritual, I would probably put that in the sixth house.

unknown 44:53

Yeah.

Jordan 44:54

Or ninth house, yeah. I say that this house rules fear and anxiety. And the eighth house has been has had some connection with like psychology. And like like I said, like I personally think that's more of like fear that comes in with like the psychology. I like if someone if someone asked me about their psychology, like I would look at the whole chart. I wouldn't look at just the eighth house. Agreed. I agree with that. I I definitely think kink is in the fifth house. I don't put taboo. Like if I put it in the eighth house, it would be because it's a hidden house. Like I would probably put taboo in the other hidden houses too.

Ember 45:35

Like think like what you feel is taboo, like the types of things you think are taboo would be because that's what like taboo means. Like that, right? Like, what do you find taboo? That would be what I would be reading from that chart in that house.

Jordan 45:47

You know, as I think about it too, I think like the type of astrologer that I am, I don't know if anybody would come to me and say and ask me the question, what does my chart tell me is taboo? Or like what like that just I just don't think that I would attract those kind of people. And so what it like how taboo shows up in the chart is not something I have studied at all. And I'm trying to think, like, how could it show up? And I think it would be like I think I would look at planets that are weak. I would look at planets that don't have a lot of support and then think, do you feel like the I would then ask, like, do you feel like this is taboo kind of thing?

Ember 46:27

Yeah. I think that's fair. I think the way I would use it, I and again, I don't read a lot of charts, but like for my own chart, and I I can't remember, we've probably talked about this before, where like in my eighth house it's Taurus, right? Which is a very like material, um resource-driven like sign. And so for me, what what do I find taboo and out there? It's like um the things that I don't like to talk about necessarily. Money is a definitely a big one. Resources and like admitting what I have in my life is like also feels a little bit like too much to talk about. It's really, it's it's weird. It's like the material side of things. And I don't know if that comes from a place of like just not having a lot of that stuff when I was younger. Um, also then I take that right and I utilize that in a way that you know I dance for money. Like I literally dance for resources, right? Like I get money thrown at me on a stage. So it's like taboo and transformative, and like I don't know. So that's that's kind of how I associate that, right? Whereas if it were, if I had my eighth house in like um, I don't know, if I had my eighth house in there's 11 other signs you can pick which I know, I know, I know. I was trying to think so I could like get an example. I have my eighth house in Gemini. Okay, so eighth house in Gemini, maybe for you, it's like like talking during sex or like communication can be maybe even like a little bit taboo in the sense of like having deep emotional conversations of intimacy, like that communication level, that like deeper level of communication can be feeling like a little bit taboo and like overrated, or talking can be kinky. That's like how I would use it, I guess. That would be my interpretations. Oh, I was just gonna say it, and I and this is just me like going off the cuff.

Jordan 48:21

Yeah, I think thinking about your chart where you have Scorpio's second house in your house of re of resources and the ruler of that house in Virgo in 12th house in a hidden house, which I would also consider just as taboo as the eighth house. To me, that is how I would explain how you feel about money.

Ember 48:39

And then, yeah, I think that's one way to interpret it. I think like that it just strengthens it, like having my like eighth house, but I think like it adds like the kinky aspect to it too. Like where you you would put you said you put kink in the fifth house, right? Okay, yeah, for me, I definitely as far as like kinkiness goes and whatnot, having it in my Taurus sign makes I need a lot of like physical sensation. There's things that like my senses need to be very strongly played into as part of like my pleasure, which seems Taurusy to me.

Jordan 49:15

So that's just how I look at it. I guess the other thing too to bring up is that like traditional astrology does not cover this. Traditional astrology, they did not do chart readings on what your kink was. And so I guess I guess I want to kind of leave it with that point because I don't totally have an opinion. Because there, I guess so a question that I have is like, does a does everything show up in a birth chart? Like, can taboo show up in a birth chart for and like does taboo show up for everyone in a birth chart? And like I don't know.

Ember 49:48

Um I I think it totally depends on your reader, right? That's where your intuition comes in, the style that that person reads, the style that they read in, you know? I think it it depends.

Jordan 50:01

Yeah, fair enough. On to the ninth house.

The 9th House - Religion, Higher Education, and Long Distance Travel

Ember 50:03

What do you know about the ninth house? So the ninth house. Okay, so this is the last house of the third quadrant. So I'm trying to keep these organized in my brain. Yeah, you're doing great. Um, so the ninth house, higher education, philosophy, learning, travel. Yeah.

Jordan 50:21

So I'll go backwards. So with travel, ninth house is like specifically like the long distance travel. So I thought I said third house is like what you could do, what you could go to and come back home in a day. Ninth house is anything above that. As far as learning, it's like specifically higher education. So the third house is like I said, like the grade school, it's classes, like like a small class, I guess. And then the ninth house is that higher education. This can be your attitude towards foreign places and foreign people. This is a house of publishing, teaching, like you said, philosophy, belief systems. This is the house of religion and spirituality. And this is also where astrology is in the ninth house. How do you read astrology?

Ember 51:07

What would you tell about astrology in your chart?

Jordan 51:11

In mine specifically?

Ember 51:12

Or like anybody's like what what does it tell you?

Jordan 51:14

Like, is it like your about your interest in astrology or about like I think it's more of like divination? That's that's been my take on it. And so, like, that's one of those things where I have started to try to say astrology consultations instead of readings, because the idea is that like I can read the chart, like I can decode the language. The consultation part is like you have to be active in this too. You have to, I can I'm telling you what the chart says, but then you have to apply it to your own life. And so I might tell you these things about the ninth house, and then you have to tell me which one of these resonates most with your life, and then I can go in deeper from there. So I probably if someone had ninth house, like you have ninth house placements. I've never told you this means you're an astrologer.

Ember 52:01

Um, but there are spiritual placements. Interesting. Okay, so like it would be, you know, with my moon in the ninth house, that could be that like my intuition may come from just like I may be able to like speak my truth. My intuition might come from a place of like either hearing things or being able to speak speak my intuition out loud. If we're talking about like the ninth house, the moon sign in Gemini.

Jordan 52:31

Yeah, that would be more of uh delineation from it being a Mercury-ruled moon. Okay. Being like, you know, chatty and wanting to talk about it. As far as ninth house, um, it's kind of a hard one because it's be it'd be like intuition through higher education. Maybe like your intuition is stronger when you're learning or it's stronger when you're traveling, or something like that, maybe. Okay. I do I do feel like I look more into the sign though for how my intuition works. So that makes sense. And then um I will say like your ninth house is rules university in higher education, and the ruler of your ninth house is in your house of career, and you work at a university.

Ember 53:09

Yeah, that makes sense. And ninth house would be associated with oh, Sagittarius.

Jordan 53:16

Yeah.

Ember 53:17

Okay. I guess that could be where a lot of people think that Sagittarians like love travel and like is that yeah, because that's a that's a very Jupiter thing.

Jordan 53:26

Oh, we stopped talking, oh crap, we stopped talking about the joys. Um Mars has joy in the sixth house, and the sun has joy in the ninth house. So this is also the house of God. So, like I said, the third house is the house of the goddess, and the ninth house is the house of the god.

Ember 53:44

Because the third house, the moon, had joy in the third house, right? Right.

unknown 53:47

Okay.

Ember 53:49

Why? Why the sun in the ninth house? Why the I mean both, yeah. Like why did the planets experience joy in these places?

Jordan 53:59

I don't know. I actually think some of the house significations came from traditionally where they had their joy. Um, I've heard some explanations, like I said, Mercury's in the first house, and I know that has to do with like we haven't really talked much about sect, but Mercury is neutral when it comes to sect, and it has to do with whether Mercury was rising before or after your sun to determine whether it is diurnal or nocturnal. You don't need to know all that. But the first house is the house where it can be either kind of visually. It could be either, it could be a day planet or a night planet. Third house, all I know as far as why the moon rules there or it has joy there is because it's the house of the goddess. Fifth house, Venus pleasure. Sixth house, I think it's because sixth house also rules accidents and, like I said, illnesses, and Mars being a malefic is like rock on. We love accidents.

Ember 54:51

I feel like Mars is like the to-do kind of planet, like it's like the doing.

Jordan 54:56

That's that's a good one, too. Yeah, Mars is active, takes action.

Ember 54:59

Yeah.

Jordan 55:00

Um, the sun in the ninth house, I think it's just because it's the house of God. Yeah, that's all I know about that. Okay.

Ember 55:08

And now we're entering our last quadrant.

Jordan 55:11

Yeah, so this is the self and the external.

Ember 55:14

So we're going through these, Jordan, and can we like sum up? I know we kind of like went back and forth about a few of them. Can we like sum up the quadrants again so I can wrap my brain around it?

Jordan 55:23

Yeah, and I think I might have said them wrong a little bit earlier. So the first three houses, this is internal and the self. The second quadrant, five, six, and seven. No, four, five, four, five, and six. Yeah, I was like, that didn't sound right. The second quadrant, four, five, and six, this is the other and internal. Houses seven, eight, nine, this is the other and external. 10, 11, 12 is the self and external.

The 10th House - Career and Legacy

Ember 55:53

Okay. I think that makes sense because the 10th house, right, is gonna be our career and our public profile and like social status, and it's associated with cancer. Again, a water sign. Um, this is uh Capricorn. Yours is cancer.

unknown 56:10

Yeah.

Ember 56:10

That makes a lot of sense. Um, earthy. And okay, so we're saying this is self and external. So how like self is viewed by others. Okay, yeah, I see that.

Jordan 56:24

Yeah, I think you got it. Yeah, this is your career, your vocation, it's your legacy is in the 10th house. Um, this is how you show up to the public. So celebrities, you would look a lot to their 10th house to see how the public views this celebrity. Um, I said earlier that the that it's debated which parent it rules, but most people kind of most people right now I think view the 10th house as ruling the mother. 10th house is your boss, your employer. Yeah, that's that's it.

The 11th House - Friends and Community

Ember 56:49

That's the 10th house. Okay. And then moving on to the 11th house. Community and friends. And I see the friends as like, I don't know, not those intimate. I think, you know, something we didn't talk about with the seventh house is that I do think there's certain friendships and partnerships that fall under that house. And I think it's like, yeah, those like deeper friendships. I mean, I think you and me would fall under the seventh house for sure, not just because we're like partners in the podcast, but you know, and so I think of friends in the 11th house as like your your circle of people that like surround you, and the same with the community, and so that would be um Aquarius, and so air sign, yeah.

Jordan 57:38

Yeah, I think that's a great way to put it. I think what I tend to say is the seventh house is the friends that you would have deep, intimate conversations privately with. And so like I think of that because, like, you know, we all have our group of friends, but there are some people in that friend group that we wouldn't necessarily go hang out with alone. Um, the seventh house is the people that you would go hang out alone with. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So the 11th house is generally just groups of people. It is sport teams, it is networking. Sports is in the fifth house, but the sport team is in the 11th house. Our coven is an 11th house topic. Um, I've debated where this goes. I have seen in a few charts that I think the 11th house also rules like people's church community. Um, now church itself would be in the ninth house, but I guess the people you meet through church would be the 11th house.

Ember 58:28

I think that makes sense. Like church, like the actual you have the institution of there, and then you have like the people that make up that. Yeah, it's the same as it's the same as the sports, right? You have the sport and then you have like the team that makes up.

Jordan 58:40

Yeah, yeah. Um, and then Jupiter has its joy in the 11th house.

Ember 58:45

That makes me so happy. You're like, this planet has joy here.

Jordan 58:48

Yeah, there's also joy bisect. That's a fun one. We won't do that. Um excited for the 12th house?

The 12th House - Self Undoing, Isolation, and Hidden Things

Ember 58:55

Oh my gosh, I do not understand the 12th house. I'm like, I don't really, is it like endings, past lives, spirituality? It's hidden. So I'm like, this is why I don't understand it. And we've talked about exactly why. Yeah, and this is where my Mars is, which really sucks. Um, because I'm just like, don't get it. So 12th house associated with Pisces, a water sign. Yeah. I don't know. Tell us about the 12th house, Jordan, because this is definitely the one I struggle with the most.

Jordan 59:20

I do think it's because, like, what I've heard someone else say is that the 12th house is just like the hardest to study because it is the most hidden, it's the most secretive. Um, forgot to say this earlier. Oh my god. The eighth house, I said before the sixth house is the bad house, the eighth house is even worse. The 12th house is the worst house. Uh, it is the house of all misfortune, it is the house of self-undoing, so this is a house of addiction, disadvantages you have in life, misery. Um it is the house of isolation, so it's also ruling things that isolate you. So this is this house rules prisons, it rules hospitals, it rules your hidden enemies, so the people that you hate that hate you that you don't know about. It's a very unfortunate house. Um, it rules secrets, things you don't know, things that people don't know about you. More modernly, it rules the subconscious, it rules, it's another house that rules spirituality. Um I think what I've kind of liked to say too is because like ninth house rules spirituality, and I kind of think 12th house does too. I like to see it as the ninth house rules, I guess like my public spirituality, like the things that I talk about, that I do with other people, and that kind of starts to get into 11th house a little bit too. But the 12th house is the spirituality that we all hold privately, um, that we don't share with other people, and not just like in a I've never talked about this that makes it 12th house, but just like the time that I like, you know, that we spend alone meditating or writing, like that is something that I also kind of see as 12th house.

Ember 1:00:56

It's interesting. I feel like for me, I've looked at it as the ninth house is like religion and philosophy, and the 12th house is spirituality. But I think it's because I like associate the spirituality with that like personal experience, you know what I mean? Whereas like the religion, right, would be the the ninth house. And then like, like if we were talking about like the church, I guess, which whatever what do I know about the church? Temple, I'm a little Jewish girl. Um, so like it would be like the actual place of worship would be where would that be? Like, where would like the actual church itself be? I'd put that in ninth house. Okay, yeah. So ninth house, the religion, like the Judaism as an aspect, but then like the group, like the people that you're studying with or the people in the congregation would be 11th house, and then your own personal faith and spirituality would be the 12th house, is how.

Jordan 1:01:48

Yeah, so you could view this as like your relationship to God or whatever. And I think that's a little bit one, huh? Or gods. Yeah. Oh, yeah, gods too. Um, I think that's a little bit one. It goes into like how you read, because again, this is one of those ones where I do think I lean a little bit more modern. Um, I guess I just don't, I don't know. Like I said, like traditional astrology has such dramatic, I mean, everything has really dramatic words, but traditional astrology has so few words, and they're so dramatic that like I said, like I think the big words traditionally for this house are self-undoing and misery. That's so intense. It sucks. And I this is like a house, this is like the one unfortunate house that I don't have any placements in. Um, the ruler of that house for me is very upset. But I don't know, it's kind of the one where I'm like, it can't just be misery, can it?

Ember 1:02:38

I agree with that. I think I also think past lives go here too. Oh, right.

Jordan 1:02:43

That is another one people talk about, yeah. Um yeah. So people say the life right before this one.

Ember 1:02:48

Oh, yes. And then, you know, so the subconscious, I think, could be I I guess that that like hidden subconscious, I don't know, maybe intuition falls here too. I'm not sure.

Jordan 1:03:02

Some people say this is also where your prenatal development lives. Because it's the house before you were born. Oh. Interesting. Yeah, and that's another one that's probably really too hard to study to like make a significant claim on it.

Ember 1:03:18

Yeah, I guess it'd be interesting to hear from like a mother's perspective of like how their pregnancy went and like, yeah, and then like then go to the baby's chart. That's really that gets wild.

Jordan 1:03:33

And then um Saturn has its joy in this house. Unsurprising.

Ember 1:03:38

Right?

Jordan 1:03:41

It's like misery, yes.

Ember 1:03:43

That was really good, Jordan. I think I like have a much a very I have like a good grasp, I think, on these, and this was interesting to talk about. I think like we have our if if you want to add some of your keywords to this, I can make us like some sort of study guide or something like that. Yeah, that'd be helpful for me too.

Jordan 1:04:01

Good. I'm glad. Yeah, this was fun to talk about. I can talk about astrology all day.

Ember 1:04:06

Yeah, and if any parts of this conversation are hitting you, bringing up questions or are you team fifth house or team eighth house? Please add in the comments, let us know. Uh, because we would love to continue this conversation on the socials.

Reflect on the Houses in Your Chart

Jordan 1:04:43

So we want to leave you with something to reflect on and something to do. So, Ember, give us something to reflect on.

Ember 1:04:49

I think reflecting on each of the houses in your chart and sitting with them is a really, really important, crucial step if you're interested in learning your own astrology. So you could start very broad and just think about the themes of each house and how they resonate in your life. So I would recommend journaling like one or two sentences about maybe your family life, you know, if we want to talk about the fourth house. And well, let's start with one. Let's just go through one and like how does the self reflect for you? How does money and resources reflect and like what those themes bring up? And then after that, the next step would be looking to see if there's any planets, asteroids that might be present in those houses. So, like, just make a note of that, right? After that, if that's feeling comfy, then going on to see like how the themes of those planets show up in the areas of your life would be like the the next level of starting to understand your chart as a whole. What about something to do, Jordan?

New Game: Which House??

Jordan 1:05:48

Or something to do, I think you can start to integrate this into your everyday vernacular. So, and I think it'll be easier once we get through the signs as well. But if you've been listening to the podcast, then you know the planets. And now you have met the houses. So when you're going throughout your day, think to yourself like what house does this activity belong in? And you can debate a couple houses in your head, and that will start to help you remember these more and more. And then, you know, once you've connected them into your real life, the neural pathways get strengthened. Um so for example, before this episode, I just watered my plants. What house does watering my plants belong in? My plants are a part of my home, so maybe fourth house. Watering them is a regular responsibility, so maybe sixth house. Plants provide cleaner air, so maybe second house as they're a resource. A spiritual connection to plants, maybe in the ninth house. And I think because I said watering them specifically, I would probably land this in the sixth house. But now Ember and I are going to play this game together. So she has not seen these. And I'm just gonna give you a few things, and I want you to tell me what house you'd put these in. There's not really a right or wrong answer.

Ember 1:07:00

There's not really, but there might be.

Jordan 1:07:03

You know, I did have a lot harder of a time coming up with these because each one I wrote, I was like, I know which house this is. So I'm gonna try my best.

Ember 1:07:12

And I wanted, I do want to reiterate, despite Jordan and I joking, that a lot of these things there is debate, and it does depend on the reader of like what feels right, of where things follow along, right? Like there's a list and there's like expectation, kind of like when you're reading tarot, right? When there's like definitions of the cards, right, that we know, but there's also that like under level of interpreting with your intuition, and that's really important to do, especially if something feels really powerful and strong to you. I'd say go for it. Like if that's what you believe and and think. And as you've heard from our conversations today, it's not all black and white.

Jordan 1:07:52

So the first one, and this isn't lightning round, take your time. Grocery shopping. I would put that in the sixth house. Yeah, I think you have to specifically because it's shopping, but like groceries are second house.

Ember 1:08:05

Yeah, but this is still game to me.

Jordan 1:08:09

I'm like, oh um, this one's also boring. Cleaning. Also sixth house. Meal prepping.

Ember 1:08:19

I think I would put that that's really tricky because like it also feels like six house. It does. It does feel like I know this is really hard to come up with stuff. I was gonna say six, but I could see it also being like your second house because you're prepping these like resources for yourself to get through the week. But sixth house, because like meal prepping is also associated in my brain with like healthy. So I'm like, oh health and like chore. Gardening. I think I would put that in like the fourth house because it's I associate it with home and beautifying the home. And yeah.

Jordan 1:08:59

This one I had a few I thought of. It's obviously it could be under chores again, like sixth house. If you're like farming, that would probably be second house, but it could also be sixth house because it's work. Um, fourth house is a good one. I also thought fifth house, if you're doing this, is like this is a hobby that you love to do. Oh, yeah. I yeah, for sure.

Ember 1:09:16

I mean, it could even be if it's part of your spiritual practice, right? Yep. Could be what that would be ninth house or twelfth house. Yeah, yeah. I would say ninth house. Burlesque. Ooh, fifth house. Yeah. Um, I want to add with the burlesque, it's fifth house for me, but for somebody who it's like their career, there could it could definitely be their tenth. Like actual.

Jordan 1:09:40

Yeah, especially if you have like the ruler of your tenth in your fifth or vice versa.

Ember 1:09:44

Yeah, like 10th house, I think for a lot of burlesque people I know, it would be their 10th house. Um, because it's like their career, their job. For me, it's definitely where I express my creativity and I get a lot of pleasure from dance, and it's not my main job or career, so needed to caveat that.

Jordan 1:10:02

Okay, so this next one does have a correct answer, and I would not expect you to get this cool, your in-laws. Would that be your seventh house? No, but it it is connected to the seventh house. Your eighth house? No, your in-laws are your tenth house. What? Yeah. This is another technique where it's called derivative houses, where you take a house and you derive the other houses from it. So your seventh house is your spouse, and then in your own chart, you are the first house, your parents are your fourth house. Seventh house is your spouse, the fourth house from the seventh house is your tenth house.

Ember 1:10:58

Oof. Okay, I get it. But that's like I feel like that's people being really bored and being like, let's do math, and like, oh my goodness.

Jordan 1:11:10

Yep. So 10th house is your in-laws, uh, ninth house is your sibling, like your siblings-in-law. Because that's also where that's where um the eighth house ruling your partner's resources, that's where that comes from, because it is the second house from your seventh house.

Ember 1:11:27

Oh, that makes sense. Even though it's stupid.

Outro!

Jordan 1:11:32

And then also, too, with the um, with the fourth and tenth house ruling, this, I guess it kind of goes a little bit more into like too traditional for today. But the fourth and tenth house ruling your parents, where let's just say the fourth house is the father, the father's spouse is the tenth house. So seventh from the fourth. Yes. And if you have any comments or questions, we love hearing from you on our Patreon. And we are loving this process of building a community of astrology like-minded, no, not like-minded, of students, of friends. Of friends. It's linked in the show notes. Ha ha ha. I was trying to like transition myself to the next line. Okay. This podcast is my practice of asking big questions, uncovering the hidden truths, and creating an accessible space for others to do the same.

Ember 1:13:03

And I'm so grateful to be learning and discussing things alongside Jordan and all of these.

Jordan 1:13:11

Sharing our second house resources.

Ember 1:13:15

And I'm so grateful to be learning alongside Jordan in our ninth house and sharing our resources in our second house and diving into what it means to connect with the cosmos. Thank you so much for being part of our journey, and we'll see you back in the study room every other Tuesday.