#31 - Neurodiversity, Sexuality, and Fourth Wing: Enter At Your Own Risk

This week on The Astro Study Room, Jordan and Ember are having a completely unplanned and unscripted conversation. We just let the cards and spirit tell us what to talk about. For the first time ever, we also do our pre-show oracle card pulls within the episode. We hope this was a fun way to get to know us more. Let us know what you think of this kind of episode!

We will see you back in the study room on August 18th where we will be continuing our deep dive into the zodiac signs. Next up is Virgo!

Transcript

Ember 0:18

Hey

Welcome And How To Connect

Ember 0:19

star students, welcome back to the Astro Study Room. I'm Ember Fay, your friendly neighborhood Fire Fairy Witch.

Jordan 0:25

And I'm Jordan, a university librarian by day and a dedicated astrology student by night. And yes, welcome back to the Astro Study Room.

Ember 0:33

Our goal for this podcast is just to feel like a group of badass, awesome students gathering together to explore, reflect, question, and connect with the cosmos. No matter where you're at in your spiritual or astrology journey, learning is a forever game. Growth is cyclical, and curiosity is sacred. And we are so happy you're here to wander around the universe with us. So if you'd like, grab your notes and pens or just bring yourself and an open mind.

Jordan 1:00

Whether you identify as an astrologer, a witch, a wizard, a mystic, a spiritual seeker, or simply a curious human, you belong here. This is a study room for all of it and for everyone. Every other Tuesday, we will be exploring different astrology and spiritual topics, sometimes teaching, sometimes reflecting, and sometimes just chatting and wondering out loud together, like today where we're gonna have a completely random episode. If you're into it, we'd love for you to subscribe, leave us a review, and just know you can always come hang out with us in the study room.

Ember 1:27

Heck yes. Yeah, we don't even know what this episode's about yet. You can follow us at the Astro Study Room on Instagram and TikTok. And as a reminder, we are also live on YouTube. So if you're more of a visual person, want to see our beautiful faces, you can check us out there. And Jordan, how can our listeners get an incredible astrology reading with you?

Jordan 1:49

I do natal chart and solar return consultations where we can talk about what your soul intents for you for this lifetime. And I also offer cosmic check-ins where we can talk about any current transits going on, or if you want any dedicated time to ask any specific questions about your chart or specific transits happening. What about you, Ember?

Ember 2:06

I'm on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube under Ember Fay Magic, and you can sign up for my newsletter or take my free quiz on discovering your sensual shadow archetype on my website. And speaking of the quiz, I do have some incredible archetype workbooks that I've created to help you dive deeper into your sensual shadow, which are also available at the website. And all of these are linked in the show notes.

Why We Are Going Unscripted

Jordan 2:30

So before our iconic buckle up star students line, we're just gonna quickly introduce what we're gonna talk about today, which is that we really don't know it all. Um, we decided to do a completely unplanned episode and just see what happens. One, this is good practice for us and just like chatting without a script. And two, just curious what the spirits have in store for us.

Ember 2:51

Yeah, I'm pretty excited. This is like kind of a not that like I feel like we get on tangents all the time, but usually it's like, hey, we know we're gonna talk about like the tarot card for Leo and like all these things. And now it's just like we're gonna have a you guys basically just get to hang out with me and Jordan, and you should feel awesome about that.

Jordan 3:10

Yeah. So buckle up star students, class is officially out, and the study room is in session.

Ember 3:35

So before

Pulling Cards For The Vibe

Ember 3:36

every episode, we've like kind of talked about this before, but um we're gonna do it with you now live. Jordan and I always pull a card and we will talk about like what we think might come up during the episode that relates to the card. So, you know, this is like on the fly. Jordan, what deck are you reading from?

Jordan 3:54

I always read from typically the same two. So I will read from, and if you're on YouTube, you can see what I'm about to show you. I read from the Star Codes Astro Oracle. This is my staple. I use this every episode. And then whichever seasons of the witch oracle that we're in. So right now I'm using the Litha deck.

Ember 4:11

Do you have all of the seasons oracle decks?

Jordan 4:14

I do, yeah.

Ember 4:15

Oh, I'm so jealous. I've no I don't have them all. I do have Llamas, actually. I should have brought that.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

I have actually surprised. Why don't you have them all?

Jordan 4:29

Why don't I have them when you don't?

SPEAKER_00 4:31

I don't know.

Jordan 4:32

You have the tarot one.

Ember 4:35

I have the tarot one. I'm excited to get the fall tarot one that's coming out soon. Is that next? Okay. Yeah. Um, I decided, so I am also reading from a Lorraine Anderson deck. Uh, it just happens to be the Witching Our Oracle deck. That's kind of what was like calling me. Awaken your inner magic.

Jordan 4:53

You have not read Fourth Wing, right?

Ember 4:55

No.

Fantasy Books And Audiobook Debates

Jordan 4:56

Well, Fourth Wing is coming out with the tarot deck, and I it's gonna be 2027, but I am so excited. I will be I will be getting to know that deck.

Ember 5:07

Jordan is a full-time Fourth Wing fan.

Jordan 5:09

Seriously, I should add that to my intro, a dedicated Fourth Wing fan.

Ember 5:13

I just keep waiting for all the books to come out. I'm like one of those people.

Jordan 5:16

I literally have the fun as like being in the hype of it. Like the the excitement with everyone of like the theorizing together and like the excitement for the new books coming out. Hi. Hi. Hi. I'm currently listening to Dungeon Crawler Carl. Are you? I was Brendan's read it and I was going to. I don't think I'm gonna like it, but everyone's reading it, and I love a hyped book, so I was considering reading it.

Ember 5:42

So obsessed. It was it was like 2017 that the first book came out. It's like older. Yeah. Um, and there's definitely some things that like don't necessarily translate as well. It's written absolutely for the male gaze, but I'm still kind of obsessed with it. It's essentially just like the so the audiobook is amazing. So we're listening to it. And uh what is his name? Jeff.

Jordan 6:09

I just know Princess Donut.

Ember 6:11

Yeah, Jeff Hayes, who's an actual voice actor, does all the voices for the audiobook, and it actually feels like you're like in it, like it's a TV show, and it's amazing and so funny.

Jordan 6:24

Have you heard of graphic audios?

Ember 6:26

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of graphic audios.

Jordan 6:30

Which ones have you tried?

Ember 6:31

Um oh gosh, I don't even remember.

Jordan 6:37

I haven't loved the Avatar ones.

Ember 6:40

I haven't.

Jordan 6:41

Oh, was it? But might I really recommend the fourth wing ones?

Ember 6:44

Really? I just get so like it's too loud and crazy for me. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Okay, yeah.

Ember 6:51

They just I think it like sends it does something special to my ADHD and like neurodivergence. I'm like, ah, it's too much. Like, I mean the card.

Jordan 6:59

I do love a full cast for sure. But I I know there are some that are full cast that aren't graphic audios.

Ember 7:04

I do, yeah, I do love when there's like different narrators. Jeff Hayes does such an incredible job being the narrator for like all these different characters, and there's a TV show coming out on Peacock, and he is narrating Princess Donut. So, anyways, this is my my entire threads account has now been dedicated to Dungeon Crawler.

Jordan 7:27

Oh my gosh.

Ember 7:28

Yeah, I know it's like witch stuff and then Dungeon Crawler, and I have all these Dungeon Crawler friends now that I talk to.

Jordan 7:35

I found a community anyway.

Mars Themes And A Board Interview

Jordan 7:39

Um, okay, I'll show a card first. So the astrology card I got, and you can look on the screen. Well, you can do it while I'm talking. Was I picked Mars?

Ember 7:49

Oh, interesting.

Jordan 7:51

Yeah, so the first thing I'm gonna think about before we started, and we tried to keep our conversation relatively short before this, so that we could because this is all the stuff that we talk about before we start. Um, we talked a bit about your Mars and how that might be relevant for you now. I even talked about it in your solo return reading, uh, because your birthday was very recently. It was. It was. You're you've made it another solar return. Yay!

Ember 8:15

Good for me.

Jordan 8:16

Yeah. My Mars is zero degrees of Gemini in eighth house, combust, extremely combust. Um so maybe that'll be relevant later.

Ember 8:28

We didn't really talk. I'm trying to remember from the solar return reading that you did. We you talked about Mars very briefly because what did it was it doing something with my moon?

Jordan 8:42

Um I think it was squaring your Venus and then in the solar return, it was square they were squaring but in each other's sides.

Ember 8:50

Yeah, so I remember you saying something about my Mars squaring with something in Virgo. Um, but now I don't remember what that would be under. What? Did you pick a card? Oh no. Please hold. I always like to take a breath before I do my card pull, and now I'm like very conscientious because this is on the recording, but if you don't know, I do daily card pulls on my Amberframe Magic account and our Astro Study Room account. That's fun. Enter at your own risk.

Jordan 9:40

How interesting. I feel like there's something between the Mars and that. Actually, I was gonna say this card too. So the other one I pulled from the Litha deck was lemonade. And it says, make the most of your situation by opening your mind to new possibilities. And I pictured a door.

Ember 9:59

Entering? This is saying pause at the door.

Jordan 10:03

Yeah. This one is saying go forward. This one's saying like be optimistic, I guess, is what mine is saying.

Ember 10:10

Now I will say this made me think of, and we had to stop ourselves from talking about it earlier, but the the Association for Young Astrologers is Oh yeah, tell me, yeah, tell tell us about that, Jordan, because I'm like super excited for you.

Jordan 10:24

They're just one of the the astrological organizations. This one caters to younger people. Um, and they put out a call for board applications. They need a board historian and I think a board outreach coordinator or something. And I applied for the board historian. And I have like I I kind of imagine I almost like was afraid to talk about this too because like I don't know if they're gonna like listen to this episode, but maybe it'll come out afterwards. Um I kind of imagine there's not like tons of people applying. Um, and if there are, I mean, I have historian types, the things that they were looking for, I have that all in my resume.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Hell yeah, you do.

Jordan 11:08

Yeah. Um, and I don't know if I want to do it, it's a volunteer thing. Like you wouldn't be getting paid for it. So like I don't know if I want to do it.

Ember 11:15

Did they offer it to you?

Jordan 11:17

No, not yet. Okay. But I was like, even when I applied, I was like, I don't really even know if I want to do this because I don't want to do it for free. Um, but I'd like to be more involved and like it could lead to other opportunities that could be cool. But again, I hate working for free. Um so they just emailed me like while we were talking asking for an interview. I happen to not be available at the time that they offered, so I'll have to get back to them on that. Um, but I'm still on the fence of like, I don't know if I really want to do it or not. Um, and this said, open your mind to new possibilities and enter at your own risk. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know what to do with that.

Enter At Your Own Risk Choices

Ember 12:02

Yeah, um, neither do I. There's been so many changes and weird things happening in my life that I'm just like, this is so look at this little like monster guy, just like it's like the horned god waiting for her to enter through. Which, like, I think there's something to be said about honestly this card and entering at your own risk, right? Like, it sounds really scary. It sounds like oh, beware, like, oh, scary. But I think really all it's saying is before we leap in and make decisions about things to like pause and think about it right now. Which I already do that a lot.

Jordan 12:40

I don't know if you do, but yeah, yeah. I said I don't know. I literally know that you don't. We we talk about this frequently.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

So it's a little reminder to me. Maybe I maybe I just need to like pause before making any big changes in my life.

Jordan 12:55

We have a joke because like anytime like we have an idea for something, like especially in relation to the podcast or something, I I'll be like, that sounds cool. Let's like let's sit on this for a while, let's think about the logistics, let's make a plan. And you're like, I've emailed everyone already. I have already reached out to every person that could possibly be involved in this project. No, that's what I've really appreciated about working with you though. I so agree though, because we both we totally need that balance. I I totally like appreciate that you do that, and then hopefully what we meet in the middle in the middle in a great way.

Ember 13:31

I know. No, I I do, and sometimes I just get so excited or I'm in the moment, and like I think a lot of it's also like an ADHD thing where it's like on my mind right now, and I know that if I don't do it right now, it'll take me like six months to do it.

Neurodivergent Or Neurotypical Question

Jordan 13:45

Do you think I'm neurodivergent? I've been asking people this.

Ember 13:51

I want to say yes. I don't know.

Jordan 13:56

Okay, why do you think so?

Ember 14:00

I just assume everyone is neurodivergent.

Jordan 14:06

So Elise in The Magic Kitchen in the recent episode, they were it's an episode about neurodivergence in witchcraft, and she talked about there was a point where she said everyone in my coven is neurodivergent, and I I don't identify as neurodivergent. I'm not offended by it by any means, but I don't identify with it. Um and I was wondering, like, oh, am I being perceived as neurodivergent? And I asked Catherine, and she also said yes.

Ember 14:29

I mean, yeah, like I would not put Catherine as neurodivergent.

Jordan 14:36

She said that she I mean, I don't want to speak for her, but essentially she said like she thinks that ADHD runs in her family.

Ember 14:45

I think we all just like have diverged from whatever the neurotypical I think I'm very neurotypical.

Jordan 14:56

I think I'm so normal. I think like any focus issues I have, I think have come exclusively from getting a TikTok. And as far as like I don't know, I know a lot of people talk about like how they did in school, and I think like the American school system was set up for people whose brains work like mine, which I assume is neurotypical. Um, I did very well with the way that school is structured. I do like obsess over things, but I don't know if that like is enough to be to identify with neurodivergent, because I think everyone has something that they're obsessed with, but then you know it's a spectrum, so like we're all on it somewhere.

Ember 15:33

Yeah, I don't know, Jordan. I it's I've always just thought like the way you fixate on things and become like really obsessive with them. That would have been like my I I see that I do. You're also a very blunt person, which I don't know. And I guess I didn't know that. Yeah, I think so.

Jordan 15:52

You know, I will say I what happened? This was a few years ago. I can't remember what sparked this. And it's like the story is not gonna be as funny if I can't remember what sparked it. But I was like talking to like a a friend I've had for a very long time since high school, and I think I I think I told her like, I think I'm more mean than I realize. And she's like, Oh, you're very spicy. And I was like, Am I? Like, have I just always been perceived as like a mean person? And then this was recent. I listened to, it's actually not as bad as I thought it was the first time, but I posted this uh video of me when I was like 17, 18 playing piano, and I have my friends in the background, and they're like interrupting me and making noise, and I yell at them. And I posted this. I I would never say you're mean. And I don't think anybody would, but I'm definitely like there's like a a joke on TikTok of like the mean wife, like or the slightly mean wife. I'm I'm the slightly mean wife for sure.

Ember 16:56

Oh my god, are you my slightly mean wife?

Jordan 16:59

I could be. I totally could be.

Ember 17:01

I'm not a slightly mean wife.

Jordan 17:04

Ever so slightly mean. Punish me, baby. No, not no, I don't know. Sorry, mom. Um, but I don't know. I guess there is like I don't know. I I never identified as blunt, but I do think like I will say like I'm I'm definitely not a person who says things I don't want to say says things that I don't mean. Like, yes, I I I would say that, but um, I don't compliment people for the sake of complimenting. I don't say really I don't say really nice things unless like I'm really moved to say it. Um maybe that is neurotypical and I just don't know it.

unknown 17:45

I don't know.

Ember 17:46

You have so many neurodivergent friends. I'm so wait, I'm Googling what neurotypical means. Like, what is like the definition of neurotypical? Okay. So neurotypical is a non-medical term describing individuals whose brain development processing and behaviors align with dominant societal norms and contrasts with neurodivergent. They automatically pick up on unspoken social rules and nonverbal cues. They tolerate standard environmental input like sounds, lights, and textures without major overload, and they manage transitions, focus shifts, and developmental milestones in ways that are expected by standard peer groups. I am not none of those things. I do pick up on social rules and nonverbal cues pretty well, probably like extra well, but I think I do those things, all those things. Maybe you're neurotypical.

Jordan 18:42

I think I mean I identify as neurotypical. Huh.

Ember 18:49

I just assumed.

Jordan 18:51

Apparently, everyone is.

Ember 18:54

We need to poll the coven after this.

Jordan 18:56

I know. I feel like, well, now I've asked you and Catherine, and now I feel like I need to message everyone individually. Do you think I'm neurodivergent? They're all probably gonna say yes, I guess. At this point, I'm gonna guess. If you and Catherine said yes, and Elise already said it, I'm I'm gonna assume everyone would say yes. Do you identify as neurodivergent people who are listening? Drop it in the comments. Message us with your mental disorders. Okay, that not saying neurodivergence is a mental disorder, but I was thinking about it because in that episode too with Elise, they said um Gen Z identi Gen Z introduces themselves with their name, their their diagnosis, and their sexuality. Is that real? I mean, it's like a joke, but not literally, no. Look at you not picking up or is it me? Am I not like expressing them well?

SPEAKER_00 19:49

I remember I have ADHD and generalized depression.

Ember 19:53

My mom's gonna be like, you can never pick up on sarcasm. Hey, you messed up my thing.

Jordan 19:58

Yeah, I'm so sorry about that. If you want to say it again, I'm not gonna cut this out for the bit, but roll it again. Go. No,

Sexuality Labels And Honest Stories

Jordan 20:08

it's too late. I am Jordan, I have PTSD and I am straight. But also, sexuality is a spectrum. I will say, I did play around for a little bit with the idea of like, like I still would identify as straight, but I was like, you're straight. I'm really glad that I'm not straight coated. Like that is such a compliment.

Ember 20:34

I wait, I just like assumed queer. Like, I don't know. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

I'm so glad you identify as queer. No. Like my who are you? Who is this person I've been podcasting with every other week for a year? Queer.

Jordan 21:03

That's good. That's good stuff. Um, so there is this fun story. My mom will laugh at this. So my mom has always been uh very, very like on the progressive side for her age and everything and for people. And um a big thing for her was queer rights. So I was also I was raised in a household that was big on queer rights. And oh, I thought you said wait. Um, I said A. And so she was always like, she makes this joke that she was always like ready and prepared for one of her kids to come out as gay, and she was like, she had the script ready of how she was like ready to accept them with open arms and how like she is so happy that they're gay. And what happened was when I was like 12, I had a girlfriend, but I was like, I'm not gay though. And my mom was like, This was not in the script, I don't know how to handle this.

SPEAKER_00 21:59

Maybe. You're just like homo romantic.

Jordan 22:03

You know, I've really so one this is a thing. That person that I dated, and you know, this is like 12-year-old dating. I thought that they were a boy when I met them. And now they have come out as transgender and do identify as a man.

Ember 22:19

Oh, you like saw their soul.

Jordan 22:23

Um and then there was a point for a little bit where I was like, like I said, like sexuality is a spectrum. Um, like I do think women are hot. I do enjoy, I love looking at women. I love looking at women naked clothed. And so I was like, that's gay. That sounds kind of gay. And like I don't feel the desire to really touch women the way that I do a man. So I was like, but I was like, it's still a spectrum though. Like there's still some sexual feelings happening there. And then what I started to realize too was like, I think I'm really attracted to like masculinity. Like I really like I love like I'm definitely more attracted to like a woman, like a masked woman. Um, but then I was talking to some of my friends who are lesbians, and we were talking about things that like we it was specifically Once Upon a Time. Did you watch Once Upon a Time? Oh my gosh, yes.

Ember 23:12

Oh my gosh, hook.

Jordan 23:13

Yeah, so I had a big crush on and I was re-watching it. This was a couple years ago. I was re-watching it, and I was like, Regina is so hot. And I was like messaging my friends, it was one friend, this one friend who is a lesbian and was also really obsessed with Once Upon a Time. Um, she's met the whole cast. And I was like, oh my god, Regina's so hot. Like, I didn't know this. And she was like, she was basically like, she was like, all I ever thought about was Regina. And I was kind of like, okay, that didn't come naturally to me. Like I definitely only looked at Hook. I did not look twice at Regina. So I don't think I'm inherent, like I don't think I was born gay by any means.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

That is your that is like your um that's it.

Jordan 23:57

That's and I have another friend who later-ish in life, as in like late 20s, came out as bisexual. And even like talking to her about, and I would say I think she has a preference towards men, but even like the things that she has talked about the way that she looks and feels about women is so different from how I look and feel about women.

Ember 24:16

So I mean that's fair. I think there's so many spectrums. Like there are talked about like for real, like homo like feeling homo romantic or like heteromantic, so like having romantic feelings towards like a woman or a man exclusively, or I don't know. I just I I think at the end of the day, sexuality is a spectrum. There's like you know, demisexual and just to be able to like meet people and develop a relationship and then then have sexual feelings for them, you know, like it's it is a spectrum. I just did not know you were straight, Jordan. Which feels so weird. Like, how is this?

Jordan 25:05

It's funny because I've I've definitely never said that I was gay or queer. I've definitely never said that. So it is it is very funny to me that that that you're that not only did you think that, but that you're so shocked. I can't wait to see my mom's reaction to that.

Ember 25:20

Your mom just being disappointed.

Jordan 25:25

She was so ready with that script. She was so ready with her open arms, and then she was like, My kids are straight. Dang it.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

So you're a straight neurotypical.

Jordan 25:36

I know! I'm not but I am progressive. I wonder if everyone else thinks I'm gay. I'll have to pull the coven now, too. I'm gonna text Catherine right now.

Ember 25:51

I didn't say gay, I just said queer.

Jordan 25:54

Queer, you're right, you're right.

Ember 25:55

And I feel like we have our lovely like sexual spectrum representation in the coven anyway.

Herbalism Teas And Yule Plans

Ember 26:04

So, Jordan, I'm curious. Like, we've been talking a lot about the direction we want the podcast to go in. And I know that you've mentioned that you're interested in herbalism. This is such a hard pivot from talking about our sexuality and neurotypicy. That's not a word, neurodivergence, divergence behaviors. Um, but speaking of your next obsession, herbalism.

Jordan 26:31

Yeah, so it's interesting. I haven't gotten as obsessed, and I think part of me is like I don't know. Part of me is like kind of just trying to like enjoy it as like a hobby and not make it a big thing. But I I imagine naturally that's gonna come. And I honestly still even feel like my version of like I'm not obsessed is probably Oh, that's my cat. I thought it was a spider. Um my version of not super obsessed might be someone else's version of they're obsessed. Um I am still in the stage of memorizing things. Um I've made so good.

Ember 27:07

I suck at that.

Jordan 27:08

I still can't memorize that's that's what I get. That's what I do.

Ember 27:12

I need to sit there and like do it constantly, and then in like a month I'll forget it.

Jordan 27:18

I think I mean I'll I'll forget things eventually if I don't reinforce it for sure. Um but yeah, I've made a few teas. Um, it's definitely not coming as naturally as astrology did, which is fine. Um, and it's making me want to get into like medical astrology more than herbalism. Um, but I am still kind of like trying to enjoy it as like a side hobby. So like that's what's your favorite what's your favorite tea you've made? I've only made um I think it's called oh god, I have to know what the flat- I think it's called Candula. Oh, yeah. But I don't know, is that right? Calendula? Calendula, yes. It's calendula. Yeah, I've been making calendula tea, which is supposed to be for focus. I haven't noticed any difference from it to be honest. Um, and I've bought a bunch of herbs and I have intentions for them, and have not followed through with those intentions yet. Like intentions for brewing them or to like what I want to do. Like I've been learning about infusions and decoctions, and I do want to, after I learn about teas and infusions and decoctions, I'm gonna do syrups. And I do my goal is to make like a cold syrup for the coven at Yule.

Ember 28:30

Oh, I love that. Yeah.

Jordan 28:33

You all need it.

Ember 28:35

Oh, like a cold, like we have a cold. Yes, I thought you meant just like a cold syrup.

Jordan 28:44

For a hot winter day.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

This is my I'm neurodivergent. You're neurotypical. I'm never gonna let you live this town.

Ember 28:57

I'm gonna call you extra neurotypical straight Jordan.

Jordan 29:02

The odd one out.

Ember 29:05

I don't know why I'm so amused by this. I'm sorry. I'll say.

Jordan 29:08

I'm no, it's fun, but I am I am surprised that that got you so much. My mom will be so proud.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

I wonder what we could have called this episode.

Jordan 29:19

I was wondering what co-host AI was gonna say. Is it gonna be like, oh shit, you're straight? I know something like that. Like queer-coated. Queer-coated you're coming out to me, Jordan. Queer-coated, but only likes masked women and don't. Oh my gosh. Um, what's your sexuality? I know you said bisexual, but like where where on all these several spectrums are you?

Ember 29:49

Oh, I think I'm hard bisexual. I think like huh? I probably I do lean more towards men, but I think it's because I'm like nervous as fuck around women. Like women make me so nervous, Jordan. It's crazy. Huh. Like if I have a if I have feelings about a woman, I like turn into a puddle and I'm like, goodbye.

Jordan 30:13

Oh my gosh. I I did see a TikTok too about how like like the majority of the population is straight. So a majority of women are looking for a man. Um, so therefore, there are also just less women, so bisexual people are more likely to end up in a heterosexual relationship.

Ember 30:30

I think I thought, nope, this is just social media, but I feel like most of the world is bisexual. We're somewhere on this spectrum. Or what is I was saying? On the field app, they call it I'm heteroflexible.

Jordan 30:45

Heteroflexible. That's what I thought too. I was definitely like, we're all on a spectrum of like gay to straight, like, and no one's 100% straight. Or like the outliers are 100% straight, and the outliers are 100% gay, but most people are gonna be in the middle.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Oh my god, Jordan, I didn't expect this conversation. I learned so much about you.

Jordan 31:23

No, I didn't either, and I tried, like, I kind of like envisioned what we might talk about, and there are a few ideas I had. One of them was gonna be that we were gonna talk a lot about you. Actually, you in sexuality uh was some was on my I my list of ideas of that things that might come up.

Ember 31:38

Um That was the pre-show conversation. It was, yeah.

Jordan 31:41

I was wondering, I was like, like, obviously, I can't talk about any of that, but I was like, how much of this will ever talk about? What are we gonna talk about next week?

Ember 31:48

We're

Virgo Tease And Final Takeaways

Ember 31:49

gonna talk about Virgo. Virgo.

Jordan 31:52

Baby.

Ember 31:53

Virgo. One that I'm just like, they're just perfectionists, and that's all I know about them.

Jordan 31:58

Yeah, I like Virgo. I really like contrasting Virgo with Mercu, uh, with Gemini. So that'll be fun.

Ember 32:04

Oh, I'll learn more about me.

Jordan 32:06

Of course.

Ember 32:07

Today was a really fun conversation. We hope you enjoyed getting to hang out with us, learn a little bit more about us. But just know that, like whether you're beginning your journey with astrology or spirituality or your sexuality, you're just curious about the universe. We are so happy and grateful that you were here to join us today.

Jordan 32:30

Yes, and if you have any comments or questions or want to hear more about our sexuality, we love hearing from you. So please message us. We are loving the process of building a community of astrology students. Everything we do and offer is linked in the show notes. We hope you enjoyed this episode as much as we love talking about it. I definitely want to do more of these random conversations because this was a lot of fun. And I hope This was fun! Yeah, and I hope you got to know us in a different way. Um, but next time we will be bringing back our regular scheduled program, like we said, with our deep dive into Virgo. This podcast is my practice of asking big questions, uncovering the hidden truths, and creating an accessible space for others to do the same.

Ember 33:04

And I'm so grateful to be learning alongside Jordan and all of you, sharing our resources and diving into what it means to connect with the cosmos. Thank you for being part of this, and we'll see you back in the study room every other Tuesday.