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Finding Light After Lost Worlds: Coping with Entertainment Withdrawal
Have you ever finished an amazing book, game, or movie and felt that strange emptiness afterward? That moment when the credits roll or you turn the final page, and suddenly there's a void where adventure once lived? This week, we're diving deep into what we call "post-entertainment depression" – that fascinating emotional crash that follows our most immersive entertainment experiences.
Two dudes, good vibes, endless possibilities that is our motto here at High Topics, and we welcome everyone to another special episode, and today we're gonna be diving into a really fun topic that I think, to some degree, everyone could relate to, don't you think, kyle? I fully agree, and so, before we do that, though, let's jump right into the news of the week. For me, my first news of the week, kyle, and I hope it's not one that you have listed. If it is, then you know we can discuss it even further, but I'm a big James Bond fan, as you know. A couple weeks ago, we talked about the game that I'm really excited for, but now we've got some really exciting news.
Speaker 2:Is it the actor?
Speaker 1:No, you have the actor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so. Oh, my gosh, okay. Okay, I'm excited Share your news, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So my news is actually who the director is, and this has me through the roof excited. Here's why. So a couple movies that I really love are Sicario, and I really love dune. I know that's not one of your favorites, but I really love the first dune, the second dune, and there's a movie that I love from a filmmaker standpoint kyle but I wouldn't say I can go back and watch it a lot and that is prisoners. Well, all of those movies were directed by denis vela. How do you say his name?
Speaker 1:vela, nueva vela I'm not the name guy right, it's hard and but he is actually now officially this is official news directing the next james bond. Why that's amazing for me is with all the movies I just listed dune, prisoners and sicario especially. And then there there's Arrival, which I thought was really good, but it's not one of my favorites either. He knows how to create visceral action. He knows how to create intensity. He knows how to get into the mind of his characters, like Benicio del Toro I'm so bad at names everybody, so forgive me. His character in Sicario is incredible. He's dynamic. There's a mystery to him. There's a lot that honestly parallels to James Bond as a character. Did you see Sicario?
Speaker 2:I have not yet, but it is on my, recommended from you.
Speaker 1:Okay, you need to watch it. It is intense, it's thrilling. And so when I heard this news Kyle, that he is now officially directing the next James Bond my mouth watered as a James Bond fan. For one and two I wanted either. Actually, I didn't think of him, but I really wanted Christopher Nolan to do James Bond because we saw a little bit of his capabilities with what's it called Tenet, yes, where he did kind of a James Bond with like a time travel weird. Like I can never explain that movie. It's so confusing. But I own it as a Christopher Nolan fan, but I don't go back and watch it because it makes no sense to me. So I'm really excited about this news. So that's my first news. What do you feel about that? Denis Villanueva.
Speaker 2:I think that's very cool. His track record definitely, uh, makes me believe that he's up to the task right. So that should be cool. And I think it will be different from the other james bond's movies because he he kind of has that mysterious director artistic vibe with his movies. So that should be really cool.
Speaker 1:And not only that, like he gives the characters room to breathe. I know a lot of people didn't like Dune 1 because it kind of like dragged and dragged. I say, though, when you watch it with Dune 2 back to back, you notice that it gives the characters a lot of room to develop and you kind of know who's who to a point of like you care about them, where some movies rush those things. And even looking at past James Bonds, like that I love a lot of them are more about the action of the mission itself versus taking time to unlock and unravel who he is as a character. James Bond and I know that Denis can do that now and I'm so excited because this pairs perfect with who is playing Mr James Bond Bond, james Bond. So go ahead and let us know this exciting news.
Speaker 2:Okay, so it's not confirmed.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it's a rumor.
Speaker 2:It's the frontrunner based on the director, I believe Okay. This is who he wants.
Speaker 1:I hope it's good Before. Will I like this or will I be angry? I think you won't like it. I won't, or I will.
Speaker 2:I don't think you will. Oh no, okay, but it does fit in with what you're saying, with giving characters room to grow.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Because it is going to be someone young.
Speaker 1:Okay, do you have any?
Speaker 2:guesses of very popular young actors. Oh, popular young actors, yeah, oh no, please tell me, it's not timothy chalamet.
Speaker 1:No, I okay, because he's worked with them and I would not be as happy about it if that was him. Okay, so you're happy about this, I like it. So then I'm gonna say it's taryn egerton from kings. No, that is good okay who else could it be? It's uh tom holland no, I knew you weren't going to like it. Here's the thing. I like him as an actor, but he's Spider-Man to me, so I can't see him now being.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the thing that will help, that is, he has an American accent as Spider-Man. In real life he's English.
Speaker 1:No, that's not my issue, though it's the fact that I've seen him already be kind of that teenager he is British.
Speaker 1:Fact that I've seen him already kind of that teenager, he's british, okay. It's the fact that I've seen him as that teenager, high school like nerdy, like oh that. Now to see him become like the suave ladies man, like I didn't like him as nathan drake either for that reason is he didn't have the gravitas that nathan drake in the games has and it just felt like someone cosplaying as nathan drake. So I hate this news.
Speaker 2:Also, if it's, don't take too much from uncharted, because the whole movie was trash. Everything about it was bad, amen.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I do think that Tom Holland could have that range and we'll get his accent, which we've never really had before.
Speaker 1:Except for interviews. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think it'll be cool and it will separate him from his past roles. Man, I don't like that. This is a very good chance for Tom Holland's acting ability. We know he's good, but it'll be a nice different range that we won't see someone. That's a jokester, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yes, I really don't like it and I know that going the young route is the best way to go. And it's very clear they are, because the game is also a young James Bond, which is sponsored by and looked over by Amazon, who now owns MGM. So therefore they're the head of James Bond from the Broccoli family. So I know that they're gonna go young. Right, we've known that, and then the game that's coming out, that's officially canon, confirms that. But out of all the young actors, honestly I would even take Timotei, who has shown he is a serious actor, like with his Dune character, over Tom Holland.
Speaker 2:Tom Holland I don't like but the problem I have with uh Timothy is when it's I couldn't take him. All the problem I have with Timothy is when it's I couldn't take him serious in the Dune role.
Speaker 1:I love Tim.
Speaker 2:I don't want to see him in more serious roles.
Speaker 1:And is it because of his?
Speaker 2:physique, you couldn't take him serious.
Speaker 1:No, no, that has nothing to do with it, Because he is small right.
Speaker 2:It's just his voice when he's angry. It just feels fake to me, really, oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when he's angry it just feels fake really.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I don't, yeah. So that climactic scene where he was not, it was a, it didn't hit for you. It was the worst scene of the movie for me okay.
Speaker 1:For me, and like the people I was with, it was the best scene, but I respect that it's not going to do it for everyone, right? Um, he is a polarizing actor. He's shown that, and a lot of people hate on his physique, but I'm surprised to hear now someone hates on his voice and how he portrays emotions. That's interesting. I still think. For me, though, I would take him over If he bulked up a little bit, which he is capable of doing, especially with Hollywood magic or otherwise known as steroids that many actors used in the MCU and outside the MCU. I think I would take him over Tom Holland any day. But let me ask you a question how tall is Tom Holland? Do you know off the top of your head?
Speaker 2:No, I'm going to guess 6'11", 6'11", 6'11" Sorry.
Speaker 1:What? 5'11", 5'11"? I'm going to guess that he is 5'8". If I'm being completely honest, he's 5'7". Okay. So no way is he going to be James Bond.
Speaker 2:Well, all the other James Bonds, except for the older ones, were short. Daniel Craig was pretty short, wasn't?
Speaker 1:he. I thought Daniel Craig was at least 6'0". No, Because I swear he was.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure, but just the way he looks, I would think he's shorter. You think he?
Speaker 1:looks short in stature. I think he looks short, but isn't Javier bardem the, the villain who's in the second one about his height? Then isn't he like six one?
Speaker 1:yeah, so daniel craig is uh 5, 10, which is close to six foot right it's close that's a big difference in five seven inch difference, that's huge, because when I stand next to big, yeah, because I'm six four, you're six three, right, yeah, and so us together. We look similar, but when I stand next to someone that's 6 foot 5, 10, I look towered over them to a degree.
Speaker 2:I feel like, and so also width has a big thing to do with that too.
Speaker 1:It does it does well on that news. I mean, I have seen swirls of that being a possibility, but I pray it's not the case. I really do, because he had that one movie, tom holland 2, where you hear the like, the energy of the voices or something I can't remember. I watched like 30 minutes of it and I was like he's not a good actor outside of spider-man, was my thoughts and so. And then we have nathan drake, which I know the script was bad as well so was that?
Speaker 2:so was that sound movie?
Speaker 1:well, as that's what I'm saying, the scripts are bad, but it's like Scripts have a big deal with Can really affect acting ability because, of the director's vision, yes, which, most of the time when it's a bad movie, is what ruins the movie, of course, and I agree to a point, but at the same time the way he portrayed, I don't know. I just that his track record has shown. Maybe he's just bad with his agent at choosing movies so far to show us his acting chops, because I did think he was really good at showing emotion in an infinity war when he had that scene with no way home he was.
Speaker 1:So there is moments like when he's angry, but man, okay, I'm just gonna have to say no on that one, but that's interesting news. Um, my next bit of news is one that has me a little hesitant, but I'm still gonna see. It is jurassic world rebirth is not getting good reviews. The early reactions were excellent, but now that the review embargoes lifted, it's getting fives. It's getting fours. John Campia, one of my favorite media YouTube channels. He said it was bad and he said that when the dinosaurs are on the screen it's really cool. But then there's just so much human stuff that just is garbage. And, as you know, I've been really hyped for this movie, so I'm still gonna see it, I have been too.
Speaker 1:I'm still going to see it. I have been too. I'm still going to see it. But I'm like man. I thought Gareth Edwards who did Rogue One. He did Godzilla 2014, which are both excellent movies, and I know Tony Gilroy came in and helped reshoot some of Rogue One. But it's still to me a Gareth Edwards movie and it shows on the movie credits Gareth Edwards credit, scarrett edwards. But yeah, hearing that he is not able to crack the code to make a successful jurassic world movie has me sad. But I'm still gonna see it and I'll let everyone know what I think because it's yeah, critics can say what they want, but it's really what matters to us and I've liked movies like that.
Speaker 1:Critics hated, and so but yeah it has me bummed, kyle, and it's sad news.
Speaker 2:It's sad Two points. First point is are the bad reviews because there's not enough dinosaurs Like? Is it fully based off the dinosaurs? Second point how hard is it to make a dinosaur movie that people will like?
Speaker 1:So what a lot of them are saying is when the dinosaurs are on screen, it exciting, it's fun. When the humans are on screen, it's bad. It's like a bad movie. Dialogue wise bad movie. Like their motivations, the, the overall plot is bad, and they say that they spend too much time with the humans and you don't care about them, which is surprising, because you got Scarlett Johansson, you got Marshawn Ali whatever you say his name, you have some A-list actors, and the fact that these critics that I personally respect, but I don't always agree with, are saying that you know it's bad. I think that might be actually a further point to prove your point, as I think about it, that Tom Holland has just had bad scripts and maybe he is great and he could play James Bond because, yeah, these are great actors that have shown they know how to act. Marshawn Ali has won an Oscar right For the green book, which is a fantastic movie, great movie.
Speaker 1:Love every second of it. And now they're saying his character in this is corny cheesy bad. So yeah, so I think it's the human stuff, because when the dinosaurs are on screen which they say is not enough, it's amazing.
Speaker 2:That's also what they said about the last one as well.
Speaker 1:And I can agree with that. I can agree with that. Like I said, I actually like, so maybe I will like the human stuff, because I like the human stuff in that one, because I'm attached to Alan Grant.
Speaker 2:I do like the human stuff and you can't just have dinosaurs without a story. Yes, so you need the human stuff. So that's where my mind is going. Right with those bad reviews is do people just expect people to be riding dinosaurs?
Speaker 1:you know, I'm just kidding well, they say like the plot too, like of like people are so bored and used to dinosaurs, just is so campy because it's like and john campia brought up and this isn't spoiling anything, he brought up a really good point in his out of theater reaction where he said you know, we've known our whole lives that there's elephants, lions, like around right, but every time you see one, even in their own habitat, you're kind of in awe, you know, and whether it's at the zoo, going to the Hogle Zoo for us, and it's like so he brings up a fair point that in the movie they try to say that oh, humans are so used and desensitized to dinosaurs existing in their world, and it's like so he says from the very get-go, you're just kind of like it's not believable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1:Because when I still see a lion, I'm still blown away. You know what I mean. So, yeah, that's my second bit of news. With that, what else do you got for us, kyle?
Speaker 2:So my news of the week. I have two. My first one is the long awaited, the glorious, the batman. Part two script is finished. Yes, we're back baby, we are getting it still on track to release next year they moved filming back just a few months. That's good, that's only a few, right? So I think they're doing it end of fall or beginning of December.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So it was originally supposed to start in October.
Speaker 1:And then they just pushed it back to maybe December or maybe like November.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so around there.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Which is fantastic.
Speaker 1:That is actually really fantastic.
Speaker 2:Another that we've talked about is how long the script's been taking Right, and you've always seen it as a negative Right and I've always defended it, especially with his health concerns.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:But it had me thinking the reason the script was probably delayed is because he knew he wasn't directing it, so he probably made it way more detailed for the director, so that way his vision can still come to life Right and that's a good point.
Speaker 1:It hasn't been officially confirmed, though, that he's not directing. That's just kind of the rumor going around that, due to his health, he might not direct. So that brings up a valid point. If that's the case, right, but I feel like either way, kyle, I feel like either way he did take a long time where he's not writing an original movie, because if you're writing an original story, you have to take the time to cook. Right, because it's all coming from your own thought processes, when you're adapting to some degree. Right, using existing, established characters, like in the last movie, riddler, penguin, falcone, catwoman, and in this future one. I actually want to discuss this where we think it might go, because we've talked a little bit about it in the past, but now that it's finished, I'd like to get official predictions down.
Speaker 1:um, but, where he has all these established lore. You're just kind of filling in the gaps with your own take on it. I that's where I feel like me, and I promise I'm not alone.
Speaker 2:There's a mass majority of us that are upset but that take is so invalid because of all the other things that established lore already exists and still take a long time to be made Right.
Speaker 1:Right. So I can't take any of that so like. But like, when you look at, say, from Batman Begins the Dark Knight, it actually wasn't the case that he was just working on that. What has Matt Reeves done besides producing the penguin since the Batman? Nothing, and it's like Christopher Nolan. Nolan did prestige right. He did other projects that he had to write the script for film market, so that's why that went from 2000, end of 2005 to 2008. So it is a valid point. Kyle, like and I'll argue that to the death because of the fact that it's like I get the health stuff that breaks my heart and I hope matt reeves is able to recover fully because as a director I really like him. I'll say that till my face turns blue. I love Rise of the Planet of the Apes. I love Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. I just don't Not Dawn. Sorry, it's Rise and War Because Dawn is another director.
Speaker 2:He did War and Dawn. He didn't do Rise.
Speaker 1:You're right. Okay, so what's the newest one? The newest one is Kingdom. Okay, I was thinking that Don was the Kingdom, but you're right, he did Don and War and I love those movies.
Speaker 2:But I feel like he took too long. Those took a long time to make too.
Speaker 1:Between the two I don't know the years on that Between all three of them.
Speaker 2:So doesn't that show a habit with him? Then yeah, and we get amazing product.
Speaker 1:I think if I was in your shoes, I would feel the same way you do as someone that loved the Batman. I just didn't like it.
Speaker 2:Also. This is kind of a good example, but there's different reasons. James Cameron with Avatar he had them written almost 30 years ago, I think 27 years.
Speaker 1:Yes, but this isn't a valid, so he waited for to make the first one, because of technology.
Speaker 2:That's a valid excuse. The second one was also technology, but it also took how many years of development. There's valid reasons. I know vfx is the main reason which is a good thing which he chose to do, to give the whole team time.
Speaker 1:So you notice, though, here's the thing. Kyle right, and I know that as comic fans in general, we're very passionate about our characters, about our lore, but notice that that's a valid reason you just named he had to wait for the technology to catch up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, but health concerns isn't a valid reason that came out recently, though what about the other years?
Speaker 1:Like if he knew he had a planned trilogy, he should have had that script done a year after the movie released. Right, because what was he doing in that time? Dragging his feet? We don't know how long he was sick, true, but I feel like I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's a more valid reason.
Speaker 1:Being sick, yes, but for it to come out, when did it release? 2021 or 2022?, 2022. And it's like we're just barely now learning he's sick. I think we would have known before. No, he wasn't, because we saw when he announced the Batman.
Speaker 2:He wasn't sick then, but then again like Chadwick, but we also don't know, because what you're about to say.
Speaker 1:Chadwick Boseman like bozeman, yeah, yeah, I don't know, kyle, I think I think it's exciting. I'm just gonna say this I think the batman fan and me not don't get it confused with the movie, but I'm saying the general dc comic character batman fan has me, even though I didn't like the first one. When I heard this news I was also excited because it's like I like him as a director and maybe it'll go down in a situation where we're sitting in the theater and I adore every second of the Batman 2.
Speaker 2:It's gonna be so good.
Speaker 1:But then I'm, but it doesn't change what I feel about the first one, right but? But I have hope for it. I will always like just like how people didn't like Batman Forever or Batman and Robin, but they love Batman Begins. There's going to be ones that you're not going to like. To go back to the James Bond news, there's James Bond movies throughout its many years that I didn't like, but then there's ones I love, so I'm always going to be at the theater to see it. So I'm excited too, but on a different wavelength than you, if that makes sense, I know, because there's potential there and it could be like his war for the planet of the apes, which is a masterpiece of a movie, and he could take the batman to this new and exciting way. That is his own interpretation, and then I will look back at this moment and I will realize I was wrong.
Speaker 2:I will cannot wait for that day. On the podcast yeah to everyone, yeah and I will always own up.
Speaker 1:If I'm wrong, I'll own up to it, and maybe I am, but I wanted to ask you before you move on to your next news, let's take a second. And what is your number one wish list for a villain? We know joker's someone.
Speaker 2:We haven't seen before. Okay, so who? That's number one. So hush, uh, pig. Um, there's really a lot exactly um killer croc. We've seen before, but not in live action not good, not good.
Speaker 1:I don't think we've seen him in live action no, we haven't no yeah um.
Speaker 2:Animated he's, good he's good, he's good.
Speaker 1:But you but imagine him in the Batman 2, how frightening.
Speaker 2:That would be Right, and I don't know how they do it because it is perceived as a grounded Batman.
Speaker 1:Yes, that would be hard A really dark and grounded Batman. Yeah, so he wouldn't work which also takes out Mr. Freeze.
Speaker 2:He's grounded to a point, but it does make it harder. But they are going to make uh, I think it's going to be a serial killer type villain. It's going to be someone that he has to chase through clues, through anything really and honestly that's a lot of batman villains. Right is serial killers because he's dealing with ground level. The options are good.
Speaker 1:Really good. The only problem he will run into is because he gave his own interpretation on Riddler where he turned him into a serial killer, because I recently tried to rewatch it again and that opening scene if I didn't know that was Riddler, I wouldn't say that's the Riddler. And the way he moves all slow and his breathing like it just more reminds me of like a psychopath, like his mo is more like in that moment professor, pig, right, um, without the psychedelic stuff that he does to brainwash his followers and everything. And so there is that where he needs to make it different from the riddler. So I think the perfect option for me would honestly be the Court of Owls and do it in a more intimate way where you have the overall court right, but most of the movie is focused on him chasing down a Talon and trying to catch up with the Talon who's trying to tear Gotham apart. I think that would be super cool.
Speaker 2:That was my original guess, for what the trilogy was going to be about Is lead to them. So everything that's been happening is slowly rooted up to the Court of Owls, which would be so sick Like. In some way or another, they are playing with the pieces of Gotham and creating all of this.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that'd be sick. And Professor Pig would be my second one, because he's so frightening that he fits Matt Reeves' grounded. More horror, take right, because when I was watching that Riddler's scene still is intense, even though it makes me mad because Riddler wouldn't move like that and stuff.
Speaker 1:It's so good Because he's more an articulate human being, he'd have a nice suit. Not all that stuff. Not all that stuff. It was still frightening and your heart is racing. And so Professor Pig would fit that perfect for the whole movie right, and where he leaves the bodies Like that was one of the most iconic things, because I've read the Batman and Robin story by Grant Morrison with Professor Pig. That is so cool. But my favorite interpretation of Professor Pig is Arkham Knight. Those side missions are the most memorable of all of them. They're the ones I remember more than anything is finding the body, examining who it was, how they died, and the opera music. That's so creepy. Imagine that where the Batman all of a sudden hears and he's just like, oh crap, there's another body nearby. That would be intense. The only hard part is how do you do that without it being rated? R is the tricky part. But then again, like I hope I.
Speaker 1:I kind of really want to see a rated r batman and I think they can do it, since it's elseworlds and maybe they will. Maybe like, when they announce it, it is going to be r I. I hope it is, because look at the joker right, it still made a billion, the first one, so it's not gonna. It used to be back in the day where if you made a rated r movie, you were not going to make over $500 million, you'd make $300. And nowadays it's like the Joker's a billion.
Speaker 2:Correct me if I'm wrong, but Logan was the start of that trend, or was it Deadpool? Wasn't Deadpool just under? Yeah, but it was the first thing that really sparked the rated R can make a lot of money thing. Yes, I, I think so. I thought it was logan because a lot of people are saying, oh, this isn't going to succeed because it's rated r and it's wolverine and people love the x-men movies, not just adults like it's a teenager movie that a lot of people like yes, I think so that was more because we had already seen hugh jackman's wolverine in pg-13 where deadpool.
Speaker 1:We knew going in is gonna be radar, so the anger wasn't necessarily about like, oh, it's gonna fail because it's a rated r superhero movie.
Speaker 2:That's why deadpool didn't get approved is because it would have been rated r. What do?
Speaker 1:you mean Like who didn't approve it?
Speaker 2:It wasn't greenlit at all.
Speaker 1:And then Ryan Reynolds leaked that test footage.
Speaker 2:It was like a VFX thing and since that blew up the movie got greenlit yeah.
Speaker 1:And you were right, it was Deadpool 1. It didn't make a billion, but it made 782 million which surprised everyone. Very successful Because that budget was tiny, right, and so, with Tim Miller at the head, they cut corners where they had to. And then Logan, it made over a billion right.
Speaker 2:I thought it was really close, if not over. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:We will have to do our homework and let everyone know on that one and now I do know what would actually be a fun episode idea and let us know in the comments if you're interested in this is if we just do a box office history kind of episode. That'd be really fun, don't you think, Kyle?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be cool. It wasn't as high as we thought. How high? 600, right. 620 million, still high, but the budget was only 97 million.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's a banger dude. So that's crazy successful, that's crazy successful.
Speaker 2:That's barely higher than the greatest showman budget.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's incredible and that movie is incredible from start to finish and it made me cry. It had all the action I wanted. We got to see him feral where he's running through the forest.
Speaker 2:That first thing where he's driving the limo.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:Those drunk people come over. And just the way he killed them you instantly knew You're like this is great, this is what we needed out of Wolverine.
Speaker 1:For realss. And the way. At first he's hesitant, he's like guys, you don't want any of this, and then he gets in his anger mode.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's so good the claw gets stuck.
Speaker 1:Yes, pulls it out he gets whiskey claw, oh yeah and so, but yeah, that my favorite scene is just where he takes that. What is that injection in the movie that he takes? And then it makes you super feral, it's like they call it something. And when he takes that and then chases to find Laura oh, so iconic Gives me the chills.
Speaker 2:I don't remember what that was called.
Speaker 1:We'll have to swing back to this next week. But yeah, if it's rated R the Batmanman 2, I think it will. Still, I don't know if it'll make a billion I think it'll break a billion, you think.
Speaker 1:So the first one came close right, 800 something yeah because a lot of people really like the batman they do and it really broke the um normal comic book fandom with that movie it did, and I have a co-worker I've shared with you, um, that is not a comic book fan at all and he really liked the batman he saw as a really cool noir crime movie and it does have those things right, and so so I think so too. Actually, I'll agree with you. I think I'll make a billion. I'll change my stance on that. So that is that. What else do you got for us? This is fun.
Speaker 2:Okay. The second thing I have is I don't know how accurate this info is, but it looks like a good indicator. Spider-man Brand New Day the director's Pinterest or something on social media. He didn't put it on private so the public could look at his stuff. Oh, and it was a Pinterest board with all the different Spider-Man images that he wanted to make Spider-Man Brand New Day off of, so like costume wise, costume connections. So one of them was a bunch of images with the spider-man working with hulk and also spider-man finding like a fighting a feral hulk really.
Speaker 1:so it looks like we might get world breaker hulk based off those images I wonder how, where he's already in the lore of the MCU, he's already kind of gone to the. What is it called? Dr Banner Hulk, whatever?
Speaker 2:he's called Right. But remember, with Mr Negative he can separate the two, and that's how Spider-Man works with the Hulk. Is that a special lore though?
Speaker 1:that he can separate, because in the game Mr Negative doesn't do those things. I lore, though, that he can separate because in the game.
Speaker 2:Mr negative doesn't do those things. I believe it's in the lore, it's not in the game. So he can separate, because isn't there another character that can do? Because he, he like, separates the consciousness, he like takes your consciousness and does trippy things to it.
Speaker 1:So if he could do that with bruce, but he can't take Hulk's, then Hulk would be gone yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I as non comic book reader of the Marvel, I don't know, but that sounds cool right, and there's also a bunch of pictures with him and MJ not the real MJ with Michelle Jones okay, so she's gonna be back with him and he's gonna reveal he's spider-man again probably I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I I would think that he keeps it separate. Okay, like he doesn't tell her.
Speaker 1:So how does this tie into? Because they haven't announced hulk? Have they being in the?
Speaker 2:yes, they have.
Speaker 1:They have okay, so I didn't know that. Um, so I wonder where Punisher is going to fit in then, because he can't take on the Hulk. So why does he end up in the Spider-Man movie?
Speaker 2:It could be something very small and they could just be trying to connect Netflix Marvel with actual Marvel.
Speaker 1:But if that was the case, they already did that, with Daredevil showing up in the last one. Right, they did, but not really okay, and so what do you mean by not really? What do you mean by not really, though?
Speaker 2:because they they didn't really combine. They introduced it, but they didn't do anything with it. So you're saying this would be more like they actually connect and work together on something Okay.
Speaker 1:So it's going to be small, but not as small as him just catching the brick and saying I'm a good lawyer, Like a mission.
Speaker 2:It actually starts introducing the street level heroes as something in the mcu that makes a difference okay, okay.
Speaker 1:And so I honestly am not hyped for punisher, but I am hyped for hulk, because punisher like I don't, he's cool right, especially that scene in the most recent season where him and daredevil team up and born again and they take down all those enemies and Daredevil keeps getting mad at him because he keeps saying stop it, because he's killing them.
Speaker 2:I love that scene. I really like the Punisher. I really like Hulk is my favorite out of everything. And Spider-Man's always been a good, enjoyable hero.
Speaker 1:And do you know what's cool about Spider-Man is? He is translatable to many different mediums like he is. Spider-man games are some of the funnest games, right. Um, the cartoon growing up was fun, and the movies. I'm like I said, I don't like the homecoming but I'll try it again when I have time. But I did enjoy the ones after that. They were fun we also are.
Speaker 2:According to the his like pinterest board the director, we're going to get a depressed spider-man. So I could see it starting out as a depressed like tom holland, you know spider-man and then maybe while he's moping around the city as Spider-Man, just swinging around or hanging on top of a building, the Punisher finds him and makes fun of him because he's wearing spandex, you know. So, I could see that introduction. I could also see the depressed Peter Parker in college with Bruce Banner, smart Hulk taking a liking to Peter Parker.
Speaker 1:So you're saying that it's going to revert back to the Hulk being, bruce Banner separate, and then he gets angry.
Speaker 2:No, it's going to be Smart.
Speaker 1:Hulk. Oh, okay, so you're saying the movie is going to start with Smart Hulk and he takes a liking to Peter Parker, and then Mr Negative will come, separate the two to create chaos. And then that's where that storyboard that you saw on Pinterest will come into play, possibly where he fights against the Hulk because the Hulk has lost his mind, essentially because Bruce Banner is not there to anchor him. Is that what you're saying? That's what I'm thinking? That would be cool. I'd be down for that, to be honest. But is that what you're saying? That's what I'm thinking? That would be cool. I'd be down for that, to be honest. But the movie has to end with hulk on the loose.
Speaker 2:I think either that or just back to how it was pre-end game so where, like, he goes into bruce banner, then he gets angry and turns into hulk, like then I could see well they could do, but then it wouldn't make sense for him to be stuck again, unless Mr Negative messed up something where he can't connect those two. But he did it with science and machines, so I don't see that being a valid ending.
Speaker 1:So you more just see Worldbreaker Hulk, but then eventually they would have to bring him back right, or Hulk would just be a villain.
Speaker 2:It would be so fantastic if they separate the Hulk.
Speaker 1:It's.
Speaker 2:Worldbreaker Hulk. We probably won't get a movie, but then in Doomsday or, most hopefully, in Secret Wars. He brings Worldbreaker Hulk to the Secret Wars and he just mercs a ton of who brings.
Speaker 1:Are you talking about Doomsday? Yeah, if it's Doomsday Dr Doom, I mean Dr Doom, oh sorry my bad.
Speaker 2:No, you're good, dr Doom, because I was getting the movie title mixed up. Doctor Doom, because I was getting the movie title mixed up but say Doctor Doom brings up the X-Men, the Avengers and makes them battle on the Secret Wars planet. Okay, I don't know what the planet's called.
Speaker 1:I used to know because I've read the comic, but I read it years ago, so my memory's not what it used to be.
Speaker 1:So then, to throw a wrench in it, he just throws in world breaker hulk to create chaos to create chaos and we see quite a few characters we love get killed by world breaker hulk oh, that'd be rough so good, like he wipes out all the people that everyone hates right now oh, that I, I can promise you, they're not gonna do that yeah, and I feel like they won't also have the movie end where he's still separated like that I because this is again, this is an intellectual property to where hulk has always been known as a hero and if they have an end where there is no bruce banner in there and he is world breaker hulk, unless they are gonna do a world war, war Hulk movie, which they've kind of already blown with Ragnarok because he went to that planet, which yeah, I can't see that happening.
Speaker 1:I really can't. It just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint and like a continuity standpoint for them to end Spider-Man Brand New Day with Hulk just on the loose. I think maybe they will have it to be where he gets separated by Mr Negative and I'm going to do my research on this topic, mr Negative but every MCU movie besides Infinity War that I can think of always ends with a hopeful note and even, like when you look at Age of Ultron where Hulk left, he did that for noble reasons. The Bruce Banner in him knew that he was a danger, so he got on the Quinjet whatever it's called and he flew off onto his own right To save Nat and to save everyone from the anger that Hulk has. So that would be bold, right. I mean, is it possible, kyle?
Speaker 2:Yes, it's bold, but but I can't see it bold. And they also need to fix what they've done to hulk. I agree they need to fix it.
Speaker 1:And no, I can't think of anyone I've talked to that likes the scientist hulk, dr hulk, whatever they call him officially it's, it's not cool, it's not fun, he's annoying and it's like we. We do want the monster, but I want the bruce banner with him well, I see the end of secret wars. They combine back that that could be a possibility, as long as he doesn't kill everyone, because then there's no redemption for him and it's like more they'd have to kill him but it's not really hulk or bruce true it's?
Speaker 1:yeah, let's see. Let me, let's. Can we circle back to this? I want to do some research. Let's circle back Next week. We'll put a pin in that everyone and I actually want to do my research on Mr Negative and look at the possible outcomes. Like cause in the video games, spider-man um, mr Negative doesn't do those things and so well he does mess with consciousness. He does, he does. But I swear I do remember there being someone in the comics, though that actually can pull out bruce banner and it creates chaos. But I'm trying to remember who it is. It's not mr negative, but there's someone else.
Speaker 2:Um, is it the chick from dr strange?
Speaker 1:no, because it's a villain that does. But yeah, she does it too, but I'm trying to think who it is. Uh, I'll think of it. So that that's why this will be a cool discussion. We can do a circle back to that for a topic. I think it'll be fun. Sounds good to me. But either way, that's exciting news to have these characters that are to some degree have a huge fan base, like punisher Hulk Return, and especially like the picture where he's on top of Hulk, so clearly they're fighting. It's like that's not the scientist Hulk, right?
Speaker 1:It looks like a different Hulk. It looks like a different Hulk and I saw a video recently on YouTube where someone clipped the scene of Red Hulk in Brave New World and said this is the Hulk we miss, like everyone's sad about the scientist Hulk because in the Brave New World this is the Hulk we miss, like everyone's sad about the scientist Hulk because in the Brave New World that's the coolest part is when he's at the White House and he's fighting Sam Wilson and he's just raging and it's cool. So I'd like to see that too. Just like my favorite Hulk scene so far is in Age of Ultron, where they're fighting in South Africa and he's fighting Hulkbuster armor Remember that and Iron man punches him and knocks his tooth out and the way Hulk looks up at him and Tony's like sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's a cool scene, but as a Hulk fan, I don't like it. Oh, you don't. Okay, hulk should have been getting stronger while that was happening. He would have eventually beaten the Hulkbuster armor, doesn't he beat the Hulkbuster armor and tear it apart?
Speaker 1:No, Doesn't he get knocked out? I'm trying to remember now because I remember he does get stronger. Remember that's why Tony's like sorry, and Hulk gets more mad and then the fight gets crazier. But yeah, he does get knocked out, but who knocks him out? Someone knocks him out.
Speaker 2:It's not Tony. I thought it was the Hulkbuster armor.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Or because more pieces kept coming down. It was a Scarlet Witch, so he used something to take advantage of it.
Speaker 1:You're right.
Speaker 2:Okay, I can't remember exactly what it is, but I don't believe the Hulk could get knocked out at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, knocked out at all. Yeah, I know you're right, that's a valid point. I'm not a hulk fan, right? So I don't always remember those little details like that. He's supposed to get more mad, more strong, because he is, and so but you gotta admit, though, from a fighting standpoint it's pretty sick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as a scene for the movie, it was cool it was way cool also supports iron man, as how like, how smart he is right and no matter what happens, he creates something to counter that. Yes, he does. I believe in the comics. Tony takes advantage of magic. Really he has magic armor that helps him overcome magic villains, villains, okay.
Speaker 2:And he's kind of like Batman in the how batman has something to defeat every single person of the justice league yeah, I love that story iron man has the same thing where he has something to defeat basically anybody that he's seen their power and he want, he needs to make sure he has something that is stronger than that that that is actually really cool. Another point before I forget.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 2:Another reason I don't care for Ironheart. I heard the show's bad. Have you seen it? I've heard the show's bad, but I've also heard people say they really like it. But at the same time I've heard people say they like Scarlet Witch and all those shitty movies.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But in Ironheart one of the things she says is oh, tony Stark didn't take advantage of magic, but I do, so I'm better. Where does she get magic?
Speaker 1:from.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'd have to watch it now. I'm actually curious because, yeah, but you as a fan know that Tony does.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, yeah, you brought up something cool, right, okay, okay, yeah, I, you brought up something cool. I didn't know tony also had like a contingency for every person in the the avengers, or even like the villains. I didn't know about the magic armor, but I do love that comic book story, the tower of babel, where batman has a contingency plan for every single villain. It's so cool. The cartoon also also that was based on Tower Babel is so cool. So Batman is a pimp. If Tony also does the same, then he's a pimp to me as well. And they both are billionaires, so they both can afford the technology needed to do those things.
Speaker 2:So that's cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I just confirmed he does use magic. So he has a magic using AI that he created and he also dabbles in magic too. He doesn't really use magic, Like he's not a magical person.
Speaker 1:He's not a sorcerer.
Speaker 2:yeah, Right, but when he becomes Iron man Supreme or Rainer Supreme or something, he does that using magic.
Speaker 1:That's cool. That's cool. Do you know what you should do? I think what would be really dope is if you read these stories as homework and we can discuss them further and you can teach me. That'd be so cool. And so, because I didn't know these things. And Ironheart, you're dumb, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then another thing I don't know if people are saying this isn't the real thing. She said, like it's taken out of context on social media oh but another clip. She says um, tony stark had billions of dollars and I don't like. Basically it sounds like she's saying tony stark isn't as good as her because he has money and she doesn't.
Speaker 1:Oh goodness.
Speaker 2:Which is, I think, it's taken out of context based off what people are saying, but that's totally invalid as well.
Speaker 1:Possibly, possibly and here's the sad part about her character and other characters is sadly there's the mob right that are kind of anti anything that's different right. We're seeing it with the Superman movie coming out, where there's been a campaign by Snyder fans that are trying to tear it down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's the same in the MCU Everything has haters.
Speaker 1:And people are hating on her unnecessarily. So the point I'm trying to make is I think there is a high possibility it was taken out of context.
Speaker 2:I still think the show to me looked bad. I think it was the main thing.
Speaker 1:I do not care for ironheart right now.
Speaker 2:I'm still not over iron man being gone. It's hard. I'm still not over that death because he was the best character in the mcu yeah I don't like that. He's gone. I'm not ready to just move on with another Iron man to replace him. Yeah, maybe later I'll watch it, but right now it's not.
Speaker 1:that time I want to do a future episode all about the MCU, because you just said something that I completely disagree with. He's not the best character in the MCU.
Speaker 2:Who do you think he is? Captain America?
Speaker 1:No, my favorite character in the MCU, just from a character standpoint, is Black Panther, and then Thor, thor, pre-love and Thunder. Those are my two favorites. And I was more devastated. I cried when Tony Stark died, because he was the heart of the MCU, because he started it with Hulk. But, man, I loved every second of the first Black Panther movie. Black Panther's great. He's wonderful.
Speaker 2:He only had one movie, though, but that one movie was so memorable. Right, it was very good.
Speaker 1:Where Iron man 2 sucked.
Speaker 2:It was very good in the times where he shows up. Yes, so good, but Black Panther 2, not good.
Speaker 1:And that was purely because it was missing, chadwick.
Speaker 2:Right. So overall I think Iron man is the best because Thor, the first two not that good, Third one very good, fourth one totally trash.
Speaker 1:So I disagree, but let's put a pin in it Because I actually think it'd be really fun to do a whole MCU. We can talk hours about the MCU with all the movies they have and kind of rank them like we could do a really fun episode. But some let's put a pin in it and we'll fight later. Because I disagree with you completely on the thor movies. Um, I love thor one good.
Speaker 1:I think I'm being harsh when I say yeah, good yeah I liked him, but I even liked the second one, the second one.
Speaker 2:I did not like at all.
Speaker 1:I loved it. I love Malekith he's so cool and where you see the seeds planted. Well, we'll talk about it in the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the old Like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Let's not, because that's going to be a really fun episode especially. Well, let's actually, let's do that one soon, actually Sooner than later, and so Maybe we should do it after Fantastic Four, that's a great idea.
Speaker 1:So, everybody, after Fantastic Four, first Steps releases which I think it's going to be trash, but I'm hopeful it might be fun we'll do an MCU episode and rank everything within that and we'll have a fun game too. I can already think of a fun game idea that we could do for that and so. But with that, what else is exciting for you, kyle? Any other news for you? You said two, but did anything pop in your head?
Speaker 1:uh, no, that's my news for the week can I just share one little one that popped in my head. Go ahead, because I had my one that I wanted to share, but this just popped in my head and you sent this to me and it had us both salivating. There's a little poster you sent me. Oh, yes.
Speaker 2:Odyssey baby Odyssey looks amazing. Yep, that poster that they released, yes, very good.
Speaker 1:Very good, and I already knew this, but just seeing it in the poster where it completely filmed an IMAX Guys, that is a first james cameron groundbreaking for his use of motion capture technology. Christopher nolan is the pioneer and groundbreaking guy of imax, because imax is very expensive to shoot with and for him to see his vision, as I need this full, huge, three stories or higher, higher than that, like the sandy theater that we have here. Have you been there? I have. Have you been in the imax screen, though?
Speaker 2:I think so, for it has two stories for the hobbit, I believe.
Speaker 1:Okay, how cool is that, where it's literally you have to go up two stories. You can sit on the upper balcony like it's a theater for plays, or the lower balcony. That's how big the screen is, and and we're going to get to see Odysseus man, like on his way home, and it's like we're going to see it in full screen.
Speaker 2:That's so good. Yes, I just recently finished the Odyssey.
Speaker 1:Yes, so it is looking up, it is looking up and, man, we have to wait a year. But I have a feeling we're probably going to get a trailer in December with Avatar. I can feel it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the two greatest directors of modern and pairing it together, getting the most eyes on your trailer for a premiere, I think will be perfect and yeah, so that's just a little bit of news, and so with that we wrap up the segment and everybody share with us. We really like I'm going to say this every week we want to create a community where you guys can share with us your news, what excites you, and we can all go back and forth and we're going to have some exciting news in the coming weeks that will help with that, to give you guys options to share with us your thoughts and so. But with that, that is the news of the week. Thank you everybody. Welcome to this week's High Topic.
Speaker 1:This week is something that I think everyone listening will be able to relate to, and it's something that we all go through, and that is the emotional highs and emotional lows of life. We're going to take a more cinematic spin on it, if you will, and what I mean by that is we're going to give a couple of questions to each of us that, with a movie, with a book, with a game, we've all experienced to some degree all three of those things. Some people, I would say, haven't experienced as many games as far as that. But I think everyone has experienced a movie they love and a book they love. Would you agree, kyle? For sure, yeah, because games, even though it's super popular, it can a game or even an album. I'll even throw in music, an album that you really love and you're really invested in it.
Speaker 1:You get sucked into the world or the music and the lyrics, and then have it end and you realize there's an empty hole in your heart temporarily and you just feel this huge loss, like I feel like with the emergence of Netflix, that has gotten even worse, where you can binge a whole season and you don't have to wait week by week and you're getting sucked into a show like Stranger Things, or you get sucked into a show like Narcos for me recently and then when it ends, you feel this crash in your heart and in your soul and you're like, oh, what do I do now? So we're going to talk about some examples of that. But as we're talking about it, we're going to relate it back to real life, where we get invested in something. We get invested in someone or an idea and when that idea fades away or doesn't work out or something ends, we feel that loss and what do we do to overcome it, and so. But we'll circle back to the real life stuff at the end.
Speaker 1:So let's jump right into the questions that we have planned and, yeah, let's discuss it and, as you guys are listening, please always share your thoughts, share your feelings. And so the first question I have for you, kyle what is?
Speaker 1:one book, movie, game, album that when it finished the high was so high that the low was so low that it hurt your heart.
Speaker 2:The biggest one I could remember was from a while ago and it was Uncharted 4. Ooh okay, tell me why Uncharted 4. Ooh okay, tell me why Uncharted 4, we've talked about before on the podcast is. It was really important to me because the first Uncharted game was the first game I've ever played on a console. So Uncharted 4 was the goodbye to the franchise. So not only was it such a good game that when it ended, I was empty inside. It was I was empty because I was saying goodbye to the franchise that introduced me to gaming and some of my favorite games of all time. It's like the end of an era for you.
Speaker 1:It was very sad that is actually super sad and I didn't have the same effect with Uncharted 4 because I had my issues with it. As I was playing it, I was like, oh, I don't like this, I don't like where this is going. But your perspective is beautiful because it being that first one for you, that first franchise that you truly fell in love with, I can understand you completely. Did you like, let's say, can I ask you just a quick question? Yeah, if you were just to play uncharted 4, would the ending still get you in like, oh, because you know how like you can watch a single movie and have it be like, oh man, I want to go back to that world. Would it still have the same effect, or was?
Speaker 2:it the era ending? Yes, it would. I really like the game. I love the changes it made. It also really stands well as a single game, Like if you haven't played any of the others. It would still be a really good game because it goes back to when he was a kid and what started this treasure hunting lifestyle that he lives.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it would still have that same hole in your heart effect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I have another game that's kind of like that Tell me it's God of War, oh okay, ragnarok.
Speaker 1:Okay, and you recently played this again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that was also an emptiness inside because it was such an immersive game and I really loved it.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So that one kind of felt empty inside afterwards because I didn't play all the original ones, because those were PS2 when they started. So, that was above my time, so it didn't have the same effect as Uncharted, because of the nostalgia.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But as a game by itself. It was that emptiness inside afterwards because the game was over.
Speaker 1:No, I understand the story was done.
Speaker 2:Okay, I understand, which I think is what your question was intending to get.
Speaker 1:yes, it was actually so I appreciate that. So my my game that I can honestly say, as you were talking, that had that effect on me well, there's a couple actually, but a game that really had that effect on me was actually Assassin's Creed Revelations, and the reason why is it was wrapping up not only Ezio Auditore's story, who is still to this day my favorite assassin in this franchise, but it also was wrapping up Altair, and what made it really special is the immersiveness of the game itself. The setting was really cool and getting to understand Altair better, because Altair started the whole franchise and after the first game it immediately switched to Ezio, and Ezio as a character is much better. He's more charismatic, right, but when we played Revelations we got to see a different side of Altair as a father. We learned he's a father and his dedication to the creed, and so when that game ended it was on PS3, I played it, I was devastated and I wanted to play it again, and I have played it again more than once I immediately wanted to jump back in Another game that did that for me, god of War.
Speaker 1:When I finished the first one one, there wasn't a hole in my heart, because I haven't finished ragnarok. As you know, there wasn't that like oh man, it didn't grab me, like it grabbed you, but it was cool, like the loki scene. When that reveal happened I was like that's way cool. And then the the hint at thor when he like shows up at the very end. I thought that was a really cool teaser.
Speaker 2:My emptiness was more for Ragnarok. For more for Ragnarok, because I knew there was going to be more.
Speaker 1:Okay, but now you're not. Yeah, that's true, because it's not certain.
Speaker 2:Also God of War, Ragnarok. It was so big and the the story I felt was more in depth.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The story I felt was more in depth because the first one is more of a bonding story between father and son. I mean not even really bonding, but it was more of a family, more intimate story yeah and then ragnarok was a big story, so more of like a, a spectacle, and then everything's all over, kind of drop off yeah, and I'm liking it more now as we played.
Speaker 1:the other night when we were over the chat I thought it was really getting good, so I'm actually excited now.
Speaker 1:It gets so good now that I found here, so maybe I'll have that same feeling. But the other game I can think of, that honestly had this effect on me and I love every second of this game and tell the ending, but even with the ending, learning that there's other options. Actually, I'm going to give you two, but first one is Assassin's Creed Odyssey. That world sucked me in. Remember how we'd be talking and I would just be like I'm back in Odyssey. I'm back in Odyssey. I gave so many hours to that game and I got the worst ending because I made poor choices based on anger.
Speaker 1:If you can't tell mikey's only ever played assassin's creed yeah I love history and I love those games, but, um, so that's my first one that left a hole in my heart and I was like, ah, because then I tried valhalla, but I'm not a big viking guy, but I love. That's why I right now I'd honestly put the old God of Wars from a story and lore standpoint Not story, sorry, from a lore and setting standpoint above the new ones Story. Of course the new ones kick the old God of Wars butt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the lore is, but I love Zeus, I know you really like that lore, the Greek lore, much more than the Viking Norse mythology.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that I get from your standpoint.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I also really liked the Norse mythology.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Because that's our, that's our heritage.
Speaker 1:True, true it is. Yeah, we have no attachment to the Greeks in any way in our blood.
Speaker 2:So I might a little, oh really, I might a little. Oh my, really I might a little.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I need to learn more. Have you done your DNA?
Speaker 2:My mom has.
Speaker 1:And she has some Nordic, like Icelandic people in her.
Speaker 2:I think so I'll have to double check because there was a lot.
Speaker 1:I mean not Nordic, because we know we have that, but Greek. Okay, yes, okay, yes, I got a bad.
Speaker 2:That's my bad yeah, so I'll have to double check, because I'll also have to double check the norse but remember.
Speaker 1:So I know I have norse to me, I have a lot um, from my mom's side, I believe, especially, and then I have irish and so but I know I did my own dna through uh ancestry and I have zero greek zero.
Speaker 2:I'll do my own because mine was a lot. It was like 40 percent um german from your mom, which was most oh, you're a nazi, okay, your grandfather is my. History goes past like the german side of me goes pat.
Speaker 1:Before the world wars you gotta say whatever you gotta say to comfort yourself I no, I'm serious. I'm just kidding, but yeah, that'd be interesting Because I actually want to redo mine. 23andme, I guess, does a more detailed version of the DNA.
Speaker 2:Isn't that the one where they sold the company? So now that company that bought it has everyone's DNA. Oh, is that the one that sold to the government, I believe. So, yeah, can you fact check that? Well, I'll fact check. I don't know if they have the thing, like they actually have the people's uh dna, because that was a big issue when they were I've heard that yeah, but I'm 80, sure it's 23.
Speaker 1:I hope not, because theirs is so much more detail. I did the ancestry one and it was very generic where I heard theirs will tell you like diseases you might be at risk for, like so many more details that the ancestry doesn't give. It was 23 and me oh, bummer, okay, dang, okay, well, I still might do it. Who cares, like if they have my dna? Who cares?
Speaker 1:but I care, because if I ever want to commit murder, I can't have my dna that's the nazi and him talking that was a bad time for my joke no, I love it though, and so, but and do I love and I hope you listeners love this too is our random banter, like we could be.
Speaker 1:We can just go anywhere, and that's that's the sign of a good friendship, where we can be having a subject, but then we just go off topic. But let me, before we go off the rails more, which I love going off the rails more, which I love going off the rails, um, the other game that really and I know you haven't played this, but and I I don't think you would vibe with this game I think you would love the universe. So if ever they adapted into a show, I think you would be all about it. But mass effect 2, the characters you come to see them as family, which I know from a video game standpoint sounds weird because it's a digital like I know people look at video games as oh, you're a nerd, which I am, but it's like man which I am.
Speaker 1:But video games does not mean you're a nerd it shouldn't, but sadly the stigma, especially from women, is oh, you're a video game player, you're a nerd. And it's like no, I'm not, but so well I am expand more on dead space because Mass Effect, you mean.
Speaker 2:Mass Effect. Sorry, no, you're good, they're both great though I love Dead Space too. I haven't played either of those. Oh, you haven't. Dead Space doesn't look interesting to me.
Speaker 1:You're a horror fan, though.
Speaker 2:Mass Effect looks weird to me.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the gameplay from that so, um, I know I'm also going to circle back to dead space, because I think you would adore that game with your cousin, especially because you guys go through horror games sometimes together but, um, with mass effect. So you play as commander shepherd, and it's really fun because at the very beginning you create your own commander shepherd, which I love, and I wish more games did that. Um, nowadays, where the ones that do it like boulders gate and those, they're just they're crappy games to me, and I know those are fighting words for all the extreme boulders gate fans. So, in mass effect, though, you start by creating your own character, and then there's this mystery of what are called the reapers, who were these ancient, sentient, huge machines that come and wipe out whole planets, but they haven't been seen of in thousands of years.
Speaker 2:Go ahead. Have you seen the movie Nine?
Speaker 1:No, I heard it's good, though the animated one yeah, is it?
Speaker 2:like that. That's what I was wondering, because I don't know if the I think the machines were human made.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And they started killing everyone.
Speaker 1:So these were human made too, if I remember right. I'd have to fact check this. So they were human-made too, if I remember right. I'd have to fact check that. So please don't quote me on it, because it's been years since I played all three, but I'm pretty sure we learned that these were also made and then the AI coding in it rebelled and became sentient, so it might be similar to Nine.
Speaker 2:That's Nine. And then the movie follows puppets that this dude sucked out parts of his soul into I don't know. Know, like 16 different puppets wow so all of them together are him that's cool separated each different parts of his soul, so basically different parts of his personality. So one person's a scientist, one person's curious that is so sick, so that movie is so scary, especially since I saw it when it first came out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's Tim Burton right.
Speaker 2:I believe so yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to watch it. I'm not a Tim Burton fan per se it's so creepy, but it's so good.
Speaker 1:I remember seeing it at Blockbuster, before Blockbuster went under, and I don't know why I never thought to pick it up, but that does sound. Similar is more nuance, I think, in um mass effect, because what ends up happening? I don't want to ruin it for you just in case they make a show, but you go on the hunt to see if it's really true that the reapers are returning, and then the whole real core of the story, though, is your squad. Throughout the game, you have to especially in the second one you have to go look for certain characters to build a team to take on the reapers, and you need someone that's a techie, you need someone that has biotics, and you need someone that, like, has different abilities that you're looking for, and each one of those characters, though, you get a side mission for, where you fall in love with them.
Speaker 1:Like I will never forget the mission with jack, I will never forget the mission with all these like alari is her name different characters that, like, you see as family. So when that game ended, which it's like 70 hours long, I was devastated, and I've wanted to I own the ps4 version, because they remastered all three for the ps4. I've wanted to go back and play them again and I own them. I think I will, after god of war actually is it?
Speaker 1:an rpg, yes, but it's very action-based. I think you would like it because shooting like uncharted has really good mechanics and you get like abilities, so like you can literally use warp, where you can lift them up in the air like the force and then shoot them with your guns. It's so fun. Dude, after the podcast, I want you to look up a youtube video of the gameplay. It's so sick. Okay, I might. I love mass effect. It's beloved. They've talked about making it into a show over the years, but nothing has come into fruition yet. But it's just so good. So that's my second game. So what's another movie, book or game, though, for you?
Speaker 2:so I have uh two of each I love it okay um, except for books, yeah, except for books, I only have one you only have one, okay, um, I have a few books. Do you want books for book first or two movies first? Let's do two movies, okay. The first one and I think a lot of people experience this is Endgame.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Because after Endgame, first of all Iron man died.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That was what really kept a lot of people in the MCU.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Because he started it. Everybody loved Robert Downey Jr. He was the heart of the Avengers.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I said that, yeah, it's kind of the Avengers, yes, and I said that, yeah, it's kind of iffy, I wouldn't say heart. I would say the heart.
Speaker 2:But he is the glue, the glue. That's a good analogy, because Captain America, like all of them together, are really the heart, because they all have relationships with certain ones of them. They don't all get along, but Tony is really what brought them together and kept them together.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Besides the dude Samuel L Jackson.
Speaker 1:I should know his name.
Speaker 2:Nick Fury. Nick Fury yeah, so he brought them together, but Iron man is what really stuck them together.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially since he funded them, mm-hmm, you know, and yeah, that one's self-explanatory.
Speaker 1:But then there's Civil War. You have to think about where, like they kind of, he was no longer the glue. So I think the heart from the audience's standpoint is a better analogy, because he really wasn't the glue, because after Civil War they were separate and they didn't see eye to eye. So I would say, yeah, that's true. But they kind of stuck in their own groups they did, but, like I said, he's not the glue that holds them all together.
Speaker 2:From the audience standpoint, yes, from the audience standpoint the heart the glue and all the above. Yeah but yeah, yeah, oh sorry, I was just thinking about that for a second. Yeah, no, take your time to ponder. And I believe that, um, big fans of the MCU, almost more than nerdy group, knew it was going to be downhill after that.
Speaker 1:And it has been because of Tony Stark.
Speaker 2:Mm. Hmm, how do you beat it?
Speaker 1:it's that would be very hard to beat yeah, and captain america, even like they both were gone after that I know a lot of people really like captain america.
Speaker 2:I didn't for most of the time, would you?
Speaker 1:agree, though, like besides black panther. To go back to what we talked about earlier, besides Black Panther and Thor, the best movies are the Captain America movies, so for me it would go Black Panther, thor Ragnarok, then Winter Soldier, then Civil War.
Speaker 2:The movies are great but in Civil War Captain America bugged me the whole time. Yeah, his choices are questionable as a captain america movie, but it is the best movie. But it doesn't help me like captain america.
Speaker 1:It makes me dislike him more true, so you were always more on iron man's side yeah, and then also in winter soldier.
Speaker 2:It's very good, but I feel no love for either of the characters.
Speaker 1:Really Okay. I do, like I said, thor and Black Panther are my favorite, but I still felt love for him, and so yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean I do get at points and later on they kind of make fun of how he was.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it makes me like him more.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:I do like him more later on yes at the beginning. He's so stuck up yes, he is but in a good way uh-huh but still annoying yeah and then iron man was stuck up but in a fun way. Fun, yes you laugh with him and he grows, like his thing is about growth yes, it is and I don't think, captain Captain America's should as much be about growth, because he's always been honorable.
Speaker 1:Noble yeah.
Speaker 2:But it's almost, it's annoying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wouldn't say annoying, but I can understand what you're saying and as you were talking, I was really thinking about Iron Man's growth that culminates in the movie you're talking about Endgame. That makes, like I told you, I cried in that scene, right, I wouldn't say he's my favorite character and we'll do a whole MCU episode on it, but I still appreciate him as a character. He's my dad's favorite for sure, and he's hilarious and he brought Spider-Man.
Speaker 2:He's why we have Spider-Man even from the beginning. Iron man the first movie. Love that movie. It's great you really see the growth when he finds out what happens with his weapons yes when he is stuck with trial, because from the outside you see such a privileged guy yeah, but really he's. He has a deep sadness because of his parents, but we don't really see that at the beginning, you know you just see some playboy yeah, right so you see tons of growth in the first movie.
Speaker 2:Second movie continues to grow, even the movie's not liked as much iron man 3 ton of growth you know there's an arc that's supposed to be there yeah, 100, agree with you.
Speaker 1:So how did you feel after that movie ended? So shitty, right man, and it was sad and I didn't. I like I know you said that like people expected the mcu to go downhill, I didn't, and it did, it did though, oh you didn't. No, because I was like okay, we don't have Captain America and Iron man, but as I think back to, I knew it was going downhill.
Speaker 1:Really Okay. As I thought back to like, I'm like we still have Thor, we still have. You know, at that point didn't we still have Black Panther alive? Yes, and then everything went to hell.
Speaker 2:There's still greatness, but Iron man and Captain. America.
Speaker 1:We're the heart and soul. We're the heart and soul and they just killed them both off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but man, and with the whole Captain America upbringing, we knew it was going to be Bucky or Sam Wilson and neither of them were a good choice.
Speaker 1:No, I saw the new.
Speaker 2:Out of the two, I would want it to be Bucky.
Speaker 1:So I'm actually glad it's not Bucky, because I love how he is in the Thunderbolts.
Speaker 2:That is true. I love him in that so he's so great without the Captain America title.
Speaker 1:He doesn't need it, whereas Sam needs it. And he sucks at it Right.
Speaker 2:Captain America shouldn't need to be Captain America to feel important.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which it felt like the whole time he was just a puppy to Captain America and just wanted to be just like him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I love when Iron man in Civil War shoots him when he lands Cause, like he drives me nuts, like I saw the new Captain America. Unfortunately, besides that Red Hulk scene I talked about earlier, the rest of the movie is garbage, and where New Avengers, as it's now going to be called when it releases this week, which I'm so excited to buy on Apple, is phenomenal. So yeah, I understand. Now what's your next one? Avatar 2. Okay, I didn't feel devastated after that. Why did you feel devastated?
Speaker 2:You knew there was three more coming. Well, because of the death, oh the sun.
Speaker 1:Okay sad. It also felt so heartbreaking for the people, the natives. But let me rephrase maybe I didn't answer. Ask the question correctly, because I understand, like every other one you've given I you're actually answering correctly, but if that's what you're going off of with Avatar, it's not. What movie made you feel sad? Because of the story but which one? Sucked you in so much that when it ended, you felt hollow.
Speaker 2:It sucked me in a lot the deaths. Yeah, that's sad for all of us it was so beautiful, it was such a spectacle. When the movie ended, you're like, ah shit, back to normal life where things don't look as so it did do that for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it did. It didn't do that for me. I love it, like we both love those movies, and they're beautiful, they're stunning, but I didn't walk out being like, oh man, like why does it have to be over? Like you know what I mean, but okay keep continuing.
Speaker 2:I have a. I have another reason for that, which I won't say on the podcast. Why?
Speaker 1:because okay, you don't want me to okay but I'll tell you after.
Speaker 2:I remember now. You told me once yeah, and that's a valid reason. Yeah, so yeah, it took me a moment but I remembered I already loved the movie and I love avatar and I was really young when the first one came out, so I didn't see it in movie theaters. I watched it a couple years after.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I saw it in theaters.
Speaker 2:Because I believe I was under 10 when that movie came out.
Speaker 1:Right, 2009. 2009.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it didn't have the same effect on me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And the first time I watched it I wasn't mature enough To understand. To really love movies the way I do now. Yes, no, that's a very valid point, but with Avatar 2, I was so looking forward to it because I was able to see it in the movie theater. I loved the world. I knew it was going to be so good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. So my two movies and one of them is Instant and I know that a lot of people love this movie as well, and that is the Dark Knight Rises I loved every second of that movie that when it ended, I saw it at the midnight premiere back when they used to do really big events where people dressed up and it was a big deal. Right Nowadays they do seven o'clock showings. No one really dresses up. It's kind of sad what movie theaters have come to after COVID.
Speaker 2:I remember how big of a deal that movie was, because a dude got arrested in Utah for going to see that movie and leaving his baby in the car.
Speaker 1:Oh, no way.
Speaker 2:So that was like. You know, that's how big it was, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll have to show you the photo. It was really cool. I didn't get to dress up, but I wore a Batman shirt and I got photos taken with all the people dressed up as Batman Catwoman. It was so cool and the movie lived up for me Like that's my favorite in the trilogy, so much so that I Rises yeah.
Speaker 1:That's my favorite too. Come on, bro, Give me some. And I love it so much that I own a signed script by Christopher Nolan and I treasure it. I'll show you after the podcast. It's dope, but yeah, when that movie ended, man, I turned to my brother-in-law, Posse that I saw it with, and I was like man, I want more. Like it was so good, so good and we loved it. We loved like. When Bane first defeats him, we were in shock. The whole audience was in shock it was you're supposed to know.
Speaker 2:He defeats him.
Speaker 1:First time, though, because it was in the trailer, of course, but seeing it was so visceral yeah, I see there's no music like so haunting it was.
Speaker 2:It was so sick because first of all cat woman betrayed him oh my gosh she locked him in there, and that's how confident bane was yeah, he's like I'm gonna beat this guy down yeah and make him feel like I did yeah and just the mask broken so good yeah it was good, phenomenal, so phenomenal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could have kept watching that movie for a couple more hours, to be honest. And then another movie that flew by for me and this is the controversial one and a lot of people aren't gonna agree. And this is a controversial one and a lot of people aren't gonna agree. And this is. These aren't my top three movies by the way okay yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so these are just more movies that had an effect on me, like because my top three movies I wouldn't they're top three for different reasons make sense, um, but this one I love so much and when it ended I was so sad.
Speaker 2:It's the Zack Snyder version, not the theatrical I knew you were about to say some bullshit.
Speaker 1:The Zack Snyder version of the Just League that was only released on Max. It's four hours long. To me it felt like an hour and a half and when it ended I was so sad because I wanted more and I knew I wasn't gonna get more because that was the one and done that they were going to give Zack Snyder and you got to actually see when the studio doesn't butt their freaking head in what he was capable of, and to me it's better than any of the Avengers movies. Have you seen it? The four hour?
Speaker 2:Yeah it's not that good. Really it's good, but it's phenomenal, so overrated.
Speaker 1:No, it's not, and I just just the comic accurate dark side, the the comic accurate behavior of steppenwolf. It didn't look like steppenwolf but I still loved the design. Getting to see the flash have some really cool scenes which sadly then when they did his own movie. I love the movie but it was more comedic, which he is funny at times but not really. To be honest, that's more wally's deal where barry is more serious. So anyways, I don't want to talk about the flash right now but yeah, getting to see him and the way he was so hopeful and the way he saved the day, like oh, it was everything I wanted it was good, but it felt cheap to me no, it didn't watch it again
Speaker 2:bro, stop the villains don't seem that interesting at all.
Speaker 1:Stop, it was so cool he was trying to prove himself to Darkseid. Yeah, I know. It was sad, it was tragic.
Speaker 2:I actually felt bad for Steppenwolf, but it wasn't built up.
Speaker 1:well, it was. You're thinking of the theatrical bro. You're mixing the two.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not because I did not watch the theatrical. I waited so you saw the rated R version. I watched the Zack Snyder cut first on purpose, because it builds up to it, bro. It does in the movie, but nothing before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's not his fault. I didn't care for that.
Speaker 2:Batman, I didn't care for that Superman, I didn't care for that Flash, I didn't care for Wonder Woman, guys, this is the moment our friendship ended, but what we already had was the mcu and each character was built up and beloved in their own way yeah different people, and then that one was just kind of thrown in our face Like here's our mediocre product, suck it up.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I agree as a whole that if the Zack Snyder cut really was that good, the original release should have been good.
Speaker 1:It wasn't, because it wasn't him. It was Joss Whedon who did the first Avengers and he. If you look at them both side by side which you haven't seen the theatrical or maybe you did they're tonally different. The lines are different. I literally sat in the theater at the Joss Whedon version and threw my 3D glasses because I was so angry at everything in that movie.
Speaker 2:Everything. Maybe I am You're mixing the two, maybe I am thinking of the second one as both.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you are because, dude, like if you went back and watched the snyder cut, it's comic accurate to so many degrees, I got to see green lantern even for a brief moment. It wasn't a famous green lantern from the comics, but the way he handled the new gods and the way he handled dark side, who, by the way you know. It's been a very known thing that Thanos is based on Darkseid Right and the way he had a Steppenwolf.
Speaker 2:Thanos was done better in theatrical Well we never got to see truly Darkseid.
Speaker 1:We got to see him at the end. It was cool. Like the tease of what Snyder had planned was so beautiful. Getting to see Superman rise again and get in the black suit, where he never did that in the theatrical, like the iconic black and silver suit from the comics, was so amazing for us fans and it's like and then the way flash, like the way they showed his powers, was so sick. The way batman fought and showed that he was. Although he's a symbol of darkness, he's a symbol of hope. Like there was nothing in that movie I would change and in fact, you know what, kyle, I'm gonna watch it again tonight. That's how much I love that movie. And when it ended I was so sad because Snyder truly loved the DCU. Warner Brothers hated Snyder and were looking to destroy his reputation. It shows because even the ultimate edition of Batman vs Superman is a night and day different movie from the theatrical.
Speaker 2:That's true. They hated him and I hate them. Did Zack Snyder do the original as well?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they made him edit out so much they didn't want it rated R where he's like it has to be rated R. I don't think it had to be rated.
Speaker 2:R. It had to be rated R. The thing that you're looking so forward to with the new Superman. They're polar opposites.
Speaker 1:So again when new superman, they're polar opposites. So again when you have batman versus superman, the dark knight returns is a rated r comic, you had to do rated r. So, yes, it had to be rated r and they did a great job in the ultimate edition. Is it a perfect movie? No, but it's a night and day better than theatrical. Man is still did not need to be rated r, so man is still is pg-13, which is therefore the superman movie. Those are fair. Yeah, so it's like they hated Snyder and I'm very passionate about this, because Snyder, if he's made some bad stuff his Rebel Moon stuff kind of sucks, but man, it shows that he cared about the DCU and he had Christopher Nolan's backing, which says a lot because Christopher Nolan produced man of Steel and his wife produced the Ultimate Edition and produced the Justice League of his version, not the Joss Whedon garbage. And it's like Hans Zimmer was on board for it. He was all for it.
Speaker 1:Junkie XL the best soundtracks that have ever existed to me come from Hans Zimmer and the man of Steel soundtrack I still listen to to this day. I still listen to the flash song when he has to rewind time in the zack snyder justice league. So when that movie ended I was so mad and you could feel my passion. I'll fight anybody. You feel your anger, yeah. So that movie left a hole in my heart for those reasons and it's just such a phenomenal movie as a comic fan and I cried a lot in that movie, like getting to see so many things that I remember in the screen. I was like from the pages. I was like the way they showed so many cool things. But I can go on and on, so we'll end there. Let's go to books.
Speaker 2:I think we should do another episode on those movies. On the fall of Zack Snyder and why he was a hit job no like the DC movies that are out, specifically Batman vs Superman, the Justice League Theatrical and Zack Snyder Cut. All those movies you like, I don't like Theatrical of either of those. Okay, I hate both of them, then I'll just watch the ones you like yeah? And then I'll beat them into the ground like you do the Batman.
Speaker 2:You won't be able to. Oh, it'll be so easy, because then on top of that, I need you to read some comics from a movie. Okay, because then you'll appreciate them more. I'll do that, but from a theatrical, like a movie, standpoint, I'll I feel like I could destroy them?
Speaker 1:yeah, you, I don't think so and, uh, I will fight you to the death because I hated those theatrical versions and it wasn't zach snyder's movie. He has distanced himself from them right. So I remember all that drama, yeah, and joss whedon is a joke, like avengers was a one-hit wonder for him.
Speaker 2:I never watched firefly well if you re-watch the avengers it's kind of bad. As a full it's not that good. It's not. The first half of the movie sucks, yeah, but the end where they're fighting, I swear it just turns to a point when they're fighting and it feels like a totally different movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, he's not in my top for directing. He's at the bottom for what he did to Justice League. I have a feeling when we do discuss these things things you have to go with me down a rabbit hole of a conspiracy I have with joss whedon, working for the warner brothers execs, who were against zach snyder because, I mean, his daughter committed suicide so he had to leave and, instead of being a good studio, well, I'll put a pin in it, but there's a lot more baggage that we're going to go into. Um, if you want to discuss those movies.
Speaker 1:I'm very passionate about those movies I'm very protective of that stuff I'm very protective of those movies. The zack snyder versions and man of steel is one of the best superman movies. I'm excited, beyond excited for the new one. But man is still, will always have a place in my heart and um outside of those. Flash was good, not great um aquaman.
Speaker 2:One last movie, the the one with ezra miller yeah, it was good, but not great.
Speaker 1:I liked seeing the old batman come back. It was cool yeah but it wasn't very comic accurate parts, but overall it's a. It's a two out of ten five for me.
Speaker 2:That movie, yeah, it's a two out of five. So that's okay, yeah, but it's good, it's a two out of five.
Speaker 1:So that's okay, yeah, but it's good, like it's not one. Like I watch and I get angry, like where I watched the Joss Whedon Joss Leak in the theater. I literally threw my CD glasses and I wanted to walk out but the person I was with wouldn't let me.
Speaker 2:But I was like this is bull crap, this Without your glasses? Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1:I watched it fuzzy. I watched the whole climax fuzzy and I didn't care because I wasn't really watching them. My eyes were watching but my brain was that's funny to picture, yeah my brain was stewing on how bad I hated that movie, and that's the same thing that happened to me. I didn't see it in theaters, but with the second Star Wars movie where he killed Snoke.
Speaker 2:Rise of Skywalker no, the Last Jedi, the Last Jedi, yeah.
Speaker 1:Where he threw the lightsaber. I hated every second of that movie and I was complaining the whole time, but the person I was with again wouldn't let me leave and I was like I hate this movie, like yeah anyways, but let's go on to books before I get more mad, okay fair enough, you're bringing a PTSD.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, because I was trying to heat you up a little bit. I didn't think you'd go that far.
Speaker 1:We'll do an episode on it and I'll just unleash like the Hulk.
Speaker 2:Okay. So go ahead though I feel bad now. No, it's all good From books wise, I'm not a big book reader. Yes, You've gotten more into it, though I do not find it enjoyable Because my mind wanders While I'm reading and then I have to go back. Even with Audible, it's a whole ordeal. No, with Audible I or like Audiobooks, it's a lot easier for me. Well, that's what we're talking about. It can be Audible stuff, right? I just wanted to give a background.
Speaker 1:Oh, on physical reading.
Speaker 2:Because I haven't read a lot, even listened to a lot, Right? So this is a little bit of recency bias maybe.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But Onyx Storm.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I haven't gotten there yet the drop-off. For that I wouldn't say I was depressed, because I was just so sad I couldn't read anymore. I mean kind of because there's a long wait for the next one, which really sucks Because the past three came out really quickly after each other.
Speaker 1:That means she doesn't know what she wants to do yet.
Speaker 2:Well, she has said she knows how each book ends.
Speaker 1:That's how she starts each one. It's from the ending that goes back.
Speaker 2:She knows how each book is going to end. She knows how the whole series ends. It was originally supposed to be a trilogy. I think halfway through writing the second one she decided it needed to be five books.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to give it room to breathe, which I appreciate.
Speaker 2:But at the end of Onyx Storm, there's so much mystery, there's so much mystery, there's so much you don't know. It ends on like five different cliffhangers.
Speaker 1:No way.
Speaker 2:And you're just trying to piece together all of these different things. Or some things happen and you don't know how they happened. It doesn't make sense, Like there's ways it could make sense but you don't know there's some hints to how certain things happened or some theories, but you don't know. There's so many different things that you just can't wait to find out how they happened. What happened, why they happened. What happened. Why they happened, who it happened to Okay. So many different things.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So it just drives me nuts.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's like a mix of like sadness for the weight, but also a mix of like oh man, there's so many mysteries that I want to have solved.
Speaker 2:And the other thing that drives me more nuts is my friend Mikey. Here my sister. Anyone that I know that has read the books has not finished Onyx Storm yet.
Speaker 1:So I cannot talk about theories with any of my friends and I've had to be quiet about it since January oh no, that's a long time.
Speaker 2:I can't talk about any of them. It's driving me insane, because nobody will just get a grip and finish them well, because we want the dramatized I know that's the most irritating part is it's out not yet can finish.
Speaker 1:No, not the dramatized but it's a whole different story with the drama.
Speaker 1:Audiobook are out, so they they're choosing not to because they're so privileged with the dramatized versions yeah, it's driving me insane, and I can, honestly, though, understand your emotions with like onyx storm, like, of course, like I also understand like you wanted to discuss and you can't um, I haven't. I'm excited to get to that point with this series and I know it will come, because I'm liking flame, iron Flame so far a lot. It's like a way better book than the first one, because, as you know, I had my complaints with the first one and when it ended, I wasn't sad, I wasn't like oh, and I wasn't like gung-ho to jump into the next one.
Speaker 2:I was sad because of what happened right before it ended.
Speaker 1:That was sad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, liam broke my heart right, so that part was very sad. But the end of the book, you're kind of like I kind of want to find out what happens with that.
Speaker 1:You know you're not, I didn't care for the brendan reveal, find that I was hoping for something bigger when, when everyone was like there's something big at the end I was hoping for something related to the band before you listen to it, and I wanted something to do with the van and like we learned that, like the, her mom was behind creating. I'm like, so I think I was looking in a different direction for what would have excited me. I didn't. I thought, oh, brendan's dead. He's dead cool.
Speaker 2:I believe each of the books are better than the last okay so you do get bigger cliffhangers with the next one okay so with the one you're I heard it's infuriating bigger so my sister and uh, my mom finished the second one.
Speaker 1:They both bawled their eyes out the second one ending and said that it like devastates you where it's hard for my mom to jump into onyx storm because she was so devastated still. So I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2:I just hope they didn't overhype it again and I'm gonna be looking for something you gotta stop listening to other people, and I know you're a spoiler turd, I am a spoiler baby spoilers. It's like anxiety, bro favorite people. You heard it here first.
Speaker 1:You have to stop that shit I know I do, I do, but I won't and so you have to?
Speaker 2:no, I'm actually getting better. I have to pay the price I have to pay the price.
Speaker 1:To be honest, though, like I'm actually staying away from spoilers with this, because I could ask them, oh, what happens? But I'm saying, hey, don't tell me. So I think I am changing in that regard, where it's like I want to be surprised by rebecca and her writing. Um, but yeah, the, the brendan one I didn't know was coming, I didn't even suspect it. So it did come out of left field because they made it pretty clear he was dead. So it kind of felt like a forest reveal to me. Maybe we'll learn more about how that went down. Brandon's already told her like, oh yeah, he did exhaust himself trying to bring me back, but it actually worked where they told you it didn't work.
Speaker 2:So it's like that's one of the big mysteries of the books, because that's supposed to be impossible yeah.
Speaker 1:So maybe that will be cool to see the bigger overarching mystery then add more weight to that reveal. Because when the reveal happened I was like I couldn't care less, like and I know that looking back there's hints because the book of brandon is constantly quoted, so it's like, oh, he's still alive, like when you look back the hints are there, but it still felt left field. I think she more should have. After we just encountered the venon, had a cool reveal of like, oh, the mom is behind it and it shows her, like you know, talking about, do they know? But then we find out the next bit the mom had no idea about any of this and I thought it was cool that she had her daughter's back, you know so how far are you into iron flame?
Speaker 1:so not that far I'm in the part. Um, so what has happened? She just went and saw zayden again and then she just got tortured where she uh the lightning torture that. And then they all got drugged and they lost one of their, their, so the forest, what do they call them?
Speaker 2:the nature trials or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where I'm at right now and it's really good. I'm actually really liking this book, but I save it for work it is good and it feels more homey it does they're?
Speaker 1:comfortable where they are and I'm liking dane dane does get better, and I'm calling it he did not know. It's very obvious. He did not know and it's not him that did this. So there's going to be a bigger reveal of who truly betrayed them, and it's not dane, and I don't want you to tell me. But dane did not read her mind and so because right now she's hating dane, saying you read my mind, and he's acting, and why I know this is because the way he's responding to her anger, he's like confused. If he knew he did something, he wouldn't be acting like a child, like wait, why are you hating me? I know you want to tell me well, there's.
Speaker 2:There's a couple things I want to say. They're not really spoilers they.
Speaker 1:They're not spoilers.
Speaker 2:Okay, but if I tell you this thing, then you might.
Speaker 1:Connect the dots.
Speaker 2:Actually, I really don't think it's that big of a deal.
Speaker 1:Actually, do you know what? Go ahead and tell me, is Dane behind the betrayal?
Speaker 2:Well, I think it's obvious he's not Okay good.
Speaker 1:I don't think it ever tells you explicitly that he doesn't know it doesn't tell you that he doesn't know, but they tell you that he is. They. Right now, the characters still believe that he was behind it all, and okay so the character zayden, the character, all of the that group, um, the girl, what's her name? Riannon? No, the one that's a rebel, um, that's teaching her how to fight and working out with. She goes on, runs with her.
Speaker 2:Oh, Imogen.
Speaker 1:Imogen. All of them hate Dane because they think he's behind Liam's death, because they think he read her mind and told the dad. But you're saying that it's official.
Speaker 2:But you just said the obvious answer, I know.
Speaker 1:And I know it's not, but I just was curious if you're confirming it.
Speaker 2:Right, but I just was curious if you're confirming it. Right, but no, you said the obvious answer Of who's behind it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, no, we know that the dad is the one that left the note, but I'm saying how did he know and they're thinking right now, how did he know what that they had had those rendezvous? Because the reason why in the end of the first book, if you remember that they go to that in the games, they go to that in the games, they go to that town and there's a note letting them know that. Hey, basically we know you broke the rules that you made with us when the rebellion ended. So you have a choice now and they're basically trying to off and immediately in the book she leads you to believe that dane read her mind because there are clues where he kept trying to touch her face. But in the second book, although the characters are all feeling like so there's got to be another reveal that someone told the dad because the dad was nice to her, the last interaction they had well, dane could have confided in his dad right, like you know I don't think he read.
Speaker 1:The mind is what I'm trying to tell you. I don't think he did.
Speaker 2:I think he, if he touches his, your someone's face, I think that he sees something, even if he doesn't want to. Yes, Like whatever's going through your mind.
Speaker 1:But so you're. But you've read, so you know the answer. You're playing with me here.
Speaker 2:I don't remember. Well, it's obvious that the dad is behind the whole attack.
Speaker 1:Yes, but did he get the info from Dane I?
Speaker 2:think so, because let's say, for example, he touches Violet's face and what he sees is the weapons, and then he goes and asks his dad, no say it ain't so, bro.
Speaker 1:I don't like that. What? I don't like that because it's going to make me hate. And asks his dad no, say it ain't so, bro. I don't like that. What? I don't like that because it's going to make me hate Dane more then no, I don't think. I think he can't be behind it.
Speaker 2:I don't think Dane would ever think that his dad would do that, so even if His dad's a commander. Right, but Dane really cares for Violet. I don't think he would have told her. Told him if he knew he was going to do something. So I could see Dane asking his dad a certain question that had nothing to do with Venom, you know.
Speaker 1:Okay, so now that you've opened this counter, I'm going to confirm with my sister, who just freshly read the two books. Sounds like you're not a hundred percent Sure. I am you read them in January or like whenever, which is seven months ago.
Speaker 2:Well, here's, let's just here's something that might help this. We nobody knows what Atos is Signet is really. He has a secret signet. That's dope. So even in the third book everyone's thinking what is his signet? Because he obviously wanted to kill violet and zayden in the first, at the end of the first book who deemed it no oh the dad, dad oh yeah I can.
Speaker 2:I like when we were talking about it, like, and I feel like everyone else in the lore, they call dang dane and they call atos yes, you're right they call the general atos, you know, or what is it? Commander, whatever he is?
Speaker 1:But that does bring up more questions. I just ruined something for myself by Googling it.
Speaker 2:What did you ruin?
Speaker 1:No, I'm not going to say it because then you'll confirm it further. Say it Varysh.
Speaker 2:Something happens with Varysh and Dane, what did you read exactly? I closed it, bro, Okay you closed it, but what did you see? Don't open it back up. Oh, I just opened it back up, close it and shut that shit off.
Speaker 1:But what did you see? Dane Atos kills Varys.
Speaker 2:Not quite Okay, so continue reading, I will Okay.
Speaker 1:I'm excited you ruined one of my favorite parts. Sorry bro. Okay, I really am a new man and I'm not going to spoil things, okay, but so I could, especially with this.
Speaker 2:you don't want to spoil it, because there's so many Cool moments, there's so many things that you find out that lead to like it's a big story, but everything's connected. I'm excited. So you don't want to spoil one thing, because the whole time you'll be thinking of something else yeah like that lead that is dealing with that thing yeah, no, I feel you but hurry up and finish the second book. Okay, then we can at least talk about some stuff okay, I will.
Speaker 1:Um, I should be able to finish it this week and so, because I listen to it at work, it's my work like thing I listen to and I love it. Um, but what's your second book before I jump into mine?
Speaker 2:I don't really have a second book, but one thing that I really enjoyed another book that when it ended it kind of was lame was Ready Player One oh, okay, that was a great book, yeah, and also disappointing movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It was a good movie and I understand why they didn't do the same exact things, because in have you read the book?
Speaker 1:Long time ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know how in the book the first game they play is Joust, so that would be a boring thing to watch.
Speaker 1:It would be and it wouldn't translate in an epic way, right yeah?
Speaker 2:and then in, I believe only the last game is the same game. No, it's not.
Speaker 1:None of the games are the same yeah, because they need more spectacle, because they did a race, great option great option to change it.
Speaker 2:Second game was the game um.
Speaker 2:I've never played it, but it was the typing game so when games first came out, you type you'd say go left, and it would tell you what you found and you'd say turn around or you know, but you're searching for something yeah, I never played those either, so that was the second game, but they actually were in it physically and they were searching for these items that they needed to complete it, which was a great part in the book which could have translated. And then the third one was I believe it was the the first ever Easter egg in a game. So that was the same game, cause you know how they were trying to finish the game but they kept dying and then they won.
Speaker 2:He's like. But then he goes up and he goes to the easter egg. So that was cool. And there's also a big part in the book where he isolates himself. So instead of the girl coming and grabbing him, like that whole group coming and saving him, he goes alone. He goes out alone by himself and he just lives in solitude. I don't think I actually did read, I own it. It's upstairs and there's a ton of stuff that comes with his solitude.
Speaker 2:Because she doesn't want to talk to him anymore okay instead of her rejecting him and then coming right back to save him right it's actually distant okay, you know, and he doesn't have any friends. He's by himself right you do get to see more of the virtual world like what a world is like when everything is virtual, virtual reality yeah, so that part's cool, but it also wouldn't have translated well. It would have been rated r. It would have been depressing instead of the happy movie it was it's still a good movie, but books better yeah, the movie's really exciting.
Speaker 1:I need to grab the copy I have and read it because maybe I started it. I got it years ago from a girl at work who was a big fan.
Speaker 2:I swear I started it, yeah, so just work on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're like, don't get distracted don't get distracted but that's it for me okay, and so those are good ones for me. The really first one that devastated me when I finished was uh, thrown a glass. Thrown a glass is such a fantastic series you're gonna say that, yeah, I loved every single second.
Speaker 1:I love selena, I love um kane, I love what's his name, um rowan. I love every single character. Dorian, like the whole cast, is so well fleshed out that you care about all of them. Even the king is a very interesting and cool character, but I can't say why. It's like, oh, when that book ended, man, I I cried because the ending is very devastating, but beautiful at the same time and very hopeful. And yeah, that world sucked me in so much that I was so sad. And I remember like there was another series called court of thorns that the same author wrote.
Speaker 2:So I was like okay, those confused all the time yeah.
Speaker 1:So I jumped into that one. I read it and it wasn't the same. Like I, I can see the appeal of why people like it, but it didn't have the same effect. When I finished the first book, I never read the other ones because I'm like no, that's not for me, I don't vibe with it. But then there's another series which is my second one.
Speaker 1:Well, it's a tie between two hunger games, for obvious reasons, because they're phenomenal, right. But the other one I actually want to take time to talk about is from the same author Crescent City. So I got to say Sarah J Maas is my favorite author because the Crescent City series is so good it's like thrown it's not as good as thrown a glass in my opinion, but it's different. It's like a mix of fantasy and sci-fi in the most fantastic, cool way. You care about Bryce that's the main character. You care about her love interest, who she meets I'm trying to remember his name um, he's an angel of and so it's cool.
Speaker 1:They have angels, they have demons, they have like wolves, it has like everything and it's very rated r. So you get really visceral action and, um, it's just. If they ever make into a show, it would be hbo for sure. Um, that would have to do it because they're good at that kind of stuff, and yeah. So when that one ended, too, I was so sad and I was like so now I have the other two, though. So I have all three, but I need to find time to read them. So I have a backlog of books because I am a reader, but I'm going to finish the ones first. Rebecca Yarrow's, I Am, and so we can discuss it and talk about it, but throwing a glass kicks.
Speaker 2:So far, um, the fourth wings yeah, I know your um comparisons, especially with the main mel character, and so you like the other one rowan would destroy zayden, so that's yeah but it's funny because once you keep reading I wonder. I want to know if your opinion changes it won't because of how rowan views sex.
Speaker 1:He views it like a, like a. He's just a horned dog man, where I mean sorry how zayden also includes that, because all around because zayden is so annoying. Where he's like I just I want you so bad. And he says he comes across like not loving, he comes across like a horn dog to me.
Speaker 2:So far right and I didn't like that either. But let's just wait because I think your opinion might change. It might. You might still like the other guy more, but your opinion will change yeah, and I'll definitely be open to that.
Speaker 1:I'm excited. Like I said, I like iron flame. I keep wanting to call flame and shadow, but that's actually the crescent city series. Um, but iron flame is so good, um, but yeah, those are my books. And then hungry games. Man, I think we all got devastated when that ended because we loved that world. And did you read those by chance? I have not read them okay, they're so good, I don't want to compare them because I love the movies the movies um.
Speaker 1:First movie I didn't like. Um, I felt like they didn't capture the games like I imagined when I read the book.
Speaker 2:Second movie they did phenomenal I that's what I hear is the people that read the books. The second one is the best one best movie? Hey, they capture it so perfectly, it's like and it also has a different feel to it, but I also can appreciate both of the styles I feel like I don't know.
Speaker 1:The first movie, I remember we all made shirts. We were such diehard fans, we made our own shirts. We went to the midnight premiere and then, from the moment it started, I was like, oh, I don't imagine district 12 like this. And I ended up accepting that, like in the second one, because they're more traveling on their like tour. But I was like, oh, I don't like how this is. I don't like how this is like. I was picking it apart the whole time.
Speaker 2:And when you got to the games, that's why, no, I don't want to read it yeah and so.
Speaker 1:But the second movie, oh, they nailed it. Third movie they, they, uh, they didn't capture the essence. The third movie movie is hard though, because in the fourth, because part one and two because Mockingjay has a lot of very complex things that happen.
Speaker 2:You kind of sensed that was missing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they didn't capture the intensity behind it, it was just it wasn't translated.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, but the second one. So good I love the intent or the the second part.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, I still didn't love that one you know the lizard like creature, things like the creatures that attack them. I don't know if it's in the movie because I didn't watch part two, but did it show that where they're in the?
Speaker 1:ad never watched part two. No, because I didn't like part one. I was like they're not capturing pita well, and when he gets the yellow jacket and it like transforms him into evil for snow, they didn't do that well. So it was like that was such a crucial moment in the book that I was like so annoyed.
Speaker 2:Okay, watch the second one. But you remember the creatures. They're not in it.
Speaker 1:That was one of the most intense parts. See, they left out some of the best parts. There's these creatures in this tunnel that snow lets loose, that are like oh, they are in it.
Speaker 2:They are in it, my bad, my bad, okay.
Speaker 1:Did they do a good job? Are they intense? Yeah, that was, oh yeah. And the book dude, I was like on the edge of my seat. I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah, I can't believe I was facing that but that part handsome guy from that she meets at number two. He gets eaten. Don't speak about it. Yeah, they got you. Yeah, because he in the book man mocking jay's so good. I love the ending of the book where she ends up with pita.
Speaker 1:I love that and how she realizes he was the warmth she needed all this time. Do they do that in the movie? I hope so yes, they do.
Speaker 2:They end it it with her sitting on a field with a kid, but you don't know whose kid it is. I don't think. Oh, okay, but you know it's Peeta because he's blonde.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Peeta's just so sweet in the book and the actor did okay. There's better actors, but that's another topic for another day and so, but yeah, those are my books. Do you have anything else?
Speaker 2:no, that's, that's all, because I could go on and on. I know we really could man.
Speaker 1:This could be a five hour episode, really, because we could dive into so many other more movies, like I remember inception ending and I felt devastated, but for different reasons, right, because it hurt my head so much and so and I wanted to watch it again and again and go back to that world to solve the mystery. Can I just ask you, and just without going into depth, was he awake or was he asleep?
Speaker 2:I think he was asleep Me too.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're on the same wavelength and so that's another. We'll do a Christopher Nolan episode next July to celebrate the Odyssey, and we'll dive into all his movies.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm so excited, even to celebrate the Odyssey and we'll dive into all his movies oh, I'm so excited, even Tenet, which is a disappointment. I like.
Speaker 1:Tenet, I like it visually, but I hated the story and I know for a fact you cannot explain it to me because it doesn't make sense to anybody. I don't even think it makes sense to Christopher Nolan, because that story makes no sense bro.
Speaker 2:I've watched it like five, can you?
Speaker 1:explain it. I can, but I would need a like I would need to take notes.
Speaker 2:I really don't think you can and I will give you literally ten dollars, if you can on a future episode I can definitely try my best, but I don't think I'm good at explaining complex things like that, because I tried to explain the movie. Um, it was the one with uh jordan pill uh, the one where he does the coffee drink.
Speaker 1:That's really good.
Speaker 2:It's the get out no, no, the one with the look up in the sky or whatever. Look up alien yeah, look up or whatever. I tried to explain that movie to someone and they would not get it.
Speaker 1:Why that movie makes sense, right.
Speaker 2:Who was it?
Speaker 1:Let's out them. No, just kidding, it was mainly the monkey thing, oh.
Speaker 2:The monkey thing in the shoe.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, can we do an episode on Jordan Peele?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they wouldn't understand why the monkey chilled out.
Speaker 1:Or what about the shoe? Let me watch it again and I'll tell you, I'll text you. Tonight I think I'm gonna watch justice league, but boring, amazing, mediocre. You know we just changed this episode. This is now a fight and we're gonna just kidding, and so, um, yeah, I like jordan pill. By the way, I do too. I love his second movie that he made with us. I love that movie, and when you learn at the end that, like she killed, her.
Speaker 2:I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1:I know it's hard feelings for you. Devastated you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it just makes me mad.
Speaker 1:Yeah and so, but so good, okay. So with that, I want to lead into tying this all together, what we talked about, right? So, with you guys, our listeners, our friends, our family, because that's what you guys are to us, and we want you guys to now share with us stories, movies, games, books that have ended and it devastated you, because why we share this is in life. Right, we also experience those same emotions and we're not going to go into like our own individual, like traumas that we've been through, but we know that sometimes things happen that weigh on our heart and we want to go back to simpler times. Right, when a movie ends, we want to rewind. When a book ends, we want to reread it and have that fresh experience.
Speaker 1:So that was the whole point of sharing all this is when we get locked into a world, right, where that is just. It moves us, it takes us there, it transports us there. When it ends, it's devastating and, as we've shared today, there are those experiences that we've had, and there's many more that we could go on and on. Like he said, but with life we go through hard times and when we go through those hard times, we want to go back to the simpler times, the easier times, and we can't, though. We have to move forward, right, and what we've learned with all of these examples we've gave is there's always something brighter, or there's always, I wouldn't say, brighter, actually. Let me rephrase that there's always another bright thing, right, when we finish the Hunger Games, there's always going to be a thrown a glass. When we finish this book, we're both going to read the Demon. What is it called? The James Cameron's Adapting?
Speaker 1:I think it's just called the Demons. Yeah, the Demons. We're going to read that one next. So it's like, although you will feel those emotions, those devastations when you go through a hard trauma, and you want to go back and rewind and erase that trauma, you can't, and there's always going to be another story waiting for you.
Speaker 2:I think this is a perfect place for sitcoms. I think sitcoms are always a comfort that you can always go back to. Yeah, I love Modern Family. Big Bang Theory and Friends.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen Modern Family, but I love Big Bang Theory Modern.
Speaker 2:Family is fantastic.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Also, big Bang Theory is my biggest comfort show Mine too, so I always go back to it, but it's a heartwarming ending it really is and I love that he ends up with Amy and how that all goes and where he thanks all his friends.
Speaker 2:That finale was so beautiful, I cried.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and my other comfort is the office. I adore it, and I know people don't like the later seasons. I love them.
Speaker 2:The office kind of just irritates me a little bit. It's not a comfort for me, but I do enjoy it yeah.
Speaker 1:And so, but just remember, everybody, there's always going to be something bright waiting for you, whether it's a sitcom that you can rewatch, whether it's another movie or a new series. Like I said, we're going to finish this move on In life. When you go through hard times, there's always going to be something bright waiting on the horizon. So push through it, everybody, don't give up. So with that, everybody, we're going to segue into a couple of fun questions now that I have for Kyle, and then I'll answer these questions as well. Are you ready, kyle? Ready? Okay, what is a movie, book, game, universe you would want to exist in, and tell me why?
Speaker 2:Avatar. It's pretty self-explanatory.
Speaker 1:It's not.
Speaker 2:If you picture yourself as Navi, you know, living in the forest, just being. I think we all can imagine a life where you don't have to worry about money, materialistic things like just being one with the earth and getting chased by monsters. That's the perfect dream life, almost like. Of course, you'll still have like your trials and um difficult things like surviving, but one of the great things about avatar is you live with the nature.
Speaker 2:You are one with the nature yeah so even though those things are so dangerous to the people, they're not dangerous to the Navi.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2:He gets hunted in the first movie immediately right, because he's not one of the people, he's not a Navi.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're saying because they could sense that, because he gets hunted while he's in Navi form.
Speaker 2:He doesn't belong there at that time. Okay.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that in the Lord they could sense when someone's actually human impersonating a Na'vi.
Speaker 2:Well, they talk about it a lot because of the fingers, from a visual standpoint, but the monster can tell that. The little jaguar thing I don't know, but when other people are there, there's never an issue. Like when he prays to Ewa and says, like we need your help, and then the same giant jaguar thing that tries to kill him earlier connects with Natari, I always say that wrong, yeah, you're right. And then all of a sudden they're all together.
Speaker 1:They're all working together. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I love that scene. Ewa heard you. I love it. It's so iconic.
Speaker 2:It's such a perfect escape movie where it's just beautiful and you can just look at it all day. So what about you, Mikey?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So let me tell you first, though, like I think that's a really cool answer and your reasoning is pretty cool too. But can I ask you one more question before we go into mine? You know, please Go ahead. Okay, and so with Avatar, would you try to like form your own tribe? Would you want to join an existing tribe?
Speaker 2:No, I just want to exist.
Speaker 1:Would you be a lone ranger, like? Would you be out there like a nomad, or would you like try to incorporate into like one of the tribes, and which tribe would it be?
Speaker 2:Honestly we haven't seen enough of the other tribes Water tribe would be sick, but with the forest people I want my own dragon.
Speaker 1:Which is so sick. They're the sky people, they're not the forest people. I just realized that. Aren't they the sky tribe?
Speaker 2:they are the sky. I believe they are the sky tribe, but they also are a part of the forest group yes, but don't they introduce themselves as the sky people? No, I don't know, because the air nomads exist. So I don't know because the air nomads exist. So I don't know what the separation is.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, but you would join based on what you know. You would join the forest people then.
Speaker 2:I think so. Yes, flying is my thing.
Speaker 1:I think that's sick, that's sick and the water's scary. In that world there's all those big creatures.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'd love to be in the water too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're just a brave soul man. I guess when you're nine feet tall you can be.
Speaker 2:That's the perk.
Speaker 1:And so. But for me, I would honestly say I would like to be in the Harry Potter universe for very obvious reasons. I think a lot of you guys listening will agree with me. It's magical. But there's a caveat. I want to exist way before Voldldemort was ever born, ever thought of. So. There's no tom riddle, there's none of that. I want to exist just purely, where I can go to hogwarts, get an education.
Speaker 2:When I did the pottermore quiz I was, uh, ravenclaw, so I'd hope I'd get placed in ravenclaw and if you were a wizard, would you want to live like with your own people, or would you want to live amongst your own people? Or would you want to live amongst civilization my own?
Speaker 1:people. I'd want to fully immerse myself, be a full-on wizard, work at Gringotts Bank with the little goblins.
Speaker 2:Oh, you'd want to work there, or would you want to be a professor?
Speaker 1:A professor would be cool actually. Yeah, I'd do a professor. Professor would be dope, but I'd want to teach defense against the dark arts. I'd want to be like combat guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be cool. I'd want to be the animals teacher.
Speaker 1:Oh, like Hagrid is yeah, yeah, that'd be really sick. What does that teacher call? I can't remember.
Speaker 2:I don't. I'm not a super big fan of Harry Potter, Right.
Speaker 1:I think it's cool, but it doesn't really spark my interest. I feel you. I feel you. Yeah, that would be a cool teacher too, though. To get to like teach everyone all about the different creatures of the universe. That'd be so dope. Oh, that's awesome. But yeah, so that's mine, man. I think it'd be so much fun and, like I said, tom riddle wouldn't exist. Of course, evil has always existed, no matter what universe, right, whether it's avatar, there's going to be someone that pops up.
Speaker 1:But I don't want to deal with all the drama that comes with Harry Potter existing and Voldemort and the fear. You know what I mean. No, I just want to enjoy the world.
Speaker 2:No, I know, but you're going to have something bad.
Speaker 1:Well, there probably would be, Like in Hogwarts Legacy there's the Goblin King, whatever his name is you just don't want a world war. I don't want a world war where, like we're all under threat, we're all in fear. Like those, movies are great and the books are great too.
Speaker 2:I've read them all. In that case, I want to be on Pandora before the people get there. That'd be dope.
Speaker 1:I totally feel that, yeah, and where everything's thriving, thriving, the forest isn't burnt down like okay, that'd be sick, and your only threat is like the fire tribe which we're gonna see this year.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited and so yeah, no, I 100 can see that being so much fun and so, yeah, so that's my answer. The next question that we're gonna get to here is mr kyle, which movie game book universe would you want to exist in? But you know, if you did, you would only live a little bit before you were murked. Hunger games Such a good answer. Such a good answer. When he gave this answer to me before we recorded, I was so mad because I didn't think of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and when I think of this answer it's like I'm in hunger games. I am in the games, yes I know what you mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you think you would win, though. Do you think you have a chance, or do you truly think you would die?
Speaker 2:um, with your size, you might win I think I'd have a better chance than most, because a lot of the people in the games are just. They're just like practice right for a lot of them.
Speaker 1:What district would you want to be from? There's only one really easy answer. What is it? District 1? Yeah, because they get trained the most, Right?
Speaker 2:So you'd be a combat specialist baby, if I was trained. I don't know, A lot of people probably think this, but if I was trained my whole life to be in the games. I think it'd be a piece of cake.
Speaker 1:You think so Because the guy from District 1 in both all three movies Right, but that's because he played games. Okay.
Speaker 2:I would not play games, you don't think. If you were such a warrior, you wouldn't have an ego, probably. But if I had my personality now, oh true, and then you were just I would be a hunter yeah I would be solo. If I had a group of people around me that wanted to be my friends, you would kill him. I'd probably kill him yeah, you'd be like.
Speaker 2:No, thank you but I would want to be in the shadows tracking each person because I'm looking at survival. Yeah, I want to survive. Yeah, I would probably. My weapon of choice would probably be the bow and arrow. That's what I was Tracking each person. Because I'm looking at survival. Yeah, I want to survive yeah. I would probably. My weapon of choice would probably be the bow and arrow.
Speaker 1:That's what I was going to ask you next. If you had limitless weapons, would you do just the bow and arrow?
Speaker 2:Probably the bow and arrow. If I could have, like I'd need the bow and arrow and like the sword that they have.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Or a spear.
Speaker 1:That's sick.
Speaker 2:What about daggers? It's light work.
Speaker 1:What about daggers? You could throw them at them.
Speaker 2:Daggers would be fun, but they're not very lethal.
Speaker 1:Oh true, unless you know where to aim. But remember, you're trained, so for you they would be lethal. Yeah, but even if you're trained, well, did you choose District 1, by the way, where would you want to be from?
Speaker 2:I guess choose district one. By the way, where would you want to be from? I guess district one okay, but a dagger. I feel like if you got thrown with a dagger anywhere other than like your heart, like head or neck, you're gonna be fine. It's not that too damaging, you know, like if you were hit with a dagger somewhere you could still fight yes, but you could bleed out if it hits an artery in your arm or like in your leg.
Speaker 1:I get what you're saying, though overall you have a higher chance you also have time to dodge a dagger.
Speaker 2:It's going much slower than a bow yeah, much slower.
Speaker 1:oh yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2:And you could probably even throw a spear harder, like a spear would be harder to avoid.
Speaker 1:I don't know the ballistics on that, but the reason I ask is you said you wanted to be stealthy, so that's why I asked about the daggers. I thought that'd be cool. Where you're in the shadows you're just like one by one, just take people out, hit them in the neck, you know.
Speaker 2:Right, but with a bow and arrow. Yeah, nobody knows. Nobody knows, they're gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, dude, okay, so you would probably survive then Maybe. So this isn't the right answer, man.
Speaker 2:Maybe, but I'm trying to be realistic. I'd probably die if it was just me right now.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, okay, so if you were just transported there all of a sudden like a teleporter, you were in your bed and then you woke up at the beginning of the games. That's what you're saying. Okay, yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. But if you were in the universe, district one, you'd probably survive. I do, I could imagine you do, because you're so big too that if it came to hand to hand, you'd probably win. If you look at all the characters, you'd probably wreck them all. Dude, you'd see pita like disguised as a rock and you just stomp him because me now I don't think I kill someone right, well, I mean, I'm glad I couldn't kill them unless they were.
Speaker 1:They attacked me first yes, and I'm glad, because otherwise you'd scare me. And so my friend is not violent, thankfully, and so, but he likes, uh, just violent things like game of thrones, season three. I really do, and so, but okay, that's a great answer. My answer that I put is similar, um, because, like I said, when you said, uh, the hunger games, I was like dang, I should have thought of that. But I put gladiator, a series I love. Everyone who knows me knows I love roman history, so I love the universe, but I know that if I got put in there I'd be the guy that pees his pants in the first battle that he's in in africa oh, yeah, yeah no, I actually wouldn't.
Speaker 1:I'd be brave.
Speaker 2:But you get dropped off into gladiator two with the monkeys oh, dude, that would be devastating.
Speaker 1:I would run, no, when my fight or flight kicks in, I'm a fighter for sure. So actually, I, I think I would die for sure, but I wouldn't run, I wouldn't be a coward, but man, if I like, as I am now got transported to fight against a huge gladiator, in that time I'm dead. Yeah, I've never used a sword, guys. I've never, like, held a spear. I've never done those things.
Speaker 1:So it's over for me and so, but yeah, that's my great answer yeah, and our next question and final question, and this wraps up the high topics with this question, the high topic is kyle. What movie, book, game, universe would you never and I mean never want to exist in, but love being a spectator to it?
Speaker 2:Any DC or Marvel movie.
Speaker 1:Okay, so tell us why.
Speaker 2:It would just be so exhausting yeah for sure. Oh my gosh, every week you have a world threat. Yeah, a lot of people die in most movies. Oh, that's a great answer. It would just suck, you know, you'd be so sick of living.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Where every week.
Speaker 1:Another alien invasion.
Speaker 2:Another alien, another dude that turns everybody into shadows. Yeah, another part of the earth going up in the sky and there's absolutely nothing you can do to save yourself, like it's constantly counting on other people to save you.
Speaker 1:You just inspired me with the most creative movie idea Imagine and we can call it the average Joe and please, if anyone listens to this in the future or now, let us know if this has already happened about a person that exists within a world where superheroes are constantly having world threats and it's from their point of view, and it's like from their point of view, and it's like a comedy, like a dramedy.
Speaker 1:I think there is something like that when you think of it, will you let me know? Yeah, but wouldn't that be hilarious, like, oh, here comes another one, and like how they cope and they're in support groups to like manage it, and they're like, hi, I'm Bob.
Speaker 2:I mean Bad Boys kind of delves into that a little bit.
Speaker 1:Does it? Okay? I've never seen those movies, but that'd be hilarious, man, because imagine like getting or no. The Boys no, but there's no World Threats. There's just like Homelander I'm talking like alien invasions. Like every other week, you live in a world where there's alien invasions and you have heroes, but like you want to be powerful and you're not, like that'd be hilarious, dude, to watch someone.
Speaker 2:Well, what I was thinking of is when they have the AA meetings for people that have dealt with.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, that is from the boys, yeah.
Speaker 2:I love her, but she frees my wiener off oh the boys.
Speaker 1:Man, that's a show that started so good and then got caught up in the wokeness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sad. Let's take a moment of silence for the Boys.
Speaker 2:That's all it deserves.
Speaker 1:That's all it. But yeah, that's a great idea for a movie and I love your answer. That's the one you didn't give me before we recorded, so I love that man, that's hilarious. So I love that man. That's hilarious. So I can imagine you. You're just chilling, right, say, you're at work, you're on your computer and all of a sudden you get transported to when the Jatari invade in the first movie and there's like explosions around. I could just see you like what the heck? Yeah, that would be miserable, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would suck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, answer is a little more obvious. I like yours better, to be honest, because yours is fun and creative and, like I said, I want to see a movie like that now called the Average Joe. Mine is Game of Thrones House of Dragon. It's self-explanatory people. If you got transports to that world where people are betraying each other, backstabbing each other, dragons can eat you people are starving you for their political gain. Yeah, it's a miserable world, but we love the show. It's so good to be a spectacle of yeah, but gosh.
Speaker 1:Like, imagine getting transported to where the mountain is invading your land or the wildlings are invading your land. It'd be horrible. Or you get taken by the Red Priestess to see if you have like royal blood, even though you know you don't. Or getting transported beyond the wall and the White Walkers come and like, murk you and then turn you into one of them. Like there's not. I can't think of any happy scenario. That sounds so shitty, so crappy, dude. So I don't think I need to really elaborate on that because you don't. No, it's like. There you go. But with that, guys, that wraps up our high topic. As always, share with us anything we talk about. I'm going to say this always share with us anything you guys would have to these answers, any answers you give. Let's create a discussion and thank you so much for listening to us on this high topic, and we'll be right back after this brief break okay, for the game portion of our evening we are going to be playing basically 20 questions.
Speaker 2:I love it. If it goes past 20 questions, that's all right, no big deal. But we each have a character in our mind. We are going to ask questions. Whoever gets it first wins.
Speaker 1:Okay, do you want to go first or do you want me to ask the first? Question you ask first Am I in a game you might be.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, you go that is one.
Speaker 2:Keep track of them, by the way. I think you are Okay. Okay, are you male or female? Female?
Speaker 1:Should it be yes or no? I think it should be yes or no, Otherwise it gives it away more.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's do yes or no.
Speaker 1:Okay, because I want you to have to waste one of your questions on like is it a male, is it a female? Otherwise, you can just really narrow it down. Okay, so I picked a different character already, so ask me the question again that you want to ask Are you male?
Speaker 2:Yes, that doesn't matter. It does, because if I say no, then you have to waste one of your other 20. Yeah, but if you said no to be her. She's a female, it means she's a male. But what if she's trans?
Speaker 1:I'm just kidding, you're right, you're right. Okay, I'll do my original one. It's a female. Okay, am I in comic books?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Are you a? Video game character.
Speaker 1:Yes, am I a main character.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay. Is video games the origin of your character?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, is video games the origin of my character? Yes Is video games the origin of my character?
Speaker 2:No, okay, is your character a PlayStation exclusive?
Speaker 1:No, I know who you were thinking, but no, that'd be too easy, okay, um is my origin in movies, no, interesting.
Speaker 2:I'm confused. So what to ask now? Because I had someone in mind and it's not her. Is your character only in games?
Speaker 1:No, okay Is my origin in books.
Speaker 2:Yes, is your character, ellie from Last of Us.
Speaker 1:No. Because, then it would have been. I answered your question wrong. You said one of your questions was your.
Speaker 2:Oh, right, right, right.
Speaker 1:Pay attention to your questions. You only get two guesses, by the way, so you already blew one.
Speaker 2:That's not a rule.
Speaker 1:I played this game, baby, I'm a pro at this. That's so lame I can use all 20 questions guessing characters.
Speaker 2:No, you can't. The 20 questions guessing characters no, you can't.
Speaker 1:The 20 questions have to be investigative, and then you get two guesses of the actual characters.
Speaker 2:Well, that's lame, Otherwise you can go through every female character 20 times.
Speaker 1:I mean, come on, man, all right.
Speaker 2:So that's six for each of us. Okay, so it's your turn, I believe. So this is my seventh.
Speaker 1:So Okay, so it's your turn, I believe. So this is my seventh. So okay, I'm just thinking back to the ones you said. I possibly am in a video game, but my origin's in books. Is there a movie about me? No, Interesting.
Speaker 2:Is your character? A human female?
Speaker 1:yes, am I in a tv show? Yes, okay, I can't think of a tv show made into a game. Guys, this is hard. Okay, your turn.
Speaker 2:So just to clarify the past questions I asked your character originated in a game.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:But they're in other media.
Speaker 1:Yes, Okay, and they're female.
Speaker 2:Is it a movie?
Speaker 1:yes, okay, um is the tv show that I'm in on hbo yes okay is your character based on real life. What do you mean by that? Expound your question Like is it not fantasy? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it's believable, is it nonfiction?
Speaker 1:No, it's definitely fictional. Okay, am I part of the Game of Thrones universe? Yes, okay, and I'm a female?
Speaker 2:I can't think of any I can only think of two Game of Thrones games. Mine's a male no yours is a female, because that's why you guessed ellie, right. But oh, I thought you're saying for your guess for me, oh, I was just saying mine's a male.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, I thought I asked if it's female and you said, yes, okay, male, that's. That helps me a lot. Okay, damn it. So I was like dang, I can't think of any female characters showing up in a game.
Speaker 2:I can't think of any games that are movies that are female.
Speaker 1:You will get it. If you don't get it in the 20 and the one guess you have left, you're going to be mad because you'll know her.
Speaker 2:It's not a PlayStation exclusive. I can't think of any other. I can't think of any other. Is that a Nintendo?
Speaker 1:game no Okay.
Speaker 2:Am I part of the?
Speaker 1:Night's Watch Expand Am I? Yes? Okay, I was like, yeah, without wasting a guess, I can't expand. I already know who I am.
Speaker 2:Go ahead though sears isn't nintendo, isn't playstation originated in a game. It's not a playstation exclusive. It's not a playstation exclusive. That's why I meant yeah um there's been a movie?
Speaker 1:I don't think this is obvious once I tell you it will be and you'll be like, dang it. Everybody knows this character like and I mean that like everybody. I'm helping you out here and I shouldn't be, but I am everybody knows this character. She's worldwide famous. I might have given it away with that clue.
Speaker 2:Were you bending the truth a little when you said there's a movie about her?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:So there's already a movie about her.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. Come on, man, you still have a few more questions, you don't?
Speaker 2:have to guess her, I know, but if you get my question right next, I'm trying to beat you.
Speaker 1:So I'm trying to think of the actual character. Well, I know you didn't do the obvious one, so I'm not going to guess who you think I'm trying to beat you. So I'm trying to think of the actual character. Well, I know you didn't do the obvious one, so I'm not going to guess who you think I'm going to guess.
Speaker 2:So I have two more guesses. Mm-hmm, maybe, unless you get it, is she invincible? No, is there an invincible movie? Oh damn it.
Speaker 1:And so okay okay, um am I a bastard?
Speaker 2:Okay, am I a bastard?
Speaker 1:Yeah Okay, I'm going to waste one of my guesses. Am I Jon Snow? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:I knew it. Give me a couple more.
Speaker 1:But I still won.
Speaker 2:Right, I'll give you a few more.
Speaker 1:You're going to be sad because you know her.
Speaker 2:Is she a main character?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she is the main character. Yeah, she is the main character.
Speaker 2:It originated as a video game mm-hmm that's the first time we saw her mm-hmm, so that means it was not a comic book character no, but she has shown up in comics like I'll tell you where my mind is going where's?
Speaker 1:tell me how far I'm off. Okay one of them is zelda that's nintendo, though, so why would it go there?
Speaker 2:right. Well, this is where. Okay. So these are all where my mind's going, but they're all wrong. So, zelda, I was thinking maybe, princess Peach, I was thinking Ellie, I was thinking about the chick from Forbidden West, but those are either PlayStation exclusive or Nintendo.
Speaker 1:Since I won, I'll give you a clue, but you might not know this clue because of your age. But when she first came out, she became famous for her chest area and that's why people played her game. It was purely for her chest area and she became iconic for that.
Speaker 2:Mortal Kombat. Is that your last guess? Because then forever you will never know, kyle.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm trying to guess the character, so you so use your question. Then, is she in mortal combat? Yeah no, you're gonna be so sad because it's like right in front of you, bro, you know her, you own one of her games, two of them, I think, yeah, two of them. You actually own on your PlayStation two of her games, bro, and I'm saying her games, not anyone else's games, but hers. They are hers, son of a Wait, they are her games.
Speaker 1:She is the only laura croft yes, good job she originated. I thought she was a playstation exclusive. I own her on xbox, damn it yeah, and so I have. Uh, she actually was an xbox exclusive for a while. She started in the 90s as a playstation exclusive, then she became an Xbox exclusive. So therefore I cannot say that she's a PlayStation exclusive, because she's not well, whatever games is, but you should have said did she originate as a PlayStation exclusive? If you were on the right track, because she was an Xbox.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what that means no, a PlayStation exclusive, because Forth was a PlayStation or Xbox exclusive, but now it's on PlayStation. So, therefore, I wouldn't call it an Xbox exclusive. I would. It's just not, though. And the Last of Us, because, like she was, a Xbox, that's some bullshit. No, it's not.
Speaker 2:Because Lord Croft was out with PlayStation exclusive. But that's not the definition of an exclusive. But I can't be inside your mind. I have to get the literal, but good job.
Speaker 1:Why'd you pick john snow, bro? That's too easy.
Speaker 2:I know I panicked you, I was gonna pick the hound, but I thought it'd be too hard. Well, not if I narrow it down right right, yeah, guys, all right we'll end it there, see ya well with that.
Speaker 1:Guys, we're so thankful for you. Um, and that was really fun. I like investigative games, so that was a good idea. Kyle, that really was. And uh, guys, listen back and you'll see that kyle is yet to win a game, but let's start a hashtag help kyle win so this is bullshit. We're closing out, but but we're really grateful to you guys. Please, as always, any feedback you have for us, we're always open to it and with that, god bless. And yeah, this has been high topics.
