Why Does Motherhood Sometimes Feel Like Middle School? | Mom Cliques, Bullying & Empty Nest Emotions

Why does motherhood sometimes feel like reliving middle school? 😳

The cliques.
 The judgment.
 The awkwardness of making mom friends.
 The feeling of being left out.
 And the emotional rollercoaster of watching your kids grow up while trying to figure out who YOU are again.

This week on Moms, Moguls & Mayhem, we’re having the honest conversation so many women think about but rarely say out loud.

We’re talking about:
 ✨ Mom friendships & social circles
 ✨ Adult bullying and exclusion
 ✨ Navigating changing identities as moms
 ✨ The emotional side of becoming an empty nester
 ✨ Why motherhood can feel isolating even when surrounded by people
 ✨ And how women can support each other instead of tearing each other down

This episode is funny, emotional, raw, relatable — and a reminder that none of us are alone in these feelings.

Because motherhood isn’t just about raising kids…
 sometimes it’s about rediscovering yourself too. 💕

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Because nobody really talks about how motherhood can feel sometimes like middle school drama.

SPEAKER_01 0:05

If I was back in middle school or high school, I would have like sent a rage text calling you all out in a very polite way. Yeah. Love you, but love you, but don't love your actions.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Welcome to Mom's Moguls and Mayhem Podcast. We're back, ladies. Very excited to be here. Yes. Little braid. In a little bit of a minute. Yes. Life happens. It does. As usual, the mayhem happens. Yes. But we're back. Yes, we are. Got our shit together, and we are back together. That's right. It's all together. We are together. Exactly. Okay. Here we are, ladies. Here we are. I mean, God, I'm so friggin' excited about this topic. I love this topic. This is so amazing. Yes. This is so relatable. I know you ladies are gonna just go crazy for this because nobody really talks about how motherhood can feel sometimes like middle school drama and middle school, you know, done over again.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Um friends, being an adult, just frenemies, mom clicks. Yeah. We're here to break it all down today. It's it's real.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

It's really and you know, making mom friends, it could either be like something that's right or something that kind of gets you, you know, stressed out at times because it's like, you know, where is my sanity throughout all of this? It's true. Making making the mom connections and making sure they're genuine and authentic.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

That's right. So we are gonna talk about all that today on Mom's Vocals of Mayhem, and we're excited that you guys are gonna join us.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

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SPEAKER_01 3:11

Well, you know what? I feel like it's different for everyone. I mean, I personally feel that like my best friends are still my childhood best friends. Yes, yes. Like it's weird. It's like my girls are from high school and college to my people. 92. I mean 93 and 97.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, I mean, my my like ride or die is 1992. Listen to Biggie in the back of the Mazda tall enough to get a Wendy's slushie. You know, this is freshman year, you know, high school. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Exactly. No, it's true. Um, I do feel it was a little different for me because I worked full-time the whole time. Um, so I wasn't around for as much of as like you may have been for like the play dates, yeah, yeah, all that stuff. Um, but I tried, you know, like I was in uh Jim Boree.

SPEAKER_00 4:00

You were very involved.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

Well, yeah, yeah, you know. But I'm just saying though, like in terms of mom's groups, I don't know. It's tough. It is tough. It is tough. It's this is a good topic, only because I feel like it's tough navigating. It is tough navigating.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

I have friends who, you know, have an older child and then they have a younger child. So let's say, like, you know, a I don't know, six, seven year age difference to a 10-year age difference. Wow, yeah, it's a big age. That's that's really that's difficult because once again, you're tired. I mean, we're not that you know we're young still, but you know, it's it takes a lot of energy and enthusiasm to create this life for your children, for yourself and friendships. And I feel like, you know, even though yes, we have our you know, ride or dies from years ago, it is nice to form new connections. Of course, maybe that you know, people that understand what phase you're in, because we go through so many phases and stages as moms. True, and that's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

No, it is, and my ride or dies don't live near me, so you know, so I don't see them on the regular You have support. Have support. Well, you know, but I look, it's funny. My sister Christine, she lives in Charleston, she has so many freaking friends, that girl. Like wherever she lives, she used to live in like Ridgeville, Connecticut, and she always like, I'm out with my friends, and there'd be like a picture of her and like 60 girls. I'm like, where are you finding these people? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, but even now what she was to do.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

I'm like, she's got like this huge group of friends, and she's got a lot of energy too.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

She must if she she joins she joins like tennis teams and soccer teams, so she joins teams, you know, and that's how she's done it. And that, but it's funny that she does have a big circle. For me, I guess it's been more like meeting people when like I joined, you know, like the PTA at my son's school or you know, like certain clubs, you know, like that's how you meet people. But I do feel like it's harder now. I feel like there's more like it's weird. Like you would think the drama and like judgment or whatever would have stopped in middle school, but actually it does not stop. Yeah. Still at 50 when I'm dealing with women, I'm just like, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Like I know. I feel like um yeah, it's it's hard. And then you throw hormones in there, you know, the hormones are are a real thing at this age too. And the kids. The kids. Everybody's stretched thin.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

Everyone's stretched thin, true, true, true, true. But how do you meet people then? You know? Like when is the last time you went and just like met a new friend? I gotta think back in my own mind.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

I know. I feel like I meet random people throughout my my days. I won't now, it's not with the kids. It's more like, okay, I'm at the gym or I'm at yoga, or you know, like where they're yoga, which is honestly for me such a tight-knit community. It's it's my I always talk about by borrow, on set, and I like it.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

I know, I gotta get there. I need to schedule it.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

I have to have to. I know you're missing out, I'm telling you. So you have to come with me. But um, yeah, I mean, it's funny that you said about the sports because my sister is she's an incredible mom too, and she has a lot of friends through the sports. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a different kind of community. True. My my son is in sports, but like they're like really like die-hard sports. So, and it's nice because you know, you do meet so many people through the sports. No, that is true.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Yeah, the sports teams. My middle daughter Lauren played soccer on multiple soccer teams, and really I made such nice friends, you know, like from those times. Yes, you know, like they used to come, you know, like to the bellow parties in the Hamptons, you know, like the moms and dads on the soccer team. That they were probably like, this is they were like, wow, freaking cool. You're a little different than how you look Saturday mornings, no makeup and stress. Oh, I love that. No, it was fun. It was fun. Yeah, so that's stuff. But then, you know what? Like Lauren graduated three years ago, you know, so we kind of lose touch with them. It's just it's hard. It's ever evolving. It's every evolving.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Yes, that's uh you have your like strong connections that you stay connected throughout the years, and then there are those phases, like when the kids are, you know, going into kindergarten and you may connect with a mom that you know is feeling kind of sad and melancholy during that process, and then you sort of lose a little bit of touch. You know, it's throughout this whole motherhood journey, you know, you realize you've met you meet so many people.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

So many people, so many different moms, non-moms, just people in general.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

People in general that get you through.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

You get you through, you need that, you need that support. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

You really do, you know, like the support and just, you know, a real friend, non-judgmental, someone who'll just sit there and listen and not, you know, just say or do anything, you know, but just be a real friend. And I feel like that's hard to come by sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 9:12

And listen, quell my shit out, you know, if I'm doing something that, you know, you don't like as a as a real friend, like if you're upset or whatever. I mean, listen, you may even say, I hate your lipstick today. Oh dear. But you know what I suspect that I like the other color on you. Like if if like my bestie said to me, Listen, you know, I think maybe I like that magenta pink more than the red. You're like, oh, okay. She she cares about like she cares about it. You know, I like my lipstick. Yeah, I mean, I like to have a new color. I thought a new color. That's a very pretty color.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

I've been wearing the same like nudes forever. It's just a little bit more pop a color. Oh, I like it. Thank you. Thank you so much. I don't know what it's called.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

I got it off the beauty. I just grabbed it. I really like it. I like I feel like I look dead in the winter months. Like kind of, you know, I feel dead.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Me too.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

I sort of feel dead and looked dead. So I like to so pale. I mean, at this point now, I'm just spraying whatever it I could look orange and I'm happy. Yeah, we I don't like I don't like pale.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

Yeah, I have um my friend Danielle, you know, one of the OGs, she works for new skin. Oh, and they have a really good self-tanner, so I just got a new bottle of it. I love it. Like it doesn't make you look so tan, but it it makes me not look as pale. Oh I'm wearing it now.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Oh, you need to share that. Yeah, no, it's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

That's $26 I spent.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Yeah, donuts for both thank God for D D. Thank God for no guests today, so we can just do what we want. Yeah, we you know, we were chatting about we love guests, love interviewing people. We've met awesome people, really inspirational. Yeah, really inspirational. And just so nice. Yeah, so it's an honor to have these women on our show. Um, but we realized that we had to get back to having a conversation with the two of us. That's right. And you know, we have such a synergy. So sometimes you lose a little bit when you're interviewing. So we want to make sure that we have these episodes that it's just the two of us. Um, still love having a guest. Of course, of course.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

But sometimes you just want to hear from Cordy and Lauren. I mean, hello. Yeah. Let's just be real about things. No, I'm just kidding. I'm certainly pumping myself up today. I'm having my own best friends tonight.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Exactly, exactly. No, it's true.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

No, but it is true. So yeah, so I love this topic. I think that, you know, something I personally just recently dealt with, um, you know, in a mom group, you know, I just felt like they were being like a little bit like exclusionary, you know, in some aspects of just me. And, you know, I don't think that they were doing it on purpose, but I think that if you can't remember to include someone, that's not good either. And uh, so that was like a little bit mom drama. I was like, you know, if I was back in middle school or high school, I would have like sent a rage text, but there was no texting back then, thank God. And our phone was in the kitchen, so I couldn't even rage there. My parents would hear me. I like the 90s better, honestly. My mom would have to go wrapped around my neck if I just started going crazy at some point. You know, so um, so yeah, so you know, I said I took a minute and I just sent out a message to everyone saying it hurt my feelings, you know, it is what it is, but I just thought I would let them know that it hurt my feelings. It's not very nice. But that's good. You were honest.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

I was honest in a book instead of being a phony. You weren't being a phone.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

I can't do that anymore.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

Right. You were being transparent said, I feel hurt.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

I feel hurt. I feel not like you guys are so. I was just like, guys, you know what? When you don't do this and you don't include someone, it hurts their feelings. FYI for next time, you know. I felt better saying it. And but that's good.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Yeah, it's good. I think I think it's healthy to share the way you feel, as long as it's you know, I feel like if you're being combative, I I know because I speak from experience in the past where sometimes I would express my feelings and maybe be too combative about it. And people aren't going to people don't respond to that, respond exactly 100%. It's not going to resonate. That's how I be bumped. Yeah. I used to be super combative as Tori and JJ. Yeah, I'd be like, bitch, you know, you know, it's when you start off as a bitch, it may feel good to say bitch, like because I love saying the word bitch, but it but it doesn't, it doesn't do well in the long run.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

No, and you know what? And then I feel what I've learned is that it immediately makes you look like the penny person.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

Absolutely. Even if you're right, you're in the wrong or right off the gate.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

You're right off the gate.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

But when you handle it with like, hi everyone, hope everyone's having a great day today. Just a little side note, no for last.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Yeah, like you weren't very nice. I'm calling you all out in a very polite way. Love you, but love you, but don't love your actions.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

And that's it, and I'm over it, you know what I'm saying? But I just feel like it's the best way to do it is just to be honest. And um, you know, so it's like, say, out of this group, do I really feel like I truly ha have made like lifelong friends out of it? Probably one or two out of a group of 20, you know. But that's life. But but I'm also happy if I if I made one or two.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

Yes. That's all you need. I know my from each growing up, my dad would always say, be happy if you have a handful of really close friends that truly care. That's right. You know, I think even as you know, the 47-year-old me, I'm like, I feel that way. I like having a s you know, even just a handful of very close friends, that's a great support. I do still get disappointed if I have a false expectation of somebody that really likes, you know, whether it's family or friends, then I'm like, oh wow, yeah, you suck. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, it's it's hard. It's hard to it's hard not to have expectations at times. Especially when you have kids that you're like, oh, you didn't really do the right thing, or you know, it's like with with my my sons. I mean, it's like super overprotected. I'm sure you're the same way. Me too.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

I mean, I'm I'm like some girl was like bullying Lauren Grace. Oh, hell no. It in like, I don't know what grade it was, like third or sixth grade. Ready to rumble. I mean, I pretty much did. Yeah, I was learning. I had Lara and her mother on the phone. I was like, guys, it ends.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

The bullying, listen, that's a whole topic we can get into. Bullying, man. I actually we could segue into that if you like. Yeah, sure, absolutely. Because this is I think we've touched upon this in a on our show, but I think there is such a huge problem with bullying and the way that it's being handled in the schools.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Sick, yeah. Oh my gosh, right? There needs to be zero tolerance. Your kid is bullying someone, like it is equally the parents' problem. And it should be, because it's your kid. Get them in check. That's right. Like, I told my kids growing up, if I ever find out that you bullied someone, you are gonna meet the biggest bully you've ever met when you get them to your mouth. Because I will not tolerate it. Like, you are to be kind, like, and don't you ever try to push anyone around. And so, thank God, as far as I know, they've always been doing the right thing, but bullying is terrible. And some kids really I mean, come on. Well, you know, it's it's really it hurts these kids.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

And you know, I feel at any age, I mean, bullying, it's such a huge problem in this country right now.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

Social media, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

There's no getting away from it. No, I mean, there was such, you know, little bitches growing up, you know, that I had you know of course. We had I had to deal with so you know, we all of us experienced some kind of nastiness from you know as a young kid. But I can't imagine now that kids can't escape it because of the phone and social media stuff. But I just feel like there needs to there needs to be more of a conversation in schools about uh the reality of it and you know, kids are secretly or silently dealing with it. There needs to be some sort of change.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

It's it's you would think that that would be like our top priority is like child safety, and that's bullying i is a safety issue. Yeah. I mean, I just feel like gosh, you know, I mean, I've heard of kids over the years who have been bullied, you know, young kids 13, 40, 15, who've taken their lives over it, and it just gets me so upset that they feel that they can't even deal with it anymore, that that's the only way out. It's so upsetting. I don't know. I don't know how to start the change only because you know, like the schools know, but like what do they do?

SPEAKER_00 18:04

And I think they feel helpless also like, well, you know, exactly like what what's the answer? What do we do?

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Well, I think that's in the home, yes, but like the second the school finds out that you know, like there's a kid who has like bullying ways about him, yes, they should immediately put massive focus on that kid and make sure that there is no bullying. And if there is, there's zero tolerance. There are consequences, and you let every kid in the whole school know you do it once, you're suspended, and you do it twice, you're expelled.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Like that's I had a I have a friend that you know he went through a very difficult time with her child, and the bully was celebrated. The bully, you know, was basically like there were no repercussions, no nothing, you know, that was so upsetting. It's terrible, but yeah, this is like so unaccessible.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

So what happened?

SPEAKER_00 18:59

You know, she wound up taking matters into into her own hands, and the the her child now is in a different school and everything, but just gosh, what what her son had to deal with, what she had to deal with just so it's just like I don't know unfair, it's just unfair. Yeah, and you know, that that stays with you. It stays you. I mean, I I speak from personal experience. It doesn't, you know, it really does stay with you. But like to your point with talking to your kids, I mean, I just had this conversation with my boys, like, you know, because listen, kids can act, you know, they're kids like little right, they're kids. And all kids can act like 100% times, you know. 100%. And it's about teaching your child to be kind and listen, it's be kind, being kind because you don't know what the other kid is going through.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Like you don't know what's happening in the past. 100%.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

It's well, you know what? And I also feel like having having you evolved so much after like becoming a mom, seeing your kids grow and go with all these things, it just made me so much more like empathetic to like, you know, other kids and other families. Like it's not that simple, you know. Maybe the kid, you know, gets coming in, you know, with dirty clothes. It's not his fault. You know what I'm saying? You think he wants that, you know? Like something is going on at home. Maybe his mom's too busy and she worked a lot just to any reason. It doesn't matter. It's not your business like to be mean to someone because they're not that's it, living up to your standards. And I wish that, like, we know this now, but I wish that we could like instill this in the young kids, the kindergarten age, so when you know, there should be conversations. There should be a class, they've got a class for everything, yes, yeah, electives, all this stuff. Yes, there should be a mandatory class that talks about empathy and other people's feelings and different backgrounds and differences.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

I love that, right? I love that idea. I think that that would be so phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Me too, me too.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

And I think I love how with our schools, like, you know, they have guidance counselors. I think you had that years ago, that's great. Oh, we had a guidance counselor. They have um she was nice. You know, basically, I mean, my son's school has a therapist that works with kids so they can disclose, you know, if things are going on in the classroom. And then, God willing, that, you know, this person or these people, you know, will raise a flag and say, listen, you know, there's a situation going on and it's very serious.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

It's true. It's true. You know what I just actually thought of it reminded me, I think it was, I don't know if it was Jesus' freshman year. I think so. Freshman's offering year, where, you know, the guidance counselor called every single student down, you know, like at some point, you know, like during the first half of the year, and you know, asked them questions and said, you know, what's your family life like? Is your mom and dad married? Are they are they divorced? So just all questions that, you know, like just to find out if there is any problems at home. You know, like getting to know them a little bit. So I feel like, you know what? I love that. There's 216 boys in the one grade. So that's a lot of kids. And I think she made a point to at least sit down with them and get the general vibe as to how they're how they're fitting in, how they're doing, and all that stuff. It it's a start, and you know, I feel like it's gotta be kindergarten, first grade, grammar school.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

It's in all old schools. I hate when people Especially junior high, though.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Oh, because the ball and then you have the whole ones rage. Yeah, junior high was tough. I had a couple bullies.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

And where are they now? Yeah, I love seeing, you know, it's like retribution. Sometimes, you know, you you're like, oh, yeah, she got arrested. All muck. Yeah. So you know, when you're not a nice person, things do come back to the body.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

It's true, it's true. I'm not sure like about the arrest. Laura's bully was arrested. Was it because of you, Laura, or just a random? No, no, no, no. Tell it all your secrets out today, Laura. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

Yeah. Oh my god, but so yeah, and I mean, I recently had a conversation with my boys because one of them was like, you know, I he was upset with one of his friends, and he was he was like, you know, I want to talk to this person. I said, Well, you better talk to the person in private. Of course, of course. In private very good advice. I mean, you because kids also like drama.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Yeah. I feel like boys less though, thank God.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Thank the Lord.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

Thank God, yes. There's really no drama like with Chase, you know, but uh it's always always gold drama.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

God I feel for my friends with girls. I don't know. I listen, I we're biased. We know you have the two girls. Yes, I do. And then you have Chase. I am biased because I have the boys, but I see what like my friends that have girls, what they go through. Yeah, I know girls are a lot of people. Oh man, I mean, listen. Yes, they are. You deserve a vacation, a long vacation and lots of jewelry, and you know, yeah, you do. It's not it's not easy.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

It's not easy, but you know what? As a mom, I feel like the best way to handle it is just to like listen to your kids, talk to them, find out what's going on with them, their friends, you know, try to get just a vibe and be there for them. You know what I'm saying? So if there is anything happening, you can hopefully stop it early, and that's it, you know. But ultimately every kid is gonna go through it. That's freaking life, unfortunately. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 24:37

It's funny. I just had a a little conversation with uh my son that, you know, basically said he's like, it was funny because I feel like at nighttime they disclosed more to me. It's like, you know, my son won't talk to me. It's you know, just the two of us awake. They decompressed a little bit. Yes, yes. And he was like, you know, huh? This kid, you know, wasn't being so nice and blah, blah, blah. And you know, I was like, Oh, all right. And he said, you know, I I just kind of shrugged it off. Like I I was just like, whatever. Like I don't care what you think of me. What you turn out to be in 10 years, that's right. Versus me. Like he had this, I don't know, this mentality that which was great. It's hard because there are there are a lot of sensitive kids. I was a very sensitive kid, painfully sensitive.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

Yeah, not me. I don't think I was up to it.

SPEAKER_00 25:25

I wish I wasn't. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

No, well, you know what? They both have pros and cons. You know what I'm saying? They both have pros and cons. But I think the bottom line is that the messaging here is that it never ends, but just how you handle it changes over the years. Uh finding true women friends is such a blessing, you know, and I'm happy that we found each other. I know.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Well, and that was through Bella. Well, you through Bella, you always included me at your events. Because I because when you were having these amazing spectacular events, I was trying to hustle to get my product network. That's right. So it was it was like, you know, I love you.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Thank you, my friend.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

You really you you saw in me, like, you know, some trying and of course. Well, that is the whole point. Yeah, she wants listen, because we both had that same passion, like we want to make this become a reality, which it did for both of us. So that's right. It's true. Um you know, but it it really truly is about supporting women supporting women and finding the women that actually do support. Why not? Not just say it.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Because we have a lot of those too. 100%. Support women, no, you don't. We know you.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

We know you. We see you, okay?

SPEAKER_00 26:39

Just don't look at my nails. Oh, wait.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

No, I changed my ways after like three months ago when I had my man hands. I said I'm getting nail tips because I need them. Well, no, yours are still decent, but I was just like, I can't. So yes, I'm putting a little more effort in because I'm out of bucket.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

I know that it's really bad. Well, this is the You can only do so much.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

Hello, you can only do so much.

SPEAKER_00 27:03

These really, you know, when I'm stressed, you could tell by my nails. Because I bite too.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

I can't bite these, they're all like my front tooth. So, you know, but it's good for now. I mean, I've never been a huge fake nail person, but it's good for now. But you know what I want to say is we're wrapping up this episode is that this is a big couple weeks for me and my family. My youngest is graduating from high school on May 23rd. Chase Daniel. Chase Daniel, I actually I can't believe I'm actually gonna teary.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

But keep it because it's big, it's it's a huge thing. I mean, this is your baby. It's my baby. So he's a good boy. He's a good boy.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

He is prom next week, and uh and he's graduating, and that's it. Then start moving into my rose ceremony at a school, which is super special. That's June 7th, and then that's it. And then he got accepted into Pepperdine University. I can finally say it now. He's going to California for college, and what a phenomenal, I mean, I'm so proud of him. And uh, that's it. I'm sorry to get a little weepy, but I I cry every time I have a kid that graduates. Of course. And um, it's exciting times. I'll keep you guys updated on everything, and thank you for being my friend. And letting me cry to you, Laura. It's not the first time. Same. It's not the first time.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Same, same.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

And you've got a lot happening too, right? You know, Vin's confirmation.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Yeah, we have his confirmation this week and families flying in today, so I'm super excited. You know, it's seeing your babies getting big. I mean, time is flying.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

And I love all of the moments. I mean, it just you realize, I mean, gosh, like for you, you know, to s to stand there at graduation all the years that you've helped to raise this young man, and now he's this incredible young man. I mean, that's the biggest accomplishment, really.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

It's just right, yeah, it's so crazy. I mean, I've been a mom for 23 years, like full time.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

It's like the hardest job, truly, I feel like the hardest job.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

Only because it's like a mental overload half the time, you know. But uh, but yeah, so mid-August, I'm gonna be an officially an empty nest or lore. So get ready to podcast daily. I know, but what it's yeah, you know, we should have my best friend's going through this too.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Hustan is graduating from Peter's. Okay. And the same, it's like I'm crying when she's talking about it. I'm like, I'm tearing up. Wait till it's Joey's turn. I'll be I will be screen crying. No, have to be on like some sort of like they're gonna they're gonna admit me. No, it's a lie. It's a it's gonna be bad. But I can't do that. I can't embarrass them.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

No, me neither.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

Well, I don't want to swing cry. I don't want to, I don't want to embarrass them.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

That's why I'm gonna have my shades on at graduation and the roch. Incognito, too. Incognito, because which is a little bit weird. I don't know. They sit the parents with the kid on the field of graduation.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

So, like, it's like you better hold it together.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Yeah. And she's just like, I don't want this. I'm like, well, sorry, it's uh school policy, but yeah, so you're right there, so I I'm gonna have to shade something. I don't need to be causing a seed in the middle of a like sea of like a thousand people.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

I know. I'm always the crier. I feel like Joey, the boys are like, Oh, there she goes again.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Me too, me too. That's my mom scream crying.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

I'm the cry. You know, it's just my crazy mom.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

You know, my mom I don't remember her ever crying, my mom. My mom either. My mom's not a cry. Yeah, yeah. Well it was different back then.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? The makeup had to stay you know, that's makeup was always like crying, but the makeup looked perfect.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

No, my mom, she was always done. She had the outfit, the makeup, the hair, she was ready to go.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

My mom too. It was a different time.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

It's a different time.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Yeah, I'm I'm bowling in the like a like a nut, you know, yeah in the chair on the side. No, I can't. You'll be good.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

I have it. I'll be good. I had some. My third go round saw the first time I called like a baby.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

Um yeah. It'll be fun. And you know, give yourself grace because this is a big deal. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

It's it's literally a change of life and it's like a weird situation, you know?

SPEAKER_00 30:54

So so many great things ahead. So many great things. I'm excited to hear about him in California and Me too. Oh my gosh, that's just so exciting. Really?

SPEAKER_01 31:03

Indeed, it is my favorite place. So he's gonna be my favorite place.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

Oh my gosh. I mean, what's not to love about Pepperdine?

SPEAKER_01 31:09

Nothing. It's the best school ever. I love it. My husband absolutely loves it. We couldn't love it more. Like so beautiful. Okay, now that is like a real community. Like they actually care over there, you know? And we love it. So, yeah, so we're excited for that, and we're excited for a fun summer. And we'll be back next week with an even more fun topic than this one. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

Uh please join us, and thank you for tuning in. And I hope you enjoyed the podcast. I think this was a fun one. Me too.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

We really just being real.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

We're just being real. We're just being real. That's right. And I I need a I need a manicure. There's that's the reality of it. It's been a rock move.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

By next week, the Lord knows.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

Yeah, my mom had like these electrical blue nails. I said, Ma, look at you. Wow, wow something.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

All right, all right. Well, you got seven days. We'll pull it together. Good lore. My real friend, this is what friendship looks like, ladies.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

And we just wish nothing but happy, good friendships for all of our viewers, all of our friends out there. And that's it. Have a great week. Have a great week. See you soon. Bye bye. Bye.