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Holding the Line with Got Your Six: Episode 3 "What is Therapy?"

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This week our hosts will explore the idea of what therapy actually is, from the different types of therapy to personalities of therapists. They share stories of their own journeys, and offer helpful suggestions to those who may be just starting their own therapy journey. 

Hey everyone, and welcome to Holding the Line with Got Your Six Counseling. I'm Peggy, and this is Brittany. This is a space where we get real about the shit nobody wants to talk about. Mental health, life, trauma, healing, and everything in between. Sometimes we get clinical, sometimes we get messy, but it's always honest. Quick reminder, this podcast isn't therapy and it's not a substitute for professional care. We're not here to provide therapy, diagnose, or treat. If you're struggling with mental health, please reach out to a licensed provider. You don't have to go through it alone. We've got your six. We're just two trauma therapists showing up as humans first ready to have real unfiltered conversations about the stuff that matters. We're here to break the stigma, share what we've learned from both sides of the therapy room, and talk about the challenges people face every day, especially in the veteran and first responder communities, whether it's trauma, burnout, relationships, identity, or just getting through the week. We believe that these conversations matter. They deserve space, and that's what we're holding the line for. So let's dive in.

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

This is our third episode with Holding the Line with Got Your Six Counseling. And today we're gonna be

Peggy :

And then you. Yeah.

Brittany :

Um, what is therapy, how it works, and what do we as therapists do, especially Taylor, to those who might be s skeptical, skeptical and

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

with the therapy process. Or if you're hesitant about seeking help, uh, we're your hosts, uh, Peggy and Brittany? Well, I'm Brittany, she's Peggy. Um, and we're gonna be talking about what is therapy really, and do you really need it? And is it just, just talking Like people say all the time, I'd love to have your job. Um, and all you do is just sit in the chair and talk to people all the time. do you have to say that piggy? What's your rebuttal?

Peggy :

I mean, yeah, do we get to just sit in an office all day and and the comfortable AC? Yeah, but it's so much more than that because like we have to. Sit with people and what is really sitting with someone,

Brittany :

Sitting in

Peggy :

you know,

Brittany :

and holding it.

Peggy :

yeah, because like it, it's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable for everyone in the room, you know, when someone is just sitting there and spilling their guts, whether it is, hey, I'm just having a bad week too. I've had this very massive experience and I don't know what to do with it. I don't know where to place those feelings. Or it's this little kid that's, has all the big emotions and they are a little big ball of all the feels and they're just rampaging through your sand tray.

Brittany :

My sand tray and they're spilling sand everywhere. Even though they know that the number one rule of the sand tray is to keep the sand in the tray, not regulated enough to do that. Um, and kids are the hardest ones, I think, because they're, uh, they don't wanna talk, they don't do talk therapy until that one day they come in and drop that bomb on you. Um, and they say something very outlandish and you're like. And then you have to sit there and hold that and it's, it's not an easy job to do, right? We're not just, um, we're not just shooting the shit, you know, it's not just, I mean, I'm sure there are days where you're shooting the shit, right? Um, but those are few and far between. Most days you're, um, most days you're processing some really deep stuff, you know, and you're sitting with them in that moment. They're sharing the story with you about these things that happened. And I don't know about you, but we are kinda sitting in that space with them. You're reliving that experience with them. And that's not easy to do. You know, you're, um, you go home after a day of, what, six, seven people? And I'm like, I don't wanna speak to another person. I don't have the spoons for that. You know? So it's, um. I love it, but, uh, some days it's, it's

Peggy :

Um, Okay.

Brittany :

especially with, um,

Peggy :

Okay.

Brittany :

work with, it can get, it can get heavy, you know? Uh, and I love to make it uncomfortable. I love to make it uncomfortable.

Peggy :

Yeah. All the people avoiding.

Brittany :

right?

Peggy :

Yeah. Yeah. Can I make you cry today? Absolutely. You know, but you know,

Brittany :

today that I love to make them cry.

Peggy :

you know, but that conversation of like, what is therapy and like the most common terms? Like, is it a conversation? Yeah, it's absolutely a conversation, but it's also whatever you need to make of that time and that space. And what do you need therapy to be? Yeah,

Brittany :

Right. A healing process, right? It's a journey through healing, I think for that's what you would like it to be. But, um, I think it's different for everybody.

Peggy :

because I think so many times now we have stereotyped therapy into looking like what it looks like on TV. Um, and like it has to be like the therapist has to sit across from you and they have to like, you know, hold the notepad and they have to say all these awkward questions or they just sit at you and go, And how does that make you feel? Oh my goodness.

Brittany :

your mom.

Peggy :

See your mom,

Brittany :

Your mom, literally'cause of your shirt. I love that. I think that there's that misconception of like, uh, we're gonna blame it on your parents. I can't tell you how many people have said that. Like, I don't wanna go to therapy because I don't wanna like blame everything on my parents. And I'm like, I mean, sure, you know, psychodynamically speaking, we're gonna go back in time and talk about those experiences. But that's not everything, right? That's not everything.

Peggy :

you're like this

Brittany :

right? So

Peggy :

and

Brittany :

on what you need.

Peggy :

And not everything is like one size fits all. You know, we get lots that have come from different modalities or have never tried something for the first time. And it's like, hey, I'm going to make you really uncomfortable. Let's try this thing called parts, which is internal family system. And they're like, who cares? What do you mean? Parts, I'm like, we're made up of all of these different things, our feelings, our emotions, and like these internal parts of us, and I'm going to make you talk to them. And they're like, that sounds weird. No, thanks. It's like, no, I'm like, that's not what that is. But I was like, let's have a good conversation inside of ourselves. And they're like, that sounds weird, but I'll try it. Cool.

Brittany :

Other people are like, I don't wanna do that. This is weird, this is uncomfortable, and I can't access those things. And I'm like, okay, well moving on. But it doesn't work for everybody. Right?

Peggy :

Or EMDR, uh, the first time. I was even doing EMDR on myself, like when we were doing EMDR on ourselves with training, I was like, what is this voodoo? What is this witchcraft? That's weird. That is uncomfortable. And I don't know if I want to sit in on that again. Just

Brittany :

I love

Peggy :

the uncomfortable. Yes, just like the uncomfortableness, but it was so wonderful because I was like, well, that was quick processing. I do it again or

Brittany :

I

Peggy :

Josh watching like Josh watching me come out of. Training, bawling my eyes out going, I'm okay, this is for the better, yeah, my face, shit. And he's like, are you sure you're good? Are you okay? Nope, not even a little bit. Because it was really being there and going through the memory and like getting to that touchstone, which is that childhood memory where like it attached to all of that stuff. And I was like, Oh, now it feels better. I like that.

Brittany :

I think there's a lot of, uh, a lot of misinformation, a lot of misconceptions about E MDR R as a whole, right? Like I see, you know, comments on social media. They're like, EMDR messed me up and EMD R's terrible and it's intense and. will not deny that EMDR can be intense for some, but I think if you choose the right therapist who is, you know, uh, competent, key word and who knows what they're doing, EMDR can very be very much be a transformative experience for those. I had EMDR personally in therapy and then when we went through the EMDR training, that is not an easy process, like to learn it and to do it. Well, right. Um, then the training itself was rough. so I can say from a personal perspective of like, I've done this myself and now I'm doing it to you. So I know it's not

Peggy :

Uh,

Brittany :

Like I did it personally

Peggy :

Okay.

Brittany :

Uh, and then it is hard, like if you lean into it and you really do it, it's not easy, but the end

Peggy :

Yeah. We are at the end of our tour.

Brittany :

you're putting that stuff behind you. I always give the analogy

Peggy :

I hope you liked it. Thank you for watching.

Brittany :

it's so far away, like it's never gonna go away completely. We can't take it from you, but

Peggy :

I'll see you in the next video.

Brittany :

Like

Peggy :

safe. I'm I'm

Brittany :

emotional. Um, so like, give it a try, uh, and just go into it with an open mind and just lean into it. It's so, it can be intense, but

Peggy :

I'm

Brittany :

Like if you have someone who's good at it,

Peggy :

I'm

Brittany :

so,

Peggy :

And then, like, seeing some of the new things coming or newer to us, like, I am very intrigued by brain spotting and how that works. I know you had that even done on yourself. Like, see, I want to learn these things.

Brittany :

it a little bit. I, I, you know, I'm avoiding a little bit every week. She's like, let's try it. And I'm like, I think we'll try it next week. So I haven't actually done Brainspotting yet, but she keeps pitching it to me, so we're getting there. you know, that's my own avoidance. Hi. Um, but she is, yeah, brainspotting does sound very interesting. Uh, none of us do it yet. Um, but we're, yeah, brainspotting is another one. Uh, is the old hat. Um, you know, does works well for a lot of things. Doesn't work well for, for trauma, but, um, works well for lot of issues. Group therapy is hit or miss. Uh, some people really love it and some people really hate it and that's okay. You know, I like doing group

Peggy :

But

Brittany :

right?

Peggy :

it's a requirement with all of our students.

Brittany :

yeah,

Peggy :

And I find it.

Brittany :

it.

Peggy :

Yeah, I find it interesting what the students create when it's time to make a, make a group. You

Brittany :

It is'cause everybody has their own, um. Ideas and perspectives and then their own population that they want to do group therapy with. Like I did mine, with children, which was so much fun.'cause like kids are fun in a group setting. Um, they're wild. And I destroyed the, I destroyed the group room with one activity I tried to do. We got cornstarch everywhere. Sorry, Christina.

Peggy :

could,

Brittany :

that, she still doesn't know about that.

Peggy :

you

Brittany :

I was still cleaning up Corn Star the next day. Um,'cause there was a black curtain and there was white corn starch and hampers all over it. And Sophia was, anyways. Um, so like

Peggy :

could be

Brittany :

is

Peggy :

I'm sorry, I said I could be a family. You could be a group. Uh-huh. That's what she said.

Brittany :

like, especially with our veterans, they're like, group therapy's

Peggy :

That's okay, I didn't go too far. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see,

Brittany :

very, very good and

Peggy :

So, um, uh,

Brittany :

a good word. It's a good word. Um, talk therapy is, you know, that's kinda like what we do sometimes, but, you know, that's, I guess that's what we do is what we do. Talk therapy.

Peggy :

Oh yeah, but

Brittany :

I

Peggy :

do you tend to have like this more structured approach or do you just kind of go, go at it and like what we do is what we do? Yeah.

Brittany :

Yeah. I don't, I'm not, I'm kind of just like, Hey, how was your, you know, how are you, how was your week? Right. I kinda like, the first 10 minutes is very much like, I'm, I'm wondering how things are going. Right. And then I might delve into, I. Whatever we talked about last week, or I don't really give homework. I'm not a homework therapist. Uh, depending on the person, unless they're a teenager, really do homework. Um, unless they need more structure. But like, I think Ccbt is very structured, right? DBT is very structured. We're giving homework and things like that.

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

unless it

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

it, right? But I'm,

Peggy :

Yes, there. Yes. Yes. Okay, so everybody, uh, everybody's acknowledge that that's a that's aเนื้องเตียง

Brittany :

Um, all

Peggy :

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Brittany :

no one's ever told me this. And I'm like, how, have you not ever learned this? But

Peggy :

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Brittany :

mom,

Peggy :

Um, Yeah.

Brittany :

They don't ever decide to like teach their patients these things, and I don't understand that.

Peggy :

And I think that's a big important part of the conversation, especially at the beginning, like when we're starting it with, you know, why is my brain working the way it's working? Well, you know, like, what does PTSD involve? What is depression involved? How does it affect my brain? Why is it affecting my brain this way? You know, how does medication affect it? Um, you know, um, If I introduce positive stimulus, how is it going to affect it? You know, what is dopamine? What is serotonin? What are all of these things? I think telling them about those things is so important.

Brittany :

Right. And like, especially, you know, the ones that have significant trauma and like when you're introducing EMDR, it's like, this is how trauma affects your brain and this is fight or flight. And um, you know, they're like, wow, I didn't, I didn't know that. So I think understanding the what and the why is really important for people because, you know, this is a different type of therapy that we're providing. We're not working with the walking well here. You know, like I think, you know, when Christina explained that in the first episode, we're not working with these type of people. And I think it's very validating, um, for them to understand what they're going through and how they got here. and so it makes it a lot easier for them to engage and trust us because, you know, it, it just, it does, it, it makes it

Peggy :

Or

Brittany :

think.

Peggy :

not, not using these overly clinically words with our people too, because like nobody's gonna know what an amygdala is until like you show them, hey, this is where it's at in your head and this is what it's responsible for.

Brittany :

right, right. And I'm not, I'm not just handing them a trauma workbook and going, what's work on this? Have I used a, a trauma workbook before? yes. Right. Um, when this situation's appropriate, I've done that, but I'm not just handing it to'em, be like, let's work on this. Right. Um, I'm not having them draw pictures of, uh, flowers. not the kind of therapists we are. That's, or pulling out a binder that says how to treat trauma. True story. Right. Um, they're not just venting, they're not just complaining. Like, this is like real evidence-based work in science. It's real. Right. So, you know,

Peggy :

Are you allowed to vent? Are you allowed to complain? Absolutely!

Brittany :

Mm-hmm. Because it feels good to

Peggy :

Yeah, and you need to. And it's part of the processing. Because, hey, it happens in your day. It happens in the past. It happens in the present and the future. Like, all of those things. You need to get that out. Because holding back on it just makes it worse.

Brittany :

I think that's kind of why I always say it. Like, Hey, how was your week? How are you? And they kind of get that first like 10 minutes of just like, right, like they kinda like word vomit to me. then I'm like, well, how is, how are things with this? Or how are things with that? You know?'cause that kinda leads into like the issues that they've been having or the things that we've been working on. Because if, if you don't give them that space to like vomit that stuff out, then we don't really get to do the real work because they think, oh, I'm going to see a therapist. I gotta talk about my stuff. If you don't give them that space to just spit it out, then you are never gonna really get to the good stuff.

Peggy :

Yeah, and that's where like the rapport part is especially important, so they get comfortable in telling you about the hurt, the bad things, the good things, even celebrating the successes of like, hey, I did this really great thing and it was so scary. I love celebrating as much as I love hearing about the bad things.

Brittany :

Even if it's something that seems as silly as like able to go to the movies, because how many, how many veterans do we know that can't go to the movie theaters? Right? Like, oh my gosh, I finally went to go, I went to the movies with my spouse or my daughter, or whatever, right? And I'm like, that's such a win. Because the movies is such a scary place for them because they, even if they do go, they can't enjoy it because they're, they're too, they're, I don't wanna say a parent, right? That's probably the Walmart. They're too hypervigilant to even enjoy the movie.

Peggy :

So, it's

Brittany :

that's a huge win. And I wanna

Peggy :

it's

Brittany :

be able to understand that where you and I are like, that's,

Peggy :

it's it's it's it's

Brittany :

restaurant space without, you know, clocking, exits and actually being able to enjoy a meal. So, you

Peggy :

And so, and then where this differs from like just me talking to you, like on the regular, talking to your friend, you know, how is therapy different? But that's like the, some of the, you know, another misconception out there, how, you know, can I just talk to my friend? Yeah, I could talk to you every day and I do. Um, but. You know, I, my therapist is there for those things that, you know, I just, it, it is, I can't get it out. I have trouble processing or I am ruminating on it and I don't know why I keep circling back to it and like, why does, why does the hurt linger? You

Brittany :

Right.

Peggy :

know, cause like, our friends are great at telling us, well, just stop letting it bug you. Or, you know, they're, they, they don't understand how to, like, tell you, let it go. Or, how that hurt is still affecting you from childhood, or how, you know, like, 30 years later, like, your mom.

Brittany :

I think number one, we're, we're nonjudgmental, right?

Peggy :

Exactly. Exactly.

Brittany :

like if our walls could talk, right? Like we're nonjudgmental about the things you're coming to us about and we're unbiased, we, right? Like, like, I don't know, I don't know my patients' families, right? Um, where like if you and I are talking, I know your husband, I know your kids, I know your family members and you know mine where, you know, I only know what you're telling me. I. Um, so we're nonjudgmental and we're unbiased, and I think having that neutral party is like number one, right? and also we have the knowledge of, you know, attachment and all the other, like evidence-based things that are important to know to help them sort through the issues that they have.

Peggy :

Um, uh,

Brittany :

things. I think that that

Peggy :

Um,

Brittany :

that for me also, I just lost my train of thought.

Peggy :

uh, Um, uh, Um, uh, Um, uh, Catch it.

Brittany :

Yes, please come back. You, you go on with your things while I'm trying to bring that back to me because I have like, I have like several good points

Peggy :

Thank you for watching.

Brittany :

my gosh. Um, what was I gonna say?

Peggy :

I love it.

Brittany :

This is the real raw unfiltered we were talking about. You know, like,

Peggy :

And then like the reason, because like we're, we're talking to people that are coming in for trauma, depression, anxiety, life transitions, either, you know, even so like all of these things that are can feel so nebulous, so extreme and. You know, just with dealing with those, like, you know, how do we keep holding that space and those types of things, you know, because, like, these are just some of the common reasons, but when it's less than that, you know, because, like, there's no one reason to seek therapy, you

Brittany :

for sure.

Peggy :

know, I think this is where it gets, what came back to you, Kat, you caught it? Ok.

Brittany :

it came back. What I was gonna say is, um, I think a lot of times when you're talking to friends,

Peggy :

Uh-huh.

Brittany :

uh, they wanna offer like these ridiculous solutions. And not that they're not valid or good, but like when I'm talking to a friend, I just want them to hear me out they're giving me

Peggy :

Well, they wanna,

Brittany :

Yeah. They wanna gimme all these ridiculous solutions and this advice that's really not probably

Peggy :

that's the thing. It's, it's advice, and it's not, like, it's not tools. It's not skills,

Brittany :

If we

Peggy :

and it's, Yeah, I think that those are the differences. It's advice and like advice is not always a good thing or they want to fix it.

Brittany :

Mm-hmm.

Peggy :

and that's even like some of the issues with spouses, like they're not just listening. They want to fix it. And like, that's a great thing that your spouse wants to like help you and fix it. But like, sometimes you shut up and listen. Yeah.

Brittany :

right. So it's not like I don't need a solution. I don't need to be fixed. I just want you to hear me, right? Like I just wanna word vomit this out to you as my friend or my spouse, or my mom or whoever, and just be done with it, right? Because I just need to feel heard and move on. Where, when I go to my therapist on Fridays, I just want her to tell me and challenge me my avoidance and the stuff that I'm doing move forward. Right, because she's the one that has the skills and the tools to do that, right? And like, I challenge the crap out of my patients all the time, and they're like, Ew. And I'm like, I know it sucks, right? Um, and they're like, I don't like you very much. And I'm like, it's okay. all right. You don't have to like me, but you're, you keep coming back. So something keeps bringing you here, you know? Um, so I think that's the other thing, right? Like as a friend, if I challenge you, you might be like, Hey, Brittany, like,

Peggy :

Okay.

Brittany :

And

Peggy :

Okay. Okay.

Brittany :

anything. And that's, I think that's another attribute of a good

Peggy :

Okay.

Brittany :

you again on the Roman Empire of light making you cry. We push you to feel emotions, right? Like, we want you to feel it.

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

doesn't know how to feel that.

Peggy :

Oh, no, my, mine is the Roman Empire for me is when they absolutely they're like, I don't like you. See you next week or fuck you. I'm a done.

Brittany :

Yeah, I hear that a lot when we're doing EMDR. I like you very much. I'm like,

Peggy :

Yeah,

Brittany :

going. Notice

Peggy :

because they're They're, they're absolutely, I mean, it's the, it's hilarious because they're like, I'm like, I already know you like me. Bye. I'll see you next week.

Brittany :

right at the end, like when you're bringing them back down, you're stabilizing. Like, do you still not like me? And they're like, it's okay. We're I'm, I'm fine now. Sorry about that. I was mad in the moment. I'm like, yeah, no, it's okay.

Peggy :

That's why they're in therapy because all of these things that they're coming in for, like we were, I was discussing earlier and like. If we treated people, like, you know how we treat people with physical health conditions? Like, we don't treat people with mental health the same way.

Brittany :

No.

Peggy :

we're not telling somebody with a wheelchair to, like, get over it. Well, why are we treating people with mental health this way?

Brittany :

Right. No, I mean, and, and there's that, there's that, um, know, stigma of like, hmm, maybe we're, maybe we're getting ahead of ourselves. I'm not sure. But there's that whole, like, especially for those with like hardcore religious backgrounds of like, oh, well you can just, and not that you can't do this, right, that you can go speak to your pastor or you can seek this kind of help or that kind of help, and that's fine. Um, but you can also do both. can definitely do both.

Peggy :

Because mental health is, is health. The...

Brittany :

you had high blood pressure or you had diabetes, or you had asthma or cancer, you would seek treatment for that. So if you have trauma or depression or anxiety or OCD or whatever, okay to do that too because you want somebody who's competent and specialized in treating those things and not everyone. I'm gonna repeat this again. Not everyone is competent in treating trauma.

Peggy :

And it's okay, yeah, and it's, it's okay to try different, I think that, that is totally fine. It's okay to say, I'm your, not your cup of tea.

Brittany :

Mm-hmm.

Peggy :

That, that's fine. If we're not good together, we're not, yeah, we're not good together. I don't know how many times we've had people, you know, people just be like, Eh, we're not a, we're not a good fit. Don't just, like, no show and all of the things. Just say we're not a good fit.

Brittany :

because we would rather you have good rapport with someone than just leave and give up. Right? Because like a, we're not all created equal, right. B, rapport, which means trust is like the foundation of our relationship. If you feel like you can't trust us or you're not connecting or driving with us, please tell us because we'll help you find someone that we think you or you think you can connect with. We you, however, um, because we want you to have that. Like we would rather you be in therapy with someone than

Peggy :

Um, I'm gonna be. Um, Um,

Brittany :

I mean, I can't, I can't

Peggy :

I think,

Brittany :

and see me and you for the first

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

Just tell us

Peggy :

It's all.

Brittany :

phone,

Peggy :

I'm going to take a moment to thank the members of the board of trustees for their commitment to the safety and well-being of our students, faculty, and staff.

Brittany :

that like you just felt like you didn't jive with us and you wanna see someone else.

Peggy :

Thank you, and I look forward to all of you for your attention. I don't know, I'm offended when they no-show.

Brittany :

I'm only offended when they leave us for a life coach.

Peggy :

They're

Brittany :

That happened to you, not me. Sorry.

Peggy :

like, I'm so...

Brittany :

on the wound. Huh?

Peggy :

Rude.

Brittany :

back to that later.

Peggy :

Later. But like, it feels like, it's like, are you breaking up with me? But no. But, I'd rather, yeah, go find somebody that is the fit, the no-fit, just because... Look, me, I, I am weird, I'm eccentric, I'm conversational, and sometimes that is not, look, I'm not going to be for everybody. You're not going to be for everybody.

Brittany :

No, I'm not everybody's cup of tea, right? Like I, I can be a little, I can be a lot, a lot confrontational depending on like why you're coming in, right? I'm more confrontational with certain people than I am with others. I'm not confrontational with kids. A little less confrontational with teenagers, right? can go from sitting on the floor and coloring with kids to sitting on my couch and playing some games with teenagers. And I mean, so like, it just depends on type of patient I have. I can wear a lot of different hats, you know, I.

Peggy :

I'm meaner to the students than I am to my patients.

Brittany :

Yeah. Yeah. Let's, I gotta get back in the swing of things when Hillary comes back. You know, I, I feel like I've got a little outta practice, so sorry, Hillary, off topic. You know, it's like she'll be back. I gotta get, I gotta get, I gotta start exercising for that.'cause she'll be back in a couple of weeks. So weeks I got like a little over a month to get back in the swing. But mean, okay. Why do people need therapy? I think everybody should go to therapy. My dad jokes, he's like, Brittany, this was like a direct quote. If he sees this, Brittany thinks everybody should go to therapy. And I'm like, well,

Peggy :

Absolutely. Everybody should.

Brittany :

you. I mean, unless you get a shitty therapist, right? Like, I mean, I guess that could hurt you. But generally speaking, I don't, I don't see a reason why like therapy would hurt you for any reason.

Peggy :

Oh, my husband would be really proud here because I'm going to use a car reference because like you bring your car in for oil changes and like maintenance. So why wouldn't you maintain yourself?

Brittany :

Exactly. Yeah. In some cases it could be considered self-care. Right?

Peggy :

Yeah, because like, even if you are the walking well, a check-in every now and then to make sure you're good is fine. Doesn't mean you have to do it weekly.

Brittany :

years and years of therapy, went through some stuff and like I went back to therapy. But I feel like there's always stuff you can dig up again, right? Like you could always like poke and find things. I can always find things right, like you think you're okay. wrong. We can always find more things to, to dig up and find, you know.

Peggy :

Yeah, cause some people are great and they're like, Hey, I just need to come in for that like my every six months. Cool. That's fine. You're checking in on yourself. You did the work already. You healed the wound. It's now a scar. And yeah, we're not trying to go over that over and over and over again. That's pointless and counterintuitive. Don't let somebody, you know, rehash your scars. But,

Brittany :

for sure.

Peggy :

yeah, maintain yourself. I think that is a fabulous way of doing it. You know, some people are like, I've never, I don't want to deal with my issues. Okay, eventually, you may want to.

Brittany :

Maybe you should, but like you, I can't make you, so whenever you're ready, we're here. You know?

Peggy :

And that's, and that also I think brings up a good point to this, like, the person that was made to go to therapy. We can't force you to be in the room. And I think that's a lot of like, teenagers or spouses that were like, Yeah, you know, you won't do the work if you're forced to be there. Hi.

Brittany :

Yeah, I think that's one of the, like, one of the challenges in working with adolescents, you know,'cause they come in and they're like, or they're like the therapist, you're across the room. Like, you know, because it's really, it's really hard to engage someone who doesn't wanna be there with you. You know, it takes months to build their

Peggy :

I'm a Native American.

Brittany :

just, you know,

Peggy :

I'm going to present to you this

Brittany :

you're the same age

Peggy :

program, Native American Real Estate Consulting.

Brittany :

very much like the same authority figure as their mom or their dad or whoever kind of forced them to come. So you are also an untrusted adult. Uh, so you kinda have to work in reverse. You're working against the tide there. Uh, not the

Peggy :

This program is a joint venture and partnership

Brittany :

Um.

Peggy :

Mass peppers, and a Native American owned business that was established in 1688.

Brittany :

food? And you're kinda like trying

Peggy :

This program is in its 20th year. Our goal is to present the community as a place where we can reach people So, we came to you to give you a taste of what the world is like Thank you for watching.

Brittany :

Uh, girls are like, fuck you.

Peggy :

Um,

Brittany :

like,

Peggy :

Okay.

Brittany :

because so most of them are act so much older than they really are. The boys are easy'cause they can be like, what kind of video games do you play? And all I do is just rattle off whatever games,

Peggy :

Okay.

Brittany :

got like, I can't believe you know that. But the girls are rough. And um, it just makes it even more satisfying when you get there, you know? But yeah, I, the ones that are made to go sure. Um, but the, you know, people that are experiencing like life

Peggy :

I think that is something that we should be doing and we should be doing it. I think.

Brittany :

But those are the kind of the ones that you kind of get like this like satisfaction out of, right? Like they're graduating high

Peggy :

I think.

Brittany :

here and they're like, oh, I'm just struggling. Like these adjustments, right? Because you just kinda see them like flourish and move on. Like, you know, like Hailey, Hailey loves those, you know, she's like, oh, just

Peggy :

Must be nice.

Brittany :

Yeah. But those are kind of like the walking Well, and I, need the chaos, right? Like I just thrive on

Peggy :

Yeah,

Brittany :

If

Peggy :

because the life, no,

Brittany :

like, get out.

Peggy :

the life transitions we get are chaotic because it's usually like retirement, military retirement and like the wall came, yeah, no, the wall came down because like they've been tucking away like PTSD and depression and anxiety and all the things and like the wall finally came down and like, oh, you, you got flooded and they're like, what do you mean it got flooded? I'm like, you got flooded, buddy.

Brittany :

Yep. It's like

Peggy :

And they're like,

Brittany :

at once, right?

Peggy :

yeah, and they're like, well, put it back. And I'm like, yeah, that's not how this works.

Brittany :

It's too late now. All you can do is go through it together. It's like every week is something new, right? They're just like, I can't believe this is happening. And you're like, yeah, we're on this. We're on this rollercoaster together, bro. You never know what they're gonna come in with. That's what I live for.

Peggy :

I love it.

Brittany :

and they're like, I'm like, how are you? And they're like, you know, everything is good. And they're like, okay, bye. Gotta go ago. What do you mean everything's good? Alright, well I guess my job here is done.

Peggy :

I love that with teenagers, especially because I'm like, give me three, give me three good, three bad. I'm like, I'm gonna force this out of you one way or another.

Brittany :

And they're like, I don't know.

Peggy :

I don't know is not an answer. I mean, it is, but.

Brittany :

I guess I'm happy. And that's how they talk. They're like, I guess I'm happy and I'm sad. And like, and you're just like, really?

Peggy :

Or our favorite is sit there and stare back at them and see who blinks first.

Brittany :

Yeah, you gotta get creative. You gotta get creative.

Peggy :

Because therapeutic silence is a thing and the stare off begins.

Brittany :

is a fine line between therapeutic silence and the staring game. Right? It's like, okay. Also therapeutic uno. Right? another one, you know? Um.

Peggy :

Now, how good is it to not let a child win or let a child win? Like, where are you on this board of like letting the child win?

Brittany :

No, don't let anybody win in Uno, right? Like if you win and you win and if you lose, you lose. You know what that teaches emotion regulation in that you don't always win at life, right? Like we're teaching emotion regulation skills by playing Uno. And that is true. Okay? Uh, because if a child loses, you get to see their reaction. and then you get to teach an intervention on what it's like to lose and how to handle that. See? And there's something every day. Uh, sometimes if they're really young, you gotta let, might not throw down a draw four on purpose.'cause I'm like, God, if I've got a handful of draw fours, I'm like, this feels cruel. And I think that's the mom in me. I'm like,

Peggy :

Especially one after another. I'm like,

Brittany :

Now if it's a teenager, I'm not holding anything back. I'm like, pow, pow, pow. But if it's like a five or 6-year-old, I'm like, I can't do that now. They don't care about doing that to me. They're like, um, but you know, and that's like, you know, that's like play therapy, you know? they love the slime, they love the clay, they're not very nice to me about it. They're like, what are you making that's ugly? And I'm like,

Peggy :

I

Brittany :

focus on what you're making. All right.

Peggy :

love there are no filters.

Brittany :

Yeah. I'm like, let me worry about my flour. Okay. Like, just focus on your leprechaun. Okay.

Peggy :

Okay.

Brittany :

Uh, but I love, I mean, I love playing the floor with them, you know, so it's like there's play therapy. There's a time when that's needed and you know, they're focusing on all sorts of things. Sometimes we're working through their anxiety or their trauma, or maybe their life transition, you know? Kids, kids don't really

Peggy :

Yeah,

Brittany :

stuff like that. They

Peggy :

and then, you know, and typically, like, our sessions are, you know, intake, where it's fact gathering, it's getting all the information from them, like those sessions. Yeah, and like, it doesn't seem very warm and fuzzy the 1st session because we are gathering all the information at 1st and like, that's a lot of people like it. Yeah, and like, that's a lot of people like it. While you want to build rapport in this first session, like we, it is about getting all the info from you. Like, why are you here? What do, what can we do? Like, you know, what are the goals that we're, you know, gearing towards and

Brittany :

And

Peggy :

what

Brittany :

at the beginning too, right? Because I'm, like, okay, this is me and these are all the things that I have to go over with you first before I start rapid fire asking you questions. I am

Peggy :

happens in here?

Brittany :

right. I'm so glad. I don't ever have to say that I'm a resident in counseling again. And then I jump into all that, right? And then we start rapid fire asking questions because we're trying to formulate a, a diagnosis. We're trying to get all your history. We're trying to, build this, um, background for you before we move into like the hard stuff with you

Peggy :

Yeah, because those first few sessions are about like the rapport building, the gaining trust, the getting to know you.

Brittany :

getting to know

Peggy :

Yeah. So that way we can get into like the hot and heavy of it all. You know, and it's never about how can I fix you? It is about how can I help you? How can I guide you? What tools do you need? Um, how do we get these emotions, you know, you want your emotions regulated? Cool. Here's, you know, here's a tool to help with that. You know, here's some DBT skills. Here are. Skills to go along with all of these things that we're feeling.

Brittany :

Yeah, that's the other thing too. People come in with the misconception of like, my therapist is gonna fix me. Or like a parent comes in and they're like, fix my kid. But

Peggy :

are the worst with that.

Brittany :

yeah. Yeah. And like it took you, what, 15, 20, 30 years to get like this. We're not gonna, we're not gonna fix you a year or six months or two years. Right. Like it's, takes time to like work through things and like, we are seeing you once a week for 45 to 55 minutes. Right, like we're giving you or helping you with like the skills and insights and tools and techniques. Like you have to do the work on the outside in order for this to work too. So we're not, we're not fixing you, we're just helping you find this, know, giving you the tools you need to like do it. So we're not fixing you, we're not fixing your kids either.

Peggy :

What's the... Hmm?

Brittany :

Go

Peggy :

What? Oh, seeing the progress that they make? Because it can go either way, right?

Brittany :

Yeah. I

Peggy :

It...

Brittany :

forward and then they're making really good progress and all of a sudden they're regressing. Uh, and that, that treatment plan is like, goes from significant improvement right. Back down to some improvement or,

Peggy :

Trash. Trash.

Brittany :

trash

Peggy :

This is trash. I'm trash.

Brittany :

don't, try not to internalize it. Right. know? Right. Or, you know, someone you've been seeing for a year that's made super good progress is now standing in the corner of your office because they've relapsed into like major PTS symptoms. Like, and that's just the way it works unfortunately, depending on what they're experiencing at home.'cause like I said, a week, 45 to 55 minutes, like you're not with them the rest of the time that they're not with you. So you have no idea what they're experiencing. And that's, that's life. That is real life. Um.

Peggy :

gonna ebb and flow. It's not gonna be like, hey, you're gonna have progress in the first 90 days. And so we don't become forky immediately and go, I'm trash.

Brittany :

Yes, we do. That's our job. We're the ones who feel like trash, not you. I call Peggy and go, I'm trash. I'm an imposter. No, for real. happens. It happens. It's normal, right? Like you start to feel really good and then you regress, and then you pick yourself up and you keep going, right? Or maybe you don't make any progress for the first six months. That's fine too. You know, sometimes your avoidance wins over and you're like, I'm not doing this. And then you finally find your. You finally find yourself in you, you move forward. And it's not linear either. Like, like grief

Peggy :

Yeah, it was a great

Brittany :

catch phrase.

Peggy :

presentation.

Brittany :

that says that that would

Peggy :

Thanks

Brittany :

throw up in her mouth

Peggy :

so much. Thank you.

Brittany :

pillow that says healing isn't linear. But it's not.

Peggy :

Thanks.

Brittany :

in a

Peggy :

Thank you.

Brittany :

line, right? Like there's no, there's no theme to it.

Peggy :

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Brittany :

heals differently.

Peggy :

Thank you. Thank you. That'd be like if you had one of them Live, Laugh, Love, Pictures.

Brittany :

have a live left love. When I bought my house, somebody gave me a, a live laugh, love like candle, and I was like, the trash off topic. There's that guy on TikTok where he is like, live, laugh, love, and like his mom has him everywhere and it just gets more and more aggressive. Absolutely

Peggy :

That

Brittany :

You'll not find that anywhere

Peggy :

would be great. Okay. But I mean, this is all kind of like de-stigmatizing the couch. Like, this isn't, none of this is stereotypical of like what we're seeing on TV. What we're seeing in the movies and stuff like that. Because it's not like that. It's never gonna be. I don't know how many times me and you sit there, yell at the TV like, Did you see this? Did you see how they were doing? Like, and. Or the worst one is when they sleep with their patients.

Brittany :

I can't even watch therapy shows because I like, I started watching one and I was like, wow, this is really cool. Like the patient kind of threw herself at the therapist and he rebuffed her. He was like, what you're experiencing is transference? And I was like, yes. Yes. I was so excited. And then like six episodes later, he's had, I was like, I was like, you disappoint me, sir. You disappoint me. How dare you?

Peggy :

You were supposed to be the chosen one!

Brittany :

was like, was like, you failed me. I was so mad. I was like, I can't, I can't watch it. Right. I guess that's like medical professionals who can't watch like, like medical shows or like firefighters and, you know what I mean? It's like, it's like, it's just not real life because people like us are like, we, you can't, you can't do that. And also so it's okay, we just

Peggy :

Or they're mixing us up with like psychiatry or psychology.

Brittany :

right?

Peggy :

Yeah, like they're all wrong.

Brittany :

same in Hollywood, right? Like there's no, there's no, um, I. Delineation, is that the word of like therapists? Like counselors and social workers or psychologists or psychiatrists, like we're all just grouped in the same category and one of my patients today called me a psychiatrist and I was like, no, uh, I'm not a psychiatrist. Those are doctors, like medical doctors. And he's like, oh, what are you? I was like, I'm a, I'm a licensed professional counselor. And he's like, oh, what does that mean? I was like,

Peggy :

I can't write your meds.

Brittany :

I can't write you meds and I don't have doctor in front of my name, but I can't give you therapy. You're welcome. He's like, oh, well that's good enough. I was like, thanks. I'm glad. I'll see you next week.

Peggy :

Yeah, I was like, would you like to go through the, the, the, like, hierarchy of things? I was like, psychiatry writes the meds.

Brittany :

Yeah.

Peggy :

they do, do they do talk therapy? Sometimes.

Brittany :

Yeah. Not so

Peggy :

I was like, psychology, they do the testing. And they have different paths. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Brittany :

right? Like I had a therapist, my first

Peggy :

exactly.

Brittany :

and she gave me hardcore, like good therapy, but like I guess there are some that want to do therapy and some that only want to do testing and I

Peggy :

Testing.

Brittany :

yeah.

Peggy :

And it depends on the path that you go. Like, Christina is doing neuropsych. So like, it really just depends on what type of psychologist you are. What type of psychiatrist you are. Just like with us, with the LPCs and the social workers and the licensed clinic, clinical social workers. There's so many of us. But that's why we have to differ.

Brittany :

training. They all, we all have different, like, um, what am I trying to say? Like paths to where, to get to where

Peggy :

I

Brittany :

I think we have another, uh, not trying to jump ahead, but I think we have another podcast where we talked about just that, right? Like the differences between, is it between us or is it just between like psychologists and

Peggy :

you know, Yeah, no, it's between everybody and the, uh, the differences and like what everybody does. But like, that's why I said that, you know, like that it's again, it's just the stereotyping, um, that's done in our profession and like who we are and what we do. Thank

Brittany :

Yeah. So like, if you had a really shitty experience, I challenge

Peggy :

you.

Brittany :

To go find someone else. you have trauma, find someone who is specializing in trauma, like one of us, right? Look for the CCTP one or two, right? that means they have trauma training, they're, uh, certified trauma professionals, they are, uh, what, what's the other, uh, I don't wanna say buzzword, what's the other one? They have like, you know, competencies in trauma will say on their profile, either on psychology they, or therapy den or

Peggy :

Uh,

Brittany :

they are

Peggy :

um,

Brittany :

things as well as us who have had specialized training in that, or someone who does the MDR. What else would be a good

Peggy :

uh, Okay.

Brittany :

And know that they're not there to fix,

Peggy :

Okay.

Brittany :

you angry. They're just gonna help you along, uh, which is what we did. It's true,

Peggy :

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Ja.

Brittany :

fixing broken bones. Right? not that simple.

Peggy :

No. But like, in therapy, but when you're speaking to it medically, like, therapy is not a crutch, too, though.

Brittany :

no, that's

Peggy :

Because, like, some people will hold on for so long that we do become, like, we're no longer a tool. We're...

Brittany :

Yeah, that's true.

Peggy :

And so, like, we're there to be the tool, not to just, I don't want to keep you, like, be a walking well and be healthy on your own.

Brittany :

Yeah. It's scary for a lot of them to like, especially ones we've had for a while when you're like, I think we need to decrease, and they're like, no. And you're like, okay, calm down. It's, I say,

Peggy :

Feels like a bad breakup because you're like, I think we need, I think we need space and we need to see each other less.

Brittany :

me. Right, right. We gotta see each other less and they're like, oh my God.

Peggy :

Yeah, they're like, that's gross. And I'm like, I know, but we're going to be okay apart. It's such an awkward conversation,

Brittany :

It

Peggy :

because I'm like, why does it feel like I'm breaking up with someone?

Brittany :

And you really anticipate the reaction. You're like, could go really well. this could be really bad, right? And then most of the time it ends up going, they're like, okay, yeah. Like they feel good about it, but you're afraid that they're gonna react. Um, react more than others, but you know, you kinda like, you kinda like slow it down in a slow fashion, like every two weeks, once a month, and then you're like, okay, I think we're good. And you're like, no, you trying to get rid of me. I'm really not. But like also, you're doing well. It's okay. You can always reach back out. I'll always be here.

Peggy :

So, really encouraging,

Brittany :

Why?

Peggy :

to try it, not necessarily like, okay, you have to stay with it for the next five years, or three years, or two years, or whatever. Even a year, just try

Brittany :

When I.

Peggy :

something, try something that's uncomfortable. And I think that is a huge thing there is embrace the uncomfortable. I know for like my husband and like their people would always say, like, embrace the suck. No, just embrace the uncomfortable.

Brittany :

Yep. like, you know, they, what was that? Was it grad? It's grad school. Really? Where they're kind of like you start planning discharge on the first session, right? Which really is not, I think for the walking, well, you can do that, right? Because I've had some walking while people where like six months, eight months in, about discharge, right? Because they're doing well, right? They're making really good progress. But I don't think you can do that with veterans. And you can't really do that with even first responders because of the extent of the things that they've been through. And you really don't know how long you're gonna have them for. Either. So you really can't plan discharge that way. And sometimes they'll just come in and they'll be like, yeah, today's my last session. And you're like, what? I'm sorry. Um, can you repeat that? So sometimes they impulsively are just like, yeah, I'm not coming back after today. You're like, I

Peggy :

Excuse me.

Brittany :

Yeah. You're like, I think that's a good idea. So you just never know what's gonna happen. And so you kind of just have to, say you have to go with it, but also you never know and you can't plan. So, um, sometimes you have them forever and sometimes they decide they're gonna just leave. Um, so you can't really do that. And just being, being, being supportive of their mindset, which is very, what did you say, warrior-like Yeah.

Peggy :

That's

Brittany :

It is.

Peggy :

a embrace. Embrace the uncomfortable.

Brittany :

Right? Because they're like, this is weak for me to talk about this. Or I don't know how to talk about my emotions and you know, you're just gonna try to give me all these medicines. And I'm like, I don't give medicine. I can't give you any medicine. Right. That's sine

Peggy :

No, we're just going to talk about your feelings and that's going to make you uncomfortable.

Brittany :

Also, I'm not Peggy. So if you don't wanna see Sabine, you don't have to, but you're just lucky you're not seeing Peggy.'cause she

Peggy :

I'll

Brittany :

to see Sabine

Peggy :

force nothing. I'm just like, you

Brittany :

motherfuckers spring. Right. The other one is like, uh, I, you know, well I've tried this is I hear, you know, I don't know about you right here. This a lot.

Peggy :

Cool.

Brittany :

I've tried all the things and they don't work for me. I've tried,

Peggy :

You haven't tried me.

Brittany :

right? All right. I've tried all the breathing, I've tried all the grounding, the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. I've tried all that. That doesn't work. And I'm like, I know, I know those things don't work for you you're not like everybody else. Right? Like, really? Okay. I have some other cool things. Let's, let's try those, right? Yeah. Um, because those are like the standard things that regular therapists are gonna give them to work, and they don't work for people. Like we see. They do work for some people, but they don't work for our people.

Peggy :

Yeah, but so how do they go about actually finding someone that is like us?

Brittany :

What do you mean like us?

Peggy :

Like how, yeah, like how does someone find a trauma-informed therapist? How does somebody find somebody that is like us? Yeah, is CCTP or any of these things like when somebody's out there looking for a therapist is because I know we have psychology today, therapy den, um, what are some of the other places they're all scurrying to look for us unless

Brittany :

Those are the two main ones. What's the, is there a third one?

Peggy :

they're VA and then, yeah.

Brittany :

there's like the psychotherapy network. There's that magazine. They also have a website. I think you can list, there are people listed there, but there's not a ton. Of, um, therapists listed on there, but so Psychology Today is the main one, right, where you can go and look. Psychology Today is like, is like a chef's kiss because you can filter your insurance, you can filter gender, you can filter if they're trauma informed or the specialties they work with, um, like if they're L-G-B-T-Q-I-A allied like Allied or whatever, right? Like you can do whatever you want at the top

Peggy :

thing feels like Tinder for therapists.

Brittany :

Right. It literally is tender for therapists, right? And then at the very top, you can choose your location. like if you're like for, well, if you're Richmond, Virginia or like, um, Arlington or wherever, right? Like you can choose. And then when you scroll down, you can choose if you want. It'll say on the side like telehealth and in person or whatever. And then you can click the little button that says, contact me, email me, or call. Right? Like, you can do whatever. and so once you filter it out, you can read the little bio. and then at the very bottom it shows like their insurances. If their only self pay, it shows

Peggy :

Just don't psychodial from Psychology Today ten times in a row, because it will not, it doesn't go well.

Brittany :

And I always, I always say like, if somebody's looking for a therapist, so don't put all your eggs in one basket unless you're emailing us.'cause you'll get a response. Right. some people are listed on Psychology Today and you'll reach out and I, there's no hate and I'm not talking shit.'cause people are busy. I get that. We're busy. Peggy and I are insanely busy. Like she's the trained director. She stays busy. I'm the clinic. I, I am so busy. I'm so busy. Right. We have an endless to-do list, but somehow we still find time to reach out personally. at least we try to, the people that reach out to us on Psychology Today, and if I don't reach out to the people personally, our admin does, and same goes for Peggy we have intake coordinators that do the same thing. So, but there are people out there on Psychology Today who don't do

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

experience with that. I will call six

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

myself or my kid and nobody calls

Peggy :

I don't know.

Brittany :

that to say,

Peggy :

Only.

Brittany :

put all your

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

in one basket. Reach out to at least five or six people. I. If

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

But if you reach out to them and you don't

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

email or call them, email might work better.'cause you could say, Hey, this is me, this is

Peggy :

Um,

Brittany :

looking for. my name and my phone number and my email address. Please call me back. Sometimes if you put in your, um, insurance information, you get a call back faster.'cause they want to know they're going to bill therapy. Then I don't have a ton of experience with, uh, I'm listed there, but I've never actually used it. So, uh,

Peggy :

it just depends. Okay.

Brittany :

Psychology today. So, um, same thing. Reach out,

Peggy :

Um,

Brittany :

keep moving. informed. If you need trauma informed, if you're looking for a life transition, that too. If you need medication management, it's the same thing. You can click psychiatrist, psychologists, whatever you need, filter it Also. Less effective. But you can still

Peggy :

so,

Brittany :

You call your insurance and say,

Peggy :

so, If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Absolutely.

Brittany :

but we'll still take you, we'll still take you.

Peggy :

Um,

Brittany :

Um, but if you can't afford it, use your insurance. Um, so, so yeah. Uh, that was, um, that was it. We got the websites, the directories. I

Peggy :

Mhm.

Brittany :

good books to read.

Peggy :

Absolutely.

Brittany :

Do we wanna talk

Peggy :

Yeah.

Brittany :

The Body Keeps the Score. Our Lord and Savior, Bessel van der cot.

Peggy :

No bad parts. Walking

Brittany :

Um, what's another good one?

Peggy :

the tiger. No bad parts. Just

Brittany :

You

Peggy :

a proud

Brittany :

the, uh, I saw you looking at your bookshelf. Peggy's got some wild outlandish books on that bookshelf.

Peggy :

You leave my books alone because it depends on what you want, trauma or sex. Thanks

Brittany :

She's got trauma or sex, like, uh, well, there's that one that we're gonna be talking about soon. Um, if you wanna go ahead and read it. It's called The Feeding the Giant, uh, Roseanne Nunnery. She was actually my grad school professor. It's about narcissistic abuse. You can find it on Amazon. Um, a, it's not an easy read, but

Peggy :

for watching!

Brittany :

good information there if you've ever been a victim of narcissistic abuse. excellent, excellent read. Um, codependent No More is a good one. If you are. of those people. Uh, I was actually very feeling very seen reading that book. I was like, well, I'm not co-dependent. And then I read it and I was like, oh God, maybe I'm a little good about it. Um, what's the other one? Oh, what's that one that we have at the, it's a I love you or I Hate you,

Peggy :

I hate you don't listen.

Brittany :

Yeah. I hate you.

Peggy :

her borderline.

Brittany :

Yep. That's a good one. Um, of course, like we're not diagnosing people here, but like also if, you know, you know, you know, I'm not very good at winking, so sorry, y'all. I,

Peggy :

I think

Brittany :

Um, yeah. Tune in for more. Um, is that all we have? Is that all we have?

Peggy :

that is all that we have today.

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Peggy :

Next week, we have, oh, we have buzzwords in therapy that are being overused.

Brittany :

Yeah, and I mean like, sorry guys. Eventually we'll have, uh, our, say you my sister who is a 9 1 1 dispatcher. We've had some scheduling issues with her trying to get her in here and I'm sorry. Okay. Like she's busy, she's out here doing work, helping get save lives. Okay? So like eventually we'll get her in here and, um, get her on things. So like, just be patient, okay? Don't be mad at us, we're still giving you content. So we'll get there when we get there. Okay? Uh, so buzzwords next time. Uh, thank you for liking and sharing. We've got lots of new followers, uh, and lots of new subscribers just with our first two Thumbnail of Gradient-BG-1.png Thumbnail of Black And White Grunge High Tech Overlay Looping Animated Motion Background Thumbnail of Black And White Grunge High Tech Overlay Looping Animated Motion Background Thumbnail of Black And White Grunge High Tech Overlay

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Brittany :

next one.

Peggy :

you so much.