Marriage Surprises: What We Didn’t See Coming

Surprising Truths About Marriage and How to Navigate Them

In the Home and Marriage Podcast's eighth episode, Lennon and Christal celebrate their 19th wedding anniversary by discussing unexpected lessons they've learned throughout their marriage. They share personal stories about managing crises like car troubles on special occasions, the evolution of intimacy over time, the challenge of understanding and adapting to each other's communication styles, and the importance of everyday gestures in maintaining a romantic relationship. The episode also touches on the complexities of managing relationships with in-laws and the continuous journey of discovering new facets of each other. 

00:00 Welcome to the Home and Marriage Podcast
00:21 Celebrating 19 Years of Marriage
01:06 Anniversary Weekend Challenges
03:25 Marriage Surprises: What We Didn't See Coming
05:00 Understanding Each Other in Marriage
05:37 The Journey of Becoming One
06:44 Communication Differences Between Men and Women
10:52 Sex and Intimacy: Getting Better Over Time
14:40 Introduction to the Six Habits of Happy Couples Course
16:00 Funny Marriage Expectations vs. Reality
17:36 Marriage Exposes Your Heart
22:06 The In-Law Effect
24:56 Importance of Little Things in Marriage
28:14 Continual Learning in Marriage
29:24 Conclusion and Podcast Information

Transcript

Lennon: 0:03

This is the Home and Marriage Podcast with Lennon and Christal Noland, where we help couples become better at home and stronger together. We are husband and wife, parents and ministers who want God's best for our family and for yours. Well, friends, welcome back to the show. We're so glad that you're here with us today. And, this is, it may only be the eighth episode of this podcast. Overall, we are also gonna call it an anniversary edition because in its own way, that's what it is

Christal: 0:31

because we just celebrated 19 years. Of a wedding bliss.

Lennon: 0:35

We did

Christal: 0:36

marriage bliss, not wedding

Lennon: 0:37

bliss. Would, would we say that joke? Some people say like, I've been married for 27 years and 24 of 'em were so great. Would we ever say something like that? No, I don't think so. It's all been clouds and bliss, right?

Christal: 0:50

Clouds. I

Lennon: 0:52

don't know Clouds. What clouds

Christal: 0:53

mean?

Lennon: 0:54

I dunno. Whenever I think of bliss, I think of clouds. What? I don't know. Floating on clouds. Happiness. Oh,

Christal: 0:59

floating on clouds. Oh man. When you say clouds, it was like a stormy cloud above you In my mind. No. No.

Lennon: 1:06

Well, let's, let's talk about what was not blissful, and that was the start of our anniversary weekend. Yeah. We had a plan going into it. We had a plan. We had already made a few. Concessions to what our anniversary was gonna be. It started off, it was gonna be like a hotel getaway downtown Dallas. We decided, hey, let's reign this back in, make it a little more fiscally responsible. And then we got hit with a massive expense rolling right into the weekend.

Christal: 1:34

Yeah, so our we're one car family currently and that one car. Had the check engine light on it for a little while, and we knew what was wrong, waiting to get in the shop for it, but it was not gonna, it was not gonna take us very much further. This, the car started to break down on me a couple times when I was driving with the kids. And so we knew we have to get this car in the shop right now, and then we didn't have like a backup car for that, so we went online to try to find a car rental place near us that could, we could go pick up a car. Nothing was available at all.

Lennon: 2:08

Well, Just within all of this, the, one of the big things that happened was the fix wasn't covered under warranty, and so we had an out-of-pocket expense this weekend of $2,000, and so we're still trying to pull off a car rental. Like you said, it was impossibly difficult to get a car rental. We finally. Did. But man, we scaled back our dinner reservation. We still got the kids over to the grandparents. We still had the house to ourselves for a couple of days, which was really, really great. But. It was all over the place to try to get this fun weekend kicked off.

Christal: 2:46

Yeah. At one point I didn't even know if we were gonna make it happen. Somehow. I was like, how are we gonna make this happen and not even have a car to drive around in? 'cause we did. We planned to go to Dallas and to a nice restaurant and enjoy that time, which we ended up doing still, which was, thank the Lord, it, it worked out. But our original plan was not what ended up happening. But I'm gonna say that I think. It worked out even better somehow, all of this, our, our weekend became a wonderful weekend. We had a great time. We went to Dallas. The Lord worked it out for us, but it just wasn't the original plan.

Lennon: 3:24

Right. And that's actually a perfect segue into what we're gonna talk about today, because we are gonna talk about. Marriage surprises. What we didn't see coming whenever we got married, and so going, just like going into this weekend, we had so many things happen that we did not see coming on an anniversary weekend. It's really the case with marriage in general that there's the marriage you think you're going to have. Then there's the marriage that you do have, and that's not saying that you thought you were gonna have a good marriage and you have an awful one. It's just that you are not prepared for the realities of two people becoming one. However you think it's gonna look, it's gonna look different.

Christal: 4:05

I had to dig back into my premarried brain pretty deep to remember what it was like, to think what I feel marriage is gonna be like. This is what I expect. I would say that we have learned a lot that we didn't know we would learn. And we've had a lot of wonderful surprises. And then we've had a lot of oh my goodness, this is really marriage.

Lennon: 4:28

Yeah. So what we've done today is we both have a list. We are flying blind. I haven't seen your list. You haven't seen mine. Mm-hmm. This is becoming my favorite way to do show notes, by the way. That's fun. So, What we have is this list of things that surprised us about marriage and what we'll do is if Crystal says one that I have on my list, we'll deep dive together on that and, otherwise we will just go back and forth. Ladies first, why don't you do the honors of kicking us off? What is the first thing that really surprised you about marriage?

Christal: 5:00

I think the first thing for me was you really feel like you are so. The same person before you even get married. You feel so connected and like you understand one, one another so well, and this guy just totally gets me. He knows all the things about me. It's my person. And then you get married and you live together and you start to ask yourself the question, did they even know me? Like, do they even, they don't even get me.

Lennon: 5:29

First of all, are they even human? Do they get me? Yeah.

Christal: 5:33

Right. So that for me was a big eye-opener. it's just, it's that whole becoming one is really a process. We learned that from some good friends of ours. Dr. David Ifi, when he told you and me when we were first married, that becoming one is a process. Right. But the becoming one. Isn't just automatic learning each other, how to communicate, how to talk to one another. I mean, we still have moments where I'm saying something and I think I'm so clear and then you totally don't understand anything I'm saying or vice versa.

Lennon: 6:12

Yeah, that's one of the, okay. I'm just gonna go ahead and say here, I, I had the same point.

Christal: 6:17

Okay. And

Lennon: 6:18

I actually had the same point first, just like you did that we don't, we are one. We are one. We're, we're so in sync. We're

Christal: 6:25

so one,

Lennon: 6:25

we're so Jim and Pam, even when we're out of sync, we're in sync. Even

Christal: 6:29

better. Yeah. Yeah.

Lennon: 6:30

Okay. But we won't always understand each other. And so, you're right. The communication deal is probably one of the biggest, one of the biggest things and. The encouragement is that that's also a very common thing. It's not just that surprise, you and I are different people. It's also surprise men and women in general think, talk and approach things very differently.

Christal: 6:56

I remember our first real married fight We come back from the honeymoon, we're on cloud nine, speaking of clouds, and then we're in our apartment and we're. In real life mode now. And I remember us having this one big fight and it shocked me 'cause I didn't feel like we would have a fight for a long time. And I remember us being up all night. Talking. Do you remember what it was

Lennon: 7:20

about? Do we wanna say what it was about? Probably not.

Christal: 7:23

Oh man. I don't remember all what it was about, but I remember my fears of like feeling so insecure insecurities were coming out. Mm-hmm. Something you said in a way that you probably didn't mean it the way I took it. And back then I didn't even know how to. How to process some of that. And so I just remember feeling really worried and hurt and how could we have a fight? We were so one, we were so the same, and he doesn't get me at all. Like I remember those thoughts coming through my mind like. He doesn't seem to understand me and I, I'm, I'm pouring out my heart here. And so that really shocked me. I think that first married fight

Lennon: 8:04

Yeah. And a lot of times, whenever we are talking about the same issue, we, what you need from me is different sometimes than what I try to give you. And this is kind of typical in this sense that a woman's. Need for security, for connection, for reassurance is often met with a man's, problem solving. This is how you need to think of it and it's gonna be fine. Yeah. And we can move on.

Christal: 8:31

Yeah.

Lennon: 8:31

Pretty typical stuff.

Christal: 8:32

It is.

Lennon: 8:33

You know, someone that we've learned a lot from about marriage. Dr. Ken Wilkis, who also writes on raising teenagers, he gave this illustration of how men and women see things. And he says, if you put a hand up between your eyes, just like along your nose and you close one eye, you can only see one side of your hand.

Christal: 8:52

Mm.

Lennon: 8:52

You cannot see the other side no matter how much you, you try to look for it with that one eye, and then you do the same by opening the other eye and you see the other side of your hand. And his point is just that men and women often see things in different ways. And so for any one of us to think that we see it the right. Way. Mm-hmm. All the time. And the other person just needs to come around to our way of seeing things is neglecting the wiring of this other person that God gave us.

Christal: 9:21

Yeah. And I knew before marriage that men and women were very different. I mean, I just, I knew that, but I think for me, I really assumed that because you were my soulmate and we were so in love, of course, which we still are, but we were just newly in love. And My mind was blown that you just didn't seem to get me and I thought you knew me, but as we've gone through marriage these past years. I see more and more how men and women are just very different and our brains are so different. Like Dr. Ken says, we, we are just created differently and that's not a bad thing. It's just good to recognize. 'cause if we can recognize it, I think it takes out a lot of the angst that doesn't have to be there over this person seems to be, you know, like my mirror, you know exactly as Justin Timberlake would say. Anyways, but like there is some sort of reflection we do have in one another. I think there's still some things that really connect our heart because we do know each other so well. Yes. At the same time, we are different. Men and women are different. We process things different. Our communication styles are different, and it's okay to recognize that.

Lennon: 10:35

It is so in your marriage, if you are feeling like you just don't get each other, sometimes it is because you just don't get each other sometimes. And that's okay.

Christal: 10:46

Yeah, it is.

Lennon: 10:47

Okay. So, that's the first thing. We're both surprised with that. Mm-hmm. Just, we don't always understand each other. The second thing on, on my list that I have is that sex actually can get better over time.

Christal: 10:59

Mm-hmm.

Lennon: 11:00

Did that make your list?

Christal: 11:02

It did. And I, I put it in the way of intimacy and connection becomes, so much deeper. Especially when you're working on it and you're keeping connected. Of course this is such a woman way to say this, and it, it did.

Lennon: 11:14

There's there's a different way I, I say sex can get better and you say intimacy can get better.

Christal: 11:20

Yeah. Intimacy and connection and sex is still In that category, like I'm thinking that's one of the things that become better and, we understand what each other likes, we're just more intimate,. But overall, I'm thinking of just our intimate lives, our sharing there's stuff that you open up to me about or share in a way that I think at the beginning of our marriage, we didn't really do that or know how to do that quite yet. So let's, we'll, let's dig into, like you brought up at the beginning of this point. Let's dig into the sex part. How does that become better? Why does it become better? what? What do you think?

Lennon: 11:56

It's interesting that it does become better, and I think it really speaks to God's design because for couples that have been married for a long time, you probably already do not look at your physical best. We're never gonna be younger than we are. Yeah. Than when we first get married. Right. That, that's really what I'm saying. And an immature view of sex is that it's all about and only about the physical attractiveness and enjoying each other physically. But of course it becomes so much more than that. And having been in ministry a long time, and especially working with young adults like we did for so many years, doing so many weddings, one of the things that, I talked about a few different times with young grooms were men who would come back and just sort of mention in a whispered tone, uh, listen, I did not expect. What actually went down and what they found out on their honeymoon was that there was more to a great sexual connection than we can finally have sex. Mm. That this woman has a personality and, and of course they do too. So we actually, I actually begin to give men a little heads up going into their wedding night.

Christal: 13:11

Yeah.

Lennon: 13:11

If I had that relationship with 'em, I would say something like, listen my man. You may have the greatest experience of your life, your honeymoon night, and this is gonna be a little graphic, but I would say you may rip each other's clothes off. You may have simultaneous orgasms. It may, is that too intense? It's, uh, it, it may be everything that you've ever pictured. Or it might be a lot if you guys have waited for marriage as God has, as God wants you to. It might be a lot to go from zero to to a hundred miles an hour. Mm-hmm. Immediately, just because you can, and the encouragement that I would give them is something that I've found in marriage. Whatever happens tonight, you are beginning a lifetime. Together with this other person, you're gonna know each other, love each other in ways, months from now, years from now, that you can't imagine right now.

Christal: 14:06

Mm-hmm.

Lennon: 14:07

And it can get, and it will get better and better.

Christal: 14:10

Yeah, that's right. I like that.

Lennon: 14:12

And what you find out is that sex is an aspect of your. Relationship, something you communicate about that you stay in touch about, that you give each other feedback on. Mm-hmm. And when we're willing to do that, I guess that's what we're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Sex gets better with age. It's not that you become some sort of physical icon and master mm-hmm. Of getting down in the sack. It's, I'm so sorry. Good to say it. That's one way to say it. You know what I'm saying? Yes, I do. Okay.

Christal: 14:40

I do.

Lennon: 14:43

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Christal: 16:00

Okay, so I'll share another one of mine. So first of all, I thought that I would really do well at shaving my legs all the time once I have a husband and I thought that I would snuggle all night with my husband in the bed. Both of those things have not come true. That's so funny.

Lennon: 16:20

I, you know, I remember you telling me that when we were engaged, uh, like, Hey, whenever we're married, I'll shave my legs all the time.

Christal: 16:27

I'm sharing some stuff with people that please don't look at me like I'm a gross person and don't ever shave a legs. I do. I really do. But I thought getting married, I would do it like every day. I would have the smoothest legs all the time. And you know, I think that just shows that. We're comfortable with one another and you know, it, it doesn't have to be like that perfection all the time, right? It,

Lennon: 16:49

it doesn't have to be perfection all the time. It can't be perfection all the time. These are just funny

Christal: 16:52

things, honey. I'm really just throwing you off here probably, but you are. I will just say, let's talk about the bed thing. This is just for fun. I think we both thought that, we said that coming into marriage we really thought that we'd wanna snuggle all night. Come to find out we're pretty much both hot sleepers.

Lennon: 17:07

Yeah. And

Christal: 17:08

we might snuggle for a minute and then we need our separate spaces.

Lennon: 17:11

That's what we gotta do. Yeah. Because, uh, come over here, lay on my chest, you know, really sweet while it's happening. But yeah, we do start to warm up like a I don't even know what the term is, but yeah, you just get hot. Just get hot. I just see my

Christal: 17:24

space when I sleep. I mean, seriously. I don't know if anybody else is like this out there. If you're not like us, then you just be you. But I just, I think it's funny. Okay, so let's get real. Let's get real. All right. One thing that I wrote down was how marriage can really expose your heart, bring out the ugly. And show your selfishness that you didn't maybe realize you had in you. It magnifies everything. So, you know, we tell couples that our, our talking about marriage, maybe it's not going well and they're dating, one thing we say to them is, you know, that marriage isn't gonna fix that issue's. Right. Marriage will bring out. All that's within you, it magnifies those things. So that was something that really surprised me.

Lennon: 18:11

You know, I remember you saying really candidly, this is really candid, but this was an important moment early in our marriage. I remember you, you saying to me one time, we're having a conversation that was a, that was really important at the moment, and you said, I'm selfish.

Christal: 18:27

Oh, I admitted it.

Lennon: 18:29

You did? You did. And husband's all around her saying she admitted it. No, that's a bad joke. I think

Christal: 18:35

we've all admit, I think both of us have admitted that at sometimes yes. Like like after a fight we may come back together and talk about it and one of us. May say, you know what, I'm sorry. I was really, I was really being selfish. There I was. I was not thinking about you like I should have.

Lennon: 18:51

Yeah. That's the absolute truth. Mm-hmm. On my version of that, on my list. It was at the end, but my surprise was this, I need to change to make the marriage better.

Christal: 19:03

Mm-hmm.

Lennon: 19:03

Because I did realize that about myself. I have opinions on. Everything. And I would hold to and dig in on some things where I had the opportunity to, and I still do this sometimes to love you and to serve you, but here I am trying to really get my own way and selfishness shows up in a million different ways, but it's a big deal. Yeah, it's surprising. Not just how selfish your spouse will be, you will be surprised at how selfish you are

Christal: 19:31

You will, here's another part of this. I feel like it, it magnifies your insecurities and fears. I didn't know I had so much fear in this area for instance, I think for me I had a real fear of you would just stop loving me. I don't know even though where that came from because you know, I grew up with a family that loved me, a dad, a mom that loved me, but I just had this fear of that. So when we get in a fight, it was like, oh no, he's gonna stop loving me. it just exposes more of those deep things that are in you what's wonderful about marriage and beautiful in that it exposes it. So you can deal with it. Right, not just so it can just be there and get worse. I think it exposes it so you're like, oh wow, I'm really selfish about this, or I really think about myself a lot, and then coming to that knowledge helps us go to the Lord with it and say, God, can you help me? I'm realizing this is in me, but I really need you to help. Me deal with this issue?

Lennon: 20:32

Yeah. There's a quote that I have in my notes that you and I share at marriage conferences that we do. Mm-hmm. So one of the quotes we come back to quite often, by the way, at home and marriage.com, you can, um,, sign up to have us or begin a conversation to have us come to your church or to your gathering if you ever want to hear from us, on marriage. But Tim and Kathy Keller wrote a book called The Meaning of Marriage, and this is what they say about selfishness. They say, only you have complete access to your own selfishness, and only you have complete responsibility for it. So each spouse should take the Bible seriously. Should make a commitment to give yourself up. You should stop making excuses for your selfishness. You should also begin to root it out as it is revealed to you, and you should do so regardless of what your spouse is doing. And this is right, right here. One of my favorite marriage insights ever. If two spouses say, I'm going to treat my self-centeredness as the main problem in the marriage, you have the prospect of a truly great marriage.

Christal: 21:40

Mm-hmm. I love that.

Lennon: 21:42

I got goosebumps just reading it for the billionth time.

Christal: 21:45

Yeah. It's still, it's so true. I think that's something that everybody needs to come to a realization of, yeah, we're just not all perfect and we need God's help to transform us and change us so we can be better even as a spouse.

Lennon: 22:00

Right. Right.

Christal: 22:01

Okay, so you wanna do another one?

Lennon: 22:04

I do. And, and here's one. The in-law effect is real. Oh, surprisingly, in our marriage, the in-law effect is a real thing. And by the in-law effect, I mean that, uh, that thing where your relationship with your spouse's parents or your relationship as a couple with either one of your parents becomes something that is difficult to manage at times

Christal: 22:28

when you marry the person, you really marry their family. You do, you, you can't avoid the issues of family dynamics coming up within your marriage. Right, right. What you do with that makes all the difference. We know the verse you leave in Cleve, right? Well, it's Genesis

Lennon: 22:45

2 24. This is why a man leaves his father and mother and bonds with his wife, and they become one flesh.

Christal: 22:53

Right. It really depends on how we handle these relationships and family relationships. So one thing that surprised me within this that you bring up, you may have even written this down, but the holidays, we're approaching the holiday season. And you know, everybody wants to be together in the holidays and we would love to be with both sides of our families simultaneously if we could. Right. But that just doesn't happen. Everybody lives in different places. So what we do is we end up taking turns. On different holidays. Yeah. But even that, there's always sometimes a little frustration that you can't be everywhere at once.

Lennon: 23:34

Well, I remember being surprised. I, I sort of expected the, Hey, you gotta make choices at the holidays for which day and how long, and all that kind of stuff. But I expected that it would be a little easier for us because, I mean, when you're dealing with divorced parents and stepparents and everything, that multiplies even more. Yeah. The places you have to be and the number of people that are expecting you to be able to be with them. On a holiday. Mm-hmm. But your parents are intact. My dad is a single man. My, my mom passed on years ago, and so those are only two sets of in-laws to visit, and yet we would run into scheduling conflicts and, and really what we felt was that we were letting people down. Mm. And just that tension of, gosh, I just can't keep everyone happy, and that's just not a holiday thing, is it? tensions often arise around other things too. There's the grandkids. Sometimes there is unsolicited parenting advice from your adult parents that are criticizing you as parents. And this is not actually something we have, experienced ourselves, but I know from having friends that it's something that a lot of people do experience. So the in-law effect, it's a real thing. Maybe someday we'll do a whole episode on that. Mm-hmm. Today's not the day, but Mm-hmm. What's next on yours?

Christal: 24:54

Okay, so I have, um. Just How important the little things and the those everyday moments are to your romantic life. Thinking back before we were married, I really assumed. Those big moments in your marriage are gonna be the most important, impactful moments of your married life. And what I've come to see is how important, like those little things that you do every day for one another make the romance so much better. So like for instance, I know you, you love to leave me notes at times, so if you leave me a love note on my pillow, that oh my goodness, is like huge to me. I mean, I would never turn down like a cruise to the Greek islands or something. Of course you wouldn't. I was so hint, hint. But like last night. You. Saw that I didn't feel well. I had a bad headache. I just, my body was not feeling well. I felt like I was coming down with something and I was gonna cook the meal last night. But you ended up saying, Hey, let me cook it for you. And so those little things make our lives so much more romantic than just a big grand gesture.

Lennon: 26:04

They really do. It was actually the last thing on my list. But the way that I put it is that it's easy to stop doing things that, you know, work.

Christal: 26:12

Right.

Lennon: 26:13

I don't think any married couple should be surprised if they look up and they're like, gosh, we haven't been on a date in months. Or, I don't feel like she's really noticing everything I do right now. You just can't be surprised whenever you hit these little everyday bump along the way. Mm-hmm. And you shouldn't expect that you won't have to recalibrate on a consistent basis. Yeah. You're always gonna have to keep working on your marriage.

Christal: 26:39

That's right. Before I got married, I didn't understand how important those things were to a marriage. And as we've gone, along these years, I really have seen how all those little things add up. To a great marriage. And so I just encourage everybody listening. I mean, do the little things. What you say, what you do every day really makes a difference in your marriage.

Lennon: 27:04

I have this memory of. Year one or two, you and I were in this bookstore. There used to be a franchise called Hastings. Mm-hmm. Rest in peace, if you remember Hastings. But we were in the bookstore together one day and you said, Hey, I thought about getting a marriage devotional. Do you remember this?

Christal: 27:22

Yeah, I do.

Lennon: 27:23

Do you remember how I respond?

Christal: 27:25

Yeah. You were like, oh, I, I don't need one of those.

Lennon: 27:27

I started laughing. I was like, what? We're good at this. I'm, I'm great at this. It was very prideful, and, and it was, it was actually instantaneous. I really thought I must be killing it.

Christal: 27:40

Mm. And

Lennon: 27:41

so, but even if you are killing it, yeah. What you were reaching out for was, let's keep working on us and also hey. Maybe you can get better at a few things.

Christal: 27:50

I, I remember, not feeling like oh my goodness, our marriage is so bad that we need something to rescue us Right now. It was more about, oh man, I need to learn more about this. It's kind of like that saying, when you're young, you think you know everything, and as you get older you realize how much you don't know. Right. And so for me it was very much like, let's keep growing, let's keep learning.

Lennon: 28:11

That's the end of my list. Do you have anything else on yours?

Christal: 28:14

I'll just say one more thing is that as, as long as we've been married to one another, I learn new things about you all the time. And we do change over the years in some ways. Like I'm not the same exact person. There's a lot of change that's happened in me and we've gone through a lot of things, which reveals new things, in each other. So that was something that surprised me was just that I'm continually learning new things about this person. I thought we probably had that wrapped up within five years maybe of marriage. Right. At that

Lennon: 28:46

point we'll have figured each other out.

Christal: 28:47

Right. But no, and like just the other day, you were telling the kids a story that I had never heard, and I was like, have I ever heard that story? I don't think you've ever told me that story. I think your spouse has many layers to them and they're always changing, and so just being able to keep that in your heart and mind, like, I'm gonna get to continually learn about them and know them, that it's not gonna get boring.

Lennon: 29:11

No, it, it is not gonna get boring because life is gonna keep throwing things at you. You're gonna go through things that you didn't expect, and if we can just stay leaned into each other, we can face anything together.

Christal: 29:23

That's right.

Lennon: 29:24

And really friends, that's the heart of, what we do with home and marriage. It's the heart of this podcast to be a coach or a friend, sort of in your ear, cheering you on that however things are in your marriage and at home, they can get better. And that's really what we want for you. We want you to be better at home and stronger together.

Christal: 29:45

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Lennon: 30:21

So thank you for joining us on the Home and Marriage Podcast. We really do believe that home can be your favorite place. We'll be back again next week with more encouragement and wisdom to help you be better at home and stronger together.