We Didn’t Talk for 15 Years… And It Mattered More Than We Admitted

We Didn’t Talk for 15 Years… And It Mattered More Than We Admitted 

What happens when someone who once knew everything about you… becomes a stranger? 

In this deeply personal episode of Slightly Unsupervised, Jennifer and Jackie open up about the 15 years they didn’t speak — and why that silence mattered more than they ever admitted. 

This wasn’t a dramatic falling out.
 No big fight. No clear ending. 

Just life… pulling them in different directions. 

But here’s the truth:
 You don’t just lose the friendship.
 You lose the person who remembers your life with you. 

Together, they reflect on: 

•  How a ride-or-die friendship can quietly fade over time 
•  The pain of losing shared memories — not just the person 
•  Why “we just grew apart” doesn’t always tell the full story 
•  The impact of relationships, life changes, and timing 
•  What it feels like to reconnect after years apart 
•  And why some friendships never fully leave you 

This episode is raw, nostalgic, funny, and honest — full of wild high school memories, late-night talks, and the kind of connection that doesn’t come around often.
 
Because sometimes…
 The friendships we lose aren’t gone.
 They’re just waiting for the right moment to find their way back.
 
🎙 Hosted by Jennifer & Jackie
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If you’ve ever lost a friend, missed someone quietly, or wondered “what if”… this episode will hit you right in the heart.
 
And maybe… give you the courage to reach back out.
 

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Transcript

Jennifer 0:00

Hey there, I'm Jennifer.

Jackie 0:01

And I'm Jackie.

Jennifer 0:02

And welcome to Slightly Unsupervised. We're best friends, business partners, and the chaos behind bestimony, a ceremony we created to celebrate the kind of soulmates who don't come with a marriage license.

Jackie 0:11

This podcast is all about that friendship energy, the deep stuff, the missed stuff, and the laugh to you, snort stuff.

Jennifer 0:16

So whether you're driving, folding laundry, or hiding in your car for some peace and quiet.

Jackie 0:20

You're in good company. Let's get slightly unsupervised. Today our episode is about we didn't talk for 15 years and it mattered more than we admitted. It's a strange thing how one person can be such a big part of your life one minute and then feel like a stranger the next. Like how do you go from talking every day, knowing everything about each other, to barely knowing what's going on in each other's lives? And it wasn't like we had this huge falling out. We would still see each other every once in a while. And when we did, it was easy. The connection was still there. You could feel it. But then life would pull us right back out again. And somehow over time you start to tell yourself that maybe it doesn't matter as much anymore. That it's just life that people grow apart. But I don't think that's really true. Because when you have that kind of connection with someone, it doesn't just go that go away. What changes is that you stop sharing your life with one person who helped create those memories with you. And that part hurts more than people realize because those memories, they don't feel the same when you're holding them by yourself. You don't lose the friendship, you lose the person you who remembers it all with you.

Jennifer 1:34

The inside jokes, the stories, the moments that made you who you were back then. And that's the part that no one talks about. We didn't just lose each other for those years. We lost a part of our history. The good part. The part that was easy and fun and ours. Even if we tell ourselves it doesn't matter, it did. Because when you find your way back to that person, you realize it mattered the whole time. And that's exactly it. We've been we've talked about this before, and we've never really gone into deep with it. I think because you don't fully understand something until time has passed. And now it has. And the truth is that it's it isn't just our story. This happens with so many women and nobody really talks about it. So we wanted to share in a real way because people need something they could relate to. They need to know that there's hope too. And for Jackie and I in particular, we had a really wild and fun and super connected experience. Um, it started in high school. Um, we were always friends, Jack, right? We were like friends probably from junior high on, but not like solid. I would say that you were my like ride or die. You know what I mean? Like there's there's different friendship rights. You got your friends to do this, do that. Jackie was really kind of my ride or die friend, and I was probably her ride or die friend for it was like someone to get chaotic with, someone to go experience life in a really like open and crazy and full of life kind of experience for me. I know for Jackie too, that we came into each other's lives kind of the story of us meeting or the first time we ever went out is always the a really fun story. Like if you have a really great story for the very first time that you hung out with each other and it was that that experience was so meaningful and that story is so powerful, you can imagine like what we did from that. If we had just gone out, Jack, let's say the very first time, we stole my mom's car, we I picked you up, it was snowing, there was all these things going on. If I had just picked you up on like a Friday and nothing exp nothing had wild had happened, can you imagine like where we would have gone with that? Like it was so chaotic, even the very first time that we went out and hung out together and really became like hellions together. I think that it's part of our story about that story in particular that one night. There are so many memories in just that one night, don't you think? Like, did you ever have like that much time or that much experience with one person on one night that would cause you to?

Jackie 4:07

I think that like the night seemed like it went forever. Like it didn't seem like honestly did. I mean, when you think it was so short, but it it seemed like it was a long night.

Jennifer 4:17

It did.

Jackie 4:18

It's so funny.

Jennifer 4:19

It's so many things happened to us too. Like it wasn't just like one thing went crazy.

Jackie 4:26

It was like No, but it was meant to be. It was meant to be that's how our friendship started.

unknown 4:30

Yeah.

Speaker 1 4:31

Definitely.

Jennifer 4:32

Yeah for sure. Like if I had just picked you up and we went out and we went and then I dropped you back off, we may not have been like we went to a dance.

Jackie 4:39

We sat there for three hours or four hours and then we went home. No, that's not the situation. No, none of our nights out were like that easy.

Jennifer 4:51

No.

Jackie 4:52

We didn't go to the McDonald's and hang out with our friends and like we had some burrs.

Jennifer 4:56

Yeah, no. There was nothing innocent about when we went out. I mean, we were wild. It was just like you found, at least for me, right? Because I had a really good friend that was kind of, you know, she was my best friend back then. She was like very, you know, she had a boyfriend. I think that she wasn't even there, I don't think. I think she was in Harvard at that time. But anyways, that she, you know, her life was like, was it so chaotic? And then I met Jackie and it was like, oh my god, I've met my it's um question, one of the questions it says to ask, what do you think um we were to each other back then? I feel like we were support. Yeah. I feel like we were everything we both had kind of the same family life at home. Right. Which a lot of our friends didn't. I think our family our friends had a lot more family life at home where we didn't.

Jackie 5:47

Right. So we were like therapists, parents, sister, a lot of support to each other. Right. That we didn't have that. Like we both went home where we felt alone. We felt alone, yeah.

Jennifer 5:59

And then we we could be to get with each other and be like, oh man, this feels so much better to be with someone.

Jackie 6:05

On the phone with each other because we were alone. Right. I felt like or we go home from school, we were alone. You were going to work, I'd come to work with you because I was alone coming home from school. My parents worked.

Jennifer 6:17

Right.

Jackie 6:18

Um, so it was like support. Does that make sense? Um I think it makes a lot of sense. Um, we didn't want to go home alone.

Jennifer 6:26

No, we didn't. And we spent a lot of time by ourselves. Maybe in those teenage years, looking back, though that was kind of a lot of people.

Jackie 6:33

That wasn't even I guess that was teenage, but it was still the early, think about sixth.

Jennifer 6:38

No, I didn't come till seventh grade, but um seventh?

Jackie 6:41

So it was seventh grade. Yeah. But that's still young.

Jennifer 6:44

Still yeah. But I think that if you can, you know, I think you start kids themselves at that age start branching off from their parents, like, I don't want to talk to you anyway. So maybe in the in the big scheme of things, like you say kid.

Jackie 6:56

Parents don't want to talk to you because that was the 80s. But nowadays the parents want to talk to the kids, but they're not.

Jennifer 7:03

They don't want to the kids are like, yeah, I don't want to talk to you. I know, right? Well, I mean, it's true though. I was my mom was a single mom and she was out a lot, and Jackie's parents were working a lot. And yeah, and so we did lean on each other. And you know, you don't know, but Jackie and I are two different sizes. Jackie's super tiny, like skinny tiny, and I was not so skinny tiny, but we'd share each other's clothes, you know what I mean? Like we were skinny tiny back then. But I mean, I was like, not like you, like you were tiny tiny. And so, but we still squeezed into it. All I squeezed in Jackie's clothes, or she wore my big old clothes to wherever. Like, we were a support system for like each other for even just that. Like, we doubled our clothes supply when we became friends, because then you could borrow mine, I could borrow yours, like some of those things.

Jackie 7:52

I don't have any clothes for you to choose from, but you had way cute clothes. But yeah, but you did.

Jennifer 7:59

I mean, we that's that's what best friends do, right? They share each other's clothes, they go out. Like, I think what we found was a real, like, if we had to explain it in a word, I guess, is like you just found sort of like somebody who you felt comfortable in your circumstances didn't matter that it were our circumstances were similar. We didn't have a we didn't have to flip.

Jackie 8:22

We didn't feel judged. We knew that we kind of in the same thing.

Jennifer 8:26

Yeah.

Jackie 8:26

Even though we had friends that we knew, even some of our best friends our best friends that we have now, um, were their families were very uh family oriented.

Jennifer 8:37

Mm-hmm. And we didn't really have that.

Jackie 8:39

No, we didn't have that. We weren't going home and having the family dinners and all that type of stuff. We knew we were going home and nobody was gonna be home making family dinners. And we were luckily we saw our parents. Yeah, they would come in.

Jennifer 8:54

There was a whole we'd get all flustered, but Jackie's parents come home and be like, oh my god, mom dad or her, mom dad like and run around. Exactly. Jackie was in charge of everything over there. Like she kind of got the brunt of it because she was the oldest dot. She was the oldest child, so she was always in charge of her little brother. So they definitely have a different view of your childhood than you and I have a view of your childhood for sure. We've talked about that actually. Um but it was very like easy. And also you have you have to have a sense of adventure, right? That's part of it. Like, we can't, we couldn't have, we couldn't be friends if one of us was like, no, no, we're gonna get in trouble. No, we shouldn't do that. No, I don't know, you know, that's probably a bad idea. We didn't have any of that. We were like, oh yeah, for sure, we're doing that. Let's for sure like I'll, I'll whatever you want to do, we'll go do it. So we definitely had some of that going on too, which fed off each other. So anything you wanted to do, I was like, gang for it. Anything I wanted to do, you're a gang for it. So you meet somebody like that, you definitely could feel a different kind of connection because we are living in a world where we have somebody that's gonna just go with whatever flow we want to go with and do whatever it is we want to do. And we really back in those days, there was a lot of we weren't bad kids, but we were not model citizens.

Jackie 10:14

That's the way you're yeah, but we're still like um believe me, we're ASB kids, we were great kids at school. Like if you ask our teachers, we were good kids. We were up there. Right.

Jennifer 10:25

When we went to school, we spent a lot of time out of school.

Jackie 10:28

It doesn't matter. At at school, they still thought we were great students.

Jennifer 10:33

Yeah, but you gotta met we didn't go to school that much. If there was a reason to get off that school, teachers didn't care.

Jackie 10:39

As long as you had good grades and you didn't know what you're supposed to do, they did not care. I know.

Jennifer 10:44

That was a good place to be too. I wish kids today had a little more of a.

Jackie 10:48

I mean, my kids were surprised when they saw my report cards. I was A B's. I'm like, yeah, I as long as I showed up for the tests, did everything I was supposed to do, I was good.

Jennifer 10:57

I think mines were like B's and C's, probably. I don't think I ever got I don't know.

Jackie 11:00

I just really I was all A B's.

Jennifer 11:03

I didn't care that much about school. It wasn't like I did. Nobody had had made us think that we were gonna do anything special with it. So it wasn't like some big thing that I needed to get good grades. I was like, well, I'm just gonna work after I get done with school. So I never really paid much attention to my classwork. I didn't really care.

Jackie 11:21

Yeah, my grades are good. You have better grades than B Jack. Well, I had to have good grades. That was my big thing. That was my big thing. My parents always like to let me whatever you do. Yeah. And if I got in trouble, it was like, okay, I have good grades. You can't say anything. Jackie got in trouble. Trust me on that one.

Jennifer 11:40

Okay, Jack, do you even remember when we stopped being in each other's lives?

Jackie 11:44

Okay, here was a one thing that I have to say.

Jennifer 11:47

Go ahead.

Jackie 11:48

My thought was when we left our apartment, but then I thought more about it. And I think that's when I thought it was the emotional part of it. Does that make sense?

Jennifer 11:59

Leaving our apartment?

Jackie 12:01

Yep, leaving our apartment because it it's kind of where we left because we still did stuff together. You still got married after that, remember?

Jennifer 12:11

Right, right, yeah. That's when you're shortly thereafter.

Jackie 12:14

Yeah. And then it's so weird because just thinking back when I was just going through all this. Um, in my head, for the longest time, that's when I thought, like, all of a sudden we were done. And I'm like, no. Then she got married, and then she was with and she had Drew after that. And I'm like, so no, that wasn't right. I think through my head, it was just because I was moving on with my ex, but you didn't want me to. And so through my head, we weren't as close anymore. Yeah. So I was like, I knew we were moving on separate ways. So in my head, I knew we were not together anymore. Does that make sense?

Jennifer 12:51

Yeah. It makes sense. I think that what happened was is that I was.

Jackie 12:57

I knew we were moving on.

Jennifer 12:58

Yeah. I moved on to like y'all moved on to Arizona. I got married and moved off to Arizona. So I was in a different state.

Jackie 13:05

And I was still talking to you off and on.

Jennifer 13:07

Off and on. Yeah. But she had moved on with the boyfriend that I had didn't wasn't particularly fond of. And so there wasn't an wasn't enough connection there to stay connected because I wasn't going to be in this city with you or state with you. At that point, we all thought I was just going to live in Arizona the rest of my life. I had uh more kids. You weren't having kids yet. So that was always going to be a little bit of a pull between us because I was in a different state of life, meaning I was raising kids, right? You weren't. And then really for me to come see you or to spend time with you was to also spend time with, at least in that general area, with the other person that I wasn't really, yeah, that I wasn't really fond of. So, you know, it happens, y'all. It happens.

Jackie 13:53

I had to think about that deep. Yeah. You can and it was hard, but I knew we still we still hung out with each other and it was hard. Yeah. But it was just like that's the point that I think we changed.

Jennifer 14:05

Right.

Jackie 14:05

It changed at that point when we left that apartment because when we moved in together, that was a big thing.

Jennifer 14:11

It was, yeah.

Jackie 14:12

And then when we moved out of it, it changed a lot. Right.

Jennifer 14:16

Well, we weren't around each other. Like before we were we lived with each other, right? And then we weren't with each other. You were in your spot.

Jackie 14:23

Because I remember looking at pictures and stuff too, and moving. I we even have pictures of when we were moving out. And I think it made me cry when we were moving out, looking at those pictures.

Jennifer 14:31

Yeah.

Jackie 14:32

Because I think it changed our relationship.

Jennifer 14:34

Yeah.

Jackie 14:35

Yeah.

Jennifer 14:35

We have another we have another friend that we're still friends with. She was one of our roommates too. And probably the same. You know, she moved. I don't even know where I moved. I must have moved back with my mom for a while, and maybe I moved off. I know I had my own apartment at some point um closer to work. But yeah.

Jackie 14:49

I moved with my grandparents, remember?

Jennifer 14:51

Well, that's right in Orange County because you were working at that store down there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I mean, it happened, y'all. You can be very connected. You can have a really tight friendship, and things can come between you, and you can lose that friendship. And this is why we're talking about this, because we are not only are we best friends, we have a really great story of reconciliation of best friends. So we're we were best friends, we were not friends for a while, and then we were back to being really good friends. And so this journey that we're taking you on is a little more in-depth about that, because we know that there are a lot of people out there that have lost connection with their best friends or they have lost connection. And so we want to be just sort of a like a beacon of hope that maybe that at some point you can return to each other because no matter what, the love is still there. And we'd see each other. Jack and I would see each other sometimes in between there when we were.

Jackie 15:49

Oh, because I had your bachelorette party, remember? At that point, you were definitely on my wedding. We're still trying to like, yeah, like communicate, but it just it just changed. It was a just a different it's like we still loved each other, but it's just like we knew it just wasn't gonna be the same at that point. I think I knew if I stayed with that person, it wasn't gonna be the same.

Jennifer 16:10

Yeah. Yeah. But I was leaving too. I was off into another world.

Jackie 16:16

So but I like the husband you were marrying.

Jennifer 16:19

Right.

Jackie 16:19

But it was the fact that the person I was with was gonna change everything.

Jennifer 16:23

You know what? I was thinking about that while we're on this topic, and y'all can come down this journey with us, but like, did they ever meet? Do you ever remember those two meeting and hanging out?

Jackie 16:32

At your wedding. At your wedding. That's it. That's the only time that they ever met. But remember my husband at that time came up, came late to your wedding. But did he remember?

Jennifer 16:43

Yeah.

Jackie 16:44

He showed up late.

Jennifer 16:45

Did he really? Oh my gosh.

Jackie 16:47

I was in your wedding, he showed up late and came to it. Yeah.

Jennifer 16:51

Did he was he in the did he did he go to the actual wedding? Did he see that or did he just come to the reception?

Jackie 16:56

No, he came to the reception. He wasn't at the wedding, he came to the reception.

Jennifer 17:00

Yeah. Nope. Jackie was my best mate, my maid of honor, y'all. So it was a pretty big deal that he could see her, you know, in that role. But anyways.

Jackie 17:09

Of course he didn't want to.

Jennifer 17:10

Of course he didn't. He didn't like me. And that's okay.

Jackie 17:12

I'll say this one. So did it feel like a loss to you at the time? And you know what? Not at first. And you know why? Why? Because I was working out working a lot and moving and trying to figure out where I was going and doing. That's what I was doing.

Jennifer 17:26

But it just changed. It was just a change of I was in a whole nother state.

Jackie 17:30

Like I said, we were moving out of the apartment, but then looking back at the pictures is when it hit me. And I was just like, this is all changing. Like we just everything is different. Like that's what hit me was looking. People don't realize, but I was worked for a photo studio or uh. So I took pictures of everything. So back going through pictures is what always hit me on everything. Right. I would take pictures and when I would go back to my albums, and all of a sudden I'm like, oh my God, why didn't I see this? How did I see this going on?

Jennifer 18:03

Right.

Jackie 18:03

And that's what would hit me. And I still go through pictures and see it. And I'm just like, oh my gosh.

Jennifer 18:09

Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the beautiful thing about at least, you know, a lot of the things that we did have is that Jackie has it all recorded.

Jackie 18:16

Meaning, well, right now, like my my son just had a baby and I just gave him videos of things from him growing up because of his baby. And so I have everything from the day he was born. Actually, when I was pregnant with him, till the when he was born, till he was probably actually till he was probably like gosh, probably ten years old. And he was just like, Oh mom, mom, this is wonderful. And he's like, I would love to do this. I need to get a video camera. I need to do this for my son. Yeah. Well, I have the one of the video cameras and I have everything for it. I put it together, made sure it works, bought an AB like a different cords that I didn't have because they I lost them at one point, put together. They are now videotaping my grandbaby who is uh uh two almost two months old.

Jennifer 19:03

That's awesome. So that they have videos of that.

Jackie 19:05

Yeah, because now they want to do the same thing.

Jennifer 19:07

Yeah, I think kids get more interested in the way they looked and the way they were as babies when they have one, right? Like they're just like, Oh, look at your baby, and they're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they're like, Let me see my baby pictures. I want to see if my son, because my son just had a baby too, like, let me see if I look like him, and you're like, Oh, now you're interested in all these things I've kept. Because you know, we do that. Yep, mothers do that. So that's awesome.

Jackie 19:26

That's my my sister, my or the my daughter-in-law had doesn't have that from growing up. So she's like, I want to do the same thing. So, like, she's so excited. She's like, I cannot wait to give this to my son when he gets older. I can't believe you have all these tapes of you know, yeah my son growing up. And I'm like, Yeah, that's what I did.

Jennifer 19:46

Yeah, that is what you did. That was your actual career, to be honest with you. They were into that. So, anyway, so we want to just make sure that, you know, you we we reiterate the idea that we were friends, we were not friends, and you lose connection with some people, but we want to be a beacon of hope for you because we can return to something. Um, and you know, the hardest part wasn't losing, it's just that you remember like the thing I remember about that, Jack, is that I have all these stories. We have all these stories, we have all these stories. When you don't have the other person to talk about, like, hey Jack, remember when we went up them hill in nine minutes and we were telling everybody blah, blah, blah. Nobody cares except you. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you lose some of that ability to remember those things, and sometimes you forget them altogether because you don't have anybody to talk to them about them to kind of keep those little things alive. So losing a friend is a rough business, y'all. It it it hurts. Whether you admit it or don't admit it, and whether life had changed or not changed, at some point you're gonna come back to life and it it you're gonna feel the loss. And I think we definitely went through that. We'll talk about it later in a different episode. But you get to a point where you're like, wait a minute, that connection was more special than I gave credit for it to be. And I'm I missed that connection. Anyways, Jack, let's do the besty rapid question. You want to go first?

Jackie 21:02

Okay. When we stopped talking, did you feel it right away or later?

Jennifer 21:05

Um, probably later, like you said. We evolved, we moved on. That, you know, it wasn't like I said later. Because we didn't have a blow up. And I think if we had a blow up and a I hate you, I hate you, and a real defining moment of ending, it would have been more traumatic, but we didn't. We just sort of faded out. Is that a good word? Faded out. Yeah. That's the friendship faded out. Okay. Did you ever think about reaching out but didn't, John?

Jackie 21:31

Yes.

Jennifer 21:32

Yeah. I would think so.

Jackie 21:33

We didn't know how, lost touch somewhat, and also still with my ex.

Jennifer 21:38

Right.

Jackie 21:38

Wasn't a no point to it. It's too hard. Yeah.

Jennifer 21:41

It was just no point too hard. Yeah. But I think that too. I think that, like we say, a good friend is not they're not easy to come by and they're not easy to grow. And, you know, when you have a loss, you lose. I'm sure that, you know, there's probably times that I thought about reaching out to, but you know, it it was a different time. Too. It wasn't like so-and-so has your numbers, you know what I mean? Like we weren't connected that way either. Our friends weren't the same, and we couldn't be like, Hey, do you have Jackie's number? Because they didn't have your number either. So you can lose contact with somebody pretty quickly. And then we didn't have internet at all. When like I get on there and find Jackie on the Facebook and go, Hey, how are you doing? We didn't have that either. So was harder for us. Okay, go ahead, Jack.

Jackie 22:23

What memory of us still sticks with you most?

Jennifer 22:25

I think just being free. You know, I had a baby at a pretty young age. And there was a time right before that that we were just hellyons. Running in amok, you know, hair or hair flying out of the car, like windows down, just screaming, scening, and just being completely authentically who we were in such a meaningful and joyful way that that was.

Jackie 22:51

I was talking about everything. Yeah. Totally. And like being able to, it didn't matter what it was. We talked about everything. Everything. Yeah.

Jennifer 23:00

Yeah.

Jackie 23:01

Like and no judgment. It didn't matter what it was. No judgment.

Jennifer 23:04

That was the nicest.

Jackie 23:05

I just remember we could talk till three o'clock in the freaking morning, then finally being like, we gotta go sleep. Remember? We just got to go. We could get everything out. Like I've never been able to talk to anybody that much.

Jennifer 23:21

Yeah. And just like feel comfortable. You know, we're not no judging there. That we can't go back to that idea is that we kind of grew up the same. So we was not judging. So that's a beautiful thing to have with somebody, right? So for sure. Yeah, mine's mine's being free. Mine's really just being free and and Which is kind of the same thing. Kind of the same thing. Like just being authentic about who you are. Okay. Did it ever hit you that there was no one left to share those memories with ever, Jack?

Jackie 23:47

Yes.

Jennifer 23:48

Yeah.

Jackie 23:49

When I would go through my albums, I had to pack them away and step looking stop looking at them. Yeah. Stop looking at them.

Jennifer 23:59

Because it's like, oh I'll never and that's a s that's a that I wanna I just want to touch on that. That's a hard part of friendship to let go of because when you have so many memories with one human and you can't talk to that human and you can't relive those memories, then it can be very painful. So you have tucked some way. If you lost some friends, you've tucked some memories away and and hopefully if we can inspire some people to make reconnections with people that don't forget them forever. They'll come back. They'll come back and you'll enjoy talking about them again. We're proof of that, right, Jack? We can talk about those things now. Okay, did you ever tell yourself it didn't matter when it actually did? Yeah. Yep. I don't care. Who cares? Whatever she's doing is fine. Like, I don't care. Like, you care. You care. We'd see each other. We'd see each other, and we were like not really being friends, and then we'd be in a meeting, there'd be a bunch of people from high school talking, and Jackie'd be like, Oh, Jack, do you remember that time? Like, and you'd be like, Oh yeah, you know, like it was like we'd for a moment we'd forget that we weren't really talking to each other, and we'd have a really good, funny laugh about it, and we'd be like, Yeah, that was so fun. Do you remember that? So yeah, yeah. We it mattered more than we thought it'd be.

Jackie 25:04

And and people would know around you, they're just like, Oh, there it's such denial.

Jennifer 25:08

I know, right? You guys should be friends again. You're like, oh no, no, we're not gonna be friends again. Yeah, you should.

Jackie 25:14

I don't think we ever said that. I don't think everybody ever thought that we wouldn't be. I don't think so. What part of her friendship did you miss the most, but never said out loud? I say needing your support and you telling me I was too good to be treated bad by all the people who treated me bad. Right. Someone just you were always really good with making me feel like I was better than I was.

Jennifer 25:36

You were better than you thought you were because you were Jack. That was a word. You've always said that. Yeah. I'm a I'm a lot that way in friendship. Like, screw them. We're not like I will definitely make you we're not putting up with that shit. But that's the same. I think part of that friendship, you know, that you get from somebody is that is a connection. You don't get them with everybody, you don't have it with, and maybe we didn't know that either, right? At that time, like, oh well, we were really close, but we'll be close with other people. Other people will come and we'll be super close like that. It's like it's time evolves. You kind of figure out, well, you don't always get those connections with people. Like, you don't have a soul connection with every person you meet. So when you do have it, like we did or do, you kind of now looking back, you're like, man, those don't come around very often. Like, what a blessing that we even found each other and that we had that time together because you know, not everybody gets it. So I I will always say that I would miss that, that the connection between us was supercharged, and I always would miss that connection of just having somebody that I was that close to. So okay. Did losing our friendship change how you showed up in other friendships, Jack? Yes. Yeah.

Jackie 26:49

I was very careful and I didn't really do it. No, no one under I never felt that anyone understanded me or I didn't go deep. Right. Because you're afraid of being judged or not what I'm saying. And I also had a a husband at one point that I just knew that no one understood him like you did. Or I just they would all stay away from him too. They didn't like him. So you would at least come and just be like, fuck you. And sorry, sorry, everybody. Bleep, bleep, bleep. Yeah. I mean, I did have one girlfriend. She passed away. She was the only one that would also pretty be like, fuck him. But good.

Jennifer 27:27

And you know what? We've talked about her before. Yeah, we know who she is. That's Kathy, yes. She's always like still like him. Kathy, you go, you did that. And and I'm glad because it's people should show up for you like that, right? People should be like, Are you sure about this one? I don't know. This one seems like he might not be the best option for you. But you know. You got outruled. I got outruled. Okay, be honest. Oh, go ahead. You're I think it's your choice.

Jackie 27:49

Okay, be honest. Did you ever think we were just done forever?

Jennifer 27:54

Nope. No, I don't think so. I think that love never dies. I think it can always be rekindled.

Jackie 28:00

I said not when I would see her. I always thought it would come back.

Jennifer 28:06

Yeah. I think that we said that too. Like it's a connection. It's just you either have it or you don't. That's all I can tell you. Like if you have it, you have it. If you don't, you don't. You know, if you're connected, you're connected for life. It's not it's a love story. I've said that before. Best friendships are a love story on their own. Because they they take a different, they don't they're not the same love story, but they're a love story. And when you love somebody, you love somebody. And I truly believe that. So anyways, we didn't lose each other. We lost the person who remembered us. And at the time we told ourselves it didn't matter, but it did. So we're here talking about it. We hope we can help some of you with this. So anyways, okay, if this episode hit you in the fills or made you laugh way too hard, we consider that a win.

Jackie 28:48

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Jackie 28:56

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Song 29:13

We stick together ride or die to the moon, and no amount of space could ever come between us two. The reuniting's like we never been apart, and every single time we're add an iron heart to heart. Loyalty.