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The Week in Wine Episode 37 - Free Trade

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When did supermarket wine labels start featuring their flavor profile prominently on their labels? Is the US three-tier wine distribution system unconstitutional? Recent rulings on Ohio may bring this question to the fore. Don't shoot the messenger? A piece on the right-wing press defending wine drinkers should not be dismissed because of the messenger. Meanwhile, our top 10 Most-Wanted Burgundy wines list does not hit the same spots as previous such articles.

In the most-recent wine news roundup, Hungary is decimated by frost; Argentina halts funding for its Coviar national wine body (NB: Coviar has not been shut down, merely it's main line of funding has been stopped); Rioja sales are down; Chile sees 110 percent increase in wine exports to Russia; and Russia remains the pre-eminent destination for Georgian wines, despite the lack of diplomatic relations between the two countries since 2008.

We also look forwards to news from Champagne, more from the US Supreme Court and Wine-Searcher gets a new owner.

SPEAKER_00

Welcome to the Wine Searcher Week in Wine News podcast, where we look at the latest headlines and top stories in the world of wine. For more on all of our stories, go to winehightensearcher.com.

SPEAKER_01

Good morning, John. Good morning, Ollie. How are you? I'm very good. How are you? Oh, pretty good, pretty good. Nice weekend, you know, so um all rearing to go on a Monday morning.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah, absolutely. Here we go. We're off.

SPEAKER_01

Did you have anything nice to drink at the weekend? Uh well, I didn't really have anything spectacular. I just I had quite a quiet weekend myself. But I did notice I went out to buy some wine for somebody, and I noticed the strangest thing. I'm not sure you've noticed this, but have you ever seen how many wine labels now carry their flavour on their front label? No, I know I know a few of them.

SPEAKER_03

No, I've not done that.

SPEAKER_01

I've not big buttery, there's buttery chardonnays, there's you know fat bastards, and there's um literally, there's a California wine called Fat Bastards. There's you know, so that they're talking about how fat they are and how rich and round they are, how buttery they are. I've seen sort of fruit burst things on the front. I even found one uh utterly bizarre one called cherry cream, which to me sounds like a kind of a possibly an oak aged cherry brandy or something. But it's um the fruit? Well, no, it wasn't. It was a it was a Californian Cabernet. Now I'm not sure about you, I'm not sure about our our our listener out there. Good morning to our listener. Um but cherry and cream are not flavor characteristics that I associate with Cabernet Sauvignon.

SPEAKER_03

No, I would have gone rose for sure. I I isn't it quite dangerous to do that. I given how often you try to do taste descriptors for people, and people are like, Yeah, no, I don't taste that. Or people tell you they taste something, like I don't know, jalapeno peppers or whatever, and you're like, Yeah, okay, sure. I mean, if you get it, well, I don't. Also it's a bit sort of fraught with danger trying to put what's what it tastes like on the label.

SPEAKER_01

I I would think so too, and also the fact that none of them actually taste like this. I mean, I try I mean, they don't. I mean, honestly, I've had Chardonnays that promised to be big and buttery, and they weren't. They were awful, they were margarine at best. Yes, they were, you know, they were they were absolutely terrible. I mean, I wonder sometimes about the um the the the enthusiasm of marketing departments with this type of thing, trying to dumb it down so much that they're just saying instead of just saying Chardonnay on the front, it's saying here's what it is, it's it's buttery Chardonnay. Yeah, I mean it's this is wine for idiots, surely.

SPEAKER_03

I guess torses for courses maybe. Uh there's certainly marketing departments will have cut cotton onto it. Uh, how long term it'll good it'll be for a brand, you know what I mean? If you if you're true, if you're associated with uh if you associate your wines with the flavor descriptors, are you just sort of it i eradicating your own brand?

SPEAKER_01

Well, you are really, and and anybody who's claiming that their wine tastes like jam is in the wrong business. They really are, except possibly with me, because I do I love jam and I do love a big jazz of red uh jammy red wine, but you know, but it's yeah, it just doesn't work. And I I don't know, I mean the supermarkets love it so because it's easier for them, it's it does their job for them of getting descriptors to the flavours. Yeah, but anyway, um I long for some green apple wriesling now and specifically Granny Smith, such as life. But yeah, that was my not really my drinking of the weekend, but my what I noticed when I went out to buy some on the weekend.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Uh should we move on? Um I didn't have anything to drink at this this weekend. I was competing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

No, no, no, no. I was competing. I had a central regional championships for fencing, which I was oh yes. Danny Wellington.

SPEAKER_01

Got a gold, even did you?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

How many meters of fence do you have to put up to uh to qualify for that? I kid I kid you, I kid, I must I must assure our listeners that I am I'm joking. Um I'm well aware of what fencing involves, and I'm very careful to be very complimentary to Ollie whenever he reminds me that he's expert with a sword.

SPEAKER_03

I I feel that your your words on fencing are somewhat different when they're being recorded to when we're in person.

SPEAKER_01

Very much, very much like my comments on uh natural wine, perhaps.

SPEAKER_03

IRL. Right, shall we move on?

SPEAKER_01

Go on then. Let's let's let's talk about news for a change.

SPEAKER_03

Well, what were the top most read stories of last week, Don?

SPEAKER_01

Well well, the most read story of last week, quite clearly, was wine claims another court victory.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01

This is the story about the interminable wrangling in the United States court system around, I suppose the more broadly the three-tier system, but um specifically interstate wine shipping. Right. Now a court case in Ohio has basically said that the three-tier system may not entirely be constitutional. Oh, okay. And it might be it might be something that ends up before the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court will then have to decide whether or not the idea of the three-tier system is constitutional and whether it outweighs the impact on commerce as per you know, because it clashes with the commerce clause, which says you you need really, really good reason to stop people selling things to each other.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Now, whether that you know whether that's health reasons, whether it's you know, whatever, but it's it's an it's a really interesting contest, this. It'll be a big tussle because to be honest, uh the United States authorities are not particularly fond of liquor generally, and not even wine specifically. But uh the entire ethos of American society is based around free commerce. It is the most commercially rapacious society I can think of, the most irredeemably capitalist of societies. And so anything that endangers the freedom of commerce, freedom of trade, may well be deemed to outweigh the health or public order aspects of selling booze. Right. So anyway, it's a really it's a really interesting story, this, because the decision by the judge has uh has basically found that Ohio doesn't actually maintain a three-tier system, in which case it it can't stop out-of-state producers from shipping their wine there. Because if there is no in effect, if there is no three-tier system in in the state, then there's nothing to prevent it. Right. Um, and so then, yeah, so it's it seems to go on from here. Fast thing.

SPEAKER_03

So that was our that was our top red story, not the most wanted red burgundies of 2026. I that was that my money was on that one.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, no, no, no, no. That was quite a way down the field, to be honest.

SPEAKER_03

Um was it just because it was a list of Romney Gante and when we got Armand Rousseau? It was effectively Armor Rousseau chucked in here and there.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, I was I was yeah, I felt I felt very bad for Course Jury, but um uh the next but the next most read one was again, it was to do with uh wine in the US, and it was the right rights to wine's defense, yeah, which is basically this is another front that wine is battling on the health front, and it was a story that pointed out that while the more left-leaning media outlets seem to roll over on their backs for supranational organizations like the UN and WHO, and WHO specifically has taken a real downer on drinking. It's the the more right-wing outlets who are not just defending wine but defending the the the individual right to drink wine unmolested. And it's based around a story in the UK um newspaper, the Daily Mail, um, which will automatically raise uh alarm bells with a few people, I should think. Um because well mostly because people still think of it as you know the daily heil as as it used to be known because of its that's that's not because it's particularly right wing, it's it's although it is, uh that's that name is given to it quite fairly, I think, for its support of Hitler in the lead up to World War II. So people the problem is and the story is about really people shooting the messenger rather than actually listening to the message. Because simply because this story appeared in the Daily Mail, lots of people will feel uh perfectly free to dismiss it out of hand without any examination of it whatsoever. And um and it's about the dangers of doing that. Um, because we shouldn't really be necessarily just dismissing things because of the platform which brings them to our attention. Um, in this case, most of the um research in the actual story quoted is done by somebody who's not related to the Daily Mail at all. It's just the Daily Mail with the people who felt free to report on it. Anyway, yeah, that was our next one. Um after that, it's Beyonce and Jay-Z still.

SPEAKER_03

Oh nice. Okay, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Still up there. And then um it's a few Bordeaux stories, it's three Bordeaux stories basically.

SPEAKER_03

Right. So this would be Bordeaux en primeur, right? Or are we still it is, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, yes, it's the Ray of Sunshine in the Gloom story from previous week. Um Shades of Grav and White, right, and The Left Bank Love Affair, which are the the latter two are tasting stories from those regions, so Grav and White Bordeaux, and uh Left Bank Reds, you know. So that's uh they're um by David Allen, of course, our erstwhile wine director, who's um over there covering it on the ground for us. Now, also we did the most wanted red burgundies did slip in there, by the way, into the top ten. But there is one story that I think deserves special mention. It didn't get a huge number of views, but it did somehow dive into our top ten. Um and that is a story that is three years old now. What? One of yours and it's about a Belgian gold, a Belgian wine winning a gold medal in France.

SPEAKER_03

Ah, interesting. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And now this is the store. This is a it's a it's a it's uh this was a weekly roundup story. Yes, but it was about a 2 euro 50 bottle of Belgian wine that was entered into a a wine competition by a radio station, and um it won a gold medal in France. Yeah, so I mean I'm I'm just looking at the other stories in that same roundup, and I I can't see anything else that it can be other than that. Yes, that's the story that people are looking at.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, that actually answers a couple of that's that's interesting. That tallies with what I saw last week while I was researching this week's news or the last week's news, should I say, and I get I or maybe it was just on my on Instagram. Anyway, it would it I'd certainly seen that story come up. And I thought, oh, that's interesting, I vaguely remember that. They're like, oh yeah, you know this. Because basically what they did was they took this bog standard supermarket wine, worth however much it was, like two euros fifty or something, uh, gave it a label, put it in a glass bottle, gave it the label, put a decent person's name on it, like a well-known person's name on it, gave it a fully a full backstory, like did analysis on the whole bottle, brand image, and all of this, a brand story, and so on, and then submitted it to this competition. And although I think it ended up getting 89 points or something like that, but it got a gold medal. Yeah, yeah. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01

It is interesting. It's it's just bizarre that it should crop up again. It's it's almost exactly two years old. Right. Oh, sorry, three years, three years old.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I wonder if people have I wonder if it's an AI thing, or I wonder if people have been searching like if they type into Google, you know, give me answers about this thing that I've seen recently on on Instagram or something. You know, I've just seen it's possible. Yeah, but AI is returning that as a search.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it's it's caused enough interest for it to break into our top ten stories of the week. How about that? Well, how about that indeed? Yeah, so right. So let's um let's have a chat about this week's news roundup. Because once again, um, you know, well, there was some good news in last week's one, but you know, the possibility of Beyonce and Jay-Z possibly buying a winery in Bordeaux.

SPEAKER_03

If you read some comments, that's not if you read some of the comments on on other social media sites, not not everyone's overjoyed at the prospect, but we'll move on to that.

SPEAKER_01

Well, some people are very hard to please, aren't they? Um however, it seems to be that there's we're back to the bad news, really, aren't we?

SPEAKER_03

It does a bit. Poor old Hungary. Um major frost event last week in Hungarian Great Plains. And we've you know, it looks like it's a big event. Like it they reckon what nearly 80% of more than 23,000 hectares of vineyards have suffered 100% spring frost damage, and that's according to uh Hungarian uh agricultural news website Agrara Gazette, I think is that's how you pronounce it. Hungary. If it is anyone from Hungary, if our list if our listeners find themselves in Hungary this this week, maybe um they could get in touch. Anyway, yeah, so it's Kunsag and Hayosbaja regions. Hyosbaja, I don't know. Sorry, I'm terribly I'm actually hatch up that pronunciation. Um, but anyway, those are the main areas affected. It looks pretty bad. You can never really tell, but uh, I mean, certainly from the tone of the reporting, it doesn't look good. Central Hungary. Looks like uh Tokai has been spared. Small Mercies and all that. Small Mercies, but yeah, that was a big one.

SPEAKER_01

The initial can I just can I just point out about that though? I mean, this is I mean, this is bad, okay? But people are probably wondering why we're really caring that much about Hungary because it doesn't produce vast amount of wine in the international stage. But the problem is they've just been hit with massive vine disease as well, haven't they?

SPEAKER_03

Yes, yeah, yeah. So that that was something that we covered, I think, was about six months ago, maybe no, maybe more actually. Maybe time is getting on, Don. Nine months, possibly even a year ago, that um that it came out that I think it was it, uh, there was a vine disease and had sort of swept through the region. And yeah, there was very little details on it. I I we'll see, we'll see what happens here, but it's definitely not looking good for the Hungarian wine industry.

SPEAKER_01

Well, they've just they've effectively forsaken this year's harvest, haven't they?

SPEAKER_03

They have it looks like they have in the Central Plains, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. So not good there. The next story was that the Argentinian government had announced this week that it would end all mandatory wine payments to the Covia National Wine Body. So this is part of uh and this is an interesting one because okay, you kind of need to know a little bit about how wine regions work, and it's a little bit trady, this one. So apologies if if you are a listener that's not quite a fait with what goes on sort of behind the scenes in wine regions. Basically, what happens is, and this is sort of perennial across all wine regions across the world, is that basically your region says we want to go out and promote our wines internationally. And the best way of doing this is for us to club together, put some money in a pot in a pot, and we will take the wines on the road, and we I don't know, we'll we'll choose a market, maybe say it's the UK, and we'll host a tasting over in the UK, it will cost X, blah blah blah. And the way they do this is basically you have um financial contributions from each winery, depending on their size, goes into this pot of gold, and then you know they they use that money to promote the wine region. Uh it's a it's and who gets resent represented and how much money they'd spend and how much of a burden this money is, is a continual gripe. I think it globally. You hear most about it in France. The biggest one is Longedoc, where there's always like competing um bodies within the Longedoc Wine Trade Association, which said, Oh, you know, well, these big um companies and players, they pay so much, we never get representation, we're a tiny little domain. This is all part of that broader thing. And what the Argentinian government said is that back in 2004, they said we're gonna set up a 16-year program where we're gonna push uh Argentinian wines internationally, we're gonna invest in RD, we're gonna do all these things. It's gonna be called the PEVI, which is the strategic Argentinian wine growing plan. And as part of that, we're gonna establish the National Argentinian wine corporation or COVID, as it's known. And that those two will work together. Coviar will implement um what PEVI is setting us up to do, and everybody has to pay. Um, yeah, I mean, you it's pretty standard maneuver. In France, I think they call it in one wonderful terminology. I think it's called obligatory voluntary contributions. These are the Argentina's um minister for deregulation, Frederico Sturznegger, said, you know, this was a business chamber that was financed by a mandatory tax collected by the state. Uh uh, other sort of private, more private, should we say, associations like Bodegas de Argentina or Bodegas de Argentina were against this, you know, they're like, we don't, you know, we shouldn't, people shouldn't be paying money. But you the cynical among you say you should pay money should be paying money to us, you know, come and join Bodegas de Argentina. Anyway, they've shut down the whole PEVI covar thing. So uh that's been shut down. And it's unusual for unusually for what's going on in Argentina, it's one of those moves that doesn't seem to have generated much pushback from the industry. It seems to be a relatively popular move. I mean, popular is a term I use advisedly. But the only people I've seen complaining about this are the people, the members of Cove R themselves, which you're kind of like, well, that sort of makes sense. But from what I can tell, from what I've read, it doesn't seem to have riled anyone else up that much. So, you know, it's maybe one form of deregulation which has actually been received, positively received in the Argentinian wine industry. Unlike I think the uh then major deregulation of um traceability and you know things like that will be covered, that will be covered last year.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, we did, we did. Yeah, moving on, more about yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Moving on, Rioca's sales drop. This is basically the long and short of it is that as I quoted, if we take 2017 as a reference, 20% of Rioca's wine market has gone. Wow, I think they've lost 20% of their wine market. Uh I think in the first quarter, there's a lot of this. I think the last couple of weeks there's been a lot of first quarter reports coming out. So there's lots of export stats being chucked left, right, and center. But Hoven wines were down 8%, Creantha down 9.3%, Reserva down 23%, and Grand Reserve, although it's quite small, was down 35%. Uh that was so I think that was across both domestic and international markets.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, but yeah, that's that was an interesting one. But yeah, so not things not looking good in Rioca. Uh in uh curate segments one, Chilean wine exports to Russia surge. I think we covered this before, but Chilean wine exports to the Russian Federation surged by 112% in the first quarter of the year. Despite sales down.

SPEAKER_01

That's gonna keep um Chilean producers happy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03

Well, yeah. I mean it's sort of like uh but what do you say? You're like okay, yeah? Is Russia go is Russia okay now?

SPEAKER_01

Well, I don't know. It certainly seems to have disinfected itself somewhat in the past couple of years, hasn't it? Um despite the fact that it's still bombing the shit out of civilians in um Ukraine. But um anyway, perhaps go on. Sorry, I was just gonna say perhaps the um um most recent, quite unexpected fall in relations may have may it may bring change. We don't know. I'll I'll I'll believe nothing until I see um that bombs have stopped falling, tanks have stopped rolling, and perhaps that everybody goes back to barracks.

SPEAKER_03

Be nice, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_01

Wouldn't it? Wouldn't it though?

SPEAKER_03

So as I said, this is despite major sales downturns to the likes of the US, China, Japan, and Holland. I mean the US market for wine has pretty much not died, but has certainly taken a nosedive for most countries that export wine. China, too, it seems. I haven't seen too many people report that they've had surging wine sales in China. I know Australia's jumped a bit, but I think that's off a quite a low base since the sort of trade spat they had. Anyway, you know, this as I said though, the the interesting thing about this was as I was reading this, it's the Chilean business website ANDA, which published these. I don't think it's their fault, I think it's actually the um the Chilean wines people, but they'd they'd obviously not dotted their I's and crossed their T's because they ended up putting the Mexican flag next to the word Russia, the Dutch flag next to Mexico, and the next top the word Holland was the Russian flag. So dearie me. They were in a bit of a rush to get the news out. Anyway. Moving on, uh more good news for Russia uh or of a Russian bent. Despite a lack of diplomatic relations between Georgia and Russia, right? So ties were severed between Georgia and Russia back in two thousand and eight, when the Russians basically invaded um sort of backing separatist uh breakaway. Republics and all these strangely, yeah, these internecine Caucasian conflicts. And Russia, though, and despite this, Russia remains the main destination of Georgian wines. It accounted for 62% of Georgia's wine exports. Well, which is quite something.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, that I mean, obviously, uh, it's a big market for wine, and Georgia produces excellent wine. So, I mean, you know, uh on the one hand, you'd say why wouldn't they? On the other hand, yes, if there are no diplomatic relations, but the lack of diplomatic relations between countries has never really been a bar to people selling their goods and services, has they? Yeah, people have this weird idea that when countries are at war, they're entirely closed off from each other and have nothing to do with each other. But it's not necessarily always the point, you know. I mean, that's it's yeah, it's it's it's hard to stop commerce. It is, yes, you know, so so maybe we're just hugely surprised.

SPEAKER_03

What was interesting though was the sort of footnotes there, which was that you know, after Russia, the two main markets for Georgian wine are Poland and the Ukraine, but tiny by comparison, yeah, relatively small. So you if you look at it, what is it? Georgia exported over um uh 11,000 tons of wine. Weirdly speaking, tons of wine sort of gives you a very sort of bulk wine thing, yeah. Worth 33 million dollars to Russia, whereas Poland is what 1,600 tons, yeah, 4 million, and Ukraine 900, 980, almost a thousand tons, two point seven million dollars. So, yeah, we're talking very different, we're talking factors of you know ten.

SPEAKER_01

Well, here is basically it's a phase accomplished that that Russia has always been and probably will always be the market for Georgian wines. I mean, you know, obviously, obviously Georgian wines are enjoying a moment farther afield in the Western wine.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, but I think I can call it that, but yeah, I think Georgian wines are probably there's there's probably two there's probably a two-speed thing happening there. The in the the certain Georgian wines are enjoying a massive increase in interest. Um certainly in the national in the natural wine community, but I think they represent quite a small portion of the bulk wine production in Georgia, which is probably what this is all about. So, but anyway, I thought it was quite interesting. That was my roundup for the week. There were a few other things that were knocking around. What did I read? There's more barrel stories, there's lots of woe coming out of the barrel industry. There's only so much you can learn about that. Um, but yeah, there's there's still quite a few stories coming out from H A, which is the the famous barrel leasing company. Lots of that coming through in France. Uh a big story that came out, I think, in the English press anyway, but which was which was marked was you know, that Canada's boycott of American alcohol has really hit US exports quite hard. So don't I suspect there'll be some news on that front uh over the next few weeks or months. I'd be surprised if that doesn't sort of get changed slightly.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, um this well still that's that's very true. I mean, and maybe sooner than we think too.

SPEAKER_03

Right, especially with the Supreme Court rulings and things happening as well. Maybe this we should entitle this one free trade. But and then the other one was also there's still stories in France coming out about they're trying to fix minimum pricing for wine buying. So and you see once again it's pitting the negos, which is large businesses generally that buy wines bulk and repackage and sell them again, you know, against the the plucky small growers trying to make a living from growing wines and you know. Yep. It's a sort of interminable um problem that rears its head.

SPEAKER_01

Certainly now it does, but it's not gonna stop raising its head either, is it?

SPEAKER_03

No, it's not, and that was that was still that was still lurking around. But yeah, other than that, not not much uh not much in the wine news this week, I thought. That was a little bit more there. What do we got for what do we got to look forward to this week, Don?

SPEAKER_01

Oh Lord, we're packed. Absolutely packed. Excellent. Um we have various stories. We've got a a fascinating story on champagne sales, which are once again down, but not as down as people might have feared. Oh, okay. So I I mean well, we'll be running that story today or tomorrow. Um but it's it's worth having a look at. It's a it's a case of it's um it's it's snakes and ladders, really. But there seems to be quite a few snakes, but um, but at least the ladders are quite long ones. What else have we got? We've also got something on uh as you say, the the uh tariff decision. Right. So the most recent ones, you know, the 10% tariff that went on in February, I think. Globally applied tariff. Turns out it's illegal, can't be done. So that's being struck down, as well as the ones that have already been struck down. So um, yeah, it's it's it's it's all getting a bit interesting, it's thickening up, and of course, there's the big news, which is that wine searcher has been sold. Yes, and we're announcing wine. We we do indeed, we're and we're announcing this today, but um, yeah, but I mean basically what's happened is we've been bought out by a uh subsidiary of Platon Sarrel, the Gouday Family Investment Company. Many people will be aware of Olivia Gouday, who's um major shareholder in Treasury wine estates, yeah, and was CEO of Anhooser Busch, the brewer. Um so yeah, yeah, it's a bit it's a bit old change. So um we're we're we're moving on and facing the future bravely and happily and confidently. And it's uh to personally I think it's great news because they're uh they're the perfect type of new owner. If you're gonna get bought out by somebody, it's always nice to be bought out by somebody who is interested in long-term growth rather than a quick in-out quick strip of the assets and then sell on later. You know, forever forever decreasing sums. Yeah, so yes, it's wonderful. It's uh I think it's a I also think it's a it's a big sign of confidence in us as a company, and yeah, I'm I'm personally I'm delighted about it, um, and professionally absolutely thrilled about it. I can't wait to um see what it means for us going forward. Excellent. Awesome. Yeah, well other than that, it's a busy week. There's some good news. There's great news indeed. Indeed. It's always nice to finish, nice to finish on a bright note, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03

Nice to finish on a high, right? Exactly. Exactly. All right, John. Have you have a great week, and we'll talk again next week.

SPEAKER_01

You too. Yep, we'll catch up next week. See you, mate. All right, bye.

SPEAKER_00

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