8 ~ Master Your Energy Master Your Life with Tanya Levy

There are some people who dedicate their lives to helping others return to themselves. Tanya Levy is one of them.

For more than three decades, Tanya has worked at the intersection of yoga, meditation, breathwork, intuitive healing, stress management, energy work, and transformation guiding people through overwhelm, uncertainty, grief, burnout, and life’s biggest transitions with compassion, wisdom, and deep practical insight.

A Certified Jay Shetty Life Coach, Shadow Yoga teacher, intuitive healer, retreat facilitator, and corporate wellbeing educator, Tanya’s work is grounded in helping people better understand and manage their energy in a world that constantly pulls us out of ourselves.

In this episode of Live Well, Leave Well, we explore what it truly means to “master your energy” - not as a luxury, but as an essential part of navigating modern life, grief, stress, change, and emotional overwhelm.

Together we speak about:
> How Tanya’s mothers death ultimately led her to this work 

>Breath and the nervous system,
>Energy and end-of-life care,
Psych-K,
>Transformation,
>The body’s wisdom,
and the practices that help steady us through life’s hardest moments.

This conversation is thoughtful, reflective, grounding, deeply human and filled with practical wisdom for anyone feeling overwhelmed, disconnected, burnt out, grieving, or searching for greater steadiness and meaning.

Tanya is also about to run her Master Your Energy, Master Your Life course in Melbourne -  a powerful immersive experience I’ve personally completed and highly recommend. Links are below

Enjoy

Links & Resources

🎟 Tickets + Course Information:
📅 30 & 31 May 2026
📍 GenHuntly, Victoria
🔗 https://events.humanitix.com/understanding-energy-management-q5lzmehk

🌐 Tanya Levy -  InPurpose
https://www.inpurpose.com.au

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

If you're the person who is dying, then you have to manage everybody else's grief around you sometimes as well, which is a lot.

SPEAKER_01 0:07

And it was one of those moments where mystery and humor and grief and life all collide. The whole gamut.

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Live well.

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Live well.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

Live well, leave well. A podcast about death, life, and everything in between. This is a space for real conversations about dying, grieving, and remembering, told by everyday people and the professionals who walk beside them. There are no true experts in death, only the wisdom that we gather as we live through love, loss, and letting go. Each episode, we explore what death can teach us about life, how grief shapes us, how ritual holds us, and how endings invite us to live more fully. We spend a lifetime learning how to live, yet almost never how to leave. So pull up a chair. Bring your stories, your truth, your questions, and your answers. Sharing what we know about death is one of the greatest gifts that we can offer the living. And preparing for our death, while that might just be one of the greatest acts of love that we can offer ourselves and those we leave behind. Tanya Levy stands out as a powerhouse and a pioneer, bringing over three decades of experience to the table with a holistic perspective that explores the intricate connections between the body, the mind, emotions, and spirit. Tanya's approach is truly transformative and empowering. Her mission is to help individuals shed limiting beliefs and behaviors, paving the way for clearly defined goals that lead to life brimming with purpose and joy. Tanya's guidance inspires people to break free from obstacles hindering their path to their best selves, equipping them with the tools to master their energy to tackle stress, overwhelm, and uncertainty head on. As a certified Jay Shetty life coach, shadow yoga teacher, and intuitive healer, Tanya's expertise spans a wide array of disciplines, allowing her to offer tailored coaching sessions that meet people exactly where they are at. She leads women's wellness retreats, provides nurturing spaces for growth and discovery, and brings her wisdom into the corporate space as both a keynote speaker and facilitator. Through all of this, she empowers people to embrace their true potential, fostering self-worth and confidence through healthy habits and mindful practices. But Tanya isn't just today's guest. She has also been my teacher, my mirror, and my chosen sister for nearly 30 years. When we first met, I was instantly drawn to her radiant cheeky energy. And not long after, I became a yoga student. Decades later, I still am. And over the years we've swapped roles again and again. She teaching me presence and practice, me teaching her about grief and death care. Always learning, always holding each other, always accountable. With salt and pepper, we're yin and yang. Tanya brings a light yoga meditation, compassionate stress management. And I bring the medicine of death care and grief work and ritual. And out of that timeless transitions, I love it. It's a collaboration born from our friendship and shared practice. And we're going to talk about that today. These guided journeys of breath and story and sound are our way of steadying people through grief and endings and timeless transformations. It's the alchemy of our lives poured into a shared offering. Hi, Tan. It feels so special to finally have you here in the guest chair after decades of being in each other's lives and on the mat together.

SPEAKER_04 4:35

I'm so excited. Thank you so much for having me on your podcast. And thank you for all the work you're doing in the death and dying space. It is so important and so needed. So a lot of gratitude to you.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

It's been a real journey watching each other grow into our purpose. And it's an honor, you know, to be here with you to discuss that today, how we the intersection of us.

SPEAKER_04 4:59

I know, and it is so important where we've come to together so far on this journey and where it's about to embark on. It's um I feel really privileged. So thank you.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Let's talk about your story. Everyone has a story. I think your story is absolutely amazing. The interesting thing about you and I is we've never been as comfortable to share our stories. We've just got on with our work. But as we've got older, we've both realized that people really resonate and uh connect to our stories. So let's talk about yours.

SPEAKER_04 5:35

Well, mine's a quite an interesting story because I was um brought up and all I wanted to do was really be one of those really bossy girl bitch bitches that sort of dominated in the corporate world. And really that was where I was heading. I was working at Coles Meyer and doing very well. Um, and one day this woman came up to me, somebody I didn't know, and she said to me, Tanya, and I said, Yes. And she said, Look, I've got something very strange to say. And I was kind of looking at my watch, saying, Hurry up, you know, you're taking up my time. And she said, My great aunt, who is a psychic, has a message for you. Now, let me put this into perspective. At that stage, I had no affiliation with spirituality. I did not like anything that represented meditation, yoga, feathers, or candles. It was like, keep that stuff away from me. So that when she said the word psychic, all these alarm bells went off in my head. I was like, oh my goodness. But what came out of my mouth was would take me to this woman. I wanted to meet this woman. She had a message for me. And she specified that the message was actually from my late mother. And my mum passed away when I was really young. So the next night I found myself going into the city to meet with this beautiful old nonna. And I knew who she was as straight as soon as I walked into the cafe, I could see her in the corner. And I went up to her and we sat down. Anyway, she proceeded to tell me all those times in my childhood where I'd sat down and really wanted my mum there. Wow. And had begged, Why aren't you here? I wish you were seeing this. She went through so many of these amazing memories and situations, and she said, Yes, your mum was there. And she described the situation. This complete stranger knew so much about me and my journey and my life. And I was just sitting there and my whole world was exploding in front of me. It was absolutely incredible. I was crying. I just could not believe what was happening, really. And so I just turned around to this woman and I said, if you can do it, so can I. So there started my journey. I started to learn meditation and healing with her. She recommended me to go and do all these different other healing modalities. I then went to learn colour therapy and Reiki and shamanism and so much more. I then got into yoga and started to be a yoga teacher and a meditation teacher. And so started my whole journey, which has continued to unfold in a beautiful way. And I've learned so many amazing lessons and skills and techniques along the way, which has all sort of brought me to where I am today.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

It's such an amazing story, and I just want the listeners to know that you actually lost your mum at around two years of age. Yeah, exactly. It's just such a young age. So your memories of your mother will be very limited. Very limited. Do you have a first, do you have a feeling? Do you have something?

SPEAKER_04 8:29

I don't have an actual visual memory. I only remember pictures that I've seen. But I remember her feeling. And since doing this work with this woman, where I was able to reconnect with my mum, I know she's around me all the time. She's always, she's like my guardian angel. She's always watching over me. Where I've found myself in some crazy situations over the years, I've always been able to get out. I always feel safe, secure, and supported because I feel she's around me. So it's a feeling that now I have inside of me, which is not going anywhere, and I carry it with me always.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

And tell me, how was the response of the family?

SPEAKER_04 9:06

Well, actually, the family didn't even know till a lot later. You know, it wasn't something I shared with any of them straight away because they not all of my family were so into the whole sort of spiritual evolution as I was.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

You weren't as well at the start. That's how you started. Yeah. Did you leave Coles Meyer? I did soon after. And well they have Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:27

What happened was is as this interior world that I was now nourishing was starting to really awaken inside of me, the want and the need for this corporate world and competition and financial, you know, success was really going, you know, and was becoming less important. So it got to a stage where I'd even think about work and I just felt sick. And I just felt that, you know, I'd already got to such a stage in my life that there was this whole other part of me I needed to explore. So I embarked on an overseas trip to Europe to go and find myself. But on the way there, I went to visit a friend in India in the Hill tribes, and I got stuck there and stayed there for two years, never made it to Europe. And this whole amazing series of uh meetings and learnings happened, which really unlocked this whole interior world that just became a real part of who I was moving forward.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

And you really deeply resonate with yoga and Ayveda and all that India has to offer. And it it seems so cliche, but it's just so true because that's why cliches exist. This is what happens. And teachers came, didn't they? They just dropped out of the sky. Yeah. You know, you were off to look for more nonnas.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

Yeah, exactly. Well, they always say when the student's ready, the teacher arrives. And that's really what's happened over my life that people have shown up at the right crossroads in life to give me that next um point of direction as to where I'm going. But it's, you know, yoga and Aureda really brought me into connect with the elements that surround us. You know, nature's always been a big part of my life, but it really bought that whole area alive in terms of how we can use uh nature to support us and to guide us and to really help us develop as people.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Absolutely. This blonde beauty traveling through India at that time by yourself is incredible.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

How old were you? Well, I wasn't always blonde when I was traveling. I went through stages where I dyed my hair purple and even went blue sometimes in the water over there. So, how old was I? I was 23 when I first started and I did go on my own. I didn't plan it that way, but that's how it ended up. And I loved it because it allowed me to meet the people that I needed to meet. It allowed me to tune into what was intuitively being guided to me as to where I should be and who I should hang out with. And there I made I forged all these really powerful friendships that really helped me to learn the things I needed to learn that still I use and support me today.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

It's still a very brave trip at such a young age, isn't it? Yeah. When you think about it and how you ended up such deep trust. Yeah. And so speaking of that, I would say that would be your earliest, that's your that's a strong calling, isn't it? To pack up and just go. Yeah. And then trust to be stuck there, to stay there and to go and have all of those experiences. Yeah. It's it's it's a strong calling. What how do you how do you can you explain that feeling?

SPEAKER_04 12:45

Well, the feeling is I've always had a strong belief in myself and my abilities. You know, I have a strong sense of confidence and self-belief. I do trust that I'm always going to be okay. I was brought up, funnily enough, in my dad's pharmacy on the streets in Fifth Royal Street. And we um grew up in a pharmacy and we were working with a lot of prostitutes and drug addicts and all sorts of people that lived on the streets. So we were really taught to meet people where they're at. We were taught patience and persistence, and it gave us this confidence to really navigate any situation as was required. So between using those skills and this deep sense of connection to my inner authority and to my intuition, I was able to really show up wherever I needed to be. And even in some cases, I sat found myself in some very challenging and scary situations. But there was an inner calm that came from me being centered and from and being grounded. I always just had to calm myself down, which I used my breathing to do that, and which was really great to anchor me into the here and now. And I just believed that I could navigate myself out of any situation, and I did, and I still continue to do that today.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

What an incredible opportunity to grow up. I mean, for those of you who don't know, Fitzroy straight back in the 80s was a little hot. It was colourful.

SPEAKER_04 14:15

Very colourful, really colourful. We had all sorts of interesting characters coming into the pharmacy.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

And Dad's pharmacy was the first pharmacy to introduce the methadone program. So you were exposed to it all. And what a great um training. A training ground, really. A peaceful warrior training ground. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:38

And it was. And I think the the thing it taught us the most was this sense of acceptance and non-judgment. Because everybody that stands in front of us today, they're human at the basic level, you know, and we do, we have these masks that we wear, we have these backgrounds and all these colourful, interesting stories that become who we are. But at the still at the core, we're all human and everybody deserves to be treated in such a way.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Yeah. And tell me, absolutely beautifully said, tell me how you came to shadow yoga.

SPEAKER_04 15:13

Wow, shadow yoga. So I, when I was traveling through India, I started to do lots of different types of yoga. Um, I learned I became a yoga teacher trainer in Rishikesh. I then went on to Canada to do quite a bit of different yoga training out on the islands in Canada. And then I returned home eventually, and I wanted to do more training here. And I actually started to work at Yoga Zone with Isabel Danko, and she was my first yoga teacher back here in Australia. And whilst I was going to all these Iyenga teacher trainings, it didn't really resonate. There was something about the style and the uh energy that was behind Iyenga yoga that didn't really resonate with me. And one day Isabel said to me, she said, Look, there's another teacher that's coming into town. His name's Shandor, and I think you're really going to get along with him. He's a cowboy, he's a bit of a yoga renegade, and I think it really aligns him a lot more with you and your whole energy. And I was like, Okay, that sounds good.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

So I had me at Cowboy.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

And he was. So I went along to my first workshop, and it was just so different, encompassed so much more about balancing elements. I loved his energy and the way he taught. And so I was hooked right from the beginning. And I then applied to do yoga teacher training with him. And a few days later, I was in Adelaide doing my first teacher training with him, and it's just been life-changing for me. I've been doing this since the mid um 1995, it was, I think. That was when I first started, and then started the teaching journey after that, which has just been really empowering. And I'm actually still going to do another teacher training retreat with him in Bali this year in December. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

It's it's an incredible journey and one that I've been so privileged to be a part of and so deeply grateful because it is life-changing. And it teaches you so much about your mind, body, and spirit, and of course your energy systems. Well, that's the whole thing.

SPEAKER_04 17:19

I find, you know, I practice pretty much most days, and it's really a reset. You know, it's resets my energy from the beginning of the day. It sets my energy up for the rest of the day. It allows me to calm my energy when I need to, to boost my energy when I need to, but it's grounding, it's centering, and I know how it's balancing all my elements and it connects me to my inner world. So it's super important for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Yeah. It's super important because when you do the work, you're able to help others do the work. And as Shandor always said, and there's so many things that he says over the years, and only so certain amounts of conversations that I can retain. Um unlike you, where you've really got to take in everything, I'm just sitting there trying to stay awake. Trying not to scream because I'm in one position and I'm in deep pain sitting. Uh, but one of the things that he he's always said is, I cannot teach you that which does not live in me.

SPEAKER_04 18:25

Exactly. Yeah. And I think that's really important. I sort of take that on a lot as a teacher myself of different modalities. And I always say to my students and my participants that anything I'm sharing with you is things that I have lived inside of me, things that I've tried and tested and that have worked for me, and I want to pass them on and share them and hopefully enrich the lives of others as well.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Yeah, you and you do, and you do it so well.

SPEAKER_04 18:53

And I think another really important point that you just touched on was how you were saying that when we're sitting in yoga, you know, there's pain in the body. And it's interesting because our emotions really sit inside the body. If they're not dealt with and expressed, then they do sit inside the body, which becomes really important for the end of life work that you're doing as well.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Yeah, well, it's, you know, you've received your calling a lot earlier than me. My calling came a lot later. But I had to do all of this practice. Everything that I have done with you over these um nearly 30 years has been critical and crucial for the work that I do at end of life. Because it again, and energetically, I'm allowed, I'm able to stay inside myself, know what is mine, and I've been able to also adapt, you know, and and also the work that you do. I mean, the pain, the physical pain. I remember you're like, it hides, it hides in the body. And you know, when I was doing Artikrunta, and I'm not going to tell everybody what we call it behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_04 20:01

Just for people listening, yes.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

And they can use their imagination of what I was screaming it out to be. Um, is when I was doing these backbends, which I hate, it's it's exposing the heart. So you're doing a back bend and you're opening the heart, but you're also getting parts of your back, the middle part of your back, and then you know, you would end up being just a mess later in the class that happens, things get stuck in the body. And I've been, you know, really exploring that with you over the years in all different things.

SPEAKER_04 20:34

And I think it's really, really relevant for what you're doing now, helping people to prepare for end of life. Because if we don't take the time to look at some of our obstacles, some of our challenges, some of our fear, and some of our grief through life, it presents itself as we get to the later stages of life. And then it's a lot more traumatic when it arises on its own. But, you know, you and I have been involved in this work, which has really given you such an amazing foundation for what you're offering to others now, is to really, you know, take the time and have a look at what's in there. Have a look at some of these memories that you're not so happy with. Say sorry and give forgiveness to those that are needed so that you're at peace inside of you and it's not residing inside the body, you know, so that doesn't create that torment or troubles or challenges in this present, you know, in life or at the end of life, which is really important.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Tell me about a little bit more about your belief about what happens at the end of life.

SPEAKER_04 21:36

So I've done a lot of research in death, actually, many, many years ago, because, you know, I, as I said, mentioned already that my mum passed away when I was young. Also at the age of 16, my boyfriend was killed in a car accident. So I had to confront that, plus, you know, losing grandparents, which luckily they all passed away from old age. So it was a lovely transition. But I was really passionate. About learning to understand a little bit more. So everything that is a belief is a belief. It's not tried and tested because obviously I'm still here talking to you. I haven't been through it myself at this stage.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

No experts in death unless you've gone and come back.

SPEAKER_04 22:14

Exactly. So I think, you know, from my understanding with my yoga background, as we sort of move into the stages of death and dying, you know, the elements which put themselves together as we're born starts to dissolve as well. You know, and one of the things that I notice the most is, you know, for people, if they're getting approaching an older age, they like to stay indoors because the first element that dissolves is actually the earth element. So they lose a lot of their confidence. So they need a container because the earth element really offers that. And then they go through the other stages until eventually they pass on. So then I sort of move, I've done a lot of research into the whole Buddhist perspective. And from my understanding, is then what happens is we go through what's called the bardos. And there's seven different layers of these bardos, which are all kind of different weighing stations. And it's where you relive all your good deeds that you've done, you relived seven times over. And all the things that were a little bit questionable or not so good, you relive those as well. And you go through a little bit of a a weighing station. But my belief is that we come to Earth. Weighing station as in As in the good things we've achieved. Yeah. Versus the things that were not so good. Yeah. So scales. Like in the scales. Yeah. And so I believe when we come into this earth, we come in with a contract of something. We've we've decided we want to learn something or we want to achieve something. Or sometimes we're even, we even engage in a contract to help somebody else to learn a lesson or achieve something that they want to do. So I think for me, when we've gone through this balancing scales of weighing up, it's kind of, have we achieved what we decided we wanted to come here for in the first place? And if there's a tick, then we get to decide if we want to go back to the field, to universal consciousness, and then decide, do we want to come back and have another go? Is there another lesson we want to learn? Do we want to be of service to somebody else? And if we haven't received the tick of doing the things we had the contract to, then most of the time I believe we get sent back for another go. You know, and some people get stuck in this coming back and having another go. And other people continue to evolve into ascended masters or to really gifted people that have just, you know, so much light and love and service to others. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Or just somewhere else in the universe or the multiverse. Yeah. They're like stuff that human experience ain't coming back. Yeah. Which is kind of a little bit how I'm feeling at the moment.

SPEAKER_04 24:46

And I think you and I can sit here and talk about this exact topic for the next three hours. It's it's it's a really powerful, powerful stage.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Nearly three decades.

SPEAKER_04 24:56

So absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it? So so over the years, you've obviously built up a a huge toolkit um of your yoga, your breath work, meditation, retreats, um, intuitive healing, psyche, and I've I have immersed myself in all of it. You know, I've I've been along the journey, I've assisted in retreats, I've we boy, we've had some amazing journeys together. But can you share a couple of stories or that stand out to you that have been quite pivotal or have really impacted you? I mean, it's hard to pick because there's so many. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:38

There are a couple that really stand out for me. Um, a few years back, I had this beautiful woman who came to me actually with stage four um lung cancer. So she knew the end of life was imminent, and what she'd had decided to do was prepare in the best way possible for her death. She had a lot of stress and anxiety around the end of life and facing it. And she knew she only had months left to live. You know, she had already well and truly gone through months and years of chemo and all sorts of other treatment. So she came to me so she could literally address her fear and her anxiety around, you know, what was coming, the fear of the unknown. She felt quite comfortable herself with the process of death, but she was quite anxious about leaving her children, her, the rest of her family, her husband. She was very active in her the school community. And so she just wanted to make sure that when she transitioned to whatever was coming, she did it in the most beautiful, opening and heart sort of spaced way as possible. So we did a whole lot of Site Case sessions, which helped her to remove the fear and the stress and anxiety of conversations that she needed to have with people that she knew she was going to leave behind, particularly her children, and to be able to be at peace with that and to put them at peace. You know, the conversations that she needed to have with her husband and the sadness that she was having to deal with with leaving, you know, her life partner behind. So we worked a lot together on her finding this peace. So when she did finally transition over, she was really calm and relaxed and just open, and it was actually really beautiful to watch. Resolved.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

There's nothing more beautiful than seeing somebody find resolve and forgiveness and surrender. Yeah, it makes for the transitioning to wherever we go next. Exactly. Um, into the deep mystery, so much more, you know, pain-free, I guess, for the traveler. And you would have seen that. What a what a beautiful experience.

SPEAKER_04 27:57

There's one other one I'd love to share, which was a woman that came to me. She had a history of family abuse from her father when she was young. Um, and then, you know, moving forward, she was now in her forties and her father was dying. And she felt this real sort of torment because she hadn't had much to do with her father, actually, based on the stress of her childhood. Yet in his dying days, she really wanted to be there for him and sit by her side. Was he the abuser? Yes, he was. He was. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

That's a lot.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

Yeah, so she really wanted to go and sit by his side to be there because that's what felt she she felt she wanted to do. But there was so much trauma and stress that she was le reliving as a result of the childhood stuff. So she came to me and we did a whole lot of work removing the stress and the trauma imprints between of what happened with her father so that she could then go in and sit with him in his last days, which was found her, it allowed her to find great comfort and resolve in her own life. So it was really the healing that she needed to do for her. Um, and using the Psyche K, using some breathing techniques and some energy management tools, we were able to empower her in a really safe and um sort of comfortable way so that she could sit beside him as he passed away.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

It's it's a miracle.

SPEAKER_04 29:28

Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Yeah. Can you explain to our listeners Psyche K?

SPEAKER_04 29:33

And then So Psyche K is a tool which allows you to go in at the subconscious level of mind and transform limiting beliefs, trauma imprints, and negative self-talk, things like that. It allows you to really create the life you want without blockages and limitations. And it's super fast, really effective. I've done so many modalities, but this is the one that I just find I return to all the time because it's so effective and it just really is the highway to self-empowerment and to giving people that power of choice so they're not reacting all the time, but rather really choosing the life they want for themselves.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Yeah, it's that it's look, I've done the processes myself, and I I I love Psyche K. The last weekend I did your management, energy management course, and I have to say it has to be one of the best courses I have ever done of yours. What you put together with all of your knowing, knowledge and modalities and experiential knowledge was really next level. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:40

I think it's really important to give people the tools. So it wasn't just about highlighting to people how they can use their energy, how they can balance it, increase it, decrease it, you know, boundaries, all sorts of things, but it was actually giving people the tools and the experience in the workshop so that they could go away feeling confident that they could move forward with strategies and tools and how to better manage their own energy.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

So and you came up with so many different strategies and tools that could resonate with all of us. But let's let's strip it back a bit. What exactly is energy? Because I we had, you know, a few people on the course and talking to them in the break was really funny. One of them was like, oh, energy management. I thought we were all coming in here and someone was gonna be lying on the floor and we're gonna be woo-wooing around them. Yeah, the other person was like, I was really nervous about coming to this because I thought it was gonna be a woo-woo. Um, and they were just in shock at how practical. Yeah, and useful. Yeah. So let's just dispel this whole energy um, you know, stigma that a lot of people have. Let's talk energy.

SPEAKER_04 31:49

Well, energy is really a wave and a particle. That's what energy is. And it's so it depends on the size of the wave, the thickness of the wave, the frequency of the wave as well. And that's what makes up energy. I mean, energy is particles vibrating, yeah. And it's everybody there's energy with inside of us and within everything that's living or not living. It's something that keeps, you know, is the container for things. So we have energy inside of us, and then we also relate to everything through energy. You know, there are so many and external factors like weather, like food, like other people and places that affect the way we feel. I mean, sometimes, you know, for example, you might, some people might walk into a busy supermarket and feel very overwhelmed by what's going on outside, and it affects the way they feel. Absolutely. You know, other people might um eat a certain food and feel really heavy and stodgy, whereas it might really fuel somebody else and give them lots of energy. And then we've got all these internal factors that also really affect us, you know, our emotions, our beliefs, the way we respond. Self-talk is a huge one, you know, lots of us don't really talk to ourselves very nicely. So it's it's learning to understand all these external and internal factors that influence our energy so that we can then better respond and make positive choices in terms of the way that we interact with the inner and exterior worlds that sort of surround us. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

And I think, you know, being around what we've done over the you know years uh is our journey around energy is the constant need to be looking at it and growing with it. Because how we dealt with energy as a child and how we dealt with energy as a teenager, then in our twenties, then in through to motherhood, uh through now in say perimenopause and then menopause and then post moving into elder, all of the different stages of life uh it requires different energy. And in yoga, as we know, the energy of the full moon and the energy of the seasons and the changes, that it's something that we really should be taught at school about from the very start because it's it's everything really how we are and how we respond, it's all energetic exchanges. Yeah, and part of the course which I really loved was was our energy, energetic signatures and how at one time I might have been more of this and this signature, and now I'm this signature. And for me, I'm all about energy and have always been into it. But doing this course has made me realize how much I need to upgrade or change. Um, certain things are not working for me anymore because of the different stage that I'm in. Yeah. Moving into the death space, having to deal with a lot of heaviness requires me to upgrade. Yeah. Having to need to go, okay, yeah. Change in my external influences, um, tuning into the internal influences. And it's it's really, I mean, it was massive.

SPEAKER_04 35:14

Yeah. Yeah. The energy signatures is fabulous because it allows people to understand what they are. So it allows them to know what charges their energy, how they need to protect their energy or cleanse their energy or calm their energy. But it's also important because we don't live in isolation. We're dealing, you know, in close relationship with our family, with our loved ones, with close friends, those people who work in the big corporate world, they've got to deal with bosses and teammates. And so by understanding not only your energy, you're better able to describe to people and explain to people how you want to be treated and to get the most out of you. But it also allows you to understand how you can have the best connection and communication with other people. And it allows you to know how you can support others, how you can be supported, how to motivate other people, and how to motivate yourself. So that side of things is really important. And you just brought up such a another important thing was that as we go through different stages of life, our needs and requirements change. Um, a level of energy that we need change. I mean, what I needed when I was a young single mum with two young boys, I, you know, I needed a lot of energy to get me through the day and patience to deal with them. Whereas now moving through where my kids are old enough to support themselves, I need a different type of energy. I'm wanting to do a lot more interior work. So I'm requiring myself to look inside a lot more. So as we go through different ages and stages of life and the cycles that you pointed out, we really need to understand how we can manage our energy and adjust what we do so that we're getting the most out of every moment in our lives.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

Absolutely. And it's it's very empowering when you take the time to to do energy work and to look into energy and do a course because it's only giving you information so you have the ability to respond. So you become a lot more responsible in your life, and that leads to accountability. Yeah. Which you and I love. Yeah. I mean, that's what we we've done forever is hold each other accountable. And if people did that a lot more and and were able to see it, you know, so many people are just not aware.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

So I just think it's so important. Energy is is so much more than just how people look at it, either super scientifically or super spiritually.

SPEAKER_04 37:45

Yeah, absolutely. You know? And I think, you know, I liken it to the our phone batteries. You know, when the phone batteries. Yeah, when it runs out, the first thing we're all doing is running to go and plug it in. But the amount of people I hear today that come to see me in clinic or friends or family, and everybody's exhausted. Yeah. Everybody is so tired for so many reasons, yet they don't stop and think, what do I need to do to fill my energy cup up? You know, everybody's pouring from this empty cup or a cup that's got so many holes into it. Yeah. So really to learn to understand what creates these holes, how we fill our cup up, it's just so important. Yeah. And it's like we don't just do one meditation and think that we're going to be levitating at the top of the hill. Yeah, it doesn't work like that. We do have to be committed to our practices and continuously show up for ourselves so that we are learning to manage our energy better because it puts us in a position of power and choice so we can respond to whatever's going on around us in the best way.

SPEAKER_01 38:46

Yeah. Exactly. And let me just tell you, this woman is always full of energy. You are just the most amazing human. You turn up, you're full of energy. You have a practice that you do daily. You know the time that you need to take off every year. You always take that time off. You have your rituals, your your own personal private practices, your eating. It is I I've I just don't know anyone like you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:20

It's really important to put in for yourself, you know.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

Yeah. And you're a walk-in example of it. And that's why you're able to, that's why I think really where you are now is in your pocket. What people really need is this information.

SPEAKER_04 39:35

And I think one of the most important things I'm saying to myself at the moment is, what am I saying yes to and what am I saying no to? You know, and it's so important that I want to make sure that I am fulfilling my own goals and desires. I'm filling my own energy cup. I'm there for my family, my friends. And I want to prioritize my own self and my well-being. Yes. So when I'm saying yes to somebody else for whatever the reason, I'm potentially saying no to something else. So I want to make sure I'm really aware and positively choosing what I'm saying yes to and what I'm saying no to.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

Look, it's it should be everyone's mantra. It's my mantra. If I'm listen, if I'm saying yes to you, it means I'm saying no to me.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:19

So I'm just gonna have to say no, sorry. And why can't we be empowered to say these things?

SPEAKER_04 40:26

You know, it's yeah, those expectations and assumptions that people put out there for us to be a show up in a certain way. And the most important thing is we show up first for ourselves because the more we put in for ourselves, then the more we have to give everybody else. But for some reason along the way, it's been you know termed selfish when we do things for ourselves. But then you're having to show up for yourself and everybody else as an empty cup, and that's no good for anybody.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

I love that rum dust quote where where he says, the best thing that I could do for you is to work on me. And the best thing um you could do for me is work on you. Yeah. It's something like that. Yeah. Something like that. Something like that. And it is it is so true. All that essence. And I mean, amen to that. Yeah, I agree. So because we are here on the Live Well, Leave Well podcast, let's talk more about, or specifically, about how your work can really help and impact someone at the end of life or facing the end of the life, end of life, or people supporting them at the end of life.

SPEAKER_04 41:47

So I think, you know, death has been proven to be one of our greatest fears in life. You know, really, there's so much unknown about it. So there's a huge fear that comes up in the person that's facing death. Yeah. And it's that facing what they don't know, and it's also then what they're gonna leave behind. So I find a lot of working with people in this space, it really helps them to address their stress, um, which is another space that I do a lot of work in. So it's removing the stress about going somewhere where they don't know where they're going, and um then having to leave other people. So that's really important. It's helping them to be at peace with themselves going through the stages to manage the pain, because that's also really um important in that stage. So there's there's a lot that somebody can do if they're the person who is confronting the later stages of life and death and dying. Um, and then there's the work that can be done with the people who are supporting their loved ones, because again, there's often a lot of fear and trauma that comes up, things that people haven't said to their loved ones that they need to say. It's the trauma of what am I gonna do when that person's not around and I can no longer see them anymore. It's so there's sometimes it's about forgiving that person. And by forgiveness, it doesn't always mean that you're excusing them. It's that you're fat you get to a place of acceptance with whatever happens so that they can move forward, you know, in a good way, and so can you. So there's so many different aspects, but I think one of the most important ones for me is that, you know, every day we have the opportunity to get up and really decide how we want to show up for that day. You know, and whether you're the person who is um uh who's confronting death or you're the person who's supporting somebody through it, there's a lot of emotions going around at that time. So you you need to reclaim your morning as a set up space, you know, a chance to really set up how you want your energy to be for the day. And I always say if you're not directing your energy, then somebody or somebody else is.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Such a good point. Um, when I used to do the training for volunteers um coming into palliative care in the workshop, I used to say to everybody, your energy has to be so uh clean, clear, strong. We we used to sort of say to everyone, you know, you have to have a ritual where when you arrived at the door, you have to leave your stuff behind. Because the truth is that people will gravitate to the calmest energy in the room.

SPEAKER_04 44:32

And I think with what you're saying, it's really important that you are really diligent with cleaning your energy as well. Because, you know, our boundaries get infused with everybody else's energy, and then we become confused as to what is our trauma, what somebody else is in the room, and we start to become very, you know, reactive to everything that's going on rather than that choice of how I want to respond and show up in this situation. So it's really, really important.

SPEAKER_01 45:00

And I just want to point out here that there's that idea that it's a lot of work. But it's not. Because in actual fact, even in your energy management course, you you went through quite a few little techniques. They don't really take a lot. No, ten minutes here and there. Ten minutes here and there, exactly. A bit of breathing. And uh the more people I sort of speak to about that, even these, I think what you called it was habit stacking. Yeah?

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

See, I'm a good student.

SPEAKER_04 45:32

I know, I'm impressed that you remembered that.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

So it really stuck out. It's this idea that, I mean, and I'm pretty good, I'm very diligent. But for other people, what I what I find, I'm like, hey, you know, you can just do a tap, but people are are a little bit, you know, they get a bit, what's the word for it? Overwhelming. No, um, if they Well, they tap out. They do. You know, when you're paranoid about what someone's thinking about you. Self-conscious. Yeah. A lot of people are self-conscious to do sort of sit there and go and breathe. And and you came up with this fantastic thing to go to the toilet.

SPEAKER_04 46:12

I know. I know, because you only get no one's disturbing you in the toilet, are they? So it is gives you that space.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

Genius.

SPEAKER_04 46:19

Well, I came up with that when my kids were young, because that was the only way I would get five minutes to just calm my farm, as they say. You know, really to calm myself down. So it's a great place to go.

SPEAKER_01 46:30

It was brilliant. And in a lot of our discussions, you know, that I was talking to, because you know, I would often convert, tell you things about what's happening. And just going into the separate room, I would sort of say in palliative care, oh, there's an empty room. I'd say to people, just go into there and just take a moment and do what you need to do. But there's the tapping, there's the breathing, there's the hand on the heart and the kunda.

SPEAKER_04 46:55

I love that one.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

There's the transformation pose, which is incredibly powerful. Um, there's people, you know, come up with the the washing of the hands, the shaking is also really valuable.

SPEAKER_04 47:08

There's so many ways to reset your energy. And the idea is just to just practice a few and see what works. Keep doing it. Yeah, consistency is always the key. Yeah. It's just, you know, showing up for yourselves. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

Yeah. It's true. But it's interesting how people judge a certain thing because I'll go on meditation, you know, you come into the area and you'll you'll say, Oh, someone listen to this meditation. And let's talk about me, my meditation, how bad I am. I mean, over the years, have I even made it through one? Even at the end of the yoga and I put my legs up against the wall, what am I doing? Snoring. 20 seconds into closing my eyes and lying in Shavasna. I'm like, great, good opportunity for a fresh love.

SPEAKER_04 47:52

I know, but that's potentially what you need at the highest level.

SPEAKER_01 47:55

So that's it seems like I need it all my life. I can't stay awake. So I'm like the world's, I think, worst meditator. But I'm a really good moving meditation.

SPEAKER_02 48:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

And as long as I have a chant, a um technique. Yes, a technique and a mantra. Like I love that. That's no problem.

SPEAKER_04 48:18

I can do that. I think what's really important is that it different things work for different people. Exactly. And I think it don't just think that you just can only meditate because some people are terrible meditators. Some people are too in their head, some people are too tired. There's all sorts of reasons. That's why I like to present a whole lot of different tools that resonate with different people and also for different times. I mean, you know, potentially while you're standing by besides somebody's bed who's dying, you don't want to be standing there and shaking. You know. Whereas to just quietly sit down, place one hand on your heart and one hand on your belly and do some nice calming breaths will really calm you down and potentially will even overflow into the person on the bed as well. And I think with the end of life, the idea is that you want to be in the best place possible so you can help support other people around you. Or if you're the person who is facing that life-limiting condition, then you also really want to show up for yourself and for others in the best possible way as well. So it's really important to take that time, and it doesn't take long, but to take that time to do a little bit of work to help yourself and other people. We all are going to face death at some stage. And there's so many people that push it away, and you're doing this beautiful work, which allows people to embrace the fact that we are going to die. So you may as well befriend it, prepare for it, and be aware of it, which then takes you to, you know, where I'm doing the work is live every moment as if it's your last. You know, don't wait to get the good crockery out. Yeah. Don't wait to go on that holiday that you've been putting off forever, because you should live every day, every moment as if it's your last. And embrace it and be happy. Be excited every morning that you've woken up for another day ahead of you. You know, there's so much to get.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

When we we, or when you do your work and I do my work, I never really want to tell people that the fear will ever go. Because I think fear is a really natural part of being human. But we can certainly reduce it or feel more empowered because it's like with somebody that's about to go out on stage or do acting or to do a speech or whatever we do, jump out of a plane. Yeah. There's this exhilaration. And let's talk about fear and flip it on its head and make it more palatable. No, not such a I think fear of death is is really acceptable.

SPEAKER_04 50:52

It is. Well, it's it you want people to have some level of fear. What you don't want is for that fear to be shutting people down because then their energy starts shrinking, their immune system starts switching off, they're not thinking properly, there's a thousand important decisions to be made, and they can't make any of them consciously. So I think in in my line of work, I've found it the most important is that you want to sever the shutdown connection, that fear imprint that we have at the subconscious level of mind that causes us to react in ways that we don't want to. And, you know, it is really important that people don't try to get rid of sorrow or fear. We live in this fix-it society where everyone's trying to fix everything.

SPEAKER_01 51:37

That's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_04 51:38

And it's really important to just embrace, meet yourself where you're at, even in that sorrow or that deep pain or that hurt or the fear, is you do want to be in there because it there's a huge amount of opportunities for growth and learning in that space. Correct. If you meet yourself where you're at. Yeah. But you don't want to go there andor stay there when it's completely shutting you down.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

When you disassociate from it.

SPEAKER_04 52:07

Yeah, that's where you can come and see myself or somebody like myself that helps people to embrace the stage that they're in and get the most out of it, but not in a stage, not in a way where it's shutting them down and stopping them from moving forward or dealing with the loss or the grief or managing the pain of, you know, what they're experiencing, whether it be physical, mental, and emotional. So you do want to meet yourself where you're at and really embrace, you know, that the feelings as they come up.

SPEAKER_01 52:38

Yeah, absolutely. And as we both know, pain is not just physical, it's a lot of existential pain at the end of life. And and again, that's why, you know, what I do is try to get everybody to sort these sorts of things, your practical, emotional, your mental, your physical uh stuff upstream while you're living well. Then you can live, really live well because you've leaned into, you know, what's going to happen at the end. Yeah. Then when you get to the end, I mean, again, you've got to be really, in order to be able to resolve things, you have to be able to feel them first. You've got to have the confidence to go in there. Um, because no one likes to sit in pain. No. But the truth is life is suffering. Yes. Yes. We're in a constant cycle of letting go and rebirthing and facing loss, you know? Yeah, it's a part of life. It's a part of life.

SPEAKER_04 53:37

And you don't want to fear it or move away from it. You do want to stand there. But it's like anything that if you're not honest and authentic with how you're feeling and you don't have to fix it, it's to be honest and authentic about where you are. Then you can start to, when the time is right, to look at where you want to be, which is dealing with the process and of the pain and the loss, and then how you're going to embrace life moving forward. And it's a natural part of life. You know, you look at nature and you know, the seasons uh go on, and you know, basically it finishes with winter, which is that stage where all the trees have lost all their leaves and everything's going into this shutdown, which is kind of synonymous with death. And then you come out afterwards into what we've just experiencing today, actually, and yesterday, which is the spring equinox, yeah, where you plant spee seeds for rebirth. Yeah. And that's, I mean, your work that you're doing in the death space is just so important because it does help people deal with their fears. You know, by allowing and helping people to look at what they need to um face when they're coming to those decisions at the end of life, if they've thought about them beforehand, it stops all this guessing and not knowing and that that unknown that starts to rear its head. I mean, you've told me about many troubles that go on with families, about dealing with what to do and what not to do. But when there's a clear um end-of-life directive, you know, a lot of that's taken away.

SPEAKER_01 55:06

That's a lot of stress for people. It lessens a lot of the anxiety and the pain and suffering. And I guess at the very core of it, which is where you and I love to be, in the core of it, is that when we're facing fear, there it requires a deep trust. And I think the trust in being human is where we lack the most, is that complete disconnect. And your work and my work both helps people to reconnect to that which is human. Yeah. And to be human is to embrace it all in its mess and its glory and its darkness and its light and its glitter, you know, and it's thunder. And the more that practices we get to do, or we we choose to discipline ourselves in a habit stack that bring us back to connecting, to being human. So what we are doing together, and what so many people are asking of people in death preparation, and what you're asking for in meditation and yoga and all of your modalities and toolkits and energy management is to reconnect. Because the more familiar you get, the better the relationship you have with connection to yourself, your internal world, and your external world. So that by the time you actually get to death and dying, it's not, you're not tripping out.

SPEAKER_04 56:45

No.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

You know, you're not actually going, oh, I can feel, I've got no choice. I think the the thing that I always feel is way scarier than death. Way scarier than death for me is feeling everything all in one go because I've completely disconnected all my life because you can run, but you can't hide.

SPEAKER_02 57:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:10

The pain of the human condition or whatever has happened in your life will get you. And that's why so many people are on medication at the end of life to shut down. There's this drug at the very end called Medazzolan, which just makes you forget everything. Oh no. Yeah. So that's what they give you, really, to shut it down because that's the only way they can deal with existential pain. But we don't really know what's happening as they're moving through liminal space, or as you were discussing about the bardas. Is that what they call them? The bardos, yeah. Bardos. The bardos with you know the Tibetan book of the living and the dying explains all of that. That as you're moving across, you've got to go through everything seven times. I don't think any Medaslam is going to be healthy there. But we don't know. No, we don't know. I have no idea. Yeah. But I'm fearful of I don't want to be in that position. I would rather be feeling now, resolving now, working out my relationships now while I'm living well. And if I can't, at least journaling them, writing them down, even if you know some things are not possible and then it ought not always are, to be resolved within myself, first and foremost. Because I'm I'm fearful of existential pain at the end of life. I don't want to be ignoring it all, drinking my way through life and just suppressing everything. And then what I see at the end of life is this sometimes horror in people's faces. Um they're not ready, and then not certain people that are just so at peace. I know what's the difference. And I don't know these people, I don't know their lives. Sometimes I'm eating them right at the very end. I walk in to room, they've only come in the night before. I don't know anything about them. And I sit and I think, wow, how who are you? How is your life? And I can see or feel the peace. Or I can feel the torment and the trauma and the stress.

SPEAKER_04 59:18

And I think a lot of that's got to deal authentically and honestly people live their life. Because if they're going through life and living it with authenticity and integrity, and they're honest with their communication with people around them, and and in in certain situations that happen, they don't leave things unresolved. You know, they've had those conversations that they need to have with their with their parents or their siblings or their kids, and you know, they've dealt with situations as they go. So they're not, there's not all these unseen or undiscovered things that are surfacing inside of them as as they pass over, because that is what happens.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

It's a it's a tankful. If we're talking about cups, it's like a loaded cup. It's a filled up. You want to sort of enter into the end of life with an empty um cup of of the of all the stresses and the anxiety and the unresolved. And go in so that you can fill up as you move into your next, you know, you've got to empty before you go into another stage, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:21

Before you fill up again. And I think it's important and having those conversations with loved ones around you. It's everything. Because it's not, if you're the person who is dying, then you have to manage everybody else's grief around you sometimes as well, which is a lot. Whereas if you can communicate to them what you're going through and, you know, say all the things that you need to say, it's so important to be able to honestly and authentically communicate and express to someone how you're feeling about them. It's really important to be able to then feel that you're going to die with them knowing everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

It's and that's another great thing about our timeless transitions is that if you aren't capable or stressed about it, or it it's something that you feel really uncomfortable doing, we've done it for you. We've recorded that journey for you. And in our time as transitions, which we've got six at the moment, I forgive.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:25

Heart to heart, uh, grief and relief. And we've got the here and now, the forgiveness, the honor and heal, and real release and reset.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:38

And we take people through that, and we you can actually listen to it as a whole family or as friends whoever sitting at the bedside. Yeah. Um, it's not just for one person, it gets it's so many different places and spaces. I'm loving the shameless promotion of our timeless transitions. But we're so proud of this project, aren't we?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:59

Yeah, well, I think it's like we were saying before, that in the end-of-life stages, a lot of people get triggered emotionally. And so they go into a bit of a shutdown. And that's where I think our timeless transitions are just priceless, is because we are we offer things for them to think about. Yeah. That they they're not thinking about because there's so many other things to think about. And this is all empowering for both the people supporting and also for the person going through the death themselves. So it really just holds and supports people in the time that they need it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:33

And it validates what people are going through. Yeah. You know, because sometimes in the transitions, it's not about thinking, um, it's just validating where they're at, just saying it. You know, it's like a spoken truth. Um, and then an invitation to breathe, to calm. Yeah. Yeah, guys, get excited, guys and gals and everybody out there, cowboys, cowgirls. Um, get ready for these timeless transitions. Now, you know, you and I could sit here and talk for the next week. I think it's a great time to wind up on that. Um, thank you so much for coming in and sharing with us your incredible wisdom. Yeah, your deep earned wisdom. And it's it's a pleasure, an honor to be your friend and your sister from another mister.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:26

And I'm sure everyone's gonna get a lot out of this. I highly encourage everybody to to um look at the resources and check out Tanya and book into your everything. Well, mainly the energy management personally, because I've just done that fresh. Yeah. Um, yoga, good luck. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:48

That's a journey where you have yes, I'll have lots next to you. So you can you can find me at impurpose.com.au and I'll have all my workshops and retreats and all the other exciting things I'm doing up there, plus the timeless transitions, which we will be birthing very soon. Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:05

Right, love you, Tun. Thank you so, so, so, so much for everything you do for everybody.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:10

My pleasure, and thank you again for having me on and love you too, and love the work we're doing and the light that we're bringing onto this planet. So, again, a big, huge thank you, and I wish you all the very, very best.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:21

Thank you, my love.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:24

One, two, three, four, five questions.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:29

So, I always ask every guest um on Live Well, Leave Well to do a final five. So, here's yours. So, Tun, what does Leave Well mean to you personally?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:41

It really means to have the conversations that I need to have to tell the people that are close to me how much I love them and how much they mean to me, anything that's left unsaid, to have those conversations so I can leave well. Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:55

What's one practice that you return to again and again?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:59

That'd have to be my morning yoga practice to set me up for the day.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:03

Beautiful. God, and you do that so well. What has grief taught you that nothing else could?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:10

Grief has taught me to love and appreciate and embrace every single moment, every single day. Don't put things off.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:18

Amen to that. Yeah. And what is a breathing technique that you do every day or many times a day that you could share?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:28

So that's just to sit or stand or lie down with my left hand on my lower abdomen and my right hand over my heart. And that's closing my eyes and just taking a really few deep conscious breaths. It might be to increase my energy, it might be to decrease it, or it might just be to calm myself down. But just by spending one, two, five, ten minutes doing that, it really just helps me to hit the reset button.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:54

Perfect. And if you could whisper one message to someone facing Death or deep loss, what would it be?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:04

That would really be to stop and embrace where you're at. Don't try to fix it, don't try to heal it. Just be in it and just take one step at a time and find your support and your point of truth and love in that space.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:23

Amazing. You've been listening to Live Well, Leave Well by Me, Bachi. If you or someone you know would benefit in some way, shape, or form from this episode, please share it. It would mean the world to me. And hopefully, it might mean the world to someone else. Catch you soon on the next episode. Live Well, Leave Well was recorded and mixed with original music by Brand Music and produced by Michael Burrows.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:59

Live well, live well.