From the First State to Music City: Cultivating Gratitude with Lisa Condon

Join Christine and Ryan McCoy as they welcome their good friend, team coach, and former Delaware resident, Lisa Condon, to the podcast! 

In this episode, Lisa shares her journey from the corporate world to celebrating 20 years in her own business, explaining how she helps people align their business paths with their authentic selves. 

Dive into a discussion about values, the importance of stopping to celebrate wins, and how a daily practice of gratitude can physically change your brain and transform your business. 

From her favorite spots in Sussex County to her new life in Nashville, Lisa brings a wealth of wisdom, energy, and a touch of "Gypsy" spirit to the conversation. 

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Transcript

Hello everyone, and welcome to our podcast, Delaware. Ryan and I are here with a very good friend of ours, and our whole idea behind the Delaware podcast is to introduce you to amazing people Now Lisa doesn't live in Delaware anymore, but she has a big influence here in Delaware. So we wanna talk to Lisa Condon today about Lisa Condon Enterprises, all things Lisa. She is our coach for our team. So we don't often talk about our real estate team on the podcast, but Lisa has been so influential in our team's life that we're so excited. Ryan, this is your best day ever. Of course. It's probably the most excited I've ever been to have somebody on our podcast. Lisa. No offense to everybody else- Yeah ... but Lisa is our favorite. , And Lisa, for people that don't know, she was the officiant at my wedding, which was- Mm-hmm ... a couple months ago. It was. So we have a great relationship with Lisa. So Lisa has been a coach of mine, friend of mine, all things. She knows me so well, and she can call me on all my stuff we'll say on the podcast. And she's been very influential on the growth of our team. So now she even coaches our agents, and one of the things that I'll start with is that Lisa is amazing at seeing people for who they are, and the way she coaches our team is to help them develop their business as real estate agents into a path that feels very authentic for them. So Lisa, tell us about how you got into coaching. Tell... You know, you can go on about how you love Delaware, even though you moved away from us. But, but just talk, first of all, about coaching and how you got to be a coach. Well, first of all, I'm excited to be here and be on the podcast with you. I remember when this was just a whisper of an idea. And now here you are, and it, you're killing it. I love it. It makes me really excited for you. You know, for coaching for me, I got into it, I'm actually celebrating 20 years in business this month. Wow. And it all started because of a misalignment in the corporate space of how I was feeling and didn't know at the time it was values misalignment. Mm-hmm. And one day something happened from, I was in the newspaper industry. Something happened with the publisher. I was about to... I thought you were gonna say you were in the newspaper. I was in the newspaper. There was a write-up. It wasn't good. It wasn't good. She had to escape. And, and the publisher asked me to do something that was really against me- Mm-hmm and what I felt was right for my team. Ultimately fought back. I won, but in that moment I knew that that was not gonna be the direction any longer- Mm-hmm ... of how I was doing things. And up until that point, I kept being asked, you know, "Do you freelance? Do you consult? Do you do these things?" And my answer was always no, until that day. And it happened to be- Interesting ... one of the same people that same day said, "Hey, you consulting yet?" And I said, "Yes, I am." Yes, I am. And it changed everything. And so I went down this road of stepping into coaching- And it was an interesting road because I, I didn't know what I didn't know. I said yes to a lot of things that I learned from. Mm-hmm. But going back to what you said, Christine, I think very deeply that my superpower is helping people understand the impact that they wanna have through life and business in their communities, in their families, and in the world. Right. And when I'm able to do that for individuals and for teams, I find it so empowering. And I watch people change and flourish, and it's so It, I just love those moments and those glimmers of just the ahas that happen. Yep. And it's like, "Oh, wait a second," and they start connecting the dots. I love it. I absolutely love it. Well, and it's so funny because you hear coaches say that you know, "I just like watching people grow." Well, Lisa is so authentic in that. Like, her, her total passion is other people's success, and she's very humble behind the scenes as to how she gets all this done for people. But she has really changed a lot of our agents' lives and helped them grow in pretty substantial ways. 'Cause I always joke that being a real estate agent, you have to have a tough, like, a suit of armor on because we get beaten up in every direction sometimes. You don't even know where it's coming from. But, but helping people grow through that and find their passion for real estate and find a, a excitement in their business. And one of the things you do are values cards. Mm-hmm, I do. Yeah. Yeah. I- so it's funny, I did a program, and it was called Leadership Champlain. Actually, funny enough, there's Leadership Delaware, very similar program here in Delaware, and I did it in Vermont when I lived there. And the opening weekend, we did this values card exercise, and it was really identifying what your core values were. And again, aha moment for me, when the person who was teaching it said, "Well, there's one value that usually comes up in 95%. It's usually one of the top two core values." And she said, "How many people have family in their- Mm-hmm ... top two core values?" And I was the only person that didn't raise their hand, and in fact, it wasn't even in my top 20. Oh, wow. And, and so again, it was, I looked at why and, and all of the things that you needed to do, and I remembered that- Mm-hmm and how that changed me and how I looked at things, and it, it gave me a lot of answers as to why I approach things the way that I do, how I build certain things, relationships, business, and otherwise. And I then started using somebody else's values cards- Mm-hmm ... and realized they, they weren't hitting all the mark for me, so I created my own- Mm-hmm because that's what I do. You know, if there's a gap, I just create it, right? So, so I use that as a pretty significant tool. Actually, Ryan, you and I use those. Yeah, we did. We did that exercise together. Yeah, and, and it was eye-opening because I think also we as humans put a lot of cloaks on, and we build layers from people telling us who we should be, what we should be good at. What we're good at, what we're not good at. What we're... Yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm. And, you know, and it, it, I mean, it could be parents, teachers, whomever, and we've heard it since we've been kids. Shedding those layers off- Mm-hmm ... and getting to that core of what your internal North Star is, that's fun. I think it's sometimes what we tell ourselves too. I, we- Yeah ... we all of a sudden start telling ourselves a story that maybe isn't true. Mm-hmm. But for whatever reason, we've found ourselves caught in that line. Absolutely. So- Yeah ... when I was doing the value cards with you, I think one of the questions I asked you like three or four times, I was like, "When I cut these- doesn't mean they're not important to me." Right. Yeah. If I take them out, I'm s- not saying that I don't want them. You don't wanna be wrong. But it's, well, it was just, it was, it was a hard exercise. It is hard. It is hard. If you take it serious, it's hard- Mm-hmm ... because you're asking yourself the hard questions. And the reason that I force the issue of getting it to the top two is think about how you're integrating values into your life. Mm-hmm. And y- if you're trying to integrate five, six, 10 things all at the same time, think of the overwhelm- Right ... that you will go through. So take that first one- Mm-hmm ... and see where it's integrating and where you have opportunity. And once you get that to a point of feeling pretty good- Mm-hmm ... then you go to the next one. But just, and to your point, Ryan, just because it's not in your top two does not mean you- Right ... don't value it. It just means that when you come to some of those tough life or business decisions, you're gonna lean into these first. Right. Mm-hmm. That's really cool. But you have so many other facets of your business. I mean, you are a very well-known speaker- I am ... around the country, around the world maybe. Around the, definitely around the country. Tell, tell me about, tell us about what are your favorite things to speak on- Mm-hmm ... and some of the places you've done and the pe- You meet amazing people, and Lisa is also an amazing connector, so she connects people. If you say, "I need X, Y, and Z," she'll say, "I've got exactly the person that you need to talk to," and it could be in Minnesota, it could be in California, but Lisa knows them. So tell us a little bit about your journey as a speaker. Sure, and I do love connecting people. Mm-hmm. Like, that's my most fun thing. Yeah, I started speaking, my gosh, well, I, I was a theater person- Yes ... you know, back in the day, and I even went to school for theater. So speaking has always just, I think, been in my genes. Mm-hmm. And I really started taking it seriously about maybe 10 years ago. And some of the topics I speak on are things like shedding the shoulds. Mm-hmm. That's actually one of my talks. I do talk about value alignment quite a bit, a lot of resiliency in leadership. Mm-hmm. Especially, I just did a talk recently about how intuition is really a superpower. But I will tell you that gratitude for me- Mm-hmm ... is really the baseline of everything that I do, and I have a gratitude framework that I speak on. And so everything builds from that. So- You put gratitude out every day. I do. Mm-hmm. I do. I'm always amazed. Yeah, I do, every single day, and I do it for me, and if it inspires somebody else- Mm-hmm ... awesome. Like, it, but it, but it's for me. Yeah. Like, that's really why I do it, to set the tone for what I do. So, I speak everywhere, and I speak to small audiences, I speak to large audiences. I'll actually be speaking in October in Philadelphia again, which is fun. I like speaking in Philly. It's one of my favorite places to speak. But the larger the crowd for me, the better- Mm-hmm ... because I love picking up on the energy and interacting with groups. And so that one, the title of that one is something that came to me in the desert 10 years ago. Oh my gosh. And it was... I know. And it's called Finding Solace in Stillness and Stilettos, and it's all about the- Right? It's all about feminine power and- Yeah ... stepping into your authenticity as a woman, and taking the intentional pause, and making decisions from that heart space. And I'm excited about it. That sounds awesome. Yeah. Thanks. You wanna come? Yeah. I was gonna say, wow, where's my ticket? I need to come. Find your solace in these. Ryan, do you wanna go? Oh, no, never mind. I just got uninvited. Well, st- I don't know if you'd look good in stilettos. I think I would. Yeah. I think I've seen him in stilettos. I'm just kidding. So Lisa, what else what else can we talk about with your... I mean, you have so many business lines. I feel like you've been all over the place with your life. Tell us a little bit about your travels. Vermont. Yes. Delaware. Oh, yeah. So- Tennessee ... I grew up in Pennsylvania. I grew up in Lancaster. Mm-hmm. And left at 17 and never looked back. I mean, not because it was bad, just because I kind of had outgrown it. Mm-hmm. And I knew that. Went to school in Jersey and lived all over New Jersey, and was in the newspaper industry. So I was in... I, I've lived a lot of places. So New Jersey and then Georgia, and then I ended up in Vermont. And Vermont is- Such a beautiful place, and if it weren't so cold- ... I perhaps may have stayed there. Left Vermont for a little bit and was down in New York, 9/11 happened. Mm. Ended up back in Vermont. And then I met my husband. Yay. So, which- We love Nate. Yeah, Nate's a great guy. And so met him, and my mom ended up passing away in 2007 right before I met Nate. And I told him at some point I'd wanna move back closer to where I grew up so I could be close to my dad. And when we started looking, we looked in Lancaster and we looked in Delaware. Yeah. Because my dad would summer in Delaware. He started dating a woman that would summer here. And I said, "Well, I'm not moving back to Lancaster, so I guess we're moving to the beach." And we looked for about two years, and we ended up buying here. And right after, this is kinda sad, but right after we got here my dad got sick out of the blue, died five weeks later. Oh, geez. Wow. And we looked at each other and went, "Now what?" Like, now we're in Delaware. And, and Nate said something to me that, he said, "You know what? If we don't like it, we can leave." Yeah. And we were here 11 years. Yeah. I mean, we've made lifelong friends. I mean, you know, Christine, you and Michael and I and Nate. Yeah. Just, I mean... And it's, you become family. Yeah. And there's people here that I was meant to meet, we were meant to meet. And there's always gonna be a part of our hearts here in Delaware, and who knows? Yeah. Perhaps a second home. You never know. You never know. And we decided- Do you know a good real estate agent? I, I know several actually. Everybody asks me that. Just asking for a friend. I wouldn't go anywhere else. I mean, truly. Well, and I wouldn't for a multitude of reasons, including that you're the best in the business around here. Aw. Like, that's why I refer everybody to you. She's talking about me. Oh. Such a brat. And he's your son. And I raised him. He- He's Michael's son. No. No, he's really not. So, you know, and then we decided to take advantage of the market a few years ago. Mm-hmm. And take our adventures elsewhere, and now we're living in Nashville, Tennessee. Cool. But... I know. But you never know, Real McCoy groups south. I'm just saying. That's right. It could happen, right? But I, we, I come back. I come back. Yeah. I try to come back two to three times a year, and for work and, you know, some personal- Some fun ... fun stuff too. You know? So it's, Delaware's a really special place and, you know, you talked about the connecting piece of it. And one of the things that I love is I have a lot of connections still in Delaware- Mm-hmm ... but I wanna put the right people together. And I'd seen that with doing that with your agents, and hearing them, and who they might wanna be around, or things they wanna step into and learn for themselves. Mm-hmm. So connecting those dots, sometimes it's two years later- ... that they put dots together, Ryan. You know, and- Oops. And, and other times it's- #Joel. Hash- hashtag Joel. Joel, you're getting a shout-out, buddy. You know, but other times it's also non-profit organizations- Mm-hmm ... and where you might wanna be spending your time giving back in community- Yeah and what really speaks to your heart. And, you know, it's, I actually had somebody say to me, so my friend Regina, somebody said to her, "Why is Lisa leaving? Like, she knows everybody around here, and she's kind of built her empire." And I just started laughing because I'm like, "I just want people to know the right people." Yeah. Like, that's all it's about. She ran out of people. She had to move. She had to move to Nashville. She met everybody in Delaware. So it turns out it only takes 11 years to meet everybody in Delaware. Evidently. Evidently, right. We do talk about our small towns quite a bit. I think Lisa's probably one step removed from about everybody. But one of the great things that you got our team involved in was Santa's Letters. Yes. Yeah. And we had them on, and we talk a lot about Santa's Letters 'cause we're one of their major sponsors, but not as a shout-out, just because it's such a cool grassroots organization. But you were kinda the director for a while to help them really launch. Yeah, I was. You know, it's funny, Christina called me one day and said, "Hey, I wanna pick your brain on something." And we had met at a women's group, you know, years before. And so as we were talking, I said, "You know, this is something I can help you with." And she's like, "I was hoping you would say that." And so from there, we grew that together. I mean- You really did ... it was, it, it was unbelievable. And so, you know, the last I looked, it's like 300 times what it was when we first started in terms of- Wow ... bringing in- Mm-hmm ... not only funds, but also the families that they help and the- Yeah ... children that they help. It is amazing what they do, and it all started from one letter that Shawn got- Mm-hmm when he was working at the post office. And that's the thing, one thing can change everything. Absolutely. Ugh, I love that. And I love, we love being involved with that. We just did their Easter egg hunt. Mm-hmm. I couldn't be there this year. And they keep having the spaghetti dinner on a day that I'm away, so hopefully not this year. So Yeah ... but we go to all their fun events and- Absolutely ... there's so many community events that you've been involved with. Mm-hmm. I mean, you did c- Cocktails Curing Cancer. So Cocktails Curing Cancer, I was the title sponsor of that- Mm ... in Vermont, and when we moved here, I decided to open a chapter here, and I did that. And we donated, over the course of three years about $70,000 to- Incredible ... beebe Tunnel Cancer Center. Wow. And, and they actually, I will say this, this was really heartwarming to me, and, you know, it's ... So when they built their facility in Ocean View- Mm ... because of what Nate and I donated personally, and because of Cocktails Curing Cancer, they gave us one of the bricks on the wall. Oh, awesome. And you know, somebody in this room actually sent me a picture of that. And also, a friend of mine who has since passed away, he was there getting treatment, and he sent me... I'm getting emotional. He sent me a text, and it was the last text I ever got from him, and he said, "Every time I come in for treatment, I sit by where your brick is- Oh, my gosh because it gives me comfort before I go in." You're gonna make me cry on a podcast. And this was somebody I performed with- Yeah ... here, you know? And it was, That's really special ... really touching. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice to know that you made such a difference, though. I mean, you're not only coaching people up, but you're the community generosity that you have and connecting people that way, too, and so the, that more of us can get involved and more of us can be generous, 'cause I wouldn't even know where to go. And Lisa's my North Star. I just follow, I just follow her, and I'm like, "Oh, that's what I should be doing." I always find it amazing because I think every time I talk to you, I find out something new and something else that you are a part of. See? There are actually ton of them. Amazing. But, like, how do you keep yourself organized? Or what, what's good for you? What do you need that kind of f- you always ask me, "What fills your cup?" Oh, look at this. Look at me. Turning it around. Coming right back at you. Wow. All right, Ryan. All right, you've learned. What fills my cup? So- Helping others is a really big deal for me. And so yes, it's part of my business, but it's also part of my heart space. Part of the reason we moved to Nashville is the live music. Mm-hmm. And that is something that is really, really, like live music is my heart space and kinda my spirit animal. So between that and traveling, those are the two main things. Mm-hmm. I will say more than anything else, it's time with Nate. Mm-hmm. You know, quality time with the person that I love the most, who is the best person I know, there's nothing better than that. So I really don't care if we're sitting out back talking, you know, or we just got a hot tub. We're sitting in our new hot tub. Oh, very cool. Yep. And so, you know, it, for me it doesn't matter as long as he's there. Mm-hmm. So that's important. But I am a writer. I'm an artist, and I, so I do that, those types of things too, pull out my creative side. Mm-hmm. And, you know, I've got a book that'll be coming out early next year. So- You had one come out two, two years ago? Two years ago. Mm-hmm. I had one come out, yep. And that, I brought other authors into that book. Yeah. This one is mine. And so, and then there is a follow-up sequel- Again, did you know that? No. Because I didn't. So you learned something new again about Lisa. It's something different. Something brand new. So that's g- are you allowed to tell us the topic? Oh, yes. It's gratitude. Oh. It's, it's all about my nine steps- Awesome ... of gratitude and the framework. Uh-huh. And the- Love it ... first one's just the basic... not basic, but the nine steps, and then the second one is about nine steps of gratitude in business. Mm-hmm. Because I really believe that having that foundation of gratitude in business changes everything. Yeah. Changes how you work, changes who you work with changes the conversation that's happening in the room. Absolutely. Yeah. I think it's so important 'cause there's so much negativity out there. Mm-hmm. And there's always something you can be negative about. But, like, your gratitude every day, it's always something that you can be grateful for, and I think... And maybe that's why you do it, is because you wanna start every day with, "Here are three things I'm grateful for every day." Yeah. Mm-hmm. I mean, so many of us have so many things to be grateful for, but the stress of life or whatever just kinda overrides, like, the easy, grateful moments that we have. Like, I can get up in the morning and go to the gym because I ha- you know, I'm a- Mm-hmm fully healthy body and I, you know, enjoy doing that. And I always think about that. Like, some people don't have that choice. Some people don't have all the things that we have, and then we get stuck in these negativity. And then I read Lisa's gratitude and I think, "Oh, see? There she is again." Yeah. Showing up. Well, that... And that's why I do it. Mm. Because when I first started doing it, it was actually, I stole it from somebody else who was doing it and said, "Hey, do you mind?" And I realized the days that I didn't practice it- Mm-hmm ... my days felt different. Different. I showed up differently, and I... It was a ha-ha moment. Right. I'm like, "Wait a second. There's something to this." And then as I dug into it and learned... I mean, one of my most favorite things to say is when you are in the active practice of gratitude, and this is in a Harvard white paper, your synapses actually light up differently in your head, and they light up different colors. So I'm like, "There's a disco ball going on in my head." "And I love it." And we are all dancing to Lisa's disco ball. But one of the things you always said to me, especially when I got started in business, 'cause you're just... You're always under the gun. You know, you just want to achieve more. Like, I'm an achiever. And, and you said, "You need to stop and celebrate." Yes. And I don't know... I can't even tell you how many times I say that to myself. "Okay, wait. We had a great moment. Stop." celebrate. Yeah. Like, put the balloons up. And that's exactly it. You know, taking that intentional pause- Mm-hmm ... to acknowledge the work that you have done, and just to... And celebrating looks so different to everybody. And, you know, sometimes you just need that sticker- ... to be like, "Yeah, I did it." Gold star. Gold star right there. And it's okay to do that. And- Yeah ... and I think oftentimes we wait for the big moments to celebrate, and- Right ... you don't need to do that. You know, sometimes it's those small moments that actually change everything- Everything moving forward, so. Yeah, they become the big moments when you're looking back. Correct. Yeah. But you don't, you don't see them when they're there. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah. So you're also, like, a Six Sig- I mean... Lisa's got, like, all these credentials. I don't even know them all. No. I just know Six Sigma's really hard to get. It is. Yeah, I've got some alphabet soup behind my name, you know? So- She doesn't have a business card, she has a business pamphlet. Here's all of me. Yeah, so I'm a Six Sigma black belt. Mm. I'm a Scrum Master. I'm y- I'm a PMP. Like, yes, all- What are these? They're m- So they're all based- Brian is like, "What?" So they're all based in the project management world. And so basically what it means is I know how to run a project- Mm-hmm ... keep it organized, or be agile. Huh. Like, I can do all of it. And so I actual- it's funny because I did a lot of project management work, but I use all of those principles in my coaching- Mm-hmm and how I work with different people because y- there's things that you wanna keep going on. You know, when I'm doing, I call it a clarity compass with people, and I break it down into now, next, and later. Mm. 'Cause you're one person. Right. You can't do everything all at once, so let's figure that out. And I just bring in some of those principles from those, those various things that I've learned over the years, but- You're only 29. I don't know how you did it so fast. I know. I know. I would've never guessed you could manage a project. We just wing it here. Well, now I know. Our coaching sessions are changing. All right. So now we have to get to Delaware. Okay. Okay. So you got here. Yes. Kind of, not accidentally, on purpose. On, yeah, on purpose. And what were your very favorite moments or- Well- ... experiences here? And you lived in two different spots. I did. Mm. Yeah. Which is- Which I think is really important ... very different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and even just figuring out... This is actually funny. So the very first house that we looked at was in Forest Landing- Mm-hmm before Forest Landing was anything. Right. And it was all the original homes that were in there. And we looked at one, and I started calling it my Romeo and Juliet house because it had a Juliet balcony. And then we looked for two years. And- The house by that point had been sold, and we kept looking, kept looking. And we ended up coming down. We were in Atlantic City, took the ferry over, we looked, and we found a house that we really liked in a different development. And our realtor at the time, Christine, I didn't know you then. I know. It's the only time I have not used Christine. In Delaware. In, in Delaware, yes. I know, I know. I know. And she, we were on the ferry going back, and she called and she said, "So I, you asked a bunch of questions about this house. I have the answers." She goes, "But I also have something else to tell you. I just got a call from the real estate agent who has all of these houses, the original homes in Forest Landing, and they're about to put another one on the market of the Romeo and Juliet house." Yeah. And the only reason that we didn't buy the first one was it was right at the entrance and what we thought- Mm-hmm ... was gonna be the permanent entrance, and here it was the side entrance. And Nate did not wanna be right in there. Right. He said, "If the one at the end comes on, we'll do that." This one was, like, second in. Oh my gosh. We bought it sight unseen. That's awesome. We were like, "We want that one." Right. "That's what we want." And so Forest Landing was fantastic. Yeah. It's a great community. And then we, we owned a couple of rental properties- Mm-hmm ... in, in different, We had one in Bishops Landing. We had one in Bethany Meadows- Mm-hmm and bought all those through you, Christine. And then one day it was like, "Oh, wait. There's land right on the water up in Broadkill Beach." And we're like, "Well, all right. Guess we're doing this now." And we had a whole other plan that we were set up to do, buying more rental properties, that type of thing. We sold our rental properties- Mm-hmm and bought the land, and built... Nate basically worked with our developer, not developer- Builder. Mm-hmm ... our builder, to design this really beautiful- Really awesome house ... very modern home. It's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. And and we were there for five years if you can believe it. Really? Took a couple years to build it. Oh my gosh. We lived there five years. Yeah. Amazing. It doesn't seem like it was that long. No, I know. I mean, time flies. I know. Hmm. So yeah. I mean, it was, it was fantastic, and it was also very different. Yeah. You know, when you live in the Bethany area and then you move to Broadkill Beach, which is very small town Delaware- Yep I mean, they have a general store that's only open a couple of months. And, you know, it, it makes a difference. Now, it's funny coming back and driving down yesterday. There's a lot that has changed in the year and a half- Yes ... that I've been gone. And- Yes, it has ... and- That whole interchange has changed. Oh my word. And I remember when it started, and now it's done. And I whizzed by my old exit. I'm like- ... "Oh, wait. Oh, okay." There's usually a light here. Yeah. I mean, so it, it's very different. But that's, that was also part of what we thought was gonna happen, and I said it. From the north it's gonna come down. Mm-hmm. From the south it's gonna come up, and it's like gonna congregate right in that area and- Right. Sure enough ... sure enough, that's what's happening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's lots of talk of some commercial development down there. Oh, yeah. Everything. I, I read a water park. Mm-hmm. I read that recently. So who knows? I didn't see the water park. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the Kalahari Resorts. Oh ... perhaps. Yeah. Very nice. So but again, you just never know. Who knows? Yeah. Right? But yeah. But I- I love Delaware. There's a lot of pieces about Delaware that are really magical and special. I grew up going to the Jersey Shore. Mm-hmm. And had you told me growing up that I would ever live in Delaware, much less miss it, I would have laughed at you. Yeah. Truly. Yeah. Because Delaware was like where people went and retired, and that- ... is just not the case. Yeah. And there's so many things that are happening here, and it just continues to evolve and grow. And even over COVID, I think people, when they were able to work from home, so many people moved down to their second home, which has now become their primary residence. Yep. So what that's done is that's changed, like, the, the age gap that might have been there. You know, there's... You're seeing families that are having children that- Yep ... these young professionals. It's so wonderful to see all of that because that brings economy. Yeah. That brings healthcare. It brings all of the things that you want. All the things that we've been behind on- Yes ... and we're catching up. Absolutely, yeah. Bring some traffic, too. I mean- Little traffic ... you know, but that's, but you're in a beach town. It's not DC traffic. No, no. And you're in a beach town. Like, you're gonna expect that. But I, it- Roll down your windows and smell the beach air- Well- as you're in traffic ... and that's exactly it. Mm. That's what I did yesterday. Mm. I mean, truly, getting over the Blue Bridge as you're driving over and just that, that you get- Yeah ... when you just, when you see the ocean, you smell that salt air you know, there's, you kind of feel like you're coming home. It's kind of nice. Yeah. Yeah. It'll always be part of your home. Oh, I know. I know. My gypsy friend. Like I said, you just never know. It's like, "Hey, what do you have in the pipeline for houses?" You never know. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is a great area. What are your, some of your your best restaurants here? Oh, boy. Well- Give us some of the- DiFebo's is always- Mm-hmm ... a, a fallback for me. I love DiFebo's. I love Crooked Hammock. Mm-hmm. I, when they built just it's a fun atmosphere there. Heirloom is, probably my favorite restaurant is Heirloom for many reasons, not just the food.  But the owner is a female that gives back to community- Mm pretty deeply, and I just, I- It's pretty awesome ... I love her. Christina's Kitchen. Yay. Like, if you wanna pick something up, you know? Yeah. And, you know, I'm not a big sweets person, but even, like, her bakery, like, it's, yeah. It's good. It's really good. Yeah. I always talk about her banana bread, her gluten-free banana bread. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, I would eat that over any other banana bread. Well, she, she made my wedding cake. She did. That's right. Yeah, she did, and it was delicious. And she made some, what, gluten-free, dairy-free- And dairy-free. Mm-hmm ... muffins for, Yeah, for Alec and- Yeah, Alec. Yep. Yeah, we have a lot of food allergies- Showing up in our nei- in our family, so, Christina's Kitchen does a great job with that. Yes, they do. Yeah. They're amazing. So what else do you wanna tell us about Lisa? Oh my goodness, what else? You know, I- She's a cat lover and she has a cute dog named Dexter. Dexter turned six yesterday. Aw. That's 'cause he's crazy like tequila, so we gave him Cinco de Mayo as his birthday. Perfect. True story. Crazy like tequila. I love that. Did you give him tequila for his birthday too? I wasn't there, so you'll have to ask me. I'm gonna say probably not, but- You see a picture of Nate and Dexter on the couch sipping tequila. Jeez. You know, it wouldn't be unheard of. No, I just- Yeah ... we would never do that. But no yeah, I'm a big, big animal lover. Mm-hmm. I like to say I grew up a mermaid, you know, so dolphins tend to appear when I'm around, and whales. Mm-hmm. So I have not been to the beach yet, but once I walk down there I'm sure that will happen. Again, I think the traveling piece for me is so important because I, everywhere I go I wanna learn something- Yeah ... and take something with me and leave something. And sometimes it's just the magical energy that happens. Mm-hmm. You know? Right at... So on Friday when I leave here I'm flying to Vegas, and I'll be there for a few days. And- Delaware to Vegas. Sussex County, Delaware to Vegas. Mm-hmm. That's a big change. Yes, it is. And funny enough- Perfect ... some of the people I'm gonna see are people that I met here. Mm-hmm, that you met here. That I met here, became very good friends with- ... and now they're living in Vegas, you know? So it's, again, all back to those Delaware roots. And but yeah, I think because I'm speaking, that's why- Mm-hmm ... I'm actually going out there. That's great. And, and I just, I love meeting the people and just being in the space that I'm in. Yeah. So, you know. One of the wonderful lessons I think I've learned from being your friend and working with you is that evolving is, it should be easier than we allow it to be within ourselves. Mm-hmm. Like, you evolve gracefully, at least to the ... at least to the outside person. I'm so glad I have you four. You just keep- That is fantastic. But she just keeps doing something different and, and you know, some of... I think a lot of people get stuck because they're like, "Well, this is what I'm supposed to do. This is where I've been working for X number of years, and I'm supposed to be promoted and I'm supposed to do this." And I think you've allowed your life to evolve, and you're my, I always call you my gypsy friend 'cause you're just like, "Oh, where am I going? Well, she's going to Nashville. Okay." Why? I don't know. But I think it's really cool to have, I don't know, free spirit is the right... But you do. You like, you, you allow life to happen and you create the life that you dream of, which is really cool. It's really fun to watch. I appreciate that, and I'll take gypsy. That's, I, I actually laughed because there was somebody in college that she nicknamed me gypsy. Yeah. And I haven't heard that in a long time. And, and it is interesting because I also see myself so in this professional lens. Mm-hmm. My life is built on what brings joy and happiness. Yeah. And it took a long time to get there. Yeah. A really long time be- and whether it was fear that holds us back- Mm-hmm or, or the whatever it might be. It's usually fear-based somewhere along the line. And once you can strip out of that- Yeah ... and you're like, "Okay, what really is gonna bring me joy?" Because when you're living in joy, guess what happens? Everybody else around you does. Yeah. And that ripple effect that happens is so important. It's one of the reasons, like, I... You and I started working together 10, 11- Just a couple years ago. ... years ago. But also ending up working with your team one-on-one, it makes such a big difference. Mm-hmm. And that's one of the things that I love, and I do that for, you know- I hate to tell you, but other clients are- No. We're deleting. Oh my gosh, are you? But, but I love being able to do that holistically, and to me, it's so important to talk to the leader and then talk to leadership individually, but give them a safe space- Mm-hmm ... to be themselves, and then to be able to show up authentically. If you've ever seen the show Billions, I like to say that I'm Wendy on Billions. No, I've never seen it. So, well, now you have to watch it. I know, I have to watch it. But essentially- Find you ... like she's... Well, you would know right away- Yeah ... because she's the person that is essentially there- Mm-hmm ... and her office is there, and she's a therapist. But people come in and talk about all the things. Mm-hmm. And then she helps guide them to their value, their light, their, the work that they wanna do. And I- That is you ... that's what I enjoy doing. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much, Lisa, for finally being on our podcast. I know. I was supposed to be the first guest. She should have been number one. She's actually kind of one of the thought processes behind the podcast, besides Lou just buying all the equipment- ... and plopping it down in my office. Lou's, Lou's not even saying anything. He's not even grinning. But anyway, thank you so much for being here. It's so great to see you in person- I know instead of over Zoom. And we love working with you, and I hope everybody found this really helpful. You gotta find Lisa Condon online. You've gotta listen to her talks. You've gotta watch her gratitude and- Sign up for her newsletter. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. It's always a good one. Well, thank you. Tell us how to do this, Lisa. Promote. Sure. Yes. See, and again, I'm like, "Oh, right, promote myself." Yes. I try to, try... It's very, very easy to find me. LisaCondon.com is my website. That's it. Make it super easy for people. And, and the thing is, I love talking to people, so anybody that ever reaches out to me, my email's Lisa@LisaCondon.com. You will get a response. It is me that responds. It's not ChatGPT. No, it's not chat. It's a bot. It's not my virtual assistant. It's not anything like that. You know, I, I really wanna interact. So that's where you can find me. It's where you can sign up- Yeah ... for my newsletter and all the things. But, Awesome thank you for having me. Absolutely. I love being here, and I just always love being with your team and seeing you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Great to see you, Lisa, and thank you all for listening. We will be back with another podcast soon.